I am working on some historical reasearch on the origin of certain Shotokan Katas. In my research, I picked up a reference to a possibly more ancient kata, or a pair of kata, by the name of Channan, from which Sensei Itosu or another may have derived the five Heian/Pinan kata with which I am familiar. Do you have any information on the origins of this Channan kata, as performed in this video? Any information would be deeply appreciated.
@Ronin6575 Robert is asking about this special kata – not about Elmar Schmeisser. Also I'm very sceptical about Schmeisser's "research". All he did was describing some myths and legends without presenting *any* evidence for his claims, and joining the first two "Heian" kata and adding some pseudo-chinese movements to it (I wrote Heian on purpose to indicate the Shotokan roots of the movements in that two kata Schmeisser claims to be the long lost Channan ). Good to make...
@eisbombenhagel I am not necessarily a follower or detractor of Schmeisser's theories on kata....I just mentioned it because I saw that he wrote a piece on that subject. Personally, I am ignorant on the subject of Okinawan kata.
@Ronin6575 Well, this presented kata does not have anything in common with Elmar Schmeisser's books or videos. There is a teaser vid by Schmeisser on the top of the sidebar – take a look at it by yourself and decide. I know that Kushin-Ryu does teach a kata named Channan, too, but I haven't seen it yet. Maybe this one is somehow related to it.
@Ronin6575 [2] ... a happy buck with naive people that don't know much about okinawan karate-do or chinese quanfa. This presented kata by Roger Sheldon is different. I'm not sure if it is related (Choki Motobu's testimonies indicate that the legendary Channan were two kata as an evolutionary state in the development of the Pinan made by Itosu – but there must have been several students that learned them) to Itosu's kata – I don't think so. But nonetheless good principles are...
@Ronin6575 [3] ... visible (for real fighting) and it seems balanced, very powerful and well thought. Definitely done by some real martial artist and no BS.
I am working on some historical reasearch on the origin of certain Shotokan Katas. In my research, I picked up a reference to a possibly more ancient kata, or a pair of kata, by the name of Channan, from which Sensei Itosu or another may have derived the five Heian/Pinan kata with which I am familiar. Do you have any information on the origins of this Channan kata, as performed in this video? Any information would be deeply appreciated.
With the deepest respect,
Robert Lithgow
robertdlithgow 3 months ago
@robertdlithgow Elmar Schmeiiser has done some research on this subject....You can find him on Google.
Ronin6575 1 month ago
@Ronin6575 Robert is asking about this special kata – not about Elmar Schmeisser. Also I'm very sceptical about Schmeisser's "research". All he did was describing some myths and legends without presenting *any* evidence for his claims, and joining the first two "Heian" kata and adding some pseudo-chinese movements to it (I wrote Heian on purpose to indicate the Shotokan roots of the movements in that two kata Schmeisser claims to be the long lost Channan ). Good to make...
eisbombenhagel 2 weeks ago
@eisbombenhagel I am not necessarily a follower or detractor of Schmeisser's theories on kata....I just mentioned it because I saw that he wrote a piece on that subject. Personally, I am ignorant on the subject of Okinawan kata.
Ronin6575 2 weeks ago
@Ronin6575 Well, this presented kata does not have anything in common with Elmar Schmeisser's books or videos. There is a teaser vid by Schmeisser on the top of the sidebar – take a look at it by yourself and decide. I know that Kushin-Ryu does teach a kata named Channan, too, but I haven't seen it yet. Maybe this one is somehow related to it.
eisbombenhagel 2 weeks ago
@Ronin6575 [2] ... a happy buck with naive people that don't know much about okinawan karate-do or chinese quanfa. This presented kata by Roger Sheldon is different. I'm not sure if it is related (Choki Motobu's testimonies indicate that the legendary Channan were two kata as an evolutionary state in the development of the Pinan made by Itosu – but there must have been several students that learned them) to Itosu's kata – I don't think so. But nonetheless good principles are...
eisbombenhagel 2 weeks ago
@Ronin6575 [3] ... visible (for real fighting) and it seems balanced, very powerful and well thought. Definitely done by some real martial artist and no BS.
eisbombenhagel 2 weeks ago