I remember watching this at the time and laughing. Watching it now, after what I consider the real riots, I find no humor in it what so ever. People riot because they are being persecuted or tortured. Not what we saw in this country, where they riot because they wan't a free TV or Laptop. We should consider ourselves very lucky.
His mention of the attention devoted to the X Factor bring an old Lennon llyric to mind - "They dope you with religion and sex and TV..."
Indeed, Mr Cameron and his weathy mates would rather people were talking about whether Simon Cowell will still be judging on the next series rather than worrying if their health service is going to be chopped to bits and privatised.
@BolshieBlog "Inflation adjusted" means adjusting for the rise (or fall) in the cost of living. So a ten-fold rise in the earnings or ordinary workers adjusted with 3-fold rise in prices due to inflation equals about a 3.5 times rise in real world earnings power for these workers over that 20 year period.
Can you list a socialist-run economy that has improved things for ordinary people? I certainly can't; and for good reason - they don't work.
@neil9327 I know of autism due to the fact that I have it as well. Also keep in mind that Bill Gates had this condition plus he was accepted during college to a company because he requested to help them debug their system... That was LONG ago when companies looked at SKILLS rather than qualifications, which obviously helped him into his career. I am 15 and have autism and I am already superior compared to all IT teachers at my school in computer use, no lie. I proved mine wrong plenty of times.
@angryboy2k9 Autism? Where did I talk about Autism on this thread? Are you sure you haven't confused it with another thread?
But I agree with you 100%. People with autism can often have brilliant minds, capable of amazing feats in science and engineering.
You are right about people looking at skills, not degrees, in the past. But it will go back to that soon when it is harder to pay for a degree course, as I have said lower down.
@neil9327 You said about Bill Gates not having a degree and still being HUGELY successful. He has some form of autism (Most likely aspergers) and so I was explaining why he was a bad example for college-dropouts being successful, because he has something that others don't. Sorry for the rant, I got a bit carried away.
@neil9327 Sorry to rant off like that but it pisses me off when people link someones success to one thing. Yes he didn't get a degree but he did have MANY factors (Including, during those times people (As I said) look at skills and not qualifications, which are gained by getting a degree) that gave him a chance.
I could be as good as him (Well not exactly but close if I put my mind to it) or Satoshi Tajiri. Seeing as many autistic people don't try, its not a factor often considered.
@angryboy2k9 In my opinion the only reason employers look at qualifications at the moment is because getting a degree is free. Degrees have turned into intelligence tests.
Once the government has withdrawn funding for degrees, employers will start to go back to looking at evidence of skills. And they have already started doing this (see my other comment about the Daily Mail). Getting good skills by reading books and doing is far superior to doing an expensive degree course, in my opinion.
@neil9327 I see what you mean by that. But how long do you think that will take? Most employers probably don't even know they have a choice in the matter.
@angryboy2k9 It will take a few years for most employers to switch to offering jobs to people who are not graduates. But the best, smartest, employers will switch straight away, and they are the ones you should be aiming to work for because your careeer will do best through them. So in a way it is helping you weed out the rubbish employers from the start.
Employers always know they have a choice in who they hire, its just that some of them are a bit slow making the change.
@BolshieBlog I am ignoring a lot of things, but what I am not ignoring is the effect on the buying power of chinese workers as a result of capitalism. And the effect is that they got much much richer.
One thing I would concede is the point about inflation. I've checked Wikipedia again (which is the world's largest and most comprehensive encyclopaedia) and inflation increased 3-fold over the period. So the chinese only got four times as rich as I said before. But that's not bad going is it!
@neil9327 Edited and checked by anyone, yes. But whos to say if the information is right? If people THINK its right when it isn't, they will change it to the answer that is WRONG and people will say it is RIGHT, see what I mean? And if a minority TRY to change it to the right information, people will just edit it out again to what the majority think it should be.
@BolshieBlog So I take it that you now agree with China Worker that as a result of the introduction of capitalism to the Chinese economy living standards of ordinary chinese workers went up tenfold, boom, or crisis.
I think that's the only thing that really matters.
@BolshieBlog No, wages rose by 1100%. Look at the article. China Worker says wages as a percentage of GDP dropped from 67% to 37%, which is a 44% drop. But as GDP itself rose by 2000% then that 44% drop becomes a 1100% rise in money.
There is only one factor that is relevant to the economic lives of chinese workers, and that is how much money they earn. And they started to earn much much more under capitalism. THAT is why they should be proud of themselves, just as I am of them.
@BolshieBlog Yes but in the case of China wages did rise, and the China Worker figures prove this:
In that period of time GDP rose by 2000%, and China Worker says the workers' wages share of this fell from 67% to 37%. Multiply these together: 37/67 * 2000 = 1100% rise in wages
China is still communist in terms of its politics. But since the 1980's it has encouraged capitalism in its industry, and everyone has benefited, even the lowliest workers. They should feel really proud of themselves.
@BolshieBlog google "china's boomtowns" to read a National Geographic article about the new industry springing up at a rapid rate over there. Read through the pages on it. To quote from it: "Families opened tiny workshops... and they produced simple goods. Over time, workshops blossomed into full-scale factories", and "Although nearly 80 percent of all Zhejiang entrepreneurs have a formal education of only eight years or less, the province has become the richest in China"
@BolshieBlog The cost of living over there is tiny compared to "normal" in the west, so there is plenty of scope to save and invest.
Actually quality and speed of production are factors here; it is only by being very much cheaper than the west that China can currently compete with the west. But the chinese are gaining skills which in combination with their own investment in machinery and innovative ideas are allowing them to out-compete the west AND make big profits for themselves.
@BolshieBlog Ah but the money the chinese workers are making at the moment, though not much, is enough to allow them to invest in equipment and form their own companies to produce goods by machine more cheaply than the next poor country can make the goods by hand. Most of the workers were rural farm workers before they were enticed into the cities to work in the factories with offers of higher wages than they could make on the farms; they don't have "third world" poverty levels any more.
@BolshieBlog Just google: "wage inflation in china" to see ample evidence of this.
The low wages at the moment are providing enormous inward investment in China, allowing it to become the manufacturing centre of the world, which is making the chinese hugely rich. The low paid workers are gaining valuable skills that will allow them to earn a LOT more in the near future.
Chinaworker dot info is an ultra left-wing website that is blatently wrong and fraudulent like they all are.
you're all talk Paul - what have you done apart from help yourself? Perhaps you'd like to go back to 83% tax on high earners like it was in the 70's under Labour if you care so much about students like you say you do.
What you need are job SKILLS. And experience. And you can get both by starting at the bottom and working your way up in a company, and learning from books.
If I had the time I would go to a university campus and put this across to the students. And if I get my bollocks kicked in then they'll end up with criminal records for assault which really WILL dent their chances of getting a job...
@neil9327 right.. so you wanna go to a university and tell them they shouldnt be learning, to further their own and proffessional situations.... how would you like someone to come to your office and talk about communism and how capitalism is a load of shite? plus if we all did what your suggesting, then your back to square one- no standard of skill.
@mr420B They should not be learning at the tax payer's expense. They should be learning without drawing a huge amount of money from the tax payer. This can be done either through the internet or by buying books and reading them. That's what I have done in my work in IT, and it has worked well for me. And it can work well for today's students if they set their mind to that task.
If you all do what I'm suggesting, you'll get rich. Do it!
@neil9327 if this is about taxpayers money you should campaign against the wars we fund, the royalty we pay millions or how about the millions in tax avoided by major companies, or the bankers who we bail out and continually give bonus' to, or even the fact that our MPs rinse our money- but not against education- you might be able to learn that sort of stuff from a book, but id like to see how you cope in my field, without the appropriate software, tools, machines or materials or funding for.
@mr420B Actually I do object to the wars that we fund, but on ethical grounds not financial grounds. Had we not sent troops into Iraq then the cost of oil would have been much higher by now because Saddam Hussein would have restricted supplies.
I thought the queen had started paying taxes?
We should never have bailed out the banks - I always thought that was wrong.
What is your field? Could you do on-the-job training?
@neil9327 whats the point in the queen paying taxes on money we give her anyway? and respect for not condoning the war and the bankers.
my course is metalwork and jewellery, and i could go the traditional route of being an apprentice, but by being at university I can learn all the core techniques and material properties, as well as learning to use CNC machines, laser cutters, lathes, paint techniques, working with wood, drawing skills, contextual skills, and generally exploring world of design
@mr420B That's a perfect example. A university at the moment will buy the expensive CNC machines and laser cutters so their students can learn. But what a waste, because those machines will probably only be operating 3 hours a day or so.
However in the private arena, an entrepreneur will come along and do a deal with a local company that already has these machines, and use them to run courses for students in the evenings when the machines are not otherwise in use, for a fraction of the price.
@neil9327 erm not quite mate- its more like 8am- 4pm constantly getting used, you think we just like to sit at uni and stare at them?? so your saying that companies should take on extra staff to teach people, run up higher electricity bills, leading to higher expenses as well as increasing wear on a machine x2, plus supplying materials solely for students use,- sounds to me like they would need a whole new kind of building to acomdate this kind of teaching- oh wait thats right.....
@mr420B The companies would hire out their workspace & machines to teachers hired by external training companies to come along and do the teaching. That way the machines can be in use from 9am-5pm and then on into the evening for the training.
Yes there are additional electrical bills & wear and tear, but you get this in the current scenario just that the wear and tear is spread over two sets of machines.
@neil9327 aside from the CNC which is one aspect of my course- they would have to then employ people to teach the other, varying specialist areas, and i doubt that someone trained to use a machine all day long would be suitable- why do you think unis were founded
Respond to this video... i guess the point is that uni gives people a chance to explore their subject in depth without other distraction, and can lead them to use techniques or explore different areas without having to buy thousands and thousands of ££ worth of massive industrial machines.
If you don't like the message Adam don't kill the messenger. You either agree with what I'm saying or you don't. And coming out with a load of abuse doesn't help me understand your message at all.
@neil9327 Did I give you permission to call me Adam laddie? no I did not so dinnea act so informal with me. That was not shooting the messenger... messenger would be @neil9327 said " and then quoting the person. And frankly given the way this countries going to shite abuse is the only way people take notice and start listening. You don't like students legit protesting the fucking over of their lives, go onto a campus and say it... and see if you escape with your bollocks in tact
@A16AdamWalker No Adam, you didn't give me permission to call you by that name; I was being polite - that's my style.
What ever makes you think that being denied a university education will result in students' lives being fucked over? Are you suggesting that without a solid academic education they will be unable to do professional intelligent work?
I hope you are not, because that would be dead wrong.
Alan Sugar, John Major, Richard Branson, even Bill fucking Gates have no degree
@neil9327 yeah but they all started their empires from money given to them by daddy! you have to have wealth to make it.
plus, for people from a poor background university isnt just a place for gaining a recognised qualification, it is a chance to see the world from a different view, learn alongside people from all over the world and get general life skills. if they were no good then why would they exist?? if they didnt matter then why is a requirement for many professionals to have them??
@mr420B WRONG. Alan Sugar's father was as poor jewish immigrant. Richard Branson and Bill Gates had no family financial support either because they didn't need it at any stage. You don't need money to get ahead, you need the right attitude and hard work.
The only reason many professions require people to have degrees is because it shows you have the ability to knuckle down and work hard. In the past they only demanded A-levels. They will go back to demanding only A-levels in the near future.
@neil9327 richard branson, i know for a fact, recieved his first cash from daddy- either way if its that easy why arent you a prominent billionaire??
so degrees do benefit ya then! this is my point- people will look to see if you have a dgree, which ya will if ya rich, then reject people who dont, the poor!
even if a levels may help get a job, two years of slightly smarter school wont give you any advantage- i went through college and there is no way me or mates would fend in the industry
Degrees only benefit you now because employers know that they are (almost) free to get (at the moment) so they'll wonder why you haven't got one - maybe it's becasue you're a layabout.
But in future they know you can't afford the high fees, so they'll look elsewhere for talent. Employers don't want to hire rich toffs to work for them, they want hard working intelligent people with initiative. And in my experience you find these types of people just as much among the poor as anyone else
Well it is 2 days since my last comment and already I have been proved right. Go to the daily mail website, and it has a headline that says that some accountancy companies have said: "We'll bypass graduates and hire straight from schools"
I sometimes give myself credit for predicting the future. But rarely have I got it spot on like that. Two days. lol
@neil9327 yeah but thts accountancy- im not brushed up on the details but im pretty sure ya only need a computer and pen and paper to do that, as well as complex maths skills, obviously, but thats simply formulae. compared to, my subject, or engineering, or product design eh? if your sticking to that stance then just wait to see some of the shite produced by school leavers with a crash course in their area- as i said uni develops a personality as much as improves knowledge.
@mr420B School leavers maybe. But once they've had a few years working for a private company in industry they'll know a heck of a lot more useful stuff than any graduate.
"develops a personality" rubbish. I went to Cambridge University and my personality wasn't improved diddly squat by it. The only thing I learned was that it was a mistake to have had me there in the first place.
@neil9327 so shift the burden onto companies?- make them spend more money on having someone there to hold every new persons hand as they fuck it up repeatedly? thats hardly going to make business more productive. and anyway, most workers who are trained on the job have a very basic knowledge of the things they encounter, and often dont know about them in any depth- rather than being educated on the general principles and how/ why they work - creating a better, more skilled worker
@mr420B Basically yes, you take on new people as low paid apprentices who learn the trade alongside their more experienced co-workers. Yes they will fuck up once in a while, but that is part of learning; a university education doesn't prevent fuckups!
Many people who have a "very basic knowledge of the things they encounter" will have chosen not to go to university. Is doesn't follow therefore that those who now cannot go will also have only a basic knowledge; they'll learn as they go.
@neil9327 also, just because you think your personality didnt develop at uni, and you didnt have a good time- it doesnt mean that for the vast majority of people this isnt the case. you only have to look around you when your there to see that people change because of the university experience. also just because uni isnt for you, doesnt mean that no one else should be entitled to it- I had a paper round when i was 14 and hated it, but that doesnt mean i discourage all youngsters from working
@mr420B That's very true, and I'm sure many other people did have their personalities developed by university. But I can't believe university is the only way to achieve that goal. And "personality development" is a nice-to-have thing, not a necessity, so I don't see why people shouldn't have to pay for it themselves in full.
The important thing is whether people can get jobs that utilise their intellect without a degree - and I think they can.
@Rajod100 The availability of "choice" is only a good thing where the outcome of the choice can be of benefit to the people making the choice. My point is that (with a few exceptions for science & medicine) choosing to go to university now doesn't help you. The only benefit in the past was that everone else had degrees and if you didn't you were the odd one out - probably something wrong with you in some way.
@neil9327 Do NOT use Bill Gates as an example of people without a degree! He dropped out of college to work with a computer company (Launching him into the computer business that he now looms over). He didn't get a degree because he was taken in DURING college... Also bare in mind that he was believed to have autism/aspergers which, if you do your research will know, means he is more logical and has a specific interest (Computers in his case) and the ability to work long hours without rest.
@neil9327 Sorry to drag on but also bare in mind that MANY famous people who pushed forward mankind (Issac Newton, Albert Einstein and Charles Darwin, for example) were all believed to have this disorder, and look how they pushed science forwards! Also a less-well-known man called Satoshi Tajiri, who created the famous game Pokèmon, had the disorder, and look how well he did thanks to his disorder.
@neil9327 and are all around 60 lol i get your point but i don't think in this day and age it's really possible to come from nothing to being a millionaire, i'm 22 and i can honestly say in education or not the people i no that are going to end up doing well are those with well off parents or the one's with good connections not the one's that just have the will to work long and hard, just seems like back then there was allot more opportunity you no?
@Bodybuddha So you are saying that in the 1970's and 80's it was possible to go from nothing to being a millionaire, and that now it is not. So what has changed then, that makes this an impossibility? Are you suggesting that the world has stopped changing and evolving, that society no longer needs intelligent original independent ambitious individuals to push it forward?
Come along now, there's never been a better time to make a difference. What are you waiting for?
Much respect to Paul, it had to be said. We all have a voice and if we shout loud enough they HAVE to listen. After all this is OUR country not Cameron or Clegg's.
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Great stuff Paul. One thing though. Statutory grants of up to £3000 a year have been available to council estate kids for years now. Unlike access to private education. Where are the protestors whining about access to Eton or Harrow?
The cuts in university funding are a genuine issue. Tuition fees are about rich kids whining.
This needed to be said by someone famous and on TV. GO PAUL! I was there on Wednesday and you could feel the anger in the atmosphere. This generation have been sold out completely and it is an utter disgrace. Thank you for highlighting this & supporting students x
Paul O'Grady would do a far better job of running the country than David Cameron! Power to the people!
SnappyPenguins 1 hour ago
I remember watching this at the time and laughing. Watching it now, after what I consider the real riots, I find no humor in it what so ever. People riot because they are being persecuted or tortured. Not what we saw in this country, where they riot because they wan't a free TV or Laptop. We should consider ourselves very lucky.
adamps16 4 months ago
@PokerPlum no worries .. ;-)
seank231 6 months ago
@seank231 Dont curse at the poster! What happened to YouTube manners?
majorkeybaree 5 months ago
@majorkeybaree Hi, I think you have that the wrong way round mate, I didn't 'curse' at anybody ;-)
seank231 5 months ago
@PokerPlum You're right (that's why it says 'student riots' in the header ;-)
seank231 6 months ago
Well done Paul
floydyboy2007 6 months ago 3
His mention of the attention devoted to the X Factor bring an old Lennon llyric to mind - "They dope you with religion and sex and TV..."
Indeed, Mr Cameron and his weathy mates would rather people were talking about whether Simon Cowell will still be judging on the next series rather than worrying if their health service is going to be chopped to bits and privatised.
SmithersJones87 10 months ago 7
Bless you Paul ! More riots against the blood line fucks
Warrior84358 11 months ago
@BolshieBlog "Inflation adjusted" means adjusting for the rise (or fall) in the cost of living. So a ten-fold rise in the earnings or ordinary workers adjusted with 3-fold rise in prices due to inflation equals about a 3.5 times rise in real world earnings power for these workers over that 20 year period.
Can you list a socialist-run economy that has improved things for ordinary people? I certainly can't; and for good reason - they don't work.
neil9327 1 year ago
@neil9327 I know of autism due to the fact that I have it as well. Also keep in mind that Bill Gates had this condition plus he was accepted during college to a company because he requested to help them debug their system... That was LONG ago when companies looked at SKILLS rather than qualifications, which obviously helped him into his career. I am 15 and have autism and I am already superior compared to all IT teachers at my school in computer use, no lie. I proved mine wrong plenty of times.
angryboy2k9 1 year ago
@angryboy2k9 Autism? Where did I talk about Autism on this thread? Are you sure you haven't confused it with another thread?
But I agree with you 100%. People with autism can often have brilliant minds, capable of amazing feats in science and engineering.
You are right about people looking at skills, not degrees, in the past. But it will go back to that soon when it is harder to pay for a degree course, as I have said lower down.
neil9327 1 year ago
@neil9327 You said about Bill Gates not having a degree and still being HUGELY successful. He has some form of autism (Most likely aspergers) and so I was explaining why he was a bad example for college-dropouts being successful, because he has something that others don't. Sorry for the rant, I got a bit carried away.
angryboy2k9 1 year ago
@neil9327 Sorry to rant off like that but it pisses me off when people link someones success to one thing. Yes he didn't get a degree but he did have MANY factors (Including, during those times people (As I said) look at skills and not qualifications, which are gained by getting a degree) that gave him a chance.
I could be as good as him (Well not exactly but close if I put my mind to it) or Satoshi Tajiri. Seeing as many autistic people don't try, its not a factor often considered.
angryboy2k9 1 year ago
@angryboy2k9 In my opinion the only reason employers look at qualifications at the moment is because getting a degree is free. Degrees have turned into intelligence tests.
Once the government has withdrawn funding for degrees, employers will start to go back to looking at evidence of skills. And they have already started doing this (see my other comment about the Daily Mail). Getting good skills by reading books and doing is far superior to doing an expensive degree course, in my opinion.
neil9327 1 year ago
@neil9327 I see what you mean by that. But how long do you think that will take? Most employers probably don't even know they have a choice in the matter.
angryboy2k9 1 year ago
@angryboy2k9 It will take a few years for most employers to switch to offering jobs to people who are not graduates. But the best, smartest, employers will switch straight away, and they are the ones you should be aiming to work for because your careeer will do best through them. So in a way it is helping you weed out the rubbish employers from the start.
Employers always know they have a choice in who they hire, its just that some of them are a bit slow making the change.
neil9327 1 year ago
@neil9327 Ah I see what you mean.
angryboy2k9 1 year ago
Money and power ruin lives, I've seen it happen first hand. Greed and want corrupt people.
SatuWira 1 year ago 10
@BolshieBlog I am ignoring a lot of things, but what I am not ignoring is the effect on the buying power of chinese workers as a result of capitalism. And the effect is that they got much much richer.
One thing I would concede is the point about inflation. I've checked Wikipedia again (which is the world's largest and most comprehensive encyclopaedia) and inflation increased 3-fold over the period. So the chinese only got four times as rich as I said before. But that's not bad going is it!
neil9327 1 year ago
@neil9327 The world's largest and most comprehensive encyclopaedia that can be edited by anyone.
angryboy2k9 1 year ago
@angryboy2k9 Edited by -anyone- yes. But reviewed and checked by EVERYONE. That is the root of its power.
neil9327 1 year ago
@neil9327 Edited and checked by anyone, yes. But whos to say if the information is right? If people THINK its right when it isn't, they will change it to the answer that is WRONG and people will say it is RIGHT, see what I mean? And if a minority TRY to change it to the right information, people will just edit it out again to what the majority think it should be.
angryboy2k9 1 year ago
@BolshieBlog So I take it that you now agree with China Worker that as a result of the introduction of capitalism to the Chinese economy living standards of ordinary chinese workers went up tenfold, boom, or crisis.
I think that's the only thing that really matters.
Nice chatting with you.
Neil
neil9327 1 year ago
@BolshieBlog No, wages rose by 1100%. Look at the article. China Worker says wages as a percentage of GDP dropped from 67% to 37%, which is a 44% drop. But as GDP itself rose by 2000% then that 44% drop becomes a 1100% rise in money.
There is only one factor that is relevant to the economic lives of chinese workers, and that is how much money they earn. And they started to earn much much more under capitalism. THAT is why they should be proud of themselves, just as I am of them.
neil9327 1 year ago
@BolshieBlog Yes but in the case of China wages did rise, and the China Worker figures prove this:
In that period of time GDP rose by 2000%, and China Worker says the workers' wages share of this fell from 67% to 37%. Multiply these together: 37/67 * 2000 = 1100% rise in wages
China is still communist in terms of its politics. But since the 1980's it has encouraged capitalism in its industry, and everyone has benefited, even the lowliest workers. They should feel really proud of themselves.
neil9327 1 year ago
@BolshieBlog The Wikipedia page for the economy of the People's republic of China.
This says GDP for 1985 was 896 thousand chinese yuan, and this increased to 18 million by 2005 - that's a 2000% increase.
So at the same time workers wages went from 67% of the first to 37% of the second.
The net effect of this is an increase of chinese workers earnings of 1100%.
This is the effect of capitalism. Capitalism is the best way to prosperity for (almost) everyone. Capitalism works.
neil9327 1 year ago
@BolshieBlog I didn't ignore your evidence, I read it and expressed my view that it was left-wing rubbish.
Let's look at an excerpt from "China Worker". In section "mainland china" - "The Great Crisis.." it says:
"workers' wages as a proportion of GDP have decreased continuously for 22 years, from 67% in 1983 to 37% in 2005"
But over that period chinese GDP went up massively as socialism was eliminated.
So the lesson is clear: Both capitalists and the workers gain under capitalism.
neil9327 1 year ago
@BolshieBlog google "china's boomtowns" to read a National Geographic article about the new industry springing up at a rapid rate over there. Read through the pages on it. To quote from it: "Families opened tiny workshops... and they produced simple goods. Over time, workshops blossomed into full-scale factories", and "Although nearly 80 percent of all Zhejiang entrepreneurs have a formal education of only eight years or less, the province has become the richest in China"
neil9327 1 year ago
I didn't go to Uni and I do ok - living a great life.
hugobear1 1 year ago
@BolshieBlog The cost of living over there is tiny compared to "normal" in the west, so there is plenty of scope to save and invest.
Actually quality and speed of production are factors here; it is only by being very much cheaper than the west that China can currently compete with the west. But the chinese are gaining skills which in combination with their own investment in machinery and innovative ideas are allowing them to out-compete the west AND make big profits for themselves.
neil9327 1 year ago
@BolshieBlog Ah but the money the chinese workers are making at the moment, though not much, is enough to allow them to invest in equipment and form their own companies to produce goods by machine more cheaply than the next poor country can make the goods by hand. Most of the workers were rural farm workers before they were enticed into the cities to work in the factories with offers of higher wages than they could make on the farms; they don't have "third world" poverty levels any more.
neil9327 1 year ago
@BolshieBlog Just google: "wage inflation in china" to see ample evidence of this.
The low wages at the moment are providing enormous inward investment in China, allowing it to become the manufacturing centre of the world, which is making the chinese hugely rich. The low paid workers are gaining valuable skills that will allow them to earn a LOT more in the near future.
Chinaworker dot info is an ultra left-wing website that is blatently wrong and fraudulent like they all are.
neil9327 1 year ago
@BolshieBlog "Slave labour?" Not true any more. Wages in China are shooting up fast at the moment; soon they'll be richer than us.
neil9327 1 year ago
go on paul :):)
emily100094 1 year ago
Paul can suck my tory dicks Y'ALL!
1aloneintheuk 1 year ago
Paul is spot on.
Dendiol 1 year ago
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SmokinAcez205 1 year ago
you're all talk Paul - what have you done apart from help yourself? Perhaps you'd like to go back to 83% tax on high earners like it was in the 70's under Labour if you care so much about students like you say you do.
darkarts59 1 year ago
@A16AdamWalker
so you don't need a degree to get ahead.
What you need are job SKILLS. And experience. And you can get both by starting at the bottom and working your way up in a company, and learning from books.
If I had the time I would go to a university campus and put this across to the students. And if I get my bollocks kicked in then they'll end up with criminal records for assault which really WILL dent their chances of getting a job...
neil9327 1 year ago
@neil9327 right.. so you wanna go to a university and tell them they shouldnt be learning, to further their own and proffessional situations.... how would you like someone to come to your office and talk about communism and how capitalism is a load of shite? plus if we all did what your suggesting, then your back to square one- no standard of skill.
mr420B 1 year ago
@mr420B They should not be learning at the tax payer's expense. They should be learning without drawing a huge amount of money from the tax payer. This can be done either through the internet or by buying books and reading them. That's what I have done in my work in IT, and it has worked well for me. And it can work well for today's students if they set their mind to that task.
If you all do what I'm suggesting, you'll get rich. Do it!
neil9327 1 year ago
@neil9327 if this is about taxpayers money you should campaign against the wars we fund, the royalty we pay millions or how about the millions in tax avoided by major companies, or the bankers who we bail out and continually give bonus' to, or even the fact that our MPs rinse our money- but not against education- you might be able to learn that sort of stuff from a book, but id like to see how you cope in my field, without the appropriate software, tools, machines or materials or funding for.
mr420B 1 year ago
@mr420B Actually I do object to the wars that we fund, but on ethical grounds not financial grounds. Had we not sent troops into Iraq then the cost of oil would have been much higher by now because Saddam Hussein would have restricted supplies.
I thought the queen had started paying taxes?
We should never have bailed out the banks - I always thought that was wrong.
What is your field? Could you do on-the-job training?
neil9327 1 year ago
@neil9327 whats the point in the queen paying taxes on money we give her anyway? and respect for not condoning the war and the bankers.
my course is metalwork and jewellery, and i could go the traditional route of being an apprentice, but by being at university I can learn all the core techniques and material properties, as well as learning to use CNC machines, laser cutters, lathes, paint techniques, working with wood, drawing skills, contextual skills, and generally exploring world of design
mr420B 1 year ago
@mr420B That's a perfect example. A university at the moment will buy the expensive CNC machines and laser cutters so their students can learn. But what a waste, because those machines will probably only be operating 3 hours a day or so.
However in the private arena, an entrepreneur will come along and do a deal with a local company that already has these machines, and use them to run courses for students in the evenings when the machines are not otherwise in use, for a fraction of the price.
neil9327 1 year ago
@neil9327 erm not quite mate- its more like 8am- 4pm constantly getting used, you think we just like to sit at uni and stare at them?? so your saying that companies should take on extra staff to teach people, run up higher electricity bills, leading to higher expenses as well as increasing wear on a machine x2, plus supplying materials solely for students use,- sounds to me like they would need a whole new kind of building to acomdate this kind of teaching- oh wait thats right.....
mr420B 1 year ago
@mr420B The companies would hire out their workspace & machines to teachers hired by external training companies to come along and do the teaching. That way the machines can be in use from 9am-5pm and then on into the evening for the training.
Yes there are additional electrical bills & wear and tear, but you get this in the current scenario just that the wear and tear is spread over two sets of machines.
neil9327 1 year ago
@neil9327 aside from the CNC which is one aspect of my course- they would have to then employ people to teach the other, varying specialist areas, and i doubt that someone trained to use a machine all day long would be suitable- why do you think unis were founded
mr420B 1 year ago
Respond to this video... i guess the point is that uni gives people a chance to explore their subject in depth without other distraction, and can lead them to use techniques or explore different areas without having to buy thousands and thousands of ££ worth of massive industrial machines.
mr420B 1 year ago
Yes right Paul. You students all get your "free education" and then find you can't get a job at the end of it and start whinging again!
neil9327 1 year ago
@neil9327 FUCK YOU YOU STUCK UP TORIE SHAGGING FUCKTARD!!!! YOUR GEN SHOULD DIE NOW YOU COFFIN DODGING CUNTS!!!
A16AdamWalker 1 year ago
@A16AdamWalker er I'm only 36 years old lol.
If you don't like the message Adam don't kill the messenger. You either agree with what I'm saying or you don't. And coming out with a load of abuse doesn't help me understand your message at all.
neil9327 1 year ago
@neil9327 Did I give you permission to call me Adam laddie? no I did not so dinnea act so informal with me. That was not shooting the messenger... messenger would be @neil9327 said " and then quoting the person. And frankly given the way this countries going to shite abuse is the only way people take notice and start listening. You don't like students legit protesting the fucking over of their lives, go onto a campus and say it... and see if you escape with your bollocks in tact
A16AdamWalker 1 year ago
@A16AdamWalker No Adam, you didn't give me permission to call you by that name; I was being polite - that's my style.
What ever makes you think that being denied a university education will result in students' lives being fucked over? Are you suggesting that without a solid academic education they will be unable to do professional intelligent work?
I hope you are not, because that would be dead wrong.
Alan Sugar, John Major, Richard Branson, even Bill fucking Gates have no degree
neil9327 1 year ago
@neil9327 yeah but they all started their empires from money given to them by daddy! you have to have wealth to make it.
plus, for people from a poor background university isnt just a place for gaining a recognised qualification, it is a chance to see the world from a different view, learn alongside people from all over the world and get general life skills. if they were no good then why would they exist?? if they didnt matter then why is a requirement for many professionals to have them??
mr420B 1 year ago
@mr420B WRONG. Alan Sugar's father was as poor jewish immigrant. Richard Branson and Bill Gates had no family financial support either because they didn't need it at any stage. You don't need money to get ahead, you need the right attitude and hard work.
The only reason many professions require people to have degrees is because it shows you have the ability to knuckle down and work hard. In the past they only demanded A-levels. They will go back to demanding only A-levels in the near future.
neil9327 1 year ago
@neil9327 richard branson, i know for a fact, recieved his first cash from daddy- either way if its that easy why arent you a prominent billionaire??
so degrees do benefit ya then! this is my point- people will look to see if you have a dgree, which ya will if ya rich, then reject people who dont, the poor!
even if a levels may help get a job, two years of slightly smarter school wont give you any advantage- i went through college and there is no way me or mates would fend in the industry
mr420B 1 year ago
@mr420B
Degrees only benefit you now because employers know that they are (almost) free to get (at the moment) so they'll wonder why you haven't got one - maybe it's becasue you're a layabout.
But in future they know you can't afford the high fees, so they'll look elsewhere for talent. Employers don't want to hire rich toffs to work for them, they want hard working intelligent people with initiative. And in my experience you find these types of people just as much among the poor as anyone else
neil9327 1 year ago
@mr420B
Well it is 2 days since my last comment and already I have been proved right. Go to the daily mail website, and it has a headline that says that some accountancy companies have said: "We'll bypass graduates and hire straight from schools"
I sometimes give myself credit for predicting the future. But rarely have I got it spot on like that. Two days. lol
neil9327 1 year ago
@neil9327 yeah but thts accountancy- im not brushed up on the details but im pretty sure ya only need a computer and pen and paper to do that, as well as complex maths skills, obviously, but thats simply formulae. compared to, my subject, or engineering, or product design eh? if your sticking to that stance then just wait to see some of the shite produced by school leavers with a crash course in their area- as i said uni develops a personality as much as improves knowledge.
mr420B 1 year ago
@mr420B School leavers maybe. But once they've had a few years working for a private company in industry they'll know a heck of a lot more useful stuff than any graduate.
"develops a personality" rubbish. I went to Cambridge University and my personality wasn't improved diddly squat by it. The only thing I learned was that it was a mistake to have had me there in the first place.
neil9327 1 year ago
@neil9327 so shift the burden onto companies?- make them spend more money on having someone there to hold every new persons hand as they fuck it up repeatedly? thats hardly going to make business more productive. and anyway, most workers who are trained on the job have a very basic knowledge of the things they encounter, and often dont know about them in any depth- rather than being educated on the general principles and how/ why they work - creating a better, more skilled worker
mr420B 1 year ago
@mr420B Basically yes, you take on new people as low paid apprentices who learn the trade alongside their more experienced co-workers. Yes they will fuck up once in a while, but that is part of learning; a university education doesn't prevent fuckups!
Many people who have a "very basic knowledge of the things they encounter" will have chosen not to go to university. Is doesn't follow therefore that those who now cannot go will also have only a basic knowledge; they'll learn as they go.
neil9327 1 year ago
@neil9327 also, just because you think your personality didnt develop at uni, and you didnt have a good time- it doesnt mean that for the vast majority of people this isnt the case. you only have to look around you when your there to see that people change because of the university experience. also just because uni isnt for you, doesnt mean that no one else should be entitled to it- I had a paper round when i was 14 and hated it, but that doesnt mean i discourage all youngsters from working
mr420B 1 year ago
@mr420B That's very true, and I'm sure many other people did have their personalities developed by university. But I can't believe university is the only way to achieve that goal. And "personality development" is a nice-to-have thing, not a necessity, so I don't see why people shouldn't have to pay for it themselves in full.
The important thing is whether people can get jobs that utilise their intellect without a degree - and I think they can.
neil9327 1 year ago
@neil9327 True, but they chose not to go to university, these cuts mean some people don't get a choice.
Rajod100 1 year ago
@Rajod100 The availability of "choice" is only a good thing where the outcome of the choice can be of benefit to the people making the choice. My point is that (with a few exceptions for science & medicine) choosing to go to university now doesn't help you. The only benefit in the past was that everone else had degrees and if you didn't you were the odd one out - probably something wrong with you in some way.
You don't have that problem now.
neil9327 1 year ago
@neil9327 Do NOT use Bill Gates as an example of people without a degree! He dropped out of college to work with a computer company (Launching him into the computer business that he now looms over). He didn't get a degree because he was taken in DURING college... Also bare in mind that he was believed to have autism/aspergers which, if you do your research will know, means he is more logical and has a specific interest (Computers in his case) and the ability to work long hours without rest.
angryboy2k9 1 year ago
@neil9327 Sorry to drag on but also bare in mind that MANY famous people who pushed forward mankind (Issac Newton, Albert Einstein and Charles Darwin, for example) were all believed to have this disorder, and look how they pushed science forwards! Also a less-well-known man called Satoshi Tajiri, who created the famous game Pokèmon, had the disorder, and look how well he did thanks to his disorder.
angryboy2k9 1 year ago
@neil9327 and are all around 60 lol i get your point but i don't think in this day and age it's really possible to come from nothing to being a millionaire, i'm 22 and i can honestly say in education or not the people i no that are going to end up doing well are those with well off parents or the one's with good connections not the one's that just have the will to work long and hard, just seems like back then there was allot more opportunity you no?
Bodybuddha 1 year ago
@Bodybuddha So you are saying that in the 1970's and 80's it was possible to go from nothing to being a millionaire, and that now it is not. So what has changed then, that makes this an impossibility? Are you suggesting that the world has stopped changing and evolving, that society no longer needs intelligent original independent ambitious individuals to push it forward?
Come along now, there's never been a better time to make a difference. What are you waiting for?
neil9327 1 year ago
@neil9327 i don't no what's changed i wasn't born then :p but yea i hope i am wrong tbh =)
Bodybuddha 1 year ago
@neil9327 your not simply the messenger if you support the tories.
mr420B 1 year ago
Much respect to Paul, it had to be said. We all have a voice and if we shout loud enough they HAVE to listen. After all this is OUR country not Cameron or Clegg's.
I wrote a song called March On (Take Back England). Please take a listen on my channel and if you like it subscribe.
I hate spamming like this but I just want people to hear my message.
Cheers. x
PunkHeartMusic 1 year ago
Well done Paul!!!
tellyontellyon 1 year ago
totally 80s
ybot1983 1 year ago
Great stuff Paul. One thing though. Statutory grants of up to £3000 a year have been available to council estate kids for years now. Unlike access to private education. Where are the protestors whining about access to Eton or Harrow?
The cuts in university funding are a genuine issue. Tuition fees are about rich kids whining.
egapnala65 1 year ago
Absolute legend Paul tell it like it is.
VioletSkye81 1 year ago
pay for your own education. i don't want too.
express375 1 year ago
@express375 Who paid for your education then?
jondaken 1 year ago
all the students who will graduate, get jobs and become part of a society will NOT vote for the tories or the democrats. welldone to both parties
rockyrules1 1 year ago
GOOD ON YER PAUL!!!
IDrinkYourMilkshake8 1 year ago
yup, totally...education is for all...see this is what happen when we let the tories in
MsBethanyT 1 year ago
as my grandmother used to say; "prolly-vision"
rmckim 1 year ago
Absolutely!
MaladyKitty 1 year ago
This needed to be said by someone famous and on TV. GO PAUL! I was there on Wednesday and you could feel the anger in the atmosphere. This generation have been sold out completely and it is an utter disgrace. Thank you for highlighting this & supporting students x
rewedy 1 year ago 36
Nice one!
polkadotnic 1 year ago
Damn straight.
theoriginaljohnobrow 1 year ago
fuck the police
chefdeals 1 year ago