Why sex with women captured in war is halal in Islam

[thomas242007]

okay so say you want to marry a slave woman and she refuses to convert to islam then what? do you kill her?

[sharartie]

the title of the video is misleading.

[Ash1RockRunner]

mohammed+devil+sex+shit%islam+­qurran=mohammed the sun of the pitch

[SyriaInMyHeart]

pleaseeeeeeeeeeee, SHUUUUUUUUUUUT UPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP.

you cant even understand the quran, the hell do you talk about it?

you can have sex with your wife, she is who you possess, that what it means you dumb idiots, go learn arabic before talking like an expert. Shave your beard

[frankthemaratha]

my right hand posses with thousand so i should have sex with many womens 

[tavish80]

dumb idiots ..there is no way to awaken them.. this will only end when it goes beyond the extreme . cant help but wait for the time when atleast a law comes out that no parents are allowed to teach any religion to kids till they attain 18. then after they can choose something they like.I feel sorry for people who are born in islams exposure and are helpless to know reality for their entire lives. Such a sad world for them forever.

[ulived1969]

I AM JESUS,

I AM THE 666 IN REVELATION,

I AM THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH....

THE MARKS / NUMBERS FORMING UPON MY FACE WILL SOON BE TOTALLY UNDENIABLE....

[thoughtsrfree69]

The words supposedly revealed to Mohammad are clearly from his own imagination & to serve his own ends. “Mohammad, why do you forbid yourself what allah has made lawful to you just to please your wife” Only a complete brainwashed retard would believe these words are divine. Mo is raping a slave, his wife objects, but allah doesn’t give a fiddling fuck about rape, slavery or fornication – just so long a Mo can get his end away. Nothing divine in any of this. Total immorality.

[Tsonga88]

motherfucker zakir the monkey

you are the most outlandish liar

worst than a snakeoil salesman

fuck you and fuck your family

[celltechlars]

Just listening to this retard is enough that Islam is liquid shit flushed straight out of Satan's dunny.

Zakir's voice is nothing more than a squidjety little whine...what losers to sit there and have him fill your head with liquid shit.

[ASHOK251058]

attack on her family. make his mother and daughter slave.and fuck them as alla has permitted.

[Tsonga88]

@ASHOK251058

you are right. get the indians to do it!

why didnt the indian govt kick this monkey and send him to saudi arabia?

[ASHOK251058]

great KHALI should attack this bstered and make him salve and after that he should sodomise him 24*7 for 5 years.

[meeursh]

Shame on you Zakir and your teachings,,, (sex with slaves, means free to rape!!!!!!!!)

[priyamjeetable]

He is a biggest Filth I have ever seen... If he comes around me and talk with me openly.. I can bang him smoothly..... I thing He was himself in Guantanamo bay and being BANGED over there....

[freecats31]

another Muslim Moron

[rjbob78]

Dr. Zakir... own peace Tv... and can say what ever he wants... in this talk comparing Islamic law with American actions... wow..I really do not wether Dr. Zakir is scholar... He is says have sex with slave girls ...Allah and Muhammad allowed to have sex with slave girls because Muhammad, the prophet wanted to have attration ...such money and girls .... good Islam ....

[michaeldcruz77]

what a dumb ass he talks about every thing but the question

[yadone123]

die you stupid dog you dont know islam

[subzeroicefrost]

from 3:20 - 3:25 he makes some funnyass sounds XD

[ReggarF]

"Note that sex with women distributed from the spoils of war did NOT count as one of the four wives permissible under Islamic shariah law."

Nice, and muslims still wanna keep saying how islam respects women? :/

[Mikhael37]

For the sake of humanity, kill this man!!

[MrGhenchus]

As day passes he resembles a pig.

[LiberalElitistMedia]

Fucking muzzies LOL

[om99vids]

only a retard like zakir can defend this evil cult.

[ndavisaa]

To be fair, They stole this idea from the judeo christian faith.

Numbers 31:17-18 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

[Stickmaleboy]

@ndavisaa Islam IS a judeo christian faith

[brazilianbutterfly61]

@Stickmaleboy Wrong, Islam is an abrahamic faith.

[Stickmaleboy]

@brazilianbutterfly61 oh my bad.

[brazilianbutterfly61]

@Stickmaleboy Don't worry about it man :)

[brazilianbutterfly61]

@ndavisaa By the way,numbers in the bible is the old testament,which means they are jewish books. Christians follow the new testament plus the 10 commandments.

[TheEconable]

One word: RAPE

[ZaheelHamid]

fUCKIR NALYEK HARMI mUSLIM

[amitavaxxx]

detestable bastard..

[darklord2314]

I hope India kicks out this goat..

[darklord2314]

@005arian How merciless are you? Don't you have any pity for poor animals? Even animals deserve more civilized system..Islam is not even for stones and blocks...Its only fit for gutter and as for Quran, it can be used as toilet paper

[muhammadthefalseprop]

Why this Leader of Goats still alive, he is exposing Islam himself.. Thanks Naik.. Islam is a religion of Sex and violence..

[asyhwh]

This is really a shame. Someone justifying that can't be condoned. What a fucking idiot. 

[ka010185]

IMP ppl search for this vid on utube "Islam and Sex With Infants and Children - Mufa'khathat"

[exa0]

Do you guys even know what he "last name " means "Naik" ??????? === "Fornication" in Arabic.... lol,,, I strongly advise him to change it, to maybe soething like "Nay-yeeeek" or "Min-take"...

[gfscarface13]

Its RAPE

Its funny how this guy naik tries to Justify RAPE

[Rifaak]

haha he says now we don't have any wars! what he forgot to mention was if muslims killed the men and took their wives and children as slaves the whole world would nuke them out of existence. and pathetic trying to compare the worst human rights abuse and saying .."islamic law is better than guantanamo bay' . pathetic Khal Nayak

[flexbrat]

IDIOT

[lokenath123]

@flexbrat absolutely... Zakir saab is losing his mind

[sufideceiver]

Allahuakbar, the right hand possess is part of Islam, and we refuse to apologise for our religion to the kafirs who according to there own statistics engage in widespread fornication (100% of americans), adultery (40%), homosexuality (10%), bestiality (10%), rape and incest (12%). right hand possess is a mercy from Allah swt, how many women converted to islam after being taken as slaves after the kind treatment Muslims showed them. even moses in the bible took right hand possess in numbers 31.

[jefeisdguard]

@sufideceiver

Right hand possession is mans laws NOT Gods. Muhd GOOFED big time by allowing documentation of his raping Safiya & Rayhanah 2B published! How many RAPES went UNpublished?

Yrs ago, many muslims BOASTED to me how Muhammad was a mans MAN!

They boasted Muhammad had the libido to 30 men! Now how is that a resume for a prophet of god? Just goes to show muslims choose man over god. See Jeremiah 17:5

Prostitution is smoked screened in Islam as Mut'ah marriages; deceitful

[sufideceiver]

@jefeisdguard, wow, u r genuinely dumb. firstly mutah is only done by shias, not sunnis. secondly right hand possession is not rape as the females have rights and have to be treated well, not like animals. many of these women converted to Islam and then married their muslim masters. you want to talk about rape, that is what your god of love ordered moses and his men to do to the young girls of the midianites, see numbers 31, 17-18.

[jefeisdguard]

@sufideceiver

Wow! Ur calling me dumb? What does it matter who does the Mut’ah? Its all Islam! Now, give me an intelligent break here! When does a RAPE victim ever have rights when a sex-crazed man uncovers her nakedness? We ARE LIKE ANIMALS! Safiya converted OUT-OF-FEAR! Rayanaha DID NOT convert! Can YOU prove Moses & men raped? Moses is NOT like Muh’d. Muh’d was a known nympho & had countless wives for sex. In fact. Muh’d is NOT-A-PROPHET, biblically. Islam lied.

[sufideceiver]

@jefeisdguard, "its all Islam", dumbass, i consider shias to be heretics and they are the only ones who do mutah. lets talk about your god of peace and love named jesus. he orders the raping of women in numbers 31, 17-18. those women had no rights, moses and his men are ordered to take the virgins for themselves and kill the non virgin women along with any babies. wow jesus is so loving! rape, mass murder and infanticide. btw soloman and abraham had multiple wives, are they nymphos too?

[jefeisdguard]

@sufideceiver

U said:

btw soloman and abraham had multiple wives, are they nymphos too?

-UNQUOTE-

Abraham had ONE-WIFE-AT-A-TIME! Sarah, then Hagar then Keturah.

Solomon, David & Muhammad violated Gods laws to have ONLY ONE wife!

& ONLY Muhammad was a nympho. ALL MUSLIMS BOASTED THIS FACT TO ME GLEEFULLY & PROUDLY … yrs ago.

[jefeisdguard]

@sufideceiver

U said:

lets talk about your god of peace and love named jesus. he orders the raping of women in numbers 31, 17-18. those women had no rights, moses and his men are ordered to take the virgins for themselves and kill the non virgin women along with any babies. wow jesus is so loving! rape, mass murder and infanticide.

-UNQUOTE-

Could you tell me which verse says “rape”? Cant find it! HELP!

[jefeisdguard]

@sufideceiver

You say: "secondly right hand possession is not rape as the females have rights and have to be treated well"

From the very first moment a man puts his hand on a woman resisting his sexual advances; where are her rights ... according to him? She has NONE! Why would a sex-crazed man give rights to any rape victim captured as "booty"? All have abused our responsibility of power over the weak & helpless! Can YOU name one person who didnt with proof? Muh'd most of all

[sufideceiver]

@jefeisdguard, what are u one about, another dumb christian surprise surprise. according to Islamic law the righ hand possess do have rights, they cannot be forced to do anything, they have to be fed and clothed in kindness, they have to be respected and for these reasons many of the right hand possess historically converted to Islam. these are the rules given in the hadith. i like how u dont answer my attacks against your bible, somethings are indefensible.

[jefeisdguard]

@sufideceiver

U said:

"its all Islam", dumbass, i consider shias to be heretics and they are the only ones who do mutah

-UNQUOTE-

Islam has 73 sects, of which ONLY ONE is going to heaven. Hence all have different versions of the quran

Quran started out w/four codexes. Muh’d never did get to pick his favorite reciter, Uthman picked Zaids codex

Whats w/the dumbass remark? Cant U be civil?

[jefeisdguard]

@sufideceiver

U said:

these are the rules given in the hadith. i like how u dont answer my attacks against your bible, somethings are indefensible.

-UNQUOTE-

Hadiths & quran are man-made laws. Both are NOT inspired by God.

Islam trusts man more than God & are cursed for it. Jeremiah 17:5

Remember, U believe in a god (allah) that has NO image like ours (Gen 1:26-27 & Gen 9:6) b/c urs is a figment of mans imagination 500 BC

U attckd the bible? Heaven 4bid! Repeat ur attacking questions

[jefeisdguard]

U said:

they have to be respected and for these reasons many of the right hand possess historically converted to Islam.

-UNQUOTE-

Safiya was enjoying her wifely duties to her husband that morning B4 Muhammads men moved in. She witnessed the torture/murder brutality to her husband. She was IN-FEAR-FOR-HER-LIFE! She converted out of fear & had SEX w/Muhammad in his tent OUT-OF-FEAR then married him! Was NOT her choice, tho.

Rayhanah was braver & refused to convert or marry Muhammad

[jefeisdguard]

@sufideceiver

U said:

according to Islamic law the righ hand possess do have rights, they cannot be forced to do anything, they have to be fed and clothed in kindness,

-UNQUOTE-

WRONG! A rapist is NEVER going to give in to the whimper & resistance of their alleged victim! ARE U KIDDING ME? For a NEW piece of tale? Doznt matter if the NEW tale is male or female; if the attacker has the upper hand in this meeting-gone-awry-for-the-vict­im; IT IS RAPE … hands down!

[Rimedzo08]

hold down 4

3 and 5 are fun too!

[hazeleyez911]

Sex with slaves,animals , dead people, children...omg what'S LEFT

[thedarknesscallingme]

it is a sickening abomination to even entertain the thought of taking a slave for whatever reason, anyone who does is not a human being and should be hunted down and destroyed like a diseased beast.

[eaMusIk2008]

sidenote: I love how Dr. Zakir naik pronounces guantanamo bay lol

[ikadir18]

@Shyamalacruise That's the problem - there are rarely educated or intelligent people who attack Islam - HOW DARE YOU INSULT ISLAM YOU CUNT! That is the last i will ever hear from you, and will not read your replies at all! GOODBYE FUCKER AND I HOPE YOU ARE PUNISHED BY GOD IN HELL FOR ETERNITY :)

[jefeisdguard]

@ikadir18

Are you claiming 2B an intelligent muslim?

If the case; would you plz be so inclined to indulge me in a little discussion in regards to Islam?

Can U prove Muh'd is a prophet outside the quran?

Can U prove ur quran is NOT [FABRICATED]? After all, what else could ur quranic scribes do if all eye witnesses have been DEAD for 100's/yrs since it came out 1,400 yrs ago?

Can U prove we share dieites when allah has NO image or true name? YHWH created us in His own image! Gen 1:26-27

[ikadir18]

@Shyamalacruise You fucking idiot. I knew you would show your true colours sometime, you cunt. You are uneducated about history and Islam, and you do not understand the basics of logic - you can't even put an arguement together! I knew that a fucking cunt like you could never put a case forward without offending people - the world would be a much better place without DUMB, IGNORANT FUCKS like you! Now you know why muslims hate non-muslims all over the world. PS - your sites did not have sources

[SSTTEEAALLTTHH]

Having sex with captured woman.

That's called rape...

[ikadir18]

@Shyamalacruise Your arguement is totally flawed from the beginning - you are trying to deal with semantics , trying to prove that the word 'slave' means a certain thing - however the islamic notion of slaves, and indeed slaves elsewhere in history, is completely different

[ikadir18]

@Shyamalacruise And the reason why i brought up that movie, which undoubtably you would not have watched, is because the directors of the movie would not have even had the main character possess slaves, if in fact it truly was practice that slave-owners would rape their slaves and took away all their rights and 'free will'. And it also gives a clear example of a slave-girl 'desiring' her master, which you seem not to be able to believe. You need to research more about Islamic rights of slaves

[ikadir18]

@Shyamalacruise dude it is a well known FACT that christians only bathed hardly once a year and didn't use soap when they did - i could find it on thousands of history sites but can't be bothered trying to find the links for you, as you are starting to irritate me. It is also in thousands of history books which deal with the history of the crusades which show the difference between how the muslims and christians dealt with captives of war (slaves).

[ikadir18]

@Shyamalacruise And yes it is is a verified fact, not mere prejudice of mine, that muslims were cleaner physically (they washed themselves 5 times a day and used soap) and were kinder and more dignified (Islamic conquerers in the crusades did not massacre the remaining citizens and villages when they conquered an area as christians did, and yes were kinder to their slaves). Christianity was in the dark ages. So obviously the christian women would have desired muslims more

[ikadir18]

@Shyamalacruise Have you ever seen the film Ben-Hur? Its a classic. In that you will see that Prince Judah Ben-Hur (Charlton Heston) has slaves whom he keeps with the utmost of dignity, respect and even love. His slave-girl also desires him, and guess what - he doesnt rape her every day! (she's not black either). What im trying to explain to you is that slaves have rights, especially the Islamic notion of slaves - you are not permitted to torture them - and this would obviously include rape!

[ikadir18]

@Shyamalacruise The situation we're talking about is if a slave woman also desires her master in a mutual way - bearing in mind that Muslims were cleaner physically, kinder and otherwise conducted themselves better than christians - that you are allowed to have sex with them, without it falling under the category of 'adultery'. I am still looking for clarification on this topic, as like you said, i dont understand the rationality behind it either. When i understand better, ill let you know.

[ikadir18]

@Shyamalacruise you do not understand the concept of the term 'slavery'. A slave means someone who is employed without payment - as opposed to a servant - even though Islam requires them to be fed and clothed to the same degree as you would feed and clothe yourself. Eg the black slaves in America were not raped on a daily basis because they were a slave! If it went on, it was a moral sin.

[ikadir18]

@Shyamalacruise No. The person is a slave in the sense that they are encaptured through war. As in they are a slave through possession - and yes there are even rights given for the slaves. I'm pretty sure that you are not allowed to have sex with them if it is not consentual.

[draslrus]

Sundried atheist- do you know that the Quran is compatible even with modern science??? Have you done a proper study of the Quran???... I think you need to study Islam further before making these premature conclusions. Its sad to note that a person is trying to reason out athiesm with such poor knowlegde on Islam...

[gauravpunn]

maa ke lode beti chod teri maa behen bhi slave hoke chudi hogi tabhi tere jaisa ass hole paida hua .... english-- u mother fucker ur mom would also have been fucked like this thats why u r born ass hole

[Yahweigh]

moral fail.

[ikadir18]

Sex with slaves should not be confused with 'sex slaves'. A sex slave is someone you force to have sex with you whenever you want, whereas having sex with a slave must be consentual since rape is forbidden in Islam. I am still trying to get my head around this concept. Still looking for clarity on why it is allowed

[shiney94]

@ikadir18 Same, inshallah we find the answer. but its becommming clearer, that its to help the slaves.

[ikadir18]

@shiney94 I love our religion except a few concepts i need to come to terms with and understand. If you see my comment somewhere and wish to add your own insight, please I welcome it!

[omz323]

@ikadir18 Capturing women in war, taking them as slaves and having sex with them is rape. Your religion is disgusting!

[rsangwan04]

this guy have hell lot of fuck sake theories to explain contradictions in islam....son of a bitch..

[snazare1510]

Are goats and other animals also considered right hand possessions? :p

[snazare1510]

Zakir Naik in wonderland...

[idriss0007]

exmuslim proud

[katemrmr]

I love it how Quran legalizes rape. And wife beating. And murder. And pedophilia. Islam is the best religion in the world! All scumbags should become Muslims.

And this guy? He should work on his pronunciation because Apu from the Simpsons speaks queen's English compared to Zakir Naik.

[1995a1995z]

@katemrmr The word "beating" in Arabic actually means leaving (divorcement) as leaving someone in the Arab culture is like abuse.. thus they call it beating... So really when you are allowed to beat your wife if she does wrong, you are actually meant to get a divorce with her and not physically beat her. The Quran didn't specifically say to beat her "physically" did it? The word beating has many different meanings to it you stupid :-) I know a lot people do it, but their uneducated, that's all.

[katemrmr]

@1995a1995z Oh, so you mean "beat your wife mildly" means leave her A LITTLE BIT? It actually means you can beat your wife if she refuses to have sex with you. It's so clear, it pokes your eyes. You just decide to close them.

And there are lots of English translations of the Quran by people that KNOW Arabic - professional translators, so stop trying.

You either accept it or you don't. If you don't and you start making up stupid excuses like this one, you've got a problem with Islam.

[1995a1995z]

@katemrmr And now with regards to the rape.. Are you stupid. I've read the whole Quran and NO where does it say we are allowed to rape a women! If so why would Islam have the rule of sex after marriage with your wife? Sure your allowed to be married to more than one wife... Buts that's just pure culture... All the Muslims over is other countries like India and Pakistan all have one wife even though their allowed to have more than one wife. go back to school please

[katemrmr]

@1995a1995z What about what Quran says about women captured in war? What about the slave women Muhammad raped? The woman whose family was killed if front of her eyes had sex with him the same night. Willingly? I don't think so. And "marry" the slave means nothing. A slave is a slave. A slave isn't asked beforehand if she wants to get married or not. She's forced into marriage. Marriage or murder? Hmm.. Yeah, i'd choose marriage. On second thought, death sounds much better.

[1995a1995z]

@katemrmr hello? Are your ears blocked or what... The video clearly says that you marry the women so that she can be free'd from slavery. You could if you wanted get a divorce and then she would be free like a normal single human being... Btw forced marriages are not allowed in Islam so the slave would have a choice weather she would want to get married or not. Seriously, where on earth did you see that Muhammad raped a women? Cos iv been studying Islam all my life and have never heard of that.

[katemrmr]

@1995a1995z A slave has NO choice and NO rights. That's why they're called slaves, you moron.

And Muhammad the pedophile raped and killed, and that's the truth whether you like it or not. And if you have never heard of it, study some more. Sucks when u have to make things up so u can defent your stupid man-made religion, doesnt it? That should mean something's wrong with it, but hey, it's your life. Believe in what the hell u want.

[chesster423]

religion is bullshit!

[abdulhakiim]

"MARRY THE SLAVE" not " HAVE SEX WITH THE SLAVE" YOURE ALL RETARDS.

[GhostlyRebellion]

@abdulhakiim read your own hadiths before making statements you idiot. Here is where it says you can have sex with your slaves. These are from the most authentic books of hadiths: Bukari, muslim and malik

i cant paste the hadiths because of a character limit so here is where u can read them. anmd they say have sex with them!!

Bukhari :: Book 7 :: Volume 62 :: Hadith 137

Malik :: Book 29 : Hadith 29.32.100

Bukhari :: Book 8 :: Volume 77 :: Hadith 600

[igedeanunya]

@abdulhakiim marry them fuck them and divorce them or dispose of them wow muslim man really have got it down and on top of that the woman are helping what a sick society.

[atheistfromaustria]

Naik's "Dr." is from the same quality as Hovind's "degree"

[peymaneri]

crazy lunitic.

an ex moslim!

[Joshua001A]

I hate this guy

[halflifeproductionz]

does naik talk about sudan? his just an objective over the top retard. muslim disregard him as an islamic scholar because he popularized the science in the quran bullshit.

[mazinbuds]

he says marry the slave....cant u see it? no one is allowed to have sex without marriage..

[igedeanunya]

@mazinbuds wow man so you kidnappe a woman marry her by force and then rape her I get it islam is so disgusting its really behond me.

[mazinbuds]

@igedeanunya lol...who is talkin about kidnapping and forced marriage?



[rogan71]

Naik is a babbling simpleton...He is an embarrassment to Muslims - who are generally too ignorant to feel shame!

[MrTalgon]

Just lol xD

[Wiilovewii]

How is he justifying slavery!!!!!?!!

[SundriedAtheist]

Following complaints from many viewers that they find brother Zakir Naik's pronunciation unintelligible, I have prepared a transcript of the entire speech. Unfortunately there isn't enough room in the description box to enter it. If I can get anyone to volunteer to use the transcript to give subtitles to the video that would be appreciated. I will send the transcript. Thanks.

[NowForTruth]

@SundriedAtheist I have written entire transcripts in with the captions. It worked

[Wiilovewii]

This is so disgusting! I hate this guy!!! Fark islam!

[IslamicFarming1]

Just look at the gang of Muslim vermin listening carefully and praying for an excuse to rape.

No matter where you are on this planet those who are infected with the serious and virulent mental disease known as "Islam" are in conflict with those around them. If you live in a country where they've just arrived then just wait and see.

[no1saphead]

I can never understand what the pork dork says.

[iviewthetube]

What your right hand possesses -- Rosy Palm & her 5 sisters.

[StopSpamming1]

It seems that Allah did not foresee a time when most countries on this planet don't have slaves or slavery.

Does the presence of Guantanamo Bay make Islam any better? Does it make sex with slaves condoned in Islam any better?

[mystereed72]

I don't get the comparison between slaves and prisoners. I also find Zakir Naik very hard to understand, but what he says is nonsensical anyway - that's why he's always preaching to the converted (no pun intended).

[detersgumig]

Trivializing slavery - has this man no shame at all? (a rhetorical question, of course. We all know the answer)

[Wiilovewii]

@detersgumig I know huh!!! Such an idiot!

[NoNamesLeft0102]

The more I see of this, well, I can't quite call him a man, anyways, the more I see of him, the more I regard him as an idiot.

[NaomiChambers]

Is this man forgetting that Slavery is Always wrong. It was wrong back then, and it is wrong today

[CorporalNym]

What a complete t**t this man is. HE is an embarrassment to humanity and the universe.

[SundriedAtheist]

Brothers, please dont forget to "like" this video if you like it. Thanks.

[ikadir18]

@SundriedAtheist Why is your name sundried atheist?

[commenternotfound]

@SundriedAtheist Haha, you're not our brother, you're an idiot, I don't even hope you find god at all, all I hope is that you find that there IS a god, and see what you have in store with you :). Once again, caling us "brothers" shall not be used by your tongue/keyboard, you don't have the RIGHT to do so.

[spinspermy]

:D



[SapphireMist888]

Wtf?

[Malsipots]

There is just no end to this man's stupidity.Nice lisp Btw.

[SonofSivadas]

gr8 2 see that there are more atheists coming out... we can change the world.

remove religion, be united as human beings. I hope that in the future we have no religion, no borders, no dictatorships, just peace, order and happiness.

[CorporalNym]

@SonofSivadas My fear is, we may have to fight to get it.

[SonofSivadas]

@CorporalNym We will have to fight..... but we don't have to use violence.

[CorporalNym]

@SonofSivadas I think you'll find Islam is not susceptible to reason and logic. If one believes in a wrathful vengeful petulant child of a god, reason has no chance, besides they will see your attempt to persuade through reason as a weakness...then exploit it. They do it all the time with every demand they make and for the respect they crave and demand from us for their most ridiculous of all ridiculous religions

[SonofSivadas]

@CorporalNym It's not just in Islam, it's everywhere in almost all religions, what matters is the level of belief they have. no one can save an extreme fanatic, that is a fact. But most of the people in the world are moderates, anyone can snatch them and shove more religion into there brain and make them more religious or turn them into fanatics. The thing about atheism is that we cannot and should not enforce it.. it is something that needs to be discovered individually.