see my FTL video clip " i dont want to be free i want to live under state control " -
Is great to see that FTL have had their sights set firmly on Liberty for quite some time now - most of the others who call themselves Libertarians seem content with trying to get their masters permission for more liberty's without ever going for Liberty itself - they seem content spending their lives begging for more freedoms but express no desire to be free
He would not of found freedom in New Hampshire as it is not yet in Anarchism - there is still the existence of power which is law - to create a free society all structures of power must be destroyed - a law is a rule - lawed is ruled - you cannot be free and ruled. If free state project does achieve its goal of Anarchism and creates a beacon of Liberty then others will say "how comes theyre free and not us" then things would really get moving
@CurtHowland It was an ethnic cleansing plan by the zionists. That kind of shit happens if you're trying to establish an X state in an area that's overwhelmingly not X.
@juliaisafilmbuff123 Indeed, the whole partitioning scheme by the British and UN was absurd and insane.
If people want to get together, it deserves to be done voluntarily. Had those who wanted such a homeland simply moved there and bought the land, I think it would have been much less stressful for everyone involved.
Every time govt gets involved and starts using coercion, things go from bad to worse.
@CurtHowland So how will the FSP turn NH into a libertarian paradise when the overwhelming majority of NH residents (especially in my area in SE NH) are not libertarian? Are you going to force it on the general population and just hope that they, like Israeli war criminal Moshe Dayan said, "live like dogs and if they leave they'll leave."
This is an excellent example of why it's so hard to talk to you. There is no force involved. Why you continue to cling to this idea that anyone wants to "force" anyone to be free is beyond my comprehension.
If you like a particular service, subscribe to it. If you want to do good for someone else, do it.
A "libertarian paradise" is one without coercion, interested individuals making the world a better place together.
@CurtHowland But how are you going to go about creating a "libertarian paradise" if most of the people in the area where you're creating it do not want it? Will you "force" them to live under it?
@juliaisafilmbuff123 "But how are you going to go about creating a "libertarian paradise" if most of the people in the area where you're creating it do not want it?"
By simply doing it.
Now let me ask you a direct question: What do you want that is so important you want to hold a gun to your neighbor's head to get it? What ends, to you, justify those means?
You keep telling folks that "most of the people" do not want liberty. Ok, WHY do they want to be coerced?
@CurtHowland Abolishing the state without abolishing capitalism will simply lead towards capitalists re-creating the state, or will lead them to create a bunch of mini-states which will function in the same way. That's why I propose going after the state AND capitalism at the same time.
And my argument isn't in favor of statism. I was simply asking how you are going to get everyone in NH under your idea of libertarianism if most of the population doesn't want it.
If a program, like a soup kitchen, enjoys the majority support it requires to tax fund it, then those who support it have no need to tax, there's plenty of support.
If a program does not enjoy sufficient support from people to fund it voluntarily, then it does not have the support necessary to have it be tax funded in the first place.
What we have is many small, special interest projects each eating tax money because the politicians wanted votes.
@juliaisafilmbuff123 Because of "distributed costs, concentrated benefits", it's easy to say that this or that program does good, and costs so little for each taxpayer. But that is only true in detail, not of the whole mass of crap.
The perverse incentives of bureaucracy make every govt run program cost many times what any good is actually done by that program, if any.
So no matter how beneficial you think your program would be, it is better done without taxation, regulation, and coercion.
@infowazz You have no idea how glad I am not to live in NC any more.
I wish it could have happened under better circumstances, but life is like that. Sometimes one leaves because one wants to, other times one has to run one step ahead of the ex-wife's jackboots.
@CurtHowland You are somewhat misinformed on the issue of tobacco subsidies they have been phased out so after next year there will be no government tobacco subsidies. New Hampshire farmers are also wedded to their subsidies. The only reason they get less is due to size and fewer farms. Even so New Hampshire farmers got over 58 million in subsidies from 1995 - 2009. I agree however NH has a better chance for change and why I recommended young Liberty activist move to NH.
@libertyfizz "so after next year there will be no government tobacco subsidies."
That is next year.
And yes, I know farm subsidies are pervasive, as well as proposed and present "green" subsidies effecting the ecologically minded New England states. Nowhere is pure as the driven snow, as it were.
Living in NC, it's clear that there Liberty is a hopeless cause.
@CurtHowland Yet for some reason many of the best Libertarian thinkers have called North Carolina home. I would not call NC hopeless but more improbable. Sorry you have such a low opinion of a state that was home to Harry Browne, Mary Ruwart, and Michael Munger. I only see NH has a little less improbable it isn't a lock that Liberty will take hold there. The problem is national not just state by state. I am just as likely to want to expatriate as move to NH in search of freedom.
@libertyfizz I also mentioned the John Locke Foundation, which I wish New Hampshire had. The New Hampshire Liberty Alliance tries, but the JLF is just so very much more professional about it all.
Ah well, Just as Browne, Ruwart and Muger, I also -left- NC.
see my FTL video clip " i dont want to be free i want to live under state control " -
Is great to see that FTL have had their sights set firmly on Liberty for quite some time now - most of the others who call themselves Libertarians seem content with trying to get their masters permission for more liberty's without ever going for Liberty itself - they seem content spending their lives begging for more freedoms but express no desire to be free
godkingofthepunks 9 months ago
He would not of found freedom in New Hampshire as it is not yet in Anarchism - there is still the existence of power which is law - to create a free society all structures of power must be destroyed - a law is a rule - lawed is ruled - you cannot be free and ruled. If free state project does achieve its goal of Anarchism and creates a beacon of Liberty then others will say "how comes theyre free and not us" then things would really get moving
godkingofthepunks 9 months ago
i am going to NH!!!!
infowazz 10 months ago
The Free State Project: because the John Galts need their own zionist movement!
Can't wait for your "Plan Dalet" against statists....
juliaisafilmbuff123 10 months ago
@juliaisafilmbuff123 "Plan Dalet"? Interesting, I have to look that one up.
CurtHowland 10 months ago
@CurtHowland It was an ethnic cleansing plan by the zionists. That kind of shit happens if you're trying to establish an X state in an area that's overwhelmingly not X.
juliaisafilmbuff123 10 months ago
@juliaisafilmbuff123 Indeed, the whole partitioning scheme by the British and UN was absurd and insane.
If people want to get together, it deserves to be done voluntarily. Had those who wanted such a homeland simply moved there and bought the land, I think it would have been much less stressful for everyone involved.
Every time govt gets involved and starts using coercion, things go from bad to worse.
CurtHowland 10 months ago
@CurtHowland So how will the FSP turn NH into a libertarian paradise when the overwhelming majority of NH residents (especially in my area in SE NH) are not libertarian? Are you going to force it on the general population and just hope that they, like Israeli war criminal Moshe Dayan said, "live like dogs and if they leave they'll leave."
juliaisafilmbuff123 10 months ago
@juliaisafilmbuff123 "Are you going to force it on the general population"
This is an excellent example of why it's so hard to talk to you. There is no force involved. Why you continue to cling to this idea that anyone wants to "force" anyone to be free is beyond my comprehension.
If you like a particular service, subscribe to it. If you want to do good for someone else, do it.
A "libertarian paradise" is one without coercion, interested individuals making the world a better place together.
CurtHowland 10 months ago
@CurtHowland But how are you going to go about creating a "libertarian paradise" if most of the people in the area where you're creating it do not want it? Will you "force" them to live under it?
juliaisafilmbuff123 10 months ago
@juliaisafilmbuff123 "But how are you going to go about creating a "libertarian paradise" if most of the people in the area where you're creating it do not want it?"
By simply doing it.
Now let me ask you a direct question: What do you want that is so important you want to hold a gun to your neighbor's head to get it? What ends, to you, justify those means?
You keep telling folks that "most of the people" do not want liberty. Ok, WHY do they want to be coerced?
CurtHowland 10 months ago
@CurtHowland Abolishing the state without abolishing capitalism will simply lead towards capitalists re-creating the state, or will lead them to create a bunch of mini-states which will function in the same way. That's why I propose going after the state AND capitalism at the same time.
And my argument isn't in favor of statism. I was simply asking how you are going to get everyone in NH under your idea of libertarianism if most of the population doesn't want it.
juliaisafilmbuff123 10 months ago
@juliaisafilmbuff123 "without abolishing capitalism"
Here we go again. Your false idea of what "capitalism" is constantly ruins ever attempt to talk to you.
"how you are going to get everyone in NH under your idea of libertarianism if most of the population doesn't want it."
I'm not. You can live, voluntarily, under any system you want. That's called "choice".
Now, again, why do YOU want to hold a gun to your neighbor's head? You keep saying you're not in favor of freedom.
CurtHowland 10 months ago
@juliaisafilmbuff123 Let me elaborate just a bit.
If a program, like a soup kitchen, enjoys the majority support it requires to tax fund it, then those who support it have no need to tax, there's plenty of support.
If a program does not enjoy sufficient support from people to fund it voluntarily, then it does not have the support necessary to have it be tax funded in the first place.
What we have is many small, special interest projects each eating tax money because the politicians wanted votes.
CurtHowland 10 months ago
@juliaisafilmbuff123 Because of "distributed costs, concentrated benefits", it's easy to say that this or that program does good, and costs so little for each taxpayer. But that is only true in detail, not of the whole mass of crap.
The perverse incentives of bureaucracy make every govt run program cost many times what any good is actually done by that program, if any.
So no matter how beneficial you think your program would be, it is better done without taxation, regulation, and coercion.
CurtHowland 10 months ago
I am from NC...freedom exists. You just need to know where to look and stop signing their CON-TRACTS.
younitehumanity 10 months ago
North Carolina is a complete waste of time Liberty wise.
They are utterly wedded to their tobacco subsidies, cotton subsidies, corn subsidies, etc etc etc.
They do have the John Locke Foundation, which are good folks and have a YouTube channel, /user/JohnLockeFoundation1
I don't know anything in NH as well established as they are, nice publication, etc.
CurtHowland 10 months ago
@CurtHowland i live in Durham, moved here from Buffalo 3 years ago, and these people have no clue about anything besides Duke and Tar Heels.
infowazz 10 months ago
@infowazz You have no idea how glad I am not to live in NC any more.
I wish it could have happened under better circumstances, but life is like that. Sometimes one leaves because one wants to, other times one has to run one step ahead of the ex-wife's jackboots.
CurtHowland 10 months ago
@CurtHowland You are somewhat misinformed on the issue of tobacco subsidies they have been phased out so after next year there will be no government tobacco subsidies. New Hampshire farmers are also wedded to their subsidies. The only reason they get less is due to size and fewer farms. Even so New Hampshire farmers got over 58 million in subsidies from 1995 - 2009. I agree however NH has a better chance for change and why I recommended young Liberty activist move to NH.
libertyfizz 9 months ago
@libertyfizz "so after next year there will be no government tobacco subsidies."
That is next year.
And yes, I know farm subsidies are pervasive, as well as proposed and present "green" subsidies effecting the ecologically minded New England states. Nowhere is pure as the driven snow, as it were.
Living in NC, it's clear that there Liberty is a hopeless cause.
CurtHowland 9 months ago
@CurtHowland Yet for some reason many of the best Libertarian thinkers have called North Carolina home. I would not call NC hopeless but more improbable. Sorry you have such a low opinion of a state that was home to Harry Browne, Mary Ruwart, and Michael Munger. I only see NH has a little less improbable it isn't a lock that Liberty will take hold there. The problem is national not just state by state. I am just as likely to want to expatriate as move to NH in search of freedom.
libertyfizz 9 months ago
@libertyfizz I also mentioned the John Locke Foundation, which I wish New Hampshire had. The New Hampshire Liberty Alliance tries, but the JLF is just so very much more professional about it all.
Ah well, Just as Browne, Ruwart and Muger, I also -left- NC.
CurtHowland 9 months ago