Wy are people comparing camaro ss to a gt500? Kill that talk if u wanna talk then compare gt500 to the new zl1 that's the rite class for that type of talk!
Low numbers considering the displacement be nice if GM could get the hp numbers closer to the CID. The Japanese are not as far ahead anymore when it comes to matched hp but the US still has catching up to do against Euro manufacturers. Too much power and not enough handling, ignoring customer feedback, have always been US car makers downfall in the global market. Someday maybe we'll see that same kind of balance but it will be from a minor car company not major player.
The Camaro SS isnt really in the same 'Class' so to speak as the shelby. Make it fair Compare Shelby GT-500 with the Hennessey Camro 550, Then get the Super Snake and put it up against the Hennessey Camaro 650. Camaro whores both. Still two beautiful cars thoo i dont understand y people always have to make a constant comparison just enjoy the american muscle
you do have to look at it this was though... your gonna go to shelby for the gt500 dont forget make it fair... go to hennessey for the hpe550 then put em both on slicks or DR's
@ZxMJKxZ The SS can run 12.5 stock with stock tires. Stickies, headers, CAI, and a tune get you to 11.7 and that doesn't total up close to the $17,000 price difference.
@TheBulldawg4life thats on the extreme though. The average is no where near that. Not to mention that a year ago when I posted my comment mid 12s was as good as people got the ss. . it's like saying an 11 gt500 will run 11 flat on stickies only. 10s with bolt ons. I wouldn't mind owning either, both are nice cars. But the extra cash gets you a better motor, trans, suspension. It's all about what someone wants. 550hp+ and warranty or save 7k and get a blown mid range model without it...
@ZxMJKxZ Didn't know we were talking about averages..I could go out in a GT500 and run crap 18 second runs over and over and over again and hurt the average. the example of the 11.7 is from over a year ago..so yes when you posted that guys were running far better than mid 12's no nitrous on LS3 motor. Basically a s/c, cam, converter, cat back, and slicks can get you a 10.1..so if your opinion is that the GT500 has a better motor, tans, or suspension you're gunna need solid proof. I can't find it
I can't believe guys are still argueing of mustangs vs camero's. Both are great cars, it just depends on your personal preferance, get the fuck over yourselves. The beauty of cars is getting to drive around in them and have a good time, but bitch and say whats better than the other you childish pricks. GT-500 is a beautiful mustang, camero SS has some great new style, I say unless you're mentally fucked in the head people should love them both.
I know. If you were in a camaro and you saw a mustang or a challenger, you would wave and say nice car, you wouldnt try to argue with them and say your car is better, it might be. so what? they are all great cars. The other day, I was in the 2010 Camaro with my dad, cause he bought one, and we saw a 2009 challenger, and we waved and said nice car. The people who wouldnt wave should never drive their car ever again.
Exactly. I personally am a car guy, but I don't care what it is I'm driving as long as it's fun to drive. What reaosn do people need to go around saying theirs is faster. I drive a celica GT, a small hatchback with a 4 cylinder engine. I could care less how fast it is, it's fun to drive on curvy roads.
Be prepared for the Camero Z28 that will be put in production in 2 years. It is going to house the GM performance LSA supercharged engine (same one used in the CTS-V) putting out 556 hp.
goverment motors sales are still at a minus that Z28 is just wishful thinking ...fords sells are up over both g.M and chrysler who cant sell big..even with the cash for clunkers success everyones eithers buying ford cars or imports
Funny how it takes a Supercharged Ford to have a chance at a naturally aspirated Chevy huh? How widely available is the GT-500 to the public anyhow? I dont know that Iv ever seen one, yet everytime I drive through Destin I see at least two Camaros. I may just lose the GT-500 in the crowd though, Mustangs are a dime a dozen.
...and not really anything new or fresh or special to look at either. Just a decent sounding set of pipes, which is due almost entirely to the small displacement of the little engine that often cant, (rather than the big engine that can and does, and wears a bowtie in the process.)
well come 2011 the mustang gts are gonna have an all new naturally aspirated engine the 5.0 32 valve V8 CRANKING OUT 400 HP 400 TORQUE and also its gonna be 100s on pounds lighter the 3,868 lb camaro ss which means quicker accelaration and speed
NO ...run them how the came from the factory ..Fords S.V.T AKA special. vehicles .team ..makes the ultimate factory mustangs ..1993-2004 mustang cobras 07-and up GT500s and Shelby GTs ..hennessey is a company buy itself
Yeah you're right, if i had the only pride and joy of Ford motors, I wouldnt want it to get its doors blown off by a far superior rival either. Each car came from the factory in a totally different configuration. GT-500 with a supercharger, Camaro SS without one puts the GT-500 in a slightly different class. You can order hennessy Camaros from a dealership, btw. Put a GT against an SS and you have a fair matchup and it has already been shown that the Camaro comes out on top.
But like the Hennessy it is still not a factory car, but rather a type of conversion, much like the southern comfort trucks and SUV's. Those vehicles aren't built in the process of normal production, neither is the GT-500
Fords S.V.T "Special Vehicles Team" it makes the GT500's it's owned by FORD it's not an aftermarket company like roush,saleen, hennessey...you dont go to an aftermarket company to buy a GT500 you go to the ford dealership ..i'm done with poimtless debate ..believe what you wanna believe ..
You buy hennessy camaros through the dealership too. Genius. All of this is beside the point because the GT-500 is not fords answer to the camaro ss. The camaro ss is a revived mustang GT and cobra killer. If it were intended to compete with a GT-500, it would not be naturally aspirated, but rather supercharged, making all things equal, actually they would lean heavily in favor of the camaro, the only thing that could hinder it then would be the driver.
a brand new 2010 camaro ss 426 crank hp and only has 364 at the rear wheels and its a manual transmission...that tells me that cars been highly overrated by G.M ..The 2010 Ford GT500 540 crank hp dyno's at 511 rwhp ..no contest at all by the new camaro
Wow, that's a lot quieter than I would expect from a V8 muscle car. I suspect a lot of people will be getting an intake and exhaust straight away to let more of that wonderful LS sound in.
Damn guys why do we all gotta take offence over the big (not so big anymore) 3?
I mean why do we gotta be fascists about cars...that sounds retarded to me...Mustangs are cool, Corvettes are cool, Goats, Challengers...there all awesome...so stop with this family feud thing. and enjoy the best that America has and other country's are envious of....but will NEVER admit to. we are the coolest cats around period... I'm a mustang guy Born from family of Blue Bloods...and I'm sad for Pontiac =(
You are 100% correct.. However, I think the new Camaro Chassis is evidence that the Trans-Am will live on, even though Pontiac has gone away..
ASC has already produced a Trans-AM using the Camaro Chassis. GM could also make a Trans-AM using the Camaro Chassis and sell it at GMC dealerships if need be. So while Pontiac may have gone away for awhile, I am sure we should expect a new Trans-Am soon. It can easily be done no problem. Stay positive!
@Tigeron1a - Don't get me wrong, there's nothing like the sound of a V8, but I'd never give up my Supra for it. And there is a replacement for displacement, it's called VTEC... jk
364 rwhp is awesome for a car that is priced in the low $30,000 range. Mines making 393 rwhp with just an exhaust and cold air intake. Best bang for the buck if you ask me!
Only 17% drivetrain loss - not bad at all. This thing is going to be kicking some major ass - just like the LT1 did in 1993 and the LS1 in 1998.
You guys can talk #'s and graphs, it should be this and it should be that all day long, but the bottom line is when you get ball sac choppped off, it isn't going to matter.
Abe4 Racing "i really know what im talking about" ok dumb shit tell me how "i accept the 2003 camaros were faster than the cobras" I thought the last year for the camaro was o2 fuck stick!
Corvette LS3s most likly have a more aggressive cam in it than the Camaro does, so that there is no way a Camaro could match the performance of a much more expensive Corvette even tho there rated at the same power. Its the same as C5 Corvettes and LS1 Camaros. GM does this on purpose.
its all in the intake and in the exhaust, i spoke with gm at sema, they just want the corvette to have more hp, because its a corvette. haha. you should take a look at the new camaros intake. its restrictive as HELL.
slow? Aren't the SS's rated at 425HP? so that showed 376 I think. That puts that motor to closer 435-440HP at the crank. I don't really know how you can call that slow.
And if you think Fords don't have durability, then watch this show called Horsepower TV, in that show they had a problem with one of the rod bearings in a low mileage LS1 Camaro, and the Camaro had just a Cold air intake and exhaust. So do not tell me GM has better durability. Any engine can break if you do not take good care of it. So far the other Cobra in my club has almost 600hp with the stock internals, and he has been driving it like that for over a year now. That's pretty damn impressive!
Also, the one who needs to accept the Camaro is slower is you bro, since the SS and GT500 are closer in price than if compared to a GT. The supersnake was made by Ford because they wanted to make the fastest and most powerful muscle car in the world, and kudos to them, because they acomplished it. The ZR1 Corvette is in a differtent league, the ZR1 isn't just a muscle car, its a supercar. Look for Ford GTX1, this is the car that competes with the ZR1. I actually know what I'm talking about bro!
The base price for a ss camaro is 33k so they're not in the same ballpark as the gt500. Plus with factory and dealer incentives you can take an extra 3-4k off the price. You'll pay an extra 3k for a nicely equipped camaro ss so 36k before the markdowns, with the extra 10-13k you can throw in a cam and s/c on and make over 600 hp and have money left over. the gtx1 will cost over 200k without dealer markup, all you have to do for the zr-1 is crank up the boost to 12 psi and it'll make 700hp.
Abe4racing embarasing! take your POS ass Ford and get the fuck out of here...the new camaro Slaps its balls all over your mustang...its sad that chevy came out with a car that for even with a $5000 supercharge added on is still more reasonably priced than your $50,000.00, 500hp shelbys which really push 400something horses.
LMAO, 50 000? its an 03, 03s go for under 30 k, so get your shitty ass facts straight. By the way, GT 500s sticker price is 46k, and Camaros is 40 k. Also the 2010 GT500 makes 540 hp, so get your dumbass facts straight retard. Let me know when you buy a 2010 Camaro (if you ever) so I smoke your ass in my "shitty Ford".
Well, since the Cobra is a beefed up GT done by Ford's in-house tuners (SVT), why don't you wait until Hennessey releases their version and then compare. This is built to compete with the GT. And a stock Cobra makes 390 at the flywheel. Dont kid us with only a 20hp drivetrain loss. Oh, and have you replaced your heads yet? 03 was a great year to buy a Cobra!
It's kind of funny how all you retards say: The camaro SS is built to compete against the GT, but it costs almost the same as the GT500. You only think what is convenient for you. I accept that before 2003 the camaros were faster than the Cobras, back then you used to compare them, didn't you? but now since the Camaro has the disadvantage, lets compare it to the GT ha! Pretty damn convenient and good way to be bad loosers!
Oh btw, they don't make 390, that's sandbagging from Ford to keep insurance costs low. It is estimated they make from 420 to 430.
Also, I don't need to replace my heads, even if I had to I wouldn't spend a dime, since Ford does it for free. They only had them with messed up heads for about three months, mine didn't have that issue. Also, the Cobra isn't a beefed up GT, it has a totally different engine, internals, interior, suspension (IRS), wheels, transmission, exterior, etc.
My point is a car made 7 years ago, with a small ass 4.6 engine produces more horsepower than a POS Chevy.
I know my car is supercharged, yet the CCs of my engine are way below 6 litters. It is typical for rednecks such as yourself to give that dumb answer all time, yet you provably drive a real POS such as an 80's Slowmaro, wich got their asses handed to them by Fox bodies, which had, again, smaller engines. Next time you want to talk shit make sure you don't own a POS yourself. Redneck!!!!!!
lol guy your a fucking idiot. Ford put a supercharger on because they cant compete without it.. Do you know how fucking slow a regular gt or non supercharged cobra is?? LOL. Remember ford being sued because they didnt meet power claims? LOL!!! pathetic
When GM supercharges something it make insane power. Just look at the Zr1 or the CTSv.
Fords use of a supercharger is nothing more then a bandaid on an otherwise inferior engine with forged internals.
LMFAO, listen retard!!!! The 2000 Cobra R made 385 hp with a 5.4L, the same year Z06 made thesame hp, but with a 5.7L. 2005 mustang GTs little 4.6 makes 300, 2002 last camaro made 325 with again, a 5.7
When GM supercharges a car they do a huge engine, such as a 6.3L wich is the ZR1s that produces 638 hp, the GT500 supersnake with a 5.4 litter produces 725 hp. Need more proof that GM needs huge engines to keep up?
Next time get your facts straight YOU FUCKING IDIOT!!!!!
abeeb4racing, the camaros 3.6 v6 makes 304 hp, what does the mustangs v6 make? the 2009 gt500 does the qm in 12.8-12.9 sec which is slow for 500hp. the ss camaro does it in 13 sec with 422hp. when the z28 camaro with 550hp hits the road it will be faster than the gt500. i like the new mustangs, but you need to accept the fact the mustang is slower. also the zr1's 638 hp is made with 9psi, how much boost does the super snake need to make 725hp? and the reality is, its still slower than the zr-1
OK. First of all, the V6 Camaro has direct port injection, that's diferent technology. I make a 12.8 in my 03 Cobra in the 1/4 mile, and they make from 420-430. The GT500 makes 12.4 at the 1/4 mile, Motortrend is full of shit!!
The Z28 Camaro is never going to hit the streets, they canceled it since GM can't afford to make it, look it up. I don't really know what PSi the Supersnake makes, but people say Ford makes shitty engines, well, how about 725hp for a 5.4 engine? I want to see GM do that
the camaros v6 is better technology. I know what the previous gen cobras run. I ran a gt500 at the track about 6 months ago. I have a 05 gto 385 rwhp I ran 12.62@ 110 1.8 60ft. he ran 12.78 @ 112 1.92 60ft. Once gm sees the profit from the new gen camaros the z 28 will hit the showroom. If you build a forged motor and run high boost its going to make big numbers that how you see 4 bangers making over 600hp. What everyone questions on the fords motor is the longevity not the ability to make power
Are you by pure chance from Nevada dude, or California? because if you are I'd really love to race you, and tape it,because I know that GT0s stock can barely brake into the 12s. I'm in a car team, we have 3 cobras 1 GTO, 1 Mach 1, 2 Saleens, and 1 trans am. The GTO will never get close to my Cobra, and the GTO has a Cold air intake, so please do not tell me that you beat a GT500 with a 385hp GTO, please do not lie! Like i said, I really know what I'm talking about.
lol kid.. i know you have a cold air and intake on your civic but sit down and relax here... 385 horsepower WAS AT THE REAR WHEELS. You do know there is a difference between flywheel and RWHP right?? LOL 385 at the wheels is near 500 at the crank. Thats more then enough to easily beat a stock gt500 PIG of a car.
You really have NO FUCKING CLUE WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT... your talking out of your ass and dont know shit..
Actually its about 430-440 at the crank. 500 is a bit extreme. A rwd car, that weighs as much as the camero wont have a loss of 120HP through the drive line. That would constitute a major fail on GM's part.
are you kidding 385 at wheels and 500 at crank wow thats some serious drivetrain loss lol ya i think you have no idea what your talking about, and if GM is so great why are they goin under well ford is doing just fine
fuck face did i say 385 at the wheels was 500 horsepower. i said it was NEAR 500 horsepower at the fly. if your going to "quote" atleast quote the entire thing. if you had a clue you'd know auto's have a higher drivetrain loss. do the math retard. 385 rwhp / .82 = 470hp at the fly, or NEAR 500.
thats 18% drivetrain loss which is the accepted amount for an auto 15% for a manual. get a fuckin clue asshole
They're just getting mixed up. Chevy was considering a new z28 camaro with the Cadillac motor which produces 556 hp but i don't know if they're actually going through with it or not.
Yes, because GM outdid Ford for the last 15 years with a 30-35% more world market share of their products. Ford was too busy in the meantime recalling exploders and designing mustangs that always lacked the competitive horsepower to camaros and transams. GM is going downhill because they decided to stand up to the communists (called UAW) and this socialist country doesn't care about capitalism anymore so it bit them in the ass. Good luck trying to out do the 2010 Camaro Ford. lol you'll need it.
i agree with you, i question why the heck it's happening, but marines dog on navy guys, gibson dogs on fender......it's just endless how people will narrow down groups just to make them feel special. I love all engines, how's that for equality?
now i feel tough and smart... maybe ill go try for my Good Enough Diploma. was it a hard test , did you pass?
oh no!!!! i dont have youtube respect from you? holy shit.... well this will be my last post as i just cant continue to live without your youtube respect. goodbye cruel world!
abe. according to automobilemag com and numerous other site the base price is 31-32k, you need to look that up. Im in az. Maybe you missed the part where I said 385 (((Rwhp))) which equates to 460-470 flywheel hp. listen man I'd be happy to race you if you ever come to az. I've been racing for over ten years now so I think I know what I'm talking about.
fuck face you want to talk facts atleast know some you piece of shit. all ls1's made over 350 horsepower. The ls6 made 405 except for the first year. cobra r is a joke and limited production
LOL the supersnake with 725 horsepower? You mean the one that is sold without a warranty and costs 100 grand for a "cough" MUSTANG??? LOL!!!!! GM engines outclass ford... period. Even the supercharged gt couldnt beat the N/A Z06.
Kinda funny how GM's HUGE engines are smaller and lighter then ford modulars.
and if you had any fucking clue at all you would know as soon as you force feed a motor displacement doesnt really matter for PEAK dyno numbers. retards like you dont understand power under the curve so we wont discuss that with your simple mind.
GM's ecotec dragster makes over 1500 horsepower with 2L displacement. 725 out of a 5.4l is fucking pathetic by your logic now.
Also do you know how easy it is for lingenfelter to get 1000 horsepower out of the z06's? fords motors suck. get over it
wtf he called me a redneck haha. your just a sad loser that likes shit stangs. if i liked shit stangs like you i would me mad to. i dont blame you for being mad mustang are wack and we all know it. thats all ford has is the poo stang.
Jerk, This competes with the mustang GT. The Z28 was supposed to compete with the cobra. And if this motor had a supercharger it would surpass your wimpy 371rwhp by 100 hp with the stock pulley.
Acording to you, because that camaro's cost is closer to the GT500s, and the GT500 smokes the living shit out of that slow ass Camaro. The Camaro that has the price close to the Mustang GT is the V6 camaro, wich btw sucks the GTs nuts all day. Oh, and if Ford had a 6.0 litter engine it would make 50 more than any shitty ass Chevy motor. It has already been proven by Horse Power TV. a 427 Ford made over 80 more hp than a 427 Chevy's rat engine. The only way GM beats Ford is with bigger engines.
you like to get your "facts" from hosepower tv dont you? lol... that show is ok for entertainment but dont take any of their results seriously... lol....
if ford had a 6 liter engine they would need a fucking mack truck to fit it in. Do you know how much bigger and heavier a 4.6l ford is to a 7L LS7? FUCKING PATHETIC.
i totally agree with chillaxin602. if u want to drive a import pos y dont u just go live there. imports= shit just go buy a domestic. the ls series motors are solid and proven powerhouses. i wish i could afford one
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oh gosh.. a chevy lover.. domestic=shit.. can you explain why the big 3 is going down and not the imports?? it's because the big 3 builds shit cars... open up your eyes and see the truth man.. get over yourself.. i'd buy a domestic car if they weren't so shitty.. maybe in the future if they actually start making better cars.. they should learn from the imports...
workers expect american wages but dont want to pay top dollar for american cars so they end up buying cheaper foreign cars such as honda's or nissans.
haha.. foreign cars are cheap? what world are you living in? they are the best cars around.. if you want quality and reliability... go foreign.. if you want a high horsepower, gas guzzling, pos.. buy domestic..
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Those numbers look good to me stock!! That is just about perfect! Some people will be happy with that much power! That will feel pretty good on a test drive!
Glad to see the Mustang has got his old rival back in action! No matter which car you choose, the Mustang and Camaro are brothers! I wonder if Pontiac will borrow the Camaro Chassis for a new Trans Am later?
I would hope GM would take the New Camaro chassis and make a sister car such as the Firebird like they used to.
Because if GM wants to pull itself out of the deep ass hole their in they need the New Camaro and possibly a New Firebird to do well and so far the Camaro is getting a lot of attention, the Firebird would only add to it and thats what they need. GM, Just give us an affordable, good looking V8 RWD performance car, with a manual transmission and we'll be happy.
they did the same thing a few years back its not going to help wat they need is reliability and something that the american public would few as better looking than a stang thats the biggest money maker
So far thats what GM has been doing with the New Camaro, It has the LS series engine which is rock solid. The rest we will see, hopefully GM learned from past models weak points. The new Camaro looks better than the new Mustang with the facelift, the 2005 style Mustangs looked better than the new ones. People love the look of the new Camaro, hopefully GM will see the potential and revive the Firebird and it's history in a new version.
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man they should make SLP version of this with more power by installing S/C or bigger head's and other staff,at least it can be compared with srt8 challenger and gt500 shelby
the auto already beats the srt8 in horses. a stock heavy ace srt8 makes 1 less horse at the crank weighs 100 more lbs. Now the the gt500 is a different story.
the arguments on here crack me up... im a ford guy but you gotta respect a nice car and good power...fords might have smalled motors and less power but are very quick cars...gm just uses brute displacement and power from the LS series and even though they are great motors and make great power...its and old design..still though..GM or Ford...still better than imports
have any of you seen the horrible stock exhaust on these? once thats ripped off, headers + Y + catback, these will see 50+whp gains. just look @ what the LS3 vettes get, and their exhaust is decent.
myabe because it has 2 tips? idk what they said in the video, so show it to me and ill check it out. trust me though, having seen one in person, the exhaust on these is pretty damn restrictive.
it's a sleeper, lol, 13 sec 1/4, im not impressed, that's what the 02 Camaros and Trans Am's were running. Still it's pretty decent and far better looking.
dude only skilled driver and SS camaro 6m ran 12.9. SS auto and T/A were 13.6 cars all day and Zs were around 13.8. your getting the new SS times from magazine videos. new SS camaro probably can hit mid 12s with 6m. but look at the auto its doing 13.1 consistently try that in a mustang auto.
show me a auto 06 mustang GT ran 13.6 completely stock lol. thay make 245rwhp lol. the auto LS1 camaro did that in 02 with 300rwhp. the auto 02 mustang GT lol made 225rwhp and did 14.7 1/4. the V6 camaro faster than that lol.
Where are you getting your info from? Stock GTs dyno around 270-280rwhp FYI. Mine ran a 13.5 at 103 bone stock with 500mi on the car. Laugh all you want...to the more knowing car guys on youtube...you sound like a moron. Do some research before you post instead of reading some car and driver magazine. The LS1 has a great motor....Chevy did it right....but come one kid...lets get real on the numbers.
Funny you should be talking about Magazines...since thats where you got the Mustangs numbers lol. Honestly educate yourself. Justin Burcham was running low 13s with his bone stock 05 GT. Look it up. Last time I checked I didnt see any 05 and up Z's or T/A's running around...why? Because the Mullet went out of style, so the car got cut just like the Mullet.
Wy are people comparing camaro ss to a gt500? Kill that talk if u wanna talk then compare gt500 to the new zl1 that's the rite class for that type of talk!
Alberga458 3 months ago
Low numbers considering the displacement be nice if GM could get the hp numbers closer to the CID. The Japanese are not as far ahead anymore when it comes to matched hp but the US still has catching up to do against Euro manufacturers. Too much power and not enough handling, ignoring customer feedback, have always been US car makers downfall in the global market. Someday maybe we'll see that same kind of balance but it will be from a minor car company not major player.
JAG03064 1 year ago
there is something wrong with this dyno, it just reads waaay too high
2002REDIS300 1 year ago
i am starting to think this nothing but an image car. They want even post the dyno numbers
redd7188 1 year ago
The Camaro SS isnt really in the same 'Class' so to speak as the shelby. Make it fair Compare Shelby GT-500 with the Hennessey Camro 550, Then get the Super Snake and put it up against the Hennessey Camaro 650. Camaro whores both. Still two beautiful cars thoo i dont understand y people always have to make a constant comparison just enjoy the american muscle
JoaquinSerrapio 1 year ago
the best stock 2010 ss cars are running 12.6-12.7 stock. 2010 GT500's have them COVERED.
XassasinatorX 1 year ago
2010 gt500 on sticky tires = mid 11s.... what can the ss run, mid 12s, maybe.... but for the money that is good, cant complain...
ZxMJKxZ 2 years ago
you do have to look at it this was though... your gonna go to shelby for the gt500 dont forget make it fair... go to hennessey for the hpe550 then put em both on slicks or DR's
Camaros5678 2 years ago
@ZxMJKxZ The SS can run 12.5 stock with stock tires. Stickies, headers, CAI, and a tune get you to 11.7 and that doesn't total up close to the $17,000 price difference.
TheBulldawg4life 10 months ago
@TheBulldawg4life thats on the extreme though. The average is no where near that. Not to mention that a year ago when I posted my comment mid 12s was as good as people got the ss. . it's like saying an 11 gt500 will run 11 flat on stickies only. 10s with bolt ons. I wouldn't mind owning either, both are nice cars. But the extra cash gets you a better motor, trans, suspension. It's all about what someone wants. 550hp+ and warranty or save 7k and get a blown mid range model without it...
ZxMJKxZ 10 months ago
@ZxMJKxZ Didn't know we were talking about averages..I could go out in a GT500 and run crap 18 second runs over and over and over again and hurt the average. the example of the 11.7 is from over a year ago..so yes when you posted that guys were running far better than mid 12's no nitrous on LS3 motor. Basically a s/c, cam, converter, cat back, and slicks can get you a 10.1..so if your opinion is that the GT500 has a better motor, tans, or suspension you're gunna need solid proof. I can't find it
TheBulldawg4life 10 months ago
what are the numbers?. . . .my screen is shit! sorry
opioid82 2 years ago
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Chase389 2 years ago
GT500= 12.8 on the quarter
Camaro SS= 12.9 on the quarter
GT500= $47,175 base msrp
Camaro SS= $30,995 base msrp
Camaro ultimately, is the better buy, and put that $16,000
(price difference between SS and GT500) into one, you will walk Super Snakes.
TheMagicalBikeCrew 2 years ago
I meant the bottom end in the camaro is weak it will only hold like 475hp. The GT500 will hold up to around 900hp
Chase389 2 years ago
you broke an ls3 with 475whp?
viasevenvai 2 years ago
@viasevenvai I'm with this guy.... You had to be just raping that poor LS3 motor to break it at 475whp ....
Raizor3GS 1 year ago
man my buddy bought the ss right when it came out for 62,000...man he got ripped
RYNORICHIE1 2 years ago
@RYNORICHIE1 Yeah, the mark up was insane in the beginning. My Dad bought his 2SS/RS for like $34,000 or so with GMS pricing.
TheMagicalBikeCrew 2 years ago
yall are hillarius real racers build there cars and race on track
bradgore 2 years ago
Hey what precentage do you loose when you put your car on a DYNO isent it 20 or 25% drive train loss anybody??
hotrodcamarofoot 2 years ago
I can't believe guys are still argueing of mustangs vs camero's. Both are great cars, it just depends on your personal preferance, get the fuck over yourselves. The beauty of cars is getting to drive around in them and have a good time, but bitch and say whats better than the other you childish pricks. GT-500 is a beautiful mustang, camero SS has some great new style, I say unless you're mentally fucked in the head people should love them both.
AntiHero12109 2 years ago 4
I know. If you were in a camaro and you saw a mustang or a challenger, you would wave and say nice car, you wouldnt try to argue with them and say your car is better, it might be. so what? they are all great cars. The other day, I was in the 2010 Camaro with my dad, cause he bought one, and we saw a 2009 challenger, and we waved and said nice car. The people who wouldnt wave should never drive their car ever again.
irokatcod4 2 years ago
Exactly. I personally am a car guy, but I don't care what it is I'm driving as long as it's fun to drive. What reaosn do people need to go around saying theirs is faster. I drive a celica GT, a small hatchback with a 4 cylinder engine. I could care less how fast it is, it's fun to drive on curvy roads.
AntiHero12109 2 years ago
yeah thats totally true
irokatcod4 2 years ago
Be prepared for the Camero Z28 that will be put in production in 2 years. It is going to house the GM performance LSA supercharged engine (same one used in the CTS-V) putting out 556 hp.
Profett20 2 years ago
goverment motors sales are still at a minus that Z28 is just wishful thinking ...fords sells are up over both g.M and chrysler who cant sell big..even with the cash for clunkers success everyones eithers buying ford cars or imports
fashizze 2 years ago
Funny how it takes a Supercharged Ford to have a chance at a naturally aspirated Chevy huh? How widely available is the GT-500 to the public anyhow? I dont know that Iv ever seen one, yet everytime I drive through Destin I see at least two Camaros. I may just lose the GT-500 in the crowd though, Mustangs are a dime a dozen.
Reid107 2 years ago
...and not really anything new or fresh or special to look at either. Just a decent sounding set of pipes, which is due almost entirely to the small displacement of the little engine that often cant, (rather than the big engine that can and does, and wears a bowtie in the process.)
Reid107 2 years ago
well come 2011 the mustang gts are gonna have an all new naturally aspirated engine the 5.0 32 valve V8 CRANKING OUT 400 HP 400 TORQUE and also its gonna be 100s on pounds lighter the 3,868 lb camaro ss which means quicker accelaration and speed
fashizze 2 years ago
Put a GT-500 up against a Hennessy edition Camaro... See what you think then.
Reid107 2 years ago
NO ...run them how the came from the factory ..Fords S.V.T AKA special. vehicles .team ..makes the ultimate factory mustangs ..1993-2004 mustang cobras 07-and up GT500s and Shelby GTs ..hennessey is a company buy itself
fashizze 2 years ago
Yeah you're right, if i had the only pride and joy of Ford motors, I wouldnt want it to get its doors blown off by a far superior rival either. Each car came from the factory in a totally different configuration. GT-500 with a supercharger, Camaro SS without one puts the GT-500 in a slightly different class. You can order hennessy Camaros from a dealership, btw. Put a GT against an SS and you have a fair matchup and it has already been shown that the Camaro comes out on top.
Reid107 2 years ago
But like the Hennessy it is still not a factory car, but rather a type of conversion, much like the southern comfort trucks and SUV's. Those vehicles aren't built in the process of normal production, neither is the GT-500
Reid107 2 years ago
Fords S.V.T "Special Vehicles Team" it makes the GT500's it's owned by FORD it's not an aftermarket company like roush,saleen, hennessey...you dont go to an aftermarket company to buy a GT500 you go to the ford dealership ..i'm done with poimtless debate ..believe what you wanna believe ..
fashizze 2 years ago
You buy hennessy camaros through the dealership too. Genius. All of this is beside the point because the GT-500 is not fords answer to the camaro ss. The camaro ss is a revived mustang GT and cobra killer. If it were intended to compete with a GT-500, it would not be naturally aspirated, but rather supercharged, making all things equal, actually they would lean heavily in favor of the camaro, the only thing that could hinder it then would be the driver.
Reid107 2 years ago
that cars definatly 400 crank hp
fashizze 2 years ago
a brand new 2010 camaro ss 426 crank hp and only has 364 at the rear wheels and its a manual transmission...that tells me that cars been highly overrated by G.M ..The 2010 Ford GT500 540 crank hp dyno's at 511 rwhp ..no contest at all by the new camaro
fashizze 2 years ago
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Reid107 2 years ago
i want one of these SO bad....
cliffabrown 2 years ago
wow that thing is so quite, stock chargers, challengers, and mustangs are louder than that!
goeca 2 years ago
My 4th gen is faster....
BlackZCamaro 2 years ago
yeah man.... tht car is beast
Retep99999 2 years ago
Wow, that's a lot quieter than I would expect from a V8 muscle car. I suspect a lot of people will be getting an intake and exhaust straight away to let more of that wonderful LS sound in.
splewy 2 years ago
ya the stock exhaust is good, but quiet.
EDKsurly 2 years ago
its louder in real life
ace9213 2 years ago
i absolutely love how you hear it kick into gear, and then you hear the real power
PMPN8IVEPRIDE 2 years ago
now get a tune, exhaust, and cai and you will be over 400 hp at the wheels.
pj5454302 2 years ago
Damn guys why do we all gotta take offence over the big (not so big anymore) 3?
I mean why do we gotta be fascists about cars...that sounds retarded to me...Mustangs are cool, Corvettes are cool, Goats, Challengers...there all awesome...so stop with this family feud thing. and enjoy the best that America has and other country's are envious of....but will NEVER admit to. we are the coolest cats around period... I'm a mustang guy Born from family of Blue Bloods...and I'm sad for Pontiac =(
Tigeron1a 2 years ago 15
good post man... i never thought about it that way
PMPN8IVEPRIDE 2 years ago
You are 100% correct.. However, I think the new Camaro Chassis is evidence that the Trans-Am will live on, even though Pontiac has gone away..
ASC has already produced a Trans-AM using the Camaro Chassis. GM could also make a Trans-AM using the Camaro Chassis and sell it at GMC dealerships if need be. So while Pontiac may have gone away for awhile, I am sure we should expect a new Trans-Am soon. It can easily be done no problem. Stay positive!
S197V6TT 2 years ago
once they do I'll add that to my line up.
cross your fingers^^
Tigeron1a 2 years ago
You are correct. The real enemy is Japan and Korea and,soon-China. But keep in mind-they can never take away our memories of the cars we LOVE...
totofan1960 2 years ago
I SAY bring the competition....whats the fun if all we have to beat up is ourselves...i stand unafraid.
Tigeron1a 2 years ago
@Tigeron1a - Don't get me wrong, there's nothing like the sound of a V8, but I'd never give up my Supra for it. And there is a replacement for displacement, it's called VTEC... jk
TGWT69C 1 year ago
@TGWT69C
:P I don't blame you. For JDM that is not a bad choice.
Tigeron1a 1 year ago
Read somewhere that redline is 6250. seems kinda low for an LS3.
sabbathofcolorblack 2 years ago
6600 in an 08 c6!
rmm2424 2 years ago
364 rwhp is awesome for a car that is priced in the low $30,000 range. Mines making 393 rwhp with just an exhaust and cold air intake. Best bang for the buck if you ask me!
jaymcclure188 2 years ago 2
whats funny about that is you just described yourself haha
02stang951 2 years ago
the run too forever to finish.
why is it so heavy.
AbdullahHaidar 2 years ago
GM is goin down hill
FUNNYman1808 2 years ago
They are rated at 426 actually.
0SCRAPPY0 2 years ago 3
It's about 15% driveline loss which is "around 62 hp". It makes 426 at the flywheel . 62 from 426 is 364.
IEATZR1 2 years ago
just beauitful :)
mart229 2 years ago
amen!
gizthegizzygizmo 2 years ago
WTF is a 2003 Camaro? Where do you keyboard warriors come up with this shit?
LS1Heli 2 years ago 3
Only 17% drivetrain loss - not bad at all. This thing is going to be kicking some major ass - just like the LT1 did in 1993 and the LS1 in 1998.
You guys can talk #'s and graphs, it should be this and it should be that all day long, but the bottom line is when you get ball sac choppped off, it isn't going to matter.
LS1Heli 2 years ago
Abe4 Racing "i really know what im talking about" ok dumb shit tell me how "i accept the 2003 camaros were faster than the cobras" I thought the last year for the camaro was o2 fuck stick!
howieketchdem 2 years ago
CHEVY, bigger and better!
m82a150 2 years ago
Not to mention GM has overrated Every V8 engine since the LS1.
Nightakula 2 years ago
uhmm... no they haven't, 365 is 90% of 405(what its rated at) so thats only 10% drivetrain loss, thats actually really good
ijamtothebeat 2 years ago
Corvette LS3s most likly have a more aggressive cam in it than the Camaro does, so that there is no way a Camaro could match the performance of a much more expensive Corvette even tho there rated at the same power. Its the same as C5 Corvettes and LS1 Camaros. GM does this on purpose.
Nightakula 2 years ago
its all in the intake and in the exhaust, i spoke with gm at sema, they just want the corvette to have more hp, because its a corvette. haha. you should take a look at the new camaros intake. its restrictive as HELL.
701sti 2 years ago
yeah Id imagine you could get the tunes for a corvette on that engine no prob...be well over 425^^
Tigeron1a 2 years ago
they aren't rated at the same power, the corvette LS3 has more power, because the camaro's is restrictive
ijamtothebeat 2 years ago
hell no lol
crxpro1 2 years ago
For those of you that cant read its.
364 HP and 37x TQ
Kids need to learn how to read a graph before commenting.
jordanm6 2 years ago
slow
crxpro1 2 years ago
slow? Aren't the SS's rated at 425HP? so that showed 376 I think. That puts that motor to closer 435-440HP at the crank. I don't really know how you can call that slow.
DaShnipa 2 years ago
ur name is crxpro seriously?
BobRoss186 2 years ago 4
whats mean ss?
AVIV222 2 years ago
Super Sport
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YNWA575 2 years ago
I tend to scroll down and read the comments,idk why but i do ,and I must say,
MAN THERE ARE SOME STUPID FUCKING PEOPLE COMMENTING ON YOUTUBE.......Thank you.
wellshii 2 years ago 7
And if you think Fords don't have durability, then watch this show called Horsepower TV, in that show they had a problem with one of the rod bearings in a low mileage LS1 Camaro, and the Camaro had just a Cold air intake and exhaust. So do not tell me GM has better durability. Any engine can break if you do not take good care of it. So far the other Cobra in my club has almost 600hp with the stock internals, and he has been driving it like that for over a year now. That's pretty damn impressive!
Abe4racing 2 years ago
Also, the one who needs to accept the Camaro is slower is you bro, since the SS and GT500 are closer in price than if compared to a GT. The supersnake was made by Ford because they wanted to make the fastest and most powerful muscle car in the world, and kudos to them, because they acomplished it. The ZR1 Corvette is in a differtent league, the ZR1 isn't just a muscle car, its a supercar. Look for Ford GTX1, this is the car that competes with the ZR1. I actually know what I'm talking about bro!
Abe4racing 2 years ago
The base price for a ss camaro is 33k so they're not in the same ballpark as the gt500. Plus with factory and dealer incentives you can take an extra 3-4k off the price. You'll pay an extra 3k for a nicely equipped camaro ss so 36k before the markdowns, with the extra 10-13k you can throw in a cam and s/c on and make over 600 hp and have money left over. the gtx1 will cost over 200k without dealer markup, all you have to do for the zr-1 is crank up the boost to 12 psi and it'll make 700hp.
mach2525 2 years ago
Bro, the base price for the Camaro is 39k, really, you need to look that up.
Abe4racing 2 years ago
both mustangs and camaros are awesome but i like the new camaro way more than the new mustang.
0InRainbows0 2 years ago 2
Abe4racing embarasing! take your POS ass Ford and get the fuck out of here...the new camaro Slaps its balls all over your mustang...its sad that chevy came out with a car that for even with a $5000 supercharge added on is still more reasonably priced than your $50,000.00, 500hp shelbys which really push 400something horses.
cjonckheer 2 years ago
LMAO, 50 000? its an 03, 03s go for under 30 k, so get your shitty ass facts straight. By the way, GT 500s sticker price is 46k, and Camaros is 40 k. Also the 2010 GT500 makes 540 hp, so get your dumbass facts straight retard. Let me know when you buy a 2010 Camaro (if you ever) so I smoke your ass in my "shitty Ford".
Abe4racing 2 years ago
I can't wait to see what you guys do with it!
HondaRider307 2 years ago
Well, since the Cobra is a beefed up GT done by Ford's in-house tuners (SVT), why don't you wait until Hennessey releases their version and then compare. This is built to compete with the GT. And a stock Cobra makes 390 at the flywheel. Dont kid us with only a 20hp drivetrain loss. Oh, and have you replaced your heads yet? 03 was a great year to buy a Cobra!
NismoZXTT 2 years ago
It's kind of funny how all you retards say: The camaro SS is built to compete against the GT, but it costs almost the same as the GT500. You only think what is convenient for you. I accept that before 2003 the camaros were faster than the Cobras, back then you used to compare them, didn't you? but now since the Camaro has the disadvantage, lets compare it to the GT ha! Pretty damn convenient and good way to be bad loosers!
Abe4racing 2 years ago
for someone who really knows what they're talking about you should know camaros werent made in 2003... hahah what a fucking idiot.
ws6transam1971 2 years ago
Oh btw, they don't make 390, that's sandbagging from Ford to keep insurance costs low. It is estimated they make from 420 to 430.
Also, I don't need to replace my heads, even if I had to I wouldn't spend a dime, since Ford does it for free. They only had them with messed up heads for about three months, mine didn't have that issue. Also, the Cobra isn't a beefed up GT, it has a totally different engine, internals, interior, suspension (IRS), wheels, transmission, exterior, etc.
Abe4racing 2 years ago
LMAO, I guess this proves my stock 03 Cobra has more power than the new Camaro when it Dynoed 371rwhp. Awsome, keep it up Chevy! lol
Abe4racing 2 years ago
Not bad considering the camaro doesn't need a supercharger to generate those numbers... =P
32bitcal 2 years ago
end of the day your still driving a pos ford so your point is??????
nitrous818 2 years ago
My point is a car made 7 years ago, with a small ass 4.6 engine produces more horsepower than a POS Chevy.
I know my car is supercharged, yet the CCs of my engine are way below 6 litters. It is typical for rednecks such as yourself to give that dumb answer all time, yet you provably drive a real POS such as an 80's Slowmaro, wich got their asses handed to them by Fox bodies, which had, again, smaller engines. Next time you want to talk shit make sure you don't own a POS yourself. Redneck!!!!!!
Abe4racing 2 years ago
lol guy your a fucking idiot. Ford put a supercharger on because they cant compete without it.. Do you know how fucking slow a regular gt or non supercharged cobra is?? LOL. Remember ford being sued because they didnt meet power claims? LOL!!! pathetic
When GM supercharges something it make insane power. Just look at the Zr1 or the CTSv.
Fords use of a supercharger is nothing more then a bandaid on an otherwise inferior engine with forged internals.
ws6transam1971 2 years ago 3
LMFAO, listen retard!!!! The 2000 Cobra R made 385 hp with a 5.4L, the same year Z06 made thesame hp, but with a 5.7L. 2005 mustang GTs little 4.6 makes 300, 2002 last camaro made 325 with again, a 5.7
When GM supercharges a car they do a huge engine, such as a 6.3L wich is the ZR1s that produces 638 hp, the GT500 supersnake with a 5.4 litter produces 725 hp. Need more proof that GM needs huge engines to keep up?
Next time get your facts straight YOU FUCKING IDIOT!!!!!
Abe4racing 2 years ago
abeeb4racing, the camaros 3.6 v6 makes 304 hp, what does the mustangs v6 make? the 2009 gt500 does the qm in 12.8-12.9 sec which is slow for 500hp. the ss camaro does it in 13 sec with 422hp. when the z28 camaro with 550hp hits the road it will be faster than the gt500. i like the new mustangs, but you need to accept the fact the mustang is slower. also the zr1's 638 hp is made with 9psi, how much boost does the super snake need to make 725hp? and the reality is, its still slower than the zr-1
mach2525 2 years ago 2
OK. First of all, the V6 Camaro has direct port injection, that's diferent technology. I make a 12.8 in my 03 Cobra in the 1/4 mile, and they make from 420-430. The GT500 makes 12.4 at the 1/4 mile, Motortrend is full of shit!!
The Z28 Camaro is never going to hit the streets, they canceled it since GM can't afford to make it, look it up. I don't really know what PSi the Supersnake makes, but people say Ford makes shitty engines, well, how about 725hp for a 5.4 engine? I want to see GM do that
Abe4racing 2 years ago
the camaros v6 is better technology. I know what the previous gen cobras run. I ran a gt500 at the track about 6 months ago. I have a 05 gto 385 rwhp I ran 12.62@ 110 1.8 60ft. he ran 12.78 @ 112 1.92 60ft. Once gm sees the profit from the new gen camaros the z 28 will hit the showroom. If you build a forged motor and run high boost its going to make big numbers that how you see 4 bangers making over 600hp. What everyone questions on the fords motor is the longevity not the ability to make power
mach2525 2 years ago
Are you by pure chance from Nevada dude, or California? because if you are I'd really love to race you, and tape it,because I know that GT0s stock can barely brake into the 12s. I'm in a car team, we have 3 cobras 1 GTO, 1 Mach 1, 2 Saleens, and 1 trans am. The GTO will never get close to my Cobra, and the GTO has a Cold air intake, so please do not tell me that you beat a GT500 with a 385hp GTO, please do not lie! Like i said, I really know what I'm talking about.
Abe4racing 2 years ago
lol kid.. i know you have a cold air and intake on your civic but sit down and relax here... 385 horsepower WAS AT THE REAR WHEELS. You do know there is a difference between flywheel and RWHP right?? LOL 385 at the wheels is near 500 at the crank. Thats more then enough to easily beat a stock gt500 PIG of a car.
You really have NO FUCKING CLUE WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT... your talking out of your ass and dont know shit..
ws6transam1971 2 years ago
Actually its about 430-440 at the crank. 500 is a bit extreme. A rwd car, that weighs as much as the camero wont have a loss of 120HP through the drive line. That would constitute a major fail on GM's part.
DaShnipa 2 years ago
are you kidding 385 at wheels and 500 at crank wow thats some serious drivetrain loss lol ya i think you have no idea what your talking about, and if GM is so great why are they goin under well ford is doing just fine
02stang951 2 years ago
fuck face did i say 385 at the wheels was 500 horsepower. i said it was NEAR 500 horsepower at the fly. if your going to "quote" atleast quote the entire thing. if you had a clue you'd know auto's have a higher drivetrain loss. do the math retard. 385 rwhp / .82 = 470hp at the fly, or NEAR 500.
thats 18% drivetrain loss which is the accepted amount for an auto 15% for a manual. get a fuckin clue asshole
ws6transam1971 2 years ago
wow someone has some anger problems lol
02stang951 2 years ago
only towards dumb ass you tube warriors.
ws6transam1971 2 years ago
where is everyone getting 500hp from???
colejjones 2 years ago
They're just getting mixed up. Chevy was considering a new z28 camaro with the Cadillac motor which produces 556 hp but i don't know if they're actually going through with it or not.
jaymcclure188 2 years ago
Yes, because GM outdid Ford for the last 15 years with a 30-35% more world market share of their products. Ford was too busy in the meantime recalling exploders and designing mustangs that always lacked the competitive horsepower to camaros and transams. GM is going downhill because they decided to stand up to the communists (called UAW) and this socialist country doesn't care about capitalism anymore so it bit them in the ass. Good luck trying to out do the 2010 Camaro Ford. lol you'll need it.
AuburnTA1984 2 years ago
why does this indoor feud even exist?
We all love muscle cars, whether they are from ford, chevrolet or dodge.
If we have to, we should be 'hating' on the yapanese or europe cars, not on our fellow muscle car brothren ;(
imnaro 2 years ago
DAMN STRAIGHT! Thanx for getting that out there! ;)
Camaros5678 2 years ago
i agree with you, i question why the heck it's happening, but marines dog on navy guys, gibson dogs on fender......it's just endless how people will narrow down groups just to make them feel special. I love all engines, how's that for equality?
viasevenvai 2 years ago
Mustang dogs on Camaro... Brunettes dog on Blondes... Penis vs Penis dog on Penis vs Vagina... all sorts of things.
MustangMarck 2 years ago
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Wojoray 2 years ago
and your a fuckin dick weed. next....
now i feel tough and smart... maybe ill go try for my Good Enough Diploma. was it a hard test , did you pass?
oh no!!!! i dont have youtube respect from you? holy shit.... well this will be my last post as i just cant continue to live without your youtube respect. goodbye cruel world!
lol get a life guy
ws6transam1971 2 years ago
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Wojoray 2 years ago
abe. according to automobilemag com and numerous other site the base price is 31-32k, you need to look that up. Im in az. Maybe you missed the part where I said 385 (((Rwhp))) which equates to 460-470 flywheel hp. listen man I'd be happy to race you if you ever come to az. I've been racing for over ten years now so I think I know what I'm talking about.
mach2525 2 years ago
fuck face you want to talk facts atleast know some you piece of shit. all ls1's made over 350 horsepower. The ls6 made 405 except for the first year. cobra r is a joke and limited production
LOL the supersnake with 725 horsepower? You mean the one that is sold without a warranty and costs 100 grand for a "cough" MUSTANG??? LOL!!!!! GM engines outclass ford... period. Even the supercharged gt couldnt beat the N/A Z06.
Kinda funny how GM's HUGE engines are smaller and lighter then ford modulars.
ws6transam1971 2 years ago
and if you had any fucking clue at all you would know as soon as you force feed a motor displacement doesnt really matter for PEAK dyno numbers. retards like you dont understand power under the curve so we wont discuss that with your simple mind.
GM's ecotec dragster makes over 1500 horsepower with 2L displacement. 725 out of a 5.4l is fucking pathetic by your logic now.
Also do you know how easy it is for lingenfelter to get 1000 horsepower out of the z06's? fords motors suck. get over it
ws6transam1971 2 years ago
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dillerious2 2 years ago
wtf he called me a redneck haha. your just a sad loser that likes shit stangs. if i liked shit stangs like you i would me mad to. i dont blame you for being mad mustang are wack and we all know it. thats all ford has is the poo stang.
nitrous818 2 years ago
Jerk, This competes with the mustang GT. The Z28 was supposed to compete with the cobra. And if this motor had a supercharger it would surpass your wimpy 371rwhp by 100 hp with the stock pulley.
norm8332 2 years ago
Acording to you, because that camaro's cost is closer to the GT500s, and the GT500 smokes the living shit out of that slow ass Camaro. The Camaro that has the price close to the Mustang GT is the V6 camaro, wich btw sucks the GTs nuts all day. Oh, and if Ford had a 6.0 litter engine it would make 50 more than any shitty ass Chevy motor. It has already been proven by Horse Power TV. a 427 Ford made over 80 more hp than a 427 Chevy's rat engine. The only way GM beats Ford is with bigger engines.
Abe4racing 2 years ago
you like to get your "facts" from hosepower tv dont you? lol... that show is ok for entertainment but dont take any of their results seriously... lol....
if ford had a 6 liter engine they would need a fucking mack truck to fit it in. Do you know how much bigger and heavier a 4.6l ford is to a 7L LS7? FUCKING PATHETIC.
ws6transam1971 2 years ago
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Wojoray 2 years ago
Hey GM....you did it again. Another Camaro vs Mustang debate. What the hell were you thinking in getting rid of the Camaro for a few years?
thughunter 2 years ago
good stuff!
Desstrik 2 years ago
i totally agree with chillaxin602. if u want to drive a import pos y dont u just go live there. imports= shit just go buy a domestic. the ls series motors are solid and proven powerhouses. i wish i could afford one
gachevy06 2 years ago
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oh gosh.. a chevy lover.. domestic=shit.. can you explain why the big 3 is going down and not the imports?? it's because the big 3 builds shit cars... open up your eyes and see the truth man.. get over yourself.. i'd buy a domestic car if they weren't so shitty.. maybe in the future if they actually start making better cars.. they should learn from the imports...
xobile187 2 years ago
workers expect american wages but dont want to pay top dollar for american cars so they end up buying cheaper foreign cars such as honda's or nissans.
chillaxin602 2 years ago
haha.. foreign cars are cheap? what world are you living in? they are the best cars around.. if you want quality and reliability... go foreign.. if you want a high horsepower, gas guzzling, pos.. buy domestic..
xobile187 2 years ago
yeah i know bud. i own a nissan myself. i meant that its cheaper to own a foreign car.
chillaxin602 2 years ago
aw.. ok..
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horseluvr1056 2 years ago
Those numbers look good to me stock!! That is just about perfect! Some people will be happy with that much power! That will feel pretty good on a test drive!
Glad to see the Mustang has got his old rival back in action! No matter which car you choose, the Mustang and Camaro are brothers! I wonder if Pontiac will borrow the Camaro Chassis for a new Trans Am later?
S197V6TT 2 years ago
I would hope GM would take the New Camaro chassis and make a sister car such as the Firebird like they used to.
Because if GM wants to pull itself out of the deep ass hole their in they need the New Camaro and possibly a New Firebird to do well and so far the Camaro is getting a lot of attention, the Firebird would only add to it and thats what they need. GM, Just give us an affordable, good looking V8 RWD performance car, with a manual transmission and we'll be happy.
sa1911a1 2 years ago
they did the same thing a few years back its not going to help wat they need is reliability and something that the american public would few as better looking than a stang thats the biggest money maker
bruceleeroy599 2 years ago
So far thats what GM has been doing with the New Camaro, It has the LS series engine which is rock solid. The rest we will see, hopefully GM learned from past models weak points. The new Camaro looks better than the new Mustang with the facelift, the 2005 style Mustangs looked better than the new ones. People love the look of the new Camaro, hopefully GM will see the potential and revive the Firebird and it's history in a new version.
sa1911a1 2 years ago
ya wld be he fir one in line for a new firebird
bruceleeroy599 2 years ago
camaro ss is the best man
hazimhct 2 years ago
GM Siempre apantallando! pero a los incautos!!... de que le sirven esos Hp, si pesa demasiado, Finalmente saliendo de la Agencia haran practicamente el mismo tiempo en envión con el GT 2010.
Frenos: Frena Mejor el GT2010
Curva: Sostiene mas G's el GT
Lean las Mag Compare!
Ya ni se diga un Snake o Special Edit.
Ford!!
aleyom 2 years ago
exelente camaro igual q todos los q han existido .................el burrustang no sirve ajajajajaj
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qwetuiopashjklmbnvcx 2 years ago
man they should make SLP version of this with more power by installing S/C or bigger head's and other staff,at least it can be compared with srt8 challenger and gt500 shelby
we want the ZL1 beast back
hazimhct 2 years ago
the auto already beats the srt8 in horses. a stock heavy ace srt8 makes 1 less horse at the crank weighs 100 more lbs. Now the the gt500 is a different story.
Hellz Yeah we want a 600 horse Camaro
jrdrag3505 2 years ago
the arguments on here crack me up... im a ford guy but you gotta respect a nice car and good power...fords might have smalled motors and less power but are very quick cars...gm just uses brute displacement and power from the LS series and even though they are great motors and make great power...its and old design..still though..GM or Ford...still better than imports
onefastford88 2 years ago
couldn't have said any better!!
Ford/GM for the win!!
triplet85 2 years ago
the old camaro SS looks a thousand times better man
bertenerniee 2 years ago
have any of you seen the horrible stock exhaust on these? once thats ripped off, headers + Y + catback, these will see 50+whp gains. just look @ what the LS3 vettes get, and their exhaust is decent.
canespride83 2 years ago
I coulda swore watching a GM tech video describing it as "True Dual Exhaust"
gizthegizzygizmo 2 years ago
myabe because it has 2 tips? idk what they said in the video, so show it to me and ill check it out. trust me though, having seen one in person, the exhaust on these is pretty damn restrictive.
canespride83 2 years ago
That car sounds really weak, but I'm used to race cars...I like the look alot though.
fatracing20 2 years ago
it's a sleeper, lol, 13 sec 1/4, im not impressed, that's what the 02 Camaros and Trans Am's were running. Still it's pretty decent and far better looking.
porsche41 2 years ago
dude only skilled driver and SS camaro 6m ran 12.9. SS auto and T/A were 13.6 cars all day and Zs were around 13.8. your getting the new SS times from magazine videos. new SS camaro probably can hit mid 12s with 6m. but look at the auto its doing 13.1 consistently try that in a mustang auto.
midnightZLS1 2 years ago
ive seen a 06 Mustang GT auto do 13.6 1/4 mile and what does it have oh ya 300 horse at the flywheel beat that
feleja15 2 years ago
show me a auto 06 mustang GT ran 13.6 completely stock lol. thay make 245rwhp lol. the auto LS1 camaro did that in 02 with 300rwhp. the auto 02 mustang GT lol made 225rwhp and did 14.7 1/4. the V6 camaro faster than that lol.
midnightZLS1 2 years ago
Where are you getting your info from? Stock GTs dyno around 270-280rwhp FYI. Mine ran a 13.5 at 103 bone stock with 500mi on the car. Laugh all you want...to the more knowing car guys on youtube...you sound like a moron. Do some research before you post instead of reading some car and driver magazine. The LS1 has a great motor....Chevy did it right....but come one kid...lets get real on the numbers.
JarrodGT 2 years ago
about time someone knows what they talking about
feleja15 2 years ago
Funny you should be talking about Magazines...since thats where you got the Mustangs numbers lol. Honestly educate yourself. Justin Burcham was running low 13s with his bone stock 05 GT. Look it up. Last time I checked I didnt see any 05 and up Z's or T/A's running around...why? Because the Mullet went out of style, so the car got cut just like the Mullet.
JarrodGT 2 years ago