Ron Paul @ Google - Capitalism & Health Care - part 6

[Sl0ppey]

I really respect Mr. Paul for doing what he thinks is best for his country,

but:

Child labour was not abolished by capitalism. Capitalism was founded ON child labour (industrial revolution). It was was only abolished by a mix of compulsory education, the renaissance concept of "childhood" and social politics. Look it up in a decent dictionary or for all I care in Wikipedia (Factory Act). Even the military helped abolish it, as they lacked potential recruits.

[PingPongPay]

@Sl0ppey

The reason why child labor ended was due to increased productivity. As society produced more goods and services with less people and less time, society no longer needed to use children for labor.

Government does not bring about change in society. Society brings about change in government. Child labor laws are a mere reflection of increased productivity.

[Sl0ppey]

I can't see the logic behind that, and I have never read that in scientific literature. If productivity had had increased to a minimum level triggering child labour unnecessary by giving everyone more time and luxuries, child labour would still be in use TODAY in western capitalist countries. Your point is a quantitative not a qualitative. On the other hand you may be right: half the earth is buying clothes made by children in asia and middle east, so I guess we just outsourced child labor.

[gunnarsom]

yes, read the history instead of lolling.

[seigneurvoland666]

what do you reccommend?

[gunnarsom]

Anything from Ludwig von Mises. And Ron Paul.

[TimeWarp66]

"Capitalism and Freedom" by Milton Friedman, or "Capitalism, the Unknown Ideal." Which is a collection of Ayn Rand and Nathaniel Brandon essays. Read the chapter: 'Myths of Capitalism" it debunks almost of the the Liberal statist talking points.

[magicalhats15]

The starting point for reason to decide government's role in healthcare is this: government is there to protect individual, NATURAL rights, those given by God, or nature, or by rationality (depending on your beliefs). Then let your principles guide you and you will see that socialized healthcare should not be in place.

Collective action has no unique moral authority.

[AshillaBeige]

I like the idea that everyone would be taken care of. I think THAT'S the part about socialized health care that is attractive, and it's a good intention most supporters have, but we must see that there are other ways to go about it, like strengthening the system from within to make it affordable: more doctors, more hospitals, better employers; that seems to be moral and feasible.

Working people shouldering a nation's burden with other peoples' hands in their pockets is doomed and unethical.