excellent stuff, every word true and a gem; I'm 60 and English, so, in a sense, have grown up in parallel with Miller, and he has said/written some powerfully silly things over the years, but this is the liberal humanistic outlook at its very best - I'm happy to live and die by this creed.
I wonder how old this interview is? it is in black and white yet he mentions The "Life of Brian" movie. Can you imagine a fireside chat between Jonathon Miller and Stephen Fry? Who would not want to be a fly on the wall to listen to that?
After discussing this with some Jewish friends, it seems some people think he's only talking about Judaism in the religious sense of the word. I think it's bigger than that. He was also talking about "Jewishness" as a national or cultural group as well. What a great man!
@donnyab I was thinkin' the `70's too but then at-a-glance thru the listed vids, I noticed "Part 1." of the interview [by Dick Cavett] that this clip is excerpted from. So you can find Part 1 on this page & the other two parts will presumably follow. A great 'find,' plus there are more of these earlier interviews of Jonathan Miller. Hope you get this reply so's you can come back & find'em as well. Enjoy! ^_~\\
@82abhilash I do not believe in the official version of the holocaust, it is true, but I am not a denier, I may be called a revisionist. Many Neo-Nazis, skin heads and white supremacists have subscribed to my channel. Such people are driven more by hate than by reason. This video can be my way of snubbing them.
@MrOpendialogue Revisionist eh? And supposedly not an Anti-Semitic one. So why are you trying to make your channel less attractive? You will probably loose subscribers if you mirror this video.
@82abhilash I do not want to attract bigots. I want to attract descent people. And not all revisionists are anti-Semites. Have you heard of David Cole? He is Jewish by birth, an atheist by religion and a revisionist
@MrOpendialogue This conversation is most bizarre and perplexing. I suppose I have to be thankful to the fact that you are asking me instead of just simply mirroring this video. You asked me how I feel about all this, the answer is not very good. But if it will help repel bigots, I cannot say no. Having said that I am not interested in your internal politics. I do not have time for David Cole.
@82abhilash He is a holocaust denier and an anti-zionist. Mr opendialogue tries to portray himself as an open-minded individual, but he is in fact biased and the bias is painstakingly evident. He thinks himself clever but his lack of education and academc skill permeate his attempts to sway people in his direction. He thinks himself socratic but he never actually asks questions and getting an answer out of him is like getting water from a stone.
@Knowyerfacts Well..he did answer all my questions before he re-uploaded my video. Not questions about the holocaust, I did not want to go there. But I wanted to know why he wanted to upload my videos and he did tell me. I do not know if calling someone anti-Zionist is a smear. Dr. Miller himself says he is not-Zionist in this video. And he is accused by the Zionists of 'betrayal'. Of course Dr. Miller he does not deny the holocaust. So there.
@82abhilash His intent (mr dialogue that is) is devious. He wishes to downplay the Jewish identity as a means of negating the need for a Jewish state.. he wont come out and say that, but that is his intent. To be called an anti-zionist is not a smear in and of itself, so long as your reasoning is logical. In the case of Jonathon Miller, the reason is fueled by atheism. In the case of mr dialogue, its fueled by something much darker. He completely misses the point of Miller.
@Knowyerfacts 'Negating the need for a Jewish State?' Where is that coming from? If you ask me, I find the whole notion of theocratic states to be very dangerous. I think Jews, Christians, Hindus, Muslims, Buddhists and everyone should live in secular states even where they are in the majority. Theocracies are totalitarian and close minded. Totally Fucked up. As for this guy since he has not come out and said what you claim he believes, I can only write it off as speculation.
@82abhilash He will not come out and claim anything of the kind... his obsession is upon Jews and his angle is less than a responsible one. He would attack the belief that there needs to be a Jewish State (Zionism) but has no interest in discussing other nations which combine religious and political ideology... thus destroying the notion of being open to dialogue.
@82abhilash I already asked him to explain his purpose in hosting this clip and he in essence refused to explain himself. He threw a few insults my way... that was about the best he could offer. Check out his page and see the exchange for yourself
@Knowyerfacts He got back to me on PM. He tells me that you are not being completely honest. That you have spent days debating him on another thread and played dishonest tricks, and so he decided not to spend more time talking with you. Is there another thread? Which thread is he referring to?
@82abhilash Dunno... he said I was dishonest? Ask him where. The fact is, I got him backed into so many corners, he just decided to run away. I think when I got him to admit that he has no formal education beyond high school.. well.. that was just too much for him to come to terms with. Everything I said to him is for public consumption. All I did was expose his deceptive intent... he got caught. Read the exchange on his main page.
@Knowyerfacts So you did not have any other conversation with him, except on his upload of my video? Did you have multiple confrontations with him? Or was it just the one where he uploaded my video?
@82abhilash There were other exchanges, I just didnt keep record of them on my channel. The conversation about this clip is most recent after not having spoken to him in a week. I suppose I was being socratic in other exchanges and got him to betray something he stated earlier... if that means I used trickery, so be it. I see it more as being able to poke holes through his assertions in the course of our "open dialogue".
@82abhilash Im sorry but the specifics of what he said escape me.. I would have to navigate through a few things. Beyond that, I do recall several times where he demonstrated his disdain for factual data/documentation which disagrees with warped agenda. One such document was a hard core indictment of Nazi efforts to liquidate Jews.. he dismissed it as "scribbles".. wouldn't even read it and changed the topic.. On Cole and Irving.. he ran away as well when he realized he was losing ground
@Knowyerfacts You are not giving me much to work with here. But in any case, people holding his kind of views are under a lot of scrutiny. I won't be too worried about their capacity to mislead.
@Knowyerfacts You suppose you were being"Socratic".Ha ha!That's funny.You are "able to poke holes through his assertions",that's even more hilarious.No,actually,you're simply a screwed-up moron!
@watayapupuya How so? You need to be more specific if you are going to make accusations about me being screwed up. Otherwise.. you yourself come off as a moron. sorry, you fail.
Reading the comments though, is disturbing to say the least.
Amateurs might want to re-evaluate their belief in the wisdom of offering their opinion. Self esteem seems to be misappropriated amongst the masses. IMO, of course.
I wonder what th good Dr.'s personal stance is regarding today's anti-Arabism? And as a devout conscienscious humanitarian has he voiced it on PBS or th BBC? I feel quite certain he'd attract th undivided interest of fellow intellectuals & humanitarians, perhaps a Zionist or two and so forth. However, I'm not too sure about th three billion other people on th oposite side of our planet. It seems th Bible in that part of th World is just another book, be it New or Old Testament...
As a non-jew, I think it's high time we kicked anti-semitism into the long grass & got on with serious business. Opinions on the present administration in Israel are one thing. Anti-semitism is something else. And Jonathan Miller has a brain the size of a planet: his ethnicity is irrelevant.
These Dick Cavett/Dr. Jonathan Miller episodes were astonishing. I DID get them on reel to reel audiotape, and, as a devout atheist myself, am thrilled to actually see them posted! Dr. Miller has to be one of the most amazing intellects around. Many thanks.
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Jews are NOT a race. They are a nation established upon an everlasting covenant with the Creator. Just as with all nations, people are born into this nation, and just as with many nations - anyone who wants to join the Jewish people is able to join.
Jonathan Miller, as with most secular Jews, expresses that he has practically no idea what it means to be Jewish. Sad :(
In this clip he's simply fueling the claims of anti-semitism unintentionally, in his ignorance.
I am Jewish, and I do not believe in the Creator, especially if he's some 5,000 year old Jewish dude, because if he was, I'd never have to buy retail.
@omedyashar Since Miller is atheist how can he subscribe to your definition of jewry? Yours is a religious belief. Miller is not interested in "being" anything other than HIMSELF. The fact that he was born into a jewish family is no more or less important to him than the colour of his eyes. It is happenstance. If you want to believe that Miller's views fuel anti semitism, that's your business, not Miller's. I'd argue that your intolerance of his views is as bad as his supposed "anti semitism".
This guy just won one Internet.
laallaal75 1 month ago
excellent stuff, every word true and a gem; I'm 60 and English, so, in a sense, have grown up in parallel with Miller, and he has said/written some powerfully silly things over the years, but this is the liberal humanistic outlook at its very best - I'm happy to live and die by this creed.
MrMikenotts01 1 month ago
I wonder how old this interview is? it is in black and white yet he mentions The "Life of Brian" movie. Can you imagine a fireside chat between Jonathon Miller and Stephen Fry? Who would not want to be a fly on the wall to listen to that?
Mackeson3 1 month ago
@Mackeson3 It ix from 1980. It is not really black and white. The print is bad.
82abhilash 1 month ago
@82abhilash I remember seeing it when it was originally broadcast - it was transmitted in colour.
newargot 3 days ago
After discussing this with some Jewish friends, it seems some people think he's only talking about Judaism in the religious sense of the word. I think it's bigger than that. He was also talking about "Jewishness" as a national or cultural group as well. What a great man!
gyonis 2 months ago
Any form of identity politics is divisive.
craigpsimpson 4 months ago
You might want to put Dick Cavett in the tags as people, including myself search for him on here
NaviLight 7 months ago
@NaviLight Done.
82abhilash 7 months ago
I wısh more people could be like Mr Miller and disown tribalism on principle
MrDarkbloom 8 months ago 5
A truly wonderful person. A personal hero!
Vortex42 9 months ago
Great comment by Jonathan Miller about how much more important a common humanity is than 'Jewishness'.
nothingnesswithouten 10 months ago
What a sonorous voice and how beautifully he speaks English. He's really a marvelous mimic.
DCFunBud 10 months ago
1970's ?
donnyab 11 months ago
@donnyab I was thinkin' the `70's too but then at-a-glance thru the listed vids, I noticed "Part 1." of the interview [by Dick Cavett] that this clip is excerpted from. So you can find Part 1 on this page & the other two parts will presumably follow. A great 'find,' plus there are more of these earlier interviews of Jonathan Miller. Hope you get this reply so's you can come back & find'em as well. Enjoy! ^_~\\
evernetherall 7 months ago in playlist BEING Human/Dawkins II.
Love Jonathan miller
w13d3rgEb0r3n 11 months ago
How would you feel if I tell you that I am going to mirror this video on my channel? Before you answer, look at what my channel contains.
MrOpendialogue 1 year ago
@MrOpendialogue You are a holocaust denier. What do you hope to convey with this clip?
82abhilash 1 year ago
@82abhilash I do not believe in the official version of the holocaust, it is true, but I am not a denier, I may be called a revisionist. Many Neo-Nazis, skin heads and white supremacists have subscribed to my channel. Such people are driven more by hate than by reason. This video can be my way of snubbing them.
MrOpendialogue 1 year ago
@MrOpendialogue Revisionist eh? And supposedly not an Anti-Semitic one. So why are you trying to make your channel less attractive? You will probably loose subscribers if you mirror this video.
82abhilash 1 year ago
@82abhilash I do not want to attract bigots. I want to attract descent people. And not all revisionists are anti-Semites. Have you heard of David Cole? He is Jewish by birth, an atheist by religion and a revisionist
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MrOpendialogue 1 year ago
@MrOpendialogue This conversation is most bizarre and perplexing. I suppose I have to be thankful to the fact that you are asking me instead of just simply mirroring this video. You asked me how I feel about all this, the answer is not very good. But if it will help repel bigots, I cannot say no. Having said that I am not interested in your internal politics. I do not have time for David Cole.
82abhilash 1 year ago
@82abhilash That is more decency than I can expect from someone who holds my views. Thanks very much.
MrOpendialogue 1 year ago
@82abhilash He is a holocaust denier and an anti-zionist. Mr opendialogue tries to portray himself as an open-minded individual, but he is in fact biased and the bias is painstakingly evident. He thinks himself clever but his lack of education and academc skill permeate his attempts to sway people in his direction. He thinks himself socratic but he never actually asks questions and getting an answer out of him is like getting water from a stone.
Knowyerfacts 1 year ago
@Knowyerfacts Well..he did answer all my questions before he re-uploaded my video. Not questions about the holocaust, I did not want to go there. But I wanted to know why he wanted to upload my videos and he did tell me. I do not know if calling someone anti-Zionist is a smear. Dr. Miller himself says he is not-Zionist in this video. And he is accused by the Zionists of 'betrayal'. Of course Dr. Miller he does not deny the holocaust. So there.
82abhilash 1 year ago
@82abhilash His intent (mr dialogue that is) is devious. He wishes to downplay the Jewish identity as a means of negating the need for a Jewish state.. he wont come out and say that, but that is his intent. To be called an anti-zionist is not a smear in and of itself, so long as your reasoning is logical. In the case of Jonathon Miller, the reason is fueled by atheism. In the case of mr dialogue, its fueled by something much darker. He completely misses the point of Miller.
Knowyerfacts 1 year ago
@Knowyerfacts 'Negating the need for a Jewish State?' Where is that coming from? If you ask me, I find the whole notion of theocratic states to be very dangerous. I think Jews, Christians, Hindus, Muslims, Buddhists and everyone should live in secular states even where they are in the majority. Theocracies are totalitarian and close minded. Totally Fucked up. As for this guy since he has not come out and said what you claim he believes, I can only write it off as speculation.
82abhilash 1 year ago
@82abhilash He will not come out and claim anything of the kind... his obsession is upon Jews and his angle is less than a responsible one. He would attack the belief that there needs to be a Jewish State (Zionism) but has no interest in discussing other nations which combine religious and political ideology... thus destroying the notion of being open to dialogue.
Knowyerfacts 1 year ago
@Knowyerfacts I wish he could join this thread and tell what he honestly feels about a Jewish state. I will send him a PM.
82abhilash 1 year ago
@82abhilash I already asked him to explain his purpose in hosting this clip and he in essence refused to explain himself. He threw a few insults my way... that was about the best he could offer. Check out his page and see the exchange for yourself
Knowyerfacts 1 year ago
@Knowyerfacts He got back to me on PM. He tells me that you are not being completely honest. That you have spent days debating him on another thread and played dishonest tricks, and so he decided not to spend more time talking with you. Is there another thread? Which thread is he referring to?
82abhilash 1 year ago
@82abhilash Dunno... he said I was dishonest? Ask him where. The fact is, I got him backed into so many corners, he just decided to run away. I think when I got him to admit that he has no formal education beyond high school.. well.. that was just too much for him to come to terms with. Everything I said to him is for public consumption. All I did was expose his deceptive intent... he got caught. Read the exchange on his main page.
Knowyerfacts 1 year ago
@Knowyerfacts So you did not have any other conversation with him, except on his upload of my video? Did you have multiple confrontations with him? Or was it just the one where he uploaded my video?
82abhilash 1 year ago
@82abhilash There were other exchanges, I just didnt keep record of them on my channel. The conversation about this clip is most recent after not having spoken to him in a week. I suppose I was being socratic in other exchanges and got him to betray something he stated earlier... if that means I used trickery, so be it. I see it more as being able to poke holes through his assertions in the course of our "open dialogue".
Knowyerfacts 1 year ago
@Knowyerfacts What did you get him to betray and how?
82abhilash 1 year ago
@82abhilash Im sorry but the specifics of what he said escape me.. I would have to navigate through a few things. Beyond that, I do recall several times where he demonstrated his disdain for factual data/documentation which disagrees with warped agenda. One such document was a hard core indictment of Nazi efforts to liquidate Jews.. he dismissed it as "scribbles".. wouldn't even read it and changed the topic.. On Cole and Irving.. he ran away as well when he realized he was losing ground
Knowyerfacts 1 year ago
@Knowyerfacts You are not giving me much to work with here. But in any case, people holding his kind of views are under a lot of scrutiny. I won't be too worried about their capacity to mislead.
82abhilash 1 year ago
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Knowyerfacts 1 year ago
@Knowyerfacts You suppose you were being"Socratic".Ha ha!That's funny.You are "able to poke holes through his assertions",that's even more hilarious.No,actually,you're simply a screwed-up moron!
watayapupuya 9 months ago
@watayapupuya How so? You need to be more specific if you are going to make accusations about me being screwed up. Otherwise.. you yourself come off as a moron. sorry, you fail.
Knowyerfacts 8 months ago
@82abhilash and to ask him to be honest about anything is little shy of an exercise in futility
Knowyerfacts 1 year ago
Miller at his articulate and charming best.
Reading the comments though, is disturbing to say the least.
Amateurs might want to re-evaluate their belief in the wisdom of offering their opinion. Self esteem seems to be misappropriated amongst the masses. IMO, of course.
ThisbeandPyramus 1 year ago
Finally, as a former-Jew (without changing my religion, but simply being an atheist) - I found someone that feels exactly how I feel!
Thank you for uploading this magnificent interview!
MontreFox 1 year ago 4
I wonder what th good Dr.'s personal stance is regarding today's anti-Arabism? And as a devout conscienscious humanitarian has he voiced it on PBS or th BBC? I feel quite certain he'd attract th undivided interest of fellow intellectuals & humanitarians, perhaps a Zionist or two and so forth. However, I'm not too sure about th three billion other people on th oposite side of our planet. It seems th Bible in that part of th World is just another book, be it New or Old Testament...
BigIronOnHipMan2 1 year ago
i wish i was british
redarrowhead 2 years ago
As a non-jew, I think it's high time we kicked anti-semitism into the long grass & got on with serious business. Opinions on the present administration in Israel are one thing. Anti-semitism is something else. And Jonathan Miller has a brain the size of a planet: his ethnicity is irrelevant.
jonno52 2 years ago
There should be more people like Jonathan..if there was, this world would be a better place...amazing interlectual
ashy6793 2 years ago 5
@ashy6793 plenty of people like this these days... we just don't want them as celebrities anymore...
gtrabbit 2 years ago 2
ISnt he wonderfully eloquent, sensible, amusing and charming?
tobyruncorn2 2 years ago 27
Most certainly is.
82abhilash 2 years ago
@tobyruncorn2
He's still a sneaky weasel
SilvaSkaduwee 12 hours ago
These Dick Cavett/Dr. Jonathan Miller episodes were astonishing. I DID get them on reel to reel audiotape, and, as a devout atheist myself, am thrilled to actually see them posted! Dr. Miller has to be one of the most amazing intellects around. Many thanks.
chalomirof63 2 years ago
Check this channel venompangx
82abhilash 2 years ago
@chalomirof63 Hi, do you have any more Dick Cavett/Dr. Jonathan Miller episodes than those in my channel? If so could you upload them? Thanks
venompangx 1 year ago
Jonathan Miller is amazing.
stellietex 2 years ago 6
He is a jewel of a human being.
82abhilash 2 years ago
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Jews are NOT a race. They are a nation established upon an everlasting covenant with the Creator. Just as with all nations, people are born into this nation, and just as with many nations - anyone who wants to join the Jewish people is able to join.
Jonathan Miller, as with most secular Jews, expresses that he has practically no idea what it means to be Jewish. Sad :(
In this clip he's simply fueling the claims of anti-semitism unintentionally, in his ignorance.
omedyashar 3 years ago
............... ;) ..............
unicroneus 3 years ago
He is an atheist.
82abhilash 3 years ago
I am Jewish, and I do not believe in the Creator, especially if he's some 5,000 year old Jewish dude, because if he was, I'd never have to buy retail.
KoroOutbreak 3 years ago 27
@omedyashar Since Miller is atheist how can he subscribe to your definition of jewry? Yours is a religious belief. Miller is not interested in "being" anything other than HIMSELF. The fact that he was born into a jewish family is no more or less important to him than the colour of his eyes. It is happenstance. If you want to believe that Miller's views fuel anti semitism, that's your business, not Miller's. I'd argue that your intolerance of his views is as bad as his supposed "anti semitism".
tupperwararty 1 year ago
hmm, very interesting.
sarahsbooks 3 years ago 2