@specialforces69 and how am i the stupid one when i hit you with some facts and im sorry but your wrong mma gloves do not protect your hands at all they prevent cuts from happening fast in the fight hands dont brake easy i love that i tell you when boxing gloves where invented and you still have the stupidity to try and argue listen go watch tennis cause you dont know shit about fighting or the history of the sports you bore me
@specialforces69 The modern boxing glove was invented in 1743, the brainchild of Englishman Jack Broughton. But Broughton's gloves, or mufflers as they were then known, were at the time only used for sparring; Broughton used to instruct men in self-defence, at an arena he erected on the Tottenham Court Road, and he used his mufflers to 'effectively secure pupils from the inconvenience of black eyes, broken noses and bloody jaws' thats the first boxing glove ever idk where you get your info
@specialforces69 your retarded you know shit about this subject wtf does god have to do with anything do me and the rest of the world a favor and shut up cause your stupid the mma glove was created for same reason cuts its not for hand protection dumb asshole
@specialforces69 do you need help with anything else Lewis served 2 years of a six-year sentence for assault, conspiracy, tampering with a sports contest and criminal possession of a deadly weapon (Resto's fists
@specialforces69 Today, the weight of gloves has increased, for safety reasons, and now varies between eight and 10 ounces. In 1983 Luis Resto, a journeyman junior-middleweight, proved how dangerous fighting with an unpadded glove could be when he adminstered a terrible beating to the previously undefeated Billy Collins. After the fight it was discovered, by Collins's father, that Resto's trainer, Panama Lewis had removed much of the padding from his charge's gloves with a tweezer.
@specialforces69 have you ever been in a fight do you even know how to fight you brake your hand if you dont know how to throw a punch properly and its not the hand that brakes its usually your thumb anytime you want to say sorry im all ears
@specialforces69 Gloves became mandatory when the Marquis of Queensbury Rules were drafted in 1865, and officially adopted in 1892. Mostly the gloves would be skintight rather than padded, and only weighing two ounces. Skintight gloves remained popular until the turn of the century - the last two-ounce bout took place on 22 May 1903, between Jimmy Briggs and Tony Daly no protection for the hand skin tight it was for cuts
@specialforces69 i have been in many street fights never once did my hands swell or brake also when i played hockey i fought and broke face cages off helmets with my bare hand im 25 have taken boxing since i was fucking 10 i know the history dont try to compete with me im a guy who studys fighing
@specialforces69 The modern boxing glove was invented in 1743, the brainchild of Englishman Jack Broughton. But Broughton's gloves, or mufflers as they were then known, were at the time only used for sparring; Broughton used to instruct men in self-defence, at an arena he erected on the Tottenham Court Road, and he used his mufflers to 'effectively secure pupils from the inconvenience of black eyes, broken noses and bloody jaws' pay me now
@specialforces69 mma gloves where brought in to make the sport appear safer yes but it has nothing to do with protecting your hands its to prevent cuts and in boxing it was to make fights last longer do they protect hands yes its a fucking padded glove was that there original purpose NO
@specialforces69 mma gloves were brought in to mma so fighters wouldnt get cuts so the fights last alittle longer and gloves where brought in to boxing so that more punchs would be thrown to make fights more entertaining has nothing to do with protecting the hands
Of course the gloves are meant to protect the hands, god damn stupid inbred mother-fucking idiots, how can a person be so dumb to the point of doubting it?
Anyone who's been in a fight knows how much it fucking hurts to break your hand and it basically takes you out of the fight. That's why there are gloves u morons.
@riojurkin your wrong its to make fighters throw more punchs boxing gloves where brought in so fighters throw more and in mma its to prevent nasty cuts has nothing to do with protecting there hands and the raps are there to make there hands harder so you actually feel the punchs
If Phoney spent as much time talking shit about Randy as he did preparing for his fight and working on his groundgame us fans may have actually seen a second round.
@specialforces69 you clueless monkey ass kneegrow, the gloves are on to protect the other person's face you idiotic fuck, with no gloves you will get cut immediately, have you ever been in a fight?
Google the shit before you open up that cock holster you call mouth
@neonsector Nah mate, they are to protect your knuckles. 6lb gloves arn't protecting anyones face, the banning of 12 to 6 elbows was implemented to protect the face from slicing. If you tear your knuckles up in the first round you will lose in the second.
@Dandramere actualy the gloves were implimented to protect the opponents face from the bare knuckles wich has same effect as the elbow (not as bad tho) its bone on bone and causes cuts, it wasnt until these gloves came into play that fighters began to relise it was infact protecting them from breaking knuckles wich in turn means you can deal more damage to pponents, so originaly was to protect the face
@wkaine88 The knuckles are dull, the elbow is sharp. That is why 12-6 are banned. Gloves stop the fighter messing his knuckles up, you ever hit someone and sliced them open?
@Dandramere not sliced coz like i sed they not as bad as an elbow but yes knuckles do cause cuts to the face and the fact is that is y gloves were brought into ufc coz they were going to ban the sport so they had to make changes and the gloves were 1 of them and wen they wanted to ban it, it was not coz ppl were breaking knuckles, its coz the sport was bare knuckle and they feared the image this was putting out to the public so thats y gloves were originaly brought into mma
@wkaine88 Gloves were always optional, several early UFC fighters used them to stop them cutting up their knuckles, if you think gloves stop punches from opening your face up then think again, if gloves protected the face so much then eyebrow gashes and head splits would have stopped, fact is if you pound on a guys skull your knuckles go first, once your knuckles go, which they will when fighting bare fist the doctor has to stop it.
@Dandramere yes i kno this, i kno how much the gloves protect the hand, i also kno cuts still happen and im not debating this fact, my point is that this was not the sole perpous for bringing gloves into mma, look man all you hav to do is look into the history of mma and find out why they had to start making rules and y the gloves were 1 of them and y now u dont hav that option to wear them, ther was even a tv program made on the whole subject
@Dandramere your partly right and partly wrong the glove beleive it or not dont alow cuts as easy has nothing to do with breaking your hand is has to do with cuts and throwing more punchs most cuts in mma happen from elbows
@MegaMma4life GLoves don't protect you from broken hands that much, they protect you from cutting your knuckles up. If you punch a guy hard enough however bare fist, your hand can break pretty easily, especially at what rate these guys are punching. My point was that gloves protect the knuckles, not the one they are punching.
@Dandramere i understand what your saying but my thought is why they where brought in to begin with and it had nothing to do with breaking your hand and actually its very hard to break your hand you can break bricks and shit with your hands
@MegaMma4life I never said it was anything to do with breaking your hand, people break breaks with the outside of their hand, also brick is softer than your bone, when you're hitting someone you are hitting solid bone.
@neonsector couldnt say it better myself they were brought in to stop cuts from happening so fast and also to make fighters throw more but more so for cuts
@AwesomeRC i am aware of that. however, based on sports sciences comments, it seems they would. that is why sports science should not be taken seriously. its not science.
@AwesomeRC im an idiot? you don't even understand basic physics. force = mass x velocity. The statement sports science made took into account the mass and speed of the truck.
@david0ffxxx Toney was pwning couture from his back, even got in a triangle attempt but the referee stopped the fight too early he didnt even tap, couture got lucky
mma is far harder than boxing, no disrespect to boxers at all, most boxers have better BOXING than mma fighter, but in mma you have to watch for soo mutch ch stuff, takedowns, kicks, when you get taken down, you have to watch for passes, groundn pound, subs, have to try and get back up or sub them or sweep em, i love boxing, but to say boxing is "a real mans sport" and mma isnt... then i just ask you to fight a person who has well rounded skills in mixed martial arts.
@xXLingunXx "mma is far harder than boxing" as a fan and fighter in both sports, i can safely say that that statement is incorrect. Sure you have to have a rounded skill base in MMA, but the level of trauma you face in MMA is no where near that in boxing. In boxing a fighter can expect to face several hundred blows to the head during a fight. That sort of punishment is unheard of in MMA, hence the reason as to why boxing has such a high death rate and MMA has never had a death.
@hustleboy62 we both know what you just said is untrue. the only reason boxing is dangerous, not more harder which mma has a huge advantage in especially with knees and elbows, is that the gloves boxers wear have padding in them and thus a punch that would normally knock someone out is padded upon impact lessening the "sting " of it! fact. boxing has nothing on the trauma faced in mma! again only reason why is because of the gloves allowing an opponent to get hit more. in mma its over quick!
@psycho26shon you don't seem to understand it do you. the only thing padding does is prevent cuts. THE FORCE IS STILL THERE. cuts can be stitched up in 2 minutes. Brain damage is for life. Even MMA fighters have stated that boxing is the more physical sport. The amount of head trauma seen in boxing is unheard of MMA. In some boxing fights a boxer may experience over 1000 blows to the head (e.g. gatti vs ward). Lesnar took about 10, and they weren't even hard hits.
@hustleboy62 negative. those gloves pad the blow. which is why when sports science did "who hits harder" an mma person hit harder then a heavyweight boxer psi! fact. so i do agree with you about the standing 8 count coupled with the padding of the gloves actually allows a boxer to take more punishment which in mma that person would be knocked out already. name one mma practitioner who said boxing is a more physical sport. 1,000 to the head doesnt make it more savage. eat a kick to the face:)
@hustleboy62 cause their is not video lol but common sense tells you that getting punched in the head for 12 2 min rounds is alot more dangerouse then getting shutt off or choked i have seen mma fights wear a punch isnt thrown so yea boxing is more dangerouse because its consistant head contact
@psycho26shon I find it hilarious how you're taking sports science seriously though. Sports science is not science. It's a tv show. They're notorious for exaggerating results and for bias. UFC is one of their main sponsors. Naturally they will show bias towards MMA. I remember once they said an american footballer hit as hard as a truck travelling at 35mph. If i drove my truck at 35mph into that footballer, who do you think would come off better?
@hustleboy62 i agree with you that only and only of these two things in boxing makes it more dangerous. ive stated it before hand in a previous reply lol the techniques arent more dangerous and savage its the repeated blows that they sustain due to the gloves and 8 count, where as in mma the same blow would knock you out. plain and simple then match is done. thats the reason boxing is more dangerous, not because of techniques thrown. u go to a lighter weight glove and ko's happen.
the most dangerous aspect of boxing is the fact that they have an 8 second count. In MMA, when a fighter goes to the ground it ends relatively quickly. In boxing a fighter could be concussed numerous times and still be able to stand up and get a beating, effectively killing his brain (assuming he can stand for 8 seconds). Why do you think boxing continues to have over 20 deaths every year (much lower since they brought in head gear) yet MMA has never had a death?
@dohertyz are u on crack,when did he strike him at all to outstrike him,dominated him from his back? against randy couture lol u got no idea wt u on bout
@afshin021 you're just mad cos toney was pwning couture, dana wont do a rematch cos he knows toney will win and embarrass him, toney was absolutely pwning couture from his back
@afshin021 Nah, he got caught like Fedor did, Toney was throwing elbows at Couture from his back and pwning him on the scorecards but he just got caught
Yeah... sure you are Mcdade89. I can't stand these wannabe goofballs on Youtube who say "Oh, I fight in MMA, & blah blah blah!" Give me a break, if you fight in Mixed Martial Arts, why don't you post a few videos of your fights? Because you're a liar. Point Blank. Anyways, we all knew Randy would make him tap in Round 1. If a boxer steps into MMA without the proper training, he gets owned everytime. Same thing: if a Mixed Martial Artist steps into a boxing ring, he's going down. Durr...
if they changed sports would ray robinson beat gsp in ufc? would lesnar beat tyson at boxing ? would michael jordan beat tiger woods at golf? would tony hawk beat matt hoffman in bmx? imo NOO.buuuut there all still worldclass athletes in there own domains pretty fucking simple to figure out.
MMA and Boxing are different sports, but Boxing is a part of MMA so people need to stop acting like it's comparing a Basketball player to a footballer or golfer.
as being a an mma fighter i'd have to say i've trained boxing this entire year and i can safly say it's harder to box than it is fight mma mentally. Hear me out all you have are hands you know its a pnch that's coming but when and where?? The speed and angles it's alot harder than you think. Like i said i'm a cage fighter too this was a straight year study.
Before boxers even think of stepping into a cage, I'd like to see a world class boxer go up against a world class Muay Thai fighter. There's so many aspects of the standup game alone that a pure boxer has never been exposed to: Knees, elbows, feet, shins, clinch control, clinch striking. A boxing stance usually makes them more vulnerable to leg kicks since more weight is put on the lead leg. But you see what happens when an MMA boxer like Tim Sylvia boxes a boxer
@Billy7ue32 well some good boxers entered the k-1 ring (without elbows), francois botha fought i think 14 times in k-1, lost 10 fights, won 2 fights due injurie, briggs fought once but against a mma wrestler... fight wasnt too long..., it is maybe even harder for boxers to fight under kickboxing rules than in mma
@Billy7ue32 your a fucking idiot!!! shannon briggs went into K-1 and won. Boxers are the elitist. BOXING IS THE HARDEST SPORT TO LEARN!! Reason so, they dont have boxing as a class you can take in school. ITS A REAL MANS SPORT!!
@PharaohII Boxing is a real man's sport? haha How bout this I'm willing to agree to disagree with you. If you still wanna argue your point I have a whole lot more to say on the matter
i have seen that...Cain is one of them, Jackson Rampage was another one.My idea was an mma fighter vs an elite boxer just boxing in pure boxing form (no grapp and hit, no elbows...just boxing rules).It will be very difficult for any other fighter, while boxing is the only thing that boxers do.But who knows...there could be surprises.
The problem is that boxers stand a certain way and hit a certain way because they don't have to worry about getting taken down or getting kicked. An MMA fighter doesn't have that luxury.
@benjamintheblue it's not just about BJJ, it's about knee and elbow strikes, kicks and stuff.Couture is one of the MMA fighters more oriented for wrestling, perhaps he could beat almost anyone on the street one to one.He can strike as well, so perhaps with 2 would work too (to hit the first and having then just an opponent.With more opponents will be very difficult for him i think.But if you speak about Bas Rutten, Alistair Overeem or a K1 like Badr Hari i am sure you will not be dissaponted
watch 'Randy Couture Comments After UFC 118 Win Over James Toney ' on youtube and Randy sez the EXACT OPPOSITE to Evans!!!! He said its the easiest shot for good grapplers to counter koz its so far away they can see it! I'll back Randy
I've been in six street fights in my life and they've always been me against another guy. Sorry, but 'gang members' don't just stand around waiting to ambush grown men. If they wait in ambush at all, and I've never seen it, best to go after old men and women because they're easier marks. But...maybe I should have gone pussy and let that girl continue to get the shit beat out of her. Maybe you're right.
You go for a "submission" in a street fight? The guy goes for your eyes or pulls out a weapon. I was just responding to this nonsense. I don't act tough, I don't train MMA.. I did BJJ with/without a gi. Further more, if you actually knew anything you'd know jiu jitsu isn't really about submissions but about posltioning and control. You don't have those, no subs. I had the guy's back and flattened him out, he wasn't going to be pulling a knife.
mma is bullshit boxing is and will be the best art of all i dont care if tony lost this fight i know that tony got piad well to lose this fight but the mma fans wont see that why? becouse thats the way the mma wants it to be for they can keep selling tickets otherwise with out this kind of fights retire boxers have to go to mma to give it a little push and make the poeple think that mma is better than boxing is bull shit mma is just a stupid name. Boxing is and will be the best!
@MrJoesoyuno if you think boxing is so much better then how come no pure boxer has ever won a mma fight? Royce Gracie beat boxer Art Jimmerson at UFC 1 with out even attempting a submission. he tapped out cuz he had no clue what to do on the ground. now 17yrs later Randy Couture beat James Toney with a white belt move. ive tried boxing, almost went golden gloves under Charles Mooney but MMA is way more effective. its the closest thing there is to a REAL fight.
@Tito202301 Ray Mercer vs. Tim Sylvia, the old ass boxer sure kod timmy, but seriously. BOXING IS BOXING, MMA IS MMA 2 different sports, why compare them, we all know in a street fight who ever has a 9mm or a 10 inch knife or more buddies wins, havent seen anybody fight fair in years!, but gotta love both sports.
@TRIPLESIXSICCNESS yea i seen that fight, but Sylvia is a striker too. i think it was a mistake to try and stand with someone who specialty is striking, but also watch mercer vs kimbo. i also know that they are 2 dif sports but the boxing world is the one talking all the trash. saying that MMA isnt real fighting, now ive tried both sports and all the bobbing and weaving isnt very effective when u have to worry about takedowns or leg kicks so in my opinion MMA art of fightin, boxin art of punchin
@MrJoesoyuno Wow, that's ridiculous. Boxers don't even do well in kick boxing where the number of weapons goes from two to four. It's no surprise that they're not going to be able to hang in an MMA match. The stance used in boxing just makes it to easy for an experienced kickboxer to beat their legs into pulp or a grappler to smash them into the mat. They either have to alter their stance and loose even more power (no shoes remember) or get eaten alive. Bad news either way.
@americannohbuddy - vitor belfort went into pro boxing and knocked the guy out in the first round so you cant say mma fighters wont cope with boxing !
@beaucubis quiet fool...where do u think mma fighters learn ther punches... sure as hell not by watchin some movies and shit, but ur right..we shouldnt compare..but then again, pure boxers should stay the fuck out of the octagon and stop the shit talking..... STRIGHT UP.
@CondemnedPhury predictable you obviously have no idea of what boxing is, so just dont post! its always the same thing wit u mma guys, an mma guy will kick the shot out of a boxer, no shit its mma for fuck sake. its different rules. Same way a boxer would kill an mma figher in boxing. is Kobe bryant gonna beat Roger Federer in a tennis match, noooooooo. its two different sports for fuck sake. so how is a boxer losing in an mma match make him a loser or any inferiror to an mma athelete?
@TheDannyboy55 MMA is the sport of figthing while boxing is the sport of punching who has more advantage a guy that knows how to punch,kick,use elbows, knees and also knows how to take you to the floor and rape you there or a guy that the only thing he knows is to punch?
@TheDannyboy55 ok so if the boxer knows that theres different ruls why dont they just stay the fuck out of the OCTAGON and stay in there lil bitch ass ring??? and another thing...if ur a boxer and u get in a fight on the street i guess ur screwed...cause u dont know how to kick the knife away or anything....i think id rather MMA......plus boxing is number one fuckin thing in mma...how els is a fighter gonna fight? and a mma fighter would not get owned in a boxing ring. FACT
@yoonhapki bro i dont think anyone hear is listening to your ignorance, and thats because ur not listening to my argument. im saying their two diff sports. So an mma fighter would own a boxer in mma, but ur saying an mma fighter would not get owned in boxing. Wow i just proved my point. First of all boxing is not the most important thing in mma, its wrestling and jiu jitsu. Why do u think grapplers prevails in mma. u need to come to the table ready to present reasonable arguments not bullshit.
Um sorry but if you put any MMA fighter in a boxing ring in a boxing match, they'd lose. You want to put someone like Couture in a boxing match against a Klitchko?
Same thing for other sports too. Michael Jordan played baseball, and sucked horribly at it. MMA fighters might train boxing, but they don't actually do it as a pro.
this wasn't about a street fight. And besides, you don't "box" in a street right. It ends up with guys grabbing at each others clothes and shit. Plus one of them could have a knife or have a bunch of friends to come and help. You go for a "submission" in a street fight? The guy goes for your eyes or pulls out a weapon.
@AmericanNohbuddy That might be a fundamental difference between me and you, I'm smart enough not to get in a fight with several people at once. But there are way too many variables in your question to answer it. What kind of weapon? How determined are they? How many are there? Are you yourself armed? Are you alone? If not, who is with you? What do they want? Is it worth getting severely beaten or killed over? Et cetera, et cetera.
I never said I was in a fight. I'm saying in reality, and from various video footage and such, it happens. Like I said in my original comment that you responded to, he could have a knife. You never know if there could be a group of guys that jump you and rob you. Acting tough because you train MMA and can take on anyone is laughable given various variables.
You go for a choke on a guy and he pulls out a knife and stabs you in your torso.
@AmericanNohbuddy Klitschko ( Vitali) has kickboxing background too.If he use this skills in addition with his boxing, will be a very interesting fight.But using just boxing will be not enough against Cro Cop.Using kickboxing as well i think will be not enough against Cro Cop if he use grappling as well.
Shut the fuck up lol, getting knocked out like Don Frye did against a 50 year old boxing coach is embarrassing, Benji Radach getting KO'd by a street fighter is embarrasing. Both guys have an equal chance, of course you're going to be able to submit someone if you're laying on them, it's a pussy move and you refuse to acknowledge that, you're basically saying to the other guy that you know you'd get knocked the fuck out if you tried to trade with them.
And if you really understood the depth in boxing, it's crazy deep. Comparing James Toney to someone like Wlad Klitschko is equivalent to comparing a high school basketball player to Lebron James or Michael Jordan. Hell, this is the WEAKEST HW division boxing has ever had. In boxing you're competing with literally a thousand guys in a single weight class and to move forward you have to beat whoever is ranked ahead of you.
Dana wanted Floyd, but when Kermit stepped up and offered to take the fight Dana didn't say shit!
Getting knocked out is more embarrassing, when you're on your feet getting your ass whooped both men have equal chances. If Rogers, Carwin, and Lesnar could be good fighters then so can boxers cause everyone's stand up in the UFC is shit, both their technique, their footwork, their hand speed/power, and their weak ass chins as well.
JT couldn't get any fights in boxing because he was out pricing himself, he was desperate for a fight and wanted to make money. Dana is a bitch, he didn't want Cintron because Cintron has a wrestling background, he was a very good wrestler and he's an athletic freak, any sport he tries he excels in. Getting your ass kicked is getting knocked out, not submitted lol.
Both Klits are massive and could break bones with just their jabs, they also have backgrounds in kickboxing.
JT is a 42 year old, brain damaged (literally) boxer with no outside game or footwork and punches like a middle weight. The last time he was any good was when he was fighting at 190lbs, and that was when he was on roids. He can't even produce that much testosterone because his pituitary gland is damaged.
Let's see Klitschko fight, I guarantee he'd dominate MMA. Cintron wanted to fight but that bitch Dana didn't want him to because he knew he'd kick his fighters' asses.
@CondemmedPhury James Toney hasnt won a championship in a long time. Randy couture is still a beast at MMA while James Toney is well past his prime in boxing. if boxers learn how to defend a take down and learn how to get out of submission tell me whos gonna win. i'm here to defend boxing. I like both sports.
I kinda disagree. I mean if its with a boxing glove, then yea elbows and such are better. But a jab or punch with bare knuckles EXTEMELY increases the damage a simple jab can do. Not to mention that the jab is the fastest strike (am I correct?).
@badasssssss im not gunna argue with you geez and its only pay tv if i wana go pay tv i would go n pay for tv u idiot but im here sitting on my pc now so.... i rather sit here n thats all.go and wear your espn underwear over yor pants n call yorself ESPN_MANNN shit n tell u sister i said thx
a wrestler can beat a boxer any day of the week. its sad toney trained for nine months and still couldnt even get a shot in, he's a joke, he was tough while he was talkin, and randy just played it cool and didnt talk any trash. thats what you get for runnung your mouth.... THE SOUTH WILL RISE AGAIN yeeee haaaawwwwww
@elexafm Couture would lose. But that's not the point, James tony was talking trash about MMA and Couture. Said that a Boxer is a better fighter then a MMA fighter. Couture proved him wrong.
if he stood with toney he wouldve lost. people call boxers one technique fighters, but so are many mixed martial artists. GSP, Couture, Lesnar, evans, Maia, etc. All they know what to do, is grapple. Only a few mma fighters can be considered true strikers. when is the last time Couture has knocked somebody out cold on his feet. He is just a wrestler.
@mrKANYEwes Don't be sore about this. The reason why MMA people enjoyed this fight is because James Toney was acting like a ass. However, this will be the outcome 80% of the time. If you don't believe me, go back and watch the original UFC with Gracie. The moment you start to learn take down defense, your no longer a boxer your a MMA fighter, and you have to learn take down defense to stop a wrestler.
james toney only had "1" good fight! just 1! and he lost it to roy jones.
the only people that made him sound like he was a bad ass fighter were the ufc promoters to make money.
like i said
ray beat tim, nobody cared
randy beats james, u get his name tattoo'd on ur ass.
dont act like u kno, ur not a fighter, ur just a gamer, i bet u think boxing is all about punches. i also bet u dont even kno y james gained weight huh......
@mrKANYEwes Where is all of this is coming from? Me not knowing anything? As there was nothing that I said was wrong. I never said James Toney was good, I did say that a boxer would lose the Majority of the fights with a MMA Fighter. Something that has been proven in through out history. So what I said was a fact. I also said, that a Boxer would have to learn take down defense....which is true because if you don't know how to stop a take down...you go to your back and your punches mean nothing.
@mrKANYEwes Yes I did, IN a mma were anything is allowed. The MMA fighter will win the majority of the time. If you noticed what I said in earlyer comments, I said randy would lose a fight if it was boxing rules. Why because the simple fact of the matter is boxing targets a specific type of fighting. Yes there many styles (stops the bitching before it starts). Yes it more then throwing a punch, it's foot work, it angels, it rolling with the bunch, it how counter, how open up your opponent.
@mrKANYEwes So Yes in a MMA ring, where you have to defend more of your body, fight off your back, stop submissions, leg kicks, take downs. They will usually lose...
@mrKANYEwes I believe it is 17-2? Though I am really interested in your point. I sure as hell hope you not going to tell me he doesn't know how to stop a take down, or knows how to fend off a submission attempt. Because I hope you realize that instantly makes him a MMA fighter. He is no longer a boxer once he is forced to learn a art that is taught outside of boxing. As boxing does not teach you any of that, and thus you become a Mix Martial Artist when you learn...Because you Mix arts...
mastering the hands, and leg work, movement! 3 aspects right there.
pple seem to forget that its not just all about punching.
if it wasnt, it'll probally be just called punching.
the point im trying to make is that it isnt really the technuiqe that matters, but the fighter himself. and u never answered my question on y james gained weight
@mrKANYEwes Not once did I ever say boxing was just about punching. I will explain what MMA means. Mixed Martial Arts....is a mix of martial arts. Boxing is a martial art, it teach a certain pattern of movements, certain technique. Okays So now that we understand Boxing is a Art form. We also have to understand Kick Boxing is a Martial Art as well, or Wrestling.....which ever you prefers. Each is different in it's own right, each teach you to do certain things.
@TherianGamer490 Continue Kick boxing shows, you just as much as boxing but focuses on kicking, and knee strikes. Wrestling tend to focus on something called a ground game (sure hope you know what that is .......~coughs~ ). Any who...often times when you step into the ufc or other places like the ufc. You mix theses arts and then become a mixed martial artist. Someone who uses a variety of techniques. So a Boxer with Take down defense is a MMA fighter. BTW Yes I knew, follows that fight closely.
altho u are right about james talking trash, but thats all set up to build up the fight. muhamid ali did it all the time. ufc wanted it to, it gave them a shit load of money
@mrKANYEwes (continued Post) So Yes please enlighten me....What I said was wrong. Wait you can't because nothing I said was wrong. So please don't insinuate that I know nothing when I said nothing wrong. Again you are showing your taking this loss sorely. If you didn't care about this fight, why waste your time talking about why it meant nothing?
Lokk at match between Ali and Inoki.Every time Inoki tries to get a hold of Ali he is out of trouble..This was Ali from 1976 and people knowing about Ali understands how far pass his prime he was in 1976. Ali said that if he had fought Forman in with his style from the 60`s he would not get hit.He would use his feets for 15 rounds.He couldn`t do that after 1970 and had to change his style to more flatffoted because the speed wasen`t there no more. He was still quick but not like in the 60`s.
Sorry. I sparred as the wrestler against the striker but had huge problems to catch this fast moving fighter using the Ali style. Its not that easy to rush in and get a hold against a fighter knowing how to use his feets and hands..Thats very dangoures. If the grappler tries the attack of Randy against Toney a fast boxer knowing to move back would easy get out of the way. Toney just stood there like a statue. Couture was slow and would not have done it against against Ali.Not a chance..
@specialforces69 and how am i the stupid one when i hit you with some facts and im sorry but your wrong mma gloves do not protect your hands at all they prevent cuts from happening fast in the fight hands dont brake easy i love that i tell you when boxing gloves where invented and you still have the stupidity to try and argue listen go watch tennis cause you dont know shit about fighting or the history of the sports you bore me
MegaMma4life 4 months ago
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@specialforces69 The modern boxing glove was invented in 1743, the brainchild of Englishman Jack Broughton. But Broughton's gloves, or mufflers as they were then known, were at the time only used for sparring; Broughton used to instruct men in self-defence, at an arena he erected on the Tottenham Court Road, and he used his mufflers to 'effectively secure pupils from the inconvenience of black eyes, broken noses and bloody jaws' thats the first boxing glove ever idk where you get your info
MegaMma4life 4 months ago
@specialforces69 your retarded you know shit about this subject wtf does god have to do with anything do me and the rest of the world a favor and shut up cause your stupid the mma glove was created for same reason cuts its not for hand protection dumb asshole
MegaMma4life 4 months ago
@specialforces69 do you need help with anything else Lewis served 2 years of a six-year sentence for assault, conspiracy, tampering with a sports contest and criminal possession of a deadly weapon (Resto's fists
MegaMma4life 4 months ago
@specialforces69 Today, the weight of gloves has increased, for safety reasons, and now varies between eight and 10 ounces. In 1983 Luis Resto, a journeyman junior-middleweight, proved how dangerous fighting with an unpadded glove could be when he adminstered a terrible beating to the previously undefeated Billy Collins. After the fight it was discovered, by Collins's father, that Resto's trainer, Panama Lewis had removed much of the padding from his charge's gloves with a tweezer.
MegaMma4life 4 months ago
@specialforces69 have you ever been in a fight do you even know how to fight you brake your hand if you dont know how to throw a punch properly and its not the hand that brakes its usually your thumb anytime you want to say sorry im all ears
MegaMma4life 4 months ago
@specialforces69 Gloves became mandatory when the Marquis of Queensbury Rules were drafted in 1865, and officially adopted in 1892. Mostly the gloves would be skintight rather than padded, and only weighing two ounces. Skintight gloves remained popular until the turn of the century - the last two-ounce bout took place on 22 May 1903, between Jimmy Briggs and Tony Daly no protection for the hand skin tight it was for cuts
MegaMma4life 4 months ago
@specialforces69 ps ill take 1 million dollars
MegaMma4life 4 months ago
@specialforces69 you must have pussy hands
MegaMma4life 4 months ago
@specialforces69 i have been in many street fights never once did my hands swell or brake also when i played hockey i fought and broke face cages off helmets with my bare hand im 25 have taken boxing since i was fucking 10 i know the history dont try to compete with me im a guy who studys fighing
MegaMma4life 4 months ago
@specialforces69 The modern boxing glove was invented in 1743, the brainchild of Englishman Jack Broughton. But Broughton's gloves, or mufflers as they were then known, were at the time only used for sparring; Broughton used to instruct men in self-defence, at an arena he erected on the Tottenham Court Road, and he used his mufflers to 'effectively secure pupils from the inconvenience of black eyes, broken noses and bloody jaws' pay me now
MegaMma4life 4 months ago
@specialforces69 mma gloves where brought in to make the sport appear safer yes but it has nothing to do with protecting your hands its to prevent cuts and in boxing it was to make fights last longer do they protect hands yes its a fucking padded glove was that there original purpose NO
MegaMma4life 4 months ago
@specialforces69 mma gloves were brought in to mma so fighters wouldnt get cuts so the fights last alittle longer and gloves where brought in to boxing so that more punchs would be thrown to make fights more entertaining has nothing to do with protecting the hands
MegaMma4life 5 months ago
Of course the gloves are meant to protect the hands, god damn stupid inbred mother-fucking idiots, how can a person be so dumb to the point of doubting it?
GustZgamer 6 months ago
@specialforces69 Of course, but i think at boxing the gloves are meant for both, look at the fucking size of those gloves
GustZgamer 6 months ago
Anyone who's been in a fight knows how much it fucking hurts to break your hand and it basically takes you out of the fight. That's why there are gloves u morons.
riojurkin 7 months ago
@riojurkin (^_^)
1029Itachi 7 months ago
@riojurkin your wrong its to make fighters throw more punchs boxing gloves where brought in so fighters throw more and in mma its to prevent nasty cuts has nothing to do with protecting there hands and the raps are there to make there hands harder so you actually feel the punchs
MegaMma4life 5 months ago
If Phoney spent as much time talking shit about Randy as he did preparing for his fight and working on his groundgame us fans may have actually seen a second round.
FatGuyInLitlCoat 8 months ago
@specialforces69 you clueless monkey ass kneegrow, the gloves are on to protect the other person's face you idiotic fuck, with no gloves you will get cut immediately, have you ever been in a fight?
Google the shit before you open up that cock holster you call mouth
neonsector 9 months ago
@neonsector No. The primary use of gloves is to protect the hands.
Iololz 9 months ago
@Iololz wrong
MegaMma4life 5 months ago
@neonsector Nah mate, they are to protect your knuckles. 6lb gloves arn't protecting anyones face, the banning of 12 to 6 elbows was implemented to protect the face from slicing. If you tear your knuckles up in the first round you will lose in the second.
Dandramere 8 months ago
@Dandramere actualy the gloves were implimented to protect the opponents face from the bare knuckles wich has same effect as the elbow (not as bad tho) its bone on bone and causes cuts, it wasnt until these gloves came into play that fighters began to relise it was infact protecting them from breaking knuckles wich in turn means you can deal more damage to pponents, so originaly was to protect the face
wkaine88 7 months ago
@wkaine88 The knuckles are dull, the elbow is sharp. That is why 12-6 are banned. Gloves stop the fighter messing his knuckles up, you ever hit someone and sliced them open?
Dandramere 7 months ago
@Dandramere not sliced coz like i sed they not as bad as an elbow but yes knuckles do cause cuts to the face and the fact is that is y gloves were brought into ufc coz they were going to ban the sport so they had to make changes and the gloves were 1 of them and wen they wanted to ban it, it was not coz ppl were breaking knuckles, its coz the sport was bare knuckle and they feared the image this was putting out to the public so thats y gloves were originaly brought into mma
wkaine88 7 months ago
@wkaine88 Gloves were always optional, several early UFC fighters used them to stop them cutting up their knuckles, if you think gloves stop punches from opening your face up then think again, if gloves protected the face so much then eyebrow gashes and head splits would have stopped, fact is if you pound on a guys skull your knuckles go first, once your knuckles go, which they will when fighting bare fist the doctor has to stop it.
Dandramere 7 months ago
@Dandramere yes i kno this, i kno how much the gloves protect the hand, i also kno cuts still happen and im not debating this fact, my point is that this was not the sole perpous for bringing gloves into mma, look man all you hav to do is look into the history of mma and find out why they had to start making rules and y the gloves were 1 of them and y now u dont hav that option to wear them, ther was even a tv program made on the whole subject
wkaine88 7 months ago
@Dandramere your partly right and partly wrong the glove beleive it or not dont alow cuts as easy has nothing to do with breaking your hand is has to do with cuts and throwing more punchs most cuts in mma happen from elbows
MegaMma4life 5 months ago
@MegaMma4life GLoves don't protect you from broken hands that much, they protect you from cutting your knuckles up. If you punch a guy hard enough however bare fist, your hand can break pretty easily, especially at what rate these guys are punching. My point was that gloves protect the knuckles, not the one they are punching.
Dandramere 5 months ago
@Dandramere i understand what your saying but my thought is why they where brought in to begin with and it had nothing to do with breaking your hand and actually its very hard to break your hand you can break bricks and shit with your hands
MegaMma4life 5 months ago
@MegaMma4life That's retarded. That's like saying helmets were invented to stop players from getting cuts on their head and not for concussions.
riojurkin 5 months ago
@MegaMma4life I never said it was anything to do with breaking your hand, people break breaks with the outside of their hand, also brick is softer than your bone, when you're hitting someone you are hitting solid bone.
Dandramere 5 months ago
@neonsector couldnt say it better myself they were brought in to stop cuts from happening so fast and also to make fighters throw more but more so for cuts
MegaMma4life 5 months ago
Hard for toney to be in over his head whene it is so big,damn that fatass washed up boxer was cocky.
thegame2011able 11 months ago
Give me a thumbs up, before I cut your balls of with a rusty spoon!
jagdjohn96 11 months ago
@AwesomeRC i am aware of that. however, based on sports sciences comments, it seems they would. that is why sports science should not be taken seriously. its not science.
hustleboy62 11 months ago
hahaha ufc is so gay
jason23189 1 year ago
@jason23189 ha ha probably but those guys will beat you up even the gay ones ----they'll kick your ass and then rape you
angelbuzz123 1 year ago
@AwesomeRC im an idiot? you don't even understand basic physics. force = mass x velocity. The statement sports science made took into account the mass and speed of the truck.
hustleboy62 1 year ago
I had £1,000 on Toney winning by Gogoplata. Damn it.
stratocaster1986able 1 year ago
dude toney didn't trew one punch... rematch?... hahaha cmon dude. And a pro bokser dominating a greek-roman wrestler (from his back).
must be a lonely world you're living in!
david0ffxxx 1 year ago
@david0ffxxx Toney was pwning couture from his back, even got in a triangle attempt but the referee stopped the fight too early he didnt even tap, couture got lucky
dohertyz 1 year ago
@dohertyz lmao funny!
psycho26shon 1 year ago
@dohertyz Not sure if srs.
Malk64 10 months ago
mma is far harder than boxing, no disrespect to boxers at all, most boxers have better BOXING than mma fighter, but in mma you have to watch for soo mutch ch stuff, takedowns, kicks, when you get taken down, you have to watch for passes, groundn pound, subs, have to try and get back up or sub them or sweep em, i love boxing, but to say boxing is "a real mans sport" and mma isnt... then i just ask you to fight a person who has well rounded skills in mixed martial arts.
xXLingunXx 1 year ago
@xXLingunXx "mma is far harder than boxing" as a fan and fighter in both sports, i can safely say that that statement is incorrect. Sure you have to have a rounded skill base in MMA, but the level of trauma you face in MMA is no where near that in boxing. In boxing a fighter can expect to face several hundred blows to the head during a fight. That sort of punishment is unheard of in MMA, hence the reason as to why boxing has such a high death rate and MMA has never had a death.
hustleboy62 1 year ago
@hustleboy62 we both know what you just said is untrue. the only reason boxing is dangerous, not more harder which mma has a huge advantage in especially with knees and elbows, is that the gloves boxers wear have padding in them and thus a punch that would normally knock someone out is padded upon impact lessening the "sting " of it! fact. boxing has nothing on the trauma faced in mma! again only reason why is because of the gloves allowing an opponent to get hit more. in mma its over quick!
psycho26shon 1 year ago
@psycho26shon you don't seem to understand it do you. the only thing padding does is prevent cuts. THE FORCE IS STILL THERE. cuts can be stitched up in 2 minutes. Brain damage is for life. Even MMA fighters have stated that boxing is the more physical sport. The amount of head trauma seen in boxing is unheard of MMA. In some boxing fights a boxer may experience over 1000 blows to the head (e.g. gatti vs ward). Lesnar took about 10, and they weren't even hard hits.
hustleboy62 1 year ago
@hustleboy62 negative. those gloves pad the blow. which is why when sports science did "who hits harder" an mma person hit harder then a heavyweight boxer psi! fact. so i do agree with you about the standing 8 count coupled with the padding of the gloves actually allows a boxer to take more punishment which in mma that person would be knocked out already. name one mma practitioner who said boxing is a more physical sport. 1,000 to the head doesnt make it more savage. eat a kick to the face:)
psycho26shon 1 year ago
@psycho26shon youtube won't allow me to post the links to the videos of UFC fighters stating boxing is more dangerous, so i will send them to you.
hustleboy62 1 year ago
@hustleboy62 cause their is not video lol but common sense tells you that getting punched in the head for 12 2 min rounds is alot more dangerouse then getting shutt off or choked i have seen mma fights wear a punch isnt thrown so yea boxing is more dangerouse because its consistant head contact
MegaMma4life 11 months ago
@psycho26shon I find it hilarious how you're taking sports science seriously though. Sports science is not science. It's a tv show. They're notorious for exaggerating results and for bias. UFC is one of their main sponsors. Naturally they will show bias towards MMA. I remember once they said an american footballer hit as hard as a truck travelling at 35mph. If i drove my truck at 35mph into that footballer, who do you think would come off better?
hustleboy62 1 year ago
@hustleboy62 i agree with you that only and only of these two things in boxing makes it more dangerous. ive stated it before hand in a previous reply lol the techniques arent more dangerous and savage its the repeated blows that they sustain due to the gloves and 8 count, where as in mma the same blow would knock you out. plain and simple then match is done. thats the reason boxing is more dangerous, not because of techniques thrown. u go to a lighter weight glove and ko's happen.
psycho26shon 1 year ago
@psycho26shon
the most dangerous aspect of boxing is the fact that they have an 8 second count. In MMA, when a fighter goes to the ground it ends relatively quickly. In boxing a fighter could be concussed numerous times and still be able to stand up and get a beating, effectively killing his brain (assuming he can stand for 8 seconds). Why do you think boxing continues to have over 20 deaths every year (much lower since they brought in head gear) yet MMA has never had a death?
hustleboy62 1 year ago
James Toney was dominating until he got caught
dohertyz 1 year ago
@dohertyz hahahaha have you even seen the "fight"
david0ffxxx 1 year ago
@david0ffxxx James Toney was outstriking him on the feet and dominating from his back and then he just got caught, I say rematch
dohertyz 1 year ago
@dohertyz are u on crack,when did he strike him at all to outstrike him,dominated him from his back? against randy couture lol u got no idea wt u on bout
afshin021 1 year ago
@afshin021 you're just mad cos toney was pwning couture, dana wont do a rematch cos he knows toney will win and embarrass him, toney was absolutely pwning couture from his back
dohertyz 1 year ago
@dohertyz lol dts y he tapped out in less than 3 mins with a amatuer college move ok
afshin021 1 year ago
@afshin021 Nah, he got caught like Fedor did, Toney was throwing elbows at Couture from his back and pwning him on the scorecards but he just got caught
dohertyz 1 year ago
@dohertyz Lmao he was tapping from punches and tried to fake it
lilsm555 1 year ago
@lilsm555 Nah he was scrambling
dohertyz 1 year ago
Yeah... sure you are Mcdade89. I can't stand these wannabe goofballs on Youtube who say "Oh, I fight in MMA, & blah blah blah!" Give me a break, if you fight in Mixed Martial Arts, why don't you post a few videos of your fights? Because you're a liar. Point Blank. Anyways, we all knew Randy would make him tap in Round 1. If a boxer steps into MMA without the proper training, he gets owned everytime. Same thing: if a Mixed Martial Artist steps into a boxing ring, he's going down. Durr...
RayKrunk 1 year ago
randy did the right thing but i would have loved to seen a little boxing.... i wouldnt been able to sprawl on that single even if i saw it coming...
hofferman132 1 year ago
if they changed sports would ray robinson beat gsp in ufc? would lesnar beat tyson at boxing ? would michael jordan beat tiger woods at golf? would tony hawk beat matt hoffman in bmx? imo NOO.buuuut there all still worldclass athletes in there own domains pretty fucking simple to figure out.
Wilksy139 1 year ago
@Wilksy139
MMA and Boxing are different sports, but Boxing is a part of MMA so people need to stop acting like it's comparing a Basketball player to a footballer or golfer.
godofthisshit 1 year ago
as being a an mma fighter i'd have to say i've trained boxing this entire year and i can safly say it's harder to box than it is fight mma mentally. Hear me out all you have are hands you know its a pnch that's coming but when and where?? The speed and angles it's alot harder than you think. Like i said i'm a cage fighter too this was a straight year study.
mcdade89 1 year ago 2
@mcdade89 its easier for me
ageeeeeeeeee 1 year ago
@mcdade89 the same thing could be said about kicks and takedowns and submissions
forgotyoured 1 year ago
Before boxers even think of stepping into a cage, I'd like to see a world class boxer go up against a world class Muay Thai fighter. There's so many aspects of the standup game alone that a pure boxer has never been exposed to: Knees, elbows, feet, shins, clinch control, clinch striking. A boxing stance usually makes them more vulnerable to leg kicks since more weight is put on the lead leg. But you see what happens when an MMA boxer like Tim Sylvia boxes a boxer
Billy7ue32 1 year ago
@Billy7ue32 dude i have seen your same message 5 or 6 times lol, its cool your posting but at least change it up a bit
ling1ing 1 year ago
@Billy7ue32 well some good boxers entered the k-1 ring (without elbows), francois botha fought i think 14 times in k-1, lost 10 fights, won 2 fights due injurie, briggs fought once but against a mma wrestler... fight wasnt too long..., it is maybe even harder for boxers to fight under kickboxing rules than in mma
UsernameAKvsM 1 year ago
@Billy7ue32 your a fucking idiot!!! shannon briggs went into K-1 and won. Boxers are the elitist. BOXING IS THE HARDEST SPORT TO LEARN!! Reason so, they dont have boxing as a class you can take in school. ITS A REAL MANS SPORT!!
PharaohII 1 year ago
@PharaohII Alistair Overeem went into K-1 as well and won as well and he is an MMA fighter
forgotyoured 1 year ago
@PharaohII Boxing is a real man's sport? haha How bout this I'm willing to agree to disagree with you. If you still wanna argue your point I have a whole lot more to say on the matter
Billy7ue32 1 year ago
i like stephan bonnar lol. He's funny
ryonsu15 1 year ago
randy could not afford to bang with toney so ya god job duckin that punch randy HAHAHA
cinna71 1 year ago
...ah, sorry, he can be beaten by another boxer :)
vaggoner 1 year ago
nobody can beat a boxer in a boxing match...it is their speciality...no way
vaggoner 1 year ago
@vaggoner u dont kno that.
dromezz 1 year ago
@vaggoner
There are some mma fighters who punch harder than boxers.
Lyingaboutmyage 1 year ago
@Lyingaboutmyage yhh cain v got alot harder punch than james toney on sports sceince
LIGHTNINGLEVIS 1 year ago
@Lyingaboutmyage
i have seen that...Cain is one of them, Jackson Rampage was another one.My idea was an mma fighter vs an elite boxer just boxing in pure boxing form (no grapp and hit, no elbows...just boxing rules).It will be very difficult for any other fighter, while boxing is the only thing that boxers do.But who knows...there could be surprises.
vaggoner 1 year ago
@vaggoner
The problem is that boxers stand a certain way and hit a certain way because they don't have to worry about getting taken down or getting kicked. An MMA fighter doesn't have that luxury.
Lyingaboutmyage 1 year ago
@vaggoner
In the end, it's really hard to compare.
Lyingaboutmyage 1 year ago
...i think is much to much to say that boxing would be everything you'll need.
vaggoner 1 year ago
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benjamintheblue 1 year ago
@benjamintheblue it's not just about BJJ, it's about knee and elbow strikes, kicks and stuff.Couture is one of the MMA fighters more oriented for wrestling, perhaps he could beat almost anyone on the street one to one.He can strike as well, so perhaps with 2 would work too (to hit the first and having then just an opponent.With more opponents will be very difficult for him i think.But if you speak about Bas Rutten, Alistair Overeem or a K1 like Badr Hari i am sure you will not be dissaponted
vaggoner 1 year ago
@benjamintheblue
Have you ever thrown a kick with sneakers on in a street fight? You can fuck someone up.
Lyingaboutmyage 1 year ago
watch 'Randy Couture Comments After UFC 118 Win Over James Toney ' on youtube and Randy sez the EXACT OPPOSITE to Evans!!!! He said its the easiest shot for good grapplers to counter koz its so far away they can see it! I'll back Randy
mrjordantime 1 year ago
who the hell is that guy on the left? does he even know about mma
julian22arreola 1 year ago
I've been in six street fights in my life and they've always been me against another guy. Sorry, but 'gang members' don't just stand around waiting to ambush grown men. If they wait in ambush at all, and I've never seen it, best to go after old men and women because they're easier marks. But...maybe I should have gone pussy and let that girl continue to get the shit beat out of her. Maybe you're right.
Nater245689 1 year ago
You go for a "submission" in a street fight? The guy goes for your eyes or pulls out a weapon. I was just responding to this nonsense. I don't act tough, I don't train MMA.. I did BJJ with/without a gi. Further more, if you actually knew anything you'd know jiu jitsu isn't really about submissions but about posltioning and control. You don't have those, no subs. I had the guy's back and flattened him out, he wasn't going to be pulling a knife.
Nater245689 1 year ago
mma is bullshit boxing is and will be the best art of all i dont care if tony lost this fight i know that tony got piad well to lose this fight but the mma fans wont see that why? becouse thats the way the mma wants it to be for they can keep selling tickets otherwise with out this kind of fights retire boxers have to go to mma to give it a little push and make the poeple think that mma is better than boxing is bull shit mma is just a stupid name. Boxing is and will be the best!
MrJoesoyuno 1 year ago
@MrJoesoyuno if you think boxing is so much better then how come no pure boxer has ever won a mma fight? Royce Gracie beat boxer Art Jimmerson at UFC 1 with out even attempting a submission. he tapped out cuz he had no clue what to do on the ground. now 17yrs later Randy Couture beat James Toney with a white belt move. ive tried boxing, almost went golden gloves under Charles Mooney but MMA is way more effective. its the closest thing there is to a REAL fight.
Tito202301 1 year ago
@Tito202301 Ray Mercer vs. Tim Sylvia, the old ass boxer sure kod timmy, but seriously. BOXING IS BOXING, MMA IS MMA 2 different sports, why compare them, we all know in a street fight who ever has a 9mm or a 10 inch knife or more buddies wins, havent seen anybody fight fair in years!, but gotta love both sports.
TRIPLESIXSICCNESS 1 year ago
@TRIPLESIXSICCNESS yea i seen that fight, but Sylvia is a striker too. i think it was a mistake to try and stand with someone who specialty is striking, but also watch mercer vs kimbo. i also know that they are 2 dif sports but the boxing world is the one talking all the trash. saying that MMA isnt real fighting, now ive tried both sports and all the bobbing and weaving isnt very effective when u have to worry about takedowns or leg kicks so in my opinion MMA art of fightin, boxin art of punchin
Tito202301 1 year ago
@MrJoesoyuno Wow, that's ridiculous. Boxers don't even do well in kick boxing where the number of weapons goes from two to four. It's no surprise that they're not going to be able to hang in an MMA match. The stance used in boxing just makes it to easy for an experienced kickboxer to beat their legs into pulp or a grappler to smash them into the mat. They either have to alter their stance and loose even more power (no shoes remember) or get eaten alive. Bad news either way.
Nater245689 1 year ago
@americannohbuddy - vitor belfort went into pro boxing and knocked the guy out in the first round so you cant say mma fighters wont cope with boxing !
oritemast 1 year ago
@beaucubis quiet fool...where do u think mma fighters learn ther punches... sure as hell not by watchin some movies and shit, but ur right..we shouldnt compare..but then again, pure boxers should stay the fuck out of the octagon and stop the shit talking..... STRIGHT UP.
yoonhapki 1 year ago
@CondemnedPhury predictable you obviously have no idea of what boxing is, so just dont post! its always the same thing wit u mma guys, an mma guy will kick the shot out of a boxer, no shit its mma for fuck sake. its different rules. Same way a boxer would kill an mma figher in boxing. is Kobe bryant gonna beat Roger Federer in a tennis match, noooooooo. its two different sports for fuck sake. so how is a boxer losing in an mma match make him a loser or any inferiror to an mma athelete?
TheDannyboy55 1 year ago
@TheDannyboy55 MMA is the sport of figthing while boxing is the sport of punching who has more advantage a guy that knows how to punch,kick,use elbows, knees and also knows how to take you to the floor and rape you there or a guy that the only thing he knows is to punch?
juljalala 1 year ago
@TheDannyboy55 ok so if the boxer knows that theres different ruls why dont they just stay the fuck out of the OCTAGON and stay in there lil bitch ass ring??? and another thing...if ur a boxer and u get in a fight on the street i guess ur screwed...cause u dont know how to kick the knife away or anything....i think id rather MMA......plus boxing is number one fuckin thing in mma...how els is a fighter gonna fight? and a mma fighter would not get owned in a boxing ring. FACT
yoonhapki 1 year ago
@yoonhapki bro i dont think anyone hear is listening to your ignorance, and thats because ur not listening to my argument. im saying their two diff sports. So an mma fighter would own a boxer in mma, but ur saying an mma fighter would not get owned in boxing. Wow i just proved my point. First of all boxing is not the most important thing in mma, its wrestling and jiu jitsu. Why do u think grapplers prevails in mma. u need to come to the table ready to present reasonable arguments not bullshit.
TheDannyboy55 1 year ago
@yoonhapki
Um sorry but if you put any MMA fighter in a boxing ring in a boxing match, they'd lose. You want to put someone like Couture in a boxing match against a Klitchko?
Same thing for other sports too. Michael Jordan played baseball, and sucked horribly at it. MMA fighters might train boxing, but they don't actually do it as a pro.
AmericanNohbuddy 1 year ago
@AmericanNohbuddy in a figt in the street u cant tell somebody just box point blank ufc is better
Quickz951 1 year ago
@Quickz951
this wasn't about a street fight. And besides, you don't "box" in a street right. It ends up with guys grabbing at each others clothes and shit. Plus one of them could have a knife or have a bunch of friends to come and help. You go for a "submission" in a street fight? The guy goes for your eyes or pulls out a weapon.
AmericanNohbuddy 1 year ago
@AmericanNohbuddy That's funny, because the last street fight I got into I choked the guy into dreamland.
Nater245689 1 year ago
@Nater245689
Yes try that with gang members or someone with a weapon and/or backup.
And don't say you went "matrix" on them and took them all out.
AmericanNohbuddy 1 year ago
@AmericanNohbuddy That might be a fundamental difference between me and you, I'm smart enough not to get in a fight with several people at once. But there are way too many variables in your question to answer it. What kind of weapon? How determined are they? How many are there? Are you yourself armed? Are you alone? If not, who is with you? What do they want? Is it worth getting severely beaten or killed over? Et cetera, et cetera.
Nater245689 1 year ago
@Nater245689
I never said I was in a fight. I'm saying in reality, and from various video footage and such, it happens. Like I said in my original comment that you responded to, he could have a knife. You never know if there could be a group of guys that jump you and rob you. Acting tough because you train MMA and can take on anyone is laughable given various variables.
You go for a choke on a guy and he pulls out a knife and stabs you in your torso.
AmericanNohbuddy 1 year ago
@AmericanNohbuddy pat barry would destroy any boxer in a ring and so will cro cop
dromezz 1 year ago
@dromezz
How do you KNOW that? Cro Cop vs a Klitchko? Sure...
AmericanNohbuddy 1 year ago
@AmericanNohbuddy Klitschko ( Vitali) has kickboxing background too.If he use this skills in addition with his boxing, will be a very interesting fight.But using just boxing will be not enough against Cro Cop.Using kickboxing as well i think will be not enough against Cro Cop if he use grappling as well.
vaggoner 1 year ago
@vaggoner
We were talking in a straight up boxing match.
AmericanNohbuddy 1 year ago
@AmericanNohbuddy wich klitchko one of them was a kickboxer
dromezz 1 year ago
@CondemnedPhury
Shut the fuck up lol, getting knocked out like Don Frye did against a 50 year old boxing coach is embarrassing, Benji Radach getting KO'd by a street fighter is embarrasing. Both guys have an equal chance, of course you're going to be able to submit someone if you're laying on them, it's a pussy move and you refuse to acknowledge that, you're basically saying to the other guy that you know you'd get knocked the fuck out if you tried to trade with them.
XxHooksxX 1 year ago
@CondemnedPhury
And if you really understood the depth in boxing, it's crazy deep. Comparing James Toney to someone like Wlad Klitschko is equivalent to comparing a high school basketball player to Lebron James or Michael Jordan. Hell, this is the WEAKEST HW division boxing has ever had. In boxing you're competing with literally a thousand guys in a single weight class and to move forward you have to beat whoever is ranked ahead of you.
XxHooksxX 1 year ago
@CondemnedPhury
Dana wanted Floyd, but when Kermit stepped up and offered to take the fight Dana didn't say shit!
Getting knocked out is more embarrassing, when you're on your feet getting your ass whooped both men have equal chances. If Rogers, Carwin, and Lesnar could be good fighters then so can boxers cause everyone's stand up in the UFC is shit, both their technique, their footwork, their hand speed/power, and their weak ass chins as well.
XxHooksxX 1 year ago
@CondemnedPhury
JT couldn't get any fights in boxing because he was out pricing himself, he was desperate for a fight and wanted to make money. Dana is a bitch, he didn't want Cintron because Cintron has a wrestling background, he was a very good wrestler and he's an athletic freak, any sport he tries he excels in. Getting your ass kicked is getting knocked out, not submitted lol.
Both Klits are massive and could break bones with just their jabs, they also have backgrounds in kickboxing.
XxHooksxX 1 year ago
@CondemnedPhury
JT is a 42 year old, brain damaged (literally) boxer with no outside game or footwork and punches like a middle weight. The last time he was any good was when he was fighting at 190lbs, and that was when he was on roids. He can't even produce that much testosterone because his pituitary gland is damaged.
Let's see Klitschko fight, I guarantee he'd dominate MMA. Cintron wanted to fight but that bitch Dana didn't want him to because he knew he'd kick his fighters' asses.
XxHooksxX 1 year ago
Like I said before this fight didn't prove anything even the commentators said that.
gudlukinguy 1 year ago
@CondemmedPhury James Toney hasnt won a championship in a long time. Randy couture is still a beast at MMA while James Toney is well past his prime in boxing. if boxers learn how to defend a take down and learn how to get out of submission tell me whos gonna win. i'm here to defend boxing. I like both sports.
gudlukinguy 1 year ago
and i disagree that wrestlers would beat boxers any day of the week. im also a boxing fan
gudlukinguy 1 year ago
that fight was a circus act to make boxers look bad. I'm an amateur MMA fighter, this fight didnt prove MMA fighters are better than boxing.
gudlukinguy 1 year ago
the jab will always loose to elbows, knees and submissions....sorry fella's... that's just the way it is... Props to Toney for stepping up.
Dlayda 1 year ago
@Dlayda
I kinda disagree. I mean if its with a boxing glove, then yea elbows and such are better. But a jab or punch with bare knuckles EXTEMELY increases the damage a simple jab can do. Not to mention that the jab is the fastest strike (am I correct?).
UncannyRicardo 1 year ago
@UncannyRicardo It is the fastest strike.
tunsiCA94 1 year ago
@badasssssss im not gunna argue with you geez and its only pay tv if i wana go pay tv i would go n pay for tv u idiot but im here sitting on my pc now so.... i rather sit here n thats all.go and wear your espn underwear over yor pants n call yorself ESPN_MANNN shit n tell u sister i said thx
2blaze4eva 1 year ago
a wrestler can beat a boxer any day of the week. its sad toney trained for nine months and still couldnt even get a shot in, he's a joke, he was tough while he was talkin, and randy just played it cool and didnt talk any trash. thats what you get for runnung your mouth.... THE SOUTH WILL RISE AGAIN yeeee haaaawwwwww
ktmridr11 1 year ago
@ktmridr11
all talk was for show to build up the fight
muhammid ali did it all the time.
ufc loved it.
mrKANYEwes 1 year ago
what if they fight with boxing rules?
elexafm 1 year ago
@elexafm Couture would lose. But that's not the point, James tony was talking trash about MMA and Couture. Said that a Boxer is a better fighter then a MMA fighter. Couture proved him wrong.
TherianGamer490 1 year ago
@TherianGamer490 i see, so thats why they fight on MMA rules well he deserve it lol
elexafm 1 year ago
@TherianGamer490 dude maby he would not lose
Kronos360360 1 year ago
if he stood with toney he wouldve lost. people call boxers one technique fighters, but so are many mixed martial artists. GSP, Couture, Lesnar, evans, Maia, etc. All they know what to do, is grapple. Only a few mma fighters can be considered true strikers. when is the last time Couture has knocked somebody out cold on his feet. He is just a wrestler.
TheDannyboy55 1 year ago
this match proves nothing
it only proves that randy couter wanted it more
boxing fans didnt get an orgasm when ray beat tim in one punch like ufc fans did when randy beat james toney
mrKANYEwes 1 year ago
@mrKANYEwes Don't be sore about this. The reason why MMA people enjoyed this fight is because James Toney was acting like a ass. However, this will be the outcome 80% of the time. If you don't believe me, go back and watch the original UFC with Gracie. The moment you start to learn take down defense, your no longer a boxer your a MMA fighter, and you have to learn take down defense to stop a wrestler.
TherianGamer490 1 year ago
@TherianGamer490
u dont know nothing
james toney only had "1" good fight! just 1! and he lost it to roy jones.
the only people that made him sound like he was a bad ass fighter were the ufc promoters to make money.
like i said
ray beat tim, nobody cared
randy beats james, u get his name tattoo'd on ur ass.
dont act like u kno, ur not a fighter, ur just a gamer, i bet u think boxing is all about punches. i also bet u dont even kno y james gained weight huh......
mrKANYEwes 1 year ago
@mrKANYEwes dude ive seen girls at fairground mma fights that could have beat toney
Kronos360360 1 year ago
@Kronos360360 XD
1992lance 1 year ago
@mrKANYEwes Where is all of this is coming from? Me not knowing anything? As there was nothing that I said was wrong. I never said James Toney was good, I did say that a boxer would lose the Majority of the fights with a MMA Fighter. Something that has been proven in through out history. So what I said was a fact. I also said, that a Boxer would have to learn take down defense....which is true because if you don't know how to stop a take down...you go to your back and your punches mean nothing.
TherianGamer490 1 year ago
@TherianGamer490
do you know who Antonio Rogerio Nogueira and Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira are?
they learned bjj just fine!.. no?
OH
what about bj penn!?
mrKANYEwes 1 year ago
@mrKANYEwes I never said a Boxer could never Learn MMA you dimwit. Are you really that stupid? Or do you just like taking what I said out of context?
TherianGamer490 1 year ago
@TherianGamer490
but they were boxers...... no?
and u said " a boxer would lose the Majority of the fights with a MMA Fighter". right?
mrKANYEwes 1 year ago
@mrKANYEwes Yes I did, IN a mma were anything is allowed. The MMA fighter will win the majority of the time. If you noticed what I said in earlyer comments, I said randy would lose a fight if it was boxing rules. Why because the simple fact of the matter is boxing targets a specific type of fighting. Yes there many styles (stops the bitching before it starts). Yes it more then throwing a punch, it's foot work, it angels, it rolling with the bunch, it how counter, how open up your opponent.
TherianGamer490 1 year ago
@mrKANYEwes So Yes in a MMA ring, where you have to defend more of your body, fight off your back, stop submissions, leg kicks, take downs. They will usually lose...
TherianGamer490 1 year ago
@mrKANYEwes (continued post )Also yes they are, at least all but BJ pen. Antonio I know has a medal in amateur boxing.
TherianGamer490 1 year ago
@TherianGamer490
can u tell me antonio's ufc record? i seem to have forgoten.
mrKANYEwes 1 year ago
@mrKANYEwes I believe it is 17-2? Though I am really interested in your point. I sure as hell hope you not going to tell me he doesn't know how to stop a take down, or knows how to fend off a submission attempt. Because I hope you realize that instantly makes him a MMA fighter. He is no longer a boxer once he is forced to learn a art that is taught outside of boxing. As boxing does not teach you any of that, and thus you become a Mix Martial Artist when you learn...Because you Mix arts...
TherianGamer490 1 year ago
@TherianGamer490
boxiing is a mma
mastering the hands, and leg work, movement! 3 aspects right there.
pple seem to forget that its not just all about punching.
if it wasnt, it'll probally be just called punching.
the point im trying to make is that it isnt really the technuiqe that matters, but the fighter himself. and u never answered my question on y james gained weight
mrKANYEwes 1 year ago
@mrKANYEwes Not once did I ever say boxing was just about punching. I will explain what MMA means. Mixed Martial Arts....is a mix of martial arts. Boxing is a martial art, it teach a certain pattern of movements, certain technique. Okays So now that we understand Boxing is a Art form. We also have to understand Kick Boxing is a Martial Art as well, or Wrestling.....which ever you prefers. Each is different in it's own right, each teach you to do certain things.
TherianGamer490 1 year ago
@TherianGamer490 Continue Kick boxing shows, you just as much as boxing but focuses on kicking, and knee strikes. Wrestling tend to focus on something called a ground game (sure hope you know what that is .......~coughs~ ). Any who...often times when you step into the ufc or other places like the ufc. You mix theses arts and then become a mixed martial artist. Someone who uses a variety of techniques. So a Boxer with Take down defense is a MMA fighter. BTW Yes I knew, follows that fight closely.
TherianGamer490 1 year ago
@TherianGamer490
........ u still dont get my point do you
mrKANYEwes 1 year ago
@mrKANYEwes Well yes and no...I get your point James is a pussy and I accept that. But not the other point
TherianGamer490 1 year ago
@mrKANYEwes Fail comment. For delivery, and content.
drsta84 1 year ago
@drsta84
awe man!........ i failed on youtube!?
coming from a guy who dosnt even watch both i bet
mrKANYEwes 1 year ago
@TherianGamer490
altho u are right about james talking trash, but thats all set up to build up the fight. muhamid ali did it all the time. ufc wanted it to, it gave them a shit load of money
mrKANYEwes 1 year ago
@mrKANYEwes tims a fat POS that everyone hates
Kronos360360 1 year ago
@Kronos360360 dumbass was boxing vs RAY MERCER!! lol....
1992lance 1 year ago
@Kronos360360
lol, oh yea, and ray was a slim muscular beast huh.
like i said, james only had 1 good fight, and he lost it to roy jones. every1 knew he was gunna lose. y do u think he gained weight?
mrKANYEwes 1 year ago
@mrKANYEwes (continued Post) So Yes please enlighten me....What I said was wrong. Wait you can't because nothing I said was wrong. So please don't insinuate that I know nothing when I said nothing wrong. Again you are showing your taking this loss sorely. If you didn't care about this fight, why waste your time talking about why it meant nothing?
TherianGamer490 1 year ago
i see alot of people making excuses for a washed up pos talking ape!
fakingroovin 1 year ago
Just noticed this: at 1:03 under TONEY it says, "Losses MMA debut." It would be "loses MMA debut" right?
Beatlesrule123 1 year ago
I was there! The Garden went absolutely CRAZY when he won.
Beatlesrule123 1 year ago
its a hard move to stop is what rashad said, and it is hard to stop
tktaz51 1 year ago
???? low single hard to block??? all u do is step that leg back and catch him..
bmwjvnuk 1 year ago
lol haha james toney u fat fck haha u gotta retire from every thing u think u can do ..u got tap out first round? wtf
master3079 1 year ago
Lokk at match between Ali and Inoki.Every time Inoki tries to get a hold of Ali he is out of trouble..This was Ali from 1976 and people knowing about Ali understands how far pass his prime he was in 1976. Ali said that if he had fought Forman in with his style from the 60`s he would not get hit.He would use his feets for 15 rounds.He couldn`t do that after 1970 and had to change his style to more flatffoted because the speed wasen`t there no more. He was still quick but not like in the 60`s.
jerven200 1 year ago
Sorry. I sparred as the wrestler against the striker but had huge problems to catch this fast moving fighter using the Ali style. Its not that easy to rush in and get a hold against a fighter knowing how to use his feets and hands..Thats very dangoures. If the grappler tries the attack of Randy against Toney a fast boxer knowing to move back would easy get out of the way. Toney just stood there like a statue. Couture was slow and would not have done it against against Ali.Not a chance..
jerven200 1 year ago