@RJF1966 I have to say your knowledge is impeckable its good to see some people still know what their talking about. Yes but Battleships were always vunerable to air attack and was part of their downfall. Though what I was always saying was that although the missiles would never have sank the Missouri it would have cost lives. My main concern would have been to damage to surrounding minesweepers which could have caused large nubers of deaths.
@RFJ1966 Also as regards the level of damage and the level of casualties, it would depend on the altitude and angle of impact of the missile. As the silkworms fired at the Missouri were early models they flew at 100-300m therefore they would impact at quite a high angle and would likely impact the deck. At the speed they travel they would have considerable energy and could cause significant damage.
@pquinn448 a 2400lb shell moving at 3000fps has alot more kinitic energy than a silkworm..weight and speed are the navel guns forte..the silkwork just doent have it..a hypersonic missle like the Brahmos would do more damage but then again there is no subsitute for heavy navel armor..the bridge has-17.3 in,main belt has 12.1in,main deck 1.5 followed by a 4.75 and .5 inch splinter plate under that.Also keep in mind the Bikini tests and the battleships didnt sink with that. Regardless i would hurt
@RJF1966 Yes the naval battle of Guadalcanal was a great tactical battle particularly Washingtons tactic in the sinking of the Kirishima. I agree with you that the silkworms would never have sunk the Missouri, I always said that they would not sink it, what I was refering to was that if they had hit they would have taken lives, particularly if they hit the minehunters.
@RJF1966 yes I agree with you that even two silkworm missiles would not have sunk the Missouri however the could still have caused considerable damage and would have likely have resulted in the deaths of sailors. Also if one of those silkworm missiles hit one of the minehunters around missouri it would have obliterated it killing many.
@pquinn448 there was a battle in guadalcanal during ww2 the South Dakota and Washington engaged the Kirishima along with the Washington ...the Dakota took most of the hits from the Kirshima...some 70+s from 14 and 6 inch shells..and she didnt sink..she was back in action in a few weeks. That is alot more firepower than 2 silkworms and the Iowa class is a better ship. IT would have killed sailors no doubt but it would not have done much damage.
@mitymo1968 And what do you think about Sa'ar 5 frigates-corvetes? I know they are on another category, but what do you think of theses small vessels?
(Continued) very sticky situation in what was the first (and only) successful missile vs missile engagement at sea in combat by any Navy. Even the US navy does not hold that achievement. Also those missiles could have completely obliterated any of the minehunters surrounding Missouri at that time.
@383stroker123 Yes I agree that the role of HMS Gloucester in saving the Missouri was not a excessively major one as the Silkworm missile would have been unlikely to cause fatal damage to the Missouri's 310mm belt armour and therefore probably not have sunk the battleship even with its massive 513kg warhead although there can be no doubt that the swift and precise action of the crew of Gloucester saved the lives of multiple American sailors and saved big mo from what would have been at least a
@pquinn448 i highly doubt that that silkworm would have hurt the Big Mo...she was designed to take 16 inch plunging fire and was built to go toe to toe with the Yamato Class battleship..also remember WW2 Era battleships did not sink duing the Bikini atoll atomic tests in many occasions...the Big Mo was a better designed warship for its time than those ships..but im sure that the HMS Gloucester did save lives from the hit
I don't understand why the US retired the entire Spruance DD class, which was a much more capable platform than these perry class "patrol boats". The Perrys cannot carry Tomahawks, were stuck with the SM-1 before the launchers were removed in 03, and have only one 3 inch gun. They should retire the entire class and build a few more Burkes instead. About the only thing they are good at is tracking subs and littoral combat. They ought to send all of them off the coast of Somalia and go hunting
I never did care for the Perry Class, they are ok to ride on. As far as HMS saving Missouri your wrong , i respect the British Navy but the USN does it better.
0:55 ... this data are wrong. Since 2001 the Oliver Hazard Perry class has no anti-air and anti-ship missiles. The missile double-starter is disarmed and so they lost every ability to fire any missile.
Not hardly. Missouri was built back when they actually armored stuff, and also had the crew for damage control. As far as the Burke class can not shooting down the missile, it's probably because the Standard missile can't reach from Bath Iron Works to the Gulf, the first Burke wasn't commissioned until July '91. As for the Tico, I wasn't there and don't know why it didn't kill it.
@marks95911 Also would you bet your life on AEGIS being able to match or better the record of Sea Wolf in combat such as the Falklands when it was only 3 years old and untested? I would think not
@marks95911 By the way HMS Coventry was not lost because Sea wolf failed, but because it evasively manoeuvred in front of Broadsword, breaking Broadsword's radar lock. It was not the missiles fault, but the fault of both ships navigators and commanders to communicate properly in battle
@marks95911 yes I know that and as I said before sea wolf was very new at this stage and teething problems are to be expected in new technology. At the time Sea Wolf was reguarded the best point defense system in the world and arguably still is. Yes it failed a few times but overall its combat record was very good.
@marks95911 Also sea wolf was very new at this stage teething problems are to be expected in new technology...look at sea viper or the problems with the US Aegis system when it was new. Sea Wolf has a very good record in combat.
@marks95911 I'm not saying that Sea Dart is the best missile system ever made as it is only a short range point defense missile however I do believe it is the best of its type. Also I'm afraid you are wrong again as HMS Glasgow was not lost, only damaged and I suggest you update your limited knowledge. You are right about the failure of sea wolf a few times, however this was the underpowered computer's fault, not the missiles
@randomrail 1 silkworm missile would of defo of sunk USS missouri its a 2 tonne missile with a 500kg warhead and its funny how a arleigh burke class and ticonderoga class could not shoot the missile down
@stalkingalizee also note that the OHP has curently no medium range SAM as the Mk 13 launchers have been removed from the ships as the SM-1MR was retired in 2003 therefore the OHP's only have point defense systems as well, inferior gun based systems. Also phalanx systems from the Type 42's may be refitted to the dukes
@stalkingalizee good point that they are quite different however the reason that the Dukes don't have CIWS guns is that Sea Wolf is so vastly superior as an anti-missile weapon to these gun systems that they are simply not worth the bother. By the time Type 23's were rolling off the stocks the RN had already determined that both Phalanx and Goalkeeper were completely inadequate even against a threat like Exocet. Note that the RN stopped buying these things a long time ago.
@pquinn448 i think your opinion of sea wolf is a little inflated .during the falkland 2 ships were lost because of sea wolf wolf failing .hms glasgow and the coventry were both victims as hms broadswords system failed as did hms brilliant .
@pquinn448 Even though 23s were commissioned a whole decade after OHP, it isn't necessarily better. SM-1 is a medium range SAM verses Sea Wolf which is point defence. Type 23s have no fleet defence capability at all. OHPs have Phalanx while 23s do not. 23s do have better sonar. OHP is an all around FFG while 23s specialise in ASW. One is not better than the other as it is different jobs.
@leonwiganer cus i no something aboiut the armed forces and clearly u dont from what u said on here. dosent make someone a geek u retard i like to no what my tax paying money is going on.
and cus im not in the armed forces dosent mean i dont no anything u dont have to be in there to know something u fool,
at least i can get things right unlike u who clearly is out of his depth and gets to many things wrong u want me to name and own u on them lol
Most of the Perry Class has been decommissioned. I believe there are only 30 still in service, and many of their weapons have been removed because if incompatibility with newer systems.
i think the funniest thing about you is that you believe everything the government tells you
.do you remember recently when an insider leaked the expenses mps were spending on themselves ie moat cleaning etc. or in the usa case wikileaks exposing civilians being killed . under your way of thinking the governments would have published those things before they were exposed.ofcourse newspapers exagerate or get it wrong .but the governments are the biggest liars of all.
@leonwiganer because there building more ddg51 instead because they have decided to improve and redesign all there future capabilities but kept the hull design because its cheaper than the ddg1000 .its not that there not building just as many new ships
@marks95911 dont no why u keep going on about the Uk armed froces being cut when USA IS just the same as many other nations i came name loads of stuff the usa has cut or will cut
the usa alone is haveing masssvie cuts to to mention in the defecne budget as well ,
and u think the UK is faceing 25% cuts ur talking out of ur ass or reading to much newspaper no one knows what sort of cuts its going to be and like i said the usa and other nations are following suit so stop making out the usa is not cutting it is to tackle its huge debt!
@fairman3456 acctually mate you are the one that resorts to silly comments wityh no basis in truth thats why i dont even bother talking to you .get owned lmao . you dont wanna talk in facts and truths , instead of your usual rants and rubbish comments let me know ,but ive tried with you several times .try reading or if you cant do that watch the news occasionally instead of coranation st
@marks95911 talk facts? thats why u delete ur message lOOL fool when u got owned u come out with crap , jsyt face it usa is facing cuts as the next nation its u that cant get over this fact
@fairman3456 i already know that your gonna say ahhh yes but the usa cut the ddg 1000 or some other project lol and this shows why your a moron because all militarys build things and test them and then decide either to build somthing else or to incorperate some of the ideas into other projects .
i was having a conversation (with someone else by the way ) about the upcoming budget cuts n what will they mean to the uk .you only like to read government website s for your news ,good for you
@marks95911 the economy he inherited was toxic from top to bottom. The country was on the brink of a potentially severe depression; it was fighting two, essentially unaffordable wars; the budget deficit was spiralling out of control; jobs were being shed at the rate of nearly one million a month; public debt was on a catastrophically unsustainable trajectory.
@fairman3456 lol i deleted if you wanna know because ive tried talking to you before and i know im talking to a brick wall that wont listen to reason .the us defence budget if you wanna know has grown and is now at its highest levels ever .the usa alone accounts for %46.5 of the total amount spent on defence of the whole world .at the current rates the usa spends around $929 billion in 2000 359 billion .the reason why you annoy me is simple .you dont read
@marks95911 it shows how inscure u are writing 1000000 comments that i cant be bothered to read , just face it the usa is bankrupt its not gowing alot , it has hudge debts like the rest of us and is facing deep cuts like any other nations ur to proud to see this so run along
@fairman3456 lmao .there are huge debts and things are a mess in the usa and most of the western world ,why would i be to proud to admit that lol .we were just talking between 2 people about the massive DEFENCE cuts that the UK was making because its in the NEWS !!!!!!!!!!!!!.that in oct the strategic defence review will take place.the usa has not annouced it will cut its defence budget ,but maybe they will in the future .in fact i hope they will
@fairman3456 so that being said and i already know youll come up with some stupid crap ,ill tell you simply the uk in oct will announce cuts to defence budget between %10-%25 thats all we were discussing .they are the biggest cuts in a long time due to the financial crisis .should the usa be cutting too ,yes but they are not at the moment
go and find a 16 year that you can impress and "own" as you put it you fucking idiot . i will delete these comments to in a couple of days too moron
@leonwiganer because you just make things up im sending you some key points about your ships .aside from the fact that the uk could not afford to build the twelve ships they nneeded because they were replacing 14 type 42s .the royal navy requested twelve and twelve were planned but over time the budget was cut and the navy was told they would have to make do with 6 to replace 14
@leonwiganer errr how do you know what there cutting mate have you read the defence review ,if so you should call the priminister cos he has seen it yet .there cutting alot of things mate and many expect the army to be cut to around 75,000 men
@leonwiganer i honestley think you live in a dream wiorld because you can go on every news channel ,bbc sky etc and they all say the same thing in october the defence review is coming and the mod has told the armed forces to expect cutbacks of %25 accross the board and they are scamberling to see what equipment will be cut ... read mate first then get back to me
@leonwiganer there is no money to buy any new ships you idiot the whole of the uks military budget is getting cut by %25 and the major problem is replacing trident .youy can forget any new ships for years to come .in october u are going to see the axe chopping major parts of all of the british military .read it your self in the strategic defense review .stop making these comments without really taking a look at the news
You dont need the most advanced ship in the work to be better than anyone else... just look at how a Swedish diesel electric sub,manned primarily by conscripts,totally humbled the mighty US navy,in exercises in 2005 (hms Gotland and the Reagan carrier battle group, (if you want to google it)
@1STACCS LOL thats the hole point of training with other nations there all war games just like Red Flag. and i dont think spending millions on setting some thing like this up could be considered college kids playing laser tag. You racest!
@fairman3456 well now u are a thick cunt cos you didnt read what i said the search n rescue was a completley seperate thing .the mod yesterday announced massive cuts in defense spending n major projects are to be cut.i said the analyst on channel 4 said the jsf was at risk not me smart boy
@fairman3456 also just so u know the zummwalt class was not cancelled because of cutback it was cancelled because of cost over runs deeming it to expensive at 3 billion just to build it .so there just carrying on building upgraded arliegh burke class with upgraded aegies .a system that acctually works unlike yours ,which have still never been able to fire a missile off a ship yet
@marks95911 arliegh burke class with upgraded aegies .a system that acctually works unlike your
so u want to upgrade a ship that is ALREADY very old loool
nothing shocks me with usa that has old ships,
and ur talking abou 1 inccendent where a aster 45 didnt fire , it dosent mean al type 45 didnt u retard, seeing as there brand new
and seeing as type 45 can fire all missles at once where as burker can only do 1 evey 3 sec lol, the type 45 costs alot more , has a far more cable radar
@fairman3456 lol you reallky are dumb the typoe 45 still does not have a working missile system and it has NEVER fired a missile yet .also the newer version of the burke has upgraded radar that is capable of acting as a balistic missile shield against nuclear threats .just one of the tiers that the usa has against nuclear missiles .thaad patriot,airborne laser .does the uk have that or is again up to the usaq to protect you
@fairman3456 lol you say it cos one missile that didnt fire lol how about they dont have missile on board cos its not working lol .so it can fire all its missile at once in theory and thats all oh it does have a gun on the front that works so its not completly useless .hopefully when the cuts come thyey dont cut any more of those back .cos in myy opinion there going to cut your sub fleet even more
@fairman3456 5 Years is nothing to a navy ship. The Nimitz is 35 years old and is one of the most advanced ships in the world. The Two most advaced ships in the world are the Ronald Reagan and the George H. W. Bush.
@1STACCS also i wouldnt say the nimitz is one of the most advaned in the world, not at all, there are ships from other nations in terms of tech that is better,
but nimitz is the most powerfull ship but not advaded not by a long shoot
@fairman3456 R u talking about the Nimtz Class or the USS Nimitz itself. The last two 5.5 billion dollare supercarries, the Reagan and Bush, are the most advanced warships around.
i was talking about the older nimitz carriers and even then the new reagon and bush are not the most advaned in the world , u would say that cus ur ameierrcan and clearly dont look at what other nations ships,
they are good ships but there are far more advaed ships than the bush
@fairman3456 anyway soon with the cuts your going to have around 80-90k troops a navy with around 20-25 major ships if you can call frigates major .its a good thing were you ally or you wouldnt be able to fight a major war or throw any political weight as no onne would listen to such a puny nation with no military might
@marks95911 wouldnt be able to fight a major war or throw any political weight as no onne would listen to such a puny nation
sorry but this bit made me laugh lol
a nation that is a permment UN member a nuke power, largest defecne navy airfroce in europe 2nd in nato ,, 2nd most carrier fleet in world and is build 2 65,000 lool right puney? lol get real
the 7 billion cut yesterday wasent just for the armed forces its all tyupes of things,
such as the stone hendge visitetr centre etc
no front line equipment of the armed forces has been cut the only thing i saw that was part of the armed forces was the sarach and rescue stuff now im not even bothered about something that is used for civiliian work,
the future lyns is postpond untill 2013 anf the new fres vehcincles some have been ordered
@fairman3456 whats really funny is you said no instead of know you retard .anyway enjoy your life as a rubbish collector should i say bin man .lol the you have the nerve to call other people stupid .keep reading the goverment spin sites or the sun n then make excuses for everything .your obviously incapable of any real discussion
@marks9591 it shows how thick u are not be getting any JSF? loll so the 2.5 billion we invested in it lol not to mention BAE sytems is building some of the parts loolll that really made me laugh
do u really want me to start talking about usa cuts?
the carrier fleet will be cut to 7 in 2021, they already cut the number from 14 to just 11 now lol
ONLY 3 G.FORD. has been ordered for different stages ,
60 year old fleet tankers not being replaced yet, only 3 zimit desttoyers being built ha
@marks9591 you dont no nout do u thay have aready paid 8 billion in the makeing of the f-35 thay have aready had 2 f-35 for testing thay are not gona cut the programe and there defo not cutting british troops by 20 -25% because iv been in royal marines for 4 years and since i join the size of the marines as gone up 20%
@marks9591 i think your wrong because the super carriers and all the over major projects have been signed and are a go ahead and we will get more money under conservative
@marks9591 The Labour minister in charge of military equipment hinted today at a possible increase in the defence budget after the election despite the financial crisis
Quentin Davies, Minister for Defence, Equipment and Support, said that spending was already set to rise in real terms by 1.5 per cent in the next financial year
@marks9591 wot are u onabout the british military buget as been riseing for past 20 years we are getting a load new fres and are getting loads of new navy warships we have 19 under construction as we speak plus we have just spend £20billion on the eurofighter were getting 2 new super carriers plus about 180f-35 and we have the new lynx wildcat are buget keep riseing
@marks9591 looks like u dont no much then because MOD as just give BAE something like 500 million to start the programe for the drawings and so on so its deffo not been cancelled
@marks9591 sorry but what a person from the usa know anything about the RN?
as clearly stated in ur comment , just come down to earth will u ,
the type 26 cant be canclled as they will replace the type 22 and 23 what will replace them @?.
2nd they are not canclled as the goverment has paid BAE systems 568 million for the desgins studies etc for it so ur wrong , maybe u should do more research before u comment
@confederateman04dc 453 feet for the ships fitted w/ RAST system & SH-60's...445 feet for the older hulls outfitted w/ SH-2's. Both hulls maintain 48 foot beam.
@BrianMRiches OHP class frigates have a radar(or manual)-guided 76mm gun amidships, on the 02 level (top deck of superstructure)...I remember the magazine having a 100+ round capacity. When it fires, dust and crap fall out of all the overheads and cable-runs on the ship (you learn to cover your dinner if you're on the mess deck).
lol the Duke Class(Type 23) are much much more capable ships. They have harpoon Anti-ship missiles, a proper VLS and the best sonar system in the world - the Oliver Hazard Perry class have none of these.
@wiganerrmc Actually in US service, the Oliver Hazard Perry don't have any missile atall. They used to have a Mk 13 launcher, but that wasn't compatible with the SM-2 missile. So when they withdrew the SM-1, they simply took the missile launcher off. The OHP's only air defence is it's single Phalanx CIWS and other than that it depends on other ships to protect it. Type 23 wins this one hands down. Although it's clear that the US has the superior fleet, the RN definitely has the superior frigate.
Interesting shot of USS Stark in the Persian Gulf in 1987 after having taken friendly fire from two Iraqi (French supplied) Exocet anti-ship missiles. The listing is actually due to poor fire fighting management and not the structural damage (the firefighters simply used more water than was judged necessary in the final inquiry, & the weight of the water caused the ship to list heavily to port). 37 crew were killed in the attack, but the ship was salvaged & returned to service quickly.
Correction: HMAS Adelaide is now a diving reef, lol, HMAS Newcastle, Darwin, Sydney & one other have been upgraded significantly to keep them in service with the RAN for another 10 years or so until the new batch of F100 based destroyers are delivered.
@DarkestManager Defintely agree that the Duke is superior to the Perry frigates. We have to remember though that the USN ones were designed in the early 1970's, but the Dukes are much newer, the USN is retiring it's Hazards. Infact they have removed the Mk13 launcher & magazine entirely. It has no SM1 SAM or Harpoon capability now, only it's 76mm & CIWS they are lame ducks. You should check out what the RAN has done to it's 4 Hazards (HMAS Adelaide, etc), they've up gunned them fantastically.
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ive picked up a few faults in your facts about the duke class frigate, our towed array sonar is our secondary sonar our primary being type 2050, and also we have 2 spey gas turbines each putting out 25000 shp, and close in weapon systems, and that's before we arm them up to perform an ASW role
The FFG is the most capable Frigate ever built. As rentnation said, two have been hit and they still managed to return home. If you want to compare the FFG to the duke class, have a look at the Australian upgraded FFGs with the Mk 41 VLS giving it the ESSM capability. You also forgot that the Duke class was designed as a multirole Frigate and the FFG as a long range escort and anti-air warfare as its primary role. Just a couple of suggestions.
Perrys are good for a 70's design bear in mind a duke was designed late 80's and into the 90's dukes are multi role and have advantages the current USN perrys have no VLS or MK13 launchers making them pure ASW unit where the duke can operate alone ASW ASUW and AAW if need be, duke is also a long range escort at 18 knots it will go for 8,000miles unlike the perry 6,500 at same speed before a re fuel.
kind of downplayed oliver hazard perry's statistics, then exaggerated the duke class statistics.
andrewm153351 1 month ago
HAHAHAHA, the Royal Navy has large numbers of frigates???? Were a joke, a costal defence force at best!!
mudguard05 2 months ago
To name the US Navy and the Royal Navy in one sentence is weird.
anonymusum 4 months ago
The Perry Class is a 1970's design, as pointed out by others.. the US Navy is in dire NEED of a true, 21st Century anti-submarine frigate.
lpuig73 4 months ago
The OHP was never intended to be a first class combatant ship, more of just a gloryfied OPV...
Semeiron 6 months ago
@RJF1966 I have to say your knowledge is impeckable its good to see some people still know what their talking about. Yes but Battleships were always vunerable to air attack and was part of their downfall. Though what I was always saying was that although the missiles would never have sank the Missouri it would have cost lives. My main concern would have been to damage to surrounding minesweepers which could have caused large nubers of deaths.
pquinn448 6 months ago
@RFJ1966 Also as regards the level of damage and the level of casualties, it would depend on the altitude and angle of impact of the missile. As the silkworms fired at the Missouri were early models they flew at 100-300m therefore they would impact at quite a high angle and would likely impact the deck. At the speed they travel they would have considerable energy and could cause significant damage.
pquinn448 6 months ago
@pquinn448 a 2400lb shell moving at 3000fps has alot more kinitic energy than a silkworm..weight and speed are the navel guns forte..the silkwork just doent have it..a hypersonic missle like the Brahmos would do more damage but then again there is no subsitute for heavy navel armor..the bridge has-17.3 in,main belt has 12.1in,main deck 1.5 followed by a 4.75 and .5 inch splinter plate under that.Also keep in mind the Bikini tests and the battleships didnt sink with that. Regardless i would hurt
RJF1966 6 months ago
@RJF1966 Yes the naval battle of Guadalcanal was a great tactical battle particularly Washingtons tactic in the sinking of the Kirishima. I agree with you that the silkworms would never have sunk the Missouri, I always said that they would not sink it, what I was refering to was that if they had hit they would have taken lives, particularly if they hit the minehunters.
pquinn448 6 months ago
@RJF1966 yes I agree with you that even two silkworm missiles would not have sunk the Missouri however the could still have caused considerable damage and would have likely have resulted in the deaths of sailors. Also if one of those silkworm missiles hit one of the minehunters around missouri it would have obliterated it killing many.
pquinn448 6 months ago
@pquinn448 there was a battle in guadalcanal during ww2 the South Dakota and Washington engaged the Kirishima along with the Washington ...the Dakota took most of the hits from the Kirshima...some 70+s from 14 and 6 inch shells..and she didnt sink..she was back in action in a few weeks. That is alot more firepower than 2 silkworms and the Iowa class is a better ship. IT would have killed sailors no doubt but it would not have done much damage.
RJF1966 6 months ago
Oliver Hazard Perry Class are not 21 century frigates...
gmansi 7 months ago
@gmansi
totally agree with you the Duke class shits on the Oliver and noway does the Oliver cost $700m
mitymo1968 6 months ago
@mitymo1968 And what do you think about Sa'ar 5 frigates-corvetes? I know they are on another category, but what do you think of theses small vessels?
gmansi 6 months ago
(Continued) very sticky situation in what was the first (and only) successful missile vs missile engagement at sea in combat by any Navy. Even the US navy does not hold that achievement. Also those missiles could have completely obliterated any of the minehunters surrounding Missouri at that time.
pquinn448 7 months ago
@383stroker123 Yes I agree that the role of HMS Gloucester in saving the Missouri was not a excessively major one as the Silkworm missile would have been unlikely to cause fatal damage to the Missouri's 310mm belt armour and therefore probably not have sunk the battleship even with its massive 513kg warhead although there can be no doubt that the swift and precise action of the crew of Gloucester saved the lives of multiple American sailors and saved big mo from what would have been at least a
pquinn448 7 months ago
@pquinn448 i highly doubt that that silkworm would have hurt the Big Mo...she was designed to take 16 inch plunging fire and was built to go toe to toe with the Yamato Class battleship..also remember WW2 Era battleships did not sink duing the Bikini atoll atomic tests in many occasions...the Big Mo was a better designed warship for its time than those ships..but im sure that the HMS Gloucester did save lives from the hit
RJF1966 7 months ago
I don't understand why the US retired the entire Spruance DD class, which was a much more capable platform than these perry class "patrol boats". The Perrys cannot carry Tomahawks, were stuck with the SM-1 before the launchers were removed in 03, and have only one 3 inch gun. They should retire the entire class and build a few more Burkes instead. About the only thing they are good at is tracking subs and littoral combat. They ought to send all of them off the coast of Somalia and go hunting
ferrari575cc 8 months ago
So much that is wrong in this video, makes it almost worthless. And showing a DDG at the beginning didn't inspire my confidence. Nice music though!
kdum8 8 months ago
you forgot the 3inch gun and the 40mm they carry.
Nielsenkc 9 months ago
I never did care for the Perry Class, they are ok to ride on. As far as HMS saving Missouri your wrong , i respect the British Navy but the USN does it better.
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383stroker123 10 months ago
@383stroker123 But history has proven the RN, has the US navy anything like Trafalgar?
m52spy 8 months ago
could you make a comparison about a Dutch vessel (7 Provincien) vs. US vessel (Arleigh Burke) ?
MrRubendeRuiter 1 year ago
700 MILLION DOLLAR FOR A PEACE OF SHIT. Thats crassy
dennis5294 1 year ago
the last FFG in US was FFG 61, and that ship was commissioned in 1989
dustystix76 1 year ago
It's not commonly known as Duke Class, by the way. We call it a Type 23.
guntotingtomcat 1 year ago
0:55 ... this data are wrong. Since 2001 the Oliver Hazard Perry class has no anti-air and anti-ship missiles. The missile double-starter is disarmed and so they lost every ability to fire any missile.
Oliver Hazard Perry class = outdated joke
couteau86 1 year ago
Not hardly. Missouri was built back when they actually armored stuff, and also had the crew for damage control. As far as the Burke class can not shooting down the missile, it's probably because the Standard missile can't reach from Bath Iron Works to the Gulf, the first Burke wasn't commissioned until July '91. As for the Tico, I wasn't there and don't know why it didn't kill it.
randomrail 1 year ago
@marks95911 Also would you bet your life on AEGIS being able to match or better the record of Sea Wolf in combat such as the Falklands when it was only 3 years old and untested? I would think not
pquinn448 1 year ago
@marks95911 By the way HMS Coventry was not lost because Sea wolf failed, but because it evasively manoeuvred in front of Broadsword, breaking Broadsword's radar lock. It was not the missiles fault, but the fault of both ships navigators and commanders to communicate properly in battle
pquinn448 1 year ago
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@marks95911 yes I know that and as I said before sea wolf was very new at this stage and teething problems are to be expected in new technology. At the time Sea Wolf was reguarded the best point defense system in the world and arguably still is. Yes it failed a few times but overall its combat record was very good.
pquinn448 1 year ago
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@marks95911 Also sea wolf was very new at this stage teething problems are to be expected in new technology...look at sea viper or the problems with the US Aegis system when it was new. Sea Wolf has a very good record in combat.
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pquinn448 1 year ago
@marks95911 I'm not saying that Sea Dart is the best missile system ever made as it is only a short range point defense missile however I do believe it is the best of its type. Also I'm afraid you are wrong again as HMS Glasgow was not lost, only damaged and I suggest you update your limited knowledge. You are right about the failure of sea wolf a few times, however this was the underpowered computer's fault, not the missiles
pquinn448 1 year ago
@pquinn448 the computer controls are part of the missile system .so they failed and ships were damaged or lost .
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wiganerrmc 1 year ago
@marks95911 HMS gloucester saved USS missouri in the first golf war when it shot down 2 silkworm missiles muppet
wiganerrmc 1 year ago
@wiganerrmc The US Navy appreciates not having to touch the paint up on Missouri because of that.
randomrail 1 year ago
@randomrail 1 silkworm missile would of defo of sunk USS missouri its a 2 tonne missile with a 500kg warhead and its funny how a arleigh burke class and ticonderoga class could not shoot the missile down
wiganerrmc 1 year ago
Nice old, outdated, and a partially false information about the OHP Frigates.
FTWMikeDero 1 year ago
@stalkingalizee so if you take these facts into account the Type 23 Dukes seem to be the better ship.
pquinn448 1 year ago
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pquinn448 1 year ago
@stalkingalizee also note that the OHP has curently no medium range SAM as the Mk 13 launchers have been removed from the ships as the SM-1MR was retired in 2003 therefore the OHP's only have point defense systems as well, inferior gun based systems. Also phalanx systems from the Type 42's may be refitted to the dukes
pquinn448 1 year ago
@stalkingalizee good point that they are quite different however the reason that the Dukes don't have CIWS guns is that Sea Wolf is so vastly superior as an anti-missile weapon to these gun systems that they are simply not worth the bother. By the time Type 23's were rolling off the stocks the RN had already determined that both Phalanx and Goalkeeper were completely inadequate even against a threat like Exocet. Note that the RN stopped buying these things a long time ago.
pquinn448 1 year ago
@pquinn448 i think your opinion of sea wolf is a little inflated .during the falkland 2 ships were lost because of sea wolf wolf failing .hms glasgow and the coventry were both victims as hms broadswords system failed as did hms brilliant .
marks95911 1 year ago
The Type 23 dukes are vastly better ships
pquinn448 1 year ago 2
@pquinn448 Even though 23s were commissioned a whole decade after OHP, it isn't necessarily better. SM-1 is a medium range SAM verses Sea Wolf which is point defence. Type 23s have no fleet defence capability at all. OHPs have Phalanx while 23s do not. 23s do have better sonar. OHP is an all around FFG while 23s specialise in ASW. One is not better than the other as it is different jobs.
stalkingalizee 1 year ago
@leonwiganer loool yer sure LOL i remeber saying u wasent , so get off the bulll shit pretending something ur not its sad
fairman3456 1 year ago
@leonwiganer trying to be someone ur not , sad family u must hav e lol
fairman3456 1 year ago
@leonwiganer cus i no something aboiut the armed forces and clearly u dont from what u said on here. dosent make someone a geek u retard i like to no what my tax paying money is going on.
and cus im not in the armed forces dosent mean i dont no anything u dont have to be in there to know something u fool,
at least i can get things right unlike u who clearly is out of his depth and gets to many things wrong u want me to name and own u on them lol
as for u in forces lol u said u ant fool
fairman3456 1 year ago
@leonwigane me wrong again?
shalli make a list and own u again on how much stuff u dont even no and u talk as if u do , and when u do u get it wrong
if u bother to look at defecne budget instead of silly wikpida or global firepower u u will figure it out on defence budget usa
fairman3456 1 year ago
This video puts the cost per unit for OHZ at $700, huge mistake putting the cost around 3 times higher than it actually was!
TheCharlie359 1 year ago
both are great! NATO rules forever!!
88ABRAMS88 1 year ago
Most of the Perry Class has been decommissioned. I believe there are only 30 still in service, and many of their weapons have been removed because if incompatibility with newer systems.
1st503rdSGT 1 year ago
i think the funniest thing about you is that you believe everything the government tells you
.do you remember recently when an insider leaked the expenses mps were spending on themselves ie moat cleaning etc. or in the usa case wikileaks exposing civilians being killed . under your way of thinking the governments would have published those things before they were exposed.ofcourse newspapers exagerate or get it wrong .but the governments are the biggest liars of all.
marks95911 1 year ago
@leonwiganer because there building more ddg51 instead because they have decided to improve and redesign all there future capabilities but kept the hull design because its cheaper than the ddg1000 .its not that there not building just as many new ships
marks95911 1 year ago
@marks95911 dont no why u keep going on about the Uk armed froces being cut when USA IS just the same as many other nations i came name loads of stuff the usa has cut or will cut
fairman3456 1 year ago
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marks95911 1 year ago
@marks95911
listen all nations are having MASSSVIE cuts ,
the usa alone is haveing masssvie cuts to to mention in the defecne budget as well ,
and u think the UK is faceing 25% cuts ur talking out of ur ass or reading to much newspaper no one knows what sort of cuts its going to be and like i said the usa and other nations are following suit so stop making out the usa is not cutting it is to tackle its huge debt!
fairman3456 1 year ago
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marks95911 1 year ago
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marks95911 1 year ago
@marks95911 lol when u get owned you result into being something very silly u clearly dont no anything
fairman3456 1 year ago
@fairman3456 acctually mate you are the one that resorts to silly comments wityh no basis in truth thats why i dont even bother talking to you .get owned lmao . you dont wanna talk in facts and truths , instead of your usual rants and rubbish comments let me know ,but ive tried with you several times .try reading or if you cant do that watch the news occasionally instead of coranation st
marks95911 1 year ago
@marks95911 talk facts? thats why u delete ur message lOOL fool when u got owned u come out with crap , jsyt face it usa is facing cuts as the next nation its u that cant get over this fact
fairman3456 1 year ago
@fairman3456 i already know that your gonna say ahhh yes but the usa cut the ddg 1000 or some other project lol and this shows why your a moron because all militarys build things and test them and then decide either to build somthing else or to incorperate some of the ideas into other projects .
i was having a conversation (with someone else by the way ) about the upcoming budget cuts n what will they mean to the uk .you only like to read government website s for your news ,good for you
marks95911 1 year ago
@marks95911 the economy he inherited was toxic from top to bottom. The country was on the brink of a potentially severe depression; it was fighting two, essentially unaffordable wars; the budget deficit was spiralling out of control; jobs were being shed at the rate of nearly one million a month; public debt was on a catastrophically unsustainable trajectory.
fairman3456 1 year ago
@fairman3456 you will never own me as you dont have the intellect .so go away your an idiot .
marks95911 1 year ago
@marks95911 and enough said
u said read the news? LOL clearly thats where u get ur soruces from how sad
fairman3456 1 year ago
@fairman3456 lol i deleted if you wanna know because ive tried talking to you before and i know im talking to a brick wall that wont listen to reason .the us defence budget if you wanna know has grown and is now at its highest levels ever .the usa alone accounts for %46.5 of the total amount spent on defence of the whole world .at the current rates the usa spends around $929 billion in 2000 359 billion .the reason why you annoy me is simple .you dont read
marks95911 1 year ago
@marks95911 it shows how inscure u are writing 1000000 comments that i cant be bothered to read , just face it the usa is bankrupt its not gowing alot , it has hudge debts like the rest of us and is facing deep cuts like any other nations ur to proud to see this so run along
fairman3456 1 year ago
@fairman3456 lmao .there are huge debts and things are a mess in the usa and most of the western world ,why would i be to proud to admit that lol .we were just talking between 2 people about the massive DEFENCE cuts that the UK was making because its in the NEWS !!!!!!!!!!!!!.that in oct the strategic defence review will take place.the usa has not annouced it will cut its defence budget ,but maybe they will in the future .in fact i hope they will
marks95911 1 year ago
@fairman3456 so that being said and i already know youll come up with some stupid crap ,ill tell you simply the uk in oct will announce cuts to defence budget between %10-%25 thats all we were discussing .they are the biggest cuts in a long time due to the financial crisis .should the usa be cutting too ,yes but they are not at the moment
go and find a 16 year that you can impress and "own" as you put it you fucking idiot . i will delete these comments to in a couple of days too moron
marks95911 1 year ago
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marks95911 1 year ago
@leonwiganer because you just make things up im sending you some key points about your ships .aside from the fact that the uk could not afford to build the twelve ships they nneeded because they were replacing 14 type 42s .the royal navy requested twelve and twelve were planned but over time the budget was cut and the navy was told they would have to make do with 6 to replace 14
marks95911 1 year ago
@leonwiganer errr how do you know what there cutting mate have you read the defence review ,if so you should call the priminister cos he has seen it yet .there cutting alot of things mate and many expect the army to be cut to around 75,000 men
marks95911 1 year ago
@leonwiganer i honestley think you live in a dream wiorld because you can go on every news channel ,bbc sky etc and they all say the same thing in october the defence review is coming and the mod has told the armed forces to expect cutbacks of %25 accross the board and they are scamberling to see what equipment will be cut ... read mate first then get back to me
marks95911 1 year ago
@leonwiganer there is no money to buy any new ships you idiot the whole of the uks military budget is getting cut by %25 and the major problem is replacing trident .youy can forget any new ships for years to come .in october u are going to see the axe chopping major parts of all of the british military .read it your self in the strategic defense review .stop making these comments without really taking a look at the news
marks95911 1 year ago
You dont need the most advanced ship in the work to be better than anyone else... just look at how a Swedish diesel electric sub,manned primarily by conscripts,totally humbled the mighty US navy,in exercises in 2005 (hms Gotland and the Reagan carrier battle group, (if you want to google it)
dj8work 1 year ago
@dj8work So they won some stupid war game. It wasn't the real thing. College kids playing laser tag is not war. You prick kid. Wash.
1STACCS 1 year ago
@1STACCS LOL thats the hole point of training with other nations there all war games just like Red Flag. and i dont think spending millions on setting some thing like this up could be considered college kids playing laser tag. You racest!
dj8work 1 year ago
@dj8work Racest? What does race have to do with the topic of military might? It is spelled, "racist," by the way.
Get of the pot, get off the coke, get off the Prozac and Ritalin, and shave.
1STACCS 1 year ago
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dj8work 1 year ago
@dj8work Look, leave me the fuck alone. Stop making shit up. GET HELP for yourself.
1STACCS 1 year ago
@1STACCS well stop posting bullshit on youtube Captin america and i'll leave you alone.
dj8work 1 year ago
@dj8work I just pointed out that our submarines and Carriers are better. It is true.
1STACCS 1 year ago
@1STACCS see there u go with more bullshit
dj8work 1 year ago
@1STACCS So the USA having better submarines and better carriers is bullshit?
1STACCS 1 year ago
@1STACCS Yes
dj8work 1 year ago
fuck off u british fags and get the fuckng oil off of our beaches, you ugly-toothed, no-salt adding, pastey-looking idiots.
pelicansnout 1 year ago
@pelicansnout i cat belive ur 33 and u act like a 2 year old grow up u bloody fool,.
as for bad toothed, its better than not being able to move cus ur so fat,
im glad there so much oil on ur beaches haaaaa
fairman3456 1 year ago
@fairman3456 Whats new Michael? I hope you are ok today.
1STACCS 1 year ago
@1STACCS check out that dumb frechman on french battle victory over the english 100000 commnets lol
fairman3456 1 year ago
@fairman3456 lol. I know, he can't help it. He has troubles.
Take me off block!
I will post some vids soon with my new web camera
1STACCS 1 year ago
@pelicansnout The hostility! OMG, brother!
1STACCS 1 year ago
@marks9591
come on cutting the search and recucue helectoper is hardly a major anoument ,
and its not 6 billion there cutting ,
not the defence budget anyways ,
at the end of the day all nations are getting cuts , major porjects cuts
just like the new usa destroyer 33 was planned just 3 now are going to be built
fairman3456 1 year ago
@fairman3456 well now u are a thick cunt cos you didnt read what i said the search n rescue was a completley seperate thing .the mod yesterday announced massive cuts in defense spending n major projects are to be cut.i said the analyst on channel 4 said the jsf was at risk not me smart boy
marks95911 1 year ago
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marks95911 1 year ago
@marks9591 ow come on will u , i think ino a bit more than u about my own nations porjects
and like i said the usa is just the same , all nations are faceing big cuts,
why the amount of debt nations has inclduing the usa , the usa is no differnect
fairman3456 1 year ago
@fairman3456 also just so u know the zummwalt class was not cancelled because of cutback it was cancelled because of cost over runs deeming it to expensive at 3 billion just to build it .so there just carrying on building upgraded arliegh burke class with upgraded aegies .a system that acctually works unlike yours ,which have still never been able to fire a missile off a ship yet
marks95911 1 year ago
@marks95911 arliegh burke class with upgraded aegies .a system that acctually works unlike your
so u want to upgrade a ship that is ALREADY very old loool
nothing shocks me with usa that has old ships,
and ur talking abou 1 inccendent where a aster 45 didnt fire , it dosent mean al type 45 didnt u retard, seeing as there brand new
and seeing as type 45 can fire all missles at once where as burker can only do 1 evey 3 sec lol, the type 45 costs alot more , has a far more cable radar
fairman3456 1 year ago
@fairman3456 lol you reallky are dumb the typoe 45 still does not have a working missile system and it has NEVER fired a missile yet .also the newer version of the burke has upgraded radar that is capable of acting as a balistic missile shield against nuclear threats .just one of the tiers that the usa has against nuclear missiles .thaad patriot,airborne laser .does the uk have that or is again up to the usaq to protect you
marks95911 1 year ago
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marks95911 1 year ago
@fairman3456 lol you say it cos one missile that didnt fire lol how about they dont have missile on board cos its not working lol .so it can fire all its missile at once in theory and thats all oh it does have a gun on the front that works so its not completly useless .hopefully when the cuts come thyey dont cut any more of those back .cos in myy opinion there going to cut your sub fleet even more
marks95911 1 year ago
@marks95911 cos in myy opinion there going to cut your sub fleet even more
mmm really hows that thicko when all 7 austste class are at different buildings stages replaceing the old 7 ones/
lool
fairman3456 1 year ago
@fairman3456 There are like 6 Virginia class submarines in service and only one Astute in service. Where are the other 6?
1STACCS 1 year ago
@1STACCS where are the other 6?
they are building thats why.
unlike the virgina class which is already over 5years old the auste is brand new,
1 is already in service the other 6 are in different stages
fairman3456 1 year ago
@fairman3456 5 Years is nothing to a navy ship. The Nimitz is 35 years old and is one of the most advanced ships in the world. The Two most advaced ships in the world are the Ronald Reagan and the George H. W. Bush.
1STACCS 1 year ago
@1STACCS what has carriers has anything to do with my point,
and yes 5 years is SOMETHING!, just look at what the austste class has compared to the virgnina,
fairman3456 1 year ago
@fairman3456 I am, and I am not impressed.
How are you, little brother. Missed you! Where have you been?
1STACCS 1 year ago
@1STACCS also i wouldnt say the nimitz is one of the most advaned in the world, not at all, there are ships from other nations in terms of tech that is better,
but nimitz is the most powerfull ship but not advaded not by a long shoot
fairman3456 1 year ago
@fairman3456 R u talking about the Nimtz Class or the USS Nimitz itself. The last two 5.5 billion dollare supercarries, the Reagan and Bush, are the most advanced warships around.
1STACCS 1 year ago
@1STACCS
i was talking about the older nimitz carriers and even then the new reagon and bush are not the most advaned in the world , u would say that cus ur ameierrcan and clearly dont look at what other nations ships,
they are good ships but there are far more advaed ships than the bush
fairman3456 1 year ago
@fairman3456 You must be crazy little bro.
1STACCS 1 year ago
@1STACCS what annoyes me about u , is u cant stand something that might be better than what the usa has,
u need to wake up , cus there are tons and tons are things that are far better.
fairman3456 1 year ago
@fairman3456 Aww! LIttle brother! Kipling said that the USA and it's people are the best and brightest.
Hugs!
1STACCS 1 year ago
@1STACCS then u clearly dont no much ,
sorry to burst ur bubble
fairman3456 1 year ago
@fairman3456 How are you? I sent you a personal message.
1STACCS 1 year ago
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@marks95911 so just so u know the zummwalt class was not cancelled
are u thick as well as silly,
i didnt say it was canclled i said the project of numbers has been cut!!!
33-34 was planned now just 3 are being built
fairman3456 1 year ago
@fairman3456 as for old ships the usa has more ships built in the last 10 years than your whole fleet of major ships
marks95911 1 year ago
@marks95911 u go on about UK cuts and u act like no other nation is going throuhg it,
well i have news for u every one is ,
inclduing the usa LIKE only 3 G.ford class as been placed lol the usa carrier fleet has already been put down to 11and by 2021 it will be just 7
the destroyers project only 3 will be built lol cut from 33 lol
burke class to be upgraded even no its so old will sink if left port,
60 year old fleet tankers not being replaced now. raptors planes only 150 built cut lol
fairman3456 1 year ago
@fairman3456 anyway soon with the cuts your going to have around 80-90k troops a navy with around 20-25 major ships if you can call frigates major .its a good thing were you ally or you wouldnt be able to fight a major war or throw any political weight as no onne would listen to such a puny nation with no military might
marks95911 1 year ago
@marks95911 whats with the 1000000 comments shows how inseucre about ur nation u are lool
i love it how u say random numbers 80-90k troops? lool that made me laugh
i rather have that than not wellt rained usa soilders basic training is only 12 weeks haa the british its over 28!!.
u dont call frigs major ships? are u thick frigs destroyers carriers and subs are major units u fool god talk about thick,
the british frigs are far beteterr more heavy armed etc
this video rest my case
fairman3456 1 year ago
@marks95911 wouldnt be able to fight a major war or throw any political weight as no onne would listen to such a puny nation
sorry but this bit made me laugh lol
a nation that is a permment UN member a nuke power, largest defecne navy airfroce in europe 2nd in nato ,, 2nd most carrier fleet in world and is build 2 65,000 lool right puney? lol get real
fairman3456 1 year ago
@marks95911 around 20-25 major ships if
u dont even no what ur talking about lool
my adivce stop reading newspapers or wikpida lol its making u look so sill!
the UK already has 24 major fleet war ships u retard
god talk about thick,,
do u even no the term major warship u RETARD haaa
OWNED
fairman3456 1 year ago
the 7 billion cut yesterday wasent just for the armed forces its all tyupes of things,
such as the stone hendge visitetr centre etc
no front line equipment of the armed forces has been cut the only thing i saw that was part of the armed forces was the sarach and rescue stuff now im not even bothered about something that is used for civiliian work,
the future lyns is postpond untill 2013 anf the new fres vehcincles some have been ordered
but all armed forces are getting cut like usa
fairman3456 1 year ago
@fairman3456 so before spouting off about shit u have no idea about try researching .i will send u the link so you can feel stupid
marks95911 1 year ago
@marks95911 what makes me laugh soo hard
is 1 u clearly dont no nothing
and 2 u get ur information from NEWSPAPER HAAAA or news sites
try and edcuate ur ass and look on MOD or UK parliment u fool
fairman3456 1 year ago
@marks9591 jsf fighter yesterday n they may have to cut the whole military by 25%
and i might add u clearly dont no what ur talking about , as there hasent even been a defecen review yet lol
OWNED
fairman3456 1 year ago
@marks9591 and , i might add all nations are faceing cuts to cut there debt ,
inclduing the usa!! so get over ut self
fairman3456 1 year ago 2
@fairman3456 lol you fucking retard it comes from the minister of defence ,that is the government lol ........
marks95911 1 year ago
@fairman3456 whats really funny is you said no instead of know you retard .anyway enjoy your life as a rubbish collector should i say bin man .lol the you have the nerve to call other people stupid .keep reading the goverment spin sites or the sun n then make excuses for everything .your obviously incapable of any real discussion
marks95911 1 year ago
@marks95911 lol go back to reading newspaper ariticals haaaaaa
fairman3456 1 year ago
@marks9591 it shows how thick u are not be getting any JSF? loll so the 2.5 billion we invested in it lol not to mention BAE sytems is building some of the parts loolll that really made me laugh
do u really want me to start talking about usa cuts?
the carrier fleet will be cut to 7 in 2021, they already cut the number from 14 to just 11 now lol
ONLY 3 G.FORD. has been ordered for different stages ,
60 year old fleet tankers not being replaced yet, only 3 zimit desttoyers being built ha
fairman3456 1 year ago
@marks9591 dont belive everything u read
The Ministry of Defence said budgets would not be cut at all next year.
wiganerrmc 1 year ago
@marks9591 rite im a royal marine commando and i no there not cutting troops there only cutting on things were not useing in afghan
wiganerrmc 1 year ago
@marks9591 you dont no nout do u thay have aready paid 8 billion in the makeing of the f-35 thay have aready had 2 f-35 for testing thay are not gona cut the programe and there defo not cutting british troops by 20 -25% because iv been in royal marines for 4 years and since i join the size of the marines as gone up 20%
wiganerrmc 1 year ago
@marks9591 i think your wrong because the super carriers and all the over major projects have been signed and are a go ahead and we will get more money under conservative
wiganerrmc 1 year ago
@marks9591 The Labour minister in charge of military equipment hinted today at a possible increase in the defence budget after the election despite the financial crisis
Quentin Davies, Minister for Defence, Equipment and Support, said that spending was already set to rise in real terms by 1.5 per cent in the next financial year
wiganerrmc 1 year ago
@marks9591 wot are u onabout the british military buget as been riseing for past 20 years we are getting a load new fres and are getting loads of new navy warships we have 19 under construction as we speak plus we have just spend £20billion on the eurofighter were getting 2 new super carriers plus about 180f-35 and we have the new lynx wildcat are buget keep riseing
wiganerrmc 1 year ago
@Stifsim6 I take your point. Must have missed that when I read the spec. However, it's not really the same as a 4.5 inch (113mm), is it?
BrianMRiches 1 year ago
@marks9591 2018-2022 and wot do u mean we have no way to pay for it we have the 2nd biggest millitary buget in world
wiganerrmc 1 year ago
@marks9591 looks like u dont no much then because MOD as just give BAE something like 500 million to start the programe for the drawings and so on so its deffo not been cancelled
wiganerrmc 1 year ago
@marks9591 sorry but what a person from the usa know anything about the RN?
as clearly stated in ur comment , just come down to earth will u ,
the type 26 cant be canclled as they will replace the type 22 and 23 what will replace them @?.
2nd they are not canclled as the goverment has paid BAE systems 568 million for the desgins studies etc for it so ur wrong , maybe u should do more research before u comment
fairman3456 1 year ago
@confederateman04dc 453 feet for the ships fitted w/ RAST system & SH-60's...445 feet for the older hulls outfitted w/ SH-2's. Both hulls maintain 48 foot beam.
Stifsim6 1 year ago
Whilst the Oliver Hazard Perry class frigates don't seem to have a main gun, the Duke class frigates do. Comparison?
BrianMRiches 1 year ago
@BrianMRiches OHP class frigates have a radar(or manual)-guided 76mm gun amidships, on the 02 level (top deck of superstructure)...I remember the magazine having a 100+ round capacity. When it fires, dust and crap fall out of all the overheads and cable-runs on the ship (you learn to cover your dinner if you're on the mess deck).
Stifsim6 1 year ago
lol the Duke Class(Type 23) are much much more capable ships. They have harpoon Anti-ship missiles, a proper VLS and the best sonar system in the world - the Oliver Hazard Perry class have none of these.
pquinn448 1 year ago
ye the merchant navy as around 190 ships
wiganerrmc 1 year ago
Ofc the Dukes will be better.
The FFGs are cheap replacements for the 1950/60s ships. Mainly for ASW and have very limited anti air capabilty.
On the other hand , the Dukes are truly multirole ships with VLS.
If you want a fair comparison, do Type23 vs Spruance (although retired from service)
kingleungm 1 year ago
you damn right the oliver hazzard perry class are better my father served on one the uss aubrey fitch and there not 400ft there 445 ft dumb ass
bfmv5121 2 years ago
Oliver Perry class frigates ARE BETTER
KASHMIRI7864LYFE 2 years ago
@KASHMIRI7864LYFE hahahaha never type 23 have VLS oliver hazzard perry class as a shitty 1 missile system
wiganerrmc 1 year ago 2
@wiganerrmc Actually in US service, the Oliver Hazard Perry don't have any missile atall. They used to have a Mk 13 launcher, but that wasn't compatible with the SM-2 missile. So when they withdrew the SM-1, they simply took the missile launcher off. The OHP's only air defence is it's single Phalanx CIWS and other than that it depends on other ships to protect it. Type 23 wins this one hands down. Although it's clear that the US has the superior fleet, the RN definitely has the superior frigate.
rvfharrier 1 year ago
@rvfharrier and destroyers and subs
wiganerrmc 1 year ago
Interesting shot of USS Stark in the Persian Gulf in 1987 after having taken friendly fire from two Iraqi (French supplied) Exocet anti-ship missiles. The listing is actually due to poor fire fighting management and not the structural damage (the firefighters simply used more water than was judged necessary in the final inquiry, & the weight of the water caused the ship to list heavily to port). 37 crew were killed in the attack, but the ship was salvaged & returned to service quickly.
wattlebough 2 years ago
@DarkestManager
Correction: HMAS Adelaide is now a diving reef, lol, HMAS Newcastle, Darwin, Sydney & one other have been upgraded significantly to keep them in service with the RAN for another 10 years or so until the new batch of F100 based destroyers are delivered.
wattlebough 2 years ago
@DarkestManager Defintely agree that the Duke is superior to the Perry frigates. We have to remember though that the USN ones were designed in the early 1970's, but the Dukes are much newer, the USN is retiring it's Hazards. Infact they have removed the Mk13 launcher & magazine entirely. It has no SM1 SAM or Harpoon capability now, only it's 76mm & CIWS they are lame ducks. You should check out what the RAN has done to it's 4 Hazards (HMAS Adelaide, etc), they've up gunned them fantastically.
wattlebough 2 years ago
@wattlebough yes and the royal navy are replaceing the type 22 and type 23 with type 26 and anouther fsc
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TEENFUZZ 2 years ago
ive picked up a few faults in your facts about the duke class frigate, our towed array sonar is our secondary sonar our primary being type 2050, and also we have 2 spey gas turbines each putting out 25000 shp, and close in weapon systems, and that's before we arm them up to perform an ASW role
loosingrealityslowly 2 years ago
The FFG is the most capable Frigate ever built. As rentnation said, two have been hit and they still managed to return home. If you want to compare the FFG to the duke class, have a look at the Australian upgraded FFGs with the Mk 41 VLS giving it the ESSM capability. You also forgot that the Duke class was designed as a multirole Frigate and the FFG as a long range escort and anti-air warfare as its primary role. Just a couple of suggestions.
harpoonphoenix 2 years ago
Perrys are good for a 70's design bear in mind a duke was designed late 80's and into the 90's dukes are multi role and have advantages the current USN perrys have no VLS or MK13 launchers making them pure ASW unit where the duke can operate alone ASW ASUW and AAW if need be, duke is also a long range escort at 18 knots it will go for 8,000miles unlike the perry 6,500 at same speed before a re fuel.
VolvoFH12580 2 years ago
Firstly, the OHPs cost an average of just $63.8m each, not the ridiculous $770m quoted.
Secondly, calling the Royal Navy one of the 2 most powerful navies in the world is beyond ridiculous. These days even the French have a bigger fleet.
WinchesterRanger 2 years ago
lealry u dont no much then
fairman3456 2 years ago
Dear god, please tell me you didn't just spell "know" as "no".
WinchesterRanger 2 years ago