i recently read up on this topic, found out that kathak actually originated in Taxila, ancient india... which is now in modern day Pakistan.... but i still don't know whether it's related to hinduism or if it's just a dance form...can someone give me more info on this...i get confused between this and the other styles e.g. bharatanatyam etc
The word kathak comes from the sanskrit word katha which means story / narrative. Originally this dance was performed with the raas leela thus creating a dance narrative of the love story of Radha and Krishna. It was a folk dance form which evolved into classical dance.
awesome, is kathak related to hinduism... i mean do the moves / steps have religious significance, or is it just purely a form of art?? my fav is kathak.... it's awesome
@sheru7meraa7naam some stories like of mahabharata n krishna is told by kathak! now it depends what u classify as related with hinduism, hinduism touches almost every aspect of indian culture, like drama, dance, litreature, arts, philosophy, names etc!!
Where can I find this song? Does anyone know? It's so beautiful. What genre of music is this (i.e. Hindustani from Madhya Pradesh, Islamic music from ustaads, or Kashmiri Hindu devotional)?
wow ..... ive been learning kathak since i was 4 & now im 12 . Now i understand the true beauty of dance. lve always loved kathak , am loving kathak & will always love it
please,if anybody can help me I would be sooo grateful..I am interested in professional Indian dance school..Can sby tell how can you join them as a foreign person? Please,every information is extremely important.Tnx!;)
people are so rude sometimes, talking all the way through this performance. with this being London, i would have thought people would have had the good manners to stay completely silent therefore enabling the dancer to concentrate completely on the dance and music.
apart from that, this performance was beautiful and the dancer coped well under all the added pressure and distraction from the rude audience.
@graphixgen: if ýou want to see more skillful kathak type in Sandip Mallick, he's an awesome dancer, very expressive with perfectly mastered technique.
Very nice dance, but the skirt should have been a little shorter (a little above the Ghungroos) so that the people could appreciate the dancer's footwork. Anyway, very nice attempt.
Continued part 4. I do not think that Kathak dancers came to Spain with the Muslim invasion, but later. They may have come via Egypt. The word Gitanos means Egyptian. Yet it is well know that the language of the Gypsies is heavy with Hindi words. When I see a flamenco dancer, hair combed back and caugh in a bun decorated with a flower, I see an Indian woman. She may not be wearing a veil on her head, but she does have a scarf around her shoulders. Her big earings are also so Indian. Agree?
Yes you are right. Kathak dancers from India are supposed to have traveled to Spain and settled there. Flamenco was born with heavy Kathak influence.
On a side note, the amount of influence that different parts of the world have on each other makes the world seem a lot smaller doesn't it? Kind of makes all this fighting seem irrelevant:)
continued part 3. One can know that Kathak and flamenco are related by looking at the elements that are similarin the dance.The clapping and keeping the rhythm cycles. A lot of the footwork is very similar. The dance is done in composed segments that end in a pose. The hand movements curling about the danceer. The story element that is sung and interpreted by the dancer. The types of turns are similar. The way the head snaps from side to side, I could go on and on.
@rannajim Agreed! It is more than just a rumor that these 2 styles may be share some roots. They share so many similarities in the dancing technique and style, it would be only fair to assume they share roots somewhere in their history.
The silk roads and the salt roads brought goods, inventions and culture from the east through ME to Europe even during the Roman times. When and how the gypsies brough Kathak to Spain was never documented and is mostly speculation. The greatest expulsion of musicians and dancers recorded in Indian history was during the reign of the Mughal emperor Aurengazeb 1658-1707. He exiled court musicians and dancers and forbade the nobles from patronizing them. Where did they all go? Whoknows. Continued.
Kathak (Hindi: कथक, Urdu: کتھک) is one of the eight forms of Indian classical dances, originated from northern India. This dance form traces its origins to the nomadic bards of ancient northern India, known as Kathaks, or storytellers.
----- I have seen Gypsy Kathak and Flamenco and there is definitely a connection these dance forms. Gypsy predates the other forms and probably was and influence on the other dance styles.
Also, Kathak didn't exist in India at the time when the Gypsies left. So again, Flamenco isn't derived from Kathak, however, both forms originated from Persian dance (during different time periods and places)
You should do some more reading. Kathak originated at least 2,000 years ago in North India. It was originally performed in Hindu temples, until the Islamic invasion influenced the costume and music. Kathak itself is derived from a Sanksrit word, not Persian. The Romani people left India way after Kathak first began, so it's possible they took the dance with them.
Flamenco and Kathak share similarities not just in the appearance, but also the movements, counting, and some technique.
@CrazyNative4: I live not far from this area and dances of the gypsies here are different. I heard flamenco has some Persian or Arabic influences so central Europe has probably not played any role in its creation. Anyway, this kathak performance is great! I learn kathak and watch it every week to get my eyes used to fluent kathak moves. Thanks, Archita!
idk who gave ur comment a negative rating but if they did their homework they would know that flamenco and other forms of romani music all have origins within northern india, coming from a person who plays both flamenco guitar and sitar i have studied the genre enough to tell you your obsrervation is accurate.
Thanks. People are always going on about how flamenco derived from Arabic dance. They are so dissimilar as to have almost nothing to do with each other. The hallmark of flamenco is in the intricate footwork & hand & arm movements - as is with Kathak. There are little to no isolated pelvic movements. The hallmark or Arabic dance is isolated pelvic movements with little to no footwork. Could go on & on, head movements & postures of Kathak & flamenco, the fast staccato movements, etc..
@Louviah A Spanish Gypsy has since said to me that everyone is taking credit for flamenco but no one is crediting the Spanish Gypsies. Flamenco is a dance of the Spanish Gypsies & very distinctive in it's own right.
I wish I knew more about dance forms to follow up on that, but Arabic music has had its share of influence on Flamenco movement, see the music traveled from India with Gypsies across mid-asia, middle east all the way to europe and ending up in Span. You should check out the "Zambra" flamenco style if your interested in hearing the arabic influence in the music, i think its very cool
@MasterOfAPuppet89 Arabic music did influence Spanish music without a doubt. Even the early music from the rest of western Europe was influenced by Arabic music. Most musical instruments & all stringed instruments were invented by Arabs, including the early prototype of the harpsichord & bagpipes.
Other flamenco n whirling dervish dancing is similar to kathak dance, china (in xinjiang muslim state) n central asia also has dance similar to kathak they call uygur dance see this video watch?v=dcUXdDkadsI n also egypt they call the "tanoora dance" see this watch?v=e6zQ3uYaqg0
Kathak has many persian influence, the gypsies never brought kathak to spain, if they brought why some gypsies dance in europe dont look like kathak? Actualy Flamenco dance is founded by persian slave who live in spain when islamic civilization in spain, 1 of the most famous persian slave who be the famous spain musician is Ziryab.. Persian slave mix with arab, gypsy n native spanish people n made 1 beautiful genre music n dance in spain
Indian people also migrated to Spain during the middle-ages when Muslims invaded India. They bought their Kathak dance with them. (The Umayyads in Spain were very tolerant unlike the Muslim invaders elsewhere. El Andalus was a becon of light in a dark time & attracted people from many places).
^Both of you are close, but still wrong. The gypsies didn't bring Kathak from India. Kathak (Indian) and Flamenco (Spain) were both derived from Persian and other Central Asian dances. With the spread of the Mughal Empire to India, Persian dance spread to the region and Kathak was formed. Likewise, when the Indian Gypsies left India, they picked up on Persian dance (since they passed through that region), which is how Flamenco came about.
What is the name of the Persian dance that these people derived Kathak from? Is Kathak a Persian word? I can find no Persian dance with this name. Is it possible to refer me to an example of this Persian dance? One can view the Indian Kathak dance & view the similarities between it & flamenco. Since Indian people settled in Spain & they do a dance very similar to flamenco, we are able to see a direct correlation. Can the same be said of this Persian dance?
The Indian migration to Spain occurred during the 11th through the 15th centuries, long before the Islamic invasion. By the time the 16th century arrived, Spain had been expelling it's non-Christian population,since the later part of the 15th century, so the influence of the Islamic presence in India would not have been felt there.
Islam invasion in India started during the 12th century, it didn't affect Kathak until the 16th and onwards. So even early on when the gypsies were leaving India, the invasion had already begun.
Spain was once ruled by Muslims too, hence the old masjids (mosques) in Spain. The Romani gypsies traveled from India all the way up into Spain (11th century onwards). It is likely that the Romani took Kathak with them.
Kathak and other Persian dances may have changed along the way until it got to Spain, forming Flamenco. There are many similarities between the 2 dance forms.
The Muslim rulers in Spain were Arabs not Persians. Arabic dance is very different from flamenco. By the time of the Islamic invasion of India in the 16th century, Spain had already been expelling it's non-Christian population since the later half of the 15th century, so the influence of the Islamic invasion of India would not have been felt there.
They were not Arabs either, but a mix of different Islamic ethnicities: "The majority of the Army as well as commander Tariq himself were not Arab but Islamic Berbers, and in time Islamic migrants from places as diverse as North Africa to Yemen and Syria..."
As I said before, Islam invaded India in the 12th century (and they were visiting India as early as the 7th c.). I'm not sure where you are getting your information from...
The Berbers were conquered by the Arabs & were/are Arabic speaking. They were influenced by their Egyptian neighbors & their dances reflect this.
I was referring to the Mughals who invaded northern India in 1526. It was they who were said to have bought Persian influence to Kathak dance, which by this time, migration of Indians to Spain had already ceased.
Don't forget that Kathak is not an Islamic dance, it existed longgg before the Islamic invasion. Long before the gypsies started leaving India. So Flamenco could have very well been influenced by some Romani along the way, its a possibility.
I realize that Kathak is one of several ancient dances of India. Flamenco was first a Gypsy dance in Spain. It wasn't recognized as a dance form by the general public until late 18th century.
this is the first kathak video I saw, and is still my favourite. because of this video I started learning kathak myself and I'm completely in love with it for almost a year now:) thank you.
Wasn't Madhuri Dixit(Hindi film actress of the early 90's) a trained Kathak dancer? Sometimes in some of her dance scenes she uses Kathak hand movements.
And what's up with sujeet's weird kneejerk nationalism? Of course Kathak is Persian in origin (with the straight-leg style of dances and the chakkars) - so much of North Indian culture is, from language (Urdu) to painting (miniatures). You might want to accept historical reality rather than embarrassing yourself. Pushpanjali knows what she is talking about
haha i totally agree...and i never understand why people feel the need to bring up elements of history that they KNOW will spark so-called debates on youtube that are just based on ignorance and hate.
Iodine999, I'm as far from an Indian nationalist as you can get, and am actually a Persophile, but please show me the Persian dance on which Kathak is hypothetically based. Or even any Turkic dance on which Kathak may be based (given that the Mughal dynasty was founded by a Turk). Believe me I've looked and found none.
Is it not most logical to conclude that Kathak may be a dance developed in India under Mughal and later Awadhi patronage?
Kathak is purely Indian and Hindu in origin which was performed in temples to tell a story( Katha hence the name kathak). When Moghuls came all the music and dance that was performed in temples moved to Darbar. The music became non devotional. There is definitely Arab and Persian influence in Indian music.But the basic skeliton is purely Indian.
You mean the basic skeleton is purely Hindu? Or purely ancient-Indian? Saying that it's purely Indian seems to say that Indian=Hindu. I really hope you're not saying that.
Yes. It is Hindu. Ancient Indian art(music dance and sculpting) is very tightly coupled to religion and praising the Lord or depicting the stories around the various Avatars. When you say Persian or Arab do you mean Islam or even the life style they followed prior to Islam?
To answer your question, when we say Arab or Persian it usually means Islamic (unless it's pre-Islamic) because Arab states are religious states (unlike India which is secular) and because the population of non-Muslims is not significantly high and are recent migrants (again unlike India). Thank you for the correction though. :) God bless!
Let's not conflate Arab and Persian here. We are talking about two distinct cultures. And the Mughals were influenced by Persian culture, not Arab. So whatever influence was brought into Kathak was mostly Persian and Turkic.
I honestly don't know how much truth there is to the idea that kathak originated in temples. After all, even pre-Islamic Indian rulers had court dancers.
Oh and your comment about North Indians and classical music is completely uncalled for.
Fine about Persian or Turkic. But Indian classical music and dance definitely had its origins in the temple. True HIndu Kings also had them perform but it was mostly devotional in intent. When Moghuls came devotional part was removed and it was mainly darbari music and dance.About NOrth Indian's interst in classical music is just not my opinion, it was expressed by major artists. It is logical to deduce the reason.
Yeah i believe your right. Kathak originated from temples and it was probably quite similar to bharathanatyam. Sources tell me that Carnatic music and Bharathanatyam are the purest forms of music and dance. By purest i mean purely indian - like tamil i suppose (without any influences).
Kathak did originate in Hindu Temples. Katha means "story" and Kathakas are those who tell the stories. It was later influenced by the Mughals, so yes there is a Persian influence in Kathak. You can tell by the angrakha (long dress) costume. But for religious Hindu dances/songs a different costume is worn, the ghagra-choli. All you have to do is read a little to find out more.
You're right, North Indians definitely DO appreciate classical music.
The Mughal influence on it is only in terms of their encouragement of this dance forms. Otherwise the music, the movements are all Indian in origin. There is no parallel to any of them in any thing outside India. And to any one who reads this lets go easy on this north Indian , south Indian thing. Ok brothers? There is only one India.
There is no need to be afraid to accept the truth. Indian classiacal music and dance originated way before the Moghuls came. When Moghuls came some persian and Arab influenc also came and enriched the music. But the down side is it went away from the temples which was available to common folks. It went to the Darbars where only nobilty could enjoy.That is why common man in the north has no appreciation for classical music and dance compared to South.
I agree with you that it originated in the temples as was chiefly devotional in intent.
I disagree that the common North Indian person does not enjoy classical music, but yes, they are not generally fond of classcial dance. In any case it's a shame.
kathak is not persian in origin certin schools of kathak is strongly influenced by persian dance, kathak originated in hindu temples and was patronized by the mughal rulers thats how it received its persian influence, just like hindustani music has its origins in the sama vedas but was strongly influenced by the persian music and for the record I am in no way a nationalist.
what's striking to me about this - aside from the amazing dance, of course - is the amount of people rudely talking during the performance. I hate it when Indian audiences do this in public, and I've encountered such casual disregard for etiquette in movie theaters, dance performances, pujas - anywhere Indians are gathered, basically. it's aggravating as hell, and denotes a lack of respect for the performer. spare me the "you're racist" crap - since I'm Indian in background as well!
you're right!! but here in holland, rotterdam, there is only one guru (that i know) which could me teach kathak and/or other dances. but i will be late for lessons if i follow the lessons in rotterdam, andmy mother wouldn't allow me to go to other places (she doesn't have time to bring me)....well, i'm hoping to get another timetable soon!!
(i wish i could make time for it but school is necessairy :( and 'more important')
I am Emon from Bangladesh. I am also a kathak dancer and learning kathak from my 'Guru'. My teacher is direct student of Pt.Birju Maharaj. I know this 'tarana' but unfortunately i lost this record. anyone can send me this record???
please it will then very helpful for me for learning kathak more accurately...
How does she get her tika to stay on??? I would love to know. lol She is such a wonderful dancer! And I agree that this is the best kathak video on here.
You could try pinning your tika down with a hair pin right at the base of your hairline. Also, some dancers put nail polish under their tika (onto their forehead) to keep it down. I am not sure what Archita does, but whatever it is, it works!
@swapte If the Tika has a flat back, the nail polish will work. If it has a hollow back, try pinning it close to your forehead. Pin at the top of your head as well, but also close to your forehead. If you can get a Tika that has a flat back, use a lot of clear nail polish. Hold it down for awhile, then it should be fine. The flat back Tikas are the only ones that will really stay.
Spirit gum is the best. Any theatrical store will have it or order it online. Especially for Kathak, you need something strong and nail polish isn't enough. Hope that helps.
@swapte try eyelash glue, the stuff that you get with fake eyelashes. the tikka will move around while you dance, don't worry about that. as long as it doesn't come off, it should not be a problem.
This is probably the best dance video on youtube (for me). How amazing! Is Archit Kumar famous or is she simply a sutdent? Amazing. I've seen her other videos. This dance form is awesome, and it shows that indian women are not subservient to the men, since both men/women are in the audience. Other dance forms of the region implies that owmen are to serve men, but not this one.
Kathak was passed down through the courts of India, where it was performed for entertainment as well as story-telling. That may be what you are referring to, but in modern times classical Indian dance has nothing to do with "serving" anyone. The dancer dances for her/himself, and God as well.
this is a most beautiful dance portrayal of Kalavati Tarana. Thumbs up to the dancer.
Can anyone give the following information on this music please. Music title; music artist; distributor; copyright year; publishser and manufacturer.
asmrin 6 months ago
i recently read up on this topic, found out that kathak actually originated in Taxila, ancient india... which is now in modern day Pakistan.... but i still don't know whether it's related to hinduism or if it's just a dance form...can someone give me more info on this...i get confused between this and the other styles e.g. bharatanatyam etc
sheru7mera7naam007 8 months ago
@sheru7mera7naam007
The word kathak comes from the sanskrit word katha which means story / narrative. Originally this dance was performed with the raas leela thus creating a dance narrative of the love story of Radha and Krishna. It was a folk dance form which evolved into classical dance.
swamykool 8 months ago
ok kool i didn 't know that, thanks for the info
sheru7mera7naam007 8 months ago
@sheru7mera7naam007 actually kathak originated in uttar pradesh...
CriterionCoIIection 7 months ago
@CriterionCoIIection ok thanks for the info... the link below said it was Taxila, i don't really know much about this topic so i assumed otherwise:
excal.on.ca/arts/dance-and-culture-serve-a-noble-cause
sheru7mera7naam007 7 months ago
awesome, is kathak related to hinduism... i mean do the moves / steps have religious significance, or is it just purely a form of art?? my fav is kathak.... it's awesome
sheru7meraa7naam 8 months ago
@sheru7meraa7naam some stories like of mahabharata n krishna is told by kathak! now it depends what u classify as related with hinduism, hinduism touches almost every aspect of indian culture, like drama, dance, litreature, arts, philosophy, names etc!!
ajitseq 6 months ago
beautiful
manesiro 10 months ago
Where can I find this song? Does anyone know? It's so beautiful. What genre of music is this (i.e. Hindustani from Madhya Pradesh, Islamic music from ustaads, or Kashmiri Hindu devotional)?
MonogrammedMarxist 10 months ago
wow ..... ive been learning kathak since i was 4 & now im 12 . Now i understand the true beauty of dance. lve always loved kathak , am loving kathak & will always love it
newcreate3 10 months ago
oh my i learned this dance. beautiful.
Elenia25 10 months ago 4
please,if anybody can help me I would be sooo grateful..I am interested in professional Indian dance school..Can sby tell how can you join them as a foreign person? Please,every information is extremely important.Tnx!;)
CuteSista1 1 year ago
23 lame people looked at this video
therapeutics23 1 year ago
very nice performance
deep352 1 year ago
Very nice...
have a look at this too:
engrsandeep 1 year ago
people are so rude sometimes, talking all the way through this performance. with this being London, i would have thought people would have had the good manners to stay completely silent therefore enabling the dancer to concentrate completely on the dance and music.
apart from that, this performance was beautiful and the dancer coped well under all the added pressure and distraction from the rude audience.
imali2k 1 year ago
hey, this is really good, except try to smile a little more!! (:
crazydaisy00 1 year ago
hey, this is realy good, except try to smile a little more!! (:
crazydaisy00 1 year ago
hey luvin ur dance... im learnin the same tarana but with different choreogragraphy... could you email me the mp3? thanks
Shyam
master20939 1 year ago
Simply superb dance
psrk3 1 year ago
Simply superb dance
psrk3 1 year ago
Simply superb dance
psrk3 1 year ago
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absolutely beautiful, i know little of kathak but this white boy from canada gets goose flesh and tears when i witness such beauty.
oo7tease 1 year ago
absolutely beautiful, i know little of kathak but this white boy from canada gets goose flesh and tears when i witness such beauty
oo7tease 1 year ago
I love reading the comments of this video
xparox 1 year ago
સરસ બહુજ સરસ...
મારી ઓરકુટ ફ્રેન્ડ ...
આટલું સરસ કથક ડાન્સ કરે છે.
તે જોઈન આનંદ અને ખુશી થઇ.
અને ગૌરવ પણ ..
આભાર.
omketul 1 year ago
સરસ બહુજ સરસ...
મારી ઓરકુટ ફ્રેન્ડ ...
આટલું સરસ કથક ડાન્સ કરે છે.
તે જોઈન આનંદ અને ખુશી થઇ.
અને ગૌરવ પણ ..
આભાર.
omketul 1 year ago
સરસ બહુજ સરસ...
મારી ઓરકુટ ફ્રેન્ડ ...
આટલું સરસ કથક ડાન્સ કરે છે.
તે જોઈન આનંદ અને ખુશી થઇ.
અને ગૌરવ પણ ..
આભાર.
omketul 1 year ago
સરસ બહુજ સરસ...
મારી ઓરકુટ ફ્રેન્ડ ...
આટલું સરસ કથક ડાન્સ કરે છે.
તે જોઈન આનંદ અને ખુશી થઇ.
અને ગૌરવ પણ ..
આભાર.
omketul 1 year ago
It is Great.Am Bengali from East watching
mahboob1948 1 year ago
what is the title of this music?I'd like to get it for my dance performance because its so beautiful and your dancing is absolutely wonderful.
Musicismysoul06 1 year ago
@Musicismysoul06 it is called 'Kalavati Tarana'
master20939 1 year ago
very nice....but just be a little more energetic...
btw m also a kathak dancer :)
medgr8o2 1 year ago
wow
skoty9999n 1 year ago
very gracefull :) loved it
DesigirlmalayaleeNY 1 year ago
Fantastic! Beyond words! Please keep up the good work! Do you perform in Delhi? If so, please let know. Thanks
ranj72 1 year ago
this is my favourite style-love kathak..very elegant and graceful.awesome dance and choreography...mesmerizing..just wonderful!;)
CuteSista1 1 year ago
Hello,
I absolutely loved your dance. You're graceful. :)
Just try to keep your hands in level with your shoulder while you take rounds, but that's just my view.
Which gharana are you from?
I am a kathak dancer myself. :)
<3
Mrignayani 1 year ago
absolutely amazing performance, havent seen such skillful kathak in years
graphixgen 1 year ago
@graphixgen: if ýou want to see more skillful kathak type in Sandip Mallick, he's an awesome dancer, very expressive with perfectly mastered technique.
MartaEzis 1 year ago
good job
tameem1130 1 year ago
She turns perfectly, and comes out of the turn at just the right moment to catch the taal. Kalavati is a great choice for this too!
talibsa 1 year ago
I am a beginner in kathak, and this is inspiring. Thank you for showing this to us!
LaninaGilhi 1 year ago
URGENT: Can you tell me which CD this music is from and the name of the piece? The artist name and also where can I find it?
Thank you in advance.
andrilachakrabarti 1 year ago
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Beautiful costume and dancing!
MelJE89 1 year ago
Beautiful costume and dancing!
MelJE89 1 year ago
Very nice dance, but the skirt should have been a little shorter (a little above the Ghungroos) so that the people could appreciate the dancer's footwork. Anyway, very nice attempt.
peacealways100 1 year ago
Damn love her turns...she don't get dizzy...I try but I get too dizzy..Lvoe it...beautiful..!
hnubntsavaj 1 year ago 3
Continued part 4. I do not think that Kathak dancers came to Spain with the Muslim invasion, but later. They may have come via Egypt. The word Gitanos means Egyptian. Yet it is well know that the language of the Gypsies is heavy with Hindi words. When I see a flamenco dancer, hair combed back and caugh in a bun decorated with a flower, I see an Indian woman. She may not be wearing a veil on her head, but she does have a scarf around her shoulders. Her big earings are also so Indian. Agree?
rannajim 1 year ago 2
@rannajim
Yes you are right. Kathak dancers from India are supposed to have traveled to Spain and settled there. Flamenco was born with heavy Kathak influence.
On a side note, the amount of influence that different parts of the world have on each other makes the world seem a lot smaller doesn't it? Kind of makes all this fighting seem irrelevant:)
peacealways100 1 year ago
continued part 3. One can know that Kathak and flamenco are related by looking at the elements that are similarin the dance.The clapping and keeping the rhythm cycles. A lot of the footwork is very similar. The dance is done in composed segments that end in a pose. The hand movements curling about the danceer. The story element that is sung and interpreted by the dancer. The types of turns are similar. The way the head snaps from side to side, I could go on and on.
rannajim 1 year ago
@rannajim Agreed! It is more than just a rumor that these 2 styles may be share some roots. They share so many similarities in the dancing technique and style, it would be only fair to assume they share roots somewhere in their history.
pushpanjali 1 year ago
Continued. part 2. It was not folk dancers or the dancers from the bazaars that were expelled. But highly trained court dancerss and musicians.
rannajim 1 year ago
The silk roads and the salt roads brought goods, inventions and culture from the east through ME to Europe even during the Roman times. When and how the gypsies brough Kathak to Spain was never documented and is mostly speculation. The greatest expulsion of musicians and dancers recorded in Indian history was during the reign of the Mughal emperor Aurengazeb 1658-1707. He exiled court musicians and dancers and forbade the nobles from patronizing them. Where did they all go? Whoknows. Continued.
rannajim 1 year ago
from Winkipedia
Kathak (Hindi: कथक, Urdu: کتھک) is one of the eight forms of Indian classical dances, originated from northern India. This dance form traces its origins to the nomadic bards of ancient northern India, known as Kathaks, or storytellers.
----- I have seen Gypsy Kathak and Flamenco and there is definitely a connection these dance forms. Gypsy predates the other forms and probably was and influence on the other dance styles.
jshsitar 1 year ago
Also, Kathak didn't exist in India at the time when the Gypsies left. So again, Flamenco isn't derived from Kathak, however, both forms originated from Persian dance (during different time periods and places)
SuperhumanChichi 1 year ago
You should do some more reading. Kathak originated at least 2,000 years ago in North India. It was originally performed in Hindu temples, until the Islamic invasion influenced the costume and music. Kathak itself is derived from a Sanksrit word, not Persian. The Romani people left India way after Kathak first began, so it's possible they took the dance with them.
Flamenco and Kathak share similarities not just in the appearance, but also the movements, counting, and some technique.
pushpanjali 1 year ago
someone told me the flemenco dances originally came from the gypsies maybe from hungary or romania, or some place like that
CrazyNative4 2 years ago
@CrazyNative4: I live not far from this area and dances of the gypsies here are different. I heard flamenco has some Persian or Arabic influences so central Europe has probably not played any role in its creation. Anyway, this kathak performance is great! I learn kathak and watch it every week to get my eyes used to fluent kathak moves. Thanks, Archita!
MartaEzis 2 years ago
Flamenco most resembles this type of dance; the similarities are quite striking.
mmedefarge 2 years ago
idk who gave ur comment a negative rating but if they did their homework they would know that flamenco and other forms of romani music all have origins within northern india, coming from a person who plays both flamenco guitar and sitar i have studied the genre enough to tell you your obsrervation is accurate.
MasterOfAPuppet89 2 years ago
Thanks. People are always going on about how flamenco derived from Arabic dance. They are so dissimilar as to have almost nothing to do with each other. The hallmark of flamenco is in the intricate footwork & hand & arm movements - as is with Kathak. There are little to no isolated pelvic movements. The hallmark or Arabic dance is isolated pelvic movements with little to no footwork. Could go on & on, head movements & postures of Kathak & flamenco, the fast staccato movements, etc..
mmedefarge 2 years ago 9
@mmedefarge
but indian dance influenced in arabic dance too and arabic dance had many styles... flamenco appeared later
mmm... i think that isn't so easy
Louviah 1 year ago
@Louviah A Spanish Gypsy has since said to me that everyone is taking credit for flamenco but no one is crediting the Spanish Gypsies. Flamenco is a dance of the Spanish Gypsies & very distinctive in it's own right.
mmedefarge 1 year ago
I wish I knew more about dance forms to follow up on that, but Arabic music has had its share of influence on Flamenco movement, see the music traveled from India with Gypsies across mid-asia, middle east all the way to europe and ending up in Span. You should check out the "Zambra" flamenco style if your interested in hearing the arabic influence in the music, i think its very cool
MasterOfAPuppet89 1 year ago
@MasterOfAPuppet89 Arabic music did influence Spanish music without a doubt. Even the early music from the rest of western Europe was influenced by Arabic music. Most musical instruments & all stringed instruments were invented by Arabs, including the early prototype of the harpsichord & bagpipes.
mmedefarge 1 year ago
bravo!!!!!! ur performance brought tears in my eyes!!!! \o/
sinclules 2 years ago
The move at 3:00 had so much power in it!
Existantia 2 years ago 2
Absolutely in awe of your performance and the style is purely sublime and superlative. Keep up the good work...
P.S: Am also a Kathak dancer!!
neerajsolanki81 2 years ago 4
neeraj that means a lot coming from a kathak dancer. thanks very much for the encouragement. i wish you all the best also. :)
zcsay45 2 years ago
Other flamenco n whirling dervish dancing is similar to kathak dance, china (in xinjiang muslim state) n central asia also has dance similar to kathak they call uygur dance see this video watch?v=dcUXdDkadsI n also egypt they call the "tanoora dance" see this watch?v=e6zQ3uYaqg0
TeaCarTeaKey 2 years ago
uygurs arent chinese, sorry. They live there.
Anyway, interesting remark
GalinaMora 2 years ago
Yes uyghur not chinese, the uygur want independnce from china.. The han is chinese... FUCKING HAN CHINESE
TeaCarTeaKey 2 years ago
Kathak has many persian influence, the gypsies never brought kathak to spain, if they brought why some gypsies dance in europe dont look like kathak? Actualy Flamenco dance is founded by persian slave who live in spain when islamic civilization in spain, 1 of the most famous persian slave who be the famous spain musician is Ziryab.. Persian slave mix with arab, gypsy n native spanish people n made 1 beautiful genre music n dance in spain
TeaCarTeaKey 2 years ago
Indian people also migrated to Spain during the middle-ages when Muslims invaded India. They bought their Kathak dance with them. (The Umayyads in Spain were very tolerant unlike the Muslim invaders elsewhere. El Andalus was a becon of light in a dark time & attracted people from many places).
mmedefarge 2 years ago
@ mmedefarge
@ MasterOfAPuppet89
^Both of you are close, but still wrong. The gypsies didn't bring Kathak from India. Kathak (Indian) and Flamenco (Spain) were both derived from Persian and other Central Asian dances. With the spread of the Mughal Empire to India, Persian dance spread to the region and Kathak was formed. Likewise, when the Indian Gypsies left India, they picked up on Persian dance (since they passed through that region), which is how Flamenco came about.
SuperhumanChichi 1 year ago
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mmedefarge 1 year ago
What is the name of the Persian dance that these people derived Kathak from? Is Kathak a Persian word? I can find no Persian dance with this name. Is it possible to refer me to an example of this Persian dance? One can view the Indian Kathak dance & view the similarities between it & flamenco. Since Indian people settled in Spain & they do a dance very similar to flamenco, we are able to see a direct correlation. Can the same be said of this Persian dance?
mmedefarge 1 year ago
Kathak comes from the Sanskrit word "Katha" meaning 'storyteller'. Kathak was heavily influenced by the Islamic invasion (16th century onwards).
Kathak originated from N. India, it existed BEFORE the Islamic invasion because it was originally a dance telling Hindu stories.
pushpanjali 1 year ago 2
The Indian migration to Spain occurred during the 11th through the 15th centuries, long before the Islamic invasion. By the time the 16th century arrived, Spain had been expelling it's non-Christian population,since the later part of the 15th century, so the influence of the Islamic presence in India would not have been felt there.
mmedefarge 1 year ago
Islam invasion in India started during the 12th century, it didn't affect Kathak until the 16th and onwards. So even early on when the gypsies were leaving India, the invasion had already begun.
pushpanjali 1 year ago
Spain was once ruled by Muslims too, hence the old masjids (mosques) in Spain. The Romani gypsies traveled from India all the way up into Spain (11th century onwards). It is likely that the Romani took Kathak with them.
Kathak and other Persian dances may have changed along the way until it got to Spain, forming Flamenco. There are many similarities between the 2 dance forms.
pushpanjali 1 year ago
The Muslim rulers in Spain were Arabs not Persians. Arabic dance is very different from flamenco. By the time of the Islamic invasion of India in the 16th century, Spain had already been expelling it's non-Christian population since the later half of the 15th century, so the influence of the Islamic invasion of India would not have been felt there.
mmedefarge 1 year ago
They were not Arabs either, but a mix of different Islamic ethnicities: "The majority of the Army as well as commander Tariq himself were not Arab but Islamic Berbers, and in time Islamic migrants from places as diverse as North Africa to Yemen and Syria..."
As I said before, Islam invaded India in the 12th century (and they were visiting India as early as the 7th c.). I'm not sure where you are getting your information from...
pushpanjali 1 year ago
The Berbers were conquered by the Arabs & were/are Arabic speaking. They were influenced by their Egyptian neighbors & their dances reflect this.
I was referring to the Mughals who invaded northern India in 1526. It was they who were said to have bought Persian influence to Kathak dance, which by this time, migration of Indians to Spain had already ceased.
mmedefarge 1 year ago
P.S. The first Islamic invasion of Spain & longest lasting was by the Umayyads of Syria. Subsequent invasions were by the Berbers of N. Africa.
mmedefarge 1 year ago
Don't forget that Kathak is not an Islamic dance, it existed longgg before the Islamic invasion. Long before the gypsies started leaving India. So Flamenco could have very well been influenced by some Romani along the way, its a possibility.
pushpanjali 1 year ago
I realize that Kathak is one of several ancient dances of India. Flamenco was first a Gypsy dance in Spain. It wasn't recognized as a dance form by the general public until late 18th century.
mmedefarge 1 year ago
yes nice but i feel the elbows are a litle
too down....
k3dha1sda 2 years ago
a very valid point indeed
zcsay45 2 years ago
owo
nikitakanji 2 years ago
awesome dance!!
parvglobal 2 years ago
Amazing!!
mangomaz 2 years ago
:D She's fantastic!
KatzyKins 2 years ago
SUPER !!!
MsBengu 2 years ago
wow! amazing.
sonnetg 2 years ago
Archita rules!
arvindpradhan 2 years ago
thats hillarious - but thank you :)
zcsay45 2 years ago
This dance is the precursor of Spanish Flamenco, through Roma who came from India.
eemetahuo 2 years ago
@eemetahuo Really? That is an amazing new piece of info. Will look it up, thanks for pointing!
sananooreen 1 month ago
Kathak is nice ... but I like more Bharatnatyam!
NS324 2 years ago
bharatanatyam is a beautiful style
zcsay45 2 years ago
love the dresses
davidaud77 2 years ago
graceful and beauuutiful,Ive always wondered how someone can do so many turns-if I did about 5 I'd be on the floor boy
cherokiimslm 2 years ago 4
its all in balance kathak is an ancient indian dance that would take years to master
I myself was tranied to the 130 spins on the spot
:)
gtszstarbai 2 years ago
Lol. Tarana is a composition in Kathak. The performer's name is Archita Kumar. :)
nalbyuites 2 years ago
Thank you for enlightening me, I appreciate it. Archita, you are a wonderful dancer. Very elegant.
thisrainykitten 2 years ago
thank you thisrainykitten :)
zcsay45 2 years ago
wow i wish i could buy that sari does anyone know where i could buy it?
tetegirl101 2 years ago
super performance !!!!
sindurox 2 years ago
awesome performance... just gr8!)
ridy93 2 years ago
can someone tell me where i can download this song & can i get the name of the artist ?
naved91 2 years ago
The song is Tarana Kalavati, by the Kathak great Birju Maharaj.
KabirC 2 years ago
Q HERMOSO!!
floressalvajes 2 years ago
that performance was amazing.
ilovetjb 2 years ago
That was a masterful performance.
Maybe the audience could have been a little more respectful.
jaiPawanPutraHanuman 2 years ago 3
books123456789 that devdas song you are talking about is probably a song with madhuri dixit in. either ot is kahe ched mohe or maar dala.
AydielovesRyanHiga 3 years ago
Very nice..Good performance.
I suggest you upload the same in 'Dynamycdesi'.It is a online talent contest site for people.
shridanyam 3 years ago
supeeeerrrrbbbb!!!!!!!
honeybd 3 years ago
Good show I daresay ...
RishiCHSJCCSS 3 years ago
this is the first kathak video I saw, and is still my favourite. because of this video I started learning kathak myself and I'm completely in love with it for almost a year now:) thank you.
chocojazz 3 years ago 6
Glad to know still going very strong. Enjoyed your new upload. You are just amazing!
vizag30 3 years ago
there is def persian influence but anyone who studied kathak can tell u the similarities kathak has with the other indian classical dances.
fez30756750 3 years ago
so pretty
kuttu08 3 years ago
damn that was good. nice work!
Bellydanceshiva 3 years ago
Beautiful!
theblissfulflow 3 years ago
pretty good , my dance teacher's daughter performed this at our first annual recital
NicolesLovesBLG 3 years ago
Awesome!!!
kadhine 3 years ago
wow, so beautiful!
gladitsnotme 3 years ago
hey im myself learning tarana kalavati but this one doesn't matches with it at all.
heavenlygates394 3 years ago
It can be choreographed in several different ways... according to the creativity and imagination of the choreographer. So it doesn't really matter.
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peepongs 3 years ago
yes thats absolute correct peepongs :)
zcsay45 3 years ago
Wasn't Madhuri Dixit(Hindi film actress of the early 90's) a trained Kathak dancer? Sometimes in some of her dance scenes she uses Kathak hand movements.
parleegee 3 years ago 2
yeah like in that song in devdas where shez wearing the red outfit. the outfit was 13 kgs u know:O with all the diamonds and stuff
books123456789 3 years ago
Wow great job!
veenerweener 3 years ago
simply breathtaking!
Bellydanceshiva 3 years ago
simply breathtaking!
Bellydanceshiva 3 years ago
very good video...and hand movements are brilliant.
shweta87 3 years ago
And what's up with sujeet's weird kneejerk nationalism? Of course Kathak is Persian in origin (with the straight-leg style of dances and the chakkars) - so much of North Indian culture is, from language (Urdu) to painting (miniatures). You might want to accept historical reality rather than embarrassing yourself. Pushpanjali knows what she is talking about
iodine999 4 years ago
ITs just a deep seated inferiority complex, brought about by centuries of foreign rule.
Dariusdagr8 4 years ago
haha i totally agree...and i never understand why people feel the need to bring up elements of history that they KNOW will spark so-called debates on youtube that are just based on ignorance and hate.
jasmineapril 4 years ago
Iodine999, I'm as far from an Indian nationalist as you can get, and am actually a Persophile, but please show me the Persian dance on which Kathak is hypothetically based. Or even any Turkic dance on which Kathak may be based (given that the Mughal dynasty was founded by a Turk). Believe me I've looked and found none.
Is it not most logical to conclude that Kathak may be a dance developed in India under Mughal and later Awadhi patronage?
JoyDevivre 4 years ago
Kathak is purely Indian and Hindu in origin which was performed in temples to tell a story( Katha hence the name kathak). When Moghuls came all the music and dance that was performed in temples moved to Darbar. The music became non devotional. There is definitely Arab and Persian influence in Indian music.But the basic skeliton is purely Indian.
songlvr1 3 years ago 3
"But the basic skeleton is purely Indian."
You mean the basic skeleton is purely Hindu? Or purely ancient-Indian? Saying that it's purely Indian seems to say that Indian=Hindu. I really hope you're not saying that.
sananooreen 3 years ago
Yes. It is Hindu. Ancient Indian art(music dance and sculpting) is very tightly coupled to religion and praising the Lord or depicting the stories around the various Avatars. When you say Persian or Arab do you mean Islam or even the life style they followed prior to Islam?
songlvr1 3 years ago
Thank you. No, that was all I meant.
To answer your question, when we say Arab or Persian it usually means Islamic (unless it's pre-Islamic) because Arab states are religious states (unlike India which is secular) and because the population of non-Muslims is not significantly high and are recent migrants (again unlike India). Thank you for the correction though. :) God bless!
RovingEye55 3 years ago
Sorry I am posting under my sister's account. Just realised she forgot to logout. Cheers!
RovingEye55 3 years ago
Let's not conflate Arab and Persian here. We are talking about two distinct cultures. And the Mughals were influenced by Persian culture, not Arab. So whatever influence was brought into Kathak was mostly Persian and Turkic.
I honestly don't know how much truth there is to the idea that kathak originated in temples. After all, even pre-Islamic Indian rulers had court dancers.
Oh and your comment about North Indians and classical music is completely uncalled for.
JoyDevivre 3 years ago
Fine about Persian or Turkic. But Indian classical music and dance definitely had its origins in the temple. True HIndu Kings also had them perform but it was mostly devotional in intent. When Moghuls came devotional part was removed and it was mainly darbari music and dance.About NOrth Indian's interst in classical music is just not my opinion, it was expressed by major artists. It is logical to deduce the reason.
songlvr1 3 years ago
Yeah i believe your right. Kathak originated from temples and it was probably quite similar to bharathanatyam. Sources tell me that Carnatic music and Bharathanatyam are the purest forms of music and dance. By purest i mean purely indian - like tamil i suppose (without any influences).
nobody5690 3 years ago
Kathak did originate in Hindu Temples. Katha means "story" and Kathakas are those who tell the stories. It was later influenced by the Mughals, so yes there is a Persian influence in Kathak. You can tell by the angrakha (long dress) costume. But for religious Hindu dances/songs a different costume is worn, the ghagra-choli. All you have to do is read a little to find out more.
You're right, North Indians definitely DO appreciate classical music.
pushpanjali 3 years ago
The Mughal influence on it is only in terms of their encouragement of this dance forms. Otherwise the music, the movements are all Indian in origin. There is no parallel to any of them in any thing outside India. And to any one who reads this lets go easy on this north Indian , south Indian thing. Ok brothers? There is only one India.
jaiPawanPutraHanuman 2 years ago
There is no need to be afraid to accept the truth. Indian classiacal music and dance originated way before the Moghuls came. When Moghuls came some persian and Arab influenc also came and enriched the music. But the down side is it went away from the temples which was available to common folks. It went to the Darbars where only nobilty could enjoy.That is why common man in the north has no appreciation for classical music and dance compared to South.
songlvr1 3 years ago
I agree with you that it originated in the temples as was chiefly devotional in intent.
I disagree that the common North Indian person does not enjoy classical music, but yes, they are not generally fond of classcial dance. In any case it's a shame.
RovingEye55 3 years ago
kathak is not persian in origin certin schools of kathak is strongly influenced by persian dance, kathak originated in hindu temples and was patronized by the mughal rulers thats how it received its persian influence, just like hindustani music has its origins in the sama vedas but was strongly influenced by the persian music and for the record I am in no way a nationalist.
fez30756750 3 years ago
the music played sounds very similiar to a song sung by Noor Jehan(famous ghazal singer from Pakistan).
parleegee 3 years ago
what's striking to me about this - aside from the amazing dance, of course - is the amount of people rudely talking during the performance. I hate it when Indian audiences do this in public, and I've encountered such casual disregard for etiquette in movie theaters, dance performances, pujas - anywhere Indians are gathered, basically. it's aggravating as hell, and denotes a lack of respect for the performer. spare me the "you're racist" crap - since I'm Indian in background as well!
iodine999 4 years ago 3
i would love to learn kathak!!! unfortunatly, i had to stop because it didn't fit in my schedule......:(
aradhna 4 years ago
You have to make time for it! I'm sure you can find a class that fits into your schedule. If you want to do something, don't let anything stop you :)
curry02 4 years ago
you're right!! but here in holland, rotterdam, there is only one guru (that i know) which could me teach kathak and/or other dances. but i will be late for lessons if i follow the lessons in rotterdam, andmy mother wouldn't allow me to go to other places (she doesn't have time to bring me)....well, i'm hoping to get another timetable soon!!
(i wish i could make time for it but school is necessairy :( and 'more important')
aradhna 4 years ago
It is really a nice performance.
I am Emon from Bangladesh. I am also a kathak dancer and learning kathak from my 'Guru'. My teacher is direct student of Pt.Birju Maharaj. I know this 'tarana' but unfortunately i lost this record. anyone can send me this record???
please it will then very helpful for me for learning kathak more accurately...
emonkddancer 4 years ago
this long ghagra hides ur beautiful footwork.
therottenrat 4 years ago
How does she get her tika to stay on??? I would love to know. lol She is such a wonderful dancer! And I agree that this is the best kathak video on here.
GillianMoynihan 4 years ago
You could try pinning your tika down with a hair pin right at the base of your hairline. Also, some dancers put nail polish under their tika (onto their forehead) to keep it down. I am not sure what Archita does, but whatever it is, it works!
pushpanjali 4 years ago
Hi, I tried using nail polish under my tika and it doesn't stick. Is there a trick? Pinning the tika never works for me :(.
swapte 1 year ago
@swapte If the Tika has a flat back, the nail polish will work. If it has a hollow back, try pinning it close to your forehead. Pin at the top of your head as well, but also close to your forehead. If you can get a Tika that has a flat back, use a lot of clear nail polish. Hold it down for awhile, then it should be fine. The flat back Tikas are the only ones that will really stay.
pushpanjali 1 year ago
Thanks so much! I'll try everything you've suggested, lets see if it works on my forehead :)!.
swapte 1 year ago
Hi Swapte,
Spirit gum is the best. Any theatrical store will have it or order it online. Especially for Kathak, you need something strong and nail polish isn't enough. Hope that helps.
1minalgabail 1 year ago
@swapte try eyelash glue, the stuff that you get with fake eyelashes. the tikka will move around while you dance, don't worry about that. as long as it doesn't come off, it should not be a problem.
tanishatanisha 1 year ago
Archita uses Nailpolish to stick the tika to her forehead....
sanju14 4 years ago
omg i did this tarana a couple of years ago, its a lovely piece
lattcatt 4 years ago
Who are the musicians? I love this kind of Hindustani beats. Beautiful sitar piece.
zut212 4 years ago
This piece is a Tarana in Raag Kalawati and has been composed by Pandit Birju Maharaj. Its a typical dance tarana.
sanju14 4 years ago
This is probably the best dance video on youtube (for me). How amazing! Is Archit Kumar famous or is she simply a sutdent? Amazing. I've seen her other videos. This dance form is awesome, and it shows that indian women are not subservient to the men, since both men/women are in the audience. Other dance forms of the region implies that owmen are to serve men, but not this one.
zut212 4 years ago
Kathak was passed down through the courts of India, where it was performed for entertainment as well as story-telling. That may be what you are referring to, but in modern times classical Indian dance has nothing to do with "serving" anyone. The dancer dances for her/himself, and God as well.
pushpanjali 4 years ago
Sorry I forgot she was wearing a Ghagra costume.
The Kathak costume influenced by Persian influences is called an Angrakha, but she's not wearing that one.
pushpanjali 4 years ago
Now this is something new. I just found out about kathak today. It is definitely Indian, but seems to have a touch of Middle Eastern.
Of course, what I know about Indian OR Middle Eastern dance rattles around in a peanut shell, so I could be wrong.
Anyway, I liked it. The costume was almost a partner, the way it swirls about. Beautiful.
SailorBarsoom 4 years ago