@MrMetalmanRock I meant Martin P. Robinson, also btw would David Rudman be good as Rod? (I don't think he could handle Nicky, 'cause he would probably give him a Chicago accent which Ernie and Nicky don't have) and antsamthompson9 suggested Matt Vogel play Blue Bad Idea Bear, but maybe Martin could try doing that squeaky voice, as well as Jim-Ernie impression (which as I said previously would be his Nicky voice)
I think David Rudman would be good for Rod. And Marty Robinson could probably do Nicky too I'm sure. I don't know about the Bad Idea Bears. Probably because I don't know what they sound like. Next time I hear an Avenue Q song with them in it, I'll have to listen. Just to ask, do they appear in any songs?
@MrMetalmanRock They appear in the songs "You Can Be as Loud as you Want" and in the finale (For Now) and in case you don't know what they sound like, the blue one has a cute squeaky voice that kind of sounds like Big Bird, as for the yellow one, she has the same cute squeaky voice, but more feminine and higher-pitched and if you're wondering why I picked David Rudman for Rod, because Rod's voice is nasally like Dave's
btw I made a typo when I mentioned Martin as Nicky I forgot to put "a"
@MrMetalmanRock Interesting how a discussion about Sesame Street turns into a discussion about Avenue Q, also I was wondering if Elmo's parents go out for the night, do they call Kate Monster and ask her to babysit him? Methinks Kate would love playing with Elmo, and furthermore I am actually starting to think that Kate and Zoe might be related, they look the same,but the only difference is the fact that Kate doesn't laugh like Zoe,and I've heard her laugh, it sounds like she has hiccups lol
@MrMetalmanRock Yeah but Prairie Dawn is a blonde and Kate is a brunette and yet they both have straight hair and they do sound the same maybe because Stephanie and Fran sound similar (plus they're both from Pennsylvania) and btw you still didn't answer my other question, which is "If Elmo's parents ever go out, do they ask Kate Monster to babysit him while they're gone?" As I said before I think Kate would love playing with Elmo
Well, I'm not sure if Kate Monster would babysit Elmo. I mean you did say Sesame Street and Avenue Q weren't far from each other, didn't you? I mean is Avenue Q also someplace in New York? Because I know Sesame Street is. But if Kate Monster were to babysit Elmo, I think too that she might love it.
@MrMetalmanRock Yes it is, you take the subway from Sesame Street into Alphabet City (pun intended) and keep going until you see a sign that says Avenue Q because you have to pass Avenues A-P in order to get there, and I agree with you, Kate would love that job, because Kate Monster loves children
That's right about Kate Monster. She loves children. That's why she wants to be a teacher and start a school for monsters. That was originally what I was going to say. BTW, I wonder how they got the name Avenue Q, and not because you have to go past 16 other avenues by train just to get there. :D
@MrMetalmanRock Jeff Marx and Bobby Lopez wanted their show to have a title that was memorable and had the same feeling as Sesame Street so that's why they called it Avenue Q, you know Street-Avenue you see what I'm driving at? and following the events of Avenue Q, Kate Monster still teaches at the school for monsters
@MrMetalmanRock No, the creators wanted something to rhyme with Avenue and apparently the only thing that could think of was Q and there you go btw did you know that Avenue Q was originally going to be a TV show? Yes it is true, but there were noticable differences for instance
a. Rod was named Paul
b. Nicky wore an Old Navy shirt
c. Kate Monster had brown eyes (so maybe the blue ones are contacts)
d. Trekkie Monster looked like Cookie Monster and was actually a Star Trek fan
@MrMetalmanRock Well as I said before it would have the same format as Sesame Street but the letter of the day would always be Q lol, btw what do you mean by "I wonder what it would come out to?" are you talking about the theme song (which would be the same as the stage version IMO) or the overall opening of the episodes also I think that every episode of the AQ TV series should have a recurring and/or guest puppeteer, you know, someone who had previously worked with Sesame Street
Well, what I mean is I wonder what Avenue Q as a TV show would be like. And if there were actually a TV show of it and the letter of the day were Q all the time, that would be pretty funny, but boring at the same time.
@MrMetalmanRock Yeah come to think of it the letter of the day segment would have more variety (sometimes one show would be sponsored by two or three letters like SS did in the old days) Now on the question of a guest puppeteer who would you like to see on Avenue Q?
@MrMetalmanRock I'd like to see Kevin Clash, Joey Mazzarino, Tyler Bunch, John Kennedy (who hasn't had any speaking roles on SS), and Leslie Rudolph, btw I agree with you Steve and Marty should be on Avenue Q too, but if Marty is going to be on the show, then Pam Arciero has to be with him, btw if Nicky is related to Ernie does that mean that Ernie's mom is green, 'cause when you think about it, Ernie is orange so therefore his dad must be orange, what do you think and answer me ASAP
I was thinking Kevin Clash as a guest too. But why would Pam Arciero have to be on the show with Marty Robinson? Anyway, about the Ernie and Nicky thing, it could be possible that Ernie and Nicky are related. Not just similarity in their voices, but when you said their parents' colors is how they got those colors, that could be true. lol
@MrMetalmanRock Pam should be on the show because she's Marty's performing partner, besides she helps him out with Telly on SS all the time, so it would only make sense that she would have to be his assistant there too, and on the Ernie and Nicky thing you see, Jane and Ernest (Ernie's mom and dad) had two children Ernie and Nicky who were separated at birth, Ernie stayed on SS while Nicky moved to Avenue Q
the same is true for Bert and Rod, Bert's mom is yellow and his dad is blue, get it?
It sounds a little weird, but I get it. Anyway, I bet Pam Arciero helps with Telly by performing his right hand, huh? Because when you think about it, Telly is a live-hand puppet, so Marty does the head and left hand and therefore, Pam would do Telly's right hand.
@MrMetalmanRock That's what I meant by "assistant" and of course on the Bert and Rod thing, Rick Lyon has this puppet he made named Bob who looks like Rod only bald and with black beady eyes, and since Rod is blue that's where he gets his color from, as for Bert his mother Bernice (whom he named his pigeon after) is yellow and resembles Bert, and that is where Bert gets his color from
BTW, did you know that before Marty Robinson started doing Telly, he did his right hand? I think this was when Brian Muehl did his voice, but I heard this in an interview with Marty. Also, I didn't know that about Rick Lyon. Does he build his own puppets?
@MrMetalmanRock I knew that, and yes Rick Lyon does build his own puppets, outside of Avenue Q and Sesame Street (which he previously worked for), he has his own troupe called the Lyon Puppets,btw did you know Rick Lyon has a beard now? (I saw it in that interview where he was holding Nicky and Trekkie)
also did you know that Rick was at the Mail-It-Shop once? (episode #3987) he didn't have any lines though, if he did he could've said "Excuse me, where's my package?"
@MrMetalmanRock Yes, it was for a show called "Happy Hour" on the Fox Business Channel and in it he talks about the sucess of Avenue Q and memories of his childhood watching Jim Henson's early work, then he brings out Nicky and later Trekkie Monster, who kisses one of the cohosts (or at least her puppet doppelganger)
@MrMetalmanRock type in "rick lyon" on YouTube and it should come upvtw according to the video title the interview appears to be from 2008 (though dates can be misleading) and Rick has his beard (he must've shaved it off sometime later 'cause he didn't wanna be mistaken for Jim Henson) which makes me wonder something else, is Rick Lyon Jewish? because I know Frank Oz and David Rudman and and if Rick did decide to keep the beard would his wife mistake him for Jim Henson?
@MrMetalmanRock He could be, who knows? On an unrelated note, remember when we discussed The Moopets from the new Muppet movie and I said that Foozie Bear was voiced by Kevin Clash(though you proved it was Tyler Bunch) you ever notice the way he says "wocka wocka" sounds oddly like Clifford? maybe it's his inflection that makes it sound like Kevin, but that just proves how talented Mr. Bunch is, and say if Tyler Bunch were to perform on Avenue Q, do you think he could play Brian? (the comedian)
I thought at one time, Foozie Bear was played by Bill Barretta, but I was wrong when it said Tyler Bunch. But you're right. Foozie Bear kinda reminded me of Clifford. Man, Clifford was a great character, but I've heard Kevin Clash doesn't work with the Muppets as much as he used to. You ever wonder why that is? I assume it's because he's mostly with Sesame Street (doing Elmo and being puppet captain). And I'm not sure about Tyler as Brian.
@MrMetalmanRock I think it's a good idea, I mean all the actors (with the exception of Peter Linz who played Brian as an understudy) were these tall husky guys and I think Tyler would be perfect for that role all he has to do is get rid of that mullet and presto, you have the perfect Brian and also you know how in Avenue Q Rick Lyon's partner was always Jennifer Barnhart, I've always wondered if Jennifer Barnhart's husband was Peter Linz? (they did Theo and Cleo on Between the Lions)
Well, just from looking at both pictures, Tyler Bunch would be okay for Brain, I guess. Also, it's true that Peter Linz and Jennifer Barnhart did Theo and Cleo, but it's not safe to say that they are married. What I mean is I'm not sure.
@MrMetalmanRock MrMetalmanRock worry no more, medopaul1000 will no longer troll YouTube with his nasty, hurtful comments, I've reported him to the YouTube team and they are dealing with the issue
@MrMetalmanRock Actually, the episode where Rick Lyon appeared at the Mail-It-Shop was episode #3984 not #3987, guess I got the numbers mixed up, sorry if I confused you
@MrMetalmanRock Thanks buddy, say I was wondering, if Tyler Bunch were to play Brian, who would be Christmas Eve? I know Noel MacNeal would make the perfect Gary, who do you think Christmas Eve should be? (and please don't say Pam Arciero)
btw today is Carroll Spinney's birthday, happy B-Day Mr. Spinney
Noel MacNeal would be good for Gary. You're right. And about Christmas Eve. I think it would have to be someone Japanese I'm thinking. Isn't she Japanese?
@MrMetalmanRock Yes Christmas Eve is Japanese but most of the actresses who've played her aren't including Ann Harada, Ann Sanders the only exception is someone in London named Naoko Mori (she was an actress who was Japanese) I don't know any Japanese female muppeteers so this could be a pickle...Oh I think I know one person who'd be perfect...Amy Garcia, she is a puppeteer but not Japanese
We've got our humans set up, next the puppets...which I will post at a later time
@MrMetalmanRock Oh, that's right I did say David Rudman as Rod then in that case
Kate/Lucy-Stephanie D' Abruzzo
Princeton-Matt Vogel
Rod-David Rudman
Nicky/Trekkie/Bear-Marty Robinson
Mrs. T/Bear-Leslie Cararra-Rudolph
Understudies and Ensemble-Kevin Clash, Pam Arciero, Joey Mazzarino, and John Kennedy (I added those two because the Ensemble is usually five performers)
@MrMetalmanRock That was a typo on my part, I meant to say "four" but typed "five" instead, guess I wasn't counting lol plus David along with Kevin and Pam were the original three ensemble members but since you suggested David play Rod (I gave Dave's part to Matt originally, since every actor in AQ plays two roles) I gave him Rod and Matt, Princeton, 'cause Matt might have better control over Princeton and Dave's voice is perfect for Rod
@MrMetalmanRock Exactamundo, in fact Seth Rettberg (who did the AQ Tour) does a version of Rod that sounds like David Rudman (There's a video clip of Avenue Q at Broadway on Broadway with Jed Resnick as Nicky and the two of them are singing "If You Were Gay" and in it Seth's Rod sounds like David Rudman especially when he says "Nicky that is gross!" and "I'm trying to read"/"I'm not listening just watch the clip and I'll prove it to you)
@MrMetalmanRock That and "I'm not listening!" also sounded like David, btw would Bert be shocked to find out that his older brother (meaning Rod) was gay? I mean I could just imagine him flipping out and smacking Rod senseless
Bert: You were in the closet all this time and you didn't tell me?
Rod (nervous): Well...I...um
Bert: Well, no brother of mine is going to be gay
*Bert smacks Rod*
Bert: Rod, are you alright?
Rod: Yeah, I'm fine, I feel different though and my sinuses are clearer
@MrMetalmanRock Yeah and at least his voice wouldn't have that nasally whine anymore, 'cause the force of those smackings cleared up his nose
Rod: Thank you Bertram, now if you'll excuse me I have to tell Ricky and Nicky the good news...Ricky, Nicky could you come here please? I've got something to tell you
Ricky and Nicky: Sure Rod what is it?
Rod: I'm straight!
Nicky: That's awesome!
Ricky (gasps): Rod, I thought what we had was special!
@MrMetalmanRock It was Rod and Ricky, NOT Nicky who were married (It's on YouTube, check it out, it's cool!) Nicky was just his roomate, though Rod fantasized about being in love with him from time to time (he probably wanted to have a bromance lol) And I know what you meant by "straight" meaning Rod would fall for Lucy
@MrMetalmanRock Yeah, basically he's Nicky only more muscular, the same is true for the Newcomer, he's like Princeton but with brown hair (the two are actually different puppets) The Newcomer appears near the end of Avenue Q where he gives Princeton "the bird"
@MrMetalmanRock Yeah he said "I'm not just some young kid who doesn't know anything...screw you!" (it was actually the 'f word', but I censored it for safety purposes) and in the sequel(not yet produced/scripted) we find out that the Newcomer is actually Princeton's long-lost twin brother Preston James Carmichael and how do you like this idea for a new storyline?
Princeton marries Kate
Rod marries Lucy
Trekkie finds out that he's related to Cookie Monster
Pretty good storyline. I've pictured Princeton and Kate Monster being married. They really like each other, don't they? Also, I think Trekkie Monster and Cookie Monster would have to be related. Probably because of the similarity in their voices. Not the performers, but the voices are deep and gruff.
@MrMetalmanRock Yeah Cookie and Trekkie do have deep, gruff voices however Cookie's is a lot less gruff than Trekkie's because David makes it higher pitched and seeing as how much Princeton loves Kate, they oughta be married,and hopefully the SS gang might come to their wedding, wouldn't that be something to see? BTW I think Prince's proposal would've gone like this...
Princeton: Kate, I love you, will you marry me?
Kate: Nothing would make me happier, so yes I will!
@MrMetalmanRock Reverend(Rick Lyon):Dearly beloved...ya know what let's just skip all the formal mumbo jumbo and get to the "I do" part, Princeton James Carmichael do you take Katherine Monster as your wife?
Princeton: I do
Rick: And Katherine Monster, do you take Princeton James Carmichael as your husband?
Kate: I do
Rick: Then I now pronounce you man and wife, you may now kiss the bride
*Prince kisses Kate and the "Sesame" side of the congregation cheers*
@MrMetalmanRock The Reverend is Rick Lyon of course! (makes sense since this is Avenue Q we're talking about) and as for the whole congregation thing it's like this, if you've seen The Muppets Take Manhattan you'll notice that Kermit's side is Sesame Street characters while Miss Piggy's side is Muppet Show characters, the same can be said here, Princeton's half is Sesame Street characters and Kate's half is Avenue Q characters, understand?
I understand. Actually, on the Sesame Street side, most of the characters are from Sesame Street. The rest of them probably from the Muppets, and if you wanna know what's funny, Traveling Matt appears on that side, too.
@MrMetalmanRock But Fraggle Rock wasn't around 'till 1983 and MTM was made in 1981, guess they decided to use Travelling Matt long before the series started
btw as the story continues we find Princeton conversating with Kate
Princeton: Yeah, that's right Rod and Lucy got married, and that kid who gave me "the bird", I just found out he's my brother
Kate: Wow
Princeton: And here's another surprise...guess where we're going on our honeymoon?
The Great Muppet Caper was made in 1981. The Muppets Take Manhattan was made in 1984. So that was made after Fraggle Rock began. That would be a good idea for a storyline.
@MrMetalmanRock Now the epic conclusion where we find out about Trekkie's relationship with Cookie Monster Princeton: It's impossible for them to be related Nicky: They're monsters aren't they? Cookie and Trekkie: Yeah Nicky, aren't we? Princeton: Go ahead prove it, get your blood tested then I'll believe you *After getting their blood tested* Trekkie: The results came back...CM, you're my cousin after all! Princeton: Well welcome to the family THE END So, what did you think?
It was good, but I had a question I wanted to ask you. Remember when you said Rick Lyon left Sesame Street because he didn't get any major roles? Then you said it was the same reason Camille Bonora left. Wasn't Ruby at one time a major character or was she a minor?
@MrMetalmanRock I'm pretty sure she was a major character at the time but her status drifted to minor later on and like so many before and after her she was shoved into the background
(Actually the reason why Ruby left was because she graduated and moved to California to be with her brother Leo the Party Monster)
and speaking of Rick Lyon, do you remember him ever having any other speaking roles? (aside from that monster in the wubba-ball skit)
Oh. That's interesting because I learned that the puppet used for Ruby was originally used for Leo the Party Monster. You think they are brothers? Also, about Rick Lyon. I don't think I've heard him in any other segments, but I read on Muppet Wiki that he was part of "Barn in the USA".
@MrMetalmanRock According to Garretk41 in "Barn in the USA" Rick is the donkey (or is that Jim Martin?) and in "Keep the Park Clean For the Pigeons" Rick is apart of the crowd the only time I could recognize his voice though was a "People in Neighborhood" song from 1989 where he played Bernie the Baker, however there he kinda sounded like he was doing a Jerry Nelson impression (especially when he said "I'm on a roll) listen to that part of the song and tell me you don't hear Jerry Nelson
I think it was the donkey. And I'm not sure if Rick Lyon was in Keep the Park Clean For the Pigeons. Also, the baker scene. Is it on here? Also, I think some of the female puppeteers are still with the show, just not heard as much, I think.
@MrMetalmanRock The baker's part in the song is on YouTube (along with four other jobs Cop, Nightwatchman,Actress, and Firefighter) the reason I think we don't hear any of the other female puppeteers is as follows they let go of Prairie Dawn, leaving Fran with Zoe(whom she's grown quite fond of) and Steph and Jen are hardly heard
Come to think of it we never hear from performers John Kennedy or Rickey Boyd either, guess they were just brought in as right handers/ensemble members
To tell you the truth, I m not sure what happened to Prairie Dawn. Another thing is, the only time we've heard John Kennedy when he was Dr. Teeth and Floyd. Also, Rickey Boyd was Scooter in the Muppets Wizard of Oz, but another time I've heard him is when he did a character from Animal Jam, a cowmonkey named Waffle.
@MrMetalmanRock Prairie is probably still there just not used much, and btw John Kennedy also did Apollo from The Pajanimals (until he was replaced by Michael Winsor) and Rickey Boyd did Laughing Boy from Dog City and you know what else strikes me as odd, I always used to confuse Matt Vogel's voices with John Kennedy's or Tyler Bunch's ('cause I really couldn't hear any distinctive differences between them)
@MrMetalmanRock I mean in general,lots of Matt's voices sound like John K. i.e. Hubert the Human Cannonball, and some other kid Muppets with Floyd John Kennedy made him sound like Steve Whitmire (like when Floyd sang "Man With the Bag" on the Red and Green Christmas Album) as for Matt he just imitated Jerry Nelson and made him higher pitched and as for Rick, the only Nelson-type voice I heard from him was Bernie the Baker, which is why I wonder why he didn't take over for Jerry Nelson
Oh yeah. John's Floyd did sound like Steve Whitmire because it sounded like Murray Minstrel from Fraggle Rock. Also, in some way, Rick Lyon probably would've been a good performer for Jerry Nelson, or anybody even because you've mentioned he's done voice impressions for all the performers and some of their characters out there.
@MrMetalmanRock He also did a Kermit impression for "Kermit, Prince of Denmark" which sounded like Nicky ('cause we talked about how Steve's Kermit/Ernie sound alike) and I think he did an Elmo impression in "If You Were Gay" when Nicky said "Hey guess what I'm gay" I would've loved to hear him do Oscar the Grouch though, wonder what it'd sound like?
I'm not sure if that was an Elmo impression, but it sounded like Nicky was speaking in a higher voice. Also, I don't know what it would be like if he did Oscar. It would probably sound like Nicky having a bad day. LOL
@MrMetalmanRock I'm pretty sure that if Nicky was ever having a bad day he'd sound like Oscar and if Rick had done Big Bird (like he'd done for the openings in seasons 20,25 and 33) it'd probably sound like the Blue Bad Idea Bear and you know what else is interesting John Tartaglia did Ernie at one point though it sounded like Rick Lyon's normal speaking voice (either that or Steve's Ernie hitting puberty LOL)
I know. That would be pretty funny. And you're right about John Tartaglia's Ernie sounding like Nicky, but you know, I didn't care for his Ernie all that much, which is why Steve Whitmire should've done Ernie that season on Play Wit Me Sesame. Also, doesn't it make you wonder why John Tartaglia did Ernie then instead of Steve Whitmire?
@MrMetalmanRock Considering that Rick's normal speaking voice is basically a lower version of Nicky, that's basically what John's Ernie sounded like,I didn't mind that his voice changed, I mean John only did Ernie for season 2 of Play With Me Sesame ('cause Steve Whitmire needed a replacement, but he came back for season 3)
Now on that whole "Rick Lyon as Oscar" thing you said it'd sound like Nicky on a bad day but what I meant was how would he change his voice to sound like Oscar?
But why did Steve Whitmire need a replacement? That's what I was wondering. Now about Oscar played by Rick Lyon, I kinda made the Nicky having a bad day part up. I'm not exactly sure how it would sound.
@MrMetalmanRock I'd have to agree with you on that "Nicky having a bad day" idea as a voice for Rick's Oscar, but you can also look at this way, you know that Rick is from New York, right? and if I recall correctly, Carroll Spinney's original Oscar sounded like a grouchy New York cab driver, so the way I see it, Rick would probably have to speak with that New York accent he has, but make himself sound grumpier
@MrMetalmanRock The reason Steve Whitmire needed a replacement was because he was either sick, or wanted to work with the Muppets, so they brought in John Tartaglia and I think Rick Lyon would've made the perfect Oscar, as for The Count I said Matt Vogel could do him, but I could see Rick doing him as well, I think his Count Von Count would probably sound like the voice he used for Bernie the Baker but with an Eastern-European accent
Guess what? I found the clip, but I heard Bernie the Baker, and he sounds a little like Nicky, but not close enough. Also, he doesn't sound much like The Count.
@MrMetalmanRock Well of course since it's Rick Lyon he's gonna have to sound like one of his Avenue Q characters, but what I mean is in that clip Rick spoke with the same inflection as Jerry Nelson but he managed to little bit of Nicky slip through (which is why if he were to do The Count as I said before he'd give him a Romanian accent)
@MrMetalmanRock Well with Mr.Johnson all Jerry does is speak in his normal voice RL managed to do the same thing, just without the easily aggravated tone,btw remember when we discussed the idea of Pam Arciero playing Mokey Fraggle? just from watching this vid I think that Pam would make an excellent Mokey and Matt could do Gobo,we know Karen, Steven and Dave still work for the Muppets so they'd reprise their roles, Steph and Marty might make good choices for Red or Boober too
It's cool. Anyway, Pam Arciero would be good for Mokey. As for Gobo, I'm not sure what Matt Vogel would sound like. Though, I did say he could o the puppetry as Jerry Nelson did the voice, but I don't know. Another thing is is that Steph and Marty probably would be okay, though I'm not usually used to the idea, but they'd be fine. You know, if you listen to Diredre in Sounds of Our Lives, she sounds a bit like Kate Monster in some places.
@MrMetalmanRock We've been seeing a lot of that Jerry Nelson/Matt Vogel "symbiosis" on SS lately, but I think Matt's Gobo would sound just like Jerry's he's got Floyd and Robin down pat, heck why not Gobo?
Also where exactly does Diredre sound like Kate Monster in Sounds of our Lives? just asking
Diredre sounds like Kate Monster in parts in the beginning. Also, this is just a question, but do you think if Matt did Gobo, would it sound like his Robin? Because Robin and Gobo both sounded the same when Jerry did them.
@MrMetalmanRock Of course it'd sound like his Robin, and I think I heard a bit of Kate Monster somewhere in Diredre, when she said "You were about to ask me something?" (at least I think it was that line) and remember when we talked about Martin Robinson doing Nicky for Avenue Q, Dirk's voice is perfect for him (especially when he's getting all mushy and sentimental in the beginning)
I don't know. I just think sometimes the original is better. I'm glad you found where I was talking about Diredre sounding like Kate Monster, and yes I remember we talked about Marty Robinson doing Nicky. He'd be good for Nicky, too.
@MrMetalmanRock Just listen to Dirk when he says "Oh yeah?" it almost sounds like Nicky, also if all those doggone sounds got in the way of Dirk's proposal why didn't he just court Diredre in a quieter, sound free location? Hmm? if I had written this sketch here's how that part would've gone
Dirk: Diredre my dear, before I ask you my "very important question" would you follow me to the patio?
*later*
Dirk: Now, where was I? Oh yes, Diredre will you be mine?
I've heard it before, and it sounds a lot like Boober Fraggle. If Marty Robinson were to do it, that is. And I'm sure you'd want to have a quiet proposal, unless you have friends there. Then it'd be as loud as the sketch! LOL XD
@MrMetalmanRock See I told you so, and if David Rudman were to do Rod his Rod would've sounded sort of Scooter or Baby Bear, hey you know who else does Nicky very well? Christian Anderson, and if you listen closely there's a bit of Martin in Chris' interpretation as opposed to Steve (whom Rick sounds like)
Christian Anderson does sort of sound like Nicky just from hearing some of his lines, but what happened to Rick Lyon? He didn't leave Avenue Q along with John Tartaglia, did he?
@MrMetalmanRock It's alright, and yes they are btw why is it that a lot of the female characters on SS don't stay around for long? I mean we had Deena, Ruby, Merry Monster,and Lulu back then and now it seems that the only ones with any real staying power are Zoe, Abby Caddabby, and Rosita, plus why is it that we never hear from Stephanie D'Abruzzo or Pam Arciero or Jen Barnhart? nowadays it's like every female Muppet voice you hear comes from Leslie Carrara-Rudolph,what's up with that?
I actually remember seeing this as a kid! I also remember noticing the sound effect used for the Godmother's magic spells is the same sound effect used for the Amazing Mumford's magic spells (but with fancy magic words instead of "Ala Peanut Butter Sandwiches!")
Blooper: On 1:46, Cinderella mistakenly ends up in her rags as of before, and then the fairy godmother mistakenly causes Kermit to end up in Cinderella's dress after that even though it was meant to be worn on Cinderella.
I remember the scene when Kermit wore Cinderella's dress when he knew it was supposed to be on Cinderella, which can be seen on the video "The Best of Kermit".
Heh-a clip from my childhood-funny as heck. Thanks for putting it back up again. THe best part is when Kermit winds up wearing Cinderella's dress and is taken to the ball!
You took the words from my mouth ... Uh... or in this case, took the words from my fingertips. BTW, I like at the very end when Kermit inquires as to what kind of food will be served at the ball. LOL!
Yeah. I kinda like Abby Cadabby, even though last season all she mainly did was announce the sponsors at the end of episodes. I'd like to see her get in a magic duel with the Amazing Mumford!
MarshalGrover, if you have this segment, does that mean you have a better quality version? If you do, please upload it, because this version is kindda crappy.(No offense, Jon.)
@jtomally9681 Why thank you jtomally9681! I grew up with this kinda quality too! Every video I have doesn't always have to be perfect, antsamthompson9.
@MarshalGrover Yeah they do, hey if Kathy Mullen is unavailable for the Fraggle Rock movie I think Pam Arciero could play Mokey Fraggle, don't you think so Marshal?
I think Pam Arciero would be good for Mokey, since she did Leona (previously performed by Kathryn Mullen) in Between the Lions. Another thing I was thinking was if the Trash Heap and her assistants Philo and Gunge were in the movie, Gunge could be played by Kevin Clash (using the Benny Rabbit voice), since Richard Hunt is no longer with us. And Dave Goelz would still be Philo.
@MrMetalmanRock Wait hows about Matt Vogel as Gobo, Stephanie D'Abruzzo as Red (using the Kate Monster voice) and Dave would still be Boober/Philo/Traveling Matt and if Dave can't do it, maybe Rick Lyon could try it out, I think Rick's Traveling Matt and Philo would sound like Dave's and his version of Boober Fraggle would probably be a variation of Nicky
@MrMetalmanRock Nothing, Karen is fine, I just think since she is older now, someone else (I say Stephanie) should try it, then again Karen has always been Red so, okay
What I was thinking for Gobo was Jerry Nelson could do the voice and Matt Vogel could do the puppetry like he has been doing for Jerry's Sesame Street characters.
@MrMetalmanRock That'd work, since Jerry Nelson is too weak to puppeteer anymore, on account of his emphysema, not to mention his terrible arthritis, and I think Rick can do Boober 'cause he's extremely vocally versatile, I've heard him do impressions of Jim, Frank, Jerry, Richard, so if he can imitate them why not Dave Goelz?
Yeah, just because Jerry Nelson is too weak for puppetry doesn't mean he can't do voices, right? Theother thing is Dave Goelz has always been Boober and still works for the Muppets. I couldn't imagine Rick Lyon doing Boober or any of Dave's other characters. Why would Boober be played by Rick Lyon anyway?
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muppetlover16 1 week ago
Matt Vogel would be pretty good for Princeton. BTW, when you said Martin, what did you mean, which means who's Martin or Martin who?
MrMetalmanRock 1 month ago
@MrMetalmanRock I meant Martin P. Robinson, also btw would David Rudman be good as Rod? (I don't think he could handle Nicky, 'cause he would probably give him a Chicago accent which Ernie and Nicky don't have) and antsamthompson9 suggested Matt Vogel play Blue Bad Idea Bear, but maybe Martin could try doing that squeaky voice, as well as Jim-Ernie impression (which as I said previously would be his Nicky voice)
muppetlover16 1 month ago
@muppetlover16
I think David Rudman would be good for Rod. And Marty Robinson could probably do Nicky too I'm sure. I don't know about the Bad Idea Bears. Probably because I don't know what they sound like. Next time I hear an Avenue Q song with them in it, I'll have to listen. Just to ask, do they appear in any songs?
MrMetalmanRock 1 month ago
@MrMetalmanRock They appear in the songs "You Can Be as Loud as you Want" and in the finale (For Now) and in case you don't know what they sound like, the blue one has a cute squeaky voice that kind of sounds like Big Bird, as for the yellow one, she has the same cute squeaky voice, but more feminine and higher-pitched and if you're wondering why I picked David Rudman for Rod, because Rod's voice is nasally like Dave's
btw I made a typo when I mentioned Martin as Nicky I forgot to put "a"
muppetlover16 1 month ago
@muppetlover16
Thanks. I'll have to listen to those sometime. Anyway, I figured that's why you picked David Rudman for Rod.
MrMetalmanRock 1 month ago
@MrMetalmanRock Interesting how a discussion about Sesame Street turns into a discussion about Avenue Q, also I was wondering if Elmo's parents go out for the night, do they call Kate Monster and ask her to babysit him? Methinks Kate would love playing with Elmo, and furthermore I am actually starting to think that Kate and Zoe might be related, they look the same,but the only difference is the fact that Kate doesn't laugh like Zoe,and I've heard her laugh, it sounds like she has hiccups lol
muppetlover16 1 month ago
@muppetlover16
In a way, you're right. Kate Monster does look like Zoe almost, but she still reminds me of Prairie Dawn. Probably because of the hair look.
MrMetalmanRock 1 month ago
@MrMetalmanRock Yeah but Prairie Dawn is a blonde and Kate is a brunette and yet they both have straight hair and they do sound the same maybe because Stephanie and Fran sound similar (plus they're both from Pennsylvania) and btw you still didn't answer my other question, which is "If Elmo's parents ever go out, do they ask Kate Monster to babysit him while they're gone?" As I said before I think Kate would love playing with Elmo
muppetlover16 1 month ago
@muppetlover16
Well, I'm not sure if Kate Monster would babysit Elmo. I mean you did say Sesame Street and Avenue Q weren't far from each other, didn't you? I mean is Avenue Q also someplace in New York? Because I know Sesame Street is. But if Kate Monster were to babysit Elmo, I think too that she might love it.
MrMetalmanRock 1 month ago
@MrMetalmanRock Yes it is, you take the subway from Sesame Street into Alphabet City (pun intended) and keep going until you see a sign that says Avenue Q because you have to pass Avenues A-P in order to get there, and I agree with you, Kate would love that job, because Kate Monster loves children
muppetlover16 1 month ago
@muppetlover16
That's right about Kate Monster. She loves children. That's why she wants to be a teacher and start a school for monsters. That was originally what I was going to say. BTW, I wonder how they got the name Avenue Q, and not because you have to go past 16 other avenues by train just to get there. :D
MrMetalmanRock 1 month ago
@MrMetalmanRock Jeff Marx and Bobby Lopez wanted their show to have a title that was memorable and had the same feeling as Sesame Street so that's why they called it Avenue Q, you know Street-Avenue you see what I'm driving at? and following the events of Avenue Q, Kate Monster still teaches at the school for monsters
muppetlover16 1 month ago
@muppetlover16
I can see that they took Avenue from Street, but what about the Q? Is that the name of the street or something?
MrMetalmanRock 1 month ago
@MrMetalmanRock No, the creators wanted something to rhyme with Avenue and apparently the only thing that could think of was Q and there you go btw did you know that Avenue Q was originally going to be a TV show? Yes it is true, but there were noticable differences for instance
a. Rod was named Paul
b. Nicky wore an Old Navy shirt
c. Kate Monster had brown eyes (so maybe the blue ones are contacts)
d. Trekkie Monster looked like Cookie Monster and was actually a Star Trek fan
muppetlover16 1 month ago
@muppetlover16
Oh. I get it. I didn't know that Avenue Q was going to be a TV show. Well, it should be. I wonder what it would come out to?
MrMetalmanRock 1 month ago
@MrMetalmanRock Well as I said before it would have the same format as Sesame Street but the letter of the day would always be Q lol, btw what do you mean by "I wonder what it would come out to?" are you talking about the theme song (which would be the same as the stage version IMO) or the overall opening of the episodes also I think that every episode of the AQ TV series should have a recurring and/or guest puppeteer, you know, someone who had previously worked with Sesame Street
muppetlover16 1 month ago
@muppetlover16
Well, what I mean is I wonder what Avenue Q as a TV show would be like. And if there were actually a TV show of it and the letter of the day were Q all the time, that would be pretty funny, but boring at the same time.
MrMetalmanRock 1 month ago
@MrMetalmanRock Yeah come to think of it the letter of the day segment would have more variety (sometimes one show would be sponsored by two or three letters like SS did in the old days) Now on the question of a guest puppeteer who would you like to see on Avenue Q?
muppetlover16 1 month ago
@muppetlover16
Well, if I think about it, maybe Steve Whitmire would be good, or maybe even Marty Robinson. What about you?
MrMetalmanRock 1 month ago
@MrMetalmanRock I'd like to see Kevin Clash, Joey Mazzarino, Tyler Bunch, John Kennedy (who hasn't had any speaking roles on SS), and Leslie Rudolph, btw I agree with you Steve and Marty should be on Avenue Q too, but if Marty is going to be on the show, then Pam Arciero has to be with him, btw if Nicky is related to Ernie does that mean that Ernie's mom is green, 'cause when you think about it, Ernie is orange so therefore his dad must be orange, what do you think and answer me ASAP
muppetlover16 1 month ago
@muppetlover16
I was thinking Kevin Clash as a guest too. But why would Pam Arciero have to be on the show with Marty Robinson? Anyway, about the Ernie and Nicky thing, it could be possible that Ernie and Nicky are related. Not just similarity in their voices, but when you said their parents' colors is how they got those colors, that could be true. lol
MrMetalmanRock 1 month ago
@MrMetalmanRock Pam should be on the show because she's Marty's performing partner, besides she helps him out with Telly on SS all the time, so it would only make sense that she would have to be his assistant there too, and on the Ernie and Nicky thing you see, Jane and Ernest (Ernie's mom and dad) had two children Ernie and Nicky who were separated at birth, Ernie stayed on SS while Nicky moved to Avenue Q
the same is true for Bert and Rod, Bert's mom is yellow and his dad is blue, get it?
muppetlover16 1 month ago
@muppetlover16
It sounds a little weird, but I get it. Anyway, I bet Pam Arciero helps with Telly by performing his right hand, huh? Because when you think about it, Telly is a live-hand puppet, so Marty does the head and left hand and therefore, Pam would do Telly's right hand.
MrMetalmanRock 1 month ago
@MrMetalmanRock That's what I meant by "assistant" and of course on the Bert and Rod thing, Rick Lyon has this puppet he made named Bob who looks like Rod only bald and with black beady eyes, and since Rod is blue that's where he gets his color from, as for Bert his mother Bernice (whom he named his pigeon after) is yellow and resembles Bert, and that is where Bert gets his color from
muppetlover16 1 month ago
@muppetlover16
BTW, did you know that before Marty Robinson started doing Telly, he did his right hand? I think this was when Brian Muehl did his voice, but I heard this in an interview with Marty. Also, I didn't know that about Rick Lyon. Does he build his own puppets?
MrMetalmanRock 1 month ago
@MrMetalmanRock I knew that, and yes Rick Lyon does build his own puppets, outside of Avenue Q and Sesame Street (which he previously worked for), he has his own troupe called the Lyon Puppets,btw did you know Rick Lyon has a beard now? (I saw it in that interview where he was holding Nicky and Trekkie)
also did you know that Rick was at the Mail-It-Shop once? (episode #3987) he didn't have any lines though, if he did he could've said "Excuse me, where's my package?"
muppetlover16 1 month ago
@muppetlover16
I'd have to see the interview. Is it on Youtube? And I didn't know about Rick Lyon at the Mail it Shop.
MrMetalmanRock 1 month ago
@MrMetalmanRock Yes, it was for a show called "Happy Hour" on the Fox Business Channel and in it he talks about the sucess of Avenue Q and memories of his childhood watching Jim Henson's early work, then he brings out Nicky and later Trekkie Monster, who kisses one of the cohosts (or at least her puppet doppelganger)
muppetlover16 1 month ago
@muppetlover16
That's cool! I'll have to see the video.
MrMetalmanRock 1 month ago
@MrMetalmanRock type in "rick lyon" on YouTube and it should come upvtw according to the video title the interview appears to be from 2008 (though dates can be misleading) and Rick has his beard (he must've shaved it off sometime later 'cause he didn't wanna be mistaken for Jim Henson) which makes me wonder something else, is Rick Lyon Jewish? because I know Frank Oz and David Rudman and and if Rick did decide to keep the beard would his wife mistake him for Jim Henson?
muppetlover16 1 month ago
@muppetlover16
Yesterday, I saw the video and it was good. It was funny. Also, I don't know if Rick Lyon is Jewish.
MrMetalmanRock 1 month ago
@MrMetalmanRock He could be, who knows? On an unrelated note, remember when we discussed The Moopets from the new Muppet movie and I said that Foozie Bear was voiced by Kevin Clash(though you proved it was Tyler Bunch) you ever notice the way he says "wocka wocka" sounds oddly like Clifford? maybe it's his inflection that makes it sound like Kevin, but that just proves how talented Mr. Bunch is, and say if Tyler Bunch were to perform on Avenue Q, do you think he could play Brian? (the comedian)
muppetlover16 1 month ago
@muppetlover16
I thought at one time, Foozie Bear was played by Bill Barretta, but I was wrong when it said Tyler Bunch. But you're right. Foozie Bear kinda reminded me of Clifford. Man, Clifford was a great character, but I've heard Kevin Clash doesn't work with the Muppets as much as he used to. You ever wonder why that is? I assume it's because he's mostly with Sesame Street (doing Elmo and being puppet captain). And I'm not sure about Tyler as Brian.
MrMetalmanRock 1 month ago
@MrMetalmanRock I think it's a good idea, I mean all the actors (with the exception of Peter Linz who played Brian as an understudy) were these tall husky guys and I think Tyler would be perfect for that role all he has to do is get rid of that mullet and presto, you have the perfect Brian and also you know how in Avenue Q Rick Lyon's partner was always Jennifer Barnhart, I've always wondered if Jennifer Barnhart's husband was Peter Linz? (they did Theo and Cleo on Between the Lions)
muppetlover16 1 month ago
@muppetlover16
Well, just from looking at both pictures, Tyler Bunch would be okay for Brain, I guess. Also, it's true that Peter Linz and Jennifer Barnhart did Theo and Cleo, but it's not safe to say that they are married. What I mean is I'm not sure.
MrMetalmanRock 1 month ago
@MrMetalmanRock MrMetalmanRock worry no more, medopaul1000 will no longer troll YouTube with his nasty, hurtful comments, I've reported him to the YouTube team and they are dealing with the issue
muppetlover16 1 month ago
@muppetlover16
Good. I'm glad I could help.
MrMetalmanRock 1 month ago
@MrMetalmanRock Actually, the episode where Rick Lyon appeared at the Mail-It-Shop was episode #3984 not #3987, guess I got the numbers mixed up, sorry if I confused you
muppetlover16 1 month ago
@muppetlover16
It's alright. :)
MrMetalmanRock 1 month ago
@MrMetalmanRock Thanks buddy, say I was wondering, if Tyler Bunch were to play Brian, who would be Christmas Eve? I know Noel MacNeal would make the perfect Gary, who do you think Christmas Eve should be? (and please don't say Pam Arciero)
btw today is Carroll Spinney's birthday, happy B-Day Mr. Spinney
muppetlover16 1 month ago
@muppetlover16
Noel MacNeal would be good for Gary. You're right. And about Christmas Eve. I think it would have to be someone Japanese I'm thinking. Isn't she Japanese?
MrMetalmanRock 1 month ago
@MrMetalmanRock Yes Christmas Eve is Japanese but most of the actresses who've played her aren't including Ann Harada, Ann Sanders the only exception is someone in London named Naoko Mori (she was an actress who was Japanese) I don't know any Japanese female muppeteers so this could be a pickle...Oh I think I know one person who'd be perfect...Amy Garcia, she is a puppeteer but not Japanese
We've got our humans set up, next the puppets...which I will post at a later time
muppetlover16 1 month ago
@muppetlover16
Yeah, it's kinda hard to think about, isn't it?
MrMetalmanRock 1 month ago
@MrMetalmanRock Wait a minute I've got it....
Kate/Lucy-Stephanie D'Abruzzo (of course!)
Princeton/Rod-Matt Vogel
Nicky/Trekkie/Bear-Marty Robinson
Mrs. T/Bear-Leslie Cararra-Rudolph
Understudies and Ensemble-David Rudman, Kevin Clash, and Pam Arciero
muppetlover16 1 month ago
@muppetlover16
That's a great list for the puppeteers. But for some reason I think David Rudman would be good at Rod. No offense or anything.
MrMetalmanRock 1 month ago
@MrMetalmanRock Oh, that's right I did say David Rudman as Rod then in that case
Kate/Lucy-Stephanie D' Abruzzo
Princeton-Matt Vogel
Rod-David Rudman
Nicky/Trekkie/Bear-Marty Robinson
Mrs. T/Bear-Leslie Cararra-Rudolph
Understudies and Ensemble-Kevin Clash, Pam Arciero, Joey Mazzarino, and John Kennedy (I added those two because the Ensemble is usually five performers)
muppetlover16 1 month ago
@muppetlover16
Those puppeteers would be good for understudies. Well, that would be pretty good.
MrMetalmanRock 1 month ago
@MrMetalmanRock Actually I meant to say "four performers"
muppetlover16 1 month ago
@muppetlover16
Oh, I thought you five performers. Well, four is good, too.
MrMetalmanRock 1 month ago
@MrMetalmanRock That was a typo on my part, I meant to say "four" but typed "five" instead, guess I wasn't counting lol plus David along with Kevin and Pam were the original three ensemble members but since you suggested David play Rod (I gave Dave's part to Matt originally, since every actor in AQ plays two roles) I gave him Rod and Matt, Princeton, 'cause Matt might have better control over Princeton and Dave's voice is perfect for Rod
muppetlover16 1 month ago
@muppetlover16
I remember you saying David Rudman would be good for Rod because it sounds nasal.
MrMetalmanRock 1 month ago
@MrMetalmanRock Exactamundo, in fact Seth Rettberg (who did the AQ Tour) does a version of Rod that sounds like David Rudman (There's a video clip of Avenue Q at Broadway on Broadway with Jed Resnick as Nicky and the two of them are singing "If You Were Gay" and in it Seth's Rod sounds like David Rudman especially when he says "Nicky that is gross!" and "I'm trying to read"/"I'm not listening just watch the clip and I'll prove it to you)
muppetlover16 3 weeks ago
@muppetlover16
Is it on Youtube? Because if it is, I'll have to check it out.
MrMetalmanRock 3 weeks ago
@MrMetalmanRock type in "if you were gay" and it should come up
muppetlover16 3 weeks ago
@muppetlover16
I heard when Rod yelled, "Nicky! That is gross!" LOL And you're right. It does sound a LOT like David Rudman.
MrMetalmanRock 3 weeks ago
@MrMetalmanRock That and "I'm not listening!" also sounded like David, btw would Bert be shocked to find out that his older brother (meaning Rod) was gay? I mean I could just imagine him flipping out and smacking Rod senseless
Bert: You were in the closet all this time and you didn't tell me?
Rod (nervous): Well...I...um
Bert: Well, no brother of mine is going to be gay
*Bert smacks Rod*
Bert: Rod, are you alright?
Rod: Yeah, I'm fine, I feel different though and my sinuses are clearer
muppetlover16 3 weeks ago
@muppetlover16
Well, that would be funny, but in terms of different, Rod would probably turn straight after all those smackings, wouldn't he?
MrMetalmanRock 3 weeks ago
@MrMetalmanRock Yeah and at least his voice wouldn't have that nasally whine anymore, 'cause the force of those smackings cleared up his nose
Rod: Thank you Bertram, now if you'll excuse me I have to tell Ricky and Nicky the good news...Ricky, Nicky could you come here please? I've got something to tell you
Ricky and Nicky: Sure Rod what is it?
Rod: I'm straight!
Nicky: That's awesome!
Ricky (gasps): Rod, I thought what we had was special!
Rod: Forget you! *removes wedding ring*
muppetlover16 3 weeks ago
@muppetlover16
You know what I meant by straight, right? Also, I never knew Rod wore a wedding ring. Were Rod and Nicky married, or did you just make that up?
MrMetalmanRock 3 weeks ago
@MrMetalmanRock It was Rod and Ricky, NOT Nicky who were married (It's on YouTube, check it out, it's cool!) Nicky was just his roomate, though Rod fantasized about being in love with him from time to time (he probably wanted to have a bromance lol) And I know what you meant by "straight" meaning Rod would fall for Lucy
muppetlover16 3 weeks ago
@muppetlover16
I've heard of Ricky. Isn't he like an alter-ego of Nicky?
MrMetalmanRock 3 weeks ago
@MrMetalmanRock Yeah, basically he's Nicky only more muscular, the same is true for the Newcomer, he's like Princeton but with brown hair (the two are actually different puppets) The Newcomer appears near the end of Avenue Q where he gives Princeton "the bird"
muppetlover16 3 weeks ago
@muppetlover16
He also says something bad, too. Doesn't he? I mean I think it was in the reprises before the final song, wasn't it?
MrMetalmanRock 3 weeks ago
@MrMetalmanRock Yeah he said "I'm not just some young kid who doesn't know anything...screw you!" (it was actually the 'f word', but I censored it for safety purposes) and in the sequel(not yet produced/scripted) we find out that the Newcomer is actually Princeton's long-lost twin brother Preston James Carmichael and how do you like this idea for a new storyline?
Princeton marries Kate
Rod marries Lucy
Trekkie finds out that he's related to Cookie Monster
Ricky divorces Rod
Mrs.T retires
muppetlover16 3 weeks ago
@muppetlover16
Pretty good storyline. I've pictured Princeton and Kate Monster being married. They really like each other, don't they? Also, I think Trekkie Monster and Cookie Monster would have to be related. Probably because of the similarity in their voices. Not the performers, but the voices are deep and gruff.
MrMetalmanRock 3 weeks ago
@MrMetalmanRock Yeah Cookie and Trekkie do have deep, gruff voices however Cookie's is a lot less gruff than Trekkie's because David makes it higher pitched and seeing as how much Princeton loves Kate, they oughta be married,and hopefully the SS gang might come to their wedding, wouldn't that be something to see? BTW I think Prince's proposal would've gone like this...
Princeton: Kate, I love you, will you marry me?
Kate: Nothing would make me happier, so yes I will!
muppetlover16 3 weeks ago
@muppetlover16
You're right about that. And the Sesame Street gang being at their wedding would be something. That was the same thing I was going to ask you.
MrMetalmanRock 3 weeks ago
@MrMetalmanRock Reverend(Rick Lyon):Dearly beloved...ya know what let's just skip all the formal mumbo jumbo and get to the "I do" part, Princeton James Carmichael do you take Katherine Monster as your wife?
Princeton: I do
Rick: And Katherine Monster, do you take Princeton James Carmichael as your husband?
Kate: I do
Rick: Then I now pronounce you man and wife, you may now kiss the bride
*Prince kisses Kate and the "Sesame" side of the congregation cheers*
muppetlover16 3 weeks ago
@muppetlover16
Good storyline. BTW, who's Reverend?
MrMetalmanRock 3 weeks ago
@MrMetalmanRock The Reverend is Rick Lyon of course! (makes sense since this is Avenue Q we're talking about) and as for the whole congregation thing it's like this, if you've seen The Muppets Take Manhattan you'll notice that Kermit's side is Sesame Street characters while Miss Piggy's side is Muppet Show characters, the same can be said here, Princeton's half is Sesame Street characters and Kate's half is Avenue Q characters, understand?
muppetlover16 3 weeks ago
@muppetlover16
I understand. Actually, on the Sesame Street side, most of the characters are from Sesame Street. The rest of them probably from the Muppets, and if you wanna know what's funny, Traveling Matt appears on that side, too.
MrMetalmanRock 3 weeks ago
@MrMetalmanRock But Fraggle Rock wasn't around 'till 1983 and MTM was made in 1981, guess they decided to use Travelling Matt long before the series started
btw as the story continues we find Princeton conversating with Kate
Princeton: Yeah, that's right Rod and Lucy got married, and that kid who gave me "the bird", I just found out he's my brother
Kate: Wow
Princeton: And here's another surprise...guess where we're going on our honeymoon?
Kate: Where?
Princeton: Sesame Street, of course
muppetlover16 3 weeks ago
@muppetlover16
The Great Muppet Caper was made in 1981. The Muppets Take Manhattan was made in 1984. So that was made after Fraggle Rock began. That would be a good idea for a storyline.
MrMetalmanRock 3 weeks ago
muppetlover16 2 weeks ago
@muppetlover16
It was good, but I had a question I wanted to ask you. Remember when you said Rick Lyon left Sesame Street because he didn't get any major roles? Then you said it was the same reason Camille Bonora left. Wasn't Ruby at one time a major character or was she a minor?
MrMetalmanRock 2 weeks ago
@MrMetalmanRock I'm pretty sure she was a major character at the time but her status drifted to minor later on and like so many before and after her she was shoved into the background
(Actually the reason why Ruby left was because she graduated and moved to California to be with her brother Leo the Party Monster)
and speaking of Rick Lyon, do you remember him ever having any other speaking roles? (aside from that monster in the wubba-ball skit)
muppetlover16 2 weeks ago
@muppetlover16
Oh. That's interesting because I learned that the puppet used for Ruby was originally used for Leo the Party Monster. You think they are brothers? Also, about Rick Lyon. I don't think I've heard him in any other segments, but I read on Muppet Wiki that he was part of "Barn in the USA".
MrMetalmanRock 2 weeks ago
@muppetlover16
Sorry. I meant to say brother and sister.
MrMetalmanRock 2 weeks ago
@MrMetalmanRock According to Garretk41 in "Barn in the USA" Rick is the donkey (or is that Jim Martin?) and in "Keep the Park Clean For the Pigeons" Rick is apart of the crowd the only time I could recognize his voice though was a "People in Neighborhood" song from 1989 where he played Bernie the Baker, however there he kinda sounded like he was doing a Jerry Nelson impression (especially when he said "I'm on a roll) listen to that part of the song and tell me you don't hear Jerry Nelson
muppetlover16 2 weeks ago
@muppetlover16
I think it was the donkey. And I'm not sure if Rick Lyon was in Keep the Park Clean For the Pigeons. Also, the baker scene. Is it on here? Also, I think some of the female puppeteers are still with the show, just not heard as much, I think.
MrMetalmanRock 2 weeks ago
@MrMetalmanRock The baker's part in the song is on YouTube (along with four other jobs Cop, Nightwatchman,Actress, and Firefighter) the reason I think we don't hear any of the other female puppeteers is as follows they let go of Prairie Dawn, leaving Fran with Zoe(whom she's grown quite fond of) and Steph and Jen are hardly heard
Come to think of it we never hear from performers John Kennedy or Rickey Boyd either, guess they were just brought in as right handers/ensemble members
muppetlover16 2 weeks ago
@muppetlover16
To tell you the truth, I m not sure what happened to Prairie Dawn. Another thing is, the only time we've heard John Kennedy when he was Dr. Teeth and Floyd. Also, Rickey Boyd was Scooter in the Muppets Wizard of Oz, but another time I've heard him is when he did a character from Animal Jam, a cowmonkey named Waffle.
MrMetalmanRock 2 weeks ago
@MrMetalmanRock Prairie is probably still there just not used much, and btw John Kennedy also did Apollo from The Pajanimals (until he was replaced by Michael Winsor) and Rickey Boyd did Laughing Boy from Dog City and you know what else strikes me as odd, I always used to confuse Matt Vogel's voices with John Kennedy's or Tyler Bunch's ('cause I really couldn't hear any distinctive differences between them)
muppetlover16 2 weeks ago
@muppetlover16
Oh. I never knew that about them. But how do John Kennedy and Matt Vogel sound the same? You mean with Floyd?
MrMetalmanRock 2 weeks ago
@MrMetalmanRock I mean in general,lots of Matt's voices sound like John K. i.e. Hubert the Human Cannonball, and some other kid Muppets with Floyd John Kennedy made him sound like Steve Whitmire (like when Floyd sang "Man With the Bag" on the Red and Green Christmas Album) as for Matt he just imitated Jerry Nelson and made him higher pitched and as for Rick, the only Nelson-type voice I heard from him was Bernie the Baker, which is why I wonder why he didn't take over for Jerry Nelson
muppetlover16 2 weeks ago
@muppetlover16
Oh yeah. John's Floyd did sound like Steve Whitmire because it sounded like Murray Minstrel from Fraggle Rock. Also, in some way, Rick Lyon probably would've been a good performer for Jerry Nelson, or anybody even because you've mentioned he's done voice impressions for all the performers and some of their characters out there.
MrMetalmanRock 2 weeks ago
@MrMetalmanRock Yeah for example
Nicky=Steve Whitmire (In the earlier versions he sounded more like Jim Henson)
Trekkie Monster=Frank Oz (Christian Anderson's version is more like David Rudman)
Blue Bear=Carroll Spinney/Matt Vogel (reminds me of Big Bird for some reason)
Steve Wynn=Richard Hunt (he sounds just like Statler but sings like Frank Sinatra)
The Newcomer=Matt Vogel (again and hey, if Matt did Princeton that's how I think he'd sound) antsamthompson9 thinks of Matt's Big Bird
muppetlover16 2 weeks ago
@muppetlover16
And those are all of the impressions that Rick Lyon has done?
MrMetalmanRock 2 weeks ago
@MrMetalmanRock He also did a Kermit impression for "Kermit, Prince of Denmark" which sounded like Nicky ('cause we talked about how Steve's Kermit/Ernie sound alike) and I think he did an Elmo impression in "If You Were Gay" when Nicky said "Hey guess what I'm gay" I would've loved to hear him do Oscar the Grouch though, wonder what it'd sound like?
muppetlover16 2 weeks ago
@muppetlover16
I'm not sure if that was an Elmo impression, but it sounded like Nicky was speaking in a higher voice. Also, I don't know what it would be like if he did Oscar. It would probably sound like Nicky having a bad day. LOL
MrMetalmanRock 2 weeks ago
@MrMetalmanRock I'm pretty sure that if Nicky was ever having a bad day he'd sound like Oscar and if Rick had done Big Bird (like he'd done for the openings in seasons 20,25 and 33) it'd probably sound like the Blue Bad Idea Bear and you know what else is interesting John Tartaglia did Ernie at one point though it sounded like Rick Lyon's normal speaking voice (either that or Steve's Ernie hitting puberty LOL)
muppetlover16 2 weeks ago
@muppetlover16
I know. That would be pretty funny. And you're right about John Tartaglia's Ernie sounding like Nicky, but you know, I didn't care for his Ernie all that much, which is why Steve Whitmire should've done Ernie that season on Play Wit Me Sesame. Also, doesn't it make you wonder why John Tartaglia did Ernie then instead of Steve Whitmire?
MrMetalmanRock 2 weeks ago
@MrMetalmanRock Considering that Rick's normal speaking voice is basically a lower version of Nicky, that's basically what John's Ernie sounded like,I didn't mind that his voice changed, I mean John only did Ernie for season 2 of Play With Me Sesame ('cause Steve Whitmire needed a replacement, but he came back for season 3)
Now on that whole "Rick Lyon as Oscar" thing you said it'd sound like Nicky on a bad day but what I meant was how would he change his voice to sound like Oscar?
muppetlover16 2 weeks ago
@muppetlover16
But why did Steve Whitmire need a replacement? That's what I was wondering. Now about Oscar played by Rick Lyon, I kinda made the Nicky having a bad day part up. I'm not exactly sure how it would sound.
MrMetalmanRock 2 weeks ago
@MrMetalmanRock I'd have to agree with you on that "Nicky having a bad day" idea as a voice for Rick's Oscar, but you can also look at this way, you know that Rick is from New York, right? and if I recall correctly, Carroll Spinney's original Oscar sounded like a grouchy New York cab driver, so the way I see it, Rick would probably have to speak with that New York accent he has, but make himself sound grumpier
muppetlover16 1 week ago
@muppetlover16
I didn't know that Rick Lyon was from New York. But I could definitely picture him doing Oscar with a grouchy voice. That would be cool. And funny.
MrMetalmanRock 1 week ago
@MrMetalmanRock The reason Steve Whitmire needed a replacement was because he was either sick, or wanted to work with the Muppets, so they brought in John Tartaglia and I think Rick Lyon would've made the perfect Oscar, as for The Count I said Matt Vogel could do him, but I could see Rick doing him as well, I think his Count Von Count would probably sound like the voice he used for Bernie the Baker but with an Eastern-European accent
muppetlover16 1 week ago
@muppetlover16
Guess what? I found the clip, but I heard Bernie the Baker, and he sounds a little like Nicky, but not close enough. Also, he doesn't sound much like The Count.
MrMetalmanRock 1 week ago
@MrMetalmanRock Well of course since it's Rick Lyon he's gonna have to sound like one of his Avenue Q characters, but what I mean is in that clip Rick spoke with the same inflection as Jerry Nelson but he managed to little bit of Nicky slip through (which is why if he were to do The Count as I said before he'd give him a Romanian accent)
muppetlover16 1 week ago
@MrMetalmanRock Actually come to think of it, Bernie sounded more like Mr. Johnson (only more cheerful)
muppetlover16 1 week ago
@muppetlover16
You know, you're right. But to me, there are some parts where it doesn't sound like it. I don't know why.
MrMetalmanRock 1 week ago
@MrMetalmanRock Well with Mr.Johnson all Jerry does is speak in his normal voice RL managed to do the same thing, just without the easily aggravated tone,btw remember when we discussed the idea of Pam Arciero playing Mokey Fraggle? just from watching this vid I think that Pam would make an excellent Mokey and Matt could do Gobo,we know Karen, Steven and Dave still work for the Muppets so they'd reprise their roles, Steph and Marty might make good choices for Red or Boober too
muppetlover16 6 days ago
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BTW, I meant to say do.
MrMetalmanRock 5 days ago
@MrMetalmanRock I meant Red and Boober, my bad
muppetlover16 6 days ago
@muppetlover16
It's cool. Anyway, Pam Arciero would be good for Mokey. As for Gobo, I'm not sure what Matt Vogel would sound like. Though, I did say he could o the puppetry as Jerry Nelson did the voice, but I don't know. Another thing is is that Steph and Marty probably would be okay, though I'm not usually used to the idea, but they'd be fine. You know, if you listen to Diredre in Sounds of Our Lives, she sounds a bit like Kate Monster in some places.
MrMetalmanRock 5 days ago
@MrMetalmanRock We've been seeing a lot of that Jerry Nelson/Matt Vogel "symbiosis" on SS lately, but I think Matt's Gobo would sound just like Jerry's he's got Floyd and Robin down pat, heck why not Gobo?
Also where exactly does Diredre sound like Kate Monster in Sounds of our Lives? just asking
muppetlover16 2 days ago
@muppetlover16
Diredre sounds like Kate Monster in parts in the beginning. Also, this is just a question, but do you think if Matt did Gobo, would it sound like his Robin? Because Robin and Gobo both sounded the same when Jerry did them.
MrMetalmanRock 1 day ago
@MrMetalmanRock Of course it'd sound like his Robin, and I think I heard a bit of Kate Monster somewhere in Diredre, when she said "You were about to ask me something?" (at least I think it was that line) and remember when we talked about Martin Robinson doing Nicky for Avenue Q, Dirk's voice is perfect for him (especially when he's getting all mushy and sentimental in the beginning)
muppetlover16 23 hours ago
@muppetlover16
I don't know. I just think sometimes the original is better. I'm glad you found where I was talking about Diredre sounding like Kate Monster, and yes I remember we talked about Marty Robinson doing Nicky. He'd be good for Nicky, too.
MrMetalmanRock 23 hours ago
@MrMetalmanRock Just listen to Dirk when he says "Oh yeah?" it almost sounds like Nicky, also if all those doggone sounds got in the way of Dirk's proposal why didn't he just court Diredre in a quieter, sound free location? Hmm? if I had written this sketch here's how that part would've gone
Dirk: Diredre my dear, before I ask you my "very important question" would you follow me to the patio?
*later*
Dirk: Now, where was I? Oh yes, Diredre will you be mine?
Diredre:Oh yes Dirk, I will!
muppetlover16 23 hours ago
@muppetlover16
I've heard it before, and it sounds a lot like Boober Fraggle. If Marty Robinson were to do it, that is. And I'm sure you'd want to have a quiet proposal, unless you have friends there. Then it'd be as loud as the sketch! LOL XD
MrMetalmanRock 22 hours ago
@MrMetalmanRock And Lord only knows what happens after they get married and have children...
Dirk: Diredre honey, how do I love you let me count the ways...your eyes are more beautiful than the summer days, your hair is like golden flaxen...
*baby crying*
Dirk: What's that sound?
Diredre:The baby must be cranky, I'll be right back(goes to check on the baby)
Dirk: Just when the house couldn't get any noisier (sigh)
BTW when I said Dirk sounded like Nicky I said ALMOST and I ain't "Lyon"
muppetlover16 21 hours ago
@muppetlover16
Man! That would be funny! BTW, Dirk almost sounded like Nicky because I listened to the voice in my head and it sounded sort of similar.
MrMetalmanRock 4 hours ago
@MrMetalmanRock See I told you so, and if David Rudman were to do Rod his Rod would've sounded sort of Scooter or Baby Bear, hey you know who else does Nicky very well? Christian Anderson, and if you listen closely there's a bit of Martin in Chris' interpretation as opposed to Steve (whom Rick sounds like)
muppetlover16 3 hours ago
@muppetlover16
Christian Anderson does sort of sound like Nicky just from hearing some of his lines, but what happened to Rick Lyon? He didn't leave Avenue Q along with John Tartaglia, did he?
MrMetalmanRock 22 minutes ago
@MrMetalmanRock It's alright, and yes they are btw why is it that a lot of the female characters on SS don't stay around for long? I mean we had Deena, Ruby, Merry Monster,and Lulu back then and now it seems that the only ones with any real staying power are Zoe, Abby Caddabby, and Rosita, plus why is it that we never hear from Stephanie D'Abruzzo or Pam Arciero or Jen Barnhart? nowadays it's like every female Muppet voice you hear comes from Leslie Carrara-Rudolph,what's up with that?
muppetlover16 2 weeks ago
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muppetlover16 1 month ago
I actually remember seeing this as a kid! I also remember noticing the sound effect used for the Godmother's magic spells is the same sound effect used for the Amazing Mumford's magic spells (but with fancy magic words instead of "Ala Peanut Butter Sandwiches!")
wileyk209zback 4 months ago
cinderella sounds a lot like mokey from fraggle rock haha :D
Selenawannabe10 6 months ago
she needs another spell or a wand
pokemon5621 1 year ago
she needs another spell or a wand
pokemon5621 1 year ago
LOL Cinderella siad "Eww" 9 times
zyber9 1 year ago 4
Kermit sure dosent look good in a dress that fairy godmother must didnt use the right spell
pokemon5621 1 year ago
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JCMotorsOfficial 1 year ago
Kermits last remark when he is rushed away in the pumpkin carriage: 'What kind of food do they serve there?' was hilarious.
CF1975 2 years ago 3
i love fairy godmums voice!
sidirox4eva 2 years ago 2
Cinderella almost sounds like her performer was Kathy Mullen when she said "ew". At least to me.
NaiTaiDai 2 years ago
The Fairy Godmother sounds like Meteora from ``The Christmas Toy.'' Camille Bonora performs her. Cinderella sounds like Grungetta here.
essentialeugene 2 years ago
PAM ARCIERO as Cinderella
CAMILLE BONORA as Fairy Godmother
JesseOliver111 2 years ago
ha ha ha kermerella!
dewlulu 2 years ago
i wore a dress like that for my baptism!
stmpcol 2 years ago
The fairy godmother sounds (and looks!) like Joan Simms, the great comedy actress from the Carry On movies!
Flutterbyfree 2 years ago
Who is that person that says we take you now to Kermit the Frog? Where did they get the opening music?
redfox409 2 years ago
@redfox409 Jerry Nelson was the announcer; the music was composed by Joe Raposo
wileyk209zback 4 months ago
The fairy godmother in this sketch sounds more like Camille Bonara than Fran Brill to me.
Jbrangwynne53 2 years ago
Thanks for reposting this.
finnishminnow 2 years ago
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finnishminnow 3 years ago
Blooper: On 1:46, Cinderella mistakenly ends up in her rags as of before, and then the fairy godmother mistakenly causes Kermit to end up in Cinderella's dress after that even though it was meant to be worn on Cinderella.
finnishminnow 2 years ago
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finnishminnow 3 years ago
I remember the scene when Kermit wore Cinderella's dress when he knew it was supposed to be on Cinderella, which can be seen on the video "The Best of Kermit".
finnishminnow 2 years ago
"Eww!" I remember this very well; Cinderella's fairy godmother must've been related to Mumford, judging by the mistakes she made.
cosmowanda868 3 years ago 7
That seems logical.
disneyrangerblue02 2 years ago
Kermit looks hot in pink!
partyweirdo12 3 years ago
Well, I dare to bet that Cinderella should've had a bikini (2-piece) on instead of a one-piece one thanks to her Fiary Godmother.
ilovecarriefisher 3 years ago
I liked it when that one coachman asked if there was something they could do about Kermit's face!
Jamiepeavler 3 years ago
Thanks for pointing that out--I would have never picked it up. And it's the voice of Statler--well one of the hecklers anyhow on the Muppet Show.
lustre5 3 years ago
i love when cinderella says "eeeeeeeww". the fairy godmother's voice is funny too.
jx346 3 years ago 2
The Fairy Godmother seems to remind me of the Amazing Mumford!
wiley207 3 years ago
Yeah, you said it. I wonder if they are related.
NDW85 3 years ago
Heh-a clip from my childhood-funny as heck. Thanks for putting it back up again. THe best part is when Kermit winds up wearing Cinderella's dress and is taken to the ball!
glowworm2 3 years ago
You took the words from my mouth ... Uh... or in this case, took the words from my fingertips. BTW, I like at the very end when Kermit inquires as to what kind of food will be served at the ball. LOL!
dogdoo4brains 3 years ago
Another clip I was planning to post! I think Cinderella is Kathy Mullen, but her voices and Pam's voices saound so similar.
MarshalGrover 3 years ago
No, Cinderella is Pam cuz she sort of sounds like Grungetta.
jonnytbirdzback 3 years ago
I know that's Camille Bonora as the Fairy Godmother, not Fran Brill. BTW, this is probably my favorite Cinderella News Flash skit
wiley207 3 years ago
Yes, that's Camille alright.
Now that's the sort of fairy I enjoyed seeing on Sesame Street. Who needs Abby Cadabby anyway?
Garrettk41 3 years ago
Yeah. I kinda like Abby Cadabby, even though last season all she mainly did was announce the sponsors at the end of episodes. I'd like to see her get in a magic duel with the Amazing Mumford!
wiley207 3 years ago
@jonnytbirdzback Actually, I think Cinderella is Camille Benora, and the fairy godmother is Fran Brill.
muppetfan33 10 months ago
MarshalGrover, if you have this segment, does that mean you have a better quality version? If you do, please upload it, because this version is kindda crappy.(No offense, Jon.)
antsamthompson9 3 years ago
None taken.
jonnytbirdzback 3 years ago
@antsamthompson9 Oh, come on. This is the kind of quality I grew up with. Pure classic jonnytbirdzback
jtomally9681 1 year ago
@jtomally9681 Why thank you jtomally9681! I grew up with this kinda quality too! Every video I have doesn't always have to be perfect, antsamthompson9.
jonnytbirdzback 1 year ago
@MarshalGrover Yeah they do, hey if Kathy Mullen is unavailable for the Fraggle Rock movie I think Pam Arciero could play Mokey Fraggle, don't you think so Marshal?
muppetlover16 6 months ago
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I think Pam Arciero would be good for Mokey, since she did Leona (previously performed by Kathryn Mullen) in Between the Lions. Another thing I was thinking was if the Trash Heap and her assistants Philo and Gunge were in the movie, Gunge could be played by Kevin Clash (using the Benny Rabbit voice), since Richard Hunt is no longer with us. And Dave Goelz would still be Philo.
MrMetalmanRock 3 months ago
@MrMetalmanRock Wait hows about Matt Vogel as Gobo, Stephanie D'Abruzzo as Red (using the Kate Monster voice) and Dave would still be Boober/Philo/Traveling Matt and if Dave can't do it, maybe Rick Lyon could try it out, I think Rick's Traveling Matt and Philo would sound like Dave's and his version of Boober Fraggle would probably be a variation of Nicky
muppetlover16 3 months ago
@muppetlover16
What's wrong with Karen Prell doing Red?
MrMetalmanRock 3 months ago
@MrMetalmanRock Nothing, Karen is fine, I just think since she is older now, someone else (I say Stephanie) should try it, then again Karen has always been Red so, okay
muppetlover16 3 months ago
@muppetlover16
What I was thinking for Gobo was Jerry Nelson could do the voice and Matt Vogel could do the puppetry like he has been doing for Jerry's Sesame Street characters.
MrMetalmanRock 3 months ago in playlist Sesame Street news Flash
@MrMetalmanRock That'd work, since Jerry Nelson is too weak to puppeteer anymore, on account of his emphysema, not to mention his terrible arthritis, and I think Rick can do Boober 'cause he's extremely vocally versatile, I've heard him do impressions of Jim, Frank, Jerry, Richard, so if he can imitate them why not Dave Goelz?
muppetlover16 3 months ago
@muppetlover16
Yeah, just because Jerry Nelson is too weak for puppetry doesn't mean he can't do voices, right? Theother thing is Dave Goelz has always been Boober and still works for the Muppets. I couldn't imagine Rick Lyon doing Boober or any of Dave's other characters. Why would Boober be played by Rick Lyon anyway?
MrMetalmanRock 3 months ago