Holy Mass, Liturgy, Eucharist, Holy Communion, Transubstantiation, Body and Blood of Christ

[retiredssss]

How sweet it was to see my dear Fr "Jozo" Margola. It is hard to belief he's been gone for eight years (6/23/11-9/14/03). May he rest in peace.

[iconoclast911]

Yawn......Get to the point already. God isn't a wafer, The wafer does not change into flesh, and all this pretending isn't what Christ taught. He used metaphors, and Catholics need to grow up. and get real. Do not place your faith in a wafer to save you. This is idolatry, and it will deceive you into thinking that you have Christ inside of you, when all you have done is eaten a wafer that is a fraud and a lie. Sorry, but

I feel compelled by the Spirit to stand against this doctrine.

[bklynbroker]

@iconoclast911 you are wrong and it is not a holy spirit that is compelling you to write what you wrote. Read John 6: 51-70. Will you be like Peter and the Twelve and follow Christ or be like those who claimed "This is a hard saying, who can hear it?" and go away?

[aburke673]

@iconoclast911 the ancient churches always believed as we believe. leave us alone spirit of anti christ who dissolveth Christ.

[iconoclast911]

@aburke673 "dissolveth Christ?" You are the one's who turned him into a wafer. Did you have to dissolve him first?

[aburke673]

@iconoclast91 anywho divide the 2 natures of Christ in the incarnation, is anti christ. Blessed Theotokos is God bearer ever virgin. she bore the entire undivided Christ, both con substantial divinity perfect God and perfect man in her perfect womb undefiled with original sin. According to the torah the soul is in the blood. When we effect the body and blood of Christ we automatically effect his consubstantial divinity because his 2 natures can not be divided and the soul is in the blood.

[iconoclast911]

@aburke673 What a bunch of pseudo religious clap trap. Mary had other children for 1 thing, so she isn't an ever virgin. The life is in the blood not the soul. Christ was God's son, and he was not as great or equal to His Father, according to Him. Grow up and get real my friend, The wafer does not change into human flesh, never has and never will. It is simply a fact, and if God performed a miracle of changing it, it would have actually changed, not remained exactly the same

[aburke673]

@iconoclast911 stop your lies. Coptic Syriac churches the oldest in the church all state Mary is mother of God/God bearer and perpetual virgin. You are a simpleton and liar who cant get around the oldest liturgies from Egypt and Syria upon which the Byzantine liturgies are all based.. the blood is the soul in the torah moron. get biblical and believe the historical liturgies from Egypt copts.

[iconoclast911]

Do you really believe that Joseph, who was informed by an angel that Mary had become pregnant

by God, during his courtship period w Mary, and to still marry her, intended to never have sex with his new bride? forever? I doubt if he would have gone ahead and married her if that was to be the case. The angel never commanded anything like that, and Mary never said anything like that, so why would you imagine such an unlikely far fetched notion to be accurate? Some non-biblical "tradition"?

[aburke673]

@iconoclast911 the entire catholic and orthodx world call Mary blessed Theotokus God bearer ever virgin. the oldest sacred apostolic liturgies in the church the syriac liturgies from Egypt that became the byzantine rite liturgies call her God bearer ever virgin Immaculate conception, mediatrix. you are unbiblical and slandering my blessed mother God bearer.

[iconoclast911]

You ever heard of the Lord's brother, James? He was the first Pastor of the church at Jerusalem. The churches that formed during the ministry of Christ, 30AD to 33AD and the ones formed by Peter and by Paul 33AD to 65AD

would have preceded the Coptic church by a couple hundred years. Im not lying about anything, and you might want to reconsider who sounds like the simpleton here. Think! Read plain English, and believe scripture over

all else. Mary wasn't to be worshipped by anyone.

[aburke673]

@iconoclast911 Yes. His cousin heretic. hahaha the coptic liturgies are prior to 54 a.d.

[iconoclast911]

@aburke673 The scripture says that James was the brother of Jesus. You, on the other hand, say "cousin" this is a totally made up lie. what's with ha ha? you think this is a joke? do you think you made some point? all you did here was tell a complete fabrication unsubstantuated anywhere. How about answering me about Joseph? can't do it can you, because you know you'd sound like an idiot to try? What about your perverted priesthood of traveling pedophiles? Why is this rampant? It's Satanism

[aburke673]

@iconoclast911 Please quote scriptures from the Clementine Sixtus vulate re affirmed at the Council of Trent. I do not recognize your heretical false knock offs. The apostolic liturgies are the divine WORD OF GOD as well as written apostolic tradition. In the earliest liturgies of St James and St Mark, Mary is called blessed mediatrix ever virgin. the scriptures 1 luke 28 state full of grace. we are to interpret 1 luke 28 using 3 Genesis 15 Pope Pius IX.

[aburke673]

The orthodox state the original apostolic liturgies of St James and Saint Mark the apostles were written down by 54 a.d. the original apostolic liturgies of these 2 apostles written down by 54 a.d. are the Antioch/Syrian rites and the Alexandrian Egyptian rites. The coptic rites include both Sriac and Alexandrian rites. these are the original liturgical prayers of the church. this represents their common beliefs/the law of prayer is the law of belief. they all believed ever virgin

[aburke673]

@iconoclast911 The earliest 4 doctors of the church by common acclamation; Saint Athanasius, St Nazienzen who lived with St Basil the great, St Basil the great, St John Chrysostom all said in their original writings even before the Council of Ephesus; blessed Theotokus/God bearer, ever virgin undefiled.  St Basil, St Chrysostom, St Nazienzen said Mary is higher than the angels and saint Nazienzen said Immaculate conception mediatrix in the mid 300 a.d. You are just wrong

[aburke673]

@iconoclast911 the scriptures state Mary carried the entire Christ, the scriptures state 1 luke 42 Mary carried the holy ghost vieled in her womb that made St John Baptist jump in Saint Elizabeths womb. the orthodox interpret this scripture exactly as we interpret it. May carried the entire Christ in her womb. In the biblical magnificat it states all generations shall call me blessed. Only Abraham the patriarch could say anything near this statement. Mary is higher than Abraham and Moses

[aburke673]

Genesis 12 the scriptures state all who bless Abraham will be blessed and all who curse Abraham will be cursed and Abraham will bring blessings to all families on earth. Same applies to Mary. Moses received the divine word in stone, Mary received the divine word INCARNATE INTO HER IMMACULATE VIRGINAL WOMB UNTOUCHED BY MAN. THE WHOLE CONSUBSTANTIAL CHRIST INCARNATED INTO HER WOMB BY THE GRACE OF THE HOLY GHOST. Mary is immaculate conception because of the infinite merits of Christ.

[aburke673]

@iconoclast911 you dont have any scriptures except what you bastardized from us. St Jerome says full of grace. you heretics change the translation to favor. Blessed theotokus is higher than the patriarchs ABraham and Moses and higher than the angels. the entire catholic and orthodox world consider her merits just under those of the most blessed trintiy. Both orthodox and catholics say 1 luke 42 proves the holy ghost was veiled in her blessed womb. you are a gnostic,

[aburke673]

@iconoclast911 Mary had no other children liar. It isnt pseudo religous clap trap. It is biblical and in the oldest sacred liturgies in existance. The soul is in the blood. the collective guilt of the people is in the blood requiring physical blood atonement of a real savior. when the priest effects the body and blood of Christ he automatically effects soul and divinity.

[aburke673]

@iconoclast911 the hail Mary is 100% biblical. liars like you make me laugh. dont ever say lies about my blessed Theotokus ever perpetual virgin God bearer through whom Christ received his church biblical Israel the catholic church.

[aburke673]

@iconoclast911 you are a gnostic calvinist rose crusian black nobility Vemetian arian heretic.