This video only stabs at the use of coal. I realize that coal is in no way clean but I was able to figure that out by doing research not by watching Ben's foolish videos. We can not just switch off coal by snapping our fingers. There are many deep seated problem with solar and wind power just like coal. All this video accomplishes is saying that the coal industry is "stupid" like Whoopi Goldberg.
A few years ago two parents went out for dinner. A few hours later, the babysitter was calling to see if she could cover up the clown statue in the kids' room, the father said "Get the kids and get out of the house, we'll call the police, we don't have a clown statue". The "clown statue" was actually a killer that escaped from jail. If you don't post this on 10 videos tonight the clown will be in your bed at 3:00am with a chainsaw in his hand. Sorry don't want this to happen to me
Yeah, great. Coal is dirty. We all knew that, it isn't rocket surgery.
What do you suggest we use instead? Wind? Inefficient. Solar? Unreliable. Hydro? Ruins the ecosystem in the river. Natural Gas? Hydrofracking uses toxic chemicals and carcinogens that leak into the water table, causing mass deaths of the ecosystem. People have reported FLAMMABLE WATER coming out of their faucets.
Instead of useless propaganda, why don't you make yourself useful and come up with a better solution?
@audallas841 Wind IS sufficient. Solar IS reliable and can be backed up with energy storage. Hydro CAN be made in a way to minimize damage to the environment. Nat. Gas is at least better than coal. Stop criticising people who try to do the right thing. If you are unaware, this is a campaign against the coal industry's "clean coal" campaign.
this video is so inspiring! im going to use charcoal everyday now to cook my food. even sandwiches. Thanks coal is dirty. this video taught me how wonderful coal is!
@ibtl1 You could not possibly sound more ignorant right now. Of course Obama is a Muslim! He is not white so he MUST be a Muslim. And of course all Muslims are terrorists. No, it's not like 99% of Muslims are normal people or anything.
That was sarcasm by the way. If you needed that sentence to tell you that it was sarcasm, you are probably an idiot (or in very rare cases, Sheldon from The Big Bang Theory, but that is a minor exception).
@ibtl1 you are one of the most disgusting “human” beings I’ve ever mistakenly read a comment from. You’re arguments are founded on petty, asinine, racist, cruel, and crass insult. Somebody like you does not even deserve to know how to type, or speak, or write…. barf…. and barf again. Sick F**K.
@ibtl1 So not only are they wrong for being born a certain way that they can't help, but they are also mating with pigs, and homosexual (which in most cases has actually been proven just the way the person is, they can't help it. I know homophobic gay men and women). That is a very coincidental series of events. Oh, hey, did you know that scientifically, and religiously, that people of different skin color are all human? And almost every religion teaches tolerance and acceptance? Love you friend
@ibtl1 I might just do that. Question, what did Jesus mean by love thy neighbor? If you're an atheist though I can understand you not believing that. Or possibly a troll, but you seem pretty steady in your belief of everything being liberal cock sucking bs to be a troll. And btw, it's not bullshit, it's logical reasoning and scientific and religious fact. If you're not Atheist, and are a Christian, did you know that Jesus was middle eastern? Probably looked and sounded exactly like an Iranian.
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The energy consumption will only continue to grow and become more and more demanding. The key is to develop these alternate sources before we mine all the coal and keeping the jobs of our miners safe while doing so
@wturner0018 I would, but still there are plenty of coal fired generators around that create the electricity. At least here in NZ there are a few Hydroelectric plants that take the load off.
Clean wind energy? Solar? Hmm, what do you do when the wind stops blowing at night or in the evening? What's that? You'll turn your lights off and go to bed at 9pm? And turn off you AC in the summer and no heat in the winter?
Or maybe you would like to take things into your own hands and install solar panels and wind turbines outside your home. What's that? It's too expensive and unreliable? Well, maybe that's why we have coal.
@staspmr Well, I got some counter argument to that "what do you do when the wind stops blowing?"... Well, what do you do when there is a power outage? Same thing. This does happen... You still need "batteries" to keep the charge up, and do a bit of management: like many of "us" do with their portable PC.
Also, wind mills or solar panels are not made to be the first and only source of energy, but are a strategical tools to reduce pollution.
@therrydicule "Also, wind mills or solar panels are not made to be the first and only source of energy, but are a strategical tools to reduce pollution."
Exactly, so long as people do not get the notion that solar panels will keep them warm during the night, I think we'll be OK. The problem is certain positions that look to phase out coal completely, e.g, Canada, and say replace them with Biomass. Ok, so now you save coal, and cut down trees? Great, very environmental!
@staspmr It is not totally impossible, on mid to long term, to go on and have no coal at all in some region... But it take some strategical decision, because you have to keep a supply of electricity without shocking anyone with a price.
However, when it came to nationwide, going from 45% of the source of electricity to none... One could increase the number of hydroelectric, and increase nuclear and wind&solar panels and... But still, that will be hard to do rapidly ;)
@staspmr Oil and nonrenewable resources are FAR more costly in the long run, you just have to pay for panels and turbines ONCE and that's it. Oil and coal on the other hand are outsourced goods and come at a cheaper price at the current time because they're imported from places like the middle east which keeps our nation in debt and keeps our citizens out of work. Well, maybe that's why we need renewable resources.
@Mystrymeat check your facts for how long a wind turbine lasts please
also you did not address my concern for managing the electricity grid and the fact that they are intermittent resources. Turning a blind eye to part of the issue will not make the problem go away.
@staspmr According to UK websites, windmills last about 25 years with few parts needing replacement depending on the circumstances and for the most part run very efficiently. How long does oil last? Clocking in at 20 million barrels being used per day in the US... not very long. I didn't notice your statement involving the electricity grid and I apologize for this. Would you care to inform me as to how a electricity grid serves as a solution (or problem)?
@Mystrymeat Re: x-mission. 1. it is a problem to run the lines to areas that are windy (eg in a desert) to populated areas 2. Wind power is difficult to predict, and thus it is more difficult to schedule other resources to act in accord like therrydicule suggested (not that it can't be done) 3. wind requires power factor compensation (see reactive power) that is typically taken up by other operators.
@staspmr Trade isn't so much a problem as it is outsourcing that I have a problem with. Sure, it helps big businesses to gain more profit and grow but it comes at the cost of American jobs and it harms our manufacturing industry. The blame for the U.S.'s debt can be pinned on a variety of things from paying too much for fuel and illegal immigrant workers right down to making pennies and nickels even though it costs more to make these coins than they're actually worth.
@Mystrymeat Mmm, I won't argue this point as I have not looked at it very closely. Thinking about this in the past, I've satisfied myself with the following - US has exports ($1tn) as well as imports (1.5tn). If you stop trade, a lot of people who have the jobs derived from exports will lose them. Some people are one sided. Consider no imports, you would either have to deal with a 2000 iPhone or none at all. You'd have a job though, you just couldn't afford your current lifestyle
@Mystrymeat Also environmentally-minded people will also likely to consider this as well. Who is to say that the efforts of a Chinese worker shouldn't be rewarded? Are we not all human? Are US humans superior to the Chinese? I would not agree. It's hard to think that way when your OWN job is on the line, I'll grant anyone that, but without that motivation, we'd all go stale.
@staspmr But unfortunately that's not the case. I do believe the Chinese worker should be rewarded, I believe that they should even be given raises (seriously, fifty cents an hour to make Shrek cups? How's that for human rights?) which would at least make them want to put more quality into their production. The U.S. citizen isn't in any way superior but I feel we shouldn't keep buying into Chinese-made products when many of their companies provide poor working conditions for those workers.
However, watch out. Even if you hold a high paying position, the Chinese and India are already well underway to not only provide 'manned" services which are typically associated with those countries, they are already well underway to do product design. Not to familiar with this like I mentioned, but I do know that they are turning out quite a high number of engineers. I believe it was only a few years ago that "coding" was quite a hot area for America. It is now in india
@Mystrymeat back to wind. I never said I was against wind, it's just that there is a general notion that it's all easy peasy and hunky dory. It is however very easy to understand "coal is dirty" and "solar is clean". I'm not saying they are or aren't. However, I would beg to see someone who is looking to "reduce pollution", help save the environment by ditching their car.... I didn't think so. Not saying this against you btw, but it's easy for most to agree when someone ELSE has to do something.
@Mystrymeat About citizens out of work, I do not see how they will increase their employment if you import your wind turbines from overseas (which is most likely), then "pay for panels and turbines ONCE and that's it". Ok then if you build them ONCE, then even if you build them locally, you are out of work forevers.
As for constructive feedback, the citizens that are out of work may increase employability by upgrading their skills. China/India is doing that right now.
@staspmr Point taken. I suppose manufacturing eco-friendly tech would only suppress unemployment for a little while but then we'd be right back where we started. At least our government wouldn't have an excuse for being business partners with the Saudis and OPEC while exploiting local businesses. I'm afraid I have to agree with you on the skill upgrade notion since America is certainly lagging behind in the education department thanks to good ol' Bush's lovely "No Child Left Behind" schtick.
Why am I not surprised there is a Global Warming flame war in the comment section? Enviro-Hippies: There is strong evidence for and against GW, if its true we dont know if humans are causing it, and even if we are, we dont know what to do about it. Raising taxes, buying into corporate scams and lowering our living standards isnt the way to fix ANYTHING.
As for you "ITS A SCAM" spewers, even if it is, Solar, Geothermal, and Tidal energy is too abundant and powerful to pass up.
@InContemplation There is one majors problems with saying that there is strong evidence for and against G.W. Is, there is none against... Truth is the IIPC was a waterdown and outdated version because every scientific have work for the report had agree on the report. This made it the bare minimum of agreement on the subject: for a more honest evaluation, look at the Royal Society of the United Kingdom 2010 guide on climate change and the EURO-ACAD document call Let's be honest.
Mining coal and burning it to release its energy is true recycling and true solar power. Carbon based organisms lock up CO2 and get buried and turn into coal. Recovering the coal and releasing the CO2 back into the atmosphere causes more plants to grow, more Oxygen to be created and more life to flourish. CO2 is the catalyst of life. Coal is 'stored life' waiting to be released. We know that low CO2 causes drought, hunger and suffering. Release the CO2 and bring life & food back to the deserts!
@ClownFight Because of Global Warming, worldwide drought conditions are prohibiting plant growth. If Co2 levels get much higher, an extinction level event that will kill off the human race will occur.
@Coelacanth1938 errr, no it won't. The deserts will become fertile and the starving will thrive. The brightest moments in human history occer when the temperature is about 3 to 9 deg C higher than it is now. You have been seduced by the purveyors of doom. Don't be sad, it happens every few hundred years. Usually religion is the culprit, today it's Gore Inc. Greenhouse = ideal plant conditions. Stop believing the Green industry lies, CO2 is God's gift to life.
@ClownFight You are either on drugs or you're suffering from a mental illness. You also apparently like to make up facts like 90% of all crime in America is committed by African-Americans (Another video). At the very least you are a troll who thinks it's comedy gold to confuse people on a very important issue. Now go do something else like bitch about Lance Burton's bicycle tire going flat (Another video) and let the adults talk.
@Coelacanth1938 Ad hominem much? You Sir are a deluded prophet of doom who, despite ALL the evidence to contrary, preach about man-made global warming. Flopenhagen and East Anglia University sent a clear message that the Global Warming movement is a SCAM. The earth is not in danger and you Sir would be the last person to save it if it was. Coal WILL be converted to electricity for at least the next 100 years no matter what cannabis induced delusions you and your hippy followers suffer from.
@ClownFight The East Anglia University scandal was the result of hackers cherry-picking emails. COP15 was a 'failure.' But the 'Copenhagen Accord,' though flawed could mark the messy beginnings of a post-carbon age. And next year when my company debuts the first Biefeld–Brown effect wind generator, coal company executives will be diving headfirst out of skyscraper windows.
@Coelacanth1938 Well, well, well. Why am I so NOT surprised that you have a financial interest in a competing energy generation industry. Your 'wind power' has turned beautiful fields into ridiculous rows a propellors. How dare you sprout your filthy lies to profit from your energy generation business. Any future posts by you on the subject should be flagged as SPAM because you will say anything to make sure your "company" lies its way into higher profits through lower efficiency. Shame on you.
@ClownFight My windmill has no moving parts. It is about the diameter of a bicycle wheel and works best in an urban environment. Six of them will power an average three bedroom home. Now go back to watching Fox News and your Sarah Palin wetdreams.
@Coelacanth1938, Your windmill advertisements are SPAM. Your claims about coal as a pollutant are lies. You Sir are a snake oil salesman like so many other capitalist opportunists who are riding the wave of fear of climate change. Like them you will say anything to demonize your competition and claim your magic bicycle wheel will save the planet, for a fee. Global Warming is a marketing strategy created by the guys from Chewco and ENRON to sell rubbish technology by deceit and fear. Shame on you
@ClownFight Too dammn right. you know, poorer countries could have the energy they need, but no. Global scamists wish they don't, instead to charge too much for expensive energy sources. they demand that other countries stick to incaperbale, and/or unreliable energy. after all, their children aren't dying, and have good healthcare. see "the great global warming swindle".
@nic0245 i would have to say that denying that coal isn't bad is crap and denying that gasoline isn't bad is crap but the fact is that the effects happen very gradually and there are much more pressing issues out there, like freaking diseases and starvation, even illiteracy. but there's nothing wrong with those "elitists with money to waste", as long as they're doing something good, leave them alone. this kind of technology is exciting and soon will be efficient and hating isn't solving anything
@ClownFight Greenhouses are nice, but i wouldnt want to live in one. If your saying temperatures will rise with extra CO2 in the air, what happens to the cities built next to the seas ?
While global change may be a natural recurring activity, racial cleansing, murder, terrorism by toxic chemicals is something related to Nazi Germany and coal waste buried in minoriy neighborhoods. Clean coal is nothing more that false advertisement that results in terrorist like behavior. Anytime, a company knows that their product is harmful to health/life but insist publicly thru advertising that it is safe an act of terrorism occurs because lives hang in the balance of their advertising.
Coal Kills: Coal is just as deadly as radiation from a nuclear bomb. Coal has been killing Americans for centuries. Coal should be considered a terrorist weapon not an energy source. Coal contains arsenic, lead, mercury, candium, cyanide, copper, polycyclic hydrocarbons and much more. Most EPA superfunds contain coal waste left to be cleaned up with our tax dollars. The only way to make coal clean is to leave it in the ground forever. Clean coal advertising is terrorism at its best.
Why have the Polar ice caps that once covered all of canada and all the way to manhattan new york shrunk thousands of miles log before man discovered coal and petroleum energy?
If we look at the geological record it shows that climate change is natural and recurring even billions of years before humans and even dinosaurs and before all life for that matter. Proven fact- The polar Ice caps have receded more distance that the current distance of the caps for the past 14,000 yrs
What you are presenting is a "straw man" argument. Let me point out the obvious - because I am not sure you are capable of seeing it on your own.
Do you think dirt is dirty? yes/no
The answer doesn't matter, you can't win because it depends on the context.
In any case, no matter how you look at it your argument is scatterbrained. Perhaps you ought to go and take a tour of a real coal plant before you open your mouth again.
There is an iceberg four times the size of Manhattan that just broke off of Greenland that proves that Global Warming is a fact (Along with 700 Russians dying every day due to forest fires caused by drought). And China is rebuilding their cities around green energy technology even as I write. Nice attempt at spin, coal zombies.
I suppose that when the last one of this size broke off in 1962 it was also proof that the world was flat; that the sun rotates around the Earth. Why not just pick any calamity and blame it on Global Warming/Climate Change. When it's hot it's Global Warming, when it's cold its Global Climate Change. It's a win-win for everything but the economy.
Perhaps you have jumped to the conclusion that coal producing energy is dirty as you have after glancing at my profile. I just don't share my opinion very often, but when you know something is falsely represented it's a matter of personal integrity to speak up. If you had read my profile you would have also realized I have nothing to do with the coal industry. My opinion is based on research, where I have studied lots of sources NONE of which came from the coal industry.
Global climate change is real but what I want to see is definitive evidence that it's man made. I mean demonstrating that average global temperature rose 1degree isn't evidence. Why wont these environmentalist explain to me why the polar ice caps that once covered all of canada and half the united stats some 10-14,000 yrs ago have receded by 65% thousands of years prior to coal and petroleum energy? Did the wooly mammoths have coal powerhouses we don't know about??
@Coelacanth1938. Ice sheets, just like glaciers, flow to the sea. Icebergs break off these icesheets when they reach the sea. The LARGER the iceberg, the colder the weather because: a). the snowfall and glacier flow is faster and b). the sheet travels further over the land/sea junction before breaking off. This giant iceberg "four times the size of Manhattan" is proof of global cooling as confirmed by the UN's own meteorology reports. Global Warming is a SCAM promoted by the Gore doomsday cult
@Coelacanth1938 You serve the Agrarian de-evolutionists. The wealthy pseudo-socialist elite who want to create a market for their inefficient, over-priced technology by enlisting well meaning folks like you who will spread their false prophecies. News-flash: The world is not ending. The human race will be just fine. Al Gore's lies have been exposed. Get back to saving the whales and the rainforests and generating CO2 so it will rain in Africa and support crops for those poor starving people.
At least you responded without an expletive. Perhaps, we're making progress:)
I mentioned fly-ash in the US and you commented on my response. Assuming I knew what I was talking about, I would think that was quite clear. I never said fly-ash was clean, I merely said that in the US we collect and use it efficiently and that energy produced with coal does not pollute as it used to do in the 80's.
I think you lost a lot of creditability there. I have learned that it's good to take your time, study things out and then speak.
Environmentalists are well meaning people and I respect them and their work, but all too often their agenda gets clouded with generalizations and yes the occasional lie. I don't know of any coal plants in the US that release any fly-ash. Perhaps you should read the “The True Cost of Coal” report produced by Greenpeace it may open your eyes.
Fly-ash is far to valuable for cement production in the US, and businessmen here know it. They aren't going to waste it. Most public projects where cement is used in California require a certain percentage of fly-ash. Not just because it's environmentally conscious, but because of the extra strength it gives cement.
Although, I loved this very well done video, I don't agree with anyone who says coal is dirty. That's as silly as the cartoon, and perhaps ironic. Since the 80's coal has been nearly 100% clean. The fly-ash (byproduct of burning coal) is collected and used and sold to make cement stronger. Another example of how NOT polluting is both profitable and good for the earth. Steam is used to turn turbines and so some steam is released. I suppose some people may think that is dirty.
If a company, and it's employees could care less that there neighbor has brown poison water coming out of there sink, If any company think's it's okay to have
acceptable collateral damage for profit....so one group can live and another will not , how are we a CHRISTIAN NATION BASED ON GOD..
Is that what God would do blow up a top of a mountain create toxic sludge then tell his people it's okay to drink the brown water due to the fact some are getting a pay check.?
@DJTOSHBIKO Actually we are not a christian nation, we have no official religion. The founding fathers where deitist, and the constitution has NO refrences to god, christianity or the bible.
@halo5549 why the truth hurts? this is a nion religious country, we have no offical religion, just a bunch of bible thumbers who think that they are the offical religion when they are just the majority.
Can you give me any instances in the United States where this is still happening?
If you can, I'll stand corrected. I can't find any. To my knowledge, all sulfur dioxide(SO2), nitrogen oxid(NOx) and particulate matter(PM) are contained in all of Americas energy producing coal plants.
Solar Panels are made with a high energy investment which is never recovered in the life of the panel .I am in favour of better technology but most of it is not what it claims to be.
Actually a recent study by the US department of energy found that wind alone could be used, so long as the grid was efficient and could distribute energy nation wide. The wind is pretty much always blowing somewhere in the continental united states, and that doesn't even take into account the potential for energy storage.
@biomanwin you obviously don't understand how the nations power grid works. There isn't just one company that owns all of the nations power plants and power lines. If one companys wind turbines aren't producing energy, they aren't just going to sit and buy electricity from another company It would be a terrible business plan. That is what you are proposing. You would bankrupt a lot of companies. Plus there isn't enough land to put all these wind turbines you want.
Notice the word if in my statement. I said that if the nations power grid could efficiently transport electricity nationwide this would work. This implies that I know the current condition of the grid that exists.
This means we need to change the way the grid works, and indeed the way energy sales and purchasing works. Also this study only took into account wind power, it would be much simpler if solar, hydro, and geothermal were added to the mix.
While I agree, wind could be used, it's rather unreliable. We know that even in the most windy places they still have days where there is no wind. Energy would be un-reliable thus the United Nations resolve to force America to buy into the smart energy system which will control your energy usage via radio frequency with all Energy Star devices. Part of the stimulus paid for this infrastructure.
google stan ovshinsky, solar has come a long way from the over sized somewhat fragile old panels, he's made major improvements in harvesting of indirect light also energy storage technology has come a long way. this should be a no brainer by now, some industries wish to continue selling their outdated wares, its cheaper to Say 'clean' than Be it. i plan on being energy Independent within the next decade. the original investment is well worth the eventual Energy Freedom (Bane of the Industry)
If the Coal industry captured every molecule of CO2 and other harmful by-product of coal fired energy and then planted a billion trees... it still wouldn't be enough for the Green (AKA Red) lobby groups.
The reality is that China and India and all the developing nations are building coal fired electricity plants by the hundred. They WILL be burning coal for the next 100 yrs. Clean Coal Tech is actually needed right now and will be the fuel that builds wind turbines and creates a greener future.
@ClownFight I would only accept clean coal as a bridging technology, the problem with that is that industry is lazy and they'll do the same thing to clean coal that they did to oil. they'll get addicted to it and do the absolute minimum possible to develop renewable energy just for PR without actually creating anything substantive and leaving us with all the same problems if not at least handing it off to the next generation.
It's good that you would only accept it as a bridging technology, since there is only so much of it anyway, you will likely get your acceptable results; although addiction and laziness sounds more like a community problem or possibly a projection of your own insecurities. Lots of us are already working on renewable energy. It's a lot harder than it seems when your actually the one doing the work. :)
@ClownFight Oh gawd, did you really just mention the Red Menace?Communism is D-E-A-D! The Chinese & Russians are Capitalists & always have been b/c their systems are founded on the Monetary System. So Coal is Clean, War is Peace & Green is Red?
Look, the ONLY reason we use dirty fuels is b/c the richest 5% are invested in it & run the show. We have the tech TODAY to go completely clean! Check out "Our Technical Reality" & "Awakening" on YT. You've been Dis-informed brother! Check it out!
@kingofthebrittains Man made Global Warming is the only thing that's D-E-A-D in this discussion. Global Warming was a socialist construct to shift industrial power from corporations over to Liberal Governments. Once you remove the AGW scam from the equation then coal is already clean. We've never heard of a coal spill destroying wildlife now have we?.
The Chinese and Indians WILL be burning coal for the next 100 years whether you & I like it or not. "Disinformation" is pretending otherwise.
@ClownFight GW isn't dead, like ALL things we just need better data & more work on it to get an accurate reading. Funny, the "Liberal Guvs" exist solely to facilitate Big Biz. I've never heard of an Asbestos spill either, it must be nontoxic! That metaphor is invalid. Ever hear of BLACK LUNG? Asthma? Genetic mutation from toxins used in the mining process? There are many layers to everything, simplistic thinking doesn't work to solve problems. That's why we have the Scientific Method.
@kingofthebrittains AGW id D-E-A-D, get over it and focus on something R-E-A-L.
Liberal... Big business? OK, your interpretation depends on where you are. Liberal AKA Non-conservative.
The entire point of my original comment is that China and India WILL be burning coal for the next hundred or more years. This is reality. Clean coal IS a strategy worth pursuing. Electric cars will rightly dominate the personal transport landscape in the very near future. They will be powered by coal. Reality
@ClownFight youre kind of right i dont really (personnaly) believe global warming is as serious as people says but like oil, coal is limited, wind energy only work part time as solar energy but it is true however that coal energy can produc esickness for the one living near the plant or the worker. Technicly also, coal spill exist. once you burn the coal or any kind of thing, (heard the phrase nothing is created nothing disapear, everything is created) well when you burn something,
@ClownFight (follow up) well when you burn something, you get ashes and where do you store ash, well this place can leak. but i agree its rare and by the time it leak, you already got 6 oil leak somewhere. hydroenergy is kind of a good solution in my opinion but to built it you have to flood a part of valley destroying wildlife. personnaly i prefer nuclear energy. and yes i know you lgo with look at chernobyl and that is the perfect exemple of whaty ou get with a little to no safety in thiis
@ClownFight domain. if you take three miles island however, they had safety measure to prevent it and after the incident, there was no radiation increase in the surrounding of the plant. also it is really better than anykind of plant. take aircraft carrier. before then they had to refuel every 4 days. now with nuclear reactor, they can do almost 10 or more transworld travel (or 20 years) before beiing refuel (renuked if you want)
@xaviourte Yes I agree. Nuclear power is the best option. My point though is that the countries that are building dozens of new coal fired power stations every year will still need coal for the next 100 years or so. For these countries, coal will be in demand and clean coal would be a better option than say, Mongolian brown coal. Australia has enough coal to satisfy world demand for a thousand years. Australia also has the largest reserves of Uranium, so either power source would work for me.
@ClownFight yeah but still i think that coal is less dangerous than before. today there coal that will put les sulfur or other chemical thing. but still coal and uranium are on the same boat, peopele take exemple that are almost irrelevent like chernobyl wich was in fact lacking of any security mesure so people say look its dangerous lets not put any near our home insted plant solar energy or wind energy. but still i think that uranium would still be 110% better than coal but the biggest
@ClownFight the biggest disadventage (and its a huge one) is that with who we put wth nuclear energy and what are they really in for. take for exemple iran, they say its is for civilian use. but even i took acting class and boy he would have failed it. however there are certain kind of nuclear plant that work so that you cant use the leftover to do nuclear bomb also with a small part of uranium of the size of a tennis ball, you will be able to electryfy and heat for 1 years around 10000 home
@ClownFight Uranium mining looks much the same as coal mining. The retention pond for tailings is highly radioactive and it has been documented the cancer rates of neighboring communities (mostly Native American) is nearly triple the national average.
Biomass burned in gassifiers or grown directly for fuels can foster buildup of organic materials in soils turning marginal lands into arable ones, sewage-to-energy plants can turn waste into fuel from the single home to municipal levels.
@GaryBaird I'm in Australia and we ship millions of tons of those black rocks to the People's Republic of China every year. Those little black rocks saved our economy from the Global Financial Crisis and we are the best performing economy in the world thanks to China's appetite for our coal. Our biggest problem is stopping the stupid hippies from banning coal because they believe in the magical CO2 pollution story fed to them by the Socialists despite an inconvenient Copenhagen.
One of the best ways to save the environment is to elect Officials that will focus on reducing immigration.
In America, nearly all the population growth in the last 40 years has been via immigration, over 100 million more and we are on track to go to 500 million in a few decades. The world does not need 300 million more American consumers and America does not need 300 million more immigrants. Go to Numbersusa for more info on immigration and to fax your senators for free.
"The cheapest way to stop global climate change is not converting to
solar power or buying a hybrid car. It's putting on a condom.
That's the conclusion of a London School Of Economics study showing money spent on contraception is five times more efficient than money spent on clean energy technologies. It backs up a recent Oregon State University study tha
t concludes overpopulation and massive immigration is the single biggest threat to the environment." NUMBERSUSA(DOT)COM
Condoms interfere with the natural spread of human life. Married people should not use any nasty contraception. Unmarried people should not be having sex.
I didn't click on the Span link for your comment, but apparently somebody did. I rather give your comment a Thumbs down, because I disagree.
I UNDERSTAND and accept the many great compelling reasons why people have as many children as they do, and I reject the evil "carbon tax on babies" concept. Let babies push out!
Coal is dirty from mine to stack, coal gassification just transfers the problem of sulfur and heavy metals from the stack to some waterway. As for keeping coal to save jobs, for each coal job kept, the health of several hundred people is jeopardized; not a worthwhile trade off at all.
I think you should pay more attention to firewood smoke which is full of soot and particulates that gets deep into your lungs. It may smell good, but it is bad for your health and environment. The EPA is not going to address this because it is politically impossible... Everyone would be in arms if firewood is banned, but this is exactly what we should do now.. too many of us are burning firewood for goodness' sake..
Fact finder. That's been proven false over and over again. I can't believe that people still say that. The truth is that as the earth heats up, it naturally produces more carbon. During the MWP (midieval warming period) the percentage of CO2 rose higher than it is now without man's contribution. This probably comes from Al's "Inconvenient Truth". I like Al Gore, but unfortunately his movie has more lies than truth. I guess the truth was too inconvenient.
C02 is toxic to humans - that is why we exhale it. No one is surprised that our other waste outputs are bad for us. This is why submarines and space craft have CO2 scrubbers. See Apollo 13 - the Astronauts nearly died from high CO2.
It amazes me that educated people call CO2 safe, because it is natural. The list of natural things that are dangerous is endless - sharks, landslides, hurricanes, tornadoes, disease - etc
That's an absurd comparison. The total of 392.04 parts per million (2010) compared to the amount of other gases in the environment are is .0392.04. Wow when you look at it that way it's a very small number. Also, consider that 70M years ago the carbon levels were 4X higher, yet dinosaurs and insects were huge. Do you know why? Did you know that if we burn all our fossil fuel all at once today it will only take us to .0700?
Why isn't moutain top removal which is sadly still legal not mentioned when talking about coal.
Even if they could somehow refine the coal to produce no by-product with combustion, they still blow the top off mountains then push the rubble into valleys literally filling them.
Some how this is still legal and perfect proof without regulating every aspect companies and humans will do anything including things they know are wrong to make a buck regardless of who or what is hurt.
Wind and solar powers have too little output for a too high cost. It is not viable. You build a solar factory the size of Texas and power only one or two houses. The same is with wind power.
I am sorry, but coal, oil and atom prove to be the most effective energy resources, no matter what you tell.
Too bad we have not invested in the technology en mass until now. There is now next-gen solar panels made from plastic and ink that work better and faster than photosythesis, greatly increasing the power output and using materials that are extremely cheap. As cost and output are not great on the same solar panel invented in the 70s.
As for the wind mills, they are producing more efficient smaller ones of those as well. Shaped like a double helix they will not break or vibrate under increased wind. They work with less wind and the shape and a couple of the systems in the works will maintain constant speed regardless of wind to maintain even power input.
Instead of complaining about what is wrong look into the solutions. Don't just say it won't work when solutions can and are being devoloped.
Sorry, but you are very wrong---I personally have a solar system in front of my house that supplies most of my families daily output needs--the size---much smaller than the state of Texas, in fact it is just big enough to cover (as a carport) both of the family Subarus (we live in snow country in Oregon)---Output is around 18 to 22 Kw on sunny days & as low as 10 Kw in winter--not bad for a roof over a carport.
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fortune7428 5 days ago
If i seen the video titel, i had to think on minecraft!
R4Akai 3 months ago
clean coal=oxymoron
JMCporsche 3 months ago
This video only stabs at the use of coal. I realize that coal is in no way clean but I was able to figure that out by doing research not by watching Ben's foolish videos. We can not just switch off coal by snapping our fingers. There are many deep seated problem with solar and wind power just like coal. All this video accomplishes is saying that the coal industry is "stupid" like Whoopi Goldberg.
Liddlelegrande 3 months ago
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A few years ago two parents went out for dinner. A few hours later, the babysitter was calling to see if she could cover up the clown statue in the kids' room, the father said "Get the kids and get out of the house, we'll call the police, we don't have a clown statue". The "clown statue" was actually a killer that escaped from jail. If you don't post this on 10 videos tonight the clown will be in your bed at 3:00am with a chainsaw in his hand. Sorry don't want this to happen to me
00blackbelt00 6 months ago
Omg thay started to brainwash people!! RUUUNNNNN!!!!
meilute03 6 months ago 2
i like coal :)
pegauracheii 7 months ago
Amazing!
lacktopher 8 months ago
Yeah, great. Coal is dirty. We all knew that, it isn't rocket surgery.
What do you suggest we use instead? Wind? Inefficient. Solar? Unreliable. Hydro? Ruins the ecosystem in the river. Natural Gas? Hydrofracking uses toxic chemicals and carcinogens that leak into the water table, causing mass deaths of the ecosystem. People have reported FLAMMABLE WATER coming out of their faucets.
Instead of useless propaganda, why don't you make yourself useful and come up with a better solution?
audallas841 9 months ago
@audallas841 Wind IS sufficient. Solar IS reliable and can be backed up with energy storage. Hydro CAN be made in a way to minimize damage to the environment. Nat. Gas is at least better than coal. Stop criticising people who try to do the right thing. If you are unaware, this is a campaign against the coal industry's "clean coal" campaign.
ecologist96 9 months ago
@ecologist96 A wind turbine can only generate power for around 1000 households, and that's only if it's a windy day. So yes, inefficient.
Solar is NOT reliable. Many places have this thing called WINTER where it is cloudy for MONTHS at a time. Therefore, not reliable.
Natural gas production is worse than coal. Go ahead do a search for "natural gas health hazards" and see if you think it's still a good idea.
You would be more critical if you had the FACTS.
audallas841 9 months ago
this video is so inspiring! im going to use charcoal everyday now to cook my food. even sandwiches. Thanks coal is dirty. this video taught me how wonderful coal is!
BigMidget06 9 months ago
coal is cleaner than that muslim thats in the white house
ibtl1 9 months ago
@ibtl1 the level of your stupid is astounding
audallas841 9 months ago
@audallas841 fuck YOU and the pig fucking muslim terrorist thats in the white house
ibtl1 9 months ago
@ibtl1 You could not possibly sound more ignorant right now. Of course Obama is a Muslim! He is not white so he MUST be a Muslim. And of course all Muslims are terrorists. No, it's not like 99% of Muslims are normal people or anything.
That was sarcasm by the way. If you needed that sentence to tell you that it was sarcasm, you are probably an idiot (or in very rare cases, Sheldon from The Big Bang Theory, but that is a minor exception).
ecologist96 9 months ago
@ecologist96 ban coal, burn that nigger koran
ibtl1 9 months ago
@ibtl1 Why do you have to insult random religions and races? What have these people done to you?
ecologist96 9 months ago
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@ecologist96 you fucking nigger lover, suck a nigger cock and shut up
ibtl1 9 months ago
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@ibtl1 duh...sept 11 2001
you fucking liberal, nigger cock sucking, koran reading muslim cock sucker
i hope a buck nigger ass rapes you
ibtl1 8 months ago
@ibtl1 you are one of the most disgusting “human” beings I’ve ever mistakenly read a comment from. You’re arguments are founded on petty, asinine, racist, cruel, and crass insult. Somebody like you does not even deserve to know how to type, or speak, or write…. barf…. and barf again. Sick F**K.
allflowersintime 7 months ago 2
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allflowersintime 7 months ago
@ibtl1 Qu'ran...
garywilesmusic 6 months ago
@garywilesmusic Qu'ran, Qoran,koran, its all pig fucking muslim nigger shit, kill all them cock suckers
ibtl1 6 months ago
@ibtl1 umadbro?
garywilesmusic 6 months ago
@ibtl1 So not only are they wrong for being born a certain way that they can't help, but they are also mating with pigs, and homosexual (which in most cases has actually been proven just the way the person is, they can't help it. I know homophobic gay men and women). That is a very coincidental series of events. Oh, hey, did you know that scientifically, and religiously, that people of different skin color are all human? And almost every religion teaches tolerance and acceptance? Love you friend
garywilesmusic 6 months ago
@garywilesmusic well isnt that some liberal cock sucking bull shit, go hug a tree LOSER
ibtl1 6 months ago
@ibtl1 I might just do that. Question, what did Jesus mean by love thy neighbor? If you're an atheist though I can understand you not believing that. Or possibly a troll, but you seem pretty steady in your belief of everything being liberal cock sucking bs to be a troll. And btw, it's not bullshit, it's logical reasoning and scientific and religious fact. If you're not Atheist, and are a Christian, did you know that Jesus was middle eastern? Probably looked and sounded exactly like an Iranian.
garywilesmusic 6 months ago
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@garywilesmusic suck a nigger cock and shut the fuck up
ibtl1 6 months ago
@ibtl1 you deserve to die with horrible pain
Alenthas 2 months ago
Coal McClean, I don't care if it is clean or not, it is eventually going to run out!!!!!
Denon333dash888 11 months ago 2
@Denon333dash888 And our great grandchildren will be dead by then.
anonimity304 9 months ago
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Harvard Says Full Cost of U.S. Coal is $500 Billion a Year : us.mobile.reuters . com / article/article/idUS1634961002 20110218?ca=rdt -- Money down the drain because of the gangster coal cartel. Investigate, prosecute and imprison those that spread lies and disinformation about climate science. ClimateCodeRed . net -- PostCarbon . org -- Puppets of the automobile industry gangster cartels, free yourselves. Stop driving. CarFree .com -- BicycleCity . com -- FreePublicTransit . org
gregjalbert 11 months ago
Yeah when coal comes out of the ground its dirty, but have any of you ever attempted to learn about how it becomes electricity?
/watch?v=e_CcrgKLyzc
anonimity304 11 months ago
@anonimity304 Why is this significant? The emissions are released anyway.
ecologist96 9 months ago
@ecologist96 Maybe you didn't watch the part where the majority of emissions are stopped from entering the atmosphere?
anonimity304 9 months ago
@aegis027
The energy consumption will only continue to grow and become more and more demanding. The key is to develop these alternate sources before we mine all the coal and keeping the jobs of our miners safe while doing so
wturner0018 11 months ago
162 people have the iq of a 3 year old.
ugmagik 11 months ago
Coal is dirty.
GnomeSay 1 year ago
I wonder how much coal they burned making this parody. If you don't like coal don't use electricity...
wturner0018 1 year ago
@wturner0018 I would, but still there are plenty of coal fired generators around that create the electricity. At least here in NZ there are a few Hydroelectric plants that take the load off.
aegis027 11 months ago
Say NO to coal...boycott electric cars ;-)
bcubed72 1 year ago
Oh yea? and what do you propose to replace it?
Clean wind energy? Solar? Hmm, what do you do when the wind stops blowing at night or in the evening? What's that? You'll turn your lights off and go to bed at 9pm? And turn off you AC in the summer and no heat in the winter?
Or maybe you would like to take things into your own hands and install solar panels and wind turbines outside your home. What's that? It's too expensive and unreliable? Well, maybe that's why we have coal.
staspmr 1 year ago
@staspmr Well, I got some counter argument to that "what do you do when the wind stops blowing?"... Well, what do you do when there is a power outage? Same thing. This does happen... You still need "batteries" to keep the charge up, and do a bit of management: like many of "us" do with their portable PC.
Also, wind mills or solar panels are not made to be the first and only source of energy, but are a strategical tools to reduce pollution.
therrydicule 1 year ago
@therrydicule "Also, wind mills or solar panels are not made to be the first and only source of energy, but are a strategical tools to reduce pollution."
Exactly, so long as people do not get the notion that solar panels will keep them warm during the night, I think we'll be OK. The problem is certain positions that look to phase out coal completely, e.g, Canada, and say replace them with Biomass. Ok, so now you save coal, and cut down trees? Great, very environmental!
staspmr 1 year ago
@staspmr It is not totally impossible, on mid to long term, to go on and have no coal at all in some region... But it take some strategical decision, because you have to keep a supply of electricity without shocking anyone with a price.
However, when it came to nationwide, going from 45% of the source of electricity to none... One could increase the number of hydroelectric, and increase nuclear and wind&solar panels and... But still, that will be hard to do rapidly ;)
therrydicule 1 year ago
@staspmr Oil and nonrenewable resources are FAR more costly in the long run, you just have to pay for panels and turbines ONCE and that's it. Oil and coal on the other hand are outsourced goods and come at a cheaper price at the current time because they're imported from places like the middle east which keeps our nation in debt and keeps our citizens out of work. Well, maybe that's why we need renewable resources.
Mystrymeat 1 year ago
@Mystrymeat check your facts for how long a wind turbine lasts please
also you did not address my concern for managing the electricity grid and the fact that they are intermittent resources. Turning a blind eye to part of the issue will not make the problem go away.
staspmr 1 year ago
@staspmr According to UK websites, windmills last about 25 years with few parts needing replacement depending on the circumstances and for the most part run very efficiently. How long does oil last? Clocking in at 20 million barrels being used per day in the US... not very long. I didn't notice your statement involving the electricity grid and I apologize for this. Would you care to inform me as to how a electricity grid serves as a solution (or problem)?
Mystrymeat 1 year ago
@Mystrymeat Re: x-mission. 1. it is a problem to run the lines to areas that are windy (eg in a desert) to populated areas 2. Wind power is difficult to predict, and thus it is more difficult to schedule other resources to act in accord like therrydicule suggested (not that it can't be done) 3. wind requires power factor compensation (see reactive power) that is typically taken up by other operators.
staspmr 1 year ago
@Mystrymeat Please enlighten me where you outsource your coal from. Assuming you are in US, US is the 2nd largest producer of coal.
What is your problem with outsourcing oil? You have no problem outsourcing to China to build the solar panels?
Also get real. We live in a global economy, and trade will happen whether you want to or not. US isn't in debt because it's running coal.
staspmr 1 year ago
@staspmr Trade isn't so much a problem as it is outsourcing that I have a problem with. Sure, it helps big businesses to gain more profit and grow but it comes at the cost of American jobs and it harms our manufacturing industry. The blame for the U.S.'s debt can be pinned on a variety of things from paying too much for fuel and illegal immigrant workers right down to making pennies and nickels even though it costs more to make these coins than they're actually worth.
Mystrymeat 1 year ago
@Mystrymeat Mmm, I won't argue this point as I have not looked at it very closely. Thinking about this in the past, I've satisfied myself with the following - US has exports ($1tn) as well as imports (1.5tn). If you stop trade, a lot of people who have the jobs derived from exports will lose them. Some people are one sided. Consider no imports, you would either have to deal with a 2000 iPhone or none at all. You'd have a job though, you just couldn't afford your current lifestyle
staspmr 1 year ago
@Mystrymeat Also environmentally-minded people will also likely to consider this as well. Who is to say that the efforts of a Chinese worker shouldn't be rewarded? Are we not all human? Are US humans superior to the Chinese? I would not agree. It's hard to think that way when your OWN job is on the line, I'll grant anyone that, but without that motivation, we'd all go stale.
staspmr 1 year ago
@staspmr But unfortunately that's not the case. I do believe the Chinese worker should be rewarded, I believe that they should even be given raises (seriously, fifty cents an hour to make Shrek cups? How's that for human rights?) which would at least make them want to put more quality into their production. The U.S. citizen isn't in any way superior but I feel we shouldn't keep buying into Chinese-made products when many of their companies provide poor working conditions for those workers.
Mystrymeat 1 year ago
@Mystrymeat Re: Chinese
However, watch out. Even if you hold a high paying position, the Chinese and India are already well underway to not only provide 'manned" services which are typically associated with those countries, they are already well underway to do product design. Not to familiar with this like I mentioned, but I do know that they are turning out quite a high number of engineers. I believe it was only a few years ago that "coding" was quite a hot area for America. It is now in india
staspmr 1 year ago
@Mystrymeat back to wind. I never said I was against wind, it's just that there is a general notion that it's all easy peasy and hunky dory. It is however very easy to understand "coal is dirty" and "solar is clean". I'm not saying they are or aren't. However, I would beg to see someone who is looking to "reduce pollution", help save the environment by ditching their car.... I didn't think so. Not saying this against you btw, but it's easy for most to agree when someone ELSE has to do something.
staspmr 1 year ago
@Mystrymeat About citizens out of work, I do not see how they will increase their employment if you import your wind turbines from overseas (which is most likely), then "pay for panels and turbines ONCE and that's it". Ok then if you build them ONCE, then even if you build them locally, you are out of work forevers.
As for constructive feedback, the citizens that are out of work may increase employability by upgrading their skills. China/India is doing that right now.
staspmr 1 year ago
@staspmr Point taken. I suppose manufacturing eco-friendly tech would only suppress unemployment for a little while but then we'd be right back where we started. At least our government wouldn't have an excuse for being business partners with the Saudis and OPEC while exploiting local businesses. I'm afraid I have to agree with you on the skill upgrade notion since America is certainly lagging behind in the education department thanks to good ol' Bush's lovely "No Child Left Behind" schtick.
Mystrymeat 1 year ago
Last time I lit my fart: I saved a billion people!
Bidmartinlo 1 year ago
Why am I not surprised there is a Global Warming flame war in the comment section? Enviro-Hippies: There is strong evidence for and against GW, if its true we dont know if humans are causing it, and even if we are, we dont know what to do about it. Raising taxes, buying into corporate scams and lowering our living standards isnt the way to fix ANYTHING.
As for you "ITS A SCAM" spewers, even if it is, Solar, Geothermal, and Tidal energy is too abundant and powerful to pass up.
InContemplation 1 year ago
@InContemplation There is one majors problems with saying that there is strong evidence for and against G.W. Is, there is none against... Truth is the IIPC was a waterdown and outdated version because every scientific have work for the report had agree on the report. This made it the bare minimum of agreement on the subject: for a more honest evaluation, look at the Royal Society of the United Kingdom 2010 guide on climate change and the EURO-ACAD document call Let's be honest.
therrydicule 1 year ago
This is too funny.
thegoodrodgarrett 1 year ago
ROFL
sean32laf 1 year ago
Mining coal and burning it to release its energy is true recycling and true solar power. Carbon based organisms lock up CO2 and get buried and turn into coal. Recovering the coal and releasing the CO2 back into the atmosphere causes more plants to grow, more Oxygen to be created and more life to flourish. CO2 is the catalyst of life. Coal is 'stored life' waiting to be released. We know that low CO2 causes drought, hunger and suffering. Release the CO2 and bring life & food back to the deserts!
ClownFight 1 year ago
@ClownFight Because of Global Warming, worldwide drought conditions are prohibiting plant growth. If Co2 levels get much higher, an extinction level event that will kill off the human race will occur.
Coelacanth1938 1 year ago
@Coelacanth1938 errr, no it won't. The deserts will become fertile and the starving will thrive. The brightest moments in human history occer when the temperature is about 3 to 9 deg C higher than it is now. You have been seduced by the purveyors of doom. Don't be sad, it happens every few hundred years. Usually religion is the culprit, today it's Gore Inc. Greenhouse = ideal plant conditions. Stop believing the Green industry lies, CO2 is God's gift to life.
ClownFight 1 year ago
@ClownFight You are either on drugs or you're suffering from a mental illness. You also apparently like to make up facts like 90% of all crime in America is committed by African-Americans (Another video). At the very least you are a troll who thinks it's comedy gold to confuse people on a very important issue. Now go do something else like bitch about Lance Burton's bicycle tire going flat (Another video) and let the adults talk.
Coelacanth1938 1 year ago
@Coelacanth1938 Ad hominem much? You Sir are a deluded prophet of doom who, despite ALL the evidence to contrary, preach about man-made global warming. Flopenhagen and East Anglia University sent a clear message that the Global Warming movement is a SCAM. The earth is not in danger and you Sir would be the last person to save it if it was. Coal WILL be converted to electricity for at least the next 100 years no matter what cannabis induced delusions you and your hippy followers suffer from.
ClownFight 1 year ago
@ClownFight The East Anglia University scandal was the result of hackers cherry-picking emails. COP15 was a 'failure.' But the 'Copenhagen Accord,' though flawed could mark the messy beginnings of a post-carbon age. And next year when my company debuts the first Biefeld–Brown effect wind generator, coal company executives will be diving headfirst out of skyscraper windows.
Coelacanth1938 1 year ago
@Coelacanth1938 Well, well, well. Why am I so NOT surprised that you have a financial interest in a competing energy generation industry. Your 'wind power' has turned beautiful fields into ridiculous rows a propellors. How dare you sprout your filthy lies to profit from your energy generation business. Any future posts by you on the subject should be flagged as SPAM because you will say anything to make sure your "company" lies its way into higher profits through lower efficiency. Shame on you.
ClownFight 1 year ago
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Coelacanth1938 1 year ago
@ClownFight My windmill has no moving parts. It is about the diameter of a bicycle wheel and works best in an urban environment. Six of them will power an average three bedroom home. Now go back to watching Fox News and your Sarah Palin wetdreams.
Coelacanth1938 1 year ago
@Coelacanth1938, Your windmill advertisements are SPAM. Your claims about coal as a pollutant are lies. You Sir are a snake oil salesman like so many other capitalist opportunists who are riding the wave of fear of climate change. Like them you will say anything to demonize your competition and claim your magic bicycle wheel will save the planet, for a fee. Global Warming is a marketing strategy created by the guys from Chewco and ENRON to sell rubbish technology by deceit and fear. Shame on you
ClownFight 1 year ago
@ClownFight Too dammn right. you know, poorer countries could have the energy they need, but no. Global scamists wish they don't, instead to charge too much for expensive energy sources. they demand that other countries stick to incaperbale, and/or unreliable energy. after all, their children aren't dying, and have good healthcare. see "the great global warming swindle".
nic0245 1 year ago 2
@nic0245 i would have to say that denying that coal isn't bad is crap and denying that gasoline isn't bad is crap but the fact is that the effects happen very gradually and there are much more pressing issues out there, like freaking diseases and starvation, even illiteracy. but there's nothing wrong with those "elitists with money to waste", as long as they're doing something good, leave them alone. this kind of technology is exciting and soon will be efficient and hating isn't solving anything
bigmaclovesyou 1 year ago
@Coelacanth1938 yeah, "give me all your money and i promise i will remember you in my new spa".
nic0245 1 year ago
@ClownFight Greenhouses are nice, but i wouldnt want to live in one. If your saying temperatures will rise with extra CO2 in the air, what happens to the cities built next to the seas ?
hablerz 1 year ago
While global change may be a natural recurring activity, racial cleansing, murder, terrorism by toxic chemicals is something related to Nazi Germany and coal waste buried in minoriy neighborhoods. Clean coal is nothing more that false advertisement that results in terrorist like behavior. Anytime, a company knows that their product is harmful to health/life but insist publicly thru advertising that it is safe an act of terrorism occurs because lives hang in the balance of their advertising.
Rubenleesims 1 year ago
Coal Kills: Coal is just as deadly as radiation from a nuclear bomb. Coal has been killing Americans for centuries. Coal should be considered a terrorist weapon not an energy source. Coal contains arsenic, lead, mercury, candium, cyanide, copper, polycyclic hydrocarbons and much more. Most EPA superfunds contain coal waste left to be cleaned up with our tax dollars. The only way to make coal clean is to leave it in the ground forever. Clean coal advertising is terrorism at its best.
Rubenleesims 1 year ago 2
@Rubenleesims
Why have the Polar ice caps that once covered all of canada and all the way to manhattan new york shrunk thousands of miles log before man discovered coal and petroleum energy?
If we look at the geological record it shows that climate change is natural and recurring even billions of years before humans and even dinosaurs and before all life for that matter. Proven fact- The polar Ice caps have receded more distance that the current distance of the caps for the past 14,000 yrs
jjason55740 1 year ago
@Jbanto
I'm sure you're probability a kind well meaning person - good luck with that. I suppose we simply disagree.
GaryBaird 1 year ago
@Jbanto
What you are presenting is a "straw man" argument. Let me point out the obvious - because I am not sure you are capable of seeing it on your own.
Do you think dirt is dirty? yes/no
The answer doesn't matter, you can't win because it depends on the context.
In any case, no matter how you look at it your argument is scatterbrained. Perhaps you ought to go and take a tour of a real coal plant before you open your mouth again.
GaryBaird 1 year ago
There is an iceberg four times the size of Manhattan that just broke off of Greenland that proves that Global Warming is a fact (Along with 700 Russians dying every day due to forest fires caused by drought). And China is rebuilding their cities around green energy technology even as I write. Nice attempt at spin, coal zombies.
Coelacanth1938 1 year ago
@Coelacanth1938
I suppose that when the last one of this size broke off in 1962 it was also proof that the world was flat; that the sun rotates around the Earth. Why not just pick any calamity and blame it on Global Warming/Climate Change. When it's hot it's Global Warming, when it's cold its Global Climate Change. It's a win-win for everything but the economy.
GaryBaird 1 year ago
@GaryBaird It appears that the only reason your profile exists, judging by it's content, or lack thereof, is to pimp the coal industry.
Coelacanth1938 1 year ago
@Coelacanth1938
Perhaps you have jumped to the conclusion that coal producing energy is dirty as you have after glancing at my profile. I just don't share my opinion very often, but when you know something is falsely represented it's a matter of personal integrity to speak up. If you had read my profile you would have also realized I have nothing to do with the coal industry. My opinion is based on research, where I have studied lots of sources NONE of which came from the coal industry.
GaryBaird 1 year ago
@GaryBaird
Global climate change is real but what I want to see is definitive evidence that it's man made. I mean demonstrating that average global temperature rose 1degree isn't evidence. Why wont these environmentalist explain to me why the polar ice caps that once covered all of canada and half the united stats some 10-14,000 yrs ago have receded by 65% thousands of years prior to coal and petroleum energy? Did the wooly mammoths have coal powerhouses we don't know about??
jjason55740 1 year ago
@Coelacanth1938. Ice sheets, just like glaciers, flow to the sea. Icebergs break off these icesheets when they reach the sea. The LARGER the iceberg, the colder the weather because: a). the snowfall and glacier flow is faster and b). the sheet travels further over the land/sea junction before breaking off. This giant iceberg "four times the size of Manhattan" is proof of global cooling as confirmed by the UN's own meteorology reports. Global Warming is a SCAM promoted by the Gore doomsday cult
ClownFight 1 year ago
@ClownFight The only Doomsday cult here is the wealthy 2% you serve.
Coelacanth1938 1 year ago
@Coelacanth1938 You serve the Agrarian de-evolutionists. The wealthy pseudo-socialist elite who want to create a market for their inefficient, over-priced technology by enlisting well meaning folks like you who will spread their false prophecies. News-flash: The world is not ending. The human race will be just fine. Al Gore's lies have been exposed. Get back to saving the whales and the rainforests and generating CO2 so it will rain in Africa and support crops for those poor starving people.
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Coelacanth1938 1 year ago
@Jbanto
At least you responded without an expletive. Perhaps, we're making progress:)
I mentioned fly-ash in the US and you commented on my response. Assuming I knew what I was talking about, I would think that was quite clear. I never said fly-ash was clean, I merely said that in the US we collect and use it efficiently and that energy produced with coal does not pollute as it used to do in the 80's.
GaryBaird 1 year ago
I think you lost a lot of creditability there. I have learned that it's good to take your time, study things out and then speak.
Environmentalists are well meaning people and I respect them and their work, but all too often their agenda gets clouded with generalizations and yes the occasional lie. I don't know of any coal plants in the US that release any fly-ash. Perhaps you should read the “The True Cost of Coal” report produced by Greenpeace it may open your eyes.
GaryBaird 1 year ago
Fly-ash is far to valuable for cement production in the US, and businessmen here know it. They aren't going to waste it. Most public projects where cement is used in California require a certain percentage of fly-ash. Not just because it's environmentally conscious, but because of the extra strength it gives cement.
GaryBaird 1 year ago
A cartoon making up a fantasy of how Coal is clean, by people who believe the fantasy that coal is dirty. I believe that qualifies as ironic.
GaryBaird 1 year ago
Although, I loved this very well done video, I don't agree with anyone who says coal is dirty. That's as silly as the cartoon, and perhaps ironic. Since the 80's coal has been nearly 100% clean. The fly-ash (byproduct of burning coal) is collected and used and sold to make cement stronger. Another example of how NOT polluting is both profitable and good for the earth. Steam is used to turn turbines and so some steam is released. I suppose some people may think that is dirty.
GaryBaird 1 year ago
If a company, and it's employees could care less that there neighbor has brown poison water coming out of there sink, If any company think's it's okay to have
acceptable collateral damage for profit....so one group can live and another will not , how are we a CHRISTIAN NATION BASED ON GOD..
Is that what God would do blow up a top of a mountain create toxic sludge then tell his people it's okay to drink the brown water due to the fact some are getting a pay check.?
DJTOSHBIKO 1 year ago
@DJTOSHBIKO Actually we are not a christian nation, we have no official religion. The founding fathers where deitist, and the constitution has NO refrences to god, christianity or the bible.
damic 1 year ago 2
@damic fuck u atheist bastard
halo5549 1 year ago
@halo5549 why the truth hurts? this is a nion religious country, we have no offical religion, just a bunch of bible thumbers who think that they are the offical religion when they are just the majority.
damic 1 year ago 2
@damic
I assume you meant deist.
GaryBaird 1 year ago
@GaryBaird
Can you give me any instances in the United States where this is still happening?
If you can, I'll stand corrected. I can't find any. To my knowledge, all sulfur dioxide(SO2), nitrogen oxid(NOx) and particulate matter(PM) are contained in all of Americas energy producing coal plants.
GaryBaird 1 year ago
geothermal power for the win!
JETP1L0T 1 year ago
Coal McClean
MatthewDavidParr 1 year ago
HAHAHAHAAHA!
sparky577 1 year ago
hehehehe.....
keymon17 1 year ago
clean coal is the biggest joke ever much the same as Australian Liberal party voters or republican party voters.
Largegray 1 year ago
Amen, Brother!
APersonAgainstCoal 1 year ago
This is hilarious, great satire.
SmilingJack100 1 year ago
Solar Panels are made with a high energy investment which is never recovered in the life of the panel .I am in favour of better technology but most of it is not what it claims to be.
watzupdawg 1 year ago
Well done.
LookingxForxAlaska 1 year ago
haha too bad every wind and solar power plant has to be backed up with either a coal or natural gas fired power plant, fag
Bnic5 1 year ago
@Bnic5
Actually a recent study by the US department of energy found that wind alone could be used, so long as the grid was efficient and could distribute energy nation wide. The wind is pretty much always blowing somewhere in the continental united states, and that doesn't even take into account the potential for energy storage.
biomanwin 1 year ago
@biomanwin you obviously don't understand how the nations power grid works. There isn't just one company that owns all of the nations power plants and power lines. If one companys wind turbines aren't producing energy, they aren't just going to sit and buy electricity from another company It would be a terrible business plan. That is what you are proposing. You would bankrupt a lot of companies. Plus there isn't enough land to put all these wind turbines you want.
Bnic5 1 year ago
@Bnic5
Notice the word if in my statement. I said that if the nations power grid could efficiently transport electricity nationwide this would work. This implies that I know the current condition of the grid that exists.
This means we need to change the way the grid works, and indeed the way energy sales and purchasing works. Also this study only took into account wind power, it would be much simpler if solar, hydro, and geothermal were added to the mix.
biomanwin 1 year ago
@bnic5
While I agree, wind could be used, it's rather unreliable. We know that even in the most windy places they still have days where there is no wind. Energy would be un-reliable thus the United Nations resolve to force America to buy into the smart energy system which will control your energy usage via radio frequency with all Energy Star devices. Part of the stimulus paid for this infrastructure.
GaryBaird 1 year ago
@Bnic5
A study conducted in California at one of the largest wind farms showed that more than 8,000 birds die a year due to hitting the blades.
GaryBaird 1 year ago
haha... LOVE IT!
JonHope88 1 year ago
COAL RULES!!!!
MaryStewart 1 year ago
google stan ovshinsky, solar has come a long way from the over sized somewhat fragile old panels, he's made major improvements in harvesting of indirect light also energy storage technology has come a long way. this should be a no brainer by now, some industries wish to continue selling their outdated wares, its cheaper to Say 'clean' than Be it. i plan on being energy Independent within the next decade. the original investment is well worth the eventual Energy Freedom (Bane of the Industry)
Peachypadgett 2 years ago
This is true, i eat coal lumps everyday and sometimes with honey.
PeterBooksful 2 years ago
Coalicious goodness!
IOIOIOIOIOIOIOIOIOIO 2 years ago
WOOT Carbon scanning Clean Scopic Scopes ROCK!
Do you think Scrubbing Bubbles would work as well?
Nikkosis27 2 years ago
If the Coal industry captured every molecule of CO2 and other harmful by-product of coal fired energy and then planted a billion trees... it still wouldn't be enough for the Green (AKA Red) lobby groups.
The reality is that China and India and all the developing nations are building coal fired electricity plants by the hundred. They WILL be burning coal for the next 100 yrs. Clean Coal Tech is actually needed right now and will be the fuel that builds wind turbines and creates a greener future.
ClownFight 2 years ago
@ClownFight I would only accept clean coal as a bridging technology, the problem with that is that industry is lazy and they'll do the same thing to clean coal that they did to oil. they'll get addicted to it and do the absolute minimum possible to develop renewable energy just for PR without actually creating anything substantive and leaving us with all the same problems if not at least handing it off to the next generation.
Unclesamslair 1 year ago
@Unclesamslair
It's good that you would only accept it as a bridging technology, since there is only so much of it anyway, you will likely get your acceptable results; although addiction and laziness sounds more like a community problem or possibly a projection of your own insecurities. Lots of us are already working on renewable energy. It's a lot harder than it seems when your actually the one doing the work. :)
GaryBaird 1 year ago
@GaryBaird just out of curiosity, what is your background and qualifications in this field?
Unclesamslair 1 year ago
@ClownFight Oh gawd, did you really just mention the Red Menace?Communism is D-E-A-D! The Chinese & Russians are Capitalists & always have been b/c their systems are founded on the Monetary System. So Coal is Clean, War is Peace & Green is Red?
Look, the ONLY reason we use dirty fuels is b/c the richest 5% are invested in it & run the show. We have the tech TODAY to go completely clean! Check out "Our Technical Reality" & "Awakening" on YT. You've been Dis-informed brother! Check it out!
kingofthebrittains 1 year ago
@kingofthebrittains Man made Global Warming is the only thing that's D-E-A-D in this discussion. Global Warming was a socialist construct to shift industrial power from corporations over to Liberal Governments. Once you remove the AGW scam from the equation then coal is already clean. We've never heard of a coal spill destroying wildlife now have we?.
The Chinese and Indians WILL be burning coal for the next 100 years whether you & I like it or not. "Disinformation" is pretending otherwise.
ClownFight 1 year ago
@ClownFight GW isn't dead, like ALL things we just need better data & more work on it to get an accurate reading. Funny, the "Liberal Guvs" exist solely to facilitate Big Biz. I've never heard of an Asbestos spill either, it must be nontoxic! That metaphor is invalid. Ever hear of BLACK LUNG? Asthma? Genetic mutation from toxins used in the mining process? There are many layers to everything, simplistic thinking doesn't work to solve problems. That's why we have the Scientific Method.
kingofthebrittains 1 year ago
@kingofthebrittains AGW id D-E-A-D, get over it and focus on something R-E-A-L.
Liberal... Big business? OK, your interpretation depends on where you are. Liberal AKA Non-conservative.
The entire point of my original comment is that China and India WILL be burning coal for the next hundred or more years. This is reality. Clean coal IS a strategy worth pursuing. Electric cars will rightly dominate the personal transport landscape in the very near future. They will be powered by coal. Reality
ClownFight 1 year ago
@ClownFight youre kind of right i dont really (personnaly) believe global warming is as serious as people says but like oil, coal is limited, wind energy only work part time as solar energy but it is true however that coal energy can produc esickness for the one living near the plant or the worker. Technicly also, coal spill exist. once you burn the coal or any kind of thing, (heard the phrase nothing is created nothing disapear, everything is created) well when you burn something,
xaviourte 1 year ago
@ClownFight (follow up) well when you burn something, you get ashes and where do you store ash, well this place can leak. but i agree its rare and by the time it leak, you already got 6 oil leak somewhere. hydroenergy is kind of a good solution in my opinion but to built it you have to flood a part of valley destroying wildlife. personnaly i prefer nuclear energy. and yes i know you lgo with look at chernobyl and that is the perfect exemple of whaty ou get with a little to no safety in thiis
xaviourte 1 year ago
@ClownFight domain. if you take three miles island however, they had safety measure to prevent it and after the incident, there was no radiation increase in the surrounding of the plant. also it is really better than anykind of plant. take aircraft carrier. before then they had to refuel every 4 days. now with nuclear reactor, they can do almost 10 or more transworld travel (or 20 years) before beiing refuel (renuked if you want)
xaviourte 1 year ago
@xaviourte Yes I agree. Nuclear power is the best option. My point though is that the countries that are building dozens of new coal fired power stations every year will still need coal for the next 100 years or so. For these countries, coal will be in demand and clean coal would be a better option than say, Mongolian brown coal. Australia has enough coal to satisfy world demand for a thousand years. Australia also has the largest reserves of Uranium, so either power source would work for me.
ClownFight 1 year ago
@ClownFight yeah but still i think that coal is less dangerous than before. today there coal that will put les sulfur or other chemical thing. but still coal and uranium are on the same boat, peopele take exemple that are almost irrelevent like chernobyl wich was in fact lacking of any security mesure so people say look its dangerous lets not put any near our home insted plant solar energy or wind energy. but still i think that uranium would still be 110% better than coal but the biggest
xaviourte 1 year ago
@ClownFight the biggest disadventage (and its a huge one) is that with who we put wth nuclear energy and what are they really in for. take for exemple iran, they say its is for civilian use. but even i took acting class and boy he would have failed it. however there are certain kind of nuclear plant that work so that you cant use the leftover to do nuclear bomb also with a small part of uranium of the size of a tennis ball, you will be able to electryfy and heat for 1 years around 10000 home
xaviourte 1 year ago
@ClownFight i think 10000 i read that somewhere and to do the same with coal it would take way much than a tennis ball.
xaviourte 1 year ago
@ClownFight Uranium mining looks much the same as coal mining. The retention pond for tailings is highly radioactive and it has been documented the cancer rates of neighboring communities (mostly Native American) is nearly triple the national average.
Biomass burned in gassifiers or grown directly for fuels can foster buildup of organic materials in soils turning marginal lands into arable ones, sewage-to-energy plants can turn waste into fuel from the single home to municipal levels.
brob1969 1 year ago
@ClownFight
America has clean coal. The technology is here, the question is how do we get it to The Peoples Republic of China?
GaryBaird 1 year ago
@GaryBaird I'm in Australia and we ship millions of tons of those black rocks to the People's Republic of China every year. Those little black rocks saved our economy from the Global Financial Crisis and we are the best performing economy in the world thanks to China's appetite for our coal. Our biggest problem is stopping the stupid hippies from banning coal because they believe in the magical CO2 pollution story fed to them by the Socialists despite an inconvenient Copenhagen.
ClownFight 1 year ago
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One of the best ways to save the environment is to elect Officials that will focus on reducing immigration.
In America, nearly all the population growth in the last 40 years has been via immigration, over 100 million more and we are on track to go to 500 million in a few decades. The world does not need 300 million more American consumers and America does not need 300 million more immigrants. Go to Numbersusa for more info on immigration and to fax your senators for free.
mrhulot101 2 years ago
Lol
b1gr1g 2 years ago
To guyboy625: You know nothing about CO2, and for that I give you this:
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Brithopodid 2 years ago 2
Yea!! Makes good sense to me...! (??)
marcostar57 2 years ago
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"The cheapest way to stop global climate change is not converting to
solar power or buying a hybrid car. It's putting on a condom.
That's the conclusion of a London School Of Economics study showing money spent on contraception is five times more efficient than money spent on clean energy technologies. It backs up a recent Oregon State University study tha
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rocketsredglare101 2 years ago
To rocketsredglare101:
Condoms interfere with the natural spread of human life. Married people should not use any nasty contraception. Unmarried people should not be having sex.
I didn't click on the Span link for your comment, but apparently somebody did. I rather give your comment a Thumbs down, because I disagree.
I UNDERSTAND and accept the many great compelling reasons why people have as many children as they do, and I reject the evil "carbon tax on babies" concept. Let babies push out!
pronatalist 2 years ago
@rocketsredglare101
I think my sides are about to burst. :)
GaryBaird 1 year ago
If you think co2 causes global warming then check the facts, it's not true.
guyboy625 2 years ago
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Brithopodid 2 years ago
Wonderful sarcasm. Spot on.
rapauli 2 years ago 11
Coal is dirty from mine to stack, coal gassification just transfers the problem of sulfur and heavy metals from the stack to some waterway. As for keeping coal to save jobs, for each coal job kept, the health of several hundred people is jeopardized; not a worthwhile trade off at all.
omarspence 2 years ago
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I think you should pay more attention to firewood smoke which is full of soot and particulates that gets deep into your lungs. It may smell good, but it is bad for your health and environment. The EPA is not going to address this because it is politically impossible... Everyone would be in arms if firewood is banned, but this is exactly what we should do now.. too many of us are burning firewood for goodness' sake..
junkyardnut 2 years ago
i have a video about clean coal on my page if you're interested
xxPowerOnxx 2 years ago
Forget about Global Warming. The oceans are turning into acid because they're absorbing too much CO2.
Coelacanth1938 2 years ago 2
Global warming and ocean acidification are BOTH serious problems. Both need to be addressed.
omarspence 2 years ago
@Coelacanth1938
Fact finder. That's been proven false over and over again. I can't believe that people still say that. The truth is that as the earth heats up, it naturally produces more carbon. During the MWP (midieval warming period) the percentage of CO2 rose higher than it is now without man's contribution. This probably comes from Al's "Inconvenient Truth". I like Al Gore, but unfortunately his movie has more lies than truth. I guess the truth was too inconvenient.
GaryBaird 1 year ago
um i don't think thats right, but o well
CVcommercial13 2 years ago
C02 is toxic to humans - that is why we exhale it. No one is surprised that our other waste outputs are bad for us. This is why submarines and space craft have CO2 scrubbers. See Apollo 13 - the Astronauts nearly died from high CO2.
It amazes me that educated people call CO2 safe, because it is natural. The list of natural things that are dangerous is endless - sharks, landslides, hurricanes, tornadoes, disease - etc
uareablob 2 years ago
@uareablob
That's an absurd comparison. The total of 392.04 parts per million (2010) compared to the amount of other gases in the environment are is .0392.04. Wow when you look at it that way it's a very small number. Also, consider that 70M years ago the carbon levels were 4X higher, yet dinosaurs and insects were huge. Do you know why? Did you know that if we burn all our fossil fuel all at once today it will only take us to .0700?
GaryBaird 1 year ago
Coal is filth. Coal is outdated. There is no clean coal. Mountain top mining will probably destroy the world.
Gloriapower 2 years ago
@Gloriapower
You must live in a smaller world than I do.
GaryBaird 1 year ago
Why isn't moutain top removal which is sadly still legal not mentioned when talking about coal.
Even if they could somehow refine the coal to produce no by-product with combustion, they still blow the top off mountains then push the rubble into valleys literally filling them.
Some how this is still legal and perfect proof without regulating every aspect companies and humans will do anything including things they know are wrong to make a buck regardless of who or what is hurt.
doesitmatter2you 2 years ago 5
Wind and solar powers have too little output for a too high cost. It is not viable. You build a solar factory the size of Texas and power only one or two houses. The same is with wind power.
I am sorry, but coal, oil and atom prove to be the most effective energy resources, no matter what you tell.
Bohemund 2 years ago
You have some sense i live in wv where our only business comes from coal and i have perfect health
Letsgoherd3008 2 years ago
Too bad we have not invested in the technology en mass until now. There is now next-gen solar panels made from plastic and ink that work better and faster than photosythesis, greatly increasing the power output and using materials that are extremely cheap. As cost and output are not great on the same solar panel invented in the 70s.
doesitmatter2you 2 years ago
As for the wind mills, they are producing more efficient smaller ones of those as well. Shaped like a double helix they will not break or vibrate under increased wind. They work with less wind and the shape and a couple of the systems in the works will maintain constant speed regardless of wind to maintain even power input.
Instead of complaining about what is wrong look into the solutions. Don't just say it won't work when solutions can and are being devoloped.
doesitmatter2you 2 years ago
Sorry, but you are very wrong---I personally have a solar system in front of my house that supplies most of my families daily output needs--the size---much smaller than the state of Texas, in fact it is just big enough to cover (as a carport) both of the family Subarus (we live in snow country in Oregon)---Output is around 18 to 22 Kw on sunny days & as low as 10 Kw in winter--not bad for a roof over a carport.
Please check your facts first please.
autocrosser22 2 years ago
Well please explain more about clean coal.
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