before watching this i thought krate was just a kids game of tournament ..... byt WOAAHHHH just look em both ..... RESPECT ..... thats what we call the FIGHT SKILLs ...
i trained at the red triangle liverpool during the sixties with sensei andy sherry bob poynton and terry oneil were only brown belts then although they would get involved in training i still have my old license with grading signatures from sensei kanazawa sensei enoeda and sensei sherry of which i am very proud
BEST ANSWER on this subject: I do not like to get in the habit of saying one style is better than others. In regards to karate as a sport-I believe tournament compeition, that while it has some benefits, it does create a mindset and habits that will not work for actual combat. I also agree that when you can not attck the joints, eyes, throat, fingers, groin, etc that a true martial artist would not be able to effectively use their style.
I had the privilege of training with both sensei's in this video, I preferred sensei Kanazawa to sensei Enoeda, he seemed less frightening, and as was mentioned previously, is a perfect gentleman.
I recall one grading day at Carlton Forum, which was Asano sensei's honbu at the time, one guy had driven all the way from Scotland to Nottingham, to show up late after training had started, and Enoeda sent him home! A similar thing too, when he saw one guy yawn, he sent him home!
@R0CKY44 He was not as small as many Japanese men either,as was the case with Asano sensei, whereby Kase, Kobara, (sometimes spelt Obara ) Kanazawa himself, and many other visiting sensei, the names of whom escape me at the minute, were of a slighter smaller stature. Odd that I recall all of them whose name began with K,,,,,,,,,,
I train Goju Ryu and found this video very interesting. Sensei Terry O'Neill came to our dojo yesterday as crazy as it sounds as he has had much one on one training with sensei morio higaonna and sensei Enoeda was his primary teacher. I gained a lot from what he had to say about Ippon Kumite and his stories regarding the past in general. Great Upload!!
Good old karate. Seems to me too many people get there belts today for just been there. Mcdojo... We had a rule in our karate that said if you are not 18 no black belt. And you worked for it. Not just got it. 10 year old with black belt is useless. Also. If you have karate it does not mean you are a fighter. Some people just cannot do good fighting. And last. I would like to see a real master in ufc. Like 7th dan that trains for ufc. Lyoto is already excellent, but he is not 7th+ dan.
@mizmera I'm pretty sure most dedicated karate men wouldn't fight in MMA. Simply because its all a big show. All the Sensei I ever trained under hated MMA. But they are always more than happy to give anyone in MMA who challenges them a good beating lol
@123UncleRuckus If you have practiced Karate before then you would not make such a dumb comment pea brain. You don't know shotokan and live in a fantasy world of jujitsu. Go to a good club, get your black belt then you can comment.
@Roccon79 Lyoto Machida? Do you know how much he had to modify his Karate to make it anywhere near useful in the UFC. He does MMA, so he uses tons of other influences, not just fuckin Karate.
@123UncleRuckus Uh, he hasn't modified it, he just does more than 1 martial art, like everybody else, he has a BB in BJJ, and did amateur Sumo, hence his manhandling of Ortiz.
And Karate comes from Okinawa, do you know what the other martial art of Okinawa is?
Tegumi, a type of submission wrestling, just about all the first Karateka did it.
Except the Japanese ones, who did Jujutsu, or Judo, or Sumo, or Aikido.
@123UncleRuckus Not to mention that Wado Ryu, one of the big four, is considered Jujutsu by the Shindo-Yoshin Ryu of Jujutsu, who consider it a descendant art of their Jujustu, due to a Jujutsuka creating it.
And Goju Ryu has hefty Aiki-Jujutsu influence.
And being more Japanese than the other styles, Shotokan Ryu has many throws shared with Judo.
All Karate has plenty of grappling. And most Karateka wrestled anyway.
@Hankthejollyspoon All I'm saying is that he does not rely on his Karate knowledge and techniques alone to win his fights. Also, that the two guys in this fight would not fare very well against a good ground fighter, I don't care what you think they studied or not.
@123UncleRuckus I know, but I said that doesn't invalidate Karate, because everyone crosstrains.
And these particular Karateka have only Karate experience, hence why one is 10th dan and the other a posthumous 9th dan, but leaving that aside, why would Judo or wrestling equal poor ground skill?
Or is BJJ the only martial art you think is good on the ground? If that is the case, Kimura beasted Helio Gracie, and Kimura did Judo.
@Hankthejollyspoon Both of them have experience in other martial arts. One is a shodan in Jujitsu. First, they are in different organizations. This was filmed before Master Kanazawa left JKA, and took over another style, at such time he was awarded his 10th dan. Different grading structure. Second, this is incorrect, Master Eneoeda now has his 10th dan in JKA. From my understanding the JKA posthumously award the next Dan when you die. It is cultural. this is an excellent demonstration!
@torro454 Enoeda Sensei did Judo, not Jujutsu, and Enoeda Sensei has a posthumous 9th dan, not 10th dan, you don't get an automatic 10th dan when you die. And Kanazawa also did Judo, not Jujutsu.
I was incorrect in stating they only had Karate experience, because they studied Judo at school.
@Hankthejollyspoon It is possible it was Judo, it has been a long time since I read about that, and Master Enoeda sounds correct. If so he held a shodan in that dicipline. Master Kanazawa also has some training in another style. Was Master Eneoeda an 8th dan before he died? Kanazawa is a 10th dan, but not in JKA. I was told a number of times that you are awarded the next higher grade upon your death by a high ranking member of JKA. My intent was not to jump on you. Regards.
@123UncleRuckus Most people are not realistic in their training or their beliefs. Ground fighting has its value, but the idea that every move works and will work against a strong karate fighter is a dream that comes about after the newest fad takes hold. Full mount on pavement, side control, north-south positions on pavement will scrape the meat off your knees. Attempting to get a kimura against a "live" opponent is not the formula for the street either. People who are blind lovers of the UFC
@123UncleRuckus 2) Should remember that the fighting is a close to real as most of us will get or see without arrests being made, but it is still done in a cage with padding on the floor. Fighters like Elwyn hall would win 50% or more of his MMA fights without knowing one submission. Also, most guys I know from the hood never took a grappling class in their life and they had a way to control a person with their body weight and beat them with the free hand. You call it "groundnpound".
@CLEVELEFS I know, you make a valid point about the ground game on the streets, and of course no one is expecting to hit kimura when on the streets (hopefully) unless they really know they can do it. However, I've played tapout with a few BJJ guys and let me tell you it is annoying as hell. You have to be tentative, and once they get going, they smother you and it feels like you are being suffocated. It's an eerie feeling and that's why you see all the videos of Karate practitioners
@CLEVELEFS being smothered and just looking frustrated while they fight a BJJ guy. I know is it more of a complimentary art in the UFC, but it still overwhelms fighters all over the world.
@123UncleRuckus First of all lets get real about BJJ! I am 50 years old and have been in the martial arts for 41 years. I am sure u will say that you could not care less about the time I have in the fighting arts, but I will tell you what I tell every one else on the subject. Fighting did not start with BJJ! Peope are "frustrated" by everything they don't learn themselves! A BJJ fighter is not "frustrated" by BJJlol! Much of what is wrestling and old time submission wrestling is credited as BJJ
@123UncleRuckus 2) It has gotten to the point that every submission and takedown is called BJJ and take it from one who really has been in the fighting arts for some time, many techniques are not rooted in BJJ. Somebody does a no-gi submission that has been a part of wrestling for a 100 years and they call it BJJ without a gi. The new flavors always tend to over shadow that which has been there already. Wrestling done well does well against BJJ. That is a fact.
@CLEVELEFS What I had meant to say was jujitsu in general not just BJJ. I'm often annoyed when people only think of BJJ as well. I'm aware of how other ground arts have done against BJJ, arts like Judo and Japanese Jujitsu. However, my arguement stays the same. A jujitsu fighter of the same level/experience would beat either of these guys.
@123UncleRuckus I believe Rickson Gracie is a great fighter who's attitude towards the martial arts should be a model for all fighters no matter what the style. I do think he would likely defeat most karateka of the same experience. In my opinion though too many people think of Jujitsu as the "complete art" and that does not prove to be the truth even in the UFC. Damian Maia (not sure of spelling lol) gets KO'd with one punch and most do not have his "game".
@CLEVELEFS I agree Damian Maia is pretty bad haha. However, I didn't say it was a complete art. All I'm saying is that it would defeat Karate is both practitioners were the same level. I would say that jujitsu has more dimensions to it than Karate, in the fact that it has both ground game and stand up.
@123UncleRuckus Jujitsu actually does not have "stand up" it has a certain amount of standing submissions. If someone is throwing a punch in jujitsu something is going on and it sure as heck ain't jujitsu. Jujitsu is a grappling art and anything else is added to it in order to make it more effective makes it a hybrid.
@CLEVELEFS Yes, japanese jujitsu does have strikes. When people think of jujitsu they think only submissions, however it has strikes, submissions, holds and pressure point strikes.
@123UncleRuckus If the strikes you speak of in jujitsu were functional they would be used in MMA without the need for Muay-thai and western boxing. A slap to the ear or palm strike to the chin are used more for pain diversions than to end the fight. Since we can go on like this forever, perhaps I should say what I have found to be true in my study of BJJ (and I stand by it). Beyond purple belt it is a waste of time. The 9 or so Submissions that work best are taught at or before that rank.
@123UncleRuckus juijutsu is not a sport oriented martial art,it is that exactly a martial art in the days when juijutsu was formed,when you could not use your sword or other weapons you revert to empty hands,there were not many targets that were not protected by armour ,also bear in mind that you are defending against a weapon so you techniques had to be effective,fighting to the death is not the same as fighting in a ring or on a mat and really should not be compared to sport arts
@123UncleRuckus 2) The techniques from brown to black are so low % I would advise most BJJ students who don't need rank 4 their ego2 get to the rank of purple belt and roll with the best they can find. Of all the grapplers I have studied n listened 2, 1 of the best was frank Shamrock. He said for starters he tells people to learn 5 submissions and learn to lock em in from every major position. I do commentary for MMA shows and the one thing fighters ask me to work with them on is transitioning.
When the opponent attempts a take down, it is very efficient to use your force when going down to tthrow him. I succeeded in doing so at my nidan grading 1½ years ago. By the way supervised by Kanazawa. :)
originally i did brazilian jiu jitsu then after that i was a very succesfull wrestler...so my fav part of this video is at 00:15 when you see the takedown to reversal thank you for posting this video
@danzinnyman: That was interesting to me too, he attempted a takedown, it failed, so he rolled with his fall and turned the guy over so that he had a dominant position even after his failed attempt. Shows a very flowing mindset.
@WarriorBoy Yes very true ya know i wish they still had the ability to wear the gi in pride fc and ufc i think they took it out which is a shame cuz any fight on the street there usually wearing clothes ya know
@danzinnyman: That is a very good point about clothing in street fighting. Every once in a while, martial artists always need to practice in what they wear in every day situations.
@WarriorBoy I don't think you guys really understand the purpose of the Gi and why it is white coloured. I understand what you are talking about wearing street clothes. But training in a dojo has a purpose. Only a japanese instructor a good one off course will tell you the reason why you must wear a gi. The gi must always remain clean preparation for death. The dolo floor has to be clean to prepare for death. If you are prepared for death, then you have no fear. you will not hesitate.
@Rocky44. It is rare to see real masters. I agree with jasonmarti1976 about the McDojos. I'll add that UFC has almost ruined the martial arts. People, particularly young white guys who talk louder than most who really practice martial arts, conveniently overlook all the rules of UFC that are designed in favor of wrestlers (jiu-jutsu, BJJ). It is easy for a REAL martial artist to see that the men in this video are true masters. Thanks for posting.
Sensei Enoeda and Kanazawa were the two most dominant figures in the jka.
If you ever met Sensei Enoeda you would feel his precence and that was as he walked through the door,If you ever trained with him and he demonstrated a technique on you...you surely felt the raw power he had.
I maintain high respects for Sensei Enoeda and Kanazawa.And this clip just seeing the man is enough to bring back memories of The Great late Sensei Enoeda Goaimashita Simasu
Doh! The side kick thrown by Kanazawa at 46 sec' BRILLIANT! Quality sparring. I read thar Kanazawa sensi won the Japan championships with a broken arm...throughout the whole tournament! Amazing.
At that time, the asian martial arts style was very orthodox on the movements. Anyone who trains any type of asian non-grapple martial arts classic style can fight like that IF both use the same style.
@jasonmarti1976 Yes the old karate was the best, I felt that it was diluted over time, after going through lengths to promoting karate to the masses and make sparring sessions safer for children, dumbing down techniques (chambering punches is one of them) . Then, it devolved further due to McDojos playing into the martial arts "mystique", when there's really no such thing, given that it's all about hard training all day and proper technique, none of the "black belt in nine months" nonsense.
The HUMAN BODY can only move in so many ways. All martial arts are effective,it's just that styles concentrate on certain aspects.Shotokan Karate has grappling, you just have to look for it.Jujitsu has striking as well. Its the artist,not the style....
Actually that looks like an osoto-gari attempt followed by Uki Waza or Yoko Wakari ( it is not clear to me), anyway it is one of the most finest throwing techniques.
that is actually nague-waza techniques from old ju-jutso school. Original Karate´s kumite allows Nague Waza. Today people think Judo is a set of techniques, but actually is something very different. Karate evolved from some of the Ju-Jutso techniques (Atemi-Waza), while Jigoro Kano adopted some other areas of Ju-jutso in his style, creating Kano Ryu Ju justo. The term Judo was created many years later (1925) when the book "Judo: The Modern School of Jiu-Jitsu" was written by Tomita.
@leocmen What text did you get that from? Why is this story, which can't be backed up by real, researched material always being passed around? Please let me know. Some of he credible resources I have are: Shotokan: A Precise History by Harry Cook. Karate-Do, My Way of Life by Gichin Funakoshi, Okinawan Karate-Do by Shoshin Nagamine, so on and so forth. They all say otherwise, so what are your sources. Gichin Funakoshi himself says that Jujitsu and Karate-Do are not the same.
Actually you are correct. Jujutso and Karate-Do are not the same. Jujutso is a kind of broad term to envelop a huge set ot techniques. Master Funakoshi was actually speaking in terms of deepness and true. Do you Funakoshi and Kano had a deeop respect by each other? DO you know Kano had a deep respect in regards to Ueshipa O-Sensei? The root is the same, however the leafs are very different.
Yes. Kano invited Funakoshi to do a demonstration in the Kodokan. He also offered a job to Funakoshi by proposing an Atemi-Waza department in the Kodokan too. But Funakoshi politely declined because he wanted his art to flourish on its own. Some of Funakoshi's students trained with Ueshiba as well, such as Koishi, who founded the Shindo-Jinen -RYu school (Ryobu-Kai). Otsuka, founder of Wado-Ryu Karate-Do became a student of Funakoshi when he was already a respected Jujitsu master in Tokyo.
@leocmen Correction to my original post... The student was Konishi, who was a captain of his college boxing team, as well as a Jujitsu practioner, before he started learning Karate-Do from Funakoshi. He later trained with Ueshiba and learned Aikido. He started the school Shindo Jinen Ryu (Ryobukai) which is also part of the Japan Karate Federation (JKF)
Karate - do is from India, by way of China, by way of Okinawa, to be further refined in Japan after Funakoshi brought it over. Jujitsu is organic Japanese, as is Judo, Kendo.
@ndileonardo To say Japanese Karate came from Jujitsu would be wrong. Jujitsu may have some influences over Karate , after it was introduced to Japan. The Okinawans had there own knowledge of grappling (most evident in traditional Okinawa styles like Goju-Ryu), but Funakoshi himself explicitly differentiates both in his book, Karate-Do My Way of Life. Otsuka and Konishi were both early students of Funakoshi and masters of Judo/Jujitsu, but they did not control Shotokan curriculum.
@ndileonardo The problem with over generalizing ideas can lead to distortions of the truth. To give credit to India of the origins of Karate-Do is too much a generalization because there are minute details such as the practice of Japanese kata which cannot be traced to any Indian martial art. Neither can the roots of any Japanized Karate kata be traced to Jujitsu simply because there are no connections to both. Unless you can show me or name a Judo/Jujitsu kata that connects.
Dude...read Funakoshi's own books. The martial arts we practice today came from the Shaolin temple, where the monks were trained by an Indian warrior. The styles moved eastward and integrated with LESS FORMAL fighting styles . From there, the styles evolved on their own. Do not get too hung up on dogma. Martial arts are martial arts...
@ndileonardo I know what Bodhidharma did in China, but to say Chinese fighting systems would not evolve without his influence is too much of a broad speculation. Despite what Funakoshi had said, its hard to trace it to India simply through its ties to the origins of Shaolin. If I mix boxing, BJJ and Karate, which I had learned in America, do I say that the history of my style comes from different countries, or from America? So to say Karate came from India?
@ndileonardo I do have four of Funakoshi's translated books: Karate-Do Kyohan, Karate-Do Nyumon, Karate-Do: My Way of Life, and his first book, To-Te Jitsu. I'm a history student and I love Karate-Do history, not just Shotokan but the other styles as well. I think its important not to generalize things, especially in the martial arts because the work and recognition of many great teachers get diluted and forgotten, along with valuable lessons such as kata application and its real purpose.
@ndileonardo It can be said that Jujitsu had it's influences on Karate after its introduction to Japan, but to say that the origins of Karate-Do lie in Jujitsu would be wrong. Okinawan grappling is evident in many Okinawan styles such as Goju-Ryu and Shorin Ryu, but those techniques developed in Okinawa and there is no evidence of its connection to a certain style of Japanese Jujitsu. Funakoshi himself maintains the difference between the two arts in his book, "Karate-Do, My Way of Life".
@Zowez you'll envy me more so after i tell u this i was talking to both of em about why violence breeds violence for like an hour after the training xD
i don't think this is an exhibition. I think this is one of the first All-Japan Karate tournaments held in the late 50's. The guy wearing a black coat at the end of the video is a ref.
That's the time were karate was deemed "brutal." I think it lies in the practitioner if he can make his martial art brutal.
For Riyania: I trained with both starting in the 1960s, lived with Kanazawa Sensei. Enoeda was a high rank in another style, started all over in Shotokan, training very hard. Kanazawa has an astonishing mind, which gave him a strategic edge over many masters. In college, he slept 4 hours & spent much of the waking hours training. No one trains quite so hard now. Also, he was the most charismatic man of high character I have met, & that includes the 14 Japanese masters I've trained with.
@sfkcbf you may know my parents then if u trained with kanazawa as they (my parents) were 2 of assano and kanazawas first ever students when they arrived in the uk. my parents are David glover and sandra phillis as was :0)
@sfkcbf I'd say the mma and kickboxing pros train extremely hard everyday for years and years. Most of the hardcore dedicated people moved away from karate into the contact arts starting in the late seventies when Karate went more mainstream.
@sfkcbf You are cool!!! I've got my first grading comming up in a month and i think kanazawa is comming over here (Ireland) for the last time!! I cant wait to meet him! Really happy to be doing a grading under him as well :)
@Mistabutts If you have a chance to meet, train, test with Master Kanazawa, then you are very fortunate. If any human can truly master karate, he is the example. More importantly is his admirable character, a master of karate-do. In a world filled with brutality and banality, he is a rare example of a gentleman with great personal power. I keep his picture on my wall and his example in my heart.
@MariusWM Yes, Mr. Enoeda trained in Japan with another school and received a fairly high rank. He then observed Shotokan / JKA and decided to start over. Mind you, the first school where he trained was far better than so many of the modern "schools" in many locations throughout the world today. Still, he saw were scientific, stragetically practical karate was higher quality than various "styles" that people have come up with. He later proved it on more than one occasion defending himself.
This looks like a video made in London 1965, during a tour of 4 JKA masters, including these masters. I think it is an exhibition not a real competition kumite. Both senseis are great, legends (if you want to). There is no referee also stopping the action.Any how, if it is just an exhibition or not is beyond the point. I admire the technique and the quality of these two human beings.
wasnt staged im afraid this is them actually scrapping. karate isn't how it was back then so i dont blame u nor think as u as the internet spam term noob for thinking that. i could be wrong but im pretty pretty sure it wasn't.
well, i've sparred with the late Sensei Enoeda, trained with him, Kenneth Funokoshi too and was a member of Marshall Street for 3years so no noob here. Total Shotokan i've done in years - omg 24 in total WOW !
Hi. It looked real to me. I think they respected eachother so much that they were being really cautious of eachother. Maybe that's why it looked staged. I have no way of knowing though. I can also see your argument. Either way, it was just sparring. They definitely weren't trying to kill eachother. Both have given so much to Shotokan. I liked the chudan kizama geri right as the one was coming in. That could have been followed up with a nice oi zuki jodan.Greetings from across the pond. Oss.
These guys could land lethal strikes. You combine that with the ethos of 'one punch kill' and 'no first move' and you end up with very quick exchanges. There's lots and lots of good karate in that I think, although I'm only a novice I admit. Besides, what reason would these guys have to stage kumite? It's not like they're afraid of being hit or anything...
Hi all, would really like to start karate but there are two diff kind of clubs by me one is JKA and the other SKIF can anyone explain the difference please?
I would agree with ROCKY44. Both schools teach Japanese Shotokan Karate & both these fighters were JKA members at the time of this video(1974). JKA was founded in 1955 by Funakoshi. Kanazawa broke away & started his own organization in 1977(SKIF). So much depends on the quality of the instruction at the dojos near you as to which would be preferable. I started training JKA in the 60's - Kanazawa & Enoeda were 2 of many quality karate-ka produced by the JKA.
the difference is not in style but location ..jka = japanese karate association ...skif = shotokan karate international federation which incidentally broke away from tokyo based jka around 1971
there is also the skief = shotokan karate international european federation that is headed by kanazawa kancho 10th dan.. here in the u.k. it's chief instructor is shiro asano hanshi 9th dan whom i have trained with many times in the past ...i hope this answers your question ...
Not to split hairs with you since most people don't care about these details but before I replied on this subject I checked the SKIF website & it says that Mr. Kanazawa founded SKIF in 1977. The SKIEF website says that Kanazawa & others incuding Mr. Asano founded SKIEF in 1974.
Hi gdataggy. Ive done karate 4 seven years (im 15). I dunno about SKIF, but JKA is Japanese Karate Association. Basically, about 3 or 4 years ago, there was a main body of karate called KUGB, run by Sensei Enoeda. When Sensei Enoeda died, Sensei Sherry took over the KUGB, but about 1/3 of the KUGB disagreed with this and set up a new club (JKA) under Sensei Otah. Basically, there are only bueracratic differences, but personally, I think KUGB is better ;) Both clubs practice Shotokan.
dude, don't bother with that, the main thing is that you train up your skills and everything...go for a martial art...everything is good as long it helps and you learn something by it...style is not different,if you train karate and tae kwon do,the style is different, but karate is pretty much the same...
@gdataggy they r just diffrent organizeations, im not sure if its the same style but i know JKA is shotokan and im not sure wat SKIF is but there should be much diffrence in between them just little things really. i hope this has helped in some way
@stefrees10 both organizations are Shotokan. JKA is the first Shotokan organization, and Kanazawa was part of it until he was hit with the proposal to become chief instructor of SKIF. I train with two instructors in my town, one who has 4 dans in JKA, and the other 2 dans in SKIF. Whit the JKA instructor we do almost just kumite and kumite techniques. For a beginner I would not recomand that. From kumite you can't learn form and you don't develop strenght and mobility.
I don't know which one was which, but that takedown was awesome! I love seeing the techniques under actual pressure! It gives you confirmation that this stuff is real! Excellent footage.
The most beautiful karate kumite I've seen bar none. This is more than a fight, you can clearly see that they exchange feelings in each of their moves. Truly this made me want to practice shotokan once again, even after all these years...
see good video(SHOTOBUSHINKAI DIEGO).
gabriel9513 1 week ago
It is karate! OS!
leodark19 2 weeks ago
It is karate!
leodark19 2 weeks ago
O SENSEI É MUITO BOM....
O QUE EU NÃO DARIA PRA TER UMA AULA COM ELE......
luisblackpk 3 weeks ago
i'm french and i had chance to training with kanazawa, he's not a tall and big ma, but he has lot of charism!
cracote22 1 month ago
before watching this i thought krate was just a kids game of tournament ..... byt WOAAHHHH just look em both ..... RESPECT ..... thats what we call the FIGHT SKILLs ...
vitalwords 1 month ago
kanazawa yeah!!!!
nuna1312 2 months ago
i trained at the red triangle liverpool during the sixties with sensei andy sherry bob poynton and terry oneil were only brown belts then although they would get involved in training i still have my old license with grading signatures from sensei kanazawa sensei enoeda and sensei sherry of which i am very proud
MrRon1950 2 months ago 3
I have feeling like i watch goku vs vegeta...total respect ! I wish i met them...
XKNIGHT196 3 months ago
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BEST ANSWER on this subject: I do not like to get in the habit of saying one style is better than others. In regards to karate as a sport-I believe tournament compeition, that while it has some benefits, it does create a mindset and habits that will not work for actual combat. I also agree that when you can not attck the joints, eyes, throat, fingers, groin, etc that a true martial artist would not be able to effectively use their style.
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TheWolfjr 3 months ago
I had the privilege of training with both sensei's in this video, I preferred sensei Kanazawa to sensei Enoeda, he seemed less frightening, and as was mentioned previously, is a perfect gentleman.
I recall one grading day at Carlton Forum, which was Asano sensei's honbu at the time, one guy had driven all the way from Scotland to Nottingham, to show up late after training had started, and Enoeda sent him home! A similar thing too, when he saw one guy yawn, he sent him home!
icehockeyboy1 4 months ago
@icehockeyboy1 Yes, I passed my shodan with Enoeda and he was a very intimidating character.
R0CKY44 4 months ago
@R0CKY44 He was not as small as many Japanese men either,as was the case with Asano sensei, whereby Kase, Kobara, (sometimes spelt Obara ) Kanazawa himself, and many other visiting sensei, the names of whom escape me at the minute, were of a slighter smaller stature. Odd that I recall all of them whose name began with K,,,,,,,,,,
icehockeyboy1 4 months ago
Kancho Kanazawa best of the best!!ooss
maragg12 4 months ago
I train Goju Ryu and found this video very interesting. Sensei Terry O'Neill came to our dojo yesterday as crazy as it sounds as he has had much one on one training with sensei morio higaonna and sensei Enoeda was his primary teacher. I gained a lot from what he had to say about Ippon Kumite and his stories regarding the past in general. Great Upload!!
therealhearty 4 months ago
this is the true karate
miguelorma 6 months ago
Who has video of Frank Smith?
Kwimalo 8 months ago
This is show,not true fighting.
TheTragonman 8 months ago
Damn good stuff!
fartface0469 9 months ago
Good old karate. Seems to me too many people get there belts today for just been there. Mcdojo... We had a rule in our karate that said if you are not 18 no black belt. And you worked for it. Not just got it. 10 year old with black belt is useless. Also. If you have karate it does not mean you are a fighter. Some people just cannot do good fighting. And last. I would like to see a real master in ufc. Like 7th dan that trains for ufc. Lyoto is already excellent, but he is not 7th+ dan.
mizmera 9 months ago 6
@mizmera totally agree :) im a shodan, but not a fighter (compared to others at my club)
greendayrocker86 2 months ago
@mizmera I'm pretty sure most dedicated karate men wouldn't fight in MMA. Simply because its all a big show. All the Sensei I ever trained under hated MMA. But they are always more than happy to give anyone in MMA who challenges them a good beating lol
Ballowall 3 weeks ago
I'm sorry but a jujitsu fighter would have had a field day with these guys.
123UncleRuckus 9 months ago
@123UncleRuckus If you have practiced Karate before then you would not make such a dumb comment pea brain. You don't know shotokan and live in a fantasy world of jujitsu. Go to a good club, get your black belt then you can comment.
MultiDickbreath 8 months ago
@123UncleRuckus Um.....Lyoto Machida, bro.
Roccon79 8 months ago
@123UncleRuckus Um.....Lyoto Machida, bro.
Roccon79 8 months ago
@Roccon79 Lyoto Machida? Do you know how much he had to modify his Karate to make it anywhere near useful in the UFC. He does MMA, so he uses tons of other influences, not just fuckin Karate.
123UncleRuckus 8 months ago
@123UncleRuckus Uh, he hasn't modified it, he just does more than 1 martial art, like everybody else, he has a BB in BJJ, and did amateur Sumo, hence his manhandling of Ortiz.
And Karate comes from Okinawa, do you know what the other martial art of Okinawa is?
Tegumi, a type of submission wrestling, just about all the first Karateka did it.
Except the Japanese ones, who did Jujutsu, or Judo, or Sumo, or Aikido.
Hankthejollyspoon 8 months ago
@123UncleRuckus Not to mention that Wado Ryu, one of the big four, is considered Jujutsu by the Shindo-Yoshin Ryu of Jujutsu, who consider it a descendant art of their Jujustu, due to a Jujutsuka creating it.
And Goju Ryu has hefty Aiki-Jujutsu influence.
And being more Japanese than the other styles, Shotokan Ryu has many throws shared with Judo.
All Karate has plenty of grappling. And most Karateka wrestled anyway.
Hankthejollyspoon 8 months ago
@Hankthejollyspoon All I'm saying is that he does not rely on his Karate knowledge and techniques alone to win his fights. Also, that the two guys in this fight would not fare very well against a good ground fighter, I don't care what you think they studied or not.
123UncleRuckus 8 months ago
@123UncleRuckus I know, but I said that doesn't invalidate Karate, because everyone crosstrains.
And these particular Karateka have only Karate experience, hence why one is 10th dan and the other a posthumous 9th dan, but leaving that aside, why would Judo or wrestling equal poor ground skill?
Or is BJJ the only martial art you think is good on the ground? If that is the case, Kimura beasted Helio Gracie, and Kimura did Judo.
Hankthejollyspoon 8 months ago
@Hankthejollyspoon Both of them have experience in other martial arts. One is a shodan in Jujitsu. First, they are in different organizations. This was filmed before Master Kanazawa left JKA, and took over another style, at such time he was awarded his 10th dan. Different grading structure. Second, this is incorrect, Master Eneoeda now has his 10th dan in JKA. From my understanding the JKA posthumously award the next Dan when you die. It is cultural. this is an excellent demonstration!
torro454 6 months ago
@torro454 Enoeda Sensei did Judo, not Jujutsu, and Enoeda Sensei has a posthumous 9th dan, not 10th dan, you don't get an automatic 10th dan when you die. And Kanazawa also did Judo, not Jujutsu.
I was incorrect in stating they only had Karate experience, because they studied Judo at school.
Hankthejollyspoon 6 months ago
@Hankthejollyspoon It is possible it was Judo, it has been a long time since I read about that, and Master Enoeda sounds correct. If so he held a shodan in that dicipline. Master Kanazawa also has some training in another style. Was Master Eneoeda an 8th dan before he died? Kanazawa is a 10th dan, but not in JKA. I was told a number of times that you are awarded the next higher grade upon your death by a high ranking member of JKA. My intent was not to jump on you. Regards.
torro454 6 months ago
@123UncleRuckus Most people are not realistic in their training or their beliefs. Ground fighting has its value, but the idea that every move works and will work against a strong karate fighter is a dream that comes about after the newest fad takes hold. Full mount on pavement, side control, north-south positions on pavement will scrape the meat off your knees. Attempting to get a kimura against a "live" opponent is not the formula for the street either. People who are blind lovers of the UFC
CLEVELEFS 6 months ago
@123UncleRuckus 2) Should remember that the fighting is a close to real as most of us will get or see without arrests being made, but it is still done in a cage with padding on the floor. Fighters like Elwyn hall would win 50% or more of his MMA fights without knowing one submission. Also, most guys I know from the hood never took a grappling class in their life and they had a way to control a person with their body weight and beat them with the free hand. You call it "groundnpound".
CLEVELEFS 6 months ago
@CLEVELEFS I know, you make a valid point about the ground game on the streets, and of course no one is expecting to hit kimura when on the streets (hopefully) unless they really know they can do it. However, I've played tapout with a few BJJ guys and let me tell you it is annoying as hell. You have to be tentative, and once they get going, they smother you and it feels like you are being suffocated. It's an eerie feeling and that's why you see all the videos of Karate practitioners
123UncleRuckus 6 months ago
@CLEVELEFS being smothered and just looking frustrated while they fight a BJJ guy. I know is it more of a complimentary art in the UFC, but it still overwhelms fighters all over the world.
123UncleRuckus 6 months ago
@123UncleRuckus First of all lets get real about BJJ! I am 50 years old and have been in the martial arts for 41 years. I am sure u will say that you could not care less about the time I have in the fighting arts, but I will tell you what I tell every one else on the subject. Fighting did not start with BJJ! Peope are "frustrated" by everything they don't learn themselves! A BJJ fighter is not "frustrated" by BJJlol! Much of what is wrestling and old time submission wrestling is credited as BJJ
CLEVELEFS 6 months ago
@123UncleRuckus 2) It has gotten to the point that every submission and takedown is called BJJ and take it from one who really has been in the fighting arts for some time, many techniques are not rooted in BJJ. Somebody does a no-gi submission that has been a part of wrestling for a 100 years and they call it BJJ without a gi. The new flavors always tend to over shadow that which has been there already. Wrestling done well does well against BJJ. That is a fact.
CLEVELEFS 6 months ago
@CLEVELEFS What I had meant to say was jujitsu in general not just BJJ. I'm often annoyed when people only think of BJJ as well. I'm aware of how other ground arts have done against BJJ, arts like Judo and Japanese Jujitsu. However, my arguement stays the same. A jujitsu fighter of the same level/experience would beat either of these guys.
123UncleRuckus 6 months ago
@123UncleRuckus I believe Rickson Gracie is a great fighter who's attitude towards the martial arts should be a model for all fighters no matter what the style. I do think he would likely defeat most karateka of the same experience. In my opinion though too many people think of Jujitsu as the "complete art" and that does not prove to be the truth even in the UFC. Damian Maia (not sure of spelling lol) gets KO'd with one punch and most do not have his "game".
CLEVELEFS 5 months ago
@CLEVELEFS I agree Damian Maia is pretty bad haha. However, I didn't say it was a complete art. All I'm saying is that it would defeat Karate is both practitioners were the same level. I would say that jujitsu has more dimensions to it than Karate, in the fact that it has both ground game and stand up.
123UncleRuckus 5 months ago
@123UncleRuckus Jujitsu actually does not have "stand up" it has a certain amount of standing submissions. If someone is throwing a punch in jujitsu something is going on and it sure as heck ain't jujitsu. Jujitsu is a grappling art and anything else is added to it in order to make it more effective makes it a hybrid.
CLEVELEFS 5 months ago
@CLEVELEFS Yes, japanese jujitsu does have strikes. When people think of jujitsu they think only submissions, however it has strikes, submissions, holds and pressure point strikes.
123UncleRuckus 5 months ago
@123UncleRuckus If the strikes you speak of in jujitsu were functional they would be used in MMA without the need for Muay-thai and western boxing. A slap to the ear or palm strike to the chin are used more for pain diversions than to end the fight. Since we can go on like this forever, perhaps I should say what I have found to be true in my study of BJJ (and I stand by it). Beyond purple belt it is a waste of time. The 9 or so Submissions that work best are taught at or before that rank.
CLEVELEFS 5 months ago
@123UncleRuckus juijutsu is not a sport oriented martial art,it is that exactly a martial art in the days when juijutsu was formed,when you could not use your sword or other weapons you revert to empty hands,there were not many targets that were not protected by armour ,also bear in mind that you are defending against a weapon so you techniques had to be effective,fighting to the death is not the same as fighting in a ring or on a mat and really should not be compared to sport arts
retardedjoe12 5 months ago
@123UncleRuckus 2) The techniques from brown to black are so low % I would advise most BJJ students who don't need rank 4 their ego2 get to the rank of purple belt and roll with the best they can find. Of all the grapplers I have studied n listened 2, 1 of the best was frank Shamrock. He said for starters he tells people to learn 5 submissions and learn to lock em in from every major position. I do commentary for MMA shows and the one thing fighters ask me to work with them on is transitioning.
CLEVELEFS 5 months ago
anticipation, speed, technique, great video
draltar 11 months ago
These guys would tool any fighter in a stand up fight.
HomesliceDrummer 11 months ago
Thank you for your many comments ,I have much to learn. I trained under 1 of Shihan Dover teachers in New Zealand many years ago.
1 class I attended their were 6 Master's, 1 master that came to train us was 1 of the 100 fighting monks of Kung Fu.
I was trained in Okinawa Te Karate many years ago.
I still have my old black Gi n the old stories told to me.
renaaabby 11 months ago
When the opponent attempts a take down, it is very efficient to use your force when going down to tthrow him. I succeeded in doing so at my nidan grading 1½ years ago. By the way supervised by Kanazawa. :)
bajerfan 11 months ago
originally i did brazilian jiu jitsu then after that i was a very succesfull wrestler...so my fav part of this video is at 00:15 when you see the takedown to reversal thank you for posting this video
danzinnyman 1 year ago
@danzinnyman: That was interesting to me too, he attempted a takedown, it failed, so he rolled with his fall and turned the guy over so that he had a dominant position even after his failed attempt. Shows a very flowing mindset.
WarriorBoy 1 year ago
@WarriorBoy Yes very true ya know i wish they still had the ability to wear the gi in pride fc and ufc i think they took it out which is a shame cuz any fight on the street there usually wearing clothes ya know
danzinnyman 1 year ago
@danzinnyman: That is a very good point about clothing in street fighting. Every once in a while, martial artists always need to practice in what they wear in every day situations.
WarriorBoy 1 year ago
@WarriorBoy I don't think you guys really understand the purpose of the Gi and why it is white coloured. I understand what you are talking about wearing street clothes. But training in a dojo has a purpose. Only a japanese instructor a good one off course will tell you the reason why you must wear a gi. The gi must always remain clean preparation for death. The dolo floor has to be clean to prepare for death. If you are prepared for death, then you have no fear. you will not hesitate.
MultiDickbreath 8 months ago
@Rocky44. It is rare to see real masters. I agree with jasonmarti1976 about the McDojos. I'll add that UFC has almost ruined the martial arts. People, particularly young white guys who talk louder than most who really practice martial arts, conveniently overlook all the rules of UFC that are designed in favor of wrestlers (jiu-jutsu, BJJ). It is easy for a REAL martial artist to see that the men in this video are true masters. Thanks for posting.
trounds2 1 year ago
@jasonmarti1976 ,ITS NOT FAKE .IT WAS A REAL FIGHT BETWEEN ENOEDA AND KANAZAWA,
bejakabyle 1 year ago
@bejakabyle Wow... think before you even speak... You obviously didnt read the "NOT"in his post...
timmidle 1 year ago
very nice
ElwaysPetra 1 year ago
this is real karate-do, and looks more to the street fight. Today we see some crap
farizfariz 1 year ago
OROTPÉDICO
lasallanohipper 1 year ago
@ sweetypie.
Sensei Enoeda and Kanazawa were the two most dominant figures in the jka.
If you ever met Sensei Enoeda you would feel his precence and that was as he walked through the door,If you ever trained with him and he demonstrated a technique on you...you surely felt the raw power he had.
I maintain high respects for Sensei Enoeda and Kanazawa.And this clip just seeing the man is enough to bring back memories of The Great late Sensei Enoeda Goaimashita Simasu
Jahleim72Amaya 1 year ago
@Jahleim72Amaya dude kanazawa left jka a long time ago but youre right they are two highly respected icons in karate
danumber1assassin 1 year ago
Doh! The side kick thrown by Kanazawa at 46 sec' BRILLIANT! Quality sparring. I read thar Kanazawa sensi won the Japan championships with a broken arm...throughout the whole tournament! Amazing.
Danofstockport 1 year ago
Im from JKA!
Vkurganow 1 year ago
Forget who is part of which organisation...both these men were and still are legends in the martial arts world.
kentheblacksmith 1 year ago
0:33 freakin amazing ashi barai by Kanazawa sensei
Delmo67 1 year ago
wow! so incredibly explosive, inspiring to watch, thank you for sharing.
Semimaru 1 year ago
@jasonmarti1976 I agree!
dcddjc 1 year ago
i wish karate was still like this.. in america but it would be out of bisness by then :(
well i guess there is still some of them out their
kenseisato1989 1 year ago
wow to see two masters spar with each other!
takeshimiyagi 1 year ago
@takeshimiyagi absolutly. Explosive Perfection!
dcddjc 1 year ago
At that time, the asian martial arts style was very orthodox on the movements. Anyone who trains any type of asian non-grapple martial arts classic style can fight like that IF both use the same style.
Azfargh 1 year ago
Hell yes, how it should be done! Love the sutemi near the start
Shindai 1 year ago
@jasonmarti1976 Yes the old karate was the best, I felt that it was diluted over time, after going through lengths to promoting karate to the masses and make sparring sessions safer for children, dumbing down techniques (chambering punches is one of them) . Then, it devolved further due to McDojos playing into the martial arts "mystique", when there's really no such thing, given that it's all about hard training all day and proper technique, none of the "black belt in nine months" nonsense.
sukotsutoclone2 1 year ago
@jasonmarti1976 it's a demo mate
DunxMeister 1 year ago
The HUMAN BODY can only move in so many ways. All martial arts are effective,it's just that styles concentrate on certain aspects.Shotokan Karate has grappling, you just have to look for it.Jujitsu has striking as well. Its the artist,not the style....
hazor777 1 year ago
extraordinary
touretul 1 year ago
and they dont jump around like crazy rabbits now, do they?? WHat is the sport doing to the art these days...
Ivaylo5529 1 year ago 7
well whatever you guys say, all i`m sure is that.
KARATE IS AWESOME.
ilc15341 2 years ago
enoeda lose
Guidomacedo 2 years ago
great video, thanks for putting here. shows real class of masters. who wants to see what is karate like, watch this video.
NonEvernoThing 2 years ago
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Obviously, two absolutel karateka legends. However, this video doesnt do them justice, its rubbish! Get rid of it!
Terryhasnopubes 2 years ago
nice ... old school the best .....
northside420 2 years ago
this is not real ju kumite. it seems to be enbu
redtommy83 2 years ago
Cool mix with the judo moves ........... interesting
l2a3sterling 2 years ago
Lol.
Did Kanazawa attempt an osoto-gari? Then followed with a tomoe-nage?
brickshooter 2 years ago
Actually that looks like an osoto-gari attempt followed by Uki Waza or Yoko Wakari ( it is not clear to me), anyway it is one of the most finest throwing techniques.
leocmen 2 years ago
that is actually nague-waza techniques from old ju-jutso school. Original Karate´s kumite allows Nague Waza. Today people think Judo is a set of techniques, but actually is something very different. Karate evolved from some of the Ju-Jutso techniques (Atemi-Waza), while Jigoro Kano adopted some other areas of Ju-jutso in his style, creating Kano Ryu Ju justo. The term Judo was created many years later (1925) when the book "Judo: The Modern School of Jiu-Jitsu" was written by Tomita.
leocmen 2 years ago
@leocmen What text did you get that from? Why is this story, which can't be backed up by real, researched material always being passed around? Please let me know. Some of he credible resources I have are: Shotokan: A Precise History by Harry Cook. Karate-Do, My Way of Life by Gichin Funakoshi, Okinawan Karate-Do by Shoshin Nagamine, so on and so forth. They all say otherwise, so what are your sources. Gichin Funakoshi himself says that Jujitsu and Karate-Do are not the same.
Bassai 2 years ago
Actually you are correct. Jujutso and Karate-Do are not the same. Jujutso is a kind of broad term to envelop a huge set ot techniques. Master Funakoshi was actually speaking in terms of deepness and true. Do you Funakoshi and Kano had a deeop respect by each other? DO you know Kano had a deep respect in regards to Ueshipa O-Sensei? The root is the same, however the leafs are very different.
leocmen 2 years ago 3
Yes. Kano invited Funakoshi to do a demonstration in the Kodokan. He also offered a job to Funakoshi by proposing an Atemi-Waza department in the Kodokan too. But Funakoshi politely declined because he wanted his art to flourish on its own. Some of Funakoshi's students trained with Ueshiba as well, such as Koishi, who founded the Shindo-Jinen -RYu school (Ryobu-Kai). Otsuka, founder of Wado-Ryu Karate-Do became a student of Funakoshi when he was already a respected Jujitsu master in Tokyo.
Bassai 2 years ago
@leocmen Correction to my original post... The student was Konishi, who was a captain of his college boxing team, as well as a Jujitsu practioner, before he started learning Karate-Do from Funakoshi. He later trained with Ueshiba and learned Aikido. He started the school Shindo Jinen Ryu (Ryobukai) which is also part of the Japan Karate Federation (JKF)
Bassai 2 years ago
Karate - do is from India, by way of China, by way of Okinawa, to be further refined in Japan after Funakoshi brought it over. Jujitsu is organic Japanese, as is Judo, Kendo.
ndileonardo 2 years ago
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Bassai 2 years ago
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@ndileonardo To say Japanese Karate came from Jujitsu would be wrong. Jujitsu may have some influences over Karate , after it was introduced to Japan. The Okinawans had there own knowledge of grappling (most evident in traditional Okinawa styles like Goju-Ryu), but Funakoshi himself explicitly differentiates both in his book, Karate-Do My Way of Life. Otsuka and Konishi were both early students of Funakoshi and masters of Judo/Jujitsu, but they did not control Shotokan curriculum.
Bassai 2 years ago
@ndileonardo The problem with over generalizing ideas can lead to distortions of the truth. To give credit to India of the origins of Karate-Do is too much a generalization because there are minute details such as the practice of Japanese kata which cannot be traced to any Indian martial art. Neither can the roots of any Japanized Karate kata be traced to Jujitsu simply because there are no connections to both. Unless you can show me or name a Judo/Jujitsu kata that connects.
Bassai 2 years ago
Dude...read Funakoshi's own books. The martial arts we practice today came from the Shaolin temple, where the monks were trained by an Indian warrior. The styles moved eastward and integrated with LESS FORMAL fighting styles . From there, the styles evolved on their own. Do not get too hung up on dogma. Martial arts are martial arts...
ndileonardo 2 years ago
@ndileonardo I know what Bodhidharma did in China, but to say Chinese fighting systems would not evolve without his influence is too much of a broad speculation. Despite what Funakoshi had said, its hard to trace it to India simply through its ties to the origins of Shaolin. If I mix boxing, BJJ and Karate, which I had learned in America, do I say that the history of my style comes from different countries, or from America? So to say Karate came from India?
Bassai 2 years ago
@ndileonardo I do have four of Funakoshi's translated books: Karate-Do Kyohan, Karate-Do Nyumon, Karate-Do: My Way of Life, and his first book, To-Te Jitsu. I'm a history student and I love Karate-Do history, not just Shotokan but the other styles as well. I think its important not to generalize things, especially in the martial arts because the work and recognition of many great teachers get diluted and forgotten, along with valuable lessons such as kata application and its real purpose.
Bassai 2 years ago
@ndileonardo It can be said that Jujitsu had it's influences on Karate after its introduction to Japan, but to say that the origins of Karate-Do lie in Jujitsu would be wrong. Okinawan grappling is evident in many Okinawan styles such as Goju-Ryu and Shorin Ryu, but those techniques developed in Okinawa and there is no evidence of its connection to a certain style of Japanese Jujitsu. Funakoshi himself maintains the difference between the two arts in his book, "Karate-Do, My Way of Life".
Bassai 2 years ago
I took a shit in the cubical when master kanazawa was in the other one who else can say that xD
poor guy has arthritis in his hips =/
Patcherson 2 years ago 5
hahahahahaahahahahahaha
brinnonvallere 2 years ago
4 some reason i envy u lol wish i was taking tht shit XD
Zowez 2 years ago
@Zowez its quite fragrant :P
Patcherson 2 years ago
lol
Zowez 2 years ago
@Zowez you'll envy me more so after i tell u this i was talking to both of em about why violence breeds violence for like an hour after the training xD
Patcherson 2 years ago
Kanazawa was able to sleep at the bus stop, standing and waiting for the bus, he once told us.
He also was able to move each toe seperately.
i trained with him and enoeda and h.ochi....all three
impresseive and charismatic persons.
Maldoror123 2 years ago 2
I'm Glad that sensei enoeda, sensei mori, sensei kanazawa and many other famous karate names have taught my sensei.
FinArkal 2 years ago
kanazawa is like the leading man in kaarte atm , a 10th dan , and still living and teaches lol
vivalaskelton 2 years ago
more so than Okazaki? Hmmm...
ndileonardo 2 years ago
OSS !
MasOyama10dan 2 years ago
really interesting to watch. thanks for this.
fatmaccam 2 years ago
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It is about scoring, not fighting in a cage waiting for blood... At least they look good, realness!
iamaloady 2 years ago
Don't waste your time. If its not in a cage, they're not interested. That's all they know. Osu.
njtr 2 years ago 4
i don't think this is an exhibition. I think this is one of the first All-Japan Karate tournaments held in the late 50's. The guy wearing a black coat at the end of the video is a ref.
That's the time were karate was deemed "brutal." I think it lies in the practitioner if he can make his martial art brutal.
ShinSuperSaiyajin 3 years ago
when was this taken? what were there dan ranks back then?
whateva1983 3 years ago
For Riyania: I trained with both starting in the 1960s, lived with Kanazawa Sensei. Enoeda was a high rank in another style, started all over in Shotokan, training very hard. Kanazawa has an astonishing mind, which gave him a strategic edge over many masters. In college, he slept 4 hours & spent much of the waking hours training. No one trains quite so hard now. Also, he was the most charismatic man of high character I have met, & that includes the 14 Japanese masters I've trained with.
sfkcbf 3 years ago 20
@sfkcbf you may know my parents then if u trained with kanazawa as they (my parents) were 2 of assano and kanazawas first ever students when they arrived in the uk. my parents are David glover and sandra phillis as was :0)
princess1972sav 1 year ago
@sfkcbf I'd say the mma and kickboxing pros train extremely hard everyday for years and years. Most of the hardcore dedicated people moved away from karate into the contact arts starting in the late seventies when Karate went more mainstream.
deejin25 1 year ago
@sfkcbf You are cool!!! I've got my first grading comming up in a month and i think kanazawa is comming over here (Ireland) for the last time!! I cant wait to meet him! Really happy to be doing a grading under him as well :)
Mistabutts 1 year ago
@Mistabutts If you have a chance to meet, train, test with Master Kanazawa, then you are very fortunate. If any human can truly master karate, he is the example. More importantly is his admirable character, a master of karate-do. In a world filled with brutality and banality, he is a rare example of a gentleman with great personal power. I keep his picture on my wall and his example in my heart.
sfkcbf 1 year ago 20
@Mistabutts LUCKY!!
soparamens 1 year ago
@soparamens Thanks man just back from it there! He double graded me!! :) he was a really nice guy!! :)
Mistabutts 1 year ago
@sfkcbf WHat do you mean Enoeda was high ranking in another style? Did he train something else than Shotokan at first?
MariusWM 8 months ago
@MariusWM Yes, Mr. Enoeda trained in Japan with another school and received a fairly high rank. He then observed Shotokan / JKA and decided to start over. Mind you, the first school where he trained was far better than so many of the modern "schools" in many locations throughout the world today. Still, he saw were scientific, stragetically practical karate was higher quality than various "styles" that people have come up with. He later proved it on more than one occasion defending himself.
sfkcbf 8 months ago
video is creepy, 10 years ago Sensei Enoeda was instructing me, now he's gone for ever, oh dear :(
sweetypie000 3 years ago 4
zajebiście
Radosz8 3 years ago
00:40 nice yoko geri =)
gazpart07 3 years ago
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two jap masters flocking around..
brinnonvallere 3 years ago
This looks like a video made in London 1965, during a tour of 4 JKA masters, including these masters. I think it is an exhibition not a real competition kumite. Both senseis are great, legends (if you want to). There is no referee also stopping the action.Any how, if it is just an exhibition or not is beyond the point. I admire the technique and the quality of these two human beings.
dchulala 3 years ago 2
i have never seen these 2 master before, what makes them very unique? so to speak
riyanla 3 years ago
In my opinion it wasn't a real fight, more a demonstration.
Nice to see though.
pat13wx 3 years ago
two tiger, two legend. -amazing
mclteam 3 years ago
2 great karate masters,thanks
jimmcom 3 years ago
staged.... ?
be careful of how you judge others - it says a lot about your own values.
this footage is from a time, before karate was 'for sale', there is no logic to the thought of staging such a fight.
risborg 3 years ago
staged but pretty cool.
Shotokan is best KUGB 4 ever :P
sweetypie000 3 years ago
wasnt staged im afraid this is them actually scrapping. karate isn't how it was back then so i dont blame u nor think as u as the internet spam term noob for thinking that. i could be wrong but im pretty pretty sure it wasn't.
rookie66 3 years ago
well, i've sparred with the late Sensei Enoeda, trained with him, Kenneth Funokoshi too and was a member of Marshall Street for 3years so no noob here. Total Shotokan i've done in years - omg 24 in total WOW !
:)
sweetypie000 3 years ago
ahh i see :) u really think it was staged though? having that immense knowlegde of fighting and having sparred with Enoeda yourself?
rookie66 3 years ago
Hi. It looked real to me. I think they respected eachother so much that they were being really cautious of eachother. Maybe that's why it looked staged. I have no way of knowing though. I can also see your argument. Either way, it was just sparring. They definitely weren't trying to kill eachother. Both have given so much to Shotokan. I liked the chudan kizama geri right as the one was coming in. That could have been followed up with a nice oi zuki jodan.Greetings from across the pond. Oss.
njtr 3 years ago
These guys could land lethal strikes. You combine that with the ethos of 'one punch kill' and 'no first move' and you end up with very quick exchanges. There's lots and lots of good karate in that I think, although I'm only a novice I admit. Besides, what reason would these guys have to stage kumite? It's not like they're afraid of being hit or anything...
IamtheLordofDoom 3 years ago
all i have to say is beautiful reverse take down...
kdrfox2 3 years ago
That yoko geri is so great
iamaloady 3 years ago
Hi all, would really like to start karate but there are two diff kind of clubs by me one is JKA and the other SKIF can anyone explain the difference please?
gdataggy 3 years ago
The organisation i largely irrelevant, the most important thing is the standard of tuition. Visit both clubs and select based on what you see.
R0CKY44 3 years ago 9
I would agree with ROCKY44. Both schools teach Japanese Shotokan Karate & both these fighters were JKA members at the time of this video(1974). JKA was founded in 1955 by Funakoshi. Kanazawa broke away & started his own organization in 1977(SKIF). So much depends on the quality of the instruction at the dojos near you as to which would be preferable. I started training JKA in the 60's - Kanazawa & Enoeda were 2 of many quality karate-ka produced by the JKA.
sanval1a 3 years ago
the difference is not in style but location ..jka = japanese karate association ...skif = shotokan karate international federation which incidentally broke away from tokyo based jka around 1971
there is also the skief = shotokan karate international european federation that is headed by kanazawa kancho 10th dan.. here in the u.k. it's chief instructor is shiro asano hanshi 9th dan whom i have trained with many times in the past ...i hope this answers your question ...
brothercasey 3 years ago
Not to split hairs with you since most people don't care about these details but before I replied on this subject I checked the SKIF website & it says that Mr. Kanazawa founded SKIF in 1977. The SKIEF website says that Kanazawa & others incuding Mr. Asano founded SKIEF in 1974.
sanval1a 3 years ago
my thanks to you sanval1a for your welcome correct information
brothercasey 3 years ago
Hi gdataggy. Ive done karate 4 seven years (im 15). I dunno about SKIF, but JKA is Japanese Karate Association. Basically, about 3 or 4 years ago, there was a main body of karate called KUGB, run by Sensei Enoeda. When Sensei Enoeda died, Sensei Sherry took over the KUGB, but about 1/3 of the KUGB disagreed with this and set up a new club (JKA) under Sensei Otah. Basically, there are only bueracratic differences, but personally, I think KUGB is better ;) Both clubs practice Shotokan.
Jman
jeromesingh 3 years ago
dude, don't bother with that, the main thing is that you train up your skills and everything...go for a martial art...everything is good as long it helps and you learn something by it...style is not different,if you train karate and tae kwon do,the style is different, but karate is pretty much the same...
AlphMarco 3 years ago
@gdataggy they r just diffrent organizeations, im not sure if its the same style but i know JKA is shotokan and im not sure wat SKIF is but there should be much diffrence in between them just little things really. i hope this has helped in some way
stefrees10 1 year ago
@stefrees10 both organizations are Shotokan. JKA is the first Shotokan organization, and Kanazawa was part of it until he was hit with the proposal to become chief instructor of SKIF. I train with two instructors in my town, one who has 4 dans in JKA, and the other 2 dans in SKIF. Whit the JKA instructor we do almost just kumite and kumite techniques. For a beginner I would not recomand that. From kumite you can't learn form and you don't develop strenght and mobility.
touretul 1 year ago
godly...
getupusook 3 years ago
wished i knew what year this is from.. im thinking 1964
salstream 3 years ago
The technique on both is superb, but i prefer Kanazawa...
soparamens 3 years ago
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I don't know which one was which, but that takedown was awesome! I love seeing the techniques under actual pressure! It gives you confirmation that this stuff is real! Excellent footage.
WarriorBoy 3 years ago
Kanazawa sweeping technique.
sanval1a 3 years ago
the yoko geri must fukin hurt man if any1 who ran into that would of hit the deck straight away but nuthin can bring down the tiger:>(Y)
gazeleyboi 3 years ago
a very good fight indeed. very sharp and powerful movements. i can't wait to get back in trainning when my exams are over!!
JoshiroXD 3 years ago
The most beautiful karate kumite I've seen bar none. This is more than a fight, you can clearly see that they exchange feelings in each of their moves. Truly this made me want to practice shotokan once again, even after all these years...
Karakta 3 years ago
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I shall be the next Kanazawa.
fightoflife4 3 years ago
O YES!
iamaloady 3 years ago
work hard!!!
WolfgangTheArchitect 3 years ago
These men are truly the embodiment of karate-do. In the '60's they would visit and guest instruct at Mr. Nishiyama's dojo in LA where I