So sad and tragic when the people of a nation are held hostage by their governments who do not act in their interests nor in the interest of all people. Such is the story of war. The politicians make the policies, give speeches and thump their chests but the PEOPLE pay the price in blood and treasure. No war will be just until every bullet, every bomb, every tank and plane can determine the mind of it's victim before striking. "White Light, Black Rain" is a film about Hiroshima/Nagasaki.
That's for pearl harbor, and the bataan death march, and the nanking massacre, and the suicide bombing of darwin, and the maternity ward massacre, and the occupation of korea (causing the korean war), and the manilla massacre! And we'll bomb you again for not apologizing!
Well, if America is to blame for all of the bad things on earth, then they are to blame for the good as well. You can't select choice bits of history to fit a personal victim agenda.
YOU CANT COMPARE ANYTHING TO THIS. THIS IS A SYSTEMATIC WAY OF EXTERMINATION. the fact that these weapons were developed and USED gave the possibility FOR THE FIRST TIME EVER,THAT EVERY LIVING ON THIS PLANET COULD BE DESTROYED WITH A PUSH OF A BUTTON!!!!!!. America not only mass murdered thousands of people but planted the seed for any other country to use nuclear weapons for their OWN just cause. HARRY TRUMAN IS THE GREATEST WAR CRIMINAL!!! AMERICA SHOULDN'T PLAY god.
@compooky LOL! Irony- after the Japanese surrender, US Occupation authorities forced hirohito to renounce his divinity. Until 1/1/46, he had been "playing god"
Anyone who thinks that Japan was close to surrender before Hiroshima should read the cables btwn JForMin Togo& JambUSSR Sato. 7/45 Sato argued that J was defeated & could only hope to save Imperial system. Togo rejected that advice.
8/2/45 after Sato asked for j peace terms, Togo refused/declined to state them.
The Strategic Bomber offensive killed a couple hundred thousand Japanese civilians, and a great many MORE German civilians. So, should we have let Europe remain under the Nazi yoke?
You call it genocide- rather ironic, since after the surrenders, US food shipments were feeding Japanese...and Germans...and French.
@ImDavidGurney No, we wouldn't be you racist prick. For the rest of his life, Truman was consumed with guilt and depression for bombing Hiroshima and Nagasaki. He suffered terribly and deeply for it which is something people don't seem to remember. People seem to think that he was some sort of bomb lover when he was exactly the opposite, he became one of the biggest opponents of the atomic bomb. He was in an impossible position with Japan, and he suffered for it.
Surely innocent people - babies, children, toddlers, young men, women, elderly people - were handed a merciless,raw,unfair,brutal,undeserved,inhumane,thoughtless tragedy. My soul cried out with agony when I saw just 1 minute of 1 lady's life where her baby was crying for help but she helplessly let her baby burn into screeching death. Imagine, 300,000 more went through similar second hell, and they had 1000s of such moments. It is so try "the wisdom of the wise, is foolishness"
@dinaranganathan Yes, I sleep well at night. Had Japan not surrendered, the Americans would have invaded in October, 1945. They estimated that there would be 2 million American casualties and over 5 million Japanese casualties, because the Japanese did not believe in surrender. In addition to that, the Russians would have also lost 1 million soldiers. The bombs were a terrible thing, but had the war not ended then, far more people would have died in the end.
@osallent You're exactly right. The Allies were in an impossible situation. That belief in no surrender makes the Japanese a fascinating people, but they would have fought for every inch of Japan down to the last man, woman and child. Truman's only choice was to use it and for the rest of his days he felt unrelenting guilt for it. I really sympathize with Truman, because if any of us were in that situation, what would we do?
The day Muslims step forward and ask for forgiveness for 9/11 and Americans step forward and ask for forgiveness for Hiroshima and Nagasaki the human race would be taking a huge step forward to a better world, unfortunately the way things look today, I have to say that if I have to bet on which one have more chances of ever step forward, my money would be in the MECCA.
An estimated 300K people died in H and N, by statistics 25% of that number were children under the age of 10, that's 75k little innocent souls. Does it really make you sleep better knowing that they were mercilessly murdered because the Fifth Division and Field Marshal Shunroku Hata's 2nd General Army Headquarters were also targeted? Really? And by all means, fuck the women and the elderly murdered too, as long as "Shunroku Hata" got hit, who cares, right? Nice going!
@mcmlxvi the Japanese slaughtered as many as 30 million Filipinos, Malays, Vietnamese, Cambodians, Indonesians and Burmese, at least 23 million of them ethnic Chinese. None of which formally declared war on Japan in the first place.
While neither this "Asian genocide" nor the atomic bombing were right, the country of Japan brought it on itself through its own imperialistic actions.
Would you rather have 2 bombs that destroyed the enemy's will to fight (and the Japanese with their honorable society history) or engage in a bloody, last-man-standing fight to the death between us and them?
@kentamitchell Seriously, I think I'm going to remove my comment. The number of american morons justifying a genocide with the very same lame argument made up over 60 year of lies and brainwashing is far more annoying than this mother fucker president saying Hiroshima was a military base.
@mcmlxvi Genocide? When MacArthur got to Japan in 8/45, he found it on the brink of famine. He cabled DC "Send me or send me bullets". Prompt US grain shipments averted mass starvation & saved millions of J lives. If we'd wanted to commit genocide, all we had to do was to keep the blockade on for another year.
@kentamitchell First of all there is no "we" since you weren't even born then. Second of all it was a genocide, period, end of discussion. The simple fact that you believe there are valid justifiable reasons for the mass killing of over 200,000 people including women and children only proves that both your parents (if you even know who they are) made an extremely poor job and failed miserably raising you as descent human being.
@mcmlxvi Descent? It's called Spellcheck- look into it!
Is ad hominem attacks on my parents the best you've got?
Ironically, my father flew 29 combat missions of Germany in a B-24. He & millions of other Americans (w/help from the Russians, Brits, & Canadians- people who didn't quit after 40 days) ensured that German wasn't your first language. Did a great many civilians get killed in the process? Regretably, yes. A small price to pay to rid the world of Nazi Germany & Imperial Japan.
@mcmlxvi How many Frenchmen does it take to successfully defend Paris? Nobody knows, because they haven't done it in living memory. It took the Arabs 130 years to kick the French out of Africa; in another 30 years, they'll kick them out of France too.
@kentamitchell "I told him I was against [the atomic bomb] on two counts. First, the Japanese were ready to surrender and it wasn't necessary to hit them with that awful thing. Second, I hated to see our country be the first to use such a barbaric weapon." Dwight Eisenhower Jul 1st, 1945.
@mcmlxvi In 1953, Eisenhower published a book, "Mandate for Change", in which he claimed that he had opposed the use of the Bomb in 1945. There is NO contemporary evidence to support that assertion, Ike spent the war in Europe & knew as much about the Pacific as MacArthur knew about the Normandy landings- nothing.
@kentamitchell You don't even know how to spell "descent", what's the point. Dude, jingoism is coming out of your ass, mouth and ears, with all your patriotic bullshit, you already sound like fucking Captain America, is pathetic and SAD. You are so stupid you think attacking France's national character offends me, you are so off, that stupid attitude is reserved to stupid Americans, it doesn't work anywhere else. Btw: Japan tried to surrender 3 times before the bombs. Dumb fuck.
@mcmlxvi "Those who seek to argue that Japan was ready to surrender before Hiroshima are peddlers of fantasies. True, the Tokyo leadership wanted peace, but on terms rightly unacceptable to the Allies" -Max Hastings "Retribution" p513. Until H&N J govt wanted status quo ante bellum. After H&N 1/2 J cbnt "Big Six" wanted
@mcmlxvi J "tried" to surrender??? Not hardly. In July '45 JambUSSR Sato repeatedly urged JForMin Togo to accept that j was defeated- and only seek to save the Imperial household. Togo rejected that advice. On 8/2/45 after Sato requested J peace terms, Togo stated it would be "impossible and undesireable to state them all at once"
7/26/45 after W. Allies released Potsdam Declaration, J govt "mokusatsu-ed" it for 11 days and J (govt controlled) press derided it- until 8:15am on 8/6/45.
@mcmlxvi Definitely inaccurate to call it a base, true (though it did hold a lot of military production facilities). Even so, precision strikes could have taken those out without destroying the entire city. I still feel we could have demonstrated the power of the bomb and ended the war without having to drop it on the cities. Drop it nearby, let them see the devestation. It's kind of hard to not notice how powerful such a weapon is, even from miles away.
@sonbuhitsunei A demonstration would've given Truman moral high ground, not a j surrender. Remember, 75 hours after Hiroshima, still no surrender. J hardliners argued that the US either didn't have an A bomb, or could only have one. Sadly, they saw any US humanitarian gestures as moral weakness.
15 hours after Nagasaki, 'god/man' hirohito gave the order to surrender.
@mcmlxvi it was a key city for military movement, mobilization and resources. It also housed the Fifth Division and Field Marshal Shunroku Hata's 2nd General Army Headquarters, which commanded the defense of all of southern Japan., XVI Area Army, XV Area Army, and V Area Army and all of their subsequent divisions. In fact, Hiroshima's population was more than doubled by it's military presence. These cities were left in tact intentionally because of civilians until there was no choice. flame on
@00RSZEX You know what I find more disturbing about this? That Americans are still screaming and pounding their chests for the killing of 3000 civilians on 9/11 which they cleverly called TERRORISM!!!, but when it come to Hiroshima and Nagasaki they have so many excuses that 60 years have not been enough to hear them all. The entire planet condemned and shared their sorrow for 9/11, but the attitude Americans show towards the bombings in Japan sure provokes vomit because is just disgusting.
@mcmlxvi You are the most cruel of historical revisionists, the islamic terrorists even admitted to the WTC disaster, they were cheering in the streets in parts of the middle east for what they had wrought. You believe your fantasies, and God will judge you...Gianni
@mcmlxvi Nagasaki was a naval base, used by Japan, Harry Truman wasn't a liar, he was a man elevated to the Presidency almost by surprise. A humble man who was from Missouri and did his best to make a huge decision to stop amazingly vicious killing all through the Pacific war. He has my respect. I actually miss him. Now it is so convenient to forget the atrocities of the Japanese and blame the ones who despite their best efforts, had to spill blodd to stop the devilish Japanese.
@mcmlxvi Hiroshima was the headquarters of the japanese 2nd General Army under Field Marshal Hata. 43,000 j troops were in the city & >20k died in the bombing.
@tenacioustaut BULLSHIT! Read the cables between JForMin Togo & JambUSSR Sato. 7/45 Sato urged that J surrender & only seek to preserve the Imperial system. Togo replied "Japan will not accept anything like unconditional surrender". 8/2/45, after Sato asked Togo to state J peace terms, Togo replied that it would be undesireable and impossible" to state them. (J govt had not decided on peace terms)
Truman violated the Hague convention article 22, which prohibits militaries from bomming civlians for the purpose of terrorizing the civilian population, of destroying or damaging private property not of military character, or of injuring non-combatants is prohibited.
The fighting became more and more ferocious. look at the death rates on the side of Japan LESS THAN 10% in each battle were captured, decreacing as the US neared Honshu.
Look at the facts, as i said befor War is hell.
by the way you seem to be making illogical dogmatic assumptions, much like in a creationism VS evolution debate, on the side of Creationism of course.
@tenacioustaut that was your rule, and only in the second half of the debate, by the way do i need the web address for the first time you said that, or is just stating a fact ok?
Aerial bombardment for the purpose of terrorizing the civilian population, of destroying or damaging private property not of military character, or of injuring non-combatants is prohibited.
But I also have no doubts that if the japanese or the germans would have had a nuclear weapon, they would have used it real quick on a valuable target, too. Guess where? With more and more atomic bombs spreading arround in this new world order, all "civilized nations" will get their chance to have the choice to Nuke or Not to Nuke. Just be patient... humans are still humans.. they all learn from their biggest school masters! They will always find another best reason to save lives.
I think there can never be an excuse for flattening an entire city with a civilian population, especialy by 1 single bomb. There will always be a good reason instead: In thoseDays the USA President considered that he can kill anybody to achieve a surrender. ThisObviously is a breach of the Geneva and La Haye Convention, both signed by the USA government in order to protect not only the ennemy soldiers and civilians, but also their own. By changing the rules, they won faster in this war,but next?
@NickVenture1 When the Bomb was dropped there was no treaty against them, the was the 2nd Atom Bomb in HISTORY no one knew what it would really do, we had detonated 1 in a desert, this was as much about information as getting the Japanese to surrender
@akolbinger The laws protecting civilians existed and flushing the entire population of 2 large towns is a war crime however the winner will display his victory. I am sure the japanese and germans would have thrown atomic bombs too, had they gotten a chance to do so. So USA was first.. and gave the example.. Now we will make sure that this was the last time... of cause. That nobody ever imitates this goodlesson of how to spare his own soldiers lives in exchange of civilian ennemies lives.
Why does the number of bombs make a difference in the morality of it, Tokyo was actually hit harder by CONVENTIONAL bombings than Nagasaki was by the A-Bomb?
@tenacioustaut Not at the time. There was no law against atomic weapons. And there still isnt. If a county chooses to use one now though they risk sending the world into a nuclear holocaust.
@tenacioustaut That was created during the Geneva convention which happened in 1949, 4 years after the bomb was dropped. So at the time no law was broken. Besides Germany and Britain both bombed cities killing civilians and targeted factories. And besides Hiroshima was defended and so was Nagasaki. Neither city was civilian only. So even if the law was in effect at the time, he still would not of broke it.
@tenacioustaut again, regardless the cities were defended. Both cities contained military barracks and military factories. The cities were defended. So even so it was not breaking any laws. And like i said, Germany and England are just as guilty then. They both dropped bombs on cities killing more civilians then military troops. But again those cities like Hiroshima and Nagisaki were defended cities. As in Military occupied cities.
@tenacioustaut And when Japan surrendered it was unconditional. As in we said what would happen to them. We didnt have to ask them not to do something. The U.S. was never threatened to be "sued". But truman was not a criminal, if you consider him one then you also better consider Churchill one to. He ordered bombings of Germany. And hell you might as well include every single country. Because every single war has seen civilian death.
If you claim that the bommbings on Hiroshima Tokyo Nagasaki Osaka and other big cities in Japan were Not legal, you cannot blaime those who bommb civilians in the US.
Keep in mind that the US demanded Japan NOT TO SUE THE US FOR VIOLATING ARC25.
Not suing the US for it was a conditin that Japan would gain independence.
@tenacioustaut It produces the same result and can and does lead to civilians deaths. Yes the atomic bomb is a devastating weapon, and yes its unfortunate we had to use it. But i would rather have two destroyed cities then a million more civilian and military personal dead from more fighting. (and thats a total for both sides) Truman made the right call. And he spared more civilians by dropping the atomic bombs. But he is not a criminal.
@tenacioustaut Again you continue to say that truman is the only one who ever dropped ordinances on a populated area. And again i will state. So did every singe country during ww2. England bomb Berlin and other German cities killing more civilians then factorys. And so did Germany, they bombed England cities and used incendiary ordinance to burn as many people as possible. The U.S. just happened to use the biggest bomb in our arsenal. it dosnt matter if its a mortar shell or an atomic bomb....
@tenacioustaut And the last thing is, Article 25 refers to "Undefended". As in helpless civilians. Like a small town where they have no military protection. Or a farm. Or a jewish populace. The key word is undefended. And hiroshima and nagisaki were defended cities.
The Japanese were already defeated and ready to surrender because of the effective sea blockade and the successful bombing with conventional weapons. My own feeling was that in being the first to use it, we had adopted an ethical standard common to the barbarians of the Dark Ages. I was not taught to make war in that fashion, and wars cannot be won by destroying women and children." Fleet Admiral William D. Leahy
@tenacioustaut Any historian, general, and politician at the time will tell you the bomb saved almost 10 times the amount it killed. They will also tell you Japan was not about to surrender. You have one admirals opinion. Id say if the death of a few thousand will save a few million, then its worth it. Besides if we would of invaded chances are those same people would of died regardless. The bombs were necessary.
Rufus Miles concluded that the number of American deaths prevents by the two bombs would almost certainly not have exceeded 20,00, and would probably have been much lower, perhaps, even zero. Hiroshima the strange Myth of Half a million American lives saved. pp.121-40
Cite your sources. be academic.
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Any historian, general, and politician at the time will tell you the bomb saved almost 10 times the amount it killed
@tenacioustaut Regardless the bombs saved more lives then it ended. Because Japan was not about to surrender. The invasion was being prepared. Not just by the U.S. but also Russia. The invasion was going to happen, and to save lives the bombs had to be used. And the bomb was not used to terrorize the civilian populace. The cities had military personal, so the bomb was allowed to be used. And again no war has ever been fought were civilians were not killed.
@tenacioustaut Well it seems like someone is being a little arrogant. Because up till now, you never listed any sources. But now you decide to. And now you wont discuss, you just continue to say show quotations. Seems like someone is backed into a corner.
@tenacioustaut You never listed any sources till now. And once you started listing sources you quit trying to prove me wrong. So as i will say again, your words are those of a person who has been backed into a corner.
Give us the NAMES OF THE DOCUMENTS/BOOKS OF THE SOURCES, PAGE NUMBER,
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You never listed any sources till now. And once you started listing sources you quit trying to prove me wrong. So as i will say again, your words are those of a person who has been backed into a corner.
@tenacioustaut Yes i know how to cite sources. But this isnt a college course. Its a Youtube video. My sources for my information are History Channel (as for what specials, idk. Ive watched the history channel since i was little) And my three diffrend ww2 books. Which i can get the names of for you once i am back home. But like i said up til you ran out of counter points then you started using sources. And when i came back with a counter point you started this spamming of citeing.
@tenacioustaut So quit riding high on your horse. Because thus far you have two different peoples opinions. And anyone can write a book. Just because its in a book dosnt make it fact. However common sense and a basic understanding of the pacific campaign proves that what i have stated is factual info.
@tenacioustaut And again DEFENDED. An undefended city means our army could walk through both cities and not be attacked. Or our airforce could fly at low altitude and not be shot at. That is what an undefended city is. Both cities were defended and we had every right to drop the atomic bombs on them.
@tenacioustaut The Japanese were not going to surrender. They would of faced death before dishonor in surrendering. And after the first bomb was dropped they still refused to surrender. Now if a country is, as you said, were defeated and ready to surrender, then after the first bomb they would of surrendered. But they didnt. Because the Japanese people were prepared to die before surrendering. Fortunately after the second one they surrendered. Only because they thought we had more a-bombs.
@tenacioustaut And i dont need to back up a claim with primary sources when its factual information. And dont ride to high on your horse and act like your better, because you didnt start citing your facts until just now. So dont talk down to me. And besides anyone can list a source, it dosnt make it fact. Like conspiracy theorists, they can site info, but it dosnt make it fact.
You get an academic research by saying they are FACTS.
Be civilized. Give us some evidence such as diaries or intercepted documents for your claim.
You need citations for academic works. You shouldnt talk as primitive as HIGHSCHOOL history books.
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> The Japanese Empire was beginning to train children, women, and non-military men in how to fight. They were preparing for the mainland invasion. The entire Japanese populace was going to defend Japan
Aerial bombardment for the purpose of terrorizing the civilian population, of destroying or damaging private property not of military character, or of injuring non-combatants is prohibited.
Aerial bombardment for the purpose of terrorizing the civilian population, of destroying or damaging private property not of military character, or of injuring non-combatants is prohibited.
@tenacioustaut Its not a myth. Its fact. Japan only surrendered because they thought we had more bombs. If they would of known that we only had two, they would not of surrendered. And the invasion would of cost millions of lives, not just American, but also Japanese military and civilian. The Japanese Empire was beginning to train children, women, and non-military men in how to fight. They were preparing for the mainland invasion. The entire Japanese populace was going to defend Japan.
Give us a primary source, the name of the source, page number.
Let s be civilized.
> The Japanese Empire was beginning to train children, women, and non-military men in how to fight. They were preparing for the mainland invasion. The entire Japanese populace was going to defend Japan.
@akolbinger Hello!! To me there is no difference in the morality: You drop a bunch of nasty bombs at night on a city full of civilians, than you are an evil person. If you come with an even more dangerous bomb, like 1 single one.. and kill everybody down there in a second or so.. from even higher altitude and no warning.. than you are probably even more evil because your smartness allows you to kill better and less vulnerable. Some day some even most evil creature will blow up the entire earth?
America had already leveled most of Japan with small bombs. They were planning a ground invasion which they KNEW they could defeat them with, because by then Japan was already out of food & resources. America PURPOSELY had not touched Hiroshima, because they wanted to "test" the atomic bomb & be able to measure the damage. They dropped it in the morning to kill the most people. Children playing, women and men working etc. They murdered countless kids. How can some of u call that a good thing?
@vacantidentity At some point we have to draw the line between moralityh and practicality, Lives were actually Saved by the bomb, plus look up "total war". that is how the japanese fought, that is how we had to think.
@kimpaco Are you Korean? It's true that Japan army was horrible back then, & the military deserved to be defeated. But the bomb was dropped on a civilian population. It killed children who had nothing to do with the war or the invasions. Not to mention that the North (Korea) was slaughtering fellow Koreans left and right. I'm from a younger generation, I have both Korean & Japanese friends & we all get along, but we all agree that murdering a civilian population is and will always be wrong.
we Americans need to stop looking at this as "our" war. We did not fight in it; those who came before us did. We had nothing to do with the tragedy that is the atomic bombings or the war.
We need to stop referring to things this country has done before us with the word "we"
Hey you weebos have no idea what the Japanese were like. If it wasn't for those bombings I doubt you would have anime today. Japan completely changed after those attacks.
I wright this because my cousin japanese, how do you think my cousin is feeling right now about this bomb? do you think my cousin would agree as yours?
The funny things is that the whole world does not like what Truman did to this day, most of the 200,000 people who died where civilians not soldiers. Even if the Bomb avoided an invation there was no notion sparing civilian lives.
escuse me but, don't you think it would be a less destruction if we have just detonated the bomb a little close to the coast of japan so the japs can see the power of the atomic bomb, and then we could have scared them and they would have give up so no one would have get hurt?
@MrShapiroman Sorry, no. A demonstration would have given Truman moral high ground, but not a Japanese surrender. 3 days after Hiroshima- still no surrender. 15 hours after Nagasaki, 'god/man' hirohito gave the order to accept the Potsdam Declaration- unconditional surrender. Please explain to the families of 100,000 Allied POWs & 100,000 civilian internees how long the US should have waited before using the A bombs
@MrShapiroman War doesn't work that way. You can not attack a country and pull them into war and not expect anything bad to happen. Japan wanted to attack Pearl Harbor, so they should have known the risks. War is a horrible thing, but if you attack someone stronger than you, expect to be knocked on your ass.
@MrShapiroman they didnt surrender until we dropped the second atom bomb, what makes you think they wouldve surrendered when they saw one in the ocean.
Harry Truman was a sack of shit. He thinks the lives of innocent japanese civilians are worth less than the lives of American soldiers. What a selfish asshole.
@Imran500 Its just the opposite. If we had invaded Japan the army and civilian partisan fighters would have never surrendered. Millions on millions would have died in each city as we fought block by block for control of them and bombed them from the skies. Every urban area would have be leveled. For proof of this, look at what we did to WW2 Germany. With the atomic bombs we only ended up destroying TWO cities instead of ALL OF THEM. It saved lives in the end, American AND Japanese.
@Imran500 That being said, why are you surprised that the leader of a country would be more concerned for his own population than the population of the nation that started the war with his? Do you REALLY want a leader who cares more for your enemy than he does for YOU? I wouldn't.
@Imran500 The Japanese leadership thought very little of Japanese civilians. Why else would they be giving schoolgirls bamboo sticks to charge machine guns? Training every Japanese civilian to be a freakin' kamikaze to save their dirty little empire. The Japanese certainly thought very little of Chinese and Korean civilians which they killed and enslaved for decades before the US ever entered the war. It's very hard to give the Japanese any moral high ground.
@edgaeleo Actually, no. Genocide is the marked decision to wipe out an entire race. And we could have to. If we carpet nuked Japan, it would have been an irradiated rock in the ocean and probably killed 90% of the world's Japanese. But we didn't. We weren't out to commit genocide by the obvious fact that Japan still exists. Idiot.
Harry Truman, one of the greatest Presidents, ever! I only wish Harry Truman was President on 9/11/01..... The only place Arabic would be spoken is hell.
True, and though I don't like the use of nukes for ANY purpose, my family also suffered the murder of my uncle by the Japanese for NO good reason. Quid pro quo I guess. The Japanese Emporor sorely underestimated the US. I am sorry for what that caused to happen to his people, but sorrier for what he caused to happen to mine, first.
You might want to check your dates. You say this was aired on December 2, 1941. On that date, the US had not even entered the war and Truman wasn't President. In fact, he wasn't even vice-president then! The correct date for this is ~ August 6, 1945. Learn your history first before posting incorrect information! Yeessh!
@latinoheat361 They attacked Pearl Harbor which was wrong, but still it was a military base. America dropped an atomic bomb on a major city which was filled with civilians. They murdered countless kids. People giving you the thumbs up for your comment shows how inhumane we can be. The Japanese army was definitely brutal back then, but how can you people condone the murder of 1000's of innocent kids?
@vacantidentity What is comes down to is this. Japan didn't want to surrender the United States was planning on invading Japan we would have lost about a million troops if we did that. War is brutal there hasn't been one war were tons of innocents haven't been killed. At the end of the day we wanted our soldiers to come home. Survival of the fittest
Truman is a true evil. I hope this devil will be burnt in hell eternally.
Waterfall714 5 days ago
@Waterfall714 Do you really believe in that fairy tale? LOL!
Truman's decision to drop the A bombs ended WWII.
kentamitchell 2 days ago
fuck truman
edwardd6681 4 weeks ago
So sad and tragic when the people of a nation are held hostage by their governments who do not act in their interests nor in the interest of all people. Such is the story of war. The politicians make the policies, give speeches and thump their chests but the PEOPLE pay the price in blood and treasure. No war will be just until every bullet, every bomb, every tank and plane can determine the mind of it's victim before striking. "White Light, Black Rain" is a film about Hiroshima/Nagasaki.
exenrontexas 1 month ago
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exenrontexas 1 month ago
.....And to think that it took a second A-bomb to make the Japanese finally surrender....
Sonyag1 1 month ago
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That's for pearl harbor, and the bataan death march, and the nanking massacre, and the suicide bombing of darwin, and the maternity ward massacre, and the occupation of korea (causing the korean war), and the manilla massacre! And we'll bomb you again for not apologizing!
CptQuestionMark 1 month ago
Well, if America is to blame for all of the bad things on earth, then they are to blame for the good as well. You can't select choice bits of history to fit a personal victim agenda.
BANSHEEHAUNT 3 months ago 2
YOU CANT COMPARE ANYTHING TO THIS. THIS IS A SYSTEMATIC WAY OF EXTERMINATION. the fact that these weapons were developed and USED gave the possibility FOR THE FIRST TIME EVER,THAT EVERY LIVING ON THIS PLANET COULD BE DESTROYED WITH A PUSH OF A BUTTON!!!!!!. America not only mass murdered thousands of people but planted the seed for any other country to use nuclear weapons for their OWN just cause. HARRY TRUMAN IS THE GREATEST WAR CRIMINAL!!! AMERICA SHOULDN'T PLAY god.
compooky 3 months ago
@compooky LOL! Irony- after the Japanese surrender, US Occupation authorities forced hirohito to renounce his divinity. Until 1/1/46, he had been "playing god"
kentamitchell 3 months ago
This was aired 1945 not 1941.
RoundElephant 3 months ago
Truman sucks.
babykevinxoxo 4 months ago
@babykevinxoxo Oh, look everybody! Oscar Wilde just joined the party! Please, dazzle us with your bon mots, Oscar!
kentamitchell 3 months ago
Anyone who thinks that Japan was close to surrender before Hiroshima should read the cables btwn JForMin Togo& JambUSSR Sato. 7/45 Sato argued that J was defeated & could only hope to save Imperial system. Togo rejected that advice.
8/2/45 after Sato asked for j peace terms, Togo refused/declined to state them.
kentamitchell 4 months ago
The Strategic Bomber offensive killed a couple hundred thousand Japanese civilians, and a great many MORE German civilians. So, should we have let Europe remain under the Nazi yoke?
You call it genocide- rather ironic, since after the surrenders, US food shipments were feeding Japanese...and Germans...and French.
kentamitchell 4 months ago
This guy is the worst mankind created in the history.
Racist and Mass Murederer. True evil.
Waterfall714 4 months ago
Had harry be in charge on 9/11,tomorrow we'd be celebrating V-I Day(Victory over Islam)
ImDavidGurney 4 months ago
@ImDavidGurney No, we wouldn't be you racist prick. For the rest of his life, Truman was consumed with guilt and depression for bombing Hiroshima and Nagasaki. He suffered terribly and deeply for it which is something people don't seem to remember. People seem to think that he was some sort of bomb lover when he was exactly the opposite, he became one of the biggest opponents of the atomic bomb. He was in an impossible position with Japan, and he suffered for it.
Mech610 4 months ago
Surely innocent people - babies, children, toddlers, young men, women, elderly people - were handed a merciless,raw,unfair,brutal,undeserved,inhumane,thoughtless tragedy. My soul cried out with agony when I saw just 1 minute of 1 lady's life where her baby was crying for help but she helplessly let her baby burn into screeching death. Imagine, 300,000 more went through similar second hell, and they had 1000s of such moments. It is so try "the wisdom of the wise, is foolishness"
dinaranganathan 4 months ago
@dinaranganathan Yes, I sleep well at night. Had Japan not surrendered, the Americans would have invaded in October, 1945. They estimated that there would be 2 million American casualties and over 5 million Japanese casualties, because the Japanese did not believe in surrender. In addition to that, the Russians would have also lost 1 million soldiers. The bombs were a terrible thing, but had the war not ended then, far more people would have died in the end.
osallent 4 months ago
@osallent You're exactly right. The Allies were in an impossible situation. That belief in no surrender makes the Japanese a fascinating people, but they would have fought for every inch of Japan down to the last man, woman and child. Truman's only choice was to use it and for the rest of his days he felt unrelenting guilt for it. I really sympathize with Truman, because if any of us were in that situation, what would we do?
Mech610 4 months ago
Good... give the next one to Afghanistan!
bolestim1 5 months ago
IMMORALITY DEFINED
maokly1 5 months ago
The day Muslims step forward and ask for forgiveness for 9/11 and Americans step forward and ask for forgiveness for Hiroshima and Nagasaki the human race would be taking a huge step forward to a better world, unfortunately the way things look today, I have to say that if I have to bet on which one have more chances of ever step forward, my money would be in the MECCA.
mcmlxvi 5 months ago
An estimated 300K people died in H and N, by statistics 25% of that number were children under the age of 10, that's 75k little innocent souls. Does it really make you sleep better knowing that they were mercilessly murdered because the Fifth Division and Field Marshal Shunroku Hata's 2nd General Army Headquarters were also targeted? Really? And by all means, fuck the women and the elderly murdered too, as long as "Shunroku Hata" got hit, who cares, right? Nice going!
mcmlxvi 5 months ago
@mcmlxvi the Japanese slaughtered as many as 30 million Filipinos, Malays, Vietnamese, Cambodians, Indonesians and Burmese, at least 23 million of them ethnic Chinese. None of which formally declared war on Japan in the first place.
While neither this "Asian genocide" nor the atomic bombing were right, the country of Japan brought it on itself through its own imperialistic actions.
newyears912 5 months ago
@mcmlxvi
Would you rather have 2 bombs that destroyed the enemy's will to fight (and the Japanese with their honorable society history) or engage in a bloody, last-man-standing fight to the death between us and them?
Hiei2k7 4 months ago
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kentamitchell 4 months ago
@kentamitchell Seriously, I think I'm going to remove my comment. The number of american morons justifying a genocide with the very same lame argument made up over 60 year of lies and brainwashing is far more annoying than this mother fucker president saying Hiroshima was a military base.
mcmlxvi 4 months ago
@mcmlxvi Genocide? When MacArthur got to Japan in 8/45, he found it on the brink of famine. He cabled DC "Send me or send me bullets". Prompt US grain shipments averted mass starvation & saved millions of J lives. If we'd wanted to commit genocide, all we had to do was to keep the blockade on for another year.
kentamitchell 4 months ago
@kentamitchell First of all there is no "we" since you weren't even born then. Second of all it was a genocide, period, end of discussion. The simple fact that you believe there are valid justifiable reasons for the mass killing of over 200,000 people including women and children only proves that both your parents (if you even know who they are) made an extremely poor job and failed miserably raising you as descent human being.
mcmlxvi 4 months ago
@mcmlxvi Descent? It's called Spellcheck- look into it!
Is ad hominem attacks on my parents the best you've got?
Ironically, my father flew 29 combat missions of Germany in a B-24. He & millions of other Americans (w/help from the Russians, Brits, & Canadians- people who didn't quit after 40 days) ensured that German wasn't your first language. Did a great many civilians get killed in the process? Regretably, yes. A small price to pay to rid the world of Nazi Germany & Imperial Japan.
kentamitchell 4 months ago
@mcmlxvi How many Frenchmen does it take to successfully defend Paris? Nobody knows, because they haven't done it in living memory. It took the Arabs 130 years to kick the French out of Africa; in another 30 years, they'll kick them out of France too.
kentamitchell 4 months ago
@kentamitchell "I told him I was against [the atomic bomb] on two counts. First, the Japanese were ready to surrender and it wasn't necessary to hit them with that awful thing. Second, I hated to see our country be the first to use such a barbaric weapon." Dwight Eisenhower Jul 1st, 1945.
mcmlxvi 4 months ago
@mcmlxvi In 1953, Eisenhower published a book, "Mandate for Change", in which he claimed that he had opposed the use of the Bomb in 1945. There is NO contemporary evidence to support that assertion, Ike spent the war in Europe & knew as much about the Pacific as MacArthur knew about the Normandy landings- nothing.
kentamitchell 4 months ago
@mcmlxvi Oh, so you don't care to enlighten us as to what Truman should have done?
Compromise peace? J military retains power; plans Pacific War Ii a generation later.
Invasion? 240,000 died on Okinawa. Kyushu's garrison was >x10 larger. DO THE MATH!
Blockade? How many MILLIONS of J civilians would've starved (along w/100,000 Allied POWs) before 'god/man' hirohito gave the order to surrender?
SecWar Stimson was correct: the atomic bombs were 'our least abhorrent choice'
kentamitchell 4 months ago
@kentamitchell You don't even know how to spell "descent", what's the point. Dude, jingoism is coming out of your ass, mouth and ears, with all your patriotic bullshit, you already sound like fucking Captain America, is pathetic and SAD. You are so stupid you think attacking France's national character offends me, you are so off, that stupid attitude is reserved to stupid Americans, it doesn't work anywhere else. Btw: Japan tried to surrender 3 times before the bombs. Dumb fuck.
mcmlxvi 4 months ago
@mcmlxvi "Those who seek to argue that Japan was ready to surrender before Hiroshima are peddlers of fantasies. True, the Tokyo leadership wanted peace, but on terms rightly unacceptable to the Allies" -Max Hastings "Retribution" p513. Until H&N J govt wanted status quo ante bellum. After H&N 1/2 J cbnt "Big Six" wanted
emporer remains absolute ruler
no occupation
j disarms self
no war crimes trials xcpt in j tribunals
kentamitchell 4 months ago
@mcmlxvi J "tried" to surrender??? Not hardly. In July '45 JambUSSR Sato repeatedly urged JForMin Togo to accept that j was defeated- and only seek to save the Imperial household. Togo rejected that advice. On 8/2/45 after Sato requested J peace terms, Togo stated it would be "impossible and undesireable to state them all at once"
7/26/45 after W. Allies released Potsdam Declaration, J govt "mokusatsu-ed" it for 11 days and J (govt controlled) press derided it- until 8:15am on 8/6/45.
kentamitchell 4 months ago
@mcmlxvi Dumb Americans? Americans put men on the moon and got all of them back safely.
kentamitchell 4 months ago
Did he say "on Hiroshima, a MILITARY BASE"? What a mother fucker son of a bitch liar.
mcmlxvi 6 months ago
@mcmlxvi Definitely inaccurate to call it a base, true (though it did hold a lot of military production facilities). Even so, precision strikes could have taken those out without destroying the entire city. I still feel we could have demonstrated the power of the bomb and ended the war without having to drop it on the cities. Drop it nearby, let them see the devestation. It's kind of hard to not notice how powerful such a weapon is, even from miles away.
sonbuhitsunei 5 months ago
@sonbuhitsunei A demonstration would've given Truman moral high ground, not a j surrender. Remember, 75 hours after Hiroshima, still no surrender. J hardliners argued that the US either didn't have an A bomb, or could only have one. Sadly, they saw any US humanitarian gestures as moral weakness.
15 hours after Nagasaki, 'god/man' hirohito gave the order to surrender.
kentamitchell 4 months ago
@mcmlxvi it was a key city for military movement, mobilization and resources. It also housed the Fifth Division and Field Marshal Shunroku Hata's 2nd General Army Headquarters, which commanded the defense of all of southern Japan., XVI Area Army, XV Area Army, and V Area Army and all of their subsequent divisions. In fact, Hiroshima's population was more than doubled by it's military presence. These cities were left in tact intentionally because of civilians until there was no choice. flame on
00RSZEX 5 months ago
@00RSZEX You know what I find more disturbing about this? That Americans are still screaming and pounding their chests for the killing of 3000 civilians on 9/11 which they cleverly called TERRORISM!!!, but when it come to Hiroshima and Nagasaki they have so many excuses that 60 years have not been enough to hear them all. The entire planet condemned and shared their sorrow for 9/11, but the attitude Americans show towards the bombings in Japan sure provokes vomit because is just disgusting.
mcmlxvi 5 months ago
@mcmlxvi You are the most cruel of historical revisionists, the islamic terrorists even admitted to the WTC disaster, they were cheering in the streets in parts of the middle east for what they had wrought. You believe your fantasies, and God will judge you...Gianni
giannivee1 3 months ago
@mcmlxvi Nagasaki was a naval base, used by Japan, Harry Truman wasn't a liar, he was a man elevated to the Presidency almost by surprise. A humble man who was from Missouri and did his best to make a huge decision to stop amazingly vicious killing all through the Pacific war. He has my respect. I actually miss him. Now it is so convenient to forget the atrocities of the Japanese and blame the ones who despite their best efforts, had to spill blodd to stop the devilish Japanese.
giannivee1 4 months ago 4
@giannivee1 i don't really believe that they were devilish but you bring up great points and i respect that
PaePeter 3 months ago
@mcmlxvi Hiroshima was the headquarters of the japanese 2nd General Army under Field Marshal Hata. 43,000 j troops were in the city & >20k died in the bombing.
kentamitchell 4 months ago
I wish Harry was with us now and he would nuke the mountains where the towel heads are hiding out.
Baldgol4 7 months ago
@Baldgol4 hell ya!
jjsauchellz26 6 months ago
@Baldgol4 LOL! That was funny, but it's stupid and doesn't make sense
Seedofwinter 6 months ago
Harry Truman wasn't a human - he's anti, anti-man!
He's lis'nin' 2 the "slotsiP xeS" (while dancin' crazy pogo dance!...) xDD
Hollandia777 7 months ago
Its cutted! There are sentences missing between two parts of the speech.
kriklan49 10 months ago
I just heard a quote from a WWII historian: "The most unethical act in WWII for the Allies would have been allowing themselves to lose."
rtobyr 10 months ago 15
@rtobyr AMEN!
kentamitchell 9 months ago
It was only Byrnes that opposed to remove assurances for the Emperor of Japan from the Potsdam Proclamation.
Truman knew that Japan would surrender if assurances for the Emepror were given,
The point is that the assurances were GIVEN after dropping the 2 bommmbs
tenacioustaut 10 months ago
@tenacioustaut BULLSHIT! Read the cables between JForMin Togo & JambUSSR Sato. 7/45 Sato urged that J surrender & only seek to preserve the Imperial system. Togo replied "Japan will not accept anything like unconditional surrender". 8/2/45, after Sato asked Togo to state J peace terms, Togo replied that it would be undesireable and impossible" to state them. (J govt had not decided on peace terms)
kentamitchell 10 months ago
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Truman violated the Hague convention article 22, which prohibits militaries from bomming civlians for the purpose of terrorizing the civilian population, of destroying or damaging private property not of military character, or of injuring non-combatants is prohibited.
tenacioustaut 10 months ago
The fighting became more and more ferocious. look at the death rates on the side of Japan LESS THAN 10% in each battle were captured, decreacing as the US neared Honshu.
Look at the facts, as i said befor War is hell.
by the way you seem to be making illogical dogmatic assumptions, much like in a creationism VS evolution debate, on the side of Creationism of course.
akolbinger 10 months ago
@akolbinger
We wont talk to you anymore until you show us citations, page numbers, the years of publication.
tenacioustaut 10 months ago
@tenacioustaut that was your rule, and only in the second half of the debate, by the way do i need the web address for the first time you said that, or is just stating a fact ok?
akolbinger 10 months ago
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Truman broke this law.
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Hague convention
ARTICLE XXII
Aerial bombardment for the purpose of terrorizing the civilian population, of destroying or damaging private property not of military character, or of injuring non-combatants is prohibited.
tenacioustaut 10 months ago
Is This Audio Free To Use For Projects? It would be really helpful.
Actionmovieman789 11 months ago
But I also have no doubts that if the japanese or the germans would have had a nuclear weapon, they would have used it real quick on a valuable target, too. Guess where? With more and more atomic bombs spreading arround in this new world order, all "civilized nations" will get their chance to have the choice to Nuke or Not to Nuke. Just be patient... humans are still humans.. they all learn from their biggest school masters! They will always find another best reason to save lives.
NickVenture1 1 year ago
I think there can never be an excuse for flattening an entire city with a civilian population, especialy by 1 single bomb. There will always be a good reason instead: In thoseDays the USA President considered that he can kill anybody to achieve a surrender. ThisObviously is a breach of the Geneva and La Haye Convention, both signed by the USA government in order to protect not only the ennemy soldiers and civilians, but also their own. By changing the rules, they won faster in this war,but next?
NickVenture1 1 year ago
@NickVenture1 When the Bomb was dropped there was no treaty against them, the was the 2nd Atom Bomb in HISTORY no one knew what it would really do, we had detonated 1 in a desert, this was as much about information as getting the Japanese to surrender
akolbinger 11 months ago
@akolbinger The laws protecting civilians existed and flushing the entire population of 2 large towns is a war crime however the winner will display his victory. I am sure the japanese and germans would have thrown atomic bombs too, had they gotten a chance to do so. So USA was first.. and gave the example.. Now we will make sure that this was the last time... of cause. That nobody ever imitates this goodlesson of how to spare his own soldiers lives in exchange of civilian ennemies lives.
NickVenture1 10 months ago
@NickVenture1 Quick ?
hope you respond
Why does the number of bombs make a difference in the morality of it, Tokyo was actually hit harder by CONVENTIONAL bombings than Nagasaki was by the A-Bomb?
akolbinger 11 months ago
@akolbinger
watch?v=e7_VVdWOr_g&feature=related
watch this
tenacioustaut 11 months ago
@tenacioustaut watched about 2 minutes of it and i think that i got the theme, i want to clarify a few things.
the city with the most civilian casualties was TOKYO due to conventional bombings
Operation Overlord (the planned invasion) had HIGHER PROJECTED CASUALTIES THAN BOTH BOMBINGS COMBINED.
War is hell, this is a part of that.
(this is btw about WWII era nuclear weapons I'm not going into modern weapons, that is irrelevant to the topic and completely different.)
akolbinger 11 months ago
@akolbinger
It was clearly against the law.
Those who instructed it are war criminals
tenacioustaut 11 months ago
@tenacioustaut Not at the time. There was no law against atomic weapons. And there still isnt. If a county chooses to use one now though they risk sending the world into a nuclear holocaust.
Entriken133 11 months ago
@Entriken133
Art. 25. The attack or bombardment, by whatever means, of towns, villages, dwellings, or buildings which are undefended is prohibited.
Truman broke this law; yet, he has not been punished for this war crime.
tenacioustaut 11 months ago
@tenacioustaut That was created during the Geneva convention which happened in 1949, 4 years after the bomb was dropped. So at the time no law was broken. Besides Germany and Britain both bombed cities killing civilians and targeted factories. And besides Hiroshima was defended and so was Nagasaki. Neither city was civilian only. So even if the law was in effect at the time, he still would not of broke it.
Entriken133 11 months ago
@Entriken133
the Hague Convention
Article 25.
The attack or bombardment, by whatever means, of towns, villages, dwellings, or buildings which are undefended is prohibited.
Truman is a war criminal because he broke this law.
tenacioustaut 11 months ago
@Entriken133
the Hague Convention
Article 25.
The attack or bombardment, by whatever means, of towns, villages, dwellings, or buildings which are undefended is prohibited.
This was promulgated on 18 October 1907.
tenacioustaut 11 months ago
@tenacioustaut again, regardless the cities were defended. Both cities contained military barracks and military factories. The cities were defended. So even so it was not breaking any laws. And like i said, Germany and England are just as guilty then. They both dropped bombs on cities killing more civilians then military troops. But again those cities like Hiroshima and Nagisaki were defended cities. As in Military occupied cities.
Entriken133 11 months ago
@Entriken133
This justification was made up by Conant to justify the bombings. lol
What Truman did was dropping napalm (gasoline) and atomic bombs over children kids and oldmen
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Both cities contained military barracks and military factories.
tenacioustaut 11 months ago
@tenacioustaut And when Japan surrendered it was unconditional. As in we said what would happen to them. We didnt have to ask them not to do something. The U.S. was never threatened to be "sued". But truman was not a criminal, if you consider him one then you also better consider Churchill one to. He ordered bombings of Germany. And hell you might as well include every single country. Because every single war has seen civilian death.
Entriken133 10 months ago
@Entriken133
Byrnes Speaking Frankly p.209
Byrnes is the one who made up everything to justify the a-bombs.
watch?v=e7_VVdWOr_g
Be academic or Keep believing that what your government says is always true.
tenacioustaut 10 months ago
@Entriken133
If you claim that the bommbings on Hiroshima Tokyo Nagasaki Osaka and other big cities in Japan were Not legal, you cannot blaime those who bommb civilians in the US.
Keep in mind that the US demanded Japan NOT TO SUE THE US FOR VIOLATING ARC25.
Not suing the US for it was a conditin that Japan would gain independence.
tenacioustaut 11 months ago
@tenacioustaut It produces the same result and can and does lead to civilians deaths. Yes the atomic bomb is a devastating weapon, and yes its unfortunate we had to use it. But i would rather have two destroyed cities then a million more civilian and military personal dead from more fighting. (and thats a total for both sides) Truman made the right call. And he spared more civilians by dropping the atomic bombs. But he is not a criminal.
Entriken133 10 months ago
@Entriken133
Watch the movie in which the person who decided to bommmb Japanese civilians confesses that the bomming was a war crime.
Dont be so naiive.
tenacioustaut 11 months ago
@tenacioustaut Again you continue to say that truman is the only one who ever dropped ordinances on a populated area. And again i will state. So did every singe country during ww2. England bomb Berlin and other German cities killing more civilians then factorys. And so did Germany, they bombed England cities and used incendiary ordinance to burn as many people as possible. The U.S. just happened to use the biggest bomb in our arsenal. it dosnt matter if its a mortar shell or an atomic bomb....
Entriken133 10 months ago
@tenacioustaut And the last thing is, Article 25 refers to "Undefended". As in helpless civilians. Like a small town where they have no military protection. Or a farm. Or a jewish populace. The key word is undefended. And hiroshima and nagisaki were defended cities.
Entriken133 10 months ago
@Entriken133
Again, you should realize that you are saying that 911 was NOT a war crime since NYC is "defended".
tenacioustaut 10 months ago
@Entriken133
The guy himself who planned the Tokyo Osaka Hiroshima Nagasaki bommbing has admitted that
what he did is a war crime.
If you justify the bombing of Japan over civilians(women kids oldpeople),
, you cannot accuse countries that drop the same things over you of a war crime.
tenacioustaut 10 months ago
@Entriken133
The Japanese were already defeated and ready to surrender because of the effective sea blockade and the successful bombing with conventional weapons. My own feeling was that in being the first to use it, we had adopted an ethical standard common to the barbarians of the Dark Ages. I was not taught to make war in that fashion, and wars cannot be won by destroying women and children." Fleet Admiral William D. Leahy
tenacioustaut 10 months ago
@tenacioustaut Any historian, general, and politician at the time will tell you the bomb saved almost 10 times the amount it killed. They will also tell you Japan was not about to surrender. You have one admirals opinion. Id say if the death of a few thousand will save a few million, then its worth it. Besides if we would of invaded chances are those same people would of died regardless. The bombs were necessary.
Entriken133 10 months ago
@Entriken133
Rufus Miles concluded that the number of American deaths prevents by the two bombs would almost certainly not have exceeded 20,00, and would probably have been much lower, perhaps, even zero. Hiroshima the strange Myth of Half a million American lives saved. pp.121-40
Cite your sources. be academic.
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Any historian, general, and politician at the time will tell you the bomb saved almost 10 times the amount it killed
tenacioustaut 10 months ago
@tenacioustaut Regardless the bombs saved more lives then it ended. Because Japan was not about to surrender. The invasion was being prepared. Not just by the U.S. but also Russia. The invasion was going to happen, and to save lives the bombs had to be used. And the bomb was not used to terrorize the civilian populace. The cities had military personal, so the bomb was allowed to be used. And again no war has ever been fought were civilians were not killed.
Entriken133 10 months ago
@Entriken133
again no citation.
I am not interested in your pure rattling.
tenacioustaut 10 months ago
@Entriken133
Be academic, be civilized. use quotations.
Use primary sources such as intercepted documents telegraphs.
Find out the definiton of *facts* in academic worlds.
tenacioustaut 10 months ago
@Entriken133
Give us a single phd thesis in history WITHOUT QUOTATIONS.
tenacioustaut 10 months ago
@tenacioustaut Well it seems like someone is being a little arrogant. Because up till now, you never listed any sources. But now you decide to. And now you wont discuss, you just continue to say show quotations. Seems like someone is backed into a corner.
Entriken133 10 months ago
@Entriken133
You havent given as a SINGLE source to listen to yet.
Be academic, be civilized, use quotations. You need to cite to pass courses in history at college
> you never listed any sources. But now you decide to. And now you wont discuss,
tenacioustaut 10 months ago
@tenacioustaut You never listed any sources till now. And once you started listing sources you quit trying to prove me wrong. So as i will say again, your words are those of a person who has been backed into a corner.
Entriken133 10 months ago
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@Entriken133
You dont know how to CITE sources, do you.
Give us the NAMES OF THE DOCUMENTS/BOOKS OF THE SOURCES, PAGE NUMBER,
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You never listed any sources till now. And once you started listing sources you quit trying to prove me wrong. So as i will say again, your words are those of a person who has been backed into a corner.
tenacioustaut 10 months ago
@Entriken133
You have NEVER given us names of the sources and pagenumbers in the sources.
Be civilized, Be academic, Learn how to cite sources or you cannot pass a course in college.
tenacioustaut 10 months ago
@tenacioustaut Yes i know how to cite sources. But this isnt a college course. Its a Youtube video. My sources for my information are History Channel (as for what specials, idk. Ive watched the history channel since i was little) And my three diffrend ww2 books. Which i can get the names of for you once i am back home. But like i said up til you ran out of counter points then you started using sources. And when i came back with a counter point you started this spamming of citeing.
Entriken133 10 months ago
@tenacioustaut Sorry ive been out of the debate that i started.
to clear up a few things...
i don't remenber the source however we WERE preparing more bombs to attack Japan with,
also the reason we didn't is BECAUSE THEY SURRENDERED, truman made an executive order NOT to drop more bombs.
also, to educate yourself, look up 2 things "total war" and "bushido" both will teach you how japan fought and give you REAL information.
Look at the battles as the US neared the Japanese homeland
akolbinger 10 months ago
@tenacioustaut So quit riding high on your horse. Because thus far you have two different peoples opinions. And anyone can write a book. Just because its in a book dosnt make it fact. However common sense and a basic understanding of the pacific campaign proves that what i have stated is factual info.
Entriken133 10 months ago
@tenacioustaut And again DEFENDED. An undefended city means our army could walk through both cities and not be attacked. Or our airforce could fly at low altitude and not be shot at. That is what an undefended city is. Both cities were defended and we had every right to drop the atomic bombs on them.
Entriken133 10 months ago
@Entriken133
Read books by Fleet Admiral William D. Leahy
If you so naiively believe that Hiroshima and Nagasaki were DEFENDED.
tenacioustaut 10 months ago
@tenacioustaut The Japanese were not going to surrender. They would of faced death before dishonor in surrendering. And after the first bomb was dropped they still refused to surrender. Now if a country is, as you said, were defeated and ready to surrender, then after the first bomb they would of surrendered. But they didnt. Because the Japanese people were prepared to die before surrendering. Fortunately after the second one they surrendered. Only because they thought we had more a-bombs.
Entriken133 10 months ago
@Entriken133
What you have said is a typical myth.
Byrnes says that Japan surrendered ONLY AFTER the requisite assurances for the Emeper were given by the US. Ref. Speaking Frankly, p209. Byrnes.
Back up your claims with primary sources when you reply to me from now on. Be civilized.
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The Japanese were not going to surrender. They would of faced death before dishonor in surrendering
tenacioustaut 10 months ago
@tenacioustaut And i dont need to back up a claim with primary sources when its factual information. And dont ride to high on your horse and act like your better, because you didnt start citing your facts until just now. So dont talk down to me. And besides anyone can list a source, it dosnt make it fact. Like conspiracy theorists, they can site info, but it dosnt make it fact.
Entriken133 10 months ago
@Entriken133
You get an academic research by saying they are FACTS.
Be civilized. Give us some evidence such as diaries or intercepted documents for your claim.
You need citations for academic works. You shouldnt talk as primitive as HIGHSCHOOL history books.
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> The Japanese Empire was beginning to train children, women, and non-military men in how to fight. They were preparing for the mainland invasion. The entire Japanese populace was going to defend Japan
tenacioustaut 10 months ago
@tenacioustaut They were. Go look it up. The army was training civilians to prepare for the invasion.
Entriken133 10 months ago
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@Entriken133
Be academic, Be civilized. Use citations when you comment.
Stop embarassing yourself without being academic.
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They were. Go look it up. The army was training civilians to prepare for the invasion.
tenacioustaut 10 months ago
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@Entriken133
Truman broke this law.
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Hague convention
ARTICLE XXII
Aerial bombardment for the purpose of terrorizing the civilian population, of destroying or damaging private property not of military character, or of injuring non-combatants is prohibited.
tenacioustaut 10 months ago
@Entriken133
Hague convention]
ARTICLE XXII
Aerial bombardment for the purpose of terrorizing the civilian population, of destroying or damaging private property not of military character, or of injuring non-combatants is prohibited.
tenacioustaut 10 months ago
@tenacioustaut Its not a myth. Its fact. Japan only surrendered because they thought we had more bombs. If they would of known that we only had two, they would not of surrendered. And the invasion would of cost millions of lives, not just American, but also Japanese military and civilian. The Japanese Empire was beginning to train children, women, and non-military men in how to fight. They were preparing for the mainland invasion. The entire Japanese populace was going to defend Japan.
Entriken133 10 months ago
@Entriken133
Give us a primary source, the name of the source, page number.
Let s be civilized.
tenacioustaut 10 months ago
@Entriken133
Give us a primary source, the name of the source, page number.
Let s be civilized.
> The Japanese Empire was beginning to train children, women, and non-military men in how to fight. They were preparing for the mainland invasion. The entire Japanese populace was going to defend Japan.
tenacioustaut 10 months ago
@akolbinger Hello!! To me there is no difference in the morality: You drop a bunch of nasty bombs at night on a city full of civilians, than you are an evil person. If you come with an even more dangerous bomb, like 1 single one.. and kill everybody down there in a second or so.. from even higher altitude and no warning.. than you are probably even more evil because your smartness allows you to kill better and less vulnerable. Some day some even most evil creature will blow up the entire earth?
NickVenture1 10 months ago
America had already leveled most of Japan with small bombs. They were planning a ground invasion which they KNEW they could defeat them with, because by then Japan was already out of food & resources. America PURPOSELY had not touched Hiroshima, because they wanted to "test" the atomic bomb & be able to measure the damage. They dropped it in the morning to kill the most people. Children playing, women and men working etc. They murdered countless kids. How can some of u call that a good thing?
vacantidentity 1 year ago
@vacantidentity At some point we have to draw the line between moralityh and practicality, Lives were actually Saved by the bomb, plus look up "total war". that is how the japanese fought, that is how we had to think.
akolbinger 11 months ago
i love the atomic bomb, that bomb gave freedom to my people
kimpaco 1 year ago
@kimpaco Are you Korean? It's true that Japan army was horrible back then, & the military deserved to be defeated. But the bomb was dropped on a civilian population. It killed children who had nothing to do with the war or the invasions. Not to mention that the North (Korea) was slaughtering fellow Koreans left and right. I'm from a younger generation, I have both Korean & Japanese friends & we all get along, but we all agree that murdering a civilian population is and will always be wrong.
vacantidentity 1 year ago
we Americans need to stop looking at this as "our" war. We did not fight in it; those who came before us did. We had nothing to do with the tragedy that is the atomic bombings or the war.
We need to stop referring to things this country has done before us with the word "we"
Zehydra106 1 year ago
Hey you weebos have no idea what the Japanese were like. If it wasn't for those bombings I doubt you would have anime today. Japan completely changed after those attacks.
darkstar3x16 1 year ago
I wright this because my cousin japanese, how do you think my cousin is feeling right now about this bomb? do you think my cousin would agree as yours?
MrShapiroman 1 year ago
Truman didn't fu*k around
bufford4 1 year ago
Truman zionist criminal !!
Naufragio85 1 year ago
Why is Japan so quite and laying low from geopolitics???? Maybe because there putting all their resources towards serving up a can of revenge.
mexicanboy92840 1 year ago
@GhostRecon756 atleast were healthy adn not fat unlike u mcdonalds addicts u piece of shiyt un technological faggots
goriokun 1 year ago
@goriokun when you start making any sense at all, you can reply to this post.
drewricomakeubu1 1 year ago
The funny things is that the whole world does not like what Truman did to this day, most of the 200,000 people who died where civilians not soldiers. Even if the Bomb avoided an invation there was no notion sparing civilian lives.
sizedoctor 1 year ago
fuck you bastard
rasedsumon 1 year ago
WW3 is sooner than later. North Korea seems like there not gonna f around. Idk when there sendin that missle or w.e it is on japan.
RTR9 1 year ago
2 people are Japs!
GhostRecon756 1 year ago
@GhostRecon756 fuck you dickweed
longcatisloooooong 1 year ago
and one more thing, my cousin is half japanese, do you think he would write the same thing as yours? how do you think my cousin is feeling now?
MrShapiroman 1 year ago
escuse me but, don't you think it would be a less destruction if we have just detonated the bomb a little close to the coast of japan so the japs can see the power of the atomic bomb, and then we could have scared them and they would have give up so no one would have get hurt?
MrShapiroman 1 year ago
@MrShapiroman Sorry, no. A demonstration would have given Truman moral high ground, but not a Japanese surrender. 3 days after Hiroshima- still no surrender. 15 hours after Nagasaki, 'god/man' hirohito gave the order to accept the Potsdam Declaration- unconditional surrender. Please explain to the families of 100,000 Allied POWs & 100,000 civilian internees how long the US should have waited before using the A bombs
kentamitchell 1 year ago
@MrShapiroman War doesn't work that way. You can not attack a country and pull them into war and not expect anything bad to happen. Japan wanted to attack Pearl Harbor, so they should have known the risks. War is a horrible thing, but if you attack someone stronger than you, expect to be knocked on your ass.
AntiRacismAndHateCom 1 year ago
@MrShapiroman they didnt surrender until we dropped the second atom bomb, what makes you think they wouldve surrendered when they saw one in the ocean.
drewricomakeubu1 1 year ago
Why not the full thing?
PierzStyx 1 year ago
Harry Truman was a sack of shit. He thinks the lives of innocent japanese civilians are worth less than the lives of American soldiers. What a selfish asshole.
Imran500 1 year ago
@Imran500 Its just the opposite. If we had invaded Japan the army and civilian partisan fighters would have never surrendered. Millions on millions would have died in each city as we fought block by block for control of them and bombed them from the skies. Every urban area would have be leveled. For proof of this, look at what we did to WW2 Germany. With the atomic bombs we only ended up destroying TWO cities instead of ALL OF THEM. It saved lives in the end, American AND Japanese.
PierzStyx 1 year ago
@Imran500 That being said, why are you surprised that the leader of a country would be more concerned for his own population than the population of the nation that started the war with his? Do you REALLY want a leader who cares more for your enemy than he does for YOU? I wouldn't.
PierzStyx 1 year ago
@Imran500 The Japanese leadership thought very little of Japanese civilians. Why else would they be giving schoolgirls bamboo sticks to charge machine guns? Training every Japanese civilian to be a freakin' kamikaze to save their dirty little empire. The Japanese certainly thought very little of Chinese and Korean civilians which they killed and enslaved for decades before the US ever entered the war. It's very hard to give the Japanese any moral high ground.
mduncan81 1 year ago
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@Imran500 learn history you dumb piece of shit
drewricomakeubu1 1 year ago
please rot in hell Mr. president!
36allah 1 year ago
@36allah Choke on bacon you burka bitch.
kcufmalsi 1 year ago
GENOCIDA ASESINO
edgaeleo 1 year ago
@edgaeleo Actually, no. Genocide is the marked decision to wipe out an entire race. And we could have to. If we carpet nuked Japan, it would have been an irradiated rock in the ocean and probably killed 90% of the world's Japanese. But we didn't. We weren't out to commit genocide by the obvious fact that Japan still exists. Idiot.
PierzStyx 1 year ago
Japan's POW? But mario needs it to knock down enemies without getting himself in harms way!
Emidretrauqe 1 year ago
Its a great decision, Im proud for president Truman !
XpresloX 1 year ago
Harry Truman, one of the greatest Presidents, ever! I only wish Harry Truman was President on 9/11/01..... The only place Arabic would be spoken is hell.
kcufmalsi 1 year ago
its simple 1 gook = 1 ten millionth of an america i would perfer to see 10,000,0000 gooks die before i see an allie die!
ZombieBOOK 1 year ago
where can i find this in text?
minitwin94 1 year ago
Este presidentico lástimoso y penoso sería un buen ídolo para godofredo cínico caspa. Jaime Garzón.
fejomega 1 year ago
True, and though I don't like the use of nukes for ANY purpose, my family also suffered the murder of my uncle by the Japanese for NO good reason. Quid pro quo I guess. The Japanese Emporor sorely underestimated the US. I am sorry for what that caused to happen to his people, but sorrier for what he caused to happen to mine, first.
Satonica 1 year ago
lol truman is gonna be burning in atomic hell
Mohsin77 1 year ago
aired in 1941 dude they didn't drop the bomb in that year
jeasocrazy 1 year ago
they didnt have to drop an ATOMIC bomb.. geez......
blueberryxmuffins 1 year ago
There is never an excuse when it come to killing innocent civilians, whichever side you're on
Boone191919 1 year ago
You might want to check your dates. You say this was aired on December 2, 1941. On that date, the US had not even entered the war and Truman wasn't President. In fact, he wasn't even vice-president then! The correct date for this is ~ August 6, 1945. Learn your history first before posting incorrect information! Yeessh!
yankeegal01 1 year ago 2
Good decision, good result.
changofsingapore 1 year ago 3
they started it...we finished it.
latinoheat361 1 year ago 29
@latinoheat361 Japan dropped around 1,000 bombs on Pearl Harbor, But 2 from us to take them down :)
GhostRecon756 1 year ago
@latinoheat361 U R A MOTHERFUCKER!
danieljuliolanyon 1 year ago
@latinoheat361 They attacked Pearl Harbor which was wrong, but still it was a military base. America dropped an atomic bomb on a major city which was filled with civilians. They murdered countless kids. People giving you the thumbs up for your comment shows how inhumane we can be. The Japanese army was definitely brutal back then, but how can you people condone the murder of 1000's of innocent kids?
vacantidentity 1 year ago
@vacantidentity What is comes down to is this. Japan didn't want to surrender the United States was planning on invading Japan we would have lost about a million troops if we did that. War is brutal there hasn't been one war were tons of innocents haven't been killed. At the end of the day we wanted our soldiers to come home. Survival of the fittest
marinesSF 11 months ago
@vacantidentity The US Government wasn't going to let hundreds of thousands of Americans die....Put yourselves in their shoes. War isn't ethical...
Aggiesgigem 11 months ago
better them then us.
latinoheat361 1 year ago 2
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The guy was a twat, the war would have easily been ended without killing 100s of thousands of innocent men woman and children.... Complete Prick
Traleo33b 1 year ago
"The war would have easily been ended" What world are you living in??? Come join us in reality.
RomeAndMarty4Ever 1 year ago