@Gauzl Why are they best? Because of thrust vectoring? The F-35 is way more cost effective for AA and AG. Also it can be deployed in any way due to it's three variants(Possibly two if the cancel the F-35C variant for the Navy). It is also stealth, just like them and is still very maneuverable comparing to the other aircraft in the world. Just because we have the F-22 and the Russians and etc have the SU-37 and Pak-Fa does not mean it is the only aircraft the F-35 will dogfight with.
@Gauzl We still use older aircraft like the F/A-18, A-10 and F-16 just like the Russians use older aircraft. Fun fact: Most of the Russian military is outdated compared to the US.
LOL, noobs dont know difference between the X-35B and F-35B. LOL, noobs comparing the F-22, an air dominance fighter, with the F-35, a light weight strike fighter. 2 fighters not even in the same class or role.
Yes, 300 million is a lot of money, but so is 350 million. do you just happen to have an extra 50 million bucks lying around, for your 'cheaper' f22? No, you dont.
@specialed18181 Compared to EVERY modern fighter? Yes. It is /incredibly/ slow, and useless in modern A2A combat. It's only 40mph faster than the B-52, for fuck's sake. It was a great airframe and still remains reliable for a VTOL platform, but its time has long passed.
@EricsTechTalk I don't think you've ever been as up close and personal with a Harrier as I have. I worked on them in the Marine Corps for 20 years so I know what they are built for and A2A is NOT one of them. It's a short range attack aircraft meant for rapid response and close air support. Please get you fact/roles purposes straight before you comment, please.
@specialed18181 Then why are you trying to compare it to the F-35, which is built for more than a ground attack role. You're the one who originally tried to compare apples to oranges, trying to imply that the Harrier is the "better" plane. I've just been playing devil's advocate. You just shot yourself in the foot there. And no, I have not worked with the harrier, but I am an air force mechanic, and I know a thing or two about aircraft. Don't think you can patronize me like that.
@EricsTechTalk I made no such comparison. You stated it was slow and I clarified. I made no such claim that the Harrier was better. You are the one comparing apples to oranges by stating the Harrier is a fighter, which it is clearly not, hence the "A" designation in AV-8B. The F-35 is primarily a fighter, hence the "F" designation. And being in the chair farce you have no credibility since you only know a thing or two about aircraft.
@specialed18181 Never mind, I take that back. It wasn't you who made the initial comment. I didn't realize that until now, and I thought you were the other guy, trying to argue that the harrier can even be compared to this thing. Wait, why are you even jumping in on this conversation? Oh, I am /SO/ sorry I insulted your beloved aircraft while making a point to someone in a conversation you had no fucking part in to begin with.
@EricsTechTalk Just replying to the comment that was directed at me. If you look it was directed @me so watch who you argue with and make sure you direct you uneducated comments to the correct person next time.
@specialed18181 I know, and sorry, your names both start with S. It was an easy mistake to make. And what I said was from a comparative point of view, because I thought I was debating the moron who WAS trying to compare two very different aircraft. And a chair force joke. How refreshingly fucking original, especially since your talking to someone who actually does work hard and resents all the pencil-pushing noner faggots that make us look bad.
@EricsTechTalk Unsurprising, however. It's the kind of cocky, myopic, chest-pounding douchebaggery you'd expect from an ex-marine who's been immersed in a culture that encourages looking down on the other branches. I don't like this retarded inter-service conflict crap, but I can play the game too.
@EricsTechTalk No worries and my apologies for the joke. Consider it a little friendly inter-service rivalry and it's done. BTW, it's retired or former Marine, not ex.
@salfemist This aircraft is vastly more capable than the Harrier. Near twice as fast, twice the range, far more advanced radars and avionics, and a wider range of weapons payload. :)
121137az1 Depends of the quality you ar paying..my friend...Don´t forget that all the best trademarks (look down in your shoes for example...made in China...If you got Nike, Adidas...all..) all are made in China....or in other places of Asia..is that right ?...So you if you buy 2 dollars shoes ..that is the quality...if you buy 200 dollars shoes..is another..
vatthausen...You are very profound...hahahahhah....You write like an neanderthal, one word..it´s representing for you one sentence. It seems to bother you a real fact (before criticizing someone read) I think that you are a person without culture who´s trying to offend others and by this way hiding the fact that has no cualificacion. Open a book...and read loud by syllables...if you know what this means. Then go again to school...because it seems that you learned nothing.. Hhahahaaah...
For those who belive that US is stronger than all...you must know something..China an Russia have an real military agreement, and have more resources than this big, fancy, illusion that USA is selling in his movies. Russia and China will form again the old alliance, and America will be in third place as military power...FOREVER. So ..those who think that China has an agreement with USA, so powerfull, think it again....China had and will have another vision about the democracy..
Also from this little argument you can take a vital statistic from us posters, that out of the three of you that had been arguing, I mean the three main guest, and see that its a 2 to 3 ratio that Americans truly don't know anything about their country, even history for that matter. Also the other two of you probably believe the twin towers plan had been executed by terrorist, ROFL boy do you guys need help....
Please don't be one of the herd, strive to be a wolf, not a sheep.
LOL Wow after reading all your guys meaningless bickering I had to step in and clear things up for you bigot minded fellows. FIRST and foremost MWILLIS1000 has been the only one making not only factual but intellectual statements that are in lamens terms, ON POINT! China does supply the US with the most good. It is simply because ONCE WE USE UP EVERYONE'S RESOURCES, WE WILL BE THE ONLY ONES TO HAVE ANY LEFT, WHICH IN TURN MEANS WE CAN CHARGE ANYTHING WE WANT FOR THEM! BECAUSE ONLY WE HAVE IT!
@Jones0192 I'm guessing your here to find out weather or not the f35 lighting ii can really hover, or just to learn about it... I really hope DICE adds the F 22 Raptor in battlefield 3, it's my favorite plane! o_O
@Roger5970 Thats not fact, the USAF is not the most advanced, its one of many air-foces in the world with advanced tech, the RAF has the Tornado GR4 and Typhoon FGR4 attack jets, there the most advanced of there kind, and Typhoon F2 fighters which are the most advanced typhoons, also ro recce missions we have the Tornado GR4A whitch is one of the best recce Multirole fighters in the world, the Russians have better aircraft than the US now.
@Elitepoosniff Two things: The Tornados that you mention are good, reliable aircraft. But they are not exactly the most advanced machines in service. Second, I presume you are talking about the Russian SU-30. It is inferior to the F-35 and F-22 in many ways, including, but not limited to, situational awareness and avionics. The only authority to hold that the Sukhoi was superior was APA--in a report that has been widely criticized for suspect methodologies.
@darkwingkevin Its not that Russia and China have these aircraft that are challenging the US air-force its that the Russians most of all are trying to have the biggest and most powerful air-force, and the most types of stealth fighters they make and fail on they will one day brake it and create the most powerful and most superior fighter out there, same with China,fuck knows what at area 51 right now, something that needs 5 plus miles to be able to land thats for sure.
@Elitepoosniff - Your point is well taken. Taking "Area 51" to be a metonymy for all secret US military projects, you are absolutely right. But, you need to remember something: in the US, we spent almost $700,000,000,000 on military expenditures in 2010 alone. It's an insane amount of money. That's 6 times what the Chinese spent, and 14 times what the Russians spent. That number makes me very confident that the US will be competitive with whatever technologies those nations develop.
Well I hope the US Navy and Marines are happy with it. As it is going to replace the harrier and hornet. The f-22 was proven unsuitable for a tail hook as it created stress cracks in the tail section. So now you have navy pilots flying over vast expanses of ocean in a single engined aircraft.After the f/a-18 is retired. Thier risk factor just went up 50%. I think the navy should reconsider building the yf-23 as it uses 45% of f/a-18 parts. A huge savings for the taxpayer.
@CaptJerico yes it makes a great target for the Sukhoi fighters. Which was proven at an international redflag exercise in 2008. The f-22 held it's own but the f/a-18 and f-35's were shot down quickly.
The US should build more aircraft like the f14, f15 and f16. they dominated the air , but now the f35 JSF should replace the f15 and the f16 ( even the a10 and f117) the US airforce will be dominated by russian and chinese aircraft.
@SamuelVanH Well I just dont like how other countries insult mine(not talking about you) when they are only acting on blind patriotism, when planes like the F35 and F22 are amazing but Russians(no offense I love russia) always thinks their Sukhoi planes are better when there is no sure way to tell...
BVR capabilities taken into account, the day I see a video of this plane pull a 9g turn inside an F16, I,ll be satisfied our government (Australian) did the right thing.
@Immad1337 haha the Brits and Canadians are both helping pay for the F35 and will both service with each respective Air Force and Navy. Do your research lol
@killak2115 sell?? we were one of the main nations who helped design/build ill also have you know that BAE system (which is military weapons/ship/tanks etc) british company are actually helping you manufacture these along with some of your subs bet you didn't know that dumb ass
some of you guys really need to learn how to read before you make stupid ass comment go check your dam facts
o p.s F-35s were tested by both american and British pilots biatch
@killak2115 haha the Brits and Canadians are both helping pay for the F35 and will both service with each respective Air Force and Navy. Do your research lol
@Immad1337 either you have an insanely low iq or you are an american because the "brits" are one of the main nations behind the project and development of the f-35 JOINT STRIKE FIGHTER. Now the word "Joint" is what many americans find hard to understand. All that i know is, if america went to war with their current air force, they would be outclassed by pretty much any other major nation. EG Eurofighter typhoon or the SU-35s of many other forces. Have a nice day Amerifriend
@tehtimster" America's air force outclassed by every other nation" LOL grats on the stupidest thing I've ever read. Your nations have like 50 Eurofighters.. Russia has 15 Su-35's.
Feel free to watch my video if you want the actual numbers but next to the USAF, the RAF looks pretty damn sad.
@b24lib1 HAHAHA yes...we can tell you're scared that's why you say we're on the same side. We don't need your tea drinking, biscuit side a-holes on our side, we're fine without you guys.
All I know is that we kicked your arrogant asses out and won in 1776, if you want more, you're always welcome to comeback and have a historical lesson made live again.
@OlderG0ds really? insulting the RAF?... the first air force in the world (independent from other forces) and also one of the most highly trained forces on this planet. This is what i'm talking about with the American "we are the greatest" mindset. Without the help of other nations, you are powerless. Enjoy living there. Anyway the point i was first trying to argue was that the f-35 was contributed to by more nations than the USA and that should be respected in conversation.
@nicoilschlager they had a huge airbattle back in 08'.. Su's and I think some chinese aircraft against US F18 F22 and I think the F35.. hundreds lost on US side.. the top people said the US aircraft is double inferior.. inferior in everything.. think of the US Airforce like a police car.. against an exotic european supercar.. on the highway.. lol
Not anymore, well Russia now has the best fighter and China will soon have an even better one. So in a few years anyway, the US will be kocked off the top spot.
@mwillis1000 ... let me tell you something please (1) they fighter is a prototype its to expensive (2) china already updated there air force last year they plan on doing it again in 2035 (3) we are making a newer fighter jet have you heard of our hyper sonic unmanned jet that goes at most 13000 mph we are going to make a manned one that can go that fast but it wont turn at that speed because you would die. hope that clears it up.
@mwillis1000 Re: Russia--the only testing that has produced that conclusion was APA's, and the methodologies in that study have since been heavily criticized. For the foreseeable future, the American 5'th gen craft have the most advanced avionics and situational awareness capabilities of any fighter in existence. In an air superiority battle, those craft have the ability to see and destroy enemy targets long before the targets will ever see them. Finally, the Chinese craft is all speculation.
@mwillis1000 I'm not basing my opinion off of a "video." And there is no need for generalization; a lot of the criticism of the F-22 comes from Americans. Still, a comparison of the craft against the other 5 gen planes shows that it does currently have the technological advantage in most ways. This isn't nationalistic chest-beating-it's just the state of the technology. China may well catch up one day, but I would again point to the insane amount of money the US funnels into defense spending.
@mwillis1000 The PAK FA is not in production yet. I'm sure you'll agree, it would be silly to compare a prototype to a full-production aircraft. And as I said before, I am basing my assessment on facts, not "news" reports. I have seen Rachel Maddow's video, and the discredited APA report. Rachel Maddow is speaking from an anti-military perspective, and misstated or omitted a number of key facts about the F-22. Hers is an opinion television show; it's not "news."
@mwillis1000 I am not arguing that the T-50 may have some advantages when it is completed. We simply don't know. But you will agree that you can't label one craft as categorically "better" than another. That word is inappropriate here. For example, the Sukhoi may have a faster climb and tighter turning. But there is no debate over the fact that the F-22 has far superior avionics. The dog-fighting specs won't matter if one craft can detect and destroy the other before ever being noticed.
@mwillis1000 I don't intend to bicker with you over this subject, but I think it's important to add that when a person has a political agenda, they play loose with their facts. Rachel Maddow misstated details, and omitted relevant details. A number of her assertions were plainly false, and were never true--including the vulnerability to rain and the time between maintenance. There are a number of sites that respond to those assertions. I invite you to take a look.
@mwillis1000 Whether or not it was a waste is not a factual, but rather a philosophical inquiry. The mood among some military analysts today, given Chinese and Russian advances, is that it was not a waste and should be restarted.
Second, on the issue of costs, the flyaway cost is $150 million--the same as as the F-35, and only slightly more than the Typhoons. It did initially cost more, but as production went on, the costs dropped significantly.
@mwillis1000 What did we discuss about using the word "better" to describe something as complicated as a fighter jet?
You seem very stubborn on this issue, and are not supporting your position with anything more than your personal feelings. We can't have a factual discussion that way. Here, you're speculating about aircraft that don't even exist, and you're assuming that the US government doesn't have it's own arsenal of experimental craft. Is that just your hunch?
@mwillis1000 Here, "will probably" is still a supposition not based on fact. If I were looking purely at the numbers, I would conclude that the country that spends $700,000,000,000 on defense every year would be more likely to develop new technologies faster than countries spending 1/14th of that amount.
I am not foreclosing the possibility of the Russians or Chinese developing a superior craft, just saying that we can't even say that it "probably" will happen.
Yes, but as i have said, it wasnt fact and if you read my comment below, i said that! China and Russia are almost as advanced as America, and and America spends too much on its military, when China take over by 2016, then we will see who is sperior.
I didnt mean take over America militarily, i mean that china is going to become the worlds richest and most powerful country by 2016. And China already own lots of US debt and control some American foreign policy. They really arent allies, far from it.
That goes both ways, if America decided to cut off trade with China, China would fall to ruins, because even though they are invested in this country, their greatest source of revenue come from us here in America. We're the ones signing their paychecks.
I think maybe you're forgeting that this country, 70 years ago, was completely self sufficient. Trade with China was almost non-existent. Labor costs are the only reason these fortune five hundred buy goods overseas, and keep prodution in the US at a minimum. It's not because they CAN'T. But if this country were to cut off trade with China, we would be fine, we've done it before, read the history books.
Yes, it WAS. We were called isolationists back then, which is why we stayed out of most of World War 2, because we were producing most of our own goods. You're either not from the U.S.A. or you have no clue about our economic history, in which case YOU should stop being so ingnorant. We were still riding the wave of the industrial age back then, which is why we had factories of every kind producing everything from produce, to clothing, to vehicles.
@mwillis1000 They made it clear that in a event of they came under attack the U.S would help them due to their ties. So its in there interest to have a allied power just as a contingency plan
@Immad1337 maybe but we got the sas , they better than anything america will ever have so you tried pal , and before you come back with your special units just remeber were all of usa "special forces" are trained.
@MrRussianterror the SAS? come on man, if history can teach us anything, its that the British army can't even stand up to a bunch American farmers and laborers. So please, think before you speak.
Not exactly true. The British invented a proper vertical take off and landing jet, but... That's about it. VTOL aircraft have actually been around longer, and the United States was actually the first nation to build a proper airplane that does that was scrapped after it was built with the dawn of the jet age. Germany in WWII had the first helicopters also.
@VonCakeMaster Yes I meant JET of course!!! The flying bed prototype to the Harrier......next time i will have to be more careful...The British invented the VTOL JET.
As long as we understand each other. The United States did develop a vertical take-off jet once, though. It had no landing gear, and had to land on it's smooth belly. not a proper VTOL. just a VT. fun little facts are fun. crashed a lot, though.
@Analog32 You mean the same Harrier that UK no longer has on its carriers because it cannot afford them? And , the JSFis still being tested and isn't even in service. Give it a break. And, what has UK done recently that is so great? You guys begged for the source code to the F-35 or threatened to leave the consortium. Believe me I like UK and its achievements, but i dislike jerks like u.
@Analog32 From the interviews that i've read w/ F-35 pilots is that it is a very easy bird to fly. I've never heard of its "having too many parts" but I think you need to give it a chance. The bird isn't even in service and is still in the testing stages. If there is a time for things to go wrong with it, it's right now. Of course I don't mind you voicing your opinion, but sometimes it's a bit confrontational.
@Analog32 I've seen the videos and read articles their interviews. Practically all weapon systems have their critics. I'm not sold on the F-35, yet, but, I think it's ony fair to wait and see how it performs. The British will be some fo the first to know how it stacks up against the EF. I think we'll find that both aircraft wil be suited for different missions, and should work in tandem very well.
This is old footage anyway lol. Head over to Lockheed martin for some up to date footage.
HOLYCRAPMANISH 1 day ago
Nice. But way to play the footage backward to make it seem like it can take off vertically.
HOLYCRAPMANISH 1 day ago
wow.it can do what a harrier jump jet ,did 25 years ago
broadband01 1 week ago
best plane in the world
hotmn4u 1 week ago
@hotmn4u Why, because it can hover? it is outmatched by planes like the F22 raptor and the SU 37
Gauzl 1 week ago
@Gauzl
The Su-37 wasn't put into production.
There are ZERO in the Rusisan air force.
Heaney5551 1 week ago
@Heaney5551 didn't you read hotmn4u 's comment.
Gauzl 1 week ago
@Gauzl Why are they best? Because of thrust vectoring? The F-35 is way more cost effective for AA and AG. Also it can be deployed in any way due to it's three variants(Possibly two if the cancel the F-35C variant for the Navy). It is also stealth, just like them and is still very maneuverable comparing to the other aircraft in the world. Just because we have the F-22 and the Russians and etc have the SU-37 and Pak-Fa does not mean it is the only aircraft the F-35 will dogfight with.
FMXPRO199 1 week ago
@Gauzl We still use older aircraft like the F/A-18, A-10 and F-16 just like the Russians use older aircraft. Fun fact: Most of the Russian military is outdated compared to the US.
FMXPRO199 1 week ago
@hotmn4u I heard it can't turn, it can't fight and it can't run.
gregrutz 1 week ago
LOL, noobs dont know difference between the X-35B and F-35B. LOL, noobs comparing the F-22, an air dominance fighter, with the F-35, a light weight strike fighter. 2 fighters not even in the same class or role.
OrokaSempai 1 week ago
F35 is huge waste of money and resources. lol F22 is so much better. I wonder what those countries without F22 would do with F35...
utubegavemeusername 2 weeks ago
@utubegavemeusername F22 cost: 350 million bucks.
F35 Cost: $300 million.
Yes, 300 million is a lot of money, but so is 350 million. do you just happen to have an extra 50 million bucks lying around, for your 'cheaper' f22? No, you dont.
ToggleSwitch13 1 week ago
Man, those F-35B's are sexy aircraft.
WarsharkProductions 2 weeks ago
f35 is stovl not vtol
Pumpy032 3 weeks ago
"cough" harrier "cough"
salfemist 3 weeks ago
@salfemist The harrier is slow.
EricsTechTalk 3 weeks ago
@EricsTechTalk So 690 mph is slow, huh? It's a high sub-sonic aircraft that was never meant to break the sound barrier.
specialed18181 3 weeks ago
@specialed18181 Compared to EVERY modern fighter? Yes. It is /incredibly/ slow, and useless in modern A2A combat. It's only 40mph faster than the B-52, for fuck's sake. It was a great airframe and still remains reliable for a VTOL platform, but its time has long passed.
EricsTechTalk 3 weeks ago
@EricsTechTalk I don't think you've ever been as up close and personal with a Harrier as I have. I worked on them in the Marine Corps for 20 years so I know what they are built for and A2A is NOT one of them. It's a short range attack aircraft meant for rapid response and close air support. Please get you fact/roles purposes straight before you comment, please.
specialed18181 3 weeks ago
@specialed18181 Then why are you trying to compare it to the F-35, which is built for more than a ground attack role. You're the one who originally tried to compare apples to oranges, trying to imply that the Harrier is the "better" plane. I've just been playing devil's advocate. You just shot yourself in the foot there. And no, I have not worked with the harrier, but I am an air force mechanic, and I know a thing or two about aircraft. Don't think you can patronize me like that.
EricsTechTalk 3 weeks ago
@EricsTechTalk I made no such comparison. You stated it was slow and I clarified. I made no such claim that the Harrier was better. You are the one comparing apples to oranges by stating the Harrier is a fighter, which it is clearly not, hence the "A" designation in AV-8B. The F-35 is primarily a fighter, hence the "F" designation. And being in the chair farce you have no credibility since you only know a thing or two about aircraft.
specialed18181 3 weeks ago
@specialed18181 Never mind, I take that back. It wasn't you who made the initial comment. I didn't realize that until now, and I thought you were the other guy, trying to argue that the harrier can even be compared to this thing. Wait, why are you even jumping in on this conversation? Oh, I am /SO/ sorry I insulted your beloved aircraft while making a point to someone in a conversation you had no fucking part in to begin with.
EricsTechTalk 3 weeks ago
@EricsTechTalk Just replying to the comment that was directed at me. If you look it was directed @me so watch who you argue with and make sure you direct you uneducated comments to the correct person next time.
specialed18181 3 weeks ago
@specialed18181 I know, and sorry, your names both start with S. It was an easy mistake to make. And what I said was from a comparative point of view, because I thought I was debating the moron who WAS trying to compare two very different aircraft. And a chair force joke. How refreshingly fucking original, especially since your talking to someone who actually does work hard and resents all the pencil-pushing noner faggots that make us look bad.
EricsTechTalk 3 weeks ago
@EricsTechTalk Unsurprising, however. It's the kind of cocky, myopic, chest-pounding douchebaggery you'd expect from an ex-marine who's been immersed in a culture that encourages looking down on the other branches. I don't like this retarded inter-service conflict crap, but I can play the game too.
EricsTechTalk 3 weeks ago
@EricsTechTalk No worries and my apologies for the joke. Consider it a little friendly inter-service rivalry and it's done. BTW, it's retired or former Marine, not ex.
specialed18181 3 weeks ago
@specialed18181 Understood. And congrats on your retirement, and thank you for your service, btw. No hard feelings.
EricsTechTalk 3 weeks ago
@EricsTechTalk Top speed is not 40MPH faster! Top speed 1200MPH!
eaglesk1 3 weeks ago
@eaglesk1 I wasn't talking to you, and I was talking about the harrier.
EricsTechTalk 3 weeks ago
@salfemist This aircraft is vastly more capable than the Harrier. Near twice as fast, twice the range, far more advanced radars and avionics, and a wider range of weapons payload. :)
wattlebough 3 weeks ago
@salfemist Not really anything like a Harrier other than it can go straight up. That is where the similarities end.
wadopotato33 1 week ago
THUMBS UP IF YOU LIKE CUPCAKES!
Mamminator 3 weeks ago
no top comment? huh...
mrpickles414 3 weeks ago
Harrier forever
DANIELburt2442 3 weeks ago
121137az1 Depends of the quality you ar paying..my friend...Don´t forget that all the best trademarks (look down in your shoes for example...made in China...If you got Nike, Adidas...all..) all are made in China....or in other places of Asia..is that right ?...So you if you buy 2 dollars shoes ..that is the quality...if you buy 200 dollars shoes..is another..
Zamolxesfordacians 4 weeks ago
@crxtech1 from the side it does look a little stubby but otherwise it's a great looking plane. Especally the cockpit area
121137az1 4 weeks ago
thats one ugly plane
crxtech1 1 month ago
@crxtech1 Are you being serious?
121137az1 4 weeks ago
@121137az1 Its the ugliest jet ever!
crxtech1 4 weeks ago
@121137az1 Ok from the rear it is OK but from the side,top and front it is pretty damn hideous.
crxtech1 4 weeks ago
vatthausen...You are very profound...hahahahhah....You write like an neanderthal, one word..it´s representing for you one sentence. It seems to bother you a real fact (before criticizing someone read) I think that you are a person without culture who´s trying to offend others and by this way hiding the fact that has no cualificacion. Open a book...and read loud by syllables...if you know what this means. Then go again to school...because it seems that you learned nothing.. Hhahahaaah...
Zamolxesfordacians 1 month ago
@Zamolxesfordacians China's just a crappy place that makes crappy products
121137az1 4 weeks ago
For those who belive that US is stronger than all...you must know something..China an Russia have an real military agreement, and have more resources than this big, fancy, illusion that USA is selling in his movies. Russia and China will form again the old alliance, and America will be in third place as military power...FOREVER. So ..those who think that China has an agreement with USA, so powerfull, think it again....China had and will have another vision about the democracy..
Zamolxesfordacians 1 month ago
@Zamolxesfordacians noob
vatthausen 1 month ago
Actually, we and China rely on eachother's markets, while the rest of Europe eats our poop to survive. Which isn't working out too well for Europe
Yeaaaaaaaahhhhhhh 1 month ago
Great beat - what is it called?
greggNH 1 month ago
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Also from this little argument you can take a vital statistic from us posters, that out of the three of you that had been arguing, I mean the three main guest, and see that its a 2 to 3 ratio that Americans truly don't know anything about their country, even history for that matter. Also the other two of you probably believe the twin towers plan had been executed by terrorist, ROFL boy do you guys need help....
Please don't be one of the herd, strive to be a wolf, not a sheep.
mcmvp1990 1 month ago
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mcmvp1990 1 month ago
LOL Wow after reading all your guys meaningless bickering I had to step in and clear things up for you bigot minded fellows. FIRST and foremost MWILLIS1000 has been the only one making not only factual but intellectual statements that are in lamens terms, ON POINT! China does supply the US with the most good. It is simply because ONCE WE USE UP EVERYONE'S RESOURCES, WE WILL BE THE ONLY ONES TO HAVE ANY LEFT, WHICH IN TURN MEANS WE CAN CHARGE ANYTHING WE WANT FOR THEM! BECAUSE ONLY WE HAVE IT!
mcmvp1990 1 month ago
super chill beat broo....
Mikerohren 1 month ago
Im here bcuz of bf3 :D
Jones0192 1 month ago
@Jones0192 I'm guessing your here to find out weather or not the f35 lighting ii can really hover, or just to learn about it... I really hope DICE adds the F 22 Raptor in battlefield 3, it's my favorite plane! o_O
TrappedInTheMind 1 month ago
@TrappedInTheMind yea that would be cool !! ;)
Jones0192 1 month ago
this is a 5th gen fighter right?
somerandomutewb 1 month ago
F-35 = Waste of money
millu1986 1 month ago
Can we say Air superiority?\
supahsayen 1 month ago
the f-35 is nice but the usa is broke ,order the f-15SE at a quarter the price.
nic190 1 month ago
Best way possible to avoid traffic.Charlie.
montcalmwolfe 1 month ago in playlist Favorite videos
Our airforce is the most advanced in the World. Russia is the 3rd most advanced behind Israel.
Roger5970 1 month ago
@Roger5970 Thats not fact, the USAF is not the most advanced, its one of many air-foces in the world with advanced tech, the RAF has the Tornado GR4 and Typhoon FGR4 attack jets, there the most advanced of there kind, and Typhoon F2 fighters which are the most advanced typhoons, also ro recce missions we have the Tornado GR4A whitch is one of the best recce Multirole fighters in the world, the Russians have better aircraft than the US now.
Elitepoosniff 1 month ago
@Elitepoosniff Two things: The Tornados that you mention are good, reliable aircraft. But they are not exactly the most advanced machines in service. Second, I presume you are talking about the Russian SU-30. It is inferior to the F-35 and F-22 in many ways, including, but not limited to, situational awareness and avionics. The only authority to hold that the Sukhoi was superior was APA--in a report that has been widely criticized for suspect methodologies.
darkwingkevin 1 month ago
@darkwingkevin Its not that Russia and China have these aircraft that are challenging the US air-force its that the Russians most of all are trying to have the biggest and most powerful air-force, and the most types of stealth fighters they make and fail on they will one day brake it and create the most powerful and most superior fighter out there, same with China,fuck knows what at area 51 right now, something that needs 5 plus miles to be able to land thats for sure.
Elitepoosniff 1 month ago
@Elitepoosniff - Your point is well taken. Taking "Area 51" to be a metonymy for all secret US military projects, you are absolutely right. But, you need to remember something: in the US, we spent almost $700,000,000,000 on military expenditures in 2010 alone. It's an insane amount of money. That's 6 times what the Chinese spent, and 14 times what the Russians spent. That number makes me very confident that the US will be competitive with whatever technologies those nations develop.
darkwingkevin 1 month ago
USA: Stand with us, or stand in front of us :]
Roger5970 1 month ago
is it successful aircraft?
SuperAaaaa123456 1 month ago
We got 2 Bitch! (USA)
createdeemcee 1 month ago
Well I hope the US Navy and Marines are happy with it. As it is going to replace the harrier and hornet. The f-22 was proven unsuitable for a tail hook as it created stress cracks in the tail section. So now you have navy pilots flying over vast expanses of ocean in a single engined aircraft.After the f/a-18 is retired. Thier risk factor just went up 50%. I think the navy should reconsider building the yf-23 as it uses 45% of f/a-18 parts. A huge savings for the taxpayer.
2ndRCHAret 1 month ago
can it do anything else but hover?
CaptJerico 1 month ago
@CaptJerico yes it makes a great target for the Sukhoi fighters. Which was proven at an international redflag exercise in 2008. The f-22 held it's own but the f/a-18 and f-35's were shot down quickly.
2ndRCHAret 1 month ago
@2ndRCHAret thts not good
CaptJerico 1 month ago
The US should build more aircraft like the f14, f15 and f16. they dominated the air , but now the f35 JSF should replace the f15 and the f16 ( even the a10 and f117) the US airforce will be dominated by russian and chinese aircraft.
SamuelVanH 1 month ago
@SamuelVanH How do you know, the public does not know half of the things the F22 and F35 can do, and we wont know until they are used in real combat
BladeXstrike1324 1 month ago
@BladeXstrike1324
1/5 DOCUMENTRY ON F-35 JOINT STRIKE FIGHTER
De guy who developed the a10 and f16 says so, he probably knows enough about it just by looking at it
SamuelVanH 1 month ago
@SamuelVanH Well I just dont like how other countries insult mine(not talking about you) when they are only acting on blind patriotism, when planes like the F35 and F22 are amazing but Russians(no offense I love russia) always thinks their Sukhoi planes are better when there is no sure way to tell...
BladeXstrike1324 1 month ago
They see me flyin', they hatin'.
BlueRaptorTiger 1 month ago
BVR capabilities taken into account, the day I see a video of this plane pull a 9g turn inside an F16, I,ll be satisfied our government (Australian) did the right thing.
MrCalman65 1 month ago
Good video....FKN GAY MUSIC>>>>>>
RaDDx1968 1 month ago
Hah, now I see why the F-22 was replaced by the F-35!
TomTheEpicRobloxian 1 month ago
over budget, behind schedule, low performance.. DUD. Cancel it
avro206 2 months ago
No music would of been better! Shitty music.
Rickey85 2 months ago
Dear Santa...
ScullBayProductions 2 months ago
ha ha ha LOL at title ...showing off XD
MrKasperabhay 2 months ago
one aircraft carrier has more air power than most countries. We have 11 carriers
tipsy3T 2 months ago
actually thats an X-35
Megalodon64 2 months ago
How far behind schedule???? how far over budget????
badeyebill50 2 months ago
Put your wallet out.
montcalmwolfe 2 months ago in playlist Favorite videos
Fuck doing maintainence on that thing. Too many moving parts it would do my fucking head in!
kiwiboy1 2 months ago
can someone please explain the standing wave visible in jets exhaust. I mean the sinusoidal intensity of visible radiation, why does this occur?
BWCmike 2 months ago
@Immad1337 haha the Brits and Canadians are both helping pay for the F35 and will both service with each respective Air Force and Navy. Do your research lol
TheBuddha1975 2 months ago
@Immad1337 The brits will probably buy some of these...if we sell them to them.
killak2115 2 months ago
@killak2115 sell?? we were one of the main nations who helped design/build ill also have you know that BAE system (which is military weapons/ship/tanks etc) british company are actually helping you manufacture these along with some of your subs bet you didn't know that dumb ass
some of you guys really need to learn how to read before you make stupid ass comment go check your dam facts
o p.s F-35s were tested by both american and British pilots biatch
zipyzomo 2 months ago 2
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@killak2115 haha the Brits and Canadians are both helping pay for the F35 and will both service with each respective Air Force and Navy. Do your research lol
TheBuddha1975 2 months ago
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frank021678 1 month ago
@Immad1337 either you have an insanely low iq or you are an american because the "brits" are one of the main nations behind the project and development of the f-35 JOINT STRIKE FIGHTER. Now the word "Joint" is what many americans find hard to understand. All that i know is, if america went to war with their current air force, they would be outclassed by pretty much any other major nation. EG Eurofighter typhoon or the SU-35s of many other forces. Have a nice day Amerifriend
tehtimster 2 months ago
@tehtimster" America's air force outclassed by every other nation" LOL grats on the stupidest thing I've ever read. Your nations have like 50 Eurofighters.. Russia has 15 Su-35's.
Feel free to watch my video if you want the actual numbers but next to the USAF, the RAF looks pretty damn sad.
OlderG0ds 2 months ago
@OlderG0ds lol shut up were on the same side, stop being imature and the raf is amazing. Grow up.
b24lib1 2 months ago 6
@b24lib1 I'm talking about aircraft here I'm not dissing the RAF crew members. And I stand behind my statement the USAF is not outclassed by anyone.
OlderG0ds 2 months ago
@b24lib1 HAHAHA yes...we can tell you're scared that's why you say we're on the same side. We don't need your tea drinking, biscuit side a-holes on our side, we're fine without you guys.
All I know is that we kicked your arrogant asses out and won in 1776, if you want more, you're always welcome to comeback and have a historical lesson made live again.
ScopedOUT2 1 month ago
@ScopedOUT2 lol immature and stupid. ohh were not scared, because we know we have the best trained troops in the world.
b24lib1 1 month ago
@b24lib1 bahahhahhahah china would fuck you up.
FukTeChPb 1 month ago in playlist f35
@b24lib1 wrong..so y yall not the best in the world and america is second
tonystarification 1 month ago
@b24lib1 get this strait we are better....yh sure R.A.F. is amazing but not as awesome as we are.lmao...anways kidos
tonystarification 1 month ago
@OlderG0ds really? insulting the RAF?... the first air force in the world (independent from other forces) and also one of the most highly trained forces on this planet. This is what i'm talking about with the American "we are the greatest" mindset. Without the help of other nations, you are powerless. Enjoy living there. Anyway the point i was first trying to argue was that the f-35 was contributed to by more nations than the USA and that should be respected in conversation.
tehtimster 2 months ago
@tehtimster Read
OlderG0ds 2 months ago
the brits? umm JSF...
dingpuff 2 months ago
:)
AVMamfortas 2 months ago
@AVMamfortas lol you're funny
sw4mp3rt 2 months ago
The US has the largest, most advanced Air Force in the world. Hands down. Come touch us!
nicoilschlager 2 months ago 16
@nicoilschlager lol Germany could too.
pipocal02 2 months ago
@nicoilschlager they had a huge airbattle back in 08'.. Su's and I think some chinese aircraft against US F18 F22 and I think the F35.. hundreds lost on US side.. the top people said the US aircraft is double inferior.. inferior in everything.. think of the US Airforce like a police car.. against an exotic european supercar.. on the highway.. lol
AntDX316 1 month ago
@nicoilschlager I'm part of it, bruh. Nothing like it.
DrailligNoremac 1 month ago
@nicoilschlager Wrong, its not the most advanced, its one of the most advanced, dont forget about the RAF.
Elitepoosniff 1 month ago
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Roger5970 1 month ago
@nicoilschlager
Not anymore, well Russia now has the best fighter and China will soon have an even better one. So in a few years anyway, the US will be kocked off the top spot.
mwillis1000 1 month ago
@mwillis1000 ... let me tell you something please (1) they fighter is a prototype its to expensive (2) china already updated there air force last year they plan on doing it again in 2035 (3) we are making a newer fighter jet have you heard of our hyper sonic unmanned jet that goes at most 13000 mph we are going to make a manned one that can go that fast but it wont turn at that speed because you would die. hope that clears it up.
crazypat523 1 month ago
@crazypat523
It will be better, and much cheaper. F-22 was an utter fail of an aircraft. Yes, and they are making the J-20.
mwillis1000 1 month ago
@mwillis1000 Re: Russia--the only testing that has produced that conclusion was APA's, and the methodologies in that study have since been heavily criticized. For the foreseeable future, the American 5'th gen craft have the most advanced avionics and situational awareness capabilities of any fighter in existence. In an air superiority battle, those craft have the ability to see and destroy enemy targets long before the targets will ever see them. Finally, the Chinese craft is all speculation.
darkwingkevin 1 month ago
@darkwingkevin
F-35 and F-22 have also been heavily criticized. China are developing it, they are more advanced than most of you Americans think.
Havent you seen the video which sows how big a FAIL the F-22 is?
mwillis1000 1 month ago
@mwillis1000 I'm not basing my opinion off of a "video." And there is no need for generalization; a lot of the criticism of the F-22 comes from Americans. Still, a comparison of the craft against the other 5 gen planes shows that it does currently have the technological advantage in most ways. This isn't nationalistic chest-beating-it's just the state of the technology. China may well catch up one day, but I would again point to the insane amount of money the US funnels into defense spending.
darkwingkevin 1 month ago
@darkwingkevin
A video of a NEWS report, giving FACTS.
T-50 is going to be better, wait until its a finished product.
mwillis1000 1 month ago
@mwillis1000 The PAK FA is not in production yet. I'm sure you'll agree, it would be silly to compare a prototype to a full-production aircraft. And as I said before, I am basing my assessment on facts, not "news" reports. I have seen Rachel Maddow's video, and the discredited APA report. Rachel Maddow is speaking from an anti-military perspective, and misstated or omitted a number of key facts about the F-22. Hers is an opinion television show; it's not "news."
darkwingkevin 1 month ago
@mwillis1000 I am not arguing that the T-50 may have some advantages when it is completed. We simply don't know. But you will agree that you can't label one craft as categorically "better" than another. That word is inappropriate here. For example, the Sukhoi may have a faster climb and tighter turning. But there is no debate over the fact that the F-22 has far superior avionics. The dog-fighting specs won't matter if one craft can detect and destroy the other before ever being noticed.
darkwingkevin 1 month ago
@darkwingkevin The news repot had facts in it. Well, even if she is anti-military, what she said was true.
mwillis1000 1 month ago
@mwillis1000 I don't intend to bicker with you over this subject, but I think it's important to add that when a person has a political agenda, they play loose with their facts. Rachel Maddow misstated details, and omitted relevant details. A number of her assertions were plainly false, and were never true--including the vulnerability to rain and the time between maintenance. There are a number of sites that respond to those assertions. I invite you to take a look.
darkwingkevin 1 month ago
@darkwingkevin
Her story was to show that its a waste of money, and she clearly isnt going to non stop praise it is she?
mwillis1000 1 month ago
@mwillis1000 Her premise was that it was a waste of money because of defects that it did not, in fact, have.
darkwingkevin 1 month ago
@darkwingkevin
It was a waste, was it ever used to full or good effect? And it costs hundreds of millions to make.
mwillis1000 1 month ago
@mwillis1000 Whether or not it was a waste is not a factual, but rather a philosophical inquiry. The mood among some military analysts today, given Chinese and Russian advances, is that it was not a waste and should be restarted.
Second, on the issue of costs, the flyaway cost is $150 million--the same as as the F-35, and only slightly more than the Typhoons. It did initially cost more, but as production went on, the costs dropped significantly.
darkwingkevin 1 month ago
@darkwingkevin
Even if its restarted, it will not only cost a LOT more than Russian and Chinese aricraft, but the Russians an Chinese will probably be better.
mwillis1000 1 month ago
@mwillis1000 What did we discuss about using the word "better" to describe something as complicated as a fighter jet?
You seem very stubborn on this issue, and are not supporting your position with anything more than your personal feelings. We can't have a factual discussion that way. Here, you're speculating about aircraft that don't even exist, and you're assuming that the US government doesn't have it's own arsenal of experimental craft. Is that just your hunch?
darkwingkevin 1 month ago
@darkwingkevin
I said "will probably" meaning that its not fact. Well, your not either so, whats your point?
mwillis1000 1 month ago
@mwillis1000 Here, "will probably" is still a supposition not based on fact. If I were looking purely at the numbers, I would conclude that the country that spends $700,000,000,000 on defense every year would be more likely to develop new technologies faster than countries spending 1/14th of that amount.
I am not foreclosing the possibility of the Russians or Chinese developing a superior craft, just saying that we can't even say that it "probably" will happen.
darkwingkevin 1 month ago
@darkwingkevin
Yes, but as i have said, it wasnt fact and if you read my comment below, i said that! China and Russia are almost as advanced as America, and and America spends too much on its military, when China take over by 2016, then we will see who is sperior.
mwillis1000 1 month ago
@mwillis1000 China has no interest in taking over their biggest buyer plus they are basically allies
xDvsking666x 1 month ago
@xDvsking666x
I didnt mean take over America militarily, i mean that china is going to become the worlds richest and most powerful country by 2016. And China already own lots of US debt and control some American foreign policy. They really arent allies, far from it.
mwillis1000 1 month ago
@mwillis1000
That goes both ways, if America decided to cut off trade with China, China would fall to ruins, because even though they are invested in this country, their greatest source of revenue come from us here in America. We're the ones signing their paychecks.
nick42701 1 month ago
@nick42701
Vice versa, if US stops trade with China, the American economy will collapse too, they keep signing your paychecks.
And China will be the biggest power by 2016, its not me guessing btw.
mwillis1000 1 month ago
@mwillis1000
I think maybe you're forgeting that this country, 70 years ago, was completely self sufficient. Trade with China was almost non-existent. Labor costs are the only reason these fortune five hundred buy goods overseas, and keep prodution in the US at a minimum. It's not because they CAN'T. But if this country were to cut off trade with China, we would be fine, we've done it before, read the history books.
nick42701 1 month ago
@nick42701
No it wasnt, even back then America relied on trade, if trade went, the US economy went.
US would be screwed if China stopped trading, please dont be so ignorant.
mwillis1000 1 month ago
@mwillis1000
Yes, it WAS. We were called isolationists back then, which is why we stayed out of most of World War 2, because we were producing most of our own goods. You're either not from the U.S.A. or you have no clue about our economic history, in which case YOU should stop being so ingnorant. We were still riding the wave of the industrial age back then, which is why we had factories of every kind producing everything from produce, to clothing, to vehicles.
nick42701 1 month ago
@nick42701 Yep, mwillis1000 has no idea what he's talking about.
Daramanz 1 month ago
@Daramanz
Cant handle the truth?
mwillis1000 1 month ago
@mwillis1000 That you're retarded and have no clue what you're talking about?
Daramanz 1 month ago
@Daramanz
So can you prove that the US couldsurvive on its own?? I think not.
mwillis1000 1 month ago
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greggNH 1 month ago
@nick42701
Ok, well if all foreign trade stopped, America would have done just fine...YES. -_-
mwillis1000 1 month ago
@mwillis1000 They made it clear that in a event of they came under attack the U.S would help them due to their ties. So its in there interest to have a allied power just as a contingency plan
xDvsking666x 1 month ago
@nicoilschlager But the US can't really afford it. I am of course referring to the massive deficit in the US ecomomy.
kyXst 1 month ago
Welp, at least it doesn't cost 30 service hours for every hour of flight.
viperxeon 2 months ago
@viperxeon the LRIP are at around 100 hours per flight hour last time i heard
KevinxHD 2 months ago
Your watching 20 year old technology.
MrSchpankme 2 months ago
People should have to take a test, I swear, in order to post comments on youtube. Some people are just so dam stupid
CLAPPY2120 2 months ago
@Immad1337 dude, we're buying F-35's too.......
CLAPPY2120 2 months ago
@Immad1337 maybe but we got the sas , they better than anything america will ever have so you tried pal , and before you come back with your special units just remeber were all of usa "special forces" are trained.
MrRussianterror 2 months ago
@MrRussianterror Yea... In America. What the hell are you talking about? lol you think the Brits train American special units? That's pretty cute.
Immad1337 2 months ago
@Immad1337 no he is right some of your top special force units come to sas camps
zipyzomo 2 months ago
@MrRussianterror the SAS? come on man, if history can teach us anything, its that the British army can't even stand up to a bunch American farmers and laborers. So please, think before you speak.
thebullfrogfarm 2 months ago
Safer, faster, flies longer than the harrier. can actually hover for as long as it has fuel.
VonCakeMaster 2 months ago
@VonCakeMaster vertical take off and landing, a british invention, but hey, we'll help you make one too :-)
Siberian68 2 months ago
@Siberian68 F-22 Raptor. A Stealth Fighter Jet. American invention.. but hey.. we'll SELL you one too =)
TBird4490 2 months ago
@TBird4490 I thought F-22 sales were prohibited due to tech? But if you can't afford more than a handful we can't afford any !
Siberian68 2 months ago
@Siberian68
Not exactly true. The British invented a proper vertical take off and landing jet, but... That's about it. VTOL aircraft have actually been around longer, and the United States was actually the first nation to build a proper airplane that does that was scrapped after it was built with the dawn of the jet age. Germany in WWII had the first helicopters also.
VonCakeMaster 1 month ago
@VonCakeMaster Yes I meant JET of course!!! The flying bed prototype to the Harrier......next time i will have to be more careful...The British invented the VTOL JET.
Thanks for your comment :-)
Siberian68 1 month ago
@Siberian68
As long as we understand each other. The United States did develop a vertical take-off jet once, though. It had no landing gear, and had to land on it's smooth belly. not a proper VTOL. just a VT. fun little facts are fun. crashed a lot, though.
VonCakeMaster 1 month ago
@Immad1337 the brits are helping develop the f35, anyway we came up with the concept for vtol in the first place, remember the harrier ?
nssurge 2 months ago
@nssurge I thank you for reminding this idiot of those two points! Oh, and err Eurofighter
will1988a 2 months ago
groovy
eddie123212 2 months ago
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Analog32 2 months ago
@Analog32 You mean the same Harrier that UK no longer has on its carriers because it cannot afford them? And , the JSFis still being tested and isn't even in service. Give it a break. And, what has UK done recently that is so great? You guys begged for the source code to the F-35 or threatened to leave the consortium. Believe me I like UK and its achievements, but i dislike jerks like u.
TheTequilaShooter 2 months ago
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Analog32 2 months ago
@Analog32 From the interviews that i've read w/ F-35 pilots is that it is a very easy bird to fly. I've never heard of its "having too many parts" but I think you need to give it a chance. The bird isn't even in service and is still in the testing stages. If there is a time for things to go wrong with it, it's right now. Of course I don't mind you voicing your opinion, but sometimes it's a bit confrontational.
TheTequilaShooter 2 months ago
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Analog32 2 months ago
@Analog32 I've seen the videos and read articles their interviews. Practically all weapon systems have their critics. I'm not sold on the F-35, yet, but, I think it's ony fair to wait and see how it performs. The British will be some fo the first to know how it stacks up against the EF. I think we'll find that both aircraft wil be suited for different missions, and should work in tandem very well.
TheTequilaShooter 2 months ago
@TheTequilaShooter and what did the romans ever do for us??
Siberian68 1 month ago
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Analog32 2 months ago