Webber has spent his career pointing fingers rather than trying better himself. He just took what was mainly a racing incident, tried to spin it, and thus managed to put himself under a looming gardening leave. All by throwing the "tough" Aussie tantrum, AGAIN. What a slippery yet incompetent moron.
Keep bringing out the Germanophobic conspiracy theories, they're all worth the laugh..
Those people who blames vettel really dont understand the situation. Vettel needed to pass webber because the mclarens r pressuring him. Hamilton has a chance to overtake vettel since he is running slower than he can really do in the back of webber. Mclarens, being faster than the redbulls may pass webber easier since he has his engine turned down because of fuel issues. Vettel has more fuel and is faster than webber so he is guaranteed to give more points to red bull.
@lancerboif1 I think you are missing the bigger picture. Webber was successful in holding off Hamilton for the first third of the race. Webber received orders to enter fuel saving mode. Vettel didn't receive the same orders. Hamilton was 1.3 seconds behind Webber. There should have been no issue in Vettel being able to hold Hamilton off. The point is that somewhere within Red Bull there were orders for Vettel to gain position. Webber stood his ground. Just as anyone with his experience would.
How is that Webber's fault? Vettel turned right TOO EARLY and hit his team mate. The arrogant little prick has the nerve to gesture as if Webber is the crazy one. What a pampered little prick! Shows his pathetic mentality in all it's glory. Shameful display of childishness right in public. No class what so ever, unlike Webber who handled himselve very well at the post race interview. Vettel you are a fucking disgrace, leave the F1 racing to adults, go race a fucking push bike you fucking hack.
@intelrudic2000@intelrudic2000 HAHAHAHAHA you actually think Webber "handled himself well" in the post race? He began gossiping like a school-girl with Lewis identity-crisis Hamilton, and then tried to feign that same old "team player act" that belies his stick up the a55, jealous jock body language. His voice was breaking under the lie; anyone who didn't feel their skin crawl when listening to his latest divide & conquer flop must love being treated like a doormat by such people.
Vettel volt előnyösebb helyzetben, így neki kellett volna elsőként befordulni a kanyarba. "Legalább két méterrel előrébb volt, és egy bal kanyar következett, ezért rá kellett húzódnia a megfelelő ívre. Nem fékezhet a pálya piszkos oldalán, mert pontosan tudja, mi történik abban az esetben
@MartonBabinec hááát... én azt mondanám hogy vettelnek a hibája volt... mert neki ment webbernek.. de webbernek is egy kicsit arrébb kellet volna mennie hogy elférjen vettel.. mind ketten nagyon aggreszivan mantek és ezt nem volna szabad csapaton belül..
@MartonBabinec az is igaz.. nem kell hogy legg jobb barátok legyenek.. de még is egy csapatban inkább kellene tekintettel lenni a másikra mint ha valaki más ellen versenyeznek.. a két mclaren is tudott úgy versenyezni egymásellen hogy nem történik semmise.. mind a kettö balfasz és hibás;-)
On Vettels onboard, looks like Vettel sort of makes a quick, fake move to the right before trying to go thru on the left. Possible that Webber saw him move right in the mirrors, and let himself go left to give Vettel space?
Sebastian has dived left to go around Mark and basically run out of room. Mark now has a car on his left, when he was expecting it the right?? Its probably hard to bail out of each of their maneurvres at 170mph!! To me it looks like Webbers car was aimed left(to let Vettel thru on right), and gives the impression that Vettel turned into him, when he was probably going a lot strighter than ppl are giving Sebastian credit for...
The fact is that Vettel was slghtly ahead of Webber and with the inside line into the next corner. By that stage they should both have moved right to get as close to the optimum racing line as possible otherwise Hamilton could have passed one or both of them on the exit of the next corner. Vettel started to move right thinking Webber would be doing the same which he sholuld have been. Webber 70% to blame in my opinion.
Webber tried to pinch him off, Vettel pushed back and Webber didn't give an inch (not that he should have to) but it's not a good way for BOTH drivers to treat their team.
after 15 years I can finally say, FORMULA 1 IS BACK.
best season i've ever seen.
anyway, Vettel move too much on the right, crazy move. But also Webber was moving a bit on the left, and he has already been passed from vettel at this point.
Since i would like more pilots to dare such an overtake, instead of just waitin the end of the race, Vettel move has all mine comprehension.
All the experts say it's definitely Vettel's fault. Brundle going as far as saying 100% Vettel's fault. Yet so many people think it's Webber's fault. That's the idioticy of the internet for you.
@OriginalDaVe The "idiocy" was that go-nowhere Brundle made that call without anything other than the same live TV feed every other lemming had. The actual experts, those with team management experience and/or the telemetry say that it was not Vettel's fault.
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To be fair i think it was Mark's fault as Vettel had the clear advantage with the slipstream and Mark was moving a lot towards over to Vettel but Vettel just moved over to early i suppose, but i still think its Mark's fault...
@carlbikeman14 that is the dumbest comment ever ! webber left enough room for vettel ! its clear as day ! what you dont seem to understand is that vettel didnt need to start turning right for another 50m ! YOU FOOL DONT COMMENT ON THINGS YOU CLEARLY HAVE NO UNDERSTANDING OF ! vettel sucks!
@m60yaface Wtf man, we all have different views about - your the fucking dumb on for commenting back shit on it, just accept we have different view, plus Vettel had hardly any more road to carry on straight, he had to turn at some point coz of the stupid Webber keep pushing him off the road - so u dont comment back when you clearly dont have a clue you FOOL!
@carlbikeman14 I tjink you're half right...... Yes, Weber could have given more room..... Yes Vettel had 50m of track to hold the position into the braking area. My only argument is, there is 20m of room on the other side of the track, whats wrong with filling his mirrors on the outside of the turn and hounding him in to the final turns..... poor decision making on both parts
@legosanchez827 Why should Webber move over to the right n let Vettel pass him easily when Vettel could have gotten the lead further down the track. Clearly Vettel wasn't confident. If the mclarens can have a go at each other, why can't red bull? And finally you're supposed to check ur mirrors before you change lanes.
@relevation You're right, Why should Webber move over..... And I said it before that he could have hounded him into a mistake and pass later. And yes, you should check your mirrors, but lets be honest, we all know haw effective they are. Have you ever sat in any car with a helmet on and tried checking the mirrors??? not easy. And lets not forget one very important fact...... it's race 7 OF NINETEEN!!!!
And team mates extend further then the blokes behind the wheel, the engineers who have every camera angle and read out at there disposal should have managed that situation very differently.
If anything the external shots look more damning for Vettel than the onboard cameras. Watch the 'live' shot of them crashing and Vettel's car swoops massively to the right, swiping Webber's front off. These cars are twitchy in a straight line because they're going at some 170mph, but that has to be Vettel's fault, the McLarens pushed each other just as hard and came out with a 1-2, says enough about this 'Wunderkind'.
vettel feinted a maneuver to the right. webber went right to block it and to get on the good track but when webber saw vetter on the left. u can see how the white line on the left comes closer to webber. webber went from left to right and then again slightly left. only one changeover is allowed. horner is also on vettels side. both have to take the blame but webber most of it because vettel was in front and he should have given him more space like horner said.
Hekmut Marko said (work in the red bull team, and ex-F1 driver): "He [Vettel] was already ahead, at least two metres ahead, and there was a corner to the left side coming, so he had to go for the line," he said. "He cannot brake on the dirt because for sure he knows what happens." bye all. Vettel is better driver. You will see in the season.
@korosp Youre quoting one of very few people who agree with your point of view. The vast majority of people online and offline agree that this was Vettel's fault.
a) there was plenty of room for Seb to pass
b) Seb didnt have to veer to the right. Even though it was the 'better' line, we saw how the McLarens were able to do the same thing by sticking to the left.
kok123. Webber didnt give enough space to Vettel. We had seen lot of situation, when Webber forced other pilots to the wall or to to the grass. Webber cant agree if its on the track a faster car!
That is Webbers fault. Vettel was the faster and he was on the better line. Webber forced him (Vettel was on white line) on the left side but have enough place to take Webber. Before a left corner u go the right side. Webber don't do it and then was only second place. He must give enough space to the leader.
vettel does this all the time....2008 Kubica was gonna overtake him for the win IN MELBOURNE and vettel turns into and they both crash...VETTel u are a wanka
100% Vettel's fault. Webber being successful this year didn't even figure in Horner or Vettel's calculations. Mark's got Seb running scared. And Mark got 15 points to Seb's 0.
The only reason anybody at all is saying that Webber has one iota of blame in this incident is because he also drives a Red Bull. As a racing accident though it is 100% Vettels fault. Watch the crash again and imagine Webber is driving a yellow Renault and it is impossible to blame Webber at all.
Vettel had all the room in the world!!! it was a left hand turn coming up and yet Vettel decides to turn right and straight into Webber. He ruined his chances and his teamates chances...Vettel you wanker
I wonder about Vettel "moving" right, I cannot see that in the in car footage. I see his CAR move right, sure. I wonder, would there be a vacuum that his car may have got sucked into? The vortexes around a hi speed F1 car would be really weird compared with a road car that we are used to. Webber deserved the space he is entitled to, Vettels CAR hit Webbers car.
Why are you discussing this? It's clear vettel moved over to the right and hit mark. Vettel himself actually said in an interview that and I quote "Lost the car"
So Webber was in fuel saving mode. Perhaps there was a team order for both him and Vettel to enter fuel saving, and to Mark's surprise suddenly Vettel was inside his gearbox.
@Falcs2010 You have 99% of the world in disagreement with you. Webber held his line all the way through that corner and straight. Vettel elected to try that gap and fit, then turned right into Webber. Yes there was gunna be an accident...if Vettel decided to turn into the driver next to him!!
@ghmobile Use the footage to assess this. Although Vettel's move to the right after he was squeezed held more visible velocity, Webber's SECOND (albeit slight) push to the left completed the collision.
Clearly a racing incident, Webber f*cked up situationally and by the letter of the law.
@lancerboif1 Webber was already in a good enough line for Vettel to go through without contact and if you watch the replay you can see that Vettel braked early and turned into Webber. Webber could have moved but there was no need as both had enough space to work with.
@Taorero Didn't u guys saw what happened to Vettels left rear????? It clearly went into the grass, if he stayed there long he could have spinned or he'll brake and the mclarens would catch up easy.
Those people who think its vettels fault well you guys r all idiots. First, they asked to turn webber's engine down because hes running low on fuel not for vettel to pass. Second, webber should had given vettel space because vettel is obviously faster and needs to pass him to avoid being overtaken by hamilton since webber is slower and seb is faster, also to avoid collision.
@lancerboif1 What are you talking about...Vettel had space! Did he not fit into that gap that he put himself to? The video shows Vettel driving into Webber, not the other way around.
@cabgt Didn't u saw what happened to Vettels left rear????? It clearly went into the grass, if he stayed there long he could have spinned or he'll brake and the mclarens would catch up easy.
I think this is fairly clear cut. Watch the replay. Mark holding the position and then Seb pulls right making contact. Not sure where the debate is here. Irrespective of whether he has the pace or not- he isn't obliged to yield his position.
They call Vettel the new Schumi. Well he certainly has Schumacher's arrogance, but not his driving skill. He will also learn that one thing you don't do is cross an Ausi in sport. At the moment Vettel touched Webber's car his hopes of winning in the Red Bull colours are over. Webber's restrained response in his post race interview hide what he has in store for the arrogant little German. It was also good to see that, that other arrogant egoist Alonso was hardly seen in the race.
@ludvan64 Restrained response? HAHAHAHA the guy acted like a little f*cking schoolgirl after the race, gossiping with hype-Hamilton about how it was Vettel's mistake. His voice broke in that "restrained response", all the while projecting the same stick-up-the-ass, jealous jock body language. Given enough rope, this man consitently hangs himself in interviews. A liar, a baby, and not at all convincing in trying to project himself as the team player.
Agreed wutwudino! Vettel ruined shit for RBR! Why risk it for the team when they had positions sorted... If at all, wait for a better opportunity. Fuckin young guns thinking they all that!
im australian and of course love Webber but Vettel did have a good run on Mark up the inside but when Vettel turned right i think he thought he was about 2 car lengths in front already as though Webber had yelded the position, but what sort of dickhead would think the race leader would give in that easily? Mark didnt even try blocking or defending so why was Vettel mocking Mark after the crash as though Mark was retarded or something? Is it because Vettels a little 22yr old fuckwit cowboy?
To me it looks like Vettel lost grip momentarily on his left rear tire because you can see the dust fly up in the air from the dirty side of the track. Maybe Vettel tried to brake and switch back behind Webber.
All Vettels fault. Webber holds his line while Vettel doesn't allow himself room to brake & take a reasonable turning line. Lewis Hamilton came out & said Vettel turned in to him the same way in the same race also. Seems if Vettel can't beat them he'll just take them out. Nice team mate.
what i found interesting is that there is an agreement between the drivers that whoever is leading the race pits first, but they pitted vettel first. If it wasn't for that + hamiltons bad stop he should have been in 3rd still and not in a position to make this move.
I think it's amazing how two people can see a single piece of footage and come away with two different decisions on who is at fault. If you are a die hard fan without a shred of common sense then I am glad you are not part of the FIA governing body as that would be truly scary. Anyone with a shred of common sense and understanding of FIA rules will be able to clearly come away from this thinking that Vettel is the cause of this accident. Please people leave your bias at the door!!
@charlessloane I agree with you it looks like it is Vettels fault, but I wouldn't make a judgement on that withuot seeing onboard footage from Vettels car. Because that would show wether it was an intentional move to the right by Vettel or wether a bump in the road threw him off slightly. My gut feeling is Vettel wanted to scare Webber out of the corner and it didn't work. I say this because he did the same thing to Hamilton earlier in the race.
3:01 - 3:03. Vettel moves to his right (see the distance to the left side of the track), Webber is going straight. People who cannot see that this is 100% Vettel's fault are brain dead. Seriously, I like Vettel's driving style a lot, and I think he's a very good driver, but this is totally on him.
@odracirseraoseia1999 It really isn't as clear cut as you claim. I think it was quite 50/50. Your right that Vettel did cause the collision. But Webber could and should have given him more room. The pass from Vettel was inevitable. He didn't have the pace to hold of Vettel or Hamilton for the rest of the race. I think Christian Horner is the one who has to answer questions. Until the matter over engine management issue is cleared up everyone will suspect the worst. Vettel isn't the enemy here.
@han06040721 Webber had no reason whatsoever to let him pass. He's not there to be his nanny. Even if Vettel was being faster, he should have made the overtake in clean conditions. All the other drivers have to wait until conditions are good for a clean overtake; why shouldn't Vettel? He's not the special one, and the problem here is that he thinks he is...
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100% Webber's fault. Webber gave him enough room initially, but then he squeezed Vettel against the edge of the track. If you watch Vettel's steering wheel between 3:17 and 3:20 he never once turns it to the right, because he is fighting to keep control of the car and that can be proven between 3:00 and 3:03 when Vettel is struggling for grip which is caused by Webber not giving Vettel enough room and Vettel being on the dirty side of the track.
Vettel seems a little jealous to me, from Mark's win in both Spanish Grand Prix and in Monaco, even though they have the same car, Webber seems to be a better driver, so Vettel caused a childish accident today which not only cost him the race but even shortened Webber's lead on the championship table.
@dburford9 i kind of agree with you, i think red bull wanted vettel to win this race but for webber to still get a podium so he still leads the table but vettel is second.
For all of you that think vettel is at fault, ( Think again) However its the top brass calling the shots. We dont always get to hear what is said over the radio, though i was using my red button, why did he get a pat on the back from every guy on the pit wall afterwards, thats because vettel felt he could pass webber and was given the go ahead. Then if you watched then rerun, eddie jordan commented that newy changed his oppinion on what he said prior after the race at who was at fault
This is Vettel's fault, Webber is a very fiery character, but Vettel is still young and immature. Vettel needs to learn that he has a lot more time than Webber to win a championship and Webber was out in front so don't overtake unless it is obvious you can do it without infighting!!
it was wrong for vettel to move to the right that early, that was just abit of a thoughtless mistake, but webber could easilly see him and he should have moved over, i mean any other driver ye. but vettel is his fucking team mate who was clearly faster than him anyway.
@angelonwings no, actually. im saying that vettel made a mistake, but webber could have easilly stoped the hole thing from happening if he just moved abit. they were both at fault
well, for mark it would have been pretty clear that if he didnt move across, both of them would have suffered. but he still kept his groud. so 2 drivers in the same team of cancelled each other out.
and if mark did the business in quilifing, then surley he could overtake vettel back, but if he couldnt, thats not vettels problem.
Entirely Vettel's fault. He veered onto Webber's line when he obviously was nowhere near ahead enough (inches rather than car lenghths) to do so - and was behind again when contact was made. Webber was rightly just holding his line and wouldn't have expected such a stupid move from a supposed team-mate.
Vettel's fault. Webber held his line and Seb may have been marginally ahead but he veered right into Mark. Looking at the replay, it was Seb who moved into Mark's path.
Vettels Fault.... He may have been faster but he pushed his way through on the left, Webber gave him room but was keeping his line as he didn't want to lose speed. As Martin said vettel moved right too early!!!
@Thefoofighter99 How can you blame Webber on that?? So what Vettel was a bit quicker Vettel moved towards the right into Webber...Webber didnt have to move and as Martin said Webber was holding his line.....Vettel didnt care about the team it was all about him. And red bull are the same....the management pointing fingers at Webber too.
its obviously webbers fault ,when youre approaching a left turn you go all the way to the right to take that corner and in the middle of the straight hes going left rather than right . webber just didnt wanna be 2nd selfish!!!
@daniguetta@Thefoofighter99 How can you blame Webber on that?? So what Vettel was a bit quicker Vettel moved towards the right into Webber...Webber didnt have to move and as Martin said Webber was holding his line.....Vettel didnt care about the team it was all about him. And red bull are the same....the management pointing fingers at Webber too.
webbers fault! vettel was inside and on the leade. webber should go right and after try to overtake vettel but he hold his pozition in the middle...its not fair. mostly from teammates. whatever anyway i hate both of them xD haha go McLaren!!!!!!!!!!
@Norexan20 How can you blame Webber on that?? So what Vettel was a bit quicker Vettel moved towards the right into Webber...Webber didnt have to move and as Martin said Webber was holding his line.....Vettel didnt care about the team it was all about him. And red bull are the same....the management pointing fingers at Webber too.
Gosh I'm pissy I love Mark and Sebastian but that was just idiotic. Think it was a ground wave but Mark yould have moved a little to the right. I think this was not good for team harmony!
i would say it's 50/50. vettel was overtaking but moved in too close to webber, when webber shoulda gave more room and the collision would have never happened
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lancerboif1 1 year ago
Webber has spent his career pointing fingers rather than trying better himself. He just took what was mainly a racing incident, tried to spin it, and thus managed to put himself under a looming gardening leave. All by throwing the "tough" Aussie tantrum, AGAIN. What a slippery yet incompetent moron.
Keep bringing out the Germanophobic conspiracy theories, they're all worth the laugh..
OSJaimez 1 year ago
@MrIrishlogic Thanks for the six word input, c*ntrag. Any other morons have an "opinion" derived from watching the offboard shots?
OSJaimez 1 year ago
Those people who blames vettel really dont understand the situation. Vettel needed to pass webber because the mclarens r pressuring him. Hamilton has a chance to overtake vettel since he is running slower than he can really do in the back of webber. Mclarens, being faster than the redbulls may pass webber easier since he has his engine turned down because of fuel issues. Vettel has more fuel and is faster than webber so he is guaranteed to give more points to red bull.
lancerboif1 1 year ago
@lancerboif1 I think you are missing the bigger picture. Webber was successful in holding off Hamilton for the first third of the race. Webber received orders to enter fuel saving mode. Vettel didn't receive the same orders. Hamilton was 1.3 seconds behind Webber. There should have been no issue in Vettel being able to hold Hamilton off. The point is that somewhere within Red Bull there were orders for Vettel to gain position. Webber stood his ground. Just as anyone with his experience would.
ghmobile 1 year ago
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lancerboif1 1 year ago
How is that Webber's fault? Vettel turned right TOO EARLY and hit his team mate. The arrogant little prick has the nerve to gesture as if Webber is the crazy one. What a pampered little prick! Shows his pathetic mentality in all it's glory. Shameful display of childishness right in public. No class what so ever, unlike Webber who handled himselve very well at the post race interview. Vettel you are a fucking disgrace, leave the F1 racing to adults, go race a fucking push bike you fucking hack.
intelrudic2000 1 year ago
@intelrudic2000 @intelrudic2000 HAHAHAHAHA you actually think Webber "handled himself well" in the post race? He began gossiping like a school-girl with Lewis identity-crisis Hamilton, and then tried to feign that same old "team player act" that belies his stick up the a55, jealous jock body language. His voice was breaking under the lie; anyone who didn't feel their skin crawl when listening to his latest divide & conquer flop must love being treated like a doormat by such people.
OSJaimez 1 year ago
Vettel volt előnyösebb helyzetben, így neki kellett volna elsőként befordulni a kanyarba. "Legalább két méterrel előrébb volt, és egy bal kanyar következett, ezért rá kellett húzódnia a megfelelő ívre. Nem fékezhet a pálya piszkos oldalán, mert pontosan tudja, mi történik abban az esetben
MartonBabinec 1 year ago
@MartonBabinec hááát... én azt mondanám hogy vettelnek a hibája volt... mert neki ment webbernek.. de webbernek is egy kicsit arrébb kellet volna mennie hogy elférjen vettel.. mind ketten nagyon aggreszivan mantek és ezt nem volna szabad csapaton belül..
richie90210 1 year ago
@richie90210 ok ok igazad van de szerintem egy csapaton belül is kell versenygésnek lennie. attol h csapattársak nem legjobb barátok...:D
MartonBabinec 1 year ago
@MartonBabinec az is igaz.. nem kell hogy legg jobb barátok legyenek.. de még is egy csapatban inkább kellene tekintettel lenni a másikra mint ha valaki más ellen versenyeznek.. a két mclaren is tudott úgy versenyezni egymásellen hogy nem történik semmise.. mind a kettö balfasz és hibás;-)
richie90210 1 year ago
what a silly mistake.. if not it would be a 1 ,2 for redbulls. sad to see this happen
purepker70 1 year ago
I seriously hope F1 gets a revamp and eliminate the need to conserve fuel. Its like a underground form
of team orders. As we've all heard, Webber was asked to conserve fuel and thats how Vettel managed to
pull along side of him. Fuel shouldn't be an issue when it comes to racing. And I seriously hope they
will change the order of starting position.
relevation 1 year ago
The grid should be divided into 2 with the fastest car
starting behind and the slowest car in front. For example, pole position car starts from position 10 and
so forth until 20. The next 10 cars will start in position 1 and so forth until position 9. The slower
half of the cars(1-10) will be one lap down but they will not be shown the blue flag. The faster cars
will have to overtake them with skill.
relevation 1 year ago
Vettel=stupid
PatrickForster 1 year ago
Was both of their faults, Webber should have given Vettel space comming up on the left as he is his TeamMate
Vettel did turn in too quickly however so he is to blame as well
ChrissCairns 1 year ago
vettels fault 100%
ps:iam german
nemoxardas 1 year ago
On Vettels onboard, looks like Vettel sort of makes a quick, fake move to the right before trying to go thru on the left. Possible that Webber saw him move right in the mirrors, and let himself go left to give Vettel space?
FalconBerlina84 1 year ago
Sebastian has dived left to go around Mark and basically run out of room. Mark now has a car on his left, when he was expecting it the right?? Its probably hard to bail out of each of their maneurvres at 170mph!! To me it looks like Webbers car was aimed left(to let Vettel thru on right), and gives the impression that Vettel turned into him, when he was probably going a lot strighter than ppl are giving Sebastian credit for...
FalconBerlina84 1 year ago
It was Vettel's fault. 100% sure.
rarib 1 year ago
If only Germans used there indicators all would be good!
dpres22 1 year ago
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The fact is that Vettel was slghtly ahead of Webber and with the inside line into the next corner. By that stage they should both have moved right to get as close to the optimum racing line as possible otherwise Hamilton could have passed one or both of them on the exit of the next corner. Vettel started to move right thinking Webber would be doing the same which he sholuld have been. Webber 70% to blame in my opinion.
MrEuge1 1 year ago
Was he signalling that Webber had gone crazy?
CRMHFC 1 year ago
CLEARLY vettel moving to the right!
k2010alexander 1 year ago
man of the year.. sebastian vettel..
rockapolla070 1 year ago
If Michael Schumacher was in Webber's car, he would have give Vettel the international sign language on his way back to the track.
relevation 1 year ago
Webber tried to pinch him off, Vettel pushed back and Webber didn't give an inch (not that he should have to) but it's not a good way for BOTH drivers to treat their team.
theslimeylimey 1 year ago
4:07
junkacc11 1 year ago
lol at horner telling mark to turn down his revs, yet didnt tell vettel - thats how vettel got so close
redbulls golden child - vettel
slixypher 1 year ago
I hope webber takes that little cunt out next race...
shimarlie1 1 year ago
Did he really think the championship leader was going to jump out of his way and wave him through? What a selfish little twatt.
vidmanx0 1 year ago
after 15 years I can finally say, FORMULA 1 IS BACK.
best season i've ever seen.
anyway, Vettel move too much on the right, crazy move. But also Webber was moving a bit on the left, and he has already been passed from vettel at this point.
Since i would like more pilots to dare such an overtake, instead of just waitin the end of the race, Vettel move has all mine comprehension.
Thank you for the show guys!
SerMarelli 1 year ago
Christian Horner is a fucking cunt along with his baby Vettel.
BraceZenith 1 year ago
@BraceZenith
Totally agree...in the video looks like Horner is say Mark...MOOVE....
Fuck you Horner...be a fucking man and be honest... I fucking hate Vettel...
shimarlie1 1 year ago
Vettel is the better driver. Webber was too slow, he should have moved over.
stekevdi 1 year ago
All the experts say it's definitely Vettel's fault. Brundle going as far as saying 100% Vettel's fault. Yet so many people think it's Webber's fault. That's the idioticy of the internet for you.
OriginalDaVe 1 year ago 5
@OriginalDaVe The "idiocy" was that go-nowhere Brundle made that call without anything other than the same live TV feed every other lemming had. The actual experts, those with team management experience and/or the telemetry say that it was not Vettel's fault.
OSJaimez 1 year ago
Stupid Kraut....and he blamed Webber........what a tool!!!!!
Aussiephil99 1 year ago 2
i think if the faster teammade overtake the other teammade then you can pass
Westbam5 1 year ago
vettel you are so stupid
mark come to ferrari plzzz.....
Pao13Salpi14 1 year ago
How can you knob jockeys not see that Vettel crashed into Webber??? Fuck it's not rocket science!!!
Keranofkri 1 year ago 2
Vettels a wanker
jrb014 1 year ago 2
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To be fair i think it was Mark's fault as Vettel had the clear advantage with the slipstream and Mark was moving a lot towards over to Vettel but Vettel just moved over to early i suppose, but i still think its Mark's fault...
carlbikeman14 1 year ago
@carlbikeman14 that is the dumbest comment ever ! webber left enough room for vettel ! its clear as day ! what you dont seem to understand is that vettel didnt need to start turning right for another 50m ! YOU FOOL DONT COMMENT ON THINGS YOU CLEARLY HAVE NO UNDERSTANDING OF ! vettel sucks!
m60yaface 1 year ago
@m60yaface Wtf man, we all have different views about - your the fucking dumb on for commenting back shit on it, just accept we have different view, plus Vettel had hardly any more road to carry on straight, he had to turn at some point coz of the stupid Webber keep pushing him off the road - so u dont comment back when you clearly dont have a clue you FOOL!
carlbikeman14 1 year ago
@carlbikeman14 I tjink you're half right...... Yes, Weber could have given more room..... Yes Vettel had 50m of track to hold the position into the braking area. My only argument is, there is 20m of room on the other side of the track, whats wrong with filling his mirrors on the outside of the turn and hounding him in to the final turns..... poor decision making on both parts
legosanchez827 1 year ago
@legosanchez827 Yes, i agree
carlbikeman14 1 year ago
@legosanchez827 Why should Webber move over to the right n let Vettel pass him easily when Vettel could have gotten the lead further down the track. Clearly Vettel wasn't confident. If the mclarens can have a go at each other, why can't red bull? And finally you're supposed to check ur mirrors before you change lanes.
relevation 1 year ago
@relevation You're right, Why should Webber move over..... And I said it before that he could have hounded him into a mistake and pass later. And yes, you should check your mirrors, but lets be honest, we all know haw effective they are. Have you ever sat in any car with a helmet on and tried checking the mirrors??? not easy. And lets not forget one very important fact...... it's race 7 OF NINETEEN!!!!
legosanchez827 1 year ago
And team mates extend further then the blokes behind the wheel, the engineers who have every camera angle and read out at there disposal should have managed that situation very differently.
legosanchez827 1 year ago
@legosanchez827 If you still think F1 is a team game, think again.
relevation 1 year ago
If anything the external shots look more damning for Vettel than the onboard cameras. Watch the 'live' shot of them crashing and Vettel's car swoops massively to the right, swiping Webber's front off. These cars are twitchy in a straight line because they're going at some 170mph, but that has to be Vettel's fault, the McLarens pushed each other just as hard and came out with a 1-2, says enough about this 'Wunderkind'.
Poddeh 1 year ago 3
Vettel still needs some growing up to do.
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OSJaimez 1 year ago
vettel feinted a maneuver to the right. webber went right to block it and to get on the good track but when webber saw vetter on the left. u can see how the white line on the left comes closer to webber. webber went from left to right and then again slightly left. only one changeover is allowed. horner is also on vettels side. both have to take the blame but webber most of it because vettel was in front and he should have given him more space like horner said.
hannessolo 1 year ago
Hekmut Marko said (work in the red bull team, and ex-F1 driver): "He [Vettel] was already ahead, at least two metres ahead, and there was a corner to the left side coming, so he had to go for the line," he said. "He cannot brake on the dirt because for sure he knows what happens." bye all. Vettel is better driver. You will see in the season.
korosp 1 year ago
@korosp Youre quoting one of very few people who agree with your point of view. The vast majority of people online and offline agree that this was Vettel's fault.
a) there was plenty of room for Seb to pass
b) Seb didnt have to veer to the right. Even though it was the 'better' line, we saw how the McLarens were able to do the same thing by sticking to the left.
Vtaggar 1 year ago
Jep Vettel's fault - he was on the good inside line and truned his car into Webber.
Stupid mistake!
kuefstein 1 year ago
This won't happen to Webber at Ferrari next year :D
DaveBrowses 1 year ago
kok123. Webber didnt give enough space to Vettel. We had seen lot of situation, when Webber forced other pilots to the wall or to to the grass. Webber cant agree if its on the track a faster car!
korosp 1 year ago
vettel turn into webber. Faking vettel. cost him the race.
kok123 1 year ago
hey jefdaharper.theres no forces.lol.so everytime a f1 car overtakes another like we always see.they seem to always crash like that.LOL.U DOUCHE
trawkaaa 1 year ago
no doubt Vettel's fault and I like the guy...what's up with Marko, Führerizin' the way he did...
sisafitz 1 year ago
That is Webbers fault. Vettel was the faster and he was on the better line. Webber forced him (Vettel was on white line) on the left side but have enough place to take Webber. Before a left corner u go the right side. Webber don't do it and then was only second place. He must give enough space to the leader.
korosp 1 year ago
vettel does this all the time....2008 Kubica was gonna overtake him for the win IN MELBOURNE and vettel turns into and they both crash...VETTel u are a wanka
trawkaaa 1 year ago
100% Vettel's fault. Webber being successful this year didn't even figure in Horner or Vettel's calculations. Mark's got Seb running scared. And Mark got 15 points to Seb's 0.
giantkingsquid 1 year ago
The only reason anybody at all is saying that Webber has one iota of blame in this incident is because he also drives a Red Bull. As a racing accident though it is 100% Vettels fault. Watch the crash again and imagine Webber is driving a yellow Renault and it is impossible to blame Webber at all.
pmanngw 1 year ago
@pmanngw Well said.
cabgt 1 year ago
Vettel had all the room in the world!!! it was a left hand turn coming up and yet Vettel decides to turn right and straight into Webber. He ruined his chances and his teamates chances...Vettel you wanker
thunderdownunder07 1 year ago
Vettel is a Douche!!
hell5torm 1 year ago
I wonder about Vettel "moving" right, I cannot see that in the in car footage. I see his CAR move right, sure. I wonder, would there be a vacuum that his car may have got sucked into? The vortexes around a hi speed F1 car would be really weird compared with a road car that we are used to. Webber deserved the space he is entitled to, Vettels CAR hit Webbers car.
jeffdaharper 1 year ago
Why are you discussing this? It's clear vettel moved over to the right and hit mark. Vettel himself actually said in an interview that and I quote "Lost the car"
coight 1 year ago
@dburford9 No mate, he was talking and then notices Mark go wide and Vettel making his move, so he changes subject mid sentance.
jeffdaharper 1 year ago
So Webber was in fuel saving mode. Perhaps there was a team order for both him and Vettel to enter fuel saving, and to Mark's surprise suddenly Vettel was inside his gearbox.
ghmobile 1 year ago
Webber needed to give Vettel some bloody room. Webbers fault and I'm Australian. Vettel was much quicker. Webber brought in upon himself.
Horner was saying MOVE MOVE, as in move over and give Vettel some room because there is gunna be an acident
Falcs2010 1 year ago
@Falcs2010
that's like changing lane into someone and hoping they'll move for you
Calculon1988 1 year ago
@Falcs2010 You have 99% of the world in disagreement with you. Webber held his line all the way through that corner and straight. Vettel elected to try that gap and fit, then turned right into Webber. Yes there was gunna be an accident...if Vettel decided to turn into the driver next to him!!
cabgt 1 year ago
@lancerboif1 There was contact because Vettel turned into Webber. How is this deniable?
ghmobile 1 year ago 14
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OSJaimez 1 year ago
@ghmobile Use the footage to assess this. Although Vettel's move to the right after he was squeezed held more visible velocity, Webber's SECOND (albeit slight) push to the left completed the collision.
Clearly a racing incident, Webber f*cked up situationally and by the letter of the law.
OSJaimez 1 year ago
@ taorero well obviously it wasnt enough because there was contact
lancerboif1 1 year ago
@ taorero: well it appears it wasnt enough and it was to close he could have move a little more
lancerboif1 1 year ago
i wish we could hear both radios for this.
MurkTownUSA 1 year ago
@ 2abbit: hey he could have to the side anyway to let vettel pass through
lancerboif1 1 year ago
@lancerboif1 Webber was already in a good enough line for Vettel to go through without contact and if you watch the replay you can see that Vettel braked early and turned into Webber. Webber could have moved but there was no need as both had enough space to work with.
Taorero 1 year ago
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@Taorero Didn't u guys saw what happened to Vettels left rear????? It clearly went into the grass, if he stayed there long he could have spinned or he'll brake and the mclarens would catch up easy.
lancerboif1 1 year ago
Those people who think its vettels fault well you guys r all idiots. First, they asked to turn webber's engine down because hes running low on fuel not for vettel to pass. Second, webber should had given vettel space because vettel is obviously faster and needs to pass him to avoid being overtaken by hamilton since webber is slower and seb is faster, also to avoid collision.
lancerboif1 1 year ago
@lancerboif1 What are you talking about...Vettel had space! Did he not fit into that gap that he put himself to? The video shows Vettel driving into Webber, not the other way around.
cabgt 1 year ago
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@cabgt Didn't u saw what happened to Vettels left rear????? It clearly went into the grass, if he stayed there long he could have spinned or he'll brake and the mclarens would catch up easy.
lancerboif1 1 year ago
Horner was saying MOVE MOVE just before it happend. They wanted Vettle to win this race thats why they turned Marks engine down. Redbull fuckers
FenderBender2 1 year ago
Vettel is a stupid fool.
CRISNCHIPS12398 1 year ago
Totally uncalled for
Vettel had a faster car, it was a matter of one more lap for a clean pass on a better point
Webber was only holding position
I hope to see Vettel out of RBR next year
2abbit 1 year ago
Vettel picked the wrong guy to play chicken with...
roytott 1 year ago 18
It's just racing.
Nihil2005 1 year ago
I think this is fairly clear cut. Watch the replay. Mark holding the position and then Seb pulls right making contact. Not sure where the debate is here. Irrespective of whether he has the pace or not- he isn't obliged to yield his position.
ghmobile 1 year ago
They call Vettel the new Schumi. Well he certainly has Schumacher's arrogance, but not his driving skill. He will also learn that one thing you don't do is cross an Ausi in sport. At the moment Vettel touched Webber's car his hopes of winning in the Red Bull colours are over. Webber's restrained response in his post race interview hide what he has in store for the arrogant little German. It was also good to see that, that other arrogant egoist Alonso was hardly seen in the race.
ludvan64 1 year ago
@ludvan64 Restrained response? HAHAHAHA the guy acted like a little f*cking schoolgirl after the race, gossiping with hype-Hamilton about how it was Vettel's mistake. His voice broke in that "restrained response", all the while projecting the same stick-up-the-ass, jealous jock body language. Given enough rope, this man consitently hangs himself in interviews. A liar, a baby, and not at all convincing in trying to project himself as the team player.
OSJaimez 1 year ago
@OSJaimez SHUT UP YOU LITTLE SNOT RAG !
m60yaface 1 year ago
Agreed wutwudino! Vettel ruined shit for RBR! Why risk it for the team when they had positions sorted... If at all, wait for a better opportunity. Fuckin young guns thinking they all that!
34phatgt 1 year ago
im australian and of course love Webber but Vettel did have a good run on Mark up the inside but when Vettel turned right i think he thought he was about 2 car lengths in front already as though Webber had yelded the position, but what sort of dickhead would think the race leader would give in that easily? Mark didnt even try blocking or defending so why was Vettel mocking Mark after the crash as though Mark was retarded or something? Is it because Vettels a little 22yr old fuckwit cowboy?
wutwudino 1 year ago
Anyone who thinks Webber is at fault is obviously blind
Calculon1988 1 year ago
To me it looks like Vettel lost grip momentarily on his left rear tire because you can see the dust fly up in the air from the dirty side of the track. Maybe Vettel tried to brake and switch back behind Webber.
ssssroryssss2 1 year ago
All Vettels fault. Webber holds his line while Vettel doesn't allow himself room to brake & take a reasonable turning line. Lewis Hamilton came out & said Vettel turned in to him the same way in the same race also. Seems if Vettel can't beat them he'll just take them out. Nice team mate.
b0redd 1 year ago
what i found interesting is that there is an agreement between the drivers that whoever is leading the race pits first, but they pitted vettel first. If it wasn't for that + hamiltons bad stop he should have been in 3rd still and not in a position to make this move.
LeJimster 1 year ago
I think it's amazing how two people can see a single piece of footage and come away with two different decisions on who is at fault. If you are a die hard fan without a shred of common sense then I am glad you are not part of the FIA governing body as that would be truly scary. Anyone with a shred of common sense and understanding of FIA rules will be able to clearly come away from this thinking that Vettel is the cause of this accident. Please people leave your bias at the door!!
charlessloane 1 year ago
@charlessloane I agree with you it looks like it is Vettels fault, but I wouldn't make a judgement on that withuot seeing onboard footage from Vettels car. Because that would show wether it was an intentional move to the right by Vettel or wether a bump in the road threw him off slightly. My gut feeling is Vettel wanted to scare Webber out of the corner and it didn't work. I say this because he did the same thing to Hamilton earlier in the race.
LeJimster 1 year ago
Webber held him tight and rightly so.. but Vettel turned into him.. end of story.
tubeMiLKO 1 year ago 3
3:01 - 3:03. Vettel moves to his right (see the distance to the left side of the track), Webber is going straight. People who cannot see that this is 100% Vettel's fault are brain dead. Seriously, I like Vettel's driving style a lot, and I think he's a very good driver, but this is totally on him.
odracirseraoseia1999 1 year ago 4
@odracirseraoseia1999 It really isn't as clear cut as you claim. I think it was quite 50/50. Your right that Vettel did cause the collision. But Webber could and should have given him more room. The pass from Vettel was inevitable. He didn't have the pace to hold of Vettel or Hamilton for the rest of the race. I think Christian Horner is the one who has to answer questions. Until the matter over engine management issue is cleared up everyone will suspect the worst. Vettel isn't the enemy here.
han06040721 1 year ago
@han06040721 Webber had no reason whatsoever to let him pass. He's not there to be his nanny. Even if Vettel was being faster, he should have made the overtake in clean conditions. All the other drivers have to wait until conditions are good for a clean overtake; why shouldn't Vettel? He's not the special one, and the problem here is that he thinks he is...
odracirseraoseia1999 1 year ago 3
You're a disgrace Vettel.
m8sbut 1 year ago
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100% Webber's fault. Webber gave him enough room initially, but then he squeezed Vettel against the edge of the track. If you watch Vettel's steering wheel between 3:17 and 3:20 he never once turns it to the right, because he is fighting to keep control of the car and that can be proven between 3:00 and 3:03 when Vettel is struggling for grip which is caused by Webber not giving Vettel enough room and Vettel being on the dirty side of the track.
spikeyshaw 1 year ago
@spikeyshaw you could drive a bloody truck through that! and IF there is no room, brake and have another go later!
jeffdaharper 1 year ago
thanks for video! crazy stuff, but it has looked like happening all season!
kk113151 1 year ago
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Vettel seems a little jealous to me, from Mark's win in both Spanish Grand Prix and in Monaco, even though they have the same car, Webber seems to be a better driver, so Vettel caused a childish accident today which not only cost him the race but even shortened Webber's lead on the championship table.
@dburford9 i kind of agree with you, i think red bull wanted vettel to win this race but for webber to still get a podium so he still leads the table but vettel is second.
DMeister20592 1 year ago
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DMeister20592 1 year ago
Two fingers to his pitt orders, good on ya Webber.
RiFFxxx 1 year ago
For all of you that think vettel is at fault, ( Think again) However its the top brass calling the shots. We dont always get to hear what is said over the radio, though i was using my red button, why did he get a pat on the back from every guy on the pit wall afterwards, thats because vettel felt he could pass webber and was given the go ahead. Then if you watched then rerun, eddie jordan commented that newy changed his oppinion on what he said prior after the race at who was at fault
MrInvisableMan 1 year ago
if u look @ 3.01 u can clearly see vettel turning into webber, selfish, selfish selfish
topgunthered 1 year ago 3
Wow, great video quality
kramari 1 year ago
thanks for uploading!
maybenz 1 year ago
This is Vettel's fault, Webber is a very fiery character, but Vettel is still young and immature. Vettel needs to learn that he has a lot more time than Webber to win a championship and Webber was out in front so don't overtake unless it is obvious you can do it without infighting!!
coreyandrewthomas 1 year ago
it was wrong for vettel to move to the right that early, that was just abit of a thoughtless mistake, but webber could easilly see him and he should have moved over, i mean any other driver ye. but vettel is his fucking team mate who was clearly faster than him anyway.
mikeXdeakin 1 year ago
@mikeXdeakin are u vettel's brother or something that u have to defend him against all common sense?
angelonwings 1 year ago
@angelonwings no, actually. im saying that vettel made a mistake, but webber could have easilly stoped the hole thing from happening if he just moved abit. they were both at fault
mikeXdeakin 1 year ago
@mikeXdeakin
if you're leading a grand prix, do you just let people go through?
darockk 1 year ago
@mikeXdeakin
i doesnt matter who was faster at that time, webber did the business in qualifying and deserved the track position.
heaps of people are faster than the other, does that mean you should let them through?
darockk 1 year ago 2
@darockk
well, for mark it would have been pretty clear that if he didnt move across, both of them would have suffered. but he still kept his groud. so 2 drivers in the same team of cancelled each other out.
and if mark did the business in quilifing, then surley he could overtake vettel back, but if he couldnt, thats not vettels problem.
mikeXdeakin 1 year ago
Entirely Vettel's fault. He veered onto Webber's line when he obviously was nowhere near ahead enough (inches rather than car lenghths) to do so - and was behind again when contact was made. Webber was rightly just holding his line and wouldn't have expected such a stupid move from a supposed team-mate.
Groyneyvision 1 year ago
Vettel's fault. Webber held his line and Seb may have been marginally ahead but he veered right into Mark. Looking at the replay, it was Seb who moved into Mark's path.
wawiebeastman 1 year ago
Vettels Fault.... He may have been faster but he pushed his way through on the left, Webber gave him room but was keeping his line as he didn't want to lose speed. As Martin said vettel moved right too early!!!
joshuaclinttalbot 1 year ago
webber fault!
vettel had a lot of more speed and was nearly past (?), but webber closed the door, because he wanted to hold his position! -.-
thats no teamwork, at all!
Thefoofighter99 1 year ago
@Thefoofighter99 How can you blame Webber on that?? So what Vettel was a bit quicker Vettel moved towards the right into Webber...Webber didnt have to move and as Martin said Webber was holding his line.....Vettel didnt care about the team it was all about him. And red bull are the same....the management pointing fingers at Webber too.
guiler82 1 year ago
its obviously webbers fault ,when youre approaching a left turn you go all the way to the right to take that corner and in the middle of the straight hes going left rather than right . webber just didnt wanna be 2nd selfish!!!
daniguetta 1 year ago
@daniguetta @Thefoofighter99 How can you blame Webber on that?? So what Vettel was a bit quicker Vettel moved towards the right into Webber...Webber didnt have to move and as Martin said Webber was holding his line.....Vettel didnt care about the team it was all about him. And red bull are the same....the management pointing fingers at Webber too.
guiler82 1 year ago
@daniguetta
haha you'd be a shit driver with that strategy. why does webber have to move over for?
he's in the lead so why does he have to give him more room. in fact he already gave vetell enough room to go down the inside.
darockk 1 year ago
webbers fault! vettel was inside and on the leade. webber should go right and after try to overtake vettel but he hold his pozition in the middle...its not fair. mostly from teammates. whatever anyway i hate both of them xD haha go McLaren!!!!!!!!!!
Norexan20 1 year ago
@Norexan20 How can you blame Webber on that?? So what Vettel was a bit quicker Vettel moved towards the right into Webber...Webber didnt have to move and as Martin said Webber was holding his line.....Vettel didnt care about the team it was all about him. And red bull are the same....the management pointing fingers at Webber too.
guiler82 1 year ago
wowo thanx for the quick upload
hi5tou 1 year ago
Gosh I'm pissy I love Mark and Sebastian but that was just idiotic. Think it was a ground wave but Mark yould have moved a little to the right. I think this was not good for team harmony!
J4K4L4 1 year ago
read .formula1.com/news/interviews/2010/5/10855.html
skudoh 1 year ago
just idiotic from RBR
just give double win for McLaren
stupid
Teratrick 1 year ago
i would say it's 50/50. vettel was overtaking but moved in too close to webber, when webber shoulda gave more room and the collision would have never happened
slippis 1 year ago
Martin Brundle - 100% Vettel's fault.
David Coulthard - 100% Vettel's fault.
Yet the Vettel fanboys still insist that it was somehow Webbers fault. Go figure.
kingcrumpet 1 year ago 3
@kingcrumpet
I'M 100% AGREE TOO.... (hehe!)
ChechoCRC 1 year ago