thanks to Journeyman Pictures for putting together all these awesome videos.
the japanese civilians did nothing wrong. they were just puppets manipulated by the mindless leaders at the top, only to suffer these results for their deference.
That was an amazing documentary, I live in Japan and I am American. I am often sad about what the people went through. I am in the US Navy and I live in between the places where the only nuclear attacks in History took place. I am inspired by the resilience and strength of the Japanese.
Interesting documentary. I like the Hiroshima tram network and their beautifull old tams. A bunch of trams were destroyed during the bombing, but was repaired and can still be seen driving the streets of Hiroshima, quality stuf! I wonder how many of our modern trams could suvive a nuclear blast. I Would love to come to Hiroshima once and ride the trams.
@Sohave There's still a tram that runs in Tokyo too!!! Toden Arakawa... J-gov is giving away 10,000 free trips to Japan to promote tourism. Not sure how to apply... hurry up over. Hiroshima is a wonderful city... I recommend visiting Kurashiki and Miya Jima too.
The bombing was terrible. But to those of you that say it was a war crime, I suggest to you that the Japanese government were the true criminals. Letting their people die just to slightly postpone the inevitable was selfish, and horrific. Their actions in China and Korea further this.
America had no real choice but to bomb; the other option was a land invasion, which would have had far more casualties on both sides.
The alleged 'war crimes' of the Americans pale in comparison to the Jap.Gov
Japans war did not end one month or even one year after two atom bombs were used to so called end the war.
In part it ended in 1952 with the signing of the "Treaty of San Francisco" plus other events around that same time to truly end WW2.
-Any idea other then, The US wished to end its war with Japan before the Russians could fully enter the area of combat to then share in Japans booty is called "PROPAGANDA".
Just becuase a US gov't textbook says WW2 ended in AUG. 1945 does not make it so.
@theguyisinthailand ....brilliant observation......i live in Australia and we have been told forever that Cpt James Cook was the first white man to discover the east coast of australia, there have been ships found of the east coast, clearly of european origin, older than those of the endeavours era, that for some reason, have been deemed as private property and it is illea
gal to enter the waters around these ships, let alone to dive near them for research purposes even..yay to the text books
One important fact, is that the Japanese government does not feel remorse for the murdered/raped Asians and Caucasians of WWII. Many times Asian countries has pressured for a apology from Japan and they refused. Their war criminals up in shrines still to this day. Their history textbook taught thorough Japan conveniently leaving out Japans gruesome roll in WWII, its people NEVER learning from history's mistakes never learning to remember what should never be forgotten.
@cedarvaleave You do realize the size difference in Japan and China right? Of course most Japanese know their history. Compare the size of the country and the population. China's been taken over by different empires so much to the point that there are if I can remember correctly over 52 different chinese cultures.
One thing Im most interested in, was there ever an assassination attempt within the Japanese to stop such evil from occurring? No doubt we have heard countless stories of Nazi germany of plots to assassinate Hilter from within, because the people realized the evil perpetrated and had the courage and conscience to stand and try to stop it. Did the Japanese? They were not far from being the Asian version of Nazi, raping/torturing people and breeding racism from within.
The Japanese during WWII were training EVERY one of their citizens to resist an American invasion. They told kids to use their height to their advantage to stab Americans in their stomachs. They told women to try to seduce the solders and then kill them. They began teaching almost every physically capable person how to wield a sword and how to fire a gun. Therefore all Japanese citizens were not classified as civilians. The dropping of the two atomic bomb was the right and necessary thing to do.
Without the use of an atomic bomb in 1945, US Troops would invade Japan. The US military end state was complete annihilation of Japan's ability to wage war. War is hell. My point is large numbers of human lives were going to be lost. No one knows exactly how man casualties both sides would have sustained. I suggest viewers read about the internment of Japanese Americans on US soil during WWII. I also suggest reading about PSYOP based on lies during WWII by both sides which fueled the fear.
war crimes were committed on all sides so get off you're high horse no one is a hero if they have to kill people no matter what side their on .murder is murder and nothing gives anyone the right to kill innocent people or do you just support murder if it benefits you ? does it really excuse the murder of men women and children on any side.why blame a whole race of people on a choice their government made all those years ago
Soldiers are one thing and civilians another. Soldiers go into battle ready to die, so that civilians don't have to. The bombing of cities and non- military targets is murder, not war. Saving military lives by killing helpless civilians can never be justified.
@Tedheterjagosvosv The Japanese mindset was to commit suicide in the face of the US military like in the battle of the Philippines thousands of civilians jumped off cliffs in the face of the american victory.
@Tedheterjagosvosv Hiroshima was the headquarters of the Japanese 2nd General Army under Field Marshal Hata.43,000J troops were in the city & >20,000 died in the bombing.
no man is an Island ,no man stand alone...but we should remember that human beings is not only a body but with in us we have spiritual beings that we should respect and love one another...no war will happened anymore...I hope that someday we live in harmony what ever cultures and races we had...the answer of war and trouble is to obey God"s commandment... Love God with all your heart, mind, soul and spirit and Love your neighbor as yourselves...hehe thanks.
120 000 women raped and murdered in nanking 1937, 20 000 in malaya, 1942, 36 000 in the Phillippines, 1942, 5 000 in Singapore, 50 000 in the dutch east indies(Indonesia) 1942, 10 000 French indo China, 1941.... and we haven't even got to the male CIVILLIANS yet.. so, I think those "tram girls" are getting the better end of the bargain there!!! STOP WHINING!!!! in comparison to those girls, you wre living like princesses!!! Some of those were as young as 9!!!!
@ViridianLament No... if the two were not dropped, japan is going to fight till the last man. Washington's estimate would be 1,000,000 allies killed alone... not counting the devastation on Japanese lives which would be in the millions! The invasion of Japan is not an option, the invasion of normady was just a prelude of what is going to happen. Beleve me, if ther was an invasion of japan, today there would not be even a japan to speak of! so rest in peace..
@drybro117 that's a stupid thing to say people should have respect for other people's life no matter what.no one is born just to be wiped off the face of the earth whether there was a war or not after all innocent people died on all sides men women children and babies who diden't even want a war were murdred and nothing excuses taking a life.look at where war has got us is this world any better ? no its not .nothing will get any better if we all resort to war when ever we feel like it.
@ViridianLament So was infecting Chinese citizens with bubonic plague and kidnapping them to do viva sections (autopsy's of people while they're still alive). All of WWII was one big giant war crime, if you couldn't tell...If those bombs hadn't dropped then MANY more millions of people would have died and that's a fact.
I don't care what anyone says.. those innocent people didn't deserve to be bombed. Why would innocent civilians need to pay for something they didn't even do? I live in America and I love my country but in no way am I happy with a lot of decisions that were made. It's no surprise that such a significant amount of the world can't stand us.
As bad and tragic as the lousy Bomb was, remember. Without the bomb, the war would have lasted until 1946. 1 million American soldiers plus countless Japanese would have died. Most of you people complaining about the bomb, maybe all of us wouldn't exist because our grandfathers would have died in the conflict. Then, Russia would have intervened. Japan would be divided in 2, just like Germany. A communist north, and a democratic South. The Cold War would still be around today.
SO Yupjuyeahs, Let me get this straight.... China and Korea did absolutely nothing, and they get attacked, raped, and slaughtered by Japan. AND JAPAN RAPED slaughtered, and murdered through all of asia. AND UR SAYING THEY dont deserve to get attacked? or BOMBED? IS THAT WHAT U ARE SAYING? UR saying they didnt deserve it? WELL CHINA and KOREA didnt deserve that, BUT JAPAN DID IT FUCKEN ANWAYS RIGHT? AND NOW U WANT JUSTICE? LOL FUCKEN ridiculous jap.... U just got pwned right there.
Interesting video. This is a good example of Journeyman's better work, the sort of thing that keeps me subscribed to Journeyman's channel.
I'm going to avoid the argument over justification for Hiroshima and Nagasaki on the grounds that it's pointless and counter-productive. There's nobody left alive to prosecute for war crimes, even if we could agree that they happened.
My sincere sympathies to all those who died, and their families.
i am sorry, but if germany or Japan had nuke tech back then, they would've used it on everyone else....not just two cities. If the U.S didn't drop the bombs, Japan wasn't going to admit defeat, and more innocent people would've died.
One can never blame an entire people for the crimes of some or of their governments. That's like saying every German was a Nazi or every Chinese a rabid communist. People are too variable to be categorized as all being one way or the other.
These days people speak of it as if there was an option. And there was an option too! And just what that only other option was needs to be remembered. So let me tell you what it was. It was an invasion of Japan. And such an invasion would have cost many hundreds of thousands of more lives on both sides, than did the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. It has been estimated that it may well have been into the millions. So let it alone now.... It was what it was.
@WizardOfChicamunga Thanks for reciting the opinion of the flight captain who dropped the bomb. Certainly his analysis is both unbiased and unquestionably correct. The fact that Japan had no allies left, that their forces were crushed at all fronts and that the Red Army was cutting through Manchuria at an unspeakable pace, as also written in Hirohito's letters, was absolutely no indication of coming surrender. Bah... US American inability to cope with their own mistakes is simply disgusting.
@Yupiyeahs That detail about the flight captain is a moot point after 66 years. Now after all these years and thorough research, it has become the opinion of more than 99% of all notable historians. So what's your reason for being stuck in a time warp? Your argument is as dead as all the victims of that war.
@WizardOfChicamunga Well, if it's the opinion of 99% of all notable historians, certainly you could easily point me to a peer-reviewed paper that would state something along these lines. 90/80/70% would do too. I'm all ears. Curiously enough, none of the documentaries produced outside of US that I've ever seen on the topic were this one-sided; neither is the Wikipedia page.
Sure, there'll be some that agree with you, but stating that it's some kind of universally agreed on fact is a blatant lie.
@Yupiyeahs Mexican standoff huh? You cannot prove the charges it is a blatant lie. But I am also relying on the well known fact that immediately after VE the GI's in Europe were already being sorted out for what they knew was the invasion. Ask any VE Veteran.Now then why don't you just kiss my ass, and while you're at it..... blow me!
@WizardOfChicamunga I don't have to prove anything. You're making the claim, you have to provide the evidence. Simple dialectics. On my part though, I'd like to quote someone more reputable than a GI. US Admiral Nimitz: "The Japanese had, in fact, already sued for peace. The atomic bomb played no decisive part, from a purely military point of view, in the defeat of Japan."
Could you now source those 99%? You won't, because you can't. Why? Because it is a cheap, primitive lie and you know it.
@Yupiyeahs It was you dickweed that made the charges that what I said was not true. Therefore it is you who has the responsibility to prove it isn't. You fucking idiot! So either prove it is a lie, or shut the fuck up!
@WizardOfChicamunga It's great that your idea of making a point is throwing a barrage of curse words. Very clever and convincing. I've provided you with a quote for Nimitz to support my only point, that is, that the attack was unnecessary. With that, my statement is sourced. You've made a counterargument that 99% of contemporary historians agree with you. Source it.
My, if you're going to make up fictitious claims on the internet, at least be a little more modest with numbers. 99%? *rolleyes*
@Yupiyeahs You're very perceptive! You can distinguish 'curse' words. I'm not on this planet to placate you or anyone with regards to the words I use. That is my business. You merely stated what YOU claim Nimitz said. But produced no evidence other than your claim. I don't mind a good debate, but unlike you, I'd rather win with reasoning and intelligent thought, not simply the 'last word'. At this point I'm perfectly content to leave this one with you having a twisted understanding of history.
@Yupiyeahs And you have proved to my satisfaction that to do the necessary work would be pointless because of the fact you do not intend to change your opinion. And that is ok with me. You're only here to engage in verbal combat. I can do that well up to a point, my preference now would be to see you face to face where I could physically unscrew your fucking head and take a giant shit in the hole. But that is unfortunately not the case. Keep your miss-understanding, I won't work for nothing.
@WizardOfChicamunga Look, pal, you made a fictitious claim. Unless you're unaware that the claim is bogus, you lied. Get over it. If you want to change opinions, provide evidence. I certainly have.
If you need a source for Nimitz quote, simply copy-paste that exact line in Google. You'll end up at an .edu page very quickly. It's not some kind of hidden knowledge. I will gladly accept a similar kind of quote about the 99%.
@Yupiyeahs Let's clear this up shitbrain. I'm not your pal. You made the charge that I lied. BACK UP THAT CHARGE FUCKER If you can't or won't fine. But it is NOT mine to do with. In court when you make a guilty charge of lying, it is YOU who has to prove that guilt. NOT the other way around. If you don't care to believe what I have said (which I have already proved to my own satisfaction) that is ok with me. I do not owe you a fucking thing. You stupid worthless fuck!
@Yupiyeahs You're incredible! You have the uncanny ability to divine the exact opinion I've had of you from the start. Except unlike you, I do not visualize an imaginary following behind me for support Only the weak see a need for support.... Good day???.... LMAO! ... Pussy!
@YouSirAreAHypocrite Besides, why don't you mind your own fucking business and just stick to being the poster child for Gay America!... Fuckin' jerk-off!
@Yupiyeahs dosent meant they didnt deserve it. Its sad, but the horrors of dying from a nuke, is nothing compared to the horrors japan unleashed on millions of asians. They got what they deserved, and Im sure the sneaky, honorless barbarian style suprise attack,without a declaration of war, on pearl harbor also had somthing to do with the decision to drop the bomb. In the end, Japan got what they deserved. The real mistake was japan attacking pearl harbor. And japan HAS to cope withthat mistake.
@tigerjonn Unlike WOC's ramble above, whether or not they deserved it isn't something written in stone. I would think not and here's why: we don't punish innocent civilians for war crimes committed by soldiers. We didn't round up German civilians for Auschwitz, we shouldn't have rounded up Japanese civilians. The infants, plumbers and seamstresses in Hiroshima were about as responsible for Nanking as you and me are for the Mai Lai Massacre. Justice must be served in courts, not 15 kiloton boxes.
@Yupiyeahs BUT japan did murder innocent civilians, millions of them. They werent japanese civilians. Sure people in hiroshima were not at fault. BUT then what about the millions of innocent asians civilians japan stole raped and murdered from? What fault did they have? And japans medical research, (torture) was as big a program as Germanys. Innocent civilians in hiroshima, had to pay for all the innocent civilians the japanese army murdered. How many anti war protests by japanese in ww2? None.
@Yupiyeahs You say justice must be served in courts. Well which courts gave japanese army right to invade steal, rape and murder from all of asia? Japanese army didnt punish innocent civilians for war crimes, because they were busy raping and murdering them. No punishment, because the innocent civilians were not at fault for anything. Just plain rape and murder. SO your saying it was OKAY for japan to rape and murder civilians, but not if it was japanese civilians. Thats what u are saying.
@tigerjonn A parallel for you: Al-Qa'ida killed over 10k people in the WTC. We consider it to be an act of terror and a murder of innocents. Does that give us the right to specifically bombard civilian installations, i.e. hospitals, orphanages, schools, in Afghanistan with the specific aim of killing women and children? If we do that, we too become terrorists.
The same applies to Japan. Their war criminals killed innocents, but that doesn't mean we should become war criminals ourselves. We did.
@tigerjonn Perhaps another, better analogy. The Red Army is accused of raping German women as they marched for Berlin. Germans, however, have killed many Russian civilians, probably raping a few. Are the Russian soldiers justified to rape German women? According to you, absolutely, because Nazi soldiers weren't any better and it's perfectly reasonable for German women to pay the price. Bravo to Red Army rapists! Let's give them some medals for this.
@Yupiyeahs Germany as a country is as fault for letting hitler taking over and starting a world war. Just as japanese didnt do anything to stop their government from invading all of asia. But atleast in germany, many people were against the nazi government, and tried to assasinate hitler, helped jews esacape or hide and overall knew that the german government was wrong. DID ONE japanese try to stop imperial japan? DID ONE japanese try to kill the emperor? Were any japanese against the war? No.,.
@tigerjonn Do you know how many assassination attempts there were on Hitler and how many people hid Jews? If the number of individuals involved is even close to 0.1%, I'd be impressed. The majority of Germans did nothing. They went about their daily lives, working, cooking, raising children. So did the Japanese. The fact that the former might have been somewhat better informed and somewhat less indoctrinated is barely relevant.
Still, answer the question about the Red Army. Just punishment?
@tigerjonn How you can condemn civilians, who were thousands of miles away from the armies committing the actual crimes and cheerfully support their death penalty is beyond me. I can't help but wonder if it is some odd combination of national pride, propaganda and racism that guides your point of view. It's revolting and monstrous at best and sociopathic at worst. The only reassuring thing about our exchange is that you don't seem to be the type that will ever run a nation, a court or an army.
@Yupiyeahs The real racism is, The fact that when u say "CIVILIANS" You only mean japanese civilians. Your against armies attacking civilians, but only JAPANESE civilians. THE FACT that japanese military slaughtered millions of civilians dosent even count to you. Thats the real racism. I take into account of all the asian countries civilians, while you only account for japanese civilians. My point of view is not racism or propaganda, but truth from all points of view. U should try it.
@Yupiyeahs The real propaganda, is you not once mentioned japanese atrocities. You would like to ignore that subject. You dont want to talk about the evil deeds japan did. You only want to talk about, innocent japanese civilians. Innocent japanese civilians who waved their EVIL EMPERIAL JAPANESE FLAGS proudly. "INNOCENT" japanese civilians who overwhelmingly supported the invasions. Thats not innocent civilians.
@tigerjonn Thank you, finally someone with some sense. Its disgusting to say these "innocent" people didnt deserved being bombed - but what about the MASSES of innocent women being raped by Japanese soldiers and civilians being tortured and used as practice dummies for shooting? Did they deserve to die more than the Japanese? The bomb had to be dropped, and it saved millions. All those who believed it should not have been dropped unwitting condone the mass murder and torture of millions.
@Yupiyeahs Even for a japs, i cant understand your idealogy at all. Sure getting nuked was sad. BUT THEY DID DESERVE IT. CHINA and KOREA didnt deserve what japan did to them. BUT JAPAN DID DESERVE IT. IF lets say, NORTH KOREA invades japan, stole raped and murdered millions of japanese civilians, Destroyed japan, Just so they could steal japans wealth. AND someone finally stops north korea, but bombing them. but killin many NK civlians. You dont think north korea deserved that? LOL PWNED.
@tigerjonn No, I don't think North Korean -civilians- would have deserved it and I would sincerely hope the person signing the order is promptly put before a firing squad, preferably right next to the gentlemen doing the raping and the murdering. The Geneva Conventions are there for a reason. We punish criminals, not the people who just happened to have been born in the same country as them. Unfortunately, this simple concept is what your ignorant racist ass repeatedly fails to comprehend.
@fjslfhalfhkdjfh Hey, its sad, but deserved it. 9/11 was sad, but it was just blowback from our own operations. And your question is not a complete question,just half a question, american civilians deserve what? lol!
I don't think they deserved that. In the war many innocent lives were lost on all sides. Yes many died at the hands of japanese soldiers and it was a terrible and disgusting thing but the lesson we should have learned from the war is not that the bombing was justified but that violence is never justified. What we should be is ashamed that a war happened and accept blame on all sides for ever thinking that war was the answer. If we keep trying to place blame history is doomed to repeat itself.
@P1MP3TTE the lesson we learn is that way more people wouldve died without the bombing. The bomb saved many innocent lives on both allies and the japanese side. If America had to go through a full scale invasion of japan, many more japanese civilians wouldve died. Overall not only did japan deserve the bomb. but it was also good for everyone.
Of course, popsie is wrong too. I seriously doubt it was willminkorea who dropped the bombs.
This whole kind of thinking is just fucking stupid. Countries are not people. Countries are not 'good' or 'bad'. Every country has buckets of blood on its hands and every country has wonderful achievements and merits in its past. Life is not a competition to prove how you're a saint and everyone else is a sinner. It's just too fucking simplistic.
*sigh* Trying to teach YouTubers ethics... waste of time
@tSp289 I came to that conclusion a long time ago. Most turn into either bigots, moral judges (without looking into their own backyards) or just damn redneck morons.......Sometimes I just give up and let these quasi-puritanical brick-brains to it!
@chakazulu87 There's truth and there's tact. Maybe it was necessary to bomb hiroshima and nagasaki to end the war (US had damn near run out of money and munitions), but going onto a video about the civilian victims of the bombing and reminding us that Japan had allied with bad people and done bad things is essentially like saying "they had it coming". They bloody didn't. Their leaders did, maybe, and the soldiers who committed horriffic crimes, but the tram girls? Shopkeepers? Chimney-sweeps?
@tSp289 Tell that to the Chinese & Koreans who were killed raped & tortured by the Japanese army. I do believe they got a dose of their own medicine . However of course as a human I have sympathy for the victims of the atomic bomb. I will repeat the Emperor didn't surrender until the second bomb on a city. If bombing Hiroshima wasn't shit to him what makes you think bombing a military base was? The situation was dire
@tSp289 The people actually supported their prime ministers because the people of Japan believed them to be divine and descendants of god. This belief is called "State Shinto". The Japanese had a lot of pride and honor in their country as well, so they ultimately supported the prime minister's every move. So coupled together, Japanese people supported Japanese imperialism. The allied had every right to remind them that they are not descendants of god and they can't act like spoiled children.
@willminkorea so we shouldn't feel sorry for them? I feel shame at the destruction done by my country's bombers over Germany, even though the Germans did it back with gusto, and it was necessary to take out their infrastructure, and even though put in that same situation, I would probably be dropping the bombs myself. No matter what the 'greater good' may be, do not forget or disregard the innocents who die whenever there is war. Unlike the soldiers, they did not sign up to fight.
remember, you are a brainwashed monkey, who only knows the propaganda the school system has told you..
You probably never have read a book out of free will in your LIFE and try to teach others "history" , go do some independent research before you spew such crap.
The US Military were well informed about Japans coming attack and just let it happen, now i wonder why
but keep lying to yourself: " NONO not in OUR great country, thats impossible, we are so NOBLE"
@willminkorea I agree after all the stupid shit my governement (US) has done (or is doing). One thing I defend 100% was the atomic bomb. Some asshole is going to comment how Harry Truman is a war criminal. We also remember it wasn't until the second bombing of Nagasaki when Japan finally surrendered.
wow, i really hope all of those ladies are still alive :/ God bless their families.
iamTeruya 2 weeks ago
An American dirty job, and is contuning now.
Palovxontora 4 weeks ago
thanks to Journeyman Pictures for putting together all these awesome videos.
the japanese civilians did nothing wrong. they were just puppets manipulated by the mindless leaders at the top, only to suffer these results for their deference.
PigSty1985 2 months ago
That was an amazing documentary, I live in Japan and I am American. I am often sad about what the people went through. I am in the US Navy and I live in between the places where the only nuclear attacks in History took place. I am inspired by the resilience and strength of the Japanese.
jjugglerredding 3 months ago 2
to those who say the Japaneese deserved the bomb, word of caution, everyone WILL eventually get exactly what they deserve.
AlecStrauss 3 months ago
Trust me, China, Vietnam, Korea, are glad the bomb was in US hands.
ett40146 5 months ago
English grammer is a wonderful thing. Please try to use it correctly.
TheTheoldgit 5 months ago
Interesting documentary. I like the Hiroshima tram network and their beautifull old tams. A bunch of trams were destroyed during the bombing, but was repaired and can still be seen driving the streets of Hiroshima, quality stuf! I wonder how many of our modern trams could suvive a nuclear blast. I Would love to come to Hiroshima once and ride the trams.
Sohave 6 months ago
@Sohave There's still a tram that runs in Tokyo too!!! Toden Arakawa... J-gov is giving away 10,000 free trips to Japan to promote tourism. Not sure how to apply... hurry up over. Hiroshima is a wonderful city... I recommend visiting Kurashiki and Miya Jima too.
EddieLandsberg 5 months ago
The bombing was terrible. But to those of you that say it was a war crime, I suggest to you that the Japanese government were the true criminals. Letting their people die just to slightly postpone the inevitable was selfish, and horrific. Their actions in China and Korea further this.
America had no real choice but to bomb; the other option was a land invasion, which would have had far more casualties on both sides.
The alleged 'war crimes' of the Americans pale in comparison to the Jap.Gov
aaron18xx 7 months ago
Japans war did not end one month or even one year after two atom bombs were used to so called end the war.
In part it ended in 1952 with the signing of the "Treaty of San Francisco" plus other events around that same time to truly end WW2.
-Any idea other then, The US wished to end its war with Japan before the Russians could fully enter the area of combat to then share in Japans booty is called "PROPAGANDA".
Just becuase a US gov't textbook says WW2 ended in AUG. 1945 does not make it so.
theguyisinthailand 8 months ago
@theguyisinthailand ....brilliant observation......i live in Australia and we have been told forever that Cpt James Cook was the first white man to discover the east coast of australia, there have been ships found of the east coast, clearly of european origin, older than those of the endeavours era, that for some reason, have been deemed as private property and it is illea
gal to enter the waters around these ships, let alone to dive near them for research purposes even..yay to the text books
melodypops2010 8 months ago
Very interesting video
Rafaeru2010 9 months ago
fuccing deserved it ah?
YoungKoolness17 9 months ago
One important fact, is that the Japanese government does not feel remorse for the murdered/raped Asians and Caucasians of WWII. Many times Asian countries has pressured for a apology from Japan and they refused. Their war criminals up in shrines still to this day. Their history textbook taught thorough Japan conveniently leaving out Japans gruesome roll in WWII, its people NEVER learning from history's mistakes never learning to remember what should never be forgotten.
sighx3 9 months ago
@sighx3
You asians?
I meet with Japanese and Mainland Chinese...
Japanese seems to know their history...
But China? history textbooks and media in Mainland China is a lot worse.
cedarvaleave 8 months ago 2
@cedarvaleave
Ignorant cunts on Youtube make me smile.
Daemoni 8 months ago
@cedarvaleave You do realize the size difference in Japan and China right? Of course most Japanese know their history. Compare the size of the country and the population. China's been taken over by different empires so much to the point that there are if I can remember correctly over 52 different chinese cultures.
SpoofTheater 5 months ago
One thing Im most interested in, was there ever an assassination attempt within the Japanese to stop such evil from occurring? No doubt we have heard countless stories of Nazi germany of plots to assassinate Hilter from within, because the people realized the evil perpetrated and had the courage and conscience to stand and try to stop it. Did the Japanese? They were not far from being the Asian version of Nazi, raping/torturing people and breeding racism from within.
sighx3 9 months ago
The Japanese during WWII were training EVERY one of their citizens to resist an American invasion. They told kids to use their height to their advantage to stab Americans in their stomachs. They told women to try to seduce the solders and then kill them. They began teaching almost every physically capable person how to wield a sword and how to fire a gun. Therefore all Japanese citizens were not classified as civilians. The dropping of the two atomic bomb was the right and necessary thing to do.
laalfombra221 10 months ago
Without the use of an atomic bomb in 1945, US Troops would invade Japan. The US military end state was complete annihilation of Japan's ability to wage war. War is hell. My point is large numbers of human lives were going to be lost. No one knows exactly how man casualties both sides would have sustained. I suggest viewers read about the internment of Japanese Americans on US soil during WWII. I also suggest reading about PSYOP based on lies during WWII by both sides which fueled the fear.
nofxmike06 10 months ago
fuck the bomb!
emmamartini 10 months ago
war crimes were committed on all sides so get off you're high horse no one is a hero if they have to kill people no matter what side their on .murder is murder and nothing gives anyone the right to kill innocent people or do you just support murder if it benefits you ? does it really excuse the murder of men women and children on any side.why blame a whole race of people on a choice their government made all those years ago
xallyouleavebehindx 11 months ago
Soldiers are one thing and civilians another. Soldiers go into battle ready to die, so that civilians don't have to. The bombing of cities and non- military targets is murder, not war. Saving military lives by killing helpless civilians can never be justified.
Tedheterjagosvosv 11 months ago 2
@Tedheterjagosvosv The Japanese mindset was to commit suicide in the face of the US military like in the battle of the Philippines thousands of civilians jumped off cliffs in the face of the american victory.
drybro117 11 months ago
@Tedheterjagosvosv Hiroshima was the headquarters of the Japanese 2nd General Army under Field Marshal Hata.43,000J troops were in the city & >20,000 died in the bombing.
kentamitchell 10 months ago
no man is an Island ,no man stand alone...but we should remember that human beings is not only a body but with in us we have spiritual beings that we should respect and love one another...no war will happened anymore...I hope that someday we live in harmony what ever cultures and races we had...the answer of war and trouble is to obey God"s commandment... Love God with all your heart, mind, soul and spirit and Love your neighbor as yourselves...hehe thanks.
1997jez 11 months ago
It's was wrong but still 1 million death is better than 2 million.
tybash 11 months ago
120 000 women raped and murdered in nanking 1937, 20 000 in malaya, 1942, 36 000 in the Phillippines, 1942, 5 000 in Singapore, 50 000 in the dutch east indies(Indonesia) 1942, 10 000 French indo China, 1941.... and we haven't even got to the male CIVILLIANS yet.. so, I think those "tram girls" are getting the better end of the bargain there!!! STOP WHINING!!!! in comparison to those girls, you wre living like princesses!!! Some of those were as young as 9!!!!
thevisamaster 11 months ago 2
@ViridianLament No... if the two were not dropped, japan is going to fight till the last man. Washington's estimate would be 1,000,000 allies killed alone... not counting the devastation on Japanese lives which would be in the millions! The invasion of Japan is not an option, the invasion of normady was just a prelude of what is going to happen. Beleve me, if ther was an invasion of japan, today there would not be even a japan to speak of! so rest in peace..
thevisamaster 11 months ago 2
as a side note the bombs saved more lives than they took
drybro117 11 months ago
@drybro117 that's a stupid thing to say people should have respect for other people's life no matter what.no one is born just to be wiped off the face of the earth whether there was a war or not after all innocent people died on all sides men women children and babies who diden't even want a war were murdred and nothing excuses taking a life.look at where war has got us is this world any better ? no its not .nothing will get any better if we all resort to war when ever we feel like it.
xallyouleavebehindx 11 months ago
@ViridianLament So was infecting Chinese citizens with bubonic plague and kidnapping them to do viva sections (autopsy's of people while they're still alive). All of WWII was one big giant war crime, if you couldn't tell...If those bombs hadn't dropped then MANY more millions of people would have died and that's a fact.
nothing980454 11 months ago
Outstanding film and outstanding work on your part Comrade.
Bravo!!!
Digilinus
Digilinus 11 months ago
I feel bad for Japan now, so much hardships, and they never complain, one of the best, and resliant people I know ;)
TheSilverSultan4 11 months ago
I don't care what anyone says.. those innocent people didn't deserve to be bombed. Why would innocent civilians need to pay for something they didn't even do? I live in America and I love my country but in no way am I happy with a lot of decisions that were made. It's no surprise that such a significant amount of the world can't stand us.
MustBeLove2011 11 months ago 12
The Hitler Maidens were sexier.
73XR673 11 months ago
@ViridianLament of cource using such weapons is a war crime, even having nuclear plants is criminal, not to mention retarded
Ayvean 11 months ago
As bad and tragic as the lousy Bomb was, remember. Without the bomb, the war would have lasted until 1946. 1 million American soldiers plus countless Japanese would have died. Most of you people complaining about the bomb, maybe all of us wouldn't exist because our grandfathers would have died in the conflict. Then, Russia would have intervened. Japan would be divided in 2, just like Germany. A communist north, and a democratic South. The Cold War would still be around today.
vigo894 11 months ago
@vigo894 buuulllllssshhhhit
Ayvean 11 months ago
SO Yupjuyeahs, Let me get this straight.... China and Korea did absolutely nothing, and they get attacked, raped, and slaughtered by Japan. AND JAPAN RAPED slaughtered, and murdered through all of asia. AND UR SAYING THEY dont deserve to get attacked? or BOMBED? IS THAT WHAT U ARE SAYING? UR saying they didnt deserve it? WELL CHINA and KOREA didnt deserve that, BUT JAPAN DID IT FUCKEN ANWAYS RIGHT? AND NOW U WANT JUSTICE? LOL FUCKEN ridiculous jap.... U just got pwned right there.
tigerjonn 11 months ago
It was a war crime and the American government should accept its title as a mass murderer of innocent people.
danielmountain 1 year ago
Interesting video. This is a good example of Journeyman's better work, the sort of thing that keeps me subscribed to Journeyman's channel.
I'm going to avoid the argument over justification for Hiroshima and Nagasaki on the grounds that it's pointless and counter-productive. There's nobody left alive to prosecute for war crimes, even if we could agree that they happened.
My sincere sympathies to all those who died, and their families.
R3dp055um 1 year ago
I've been to Hiroshima in 2008. I rode the trams when I was there too.
I visited the A-Bomb memorial park and the mesuem.
I paid my respect to the victims who died during the A-Bomb attack.
jemdude22 1 year ago
Hiroshima was such an important military city, that before the 6th of August it was never bombed!
73XR673 1 year ago
i am sorry, but if germany or Japan had nuke tech back then, they would've used it on everyone else....not just two cities. If the U.S didn't drop the bombs, Japan wasn't going to admit defeat, and more innocent people would've died.
jali0874 1 year ago
BRAVO!!!!!!
yourgirlchloe 1 year ago
NIce timing journeymanpictures; you brought this controversy and the japan haters out of the woodwork at a time when Japan needs help.
darthjohn0 1 year ago 2
@darthjohn0 journeyman, while interesting, always does dumb stuff like that.
dendara100 1 year ago
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@darthjohn0 "NIce timing journeymanpictures; you brought this controversy and the japan haters out of the woodwork at a time when Japan needs help."
Couldnt have said it any better.
Tzunamii777 1 year ago
This would be a little more sad, if they werent invading, stealing, looting, raping, and murdering through all of asia.
tigerjonn 1 year ago
"If we'd lost the war we'd all have been prosecuted as war Criminals" -Curtis LeMay
hotamali 1 year ago
Some of you hate the USA so much you would openly support the Axis powers (Nazi Germany, Imperial Japan, and Mussolini)??? Wow.
willminkorea 1 year ago
war is a bitch
writofmandamus 1 year ago
I'm pretty sure if the states could of NOT used the nuke, they would of at the time.
cloudzack1090 1 year ago
Such strong woman!
NusaybahBintKa3b 1 year ago
OUTSTANDING documentary, as always! :D
~Cindy! :)
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CindyBradyTooh 1 year ago
VERY INTERESTING VIDEO,THANKS.
dylanfloyd777 1 year ago
One can never blame an entire people for the crimes of some or of their governments. That's like saying every German was a Nazi or every Chinese a rabid communist. People are too variable to be categorized as all being one way or the other.
GaijinGDB 1 year ago
These days people speak of it as if there was an option. And there was an option too! And just what that only other option was needs to be remembered. So let me tell you what it was. It was an invasion of Japan. And such an invasion would have cost many hundreds of thousands of more lives on both sides, than did the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. It has been estimated that it may well have been into the millions. So let it alone now.... It was what it was.
WizardOfChicamunga 1 year ago
@WizardOfChicamunga Thanks for reciting the opinion of the flight captain who dropped the bomb. Certainly his analysis is both unbiased and unquestionably correct. The fact that Japan had no allies left, that their forces were crushed at all fronts and that the Red Army was cutting through Manchuria at an unspeakable pace, as also written in Hirohito's letters, was absolutely no indication of coming surrender. Bah... US American inability to cope with their own mistakes is simply disgusting.
Yupiyeahs 1 year ago 3
@Yupiyeahs That detail about the flight captain is a moot point after 66 years. Now after all these years and thorough research, it has become the opinion of more than 99% of all notable historians. So what's your reason for being stuck in a time warp? Your argument is as dead as all the victims of that war.
WizardOfChicamunga 1 year ago
@WizardOfChicamunga Well, if it's the opinion of 99% of all notable historians, certainly you could easily point me to a peer-reviewed paper that would state something along these lines. 90/80/70% would do too. I'm all ears. Curiously enough, none of the documentaries produced outside of US that I've ever seen on the topic were this one-sided; neither is the Wikipedia page.
Sure, there'll be some that agree with you, but stating that it's some kind of universally agreed on fact is a blatant lie.
Yupiyeahs 1 year ago
@Yupiyeahs Mexican standoff huh? You cannot prove the charges it is a blatant lie. But I am also relying on the well known fact that immediately after VE the GI's in Europe were already being sorted out for what they knew was the invasion. Ask any VE Veteran.Now then why don't you just kiss my ass, and while you're at it..... blow me!
WizardOfChicamunga 1 year ago
@WizardOfChicamunga I don't have to prove anything. You're making the claim, you have to provide the evidence. Simple dialectics. On my part though, I'd like to quote someone more reputable than a GI. US Admiral Nimitz: "The Japanese had, in fact, already sued for peace. The atomic bomb played no decisive part, from a purely military point of view, in the defeat of Japan."
Could you now source those 99%? You won't, because you can't. Why? Because it is a cheap, primitive lie and you know it.
Yupiyeahs 1 year ago
@Yupiyeahs It was you dickweed that made the charges that what I said was not true. Therefore it is you who has the responsibility to prove it isn't. You fucking idiot! So either prove it is a lie, or shut the fuck up!
WizardOfChicamunga 1 year ago
@WizardOfChicamunga It's great that your idea of making a point is throwing a barrage of curse words. Very clever and convincing. I've provided you with a quote for Nimitz to support my only point, that is, that the attack was unnecessary. With that, my statement is sourced. You've made a counterargument that 99% of contemporary historians agree with you. Source it.
My, if you're going to make up fictitious claims on the internet, at least be a little more modest with numbers. 99%? *rolleyes*
Yupiyeahs 1 year ago
@Yupiyeahs You're very perceptive! You can distinguish 'curse' words. I'm not on this planet to placate you or anyone with regards to the words I use. That is my business. You merely stated what YOU claim Nimitz said. But produced no evidence other than your claim. I don't mind a good debate, but unlike you, I'd rather win with reasoning and intelligent thought, not simply the 'last word'. At this point I'm perfectly content to leave this one with you having a twisted understanding of history.
WizardOfChicamunga 1 year ago
@Yupiyeahs And you have proved to my satisfaction that to do the necessary work would be pointless because of the fact you do not intend to change your opinion. And that is ok with me. You're only here to engage in verbal combat. I can do that well up to a point, my preference now would be to see you face to face where I could physically unscrew your fucking head and take a giant shit in the hole. But that is unfortunately not the case. Keep your miss-understanding, I won't work for nothing.
WizardOfChicamunga 1 year ago
@WizardOfChicamunga Look, pal, you made a fictitious claim. Unless you're unaware that the claim is bogus, you lied. Get over it. If you want to change opinions, provide evidence. I certainly have.
If you need a source for Nimitz quote, simply copy-paste that exact line in Google. You'll end up at an .edu page very quickly. It's not some kind of hidden knowledge. I will gladly accept a similar kind of quote about the 99%.
Yupiyeahs 1 year ago
@Yupiyeahs Let's clear this up shitbrain. I'm not your pal. You made the charge that I lied. BACK UP THAT CHARGE FUCKER If you can't or won't fine. But it is NOT mine to do with. In court when you make a guilty charge of lying, it is YOU who has to prove that guilt. NOT the other way around. If you don't care to believe what I have said (which I have already proved to my own satisfaction) that is ok with me. I do not owe you a fucking thing. You stupid worthless fuck!
WizardOfChicamunga 11 months ago
@WizardOfChicamunga This'll be enough. Your inability to lead an argument should be apparent to anyone reading. Good day.
Yupiyeahs 11 months ago
@Yupiyeahs You're incredible! You have the uncanny ability to divine the exact opinion I've had of you from the start. Except unlike you, I do not visualize an imaginary following behind me for support Only the weak see a need for support.... Good day???.... LMAO! ... Pussy!
WizardOfChicamunga 11 months ago
@WizardOfChicamunga idiots like you make our country look like shit. fucking hillbilly teabagger.
YouSirAreAHypocrite 11 months ago
@YouSirAreAHypocrite Suck my wooly dick faggot!
WizardOfChicamunga 11 months ago
@YouSirAreAHypocrite Besides, why don't you mind your own fucking business and just stick to being the poster child for Gay America!... Fuckin' jerk-off!
WizardOfChicamunga 11 months ago
@Yupiyeahs dosent meant they didnt deserve it. Its sad, but the horrors of dying from a nuke, is nothing compared to the horrors japan unleashed on millions of asians. They got what they deserved, and Im sure the sneaky, honorless barbarian style suprise attack,without a declaration of war, on pearl harbor also had somthing to do with the decision to drop the bomb. In the end, Japan got what they deserved. The real mistake was japan attacking pearl harbor. And japan HAS to cope withthat mistake.
tigerjonn 1 year ago
@tigerjonn Oh, ok, so you think invading a country and specting not to be attacked is the way to go?
osmodivs 1 year ago
@tigerjonn Unlike WOC's ramble above, whether or not they deserved it isn't something written in stone. I would think not and here's why: we don't punish innocent civilians for war crimes committed by soldiers. We didn't round up German civilians for Auschwitz, we shouldn't have rounded up Japanese civilians. The infants, plumbers and seamstresses in Hiroshima were about as responsible for Nanking as you and me are for the Mai Lai Massacre. Justice must be served in courts, not 15 kiloton boxes.
Yupiyeahs 1 year ago
@Yupiyeahs BUT japan did murder innocent civilians, millions of them. They werent japanese civilians. Sure people in hiroshima were not at fault. BUT then what about the millions of innocent asians civilians japan stole raped and murdered from? What fault did they have? And japans medical research, (torture) was as big a program as Germanys. Innocent civilians in hiroshima, had to pay for all the innocent civilians the japanese army murdered. How many anti war protests by japanese in ww2? None.
tigerjonn 1 year ago
@Yupiyeahs You say justice must be served in courts. Well which courts gave japanese army right to invade steal, rape and murder from all of asia? Japanese army didnt punish innocent civilians for war crimes, because they were busy raping and murdering them. No punishment, because the innocent civilians were not at fault for anything. Just plain rape and murder. SO your saying it was OKAY for japan to rape and murder civilians, but not if it was japanese civilians. Thats what u are saying.
tigerjonn 1 year ago
@tigerjonn A parallel for you: Al-Qa'ida killed over 10k people in the WTC. We consider it to be an act of terror and a murder of innocents. Does that give us the right to specifically bombard civilian installations, i.e. hospitals, orphanages, schools, in Afghanistan with the specific aim of killing women and children? If we do that, we too become terrorists.
The same applies to Japan. Their war criminals killed innocents, but that doesn't mean we should become war criminals ourselves. We did.
Yupiyeahs 1 year ago
@tigerjonn Perhaps another, better analogy. The Red Army is accused of raping German women as they marched for Berlin. Germans, however, have killed many Russian civilians, probably raping a few. Are the Russian soldiers justified to rape German women? According to you, absolutely, because Nazi soldiers weren't any better and it's perfectly reasonable for German women to pay the price. Bravo to Red Army rapists! Let's give them some medals for this.
Do you see how ridiculous your claim is?
Yupiyeahs 1 year ago
@Yupiyeahs Germany as a country is as fault for letting hitler taking over and starting a world war. Just as japanese didnt do anything to stop their government from invading all of asia. But atleast in germany, many people were against the nazi government, and tried to assasinate hitler, helped jews esacape or hide and overall knew that the german government was wrong. DID ONE japanese try to stop imperial japan? DID ONE japanese try to kill the emperor? Were any japanese against the war? No.,.
tigerjonn 11 months ago
@tigerjonn Do you know how many assassination attempts there were on Hitler and how many people hid Jews? If the number of individuals involved is even close to 0.1%, I'd be impressed. The majority of Germans did nothing. They went about their daily lives, working, cooking, raising children. So did the Japanese. The fact that the former might have been somewhat better informed and somewhat less indoctrinated is barely relevant.
Still, answer the question about the Red Army. Just punishment?
Yupiyeahs 11 months ago
@tigerjonn How you can condemn civilians, who were thousands of miles away from the armies committing the actual crimes and cheerfully support their death penalty is beyond me. I can't help but wonder if it is some odd combination of national pride, propaganda and racism that guides your point of view. It's revolting and monstrous at best and sociopathic at worst. The only reassuring thing about our exchange is that you don't seem to be the type that will ever run a nation, a court or an army.
Yupiyeahs 11 months ago
@Yupiyeahs The real racism is, The fact that when u say "CIVILIANS" You only mean japanese civilians. Your against armies attacking civilians, but only JAPANESE civilians. THE FACT that japanese military slaughtered millions of civilians dosent even count to you. Thats the real racism. I take into account of all the asian countries civilians, while you only account for japanese civilians. My point of view is not racism or propaganda, but truth from all points of view. U should try it.
tigerjonn 11 months ago
@Yupiyeahs The real propaganda, is you not once mentioned japanese atrocities. You would like to ignore that subject. You dont want to talk about the evil deeds japan did. You only want to talk about, innocent japanese civilians. Innocent japanese civilians who waved their EVIL EMPERIAL JAPANESE FLAGS proudly. "INNOCENT" japanese civilians who overwhelmingly supported the invasions. Thats not innocent civilians.
tigerjonn 11 months ago
@tigerjonn Thank you, finally someone with some sense. Its disgusting to say these "innocent" people didnt deserved being bombed - but what about the MASSES of innocent women being raped by Japanese soldiers and civilians being tortured and used as practice dummies for shooting? Did they deserve to die more than the Japanese? The bomb had to be dropped, and it saved millions. All those who believed it should not have been dropped unwitting condone the mass murder and torture of millions.
sighx3 9 months ago
@Yupiyeahs Even for a japs, i cant understand your idealogy at all. Sure getting nuked was sad. BUT THEY DID DESERVE IT. CHINA and KOREA didnt deserve what japan did to them. BUT JAPAN DID DESERVE IT. IF lets say, NORTH KOREA invades japan, stole raped and murdered millions of japanese civilians, Destroyed japan, Just so they could steal japans wealth. AND someone finally stops north korea, but bombing them. but killin many NK civlians. You dont think north korea deserved that? LOL PWNED.
tigerjonn 11 months ago 2
@tigerjonn No, I don't think North Korean -civilians- would have deserved it and I would sincerely hope the person signing the order is promptly put before a firing squad, preferably right next to the gentlemen doing the raping and the murdering. The Geneva Conventions are there for a reason. We punish criminals, not the people who just happened to have been born in the same country as them. Unfortunately, this simple concept is what your ignorant racist ass repeatedly fails to comprehend.
Yupiyeahs 11 months ago
@tigerjonn If let's say, AMERICANS invade X-onia, steal, rape and murder ... You don't think [consider this carefully now: Bush, Cheney or American Civilians?] deserve that?
fjslfhalfhkdjfh 11 months ago
@fjslfhalfhkdjfh Hey, its sad, but deserved it. 9/11 was sad, but it was just blowback from our own operations. And your question is not a complete question,just half a question, american civilians deserve what? lol!
tigerjonn 11 months ago
I don't think they deserved that. In the war many innocent lives were lost on all sides. Yes many died at the hands of japanese soldiers and it was a terrible and disgusting thing but the lesson we should have learned from the war is not that the bombing was justified but that violence is never justified. What we should be is ashamed that a war happened and accept blame on all sides for ever thinking that war was the answer. If we keep trying to place blame history is doomed to repeat itself.
P1MP3TTE 4 months ago 2
@P1MP3TTE the lesson we learn is that way more people wouldve died without the bombing. The bomb saved many innocent lives on both allies and the japanese side. If America had to go through a full scale invasion of japan, many more japanese civilians wouldve died. Overall not only did japan deserve the bomb. but it was also good for everyone.
tigerjonn 4 months ago
Collateral damage can be rationalized but never justified.
kmarinas86 1 year ago
Of course, popsie is wrong too. I seriously doubt it was willminkorea who dropped the bombs.
This whole kind of thinking is just fucking stupid. Countries are not people. Countries are not 'good' or 'bad'. Every country has buckets of blood on its hands and every country has wonderful achievements and merits in its past. Life is not a competition to prove how you're a saint and everyone else is a sinner. It's just too fucking simplistic.
*sigh* Trying to teach YouTubers ethics... waste of time
tSp289 1 year ago
@tSp289 I came to that conclusion a long time ago. Most turn into either bigots, moral judges (without looking into their own backyards) or just damn redneck morons.......Sometimes I just give up and let these quasi-puritanical brick-brains to it!
gawagney 1 year ago
Remember, Japan was allied with the Nazis and they brought the USA into the war by bombing Pearl Harbor.
willminkorea 1 year ago
@willminkorea Did you perhaps forget about those 2 cities you completely annihilated with atomic bombs? Women, children, families etc.
Pearl Harbour was an old, disused port, it was actually left unguarded so the japanese could attack it.
Troll harder next time.
kthxbai
popspie 1 year ago
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chakazulu87 1 year ago
@popspie Since when did truth become trolling ?
chakazulu87 1 year ago
@chakazulu87 There's truth and there's tact. Maybe it was necessary to bomb hiroshima and nagasaki to end the war (US had damn near run out of money and munitions), but going onto a video about the civilian victims of the bombing and reminding us that Japan had allied with bad people and done bad things is essentially like saying "they had it coming". They bloody didn't. Their leaders did, maybe, and the soldiers who committed horriffic crimes, but the tram girls? Shopkeepers? Chimney-sweeps?
tSp289 1 year ago 25
@tSp289 Tell that to the Chinese & Koreans who were killed raped & tortured by the Japanese army. I do believe they got a dose of their own medicine . However of course as a human I have sympathy for the victims of the atomic bomb. I will repeat the Emperor didn't surrender until the second bomb on a city. If bombing Hiroshima wasn't shit to him what makes you think bombing a military base was? The situation was dire
chakazulu87 1 year ago
@tSp289 The people actually supported their prime ministers because the people of Japan believed them to be divine and descendants of god. This belief is called "State Shinto". The Japanese had a lot of pride and honor in their country as well, so they ultimately supported the prime minister's every move. So coupled together, Japanese people supported Japanese imperialism. The allied had every right to remind them that they are not descendants of god and they can't act like spoiled children.
Vaylemn 1 year ago
@willminkorea so we shouldn't feel sorry for them? I feel shame at the destruction done by my country's bombers over Germany, even though the Germans did it back with gusto, and it was necessary to take out their infrastructure, and even though put in that same situation, I would probably be dropping the bombs myself. No matter what the 'greater good' may be, do not forget or disregard the innocents who die whenever there is war. Unlike the soldiers, they did not sign up to fight.
tSp289 1 year ago
@willminkorea
remember, you are a brainwashed monkey, who only knows the propaganda the school system has told you..
You probably never have read a book out of free will in your LIFE and try to teach others "history" , go do some independent research before you spew such crap.
The US Military were well informed about Japans coming attack and just let it happen, now i wonder why
but keep lying to yourself: " NONO not in OUR great country, thats impossible, we are so NOBLE"
szcz 1 year ago 2
@willminkorea I agree after all the stupid shit my governement (US) has done (or is doing). One thing I defend 100% was the atomic bomb. Some asshole is going to comment how Harry Truman is a war criminal. We also remember it wasn't until the second bombing of Nagasaki when Japan finally surrendered.
chakazulu87 1 year ago