Inside Story - Assault on Gaza continues - 29 Dec 08- Part 2

[Kryptonian250]

"Anyone who's fair minded" he means to say anyone who's a fucking zionist!!!!

[Kryptonian250]

Its almost a year I don't see them talking to Hamas.

[AceRedBaron909]

The modern 20th century weapon of neo-imperialism is "dollarism." The Zionists have mastered the science of dollarism

[juergen4020]

fuck allah

[TheRagman100]

The only reason why israel is attacking the palestinian territories is because they want all the land. this thing about defending themselves from terrorist attacks is bullshit.

They just want to wipe out all the palestinians so only jews can live on the ''promised holy land'' which doesnt even exist., the original idea was that all religions could live peacefully in the 'promised land' but those greedy zionists doesnt want that.

(Not all Jews are zionists)

[badbubbagump]

Scary how biased the pro-Israeli spokesman is.He refuses to debate the facts and documentary record,instead he prefers to call hamas the bogeyman and claim the numbers of dead slaughtered by Israel were "meaningless".Were the number of Jews killed in WW2 meaningless?Robert Fisk on the other hand was informative and honest .

[jon2xu]

before Hamas came into Govn. were thier rockets fired at Israel?

[blupheonix44]

Right on Fisk! Kicked his ass! Gaza, belonged to the Palis, Israel wants to eliminate them to gain the land. Israel is occupying Gaza, would you not attack a foreign power was attacking and blockading you? No, you would not..

[u4w51]

Joshua is a real fucker, he is a real zionizst, self defence this is pull shit, you know that fucker, one day you will pay the price i am sure now or latter

[sarabairo]

1st of all palestine is n ocupied land and the alleged israel is the ocupier power, media misleading world by sayin war attack etc, but the fact therse no war. war between 2equal armies wich doesnt exist.ahuge nuclear arsenal and army(israeli) against paird civilian women children regarding hamas theyr the only resistanc groups and without them palestinian existance & dignity were smashed. hey people u can not say to the victim whyu defend ur self vietnamis, south african did its human nature

[suburbanpakeha]

I think Israel needs to treat civilians different to the terrorists. They need to help develop Gaza, while at the same time cracking down on the thugs. A few rockets must not be allowed to stop the good will towards civilians. That's how to win hearts and minds.

[mballard05]

dose any one want to blame GEORGE BUSH didnt you know everthing his fault. love ya george

[cabdisomali]

Zionist scumbag > Joshua.

[porsche408]

May Allah Show everyone the right path. and may the Israelis Understand what they are doing is not right.And May ALLAH help the palestinian brothers and sisters that are suffering. 600 plus people have died , each one of them had a family, this has killed mentally thousands, not just 600

[mballard05]

no but jesus can

[kursigaab]

the entire world should be ashamed on what is happening to the innocent children and women in gaza . this is a war against humanity in general. isreal for some reason think they are above the law. so does hitler.

[takingitallin]

Sad to say I do not feel so sorrowful about what is happening now. what did make me sick was a rejoicing palestine mother over the death of her suicide bomber son a few years ago. I will never forget this! Do I believe she was really rejoicing? NO. But how can she worship a god who she believes would require such a thing as this. such ignorance. such great great ignorance. and fear. Afraid to stand up to Hamas who manipulated her son into doing it in the first place. such darkness.

[Readmit]

Fuck that Jew fag, he got punded by that cool Canadian guy.

[chekist1917]

If you want to see a cool video check out: "More children among Gaza dead" It has some cool footage of a Palestinian baby girl with her head blown in by a bomb!

[1naz1]

How the hell does this man(joshua)justify the barbaric massaca of innocent people/children dying?he refers to the number of killing of innocents people including children meaningless!!!This is humanly insain.

[tarek307]

Israel thinks by killing so many civilians they will achieve peace..what idiots! and the dirty Hamas also don't give a shit about their dying civilians! Fuck them both

[blacknproud4ever]

FREE PALESTINE!!!!!!!

Palestinian people were their before Jews stoled that land claiming to be Gods people.

But the only God you worship is Satan. Look at the sign of the devil on your flag.

You are the masters of manipulation. You have all the Americans government and people bamboozled, brainwashed and under your control.

[mballard05]

hamas sends there sons too die by bombs in the name of there god, i think that satan

[johnseraway]

free Palestine.. wipe off israel from the Earth!! zionis israel = nazi = war criminal

[tarek307]

That is stupid! no one said WIPE THEM OFF THE EARTH! they can have a country and all BUT STOP KILLLING PALESTINIANS AND STOP YOUR OCCUPATION!

[johnseraway]

the problem root is the zionism israel is the illegal country in Palestine land that was created by british, and proclaimed in 1948..

just move out israel from arabic land, and the problems will be over.. and say to your stupid egypt country to open their border to help palestinian..

[6Ott7]

Nobody wants the Jews. Thats why everybody supports Israel. It keeps them out of Europe and thats just fine by them.

[vanessaleb]

it is true. I live in Europe and we hate their guts.All the unwanted rubbish of this world was thrown to Israel.

[mballard05]

hate hate so sad

[WillCodeForCookies]

So who determines legality in such matters? You? Me? God? The UN? Historically groups of people have always conquered and been conquered. Lands have always changed hands through the ages, along with attendant violence and bloodshed. Assigning some kind of bullshit morality or legality to such things is just silly. In the end, the winners are the people who make something of themselves inspite of the adversity. Based on that criteria it looks like the Israelis outdid the Palestinians big time.

[WillCodeForCookies]

I don't know about billions of dollars and what not. But back in 1948, Israel and the Arab states were more evenly matched. Back then the Arabs actually had a chance to do their thing. No US, nothing. Then what happened? Arab states did not cooperate and coordinate, each going for it's own territory. I could go on but my point is this: Arabs fucked their chances up to do Israel in, so now they whine like sore losers. Sorry man, can't cry over spilled milk. Now you live with your problem.

[WillCodeForCookies]

In case it's not clear, I'm referring to the 1948 war between Israel and surrounding Arab states.

[psarflgmailcom]

FAITHISM IS THE NEW RACISM

[JohanBreimo]

So fucking disgusting hearing the man from washington!

[chant1018361]

@JohanBreimo yeh he is a snake

[6Ott7]

God bless the Jewnited States of America.

[Readmit]

That's what I call it.

[6Ott7]

Its cuz your smart and you know what the hell is going on in the world.

[Readmit]

Thank you. :)

[zakuk77]

...For as long as the US backs Israel, we will continue to see Israel ignoring world opinion as it murders the Palestinians and destroys their towns and cities. When it is said that Israel rules the world by proxy, it is a fact that only those candidates approved by Israel can win elections in America. So much for democracy in the United States. Lets see the stand of the United States' new President.

[zakuk77]

...For as long as the US backs Israel, we will continue to see Israel ignoring world opinion as it murders the Palestinians and destroys their towns and cities.When it is said that Israel rules the world by proxy, it is a fact that only those candidates approved by Israel can win elections in America. So much for democracy in the United States. Lets see the stand of the United States' new President.

[exm5fe03]

I am not a westerner nor an asian, but I beleive the Israeli's claim. Moslems continue to inflict pain to innoncent people as recent as Mumbai. They play on their larger number to castigate Israel. They encourage suicide bombings and have as of now hijacked the UN and the EU.You continue to kill innoncent in Pakistan, Iraq,India and claim to be victimized. Only Israel undertands how to deal with you. By the way the most vulnerable victims of terrorists are muslims themselves.

Thank you ISRAEL

[zakuk77]

The world seems to be condemning Israel for its genocidal attack against Gaza, but as usual the world does nothing. Why not? Because Israel is backed by the United States of America. The world should also condemn the United States. The planes and the bombs are all made in America. If they are lost the US will replace them. And the US will finance Israel so as to continue its bestiality...

[zakuk77]

Most tragic an irony:

independent . co . uk / opinion/commentators / fisk / robert-fisk-why-bombing-ashkel­on-is-the-most-tragic-irony-12­16228 . html

[xobabieehxo]

i cant believe this guy would say the numbers are meaningless

[xobabieehxo]

Im sorry Abby but let's take a look at the stats. 400 Palestinians dead in a few days- civilians MOSTLY, and something like 20 Israeilis dead? Who's being terrorized? This Joshua man is clearly biased. I say stop war on both sides, but calling one side the aggressor and one side innocent is completely unfair. Both sides should just end it. And right now the massacre on gaza is completely uncalled for. Just take a look at pictures that biased people such as Joshua don't show ;)

[palbaselim]

WE R SO FUCKED

[4merCIA]

To TheAntiV: I lived on Navy bases for 20 years, I have sat in the radar rooms n seen them identify ships, their class, speed, size etc, even old orange crates floating on the sea, I have seen so many examples of their identifications of vessels that all I can say is that anybody that thinks that the Israelis' fighters and their torpedo boats, AND 2 helicopters couldn't identify the USS Liberty, IS FULL OF FUCKING SHIT !!! Israel needs to be completely DESTROYED!

[philipdcrusader]

We must be thankful that we have the likes of Ilan Pappe, a Jewish historian who took the cudgels of defending Palestinians. It shows that freedom is guaranteed in Israel. Try any Muslim who can write the good side of Israel and he will be dead the next day. Free press and balanced views are needed in Muslims countries so that fanaticism and twisted reasonings will not thrive. This is the only place on earth where people jumps with joy when rockets fall on Israel. No wonder, peace is elusive.

[palbaselim]

the holy koran says:do not thrust the jews,for they are truly and OPENLY ur enemies

[samsdayout]

this is a zionist world...get over it...if you do not want this new world oredr of democracy and human rights...you can live in saudi arabia...they will chop your hands for gambling,stone you to death...u have a choice...anti zionism is islamic terrorism ...do not fall for it!!!

[yourcamden]

The apologist for Israel statement that 'the numbers are meaningless (of those murdered in the conflict)' shows how little respect for human life and dignity Zionists have.

[VT16]

Well, given how much of the population, both legal and illegal settlers, live with daily rocket attacks and air sirens, you wouldn't be so fucking cocky if it was you. It'sa ridiculous to expect anyone to live in any similar condition and turn around to call them nazis or something. Save that for the Fundie Jews who can't keep off of Palestinian territory, don't throw everyone into the same category.

[WMD911]

Though you comment could be misread, I like that one sentence that you have in this little para graph, "Don't throw everyone into the same catergory".

[VT16]

If these people who make head-ways into Palestinian territory are not Fundamentalist Jews who can't fucking stay away from other people's property, I'll eat my nonexistant hat. Those people are grade-A asshats, like we've seen for years, kill or harass Palestinians and cage them in (literally) inside the same neighbourhoods, fuck them.

[ABAisSCIENCE]

Your right yourcamden, when Palestinians bring their children to all sites of violence to be killed & then flash them on T.V. to raise demand for their value as dead flesh they show value of children.

The Israeli by contrast builds armored school buses because their children are not a political statement. Nor are their children conditioned like dogs to talk about death to Arabs like Arab is conditioned to speak of nothing but death to Jews. Arabs respect life for what it's worth a walking bomb.

[ABAisSCIENCE]

Skinner's right on morals & freedom. Wrong only on philosophy. Man not "caged ape," rather able to condition more by thought then action in environment. Still thought controlled by external stimulus; thought conditions more. Hence free will is merely sharpened discriminative control. Ray,B.

(1969) Selective attention: the effects of combining stimuli which control incompatible behavior. J. of the Exp. Analysis of Beh., 12, 539-550.

What are Palestinian children learning by parents & cartoons?

[ABAisSCIENCE]

The numbers are meaningless indeed.

The truth is that Palestinians are conditioning their children to hate Jews everyday at the dinner table & if anyone talks to defend them they are shamed to silence immediately. Their cartoons train them to hate Jews everyday too.

Until this conditioning is undone & Palestinian children are raised like Israeli children the Palestinians will continue to avoid signing or following peace treaties that they don't want anyway.

Hence, why try for one?

[zakuk77]

...He urged the ICC to look into the possibility of indicting Israeli leaders for war crimes. Comparing the present-day Israel with Nazi Germany one discovers that the majority of the Israeli policies are the exact copies of the Nazi policies.

[abbienetvision]

zak,

Nazis in Germany didn't not allow the Jews to bring in supplies to make bombs or build tunnels to bring in weapons.

Look at films here of Gaza, you will see open stores, cars on the streets, schools with kids, kids playing outside, people in houses, outside, learning how to kill Jews, terrorist training camps, todlers fitted with suicide belts, flag burning demonstration.

Were any of these things in Nazi Germany?

[zakuk77]

You do know the the 'final solution' envisaged by Nazi Germany was mass expulsion and not mass extermination right?

[exm5fe03]

No one will do anything like that to Israeli leaders or it will be the end of the earth

[zakuk77]

Richard Falk, the professor of international law at Princeton University and the UNs special rapporteur on the Palestinian territories, had accused Israel of violating international law, international humanitarian laws, and the Geneva Convention. He described Israels policies against Pals and its siege of Gaza as war crimes, genocidal tendencies, holocaust implications, and holocaust-in-the-making...

[bootleg42]

Robert Fisk did great.

[joldash1]

the jews they have no mercy for other people,si coming a time that will have no mercy for jews either. . . . .

[abbienetvision]

jold,

Where is your mercy for the terror perpetrated on innocent Israelis daily? Not just for the past 3 or 4 days, but for years now?

[zakuk77]

After a fourth day of jewish nazi attacks, Palestinian deaths rose to more than 380. At least 80 of the dead are civilians. Two victims yesterday were identified as girls aged four and 11, killed as they rode on a cart. This is the new chapter of jewish nazi state's ethnic cleansing and the bloodiest massacre in Gaza in living memory; a true holocaust in the making!

[abbienetvision]

zak,

I didn't know that the Nazis were targetted daily and had bombs daily and were fighting for self-defence? You are definetely an idiot.

You mean to say that "one of the most powerful armies in the world" has been

bombing Gaza for days, deploying massive air power, dropping hundreds of

bombs, and ultimately killing a grand total of 50 civilians or so in the

"most crowded place on earth?"

[zakuk77]

No one buys Israeli BS about Hamas launching 'bombs' (that are nothing more than glorified fireworks) into Israel. In fact Hamas's rocket attack was in direct response to the closure of Gaza by the Jewish state terrorists. Palestinians were eating out of garbage dumps because no food was allowed in Gaza due to the Zionist closure. Hamas responded to Zionist provocation and its the latter's breakage of yet another ceasefire! Israel has no honour nor dignity when it comes to keeping peace treaties

[abbienetvision]

zak,

Do you pride yourself on your lack of knowledge? Or that you cannot watch any news in the world and understand it?

On June 12, Hamas fired a barrage of more than 50 mortar shells, Kassam and Katyusha rockets at the South. Similarly, on November 14, it bombarded towns in the Negev.

I feel sorry for your parents, having such a moron in the family!

[thomasmc1957]

The Palestinian People have a right to protect themselves from the Nazi Israeli government!

The AEI fascist will burn in Hell! How can such EVIL exist on the earth?

I am a Jew, and I am seething with anger at Israel and these FASCIST Zionists!

[abbienetvision]

Thomas,

Please stop lying. You are not Jewish, possibly an Arab, Muslim, or just a moron.

You didn't watch the video or you would know that Israel was attacked daily from Gaza. Israel is not trying to stop the rockets from coming in to her land. Maybe watch the vid!

[thomasmc1957]

You, obviously, are not even human.

300 people murdered in 3 days, and feel nothing. You are probably a Nazi!

[abbienetvision]

thomas,

300 people killed in 3 days, however accidently, unlike the Hamas that TARGETS CIVILIANS!!!! If Hamas kills civilians, especially in school or something like that with a lots of children and lots of blood, they would be partying in the streets. I actually am sorry about civilian deaths, so who is not human? How can any place live with rockets daily?

Do you really think a strong Army with all its power has acted indescriminantly and only 50 or so are civilians? PLEASE TRY TO THINK!!!!

[thomasmc1957]

For someone who can't shut up about the holocaust, you sure talk like a NAZI!

[01217745854]

u guys wana know the fact, the fact is that sum one is going to get his hurt, i cant wait till the ground invation starts my hammas boyz are going to do some series dammage, 'BRING THEM ON MANZ R THURSTY 4 SUM ZIONIST BLOOD'

[mynewschannel]

What planet is this dickwad on from Washington? because he certainly is not on this one!

Robert Fisk must have read my comments on

AlJazeera's previous program on the Gazan attacks, because he quoted it almost word for word.

[mynewschannel]

Response to Inside story- Israeli violence in Gaza - 28 Dec 08 - Part 1:

"...we are doing what any other country would have done in a similar situation..." - Mark Regev.

What a load of bullsh*t!

If that had been the UK's response to the IRA bombings by launching an air strike on Belfast, the whole world would have been up in arms.

[philipdcrusader]

IRA's infrastructure were not visible hence UK did not bomb Belfast. Definitely, UK will bomb IRA if there were opportunities. Its no BS my friend, its the reality of war. Just dont be emotional when Israel strike back. Its a legitimate act of self-defense.

[moseskoses]

My friend, first of all Belfast is part of the UK so please do not speak of an issue you know nothing about. Second of all, I would just like to know if civilian buildings, mosques, universities, medical supplies store and so on are all part of the infrastructure of Hamas. 360 dead until now, 160 civilians 40 of them under the age of 18. Too much collateral damage dont you think? Self-defence against what? toy rockets that have killed no Israeli at all over the part 6 months?

[philipdcrusader]

Belfast is the capital of Norther Ireland. Its part of UK simply they represented in the British House of Common but they are part of Northern Ireland Assembly. Secondly, what Israel is doing is righfully valid. Yes, there were few Israel deaths but do you want their deaths to be equal with the Palestinians? I couldnt find logic in your reasoning. Im a Catholic and Im just objective in my opinion.

[moseskoses]

Ur saying what ur saying because ur not here,ur half way across the globe in america and can NOT comprehend what is happening to the Palestinian people.I am not saying that I want a single civilian death on either side but 400 deaths half of them civilians opposing 2 deaths?are we worth less than humans?.I couldnt understand how anyone could justify this until i watched the american news chanels.Extremely bias and manipulative to the facts. You are no more than a puppet my friend.

[philipdcrusader]

Blame the Palestinians for reducing themselves into sub-humans. They are cheap because they could not reason about the lives they are terrorizing. They are still lucky bcoz Israel allows foods, medicines and treating wounded Gazans. If you dont want Israel bomb Gaza then dont bomb Israel. Is this simple logic difficult to comprehend? You are a mindless Muslim, my friend.

[WMD911]

How are you going to insult someone and an entire population and call him "my friend"? Just because its leaders did a wrong doesn't make the entire population "sub-human". Civilians have less control over their leaders then you think "my friend".

[moseskoses]

I did not insult anyone. I only critisized the American media , most notably Fox news. I also critisezed the people who get their news solely from those channels and base opinions upon what they are watching on TV. I live in Ireland and I watch numerous news channels from CNN to fox news, from Al jazeera to BBC. I also read about the facts of each incident. If you look at the facts you will know who is right and who is wrong.

[moseskoses]

You have absolutly no fucking idea what you are talking about. You do not know what has been happening to the palestinians since the british mandate on palestine. I know this is a strong phrase to use but the palestinians have been ethnicly cleansed, massacre after massacre. People being forced out of their homoes at gun point long before 1948. How do you explain that in 1917 the jews were 7% of the pop. and 30 years later they formed a country for themselves if ethnic cleansing wasnt used.

[abbienetvision]

moses,

1516 1917 A.D Palestine was a desolate land with almost no people or agriculture

This is the history..desolate mean lacking and bare, if you don't know.

If you want go back to 1897 when Mark Twain was in the area and wrote that even the olive trees were dying, since the land was not taken care of.

After 1948, a million Jews were kicked out of Arab countries. Land was taken from them and money and they were shipped to Israel.

In Morrocco alone there were 250,000.

[WMD911]

Hate to say it buddy, each relative nations news channels are biased. It's the way it is, don't assume America is the only one with "puppets". hint hint

[moseskoses]

If you research just a little bit you will know that during the 6 month "truce" israel was the 1st to break the terms by blocking the entry of supplies into gaza. Hamas foolishly retaliated by firing those little rockets of theirs into sderot. You would think here that the israelis didnt kill anyone here and hamas endangoured israeli citizens but from the blockage of supplies, tens of palestinians died from lack of medical supplies. Same as shooting rockets at them if you ask me.

[moseskoses]

Read "the ethnic cleansing of palestine" by John Pilger. He is an israeli historian. I am a person who ONLY beleives in facts when making an opinion, and this book is full of facts. It includes pictures, UN reports, statements by zionist leaders, interviews with haganah members. FACTS. If you are as smart as you are trying to sound, you should read this book. Then I will talk to you about the issue.Now I think you are extremely ill-informed so I think it is a waste talking to you.

[realitycheck1883]

I think it was Ilan Pappe rather than John Pilger who wrote this excellent book.

[moseskoses]

Thanks for correcting me, I cant beleive i made such a silly mistake haha. Its an excellent book as you said, but I wish more would people would open their minds and read it.

[covertcovenant]

Amazing, that American is a true asshole. Robert Fisk is great! Thanks AJE.

[Streetslogic]

The world is a fucked up place. Look at the reaction we gave to the Goergian Conflict in compirasion to the Palestinians. Civilians gets sluaghtered by our allies and we pretend thats its right, civilians get slaughtered by the Russians and you can hear the cry out for peace all over the world.

[greenie85]

wow... that American guy really made himself looked stupid.

[suburbanpakeha]

@ VT16 and King36090 and countless others.

In defense of Robert Fisk, there is likely to never be a better journalist.

Unfortunately he has sacrificed himself and seen too much of what goes on. He is red and angry, and justly so.

If only all journalists would be brave enough to see what he has, the world would be a better place.

[abbienetvision]

sub,

You support this red faced reporter, even though he never has spoken or written about the crimes of humanity on the side of Hamas?

You do know that it is illegal to fire rockets into other countries?

Hamas targets and kills 100% civilians, while less than 15% civilians have been killed in this Gaza war.

Israel is only trying to protect her citizens.

If the jornalists would open their eyes to the truth, rather than support terrorists, the world would be a better place.

[suburbanpakeha]

Mr Fisk does criticise the tactics of Hamas. He is not on the side of Hamas but on the side of innocent civilians.

In fact in this interview one of the first things he says is that Hamas are a bunch of thugs.

Regards

[csmith6594]

I like Mr. Robert Fisk. I am sad that the other guy from the State Dept. is a douche bag. I plan on either working at the State Dept. or the U.N. after I graduate from college and after seeing this, I think I am leaning more towards the U.N.

[abbienetvision]

csmith,

How you cannot see the truth is beyond me. There are so many things wrong with Fisk's statement:

Why didn't he ever loudly tell Hamas to stop firing daily rockets into Israel?

The UK never had a daily bombardment of missles coming into their territory, as Israel has.

The dr also full of it. "No boats can go into Gaza" and neither can any Jews. No Jew can live in or rent in Gaza. Also, Israel was bombed many times during the "cease-fire" which ended recently.

[akamal1113]

That Joshua guy is a jew. Neocons in USA

[VT16]

Well, they didn't complain about bombing civilian Germans and Japanese during WWII. It's hypocriticial. I can't stand the nationalist arrogance and racism prevalent in Israeli politics, but using this hot-headed moron as a counterpoint is idiotic and sensationalistic. Become better journalists, not sensationalists.

[VT16]

If Israel wants more legitimate support, it needs to go back to the areas bought during the British administration in the 40s. Then Hamas would have no leg to stand on, and they'd be free to crush them. The problem is, Hamas keeps getting support because the illegal Israeli occupation is still happening. Guess this is the outcome when two fundamentalist groups get stuck in a small area.

[abbienetvision]

vt,

Two fundamentalist groups? Do you mean Hamas and Fatah?

This entire war is because rockets have been being fired into Israel, sometimes up to 100 a day. Can you imagine running into a bomb shelter 100 times a day and not knowing if it will land on you or your house?

Why not go back to the Balfour Declaration which left all of Israel and Jordan to the Jews?

[VT16]

Don't try to make an appeal to outsider's feelings. My only feelings on this matter, is I'm sick and tired of the constant victimization of oneself and the demonization of the other population. I couldn't care less who owned what land 60 years ago, 100 years ago or 1000 years ago. The "Fundamentalist groups" are the Israelis and Palestinians who are so adamant about continuing the circle of violence and illegal land-grabbing.

[VT16]

Right now it's the Palestinians with more of a leg to stand on, but that does not absolve them of any guilt. I wish all the leaders on both sides get a shoe to the face.

[abbienetvision]

VT,

Just trying to understand...Israeli civilians have been targetting by rockets every day up to 100 a day.

Israeli citizens have lived in terror with bombs daily coming from Gaza. Israel decides to protect her citizens and stop the rocket attacks.

Now, according to you, this makes Israel a "fundamentalist group" and is creating a cirle of violence? Am I understanding correctly?

[Sharkhunter1976]

The French resistance in WW2, didn't shoot at the Germans with waterguns, did they?

Israel is simply violating the rights of the Palestions for more than 60 yrs now... what would you expect they would do?

[VT16]

Stop occupying the areas you forcefully took since 1948, and then you can bomb the Palestinians all you want.

[abbienetvision]

VT, Israel history:

1909 -ruled: ottoman Turkish - all-Jewish city of Tel Aviv founded.

1917-1918 British Ruled - Balfour Declaration granting "Jewish Homeland" internationally approved.

1946-British Ruled -tranjordan was created, which later became Jordan and Israel.

Where is the "forcefully took"?

So who stole what? With the internet it is easy to learn. You need to look up history of Israel and you will see that Israel was attacked by Arabs after the UN agreed to Israel.

[VT16]

Don't put words in my mouth you arrogant shit. They need to get out of the West Bank and Gaza, simple as that. Remove the illegal settlements.

[abbienetvision]

VT,

Are you not able to self-educate yourself in any way? Israel left Gaza....100%...not one Jew in Gaza.

The result has been a constant barrage of rockets.

The settlements are completely legal...if a country attacks and you get land, give it back and they attack again..when you take the land over, internationally it make it yours!

[VT16]

Since you're apparantly retarded, and don't notice that a person can have more than one thought in their head at the same time, you'd see I've been defending the actual legal territories of Israel and Israel's right to defend against rocket attacks. But, by all means, keep mocking people who think you should be gone from all territories taken and occupied illegally since. I know now you're that willfully stupid.

[VT16]

Ah, so that means Afghanistan and Iraq are now American territory, then? No, it fucking doesn't, dipshit.

[trabaly]

sory but that,s just nocence what do you call Gaza have been free the palestinian are under controle there,s check point evrywhere

i,m sorry try to be reaalist,

the main probleme ist the occupation no peace

no freedom no justice

[VT16]

I said since 1948, dipshit, not on 1948. The British Mandate sold land to Jewish settlers, you can use that and leave the rest alone.

[abbienetvision]

VT,

Actually Jews started buying land in the 1800s. Israel, Jordan, Syria, Iraq, Iran, Lebanon, etc were all created at the same time, from the ottoman empire.

[VT16]

I know that, you fucking clod. I said "since 1948", moron. Can't you fucking post without a single snide comment to people who don't agree with your Jew-supremacist views?

[abbienetvision]

VT,

Since you have no facts, but keep running your moron mouth, and cannot read, I will repeat what I wrote.

Jews began buying land in Israel in the 1800's.

Jordan is over 70% Palis.

Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, Israel, Iraq, Iran, etc are all formed from the ottoman empire.

This is not a matter of opinion, it is FACT!!!

[VT16]

Are you this fucking dense? I never said anything about what happened before the 1948 formation of Israel, I was talking about everything since. The West Bank does not belong to Israel and you need to get out of there, you fucking asshat.

[trabaly]

ist amatter of occupation not rockets give the palestinian the right to live like avrybody does

stop talking bull shit.

[VT16]

I see, those rockets don't exist, then? Telling people to live with a rocket attack every single day is not realistic. Or as you put it "reaalistic".

[abbienetvision]

trab,

There is an occupation in Gaza?  The only residents of Gaza are Arabs. Israel and 8,000 Israelis left Gaza 4 years ago. NO JEW can rent or live in Gaza, it is against the law in Gaza (talk apartied)

Israel left Gaza for a promise of some silence, however since leaving Israel has been bombed daily and all the billions of dollars that the Palis got from Europe were used to create a terrorist base, rather than feel the palis or create and economy. The only one to blame is themselves.

[zakuk77]

Latest: 382 Palestinans dead, 1850 injured (350 critical) and wholesale destruction of Gaza's civilian infrastructure: Welcome to jewish/nazi state terrorists' FINAL SOLUTION! Jewish/nazi state sponsored holocaust reflects Zionism's inherently evil agenda! The jewish/nazi air force used a new bunker-buster missile in Gaza that it received recently from it master partners-in-crime the United States. The US is equally complicit in jewish/nazi orchestrated HOLOCAUST in Gaza.

[abbienetvision]

zak.

Holocaust? I don't remember the holocaust victims getting food, having stores, cars, military, police, or firing missles into German. You are a complete and total idiot.

The border was most of the time closed by Egypt that also wants to end the Hamas regime.

[somethingawful01]

Fucking piece of shit Yank, I hope your piece of shit Redneck country goes bankrupt soon so we rid ourselves from your insanity and inbreeding. You are hated by the world because of your stupidity and disgusting greed. Rise up people from the US, rise up and throw the ZioNazi's that rule you into the seas and burn them all!

Death to ZioNazi US and Israel!

Death to that piece of shit UK, burn Blair, Brown and Israel's henchmen at stakes!

[King36090]

Guy in suit pwned red faced guy.

[Ristar85]

pallys getting slaughtered, the people say? lol!

250+ Hamas

50+ civilians

granted, it is not good civilians are dying, but Hamas linked organisations are the ones getting screwed over.

these people should get a sense of proportion. the number of Hamas scum killed is 500% of the number of civilians accidentally killed.

beause Gaza is a place with high population density, i will say that this reflects the very high professionalism and precision of the IDF.

[xxashyy]

That's bullshit where did you get those figure about "250 Hamas" killed? Are women and children considered Hamas now by you paranoid freaks in Israel?

[Ristar85]

im not from Israel.

why dun u do some basic kindergarten level mathematics? time for problem sums, xxashyy.

300 people are killed, 50 of them are civilians, and the rest are Hamas-linked fatalities. How many Hamas people were killed?

it is funny that there are people that cant even do these kinda simple maths sums.

[xxashyy]

Before you try and say anything about math skills you need to learn basic spelling and English.

[Ristar85]

this is the internet, deal with it. maybe u havent chatted with anyone before, and/or can not refute wat i said.

so i take it that u cant do simple maths.

it is ok, i do not blame u.

feel free to talk about the spelling again, if u havent figured out this is the internet yet.

[xxashyy]

You said 50 civilians were killed they could have been 150 or more.

[xxashyy]

No I believe your typing on here is not due to the Internet it's due to stupidity.

[Ristar85]

it would be nice if u can just accept the fact that u can not count, and stop the personal attacks.

because there is nothing lamer than doing that and straying from the topic, xxashyy.

[xxashyy]

Personal attacks? A few minutes ago you insulted my math skills. So what's good for the goose is good for the gander.

[xxashyy]

Also how do you know 250 Hamas was killed and not civilians? Gimme some sources. "Hamas-linked fatalities" is a vague statement also.

[Ristar85]

the media on every news channel keeps harping on the 50+ civilians killed by the IDF. why dun u stop flaming and start listening to wat is said in the videos?

here, on al jazeera, u can hear people talking about it.

so, if the remaining 250 are not Hamas, and not civilians... then they are ghosts that dun exist in the first place?

[xxashyy]

I hear the Zionist supporters saying 50 civilians but not from the opposition. I've seen the news and what I hear are mixed results on how many Hamas was killed.

[Ristar85]

i learnt that fact from al jazeera.

watch the videos regarding this matter on al jazeera again. i did not know that they are zionist supporters.

as for the maths skills, it is true. a logical human being will figure out 300 - 50 = 250, and stop crying bloody murder.

[xxashyy]

I've seen the videos too and I don't recall anybody on there saying 250 Hamas were killed officially. So WTF are you talking about? You can keep repeating those same numbers about "300 - 50 = 250" blah blah blah, but Ive seen no evidence of 250 Hamas being killed on the aljazeera videos. Even aljazeera's print site didn't say anything about "250 Hamas killed" Also even if only 50 civilians were killed what about the 600 injured Israel caused with its bombing?

[Ristar85]

lol!

this is because al jazeera isnt a zionist supporter. it is all in the choice of words to sway public opinion. tsk.

so i guess to u, 300 killed - 50 civilians killed = ??? lol! get real. other than Hamas people/other smaller terror groups and civilians, who else are there? elves?

we dunno who are injured. until they come up with statistics saying how many Hamas and civilians are, dun be so quick to judge.

so do stick to wat is was talking about: fatalities.

[xxashyy]

That's right we don't know yet. That's why I was trying to figure out what the hell you were talking about 250 Hamas killed. Also "other smaller terror groups" YEEAAHHH sure. Israel had the same excuses in Lebanon. The Hezbollah are using human shields, we warned the public to leave the areas, blah, blah, blah. It's the same Israeli playbook.

[xxashyy]

Why don't you face the FACT of the matter that Israel does not give ONE damn about civilian casualties, you heard the US representative. Are you also going to tell me that UN workers and a Police graduation Israel targeted were also "linked" to Hamas?

[Ristar85]

actually, the police are from Hamas. it is the police arm of the Hamas to keep everyone in check. if u'd like to know more, go check it up on google; it is your friend.

it is funny, u were just insulting my intelligence a while ago, and now u display ignorance so blatantly... do yourself a favour and check stuff up on google: keywords "Hamas", "police".

wat u think dun matter, because facts say that only 50 civilians were killed so far.

[xxashyy]

No the facts DOESN'T say "50 civilians were killed so far". The real facts aren't out yet. ALL we know Israel killed scores of people and some could be HAMAS some might not be.

[Ristar85]

lol!

ok. im done with u.

i refuse to correspond with a guy that refuses to accept facts.

[xxashyy]

Where are the facts you can site that 50 civilians were killed officially? You even said yourself the exact numbers of HAMAS DEAD and CIVILIAN DEAD are not in yet. These "facts" you're talking about are your made up "facts".

[Ristar85]

ok. u just made up a bunch of stuff and accused me of making up stuff, so i will respond, just this ONCE.

how abt u watch and LISTEN more, instead of going nuts about Israel.

a good starting point would be al jazeera's video "Inside Story - Assault on Gaza continues - 29 Dec 08- Part 1". read the stuff written on the right hand side.

in addition, i said we dunno who is INJURED. not dead.

it is just too bad u cant tell the difference. u must be too bz calling others "stupid" to notice.

heh.

[oceanbound222]

Zionism is evil

Zionists are devils

[dagreatmighty1]

Self Defense??? Any country with a neighbor who is being starved to death? Any country who doesn't have proper medicine, food, and living space?

No, no, what you should say is, "Any country who is defenseless and doesn't want to listen to our demands, we can have our way with them."

[hotspur2514]

Israel's "demands" were simple. Stop the rockets. Hamas violated the truce DAILY. And now they're fucked. Even the Arab nations are going to watch this happen, because they know Hamas fucked themselves up. It's Hamas' fault, and now they're reaping the rewards of being the bloody-minded scumbags that they are.

[xxashyy]

What a FAT SMUG BASTARD that US representative was. Typical Washington bureaucrat.

[hotspur2514]

I think he talks a lot of sense. I don't think he was smug, but it's hard not to be when you're right on the money.

[xxashyy]

Well I forgot the LYING part to, as most Washington bureaucrats do. For him to say that casualties don't matter was hypocritical and foolhardy. If any country did what Israel just did in Gaza the US government would have sanctioned them or NATO would have bombed them into the stone age, and you know it. Especially if the shoe was on the other foot and Israel was receiving kills at the rate the Israeli's murdered the Gazans. So he definitely was NOT RIGHT ON THE MONEY as you claim.

[hotspur2514]

You may disagree with (what you think) his opinion is on casualties, but, what did he lie about?

[davidinfo13]

they are pigs sitting in their little a/c rooms in washington disconnected from reality

[newuser1234567]

TRue dat...it beggars belief that someone could say numbers are meaningless when it concerns innocent lives lost....I mean I more or less agree with him about Hamas...but he's a spot on caricature of a Washington bureaucrat.....arrogant..heart­less...myopic...self-serving..­...list goes on n on...