The Southern Confederate states knew that Secession was their right being they volunteered themselves into the Union, they could volunteer themselves out. Contrary to popular belief Lincoln was not strongly against slavery. Lincoln started the War by essentially occupation of southern cities with federal troops. the Confederate states saw this exactly as a threat to liberty, Just as their ancestors saw the British occupation. and withdrew from the union. Their "Lexington green" was at Sumtner.
my belief is , had they stayed in the south they would have won their Independance by simply defending their homeland. They were doing awesome the first half of the war, then they got hasty and wanted Gettysburg thats when things turned sour.
Just goes to show; from 1776 to 1861 is, get this right now, 85 years, not 'over 100 years later. You will never make headway if you can't make the SIMPLEST statements. Til then, Shut The Hell UP!
Unlike the Founding Fathers of the U.S. Constitution, who were too embarrassed to mention slavery by name in their document, the Founding Fathers of the C.S. Constitution refer to slavery explicitly throughout.
@Bigmoonproductions - Can you provide a source instead of just making stuff up? I study the American Civil War all the time, and have read both pro-C.S.A. and pro-U.S.A. books and websites, and have never come across something like that.
@Informer3X But just saying that the C.S.A. was a cult and that I had anything to do with neo-nazi's was kinda funny because you just said I didn't have half a mind (It made my day)
And my whole point in this argurement wasn't about how slavery was bad, but how african americans (i said that because according to people like you saying "black" is racist) make it out to more then it actually was (just like the fantasy of every colonist up to WWI lived in a log cabin).
@EnderGhost119 The CSA was founded because the southern states felt the need to separate from the rest, that is it. It had nothing to do with slavery or racism. If the south wanted to stay in the Union and slavery was the only issue the other states could have gone to war without seceding the Corwin amendment puts the slavery argument to rest. We could not stand the northeastern Yankees who were flooding into the rest of the north and starting to wield a large level of influence.
@EnderGhost119 Yankees were culturally different to us in every way, still are. They wanted this nationalized empire that we have now instead of a free confederation of sovereign bodies that the Constitution lays out. It took 10 years to convert the US into a super state enslaving future generations to a central authority and I hope it doesn't take 10 more once this Government exhausts itself to make things right.
@Informer3X k watch?v=x3Jzw9JZlrs&feature=related
And I'm pretty sure only liberals call republicans "extremists" so I'm pretty sure you just did support it.
And it's not "history revisionist" if you actually paid attention in school and not droping out and working at some fast food place tehn you would know.... but you don't...
And um.. you still havn't answered me about where you got the whole C.S.A=cult
And how i'm a neo-nazi.... answer me and you might have half a mind.
No you moronic weasel, 200,000 blacks served with the Union, but the Confederacy had nearly none: a few hundred in an honor guard in Louisiana or Mississippi, if I remember correctly. The South also massacred surrendered black soldiers at the Fort Pillow massacre, highlighting their humanity and respect. And by the way, stop spreading the lie: the South had many times more slaves than the North, look up the 1860 census. But then again, you don't believe in facts, do you?
@Informer3X, Read Uber Alles, Dictatorship comes to America. Then come talk to me and get more information and tell me that the North wasnt as evil as the South, its bullshit. History is written by the victors. If UK won the American Revolution, youd probably be a Loyalist bastard.
Lincoln Uber Alles chronicles Lincoln's increase of presidential powers, which by the way dropped to pre-war levels after his assassination, and never increased again until Teddy Roosevelt. In many ways, it is contradicted totally by the history which it pretends to explain. I don't see how any intelligent historian would call the book truthful, especially given that its author is not even mentioned in historical analysis circles.
@aranelinya same is happening to you with outer world. Open your eyes.. its propaganda.. for your opinions to always be in their own filthy favour for their lame xcuzes of doing shit .
@CelticSouthland spirits are hight.. keep them hight.. world is waiting to witness flag of C.S.A earning its freedom for good. Love to see that flag waving
No it wasn't.... it was about control. Slavery could have been handeled differently by buying all the slaves... a suggestion made years before the war. Blacks and indians fought on and on behalf of both sides. Relatives against relatives... it was a sad and needless loss of life. Slavery was on the way of going out because it was cheaper to hire people to work in factories and not take care of them.
The war was not about slavery is was about to much control from the federal government and the south had had enough besides the confederate constitution outlawed the slave trade so slavery was going out eventually the north just handled the wrong way and it caused the southern economy to crumble and hurt the U.S. after the war
@ElTejon47901 You've been reading too many Northern history books. Remember that history is written by the victor, no matter how unjust their cause is. If the war was over slavery, why did 96% of the Confederate Army not own slaves? Including Lee, Longstreet, or Jackson? Yet Sherman and Grant both did? Why were there Northern slave states? Why did the Confederate Constitution outlaw importing more slaves? Why did entire black regiments fight for the Confederacy?
Lee didn't own slaves at first, but was given control of 70 of them through a writ in George Washington Curtis's will...and though Curtis died believing that Lee would free them, he didn't. "Stonewall" Jackson owned six slaves, though history records him as being humane towards them. Longstreet has no record of owning slaves, though I would have expected you to hate him, as he was what you call a "scalawag". Grant owned one slave in his entire life, and Sherman owned none.
@Informer3X Most of the founding fathers owned slaves including our frist presisdent.
And people who say that slave owners just beat their slaves for no reason I have a question: Would you go and buy an expensive car then just hit it with a brick or something for no reason?
Yes, they all did. But history records all of them has having had the intent of freeing their slaves upon death or whenever they "were not needed" anymore. Most of the Founding Fathers, especially Jefferson, were in great debt when the Revolutionary War ended. They saw slaves on their plantation as one of the few ways out.
Now then, the car analogy doesn't really work at all. If you hit a car, it doesn't learn fear and then heal itself, does it?
No, I got your point. But you forget that people (oh, wait, I forgot you Tea-Party happy conservatives don't think of non-WASPS as humans) remember fear, and also heal from wounds. Slaves, after all, weren't exactly willing to help gun-brandishing, tea-drinking white folk with menial and cradle-to-grave labor. Just in case you forgot that it wasn't a volunteer thing.
But no one said that there was no reason for beating. There were plenty of "good" reasons, right?
Your car analogy is made of fail. You still don't get that humans' wounds heal over time. But I prove myself again: you don't think of blacks as human, do you? Just a white man's tool, right?
Now, the great thing about American slavery was that it passed on from generation to generation. It's an ingenious device by the South's plantation owners to ensure a constant population of slaves.
Now then, when the Civil War rolled around, slaves could not buy their freedom anymore.
In addition, there were far more slaves in the South. Take a look at the 1860 census numbers. But then again, Tea-Party conservatives sympathetic to the CSA and slavery don't believe in facts. And no, slaves did not have weekends off. Maybe 1/100 slaveowners allowed their slaves "weekends off", but almost always it was only Sunday, if only because of fear of God. Absolutely sickening that you defend the institution of slavery.
you ignorant uneducated moron.....read the true writings of Lincoln, he was a true racist...he drummed up support to preserve his own agenda any way he could, he didn't give two shits about slaves and most of the people of the south were NOT slave owners, a very few of the wealthy did own them.
@Tir1962 -Neo-Confederates are the morons, you shoeless booger-eating, sister-fucking hilljack.
Slavery was the cornerstone of the Confederacy just as Alexander Stephens said. Not that you sister-fuckers can read, but the Confederate Constitution, the Confederate leaders, the petitions of sucession, antebellum politics, all show that the South fought for slavery and white supremacy.
“I am not ashamed of having fought on the side of slavery " John S. Mosby.
dave777blaster yez thats was allso a part od the revolution , and taxation without rep..was also a part of it.. and its gonna be time for another sooner ;)
There were a plethora of factors involved. We had to leave the rest of the states had totally different wants, needs and desires. We were losing all of our federal representation. The north and west were filling up with Yankees.
Let us not also forget the white slaves who made up close to 50% of slaves during those times. And let us also not forget that there were many FREE black men who owned slaves... black and white. It is true history. Although it is not "politically correct" to teach these facts in schools anymore
Blacks had been slaves under the starts and stripes for far longer than they had been under the stars and bars too. Interesting point to keep in mind for when some wise ass pops off claiming that the South was/is racist or something
PaulUmbarger, also remember that there were no slaveships flying the Stars and Bars. They flew the Stars and Stripes. Also keep in mind the Confederate Constitution outlawed the importation of more slaves. The South was well aware that the institution would die out on its own. We fought for what was right - not slavery, but the right of self governance.
Very true! It's also pretty important to note that it would have died out even sooner had it not been for the Cotton Gin which made cotton king. Of course, there are a lot of folks that will say the South was evil no matter how wrong you prove them to be. It's just "PC" to be anti-South right now. In another 50 years, it'll swing the other way I'm sure. Maybe sooner if we're lucky.
New England Slave Ships brought all of the slaves here under those horrible inhumane conditions. No southern state ever sent out a slave ship. That was strictly a new england business.
This is a good video but it was "kinGdom" not "kindom." Also, it wasn't over a hundred years after the Revolution that the Civil War started. The Revolution was from 1774 to 1783; the Civil War began in 1861.
You've got a good eye, and a quick thinking mind. Your correct there's a typo in "kingdom", and the war was actually less then 100 years after. I posted the mistakes you found in the video description.
Nightshift10000, We can all tell that you have been "educated" and that's why you are mislead, you need to learn the truth and really be educated. Schools do not teach the truth, as confederate general Patric Cleburn said (Surrender means that the history of this heroic struggle will be written by the enemy, that our youths will be taught by northern school teachers; Learn from northern school books, Their version of the war.)
The Confederate States of America actualy had far more reason to seced from the Union than the Colonist did to rebell against the British. In fact the Boston Tea Party was thrown over only a 10% tax on English Tea while the Southern States were taxed in a range of 20 -47% on all cotton that was being exported from the region durring the time of the civil war under the Morrill Tarriff. This is not the most popular fact in the eyes of the govenment but it is the truth.
shakespeare wasnt a very good speller .his grammer mmmm.,but shakpeare message was and is clear.notice hardly any one ever points out that playrights spelling is not noticed.
I think it's not that he was a bad speller. I think it's more to the tune that in those days, not much consideration was paid to how the word was spared as much as to how it sounded.
This is how history should be written. Write the history books with the title of the "civil war" being the Second War for independence and people would see the war for what it really was.
if we could ever shrink the fed down to it's proper size this would be possible. With the fed controlling the schools right now they pretty much get to dictate what our children or taught or we face the consequences of paying even more taxes to homeschool them.
The problem is that they don't teach us anything they tell us bull like "oh the csa wasn't a "real" nation because it wasn't recognized by the US" so? England didn't automatically recognize the US. A nation doesn't depend on other nations consent it just is. It's the will of the people. Schools don't teach us anything, we just learn bits and pieces not anything close to the truth, like Lincolnbroke an armistice which actually instigated the war or where ft sumpter is. (most americans don't know)
Luigi84289, you are right government schools control your conditioning. Subjects are abbreviated in public schools. Keep researching for the truth about all subjects, not just history. The War for Southern Independence was fought over the Constitution, particularly the tenth amendment.
"We won the War but lost the Republic." A. Lincoln
"If I thought this war was over slavery, I would turn in my sword and go over to the other side." US Grant
Okay, a couple of things. First, correct the typo in your opening slide {put the G in Kingdom}.Next, the War of 1776 started out as a protest and became a war after British troops tried to enforce martial law. Succession wasn't first choice. When the war became too expensive and unpopular, Britain let you go. You were only a colony, not a full part of the Empire. The South is a fully represented part of the US that spat the dummy when it couldn't get it's own way and was brought to heel.
where has the great debater gone? you don't wanny talk about screwin pigs or anything...you arrogant northern piece of sh4t. You blue state trash has ruined your part of the county with you social programs and forced diversity and you're dragging the rest of Western Civilisation down with you. $uck you and $uck Lincoln.
Cmon man...its that law that says a president can raise an army and send it into American States to wage a brutal war, wrecking the economy, pliging, murdering...supressing a people after they Democratically voted in a way contrary to his whims...I'm sure it's somewhere in the Constitution...maybe a Supreme Court ruling...oh yeah, its not there or Lincoln wouldn't have issued a warrant for the arrest of the Chief Justice for disagreeing with him.
It was never the South's intention to control the rest of the continent. That's bullshit and I challange you to show me quote, anything that proves it...dumbass. You still haven't showed me the law that allows the union to be preserved by force...im waiting. The 10th Amendment allows the States to withdraw powers given to the Federal govt. The Revolution and the Dec. of Independence is our moral precedent. Show me the law!
The second that the People of South Carolina withdrew their consent from the US govt. and placed it in their own, Fort Sumter as well as the troops in it were on forien soil without cause. The Confederate govt. offered to reimburse the Federal govt. but Lincoln refused. As far as our 'march toward Washington, I assume you mean after we whipped your asses at Manassas? Lincoln had already invaded us dipshit. Lincoln already started the war, we were fighting to win.
Military conquest can never be the final say in a constitutional matter. Tell me, word for word, qoute it from the Constitution if you have to: what right did the Union have to preserve itself through force of arms when it could not do so democratically? We Voted to seperate. So tell me, I wanna see this legal right...I'm waiting genius
There's the difference dummy, Jefferson Davis, the only American president at the time who actually had a formal education, led a nation fighting for its DEFENSE. We didn't invade you...every norther soldier who died in the South deserved it. You can never legally or constitutionally justify the invasion of the South. Davis waged war on other Americans because they were down here. Understand the difference moron?
Yes and the First American President to enactivly wag war on other Americans, suspend the law of the land for his own benefit, imprisoned tens of thousands of northerners, invaded a soveriegn nation without causing400,000 Americans to die in the process. No we're all American's you dipshit your guy was the bigoted motherfucker that insisted on seperation.
They invaded you? So, the Southern units that tried to starve out and then fired on the soldiers at Fort Sumpter {who were there before the South Succeeded} while negotiations for the possible repatriation of the soldier was still going on were, what? The justification for the invasion was to secure Federal Property {or did that just automatically become yours?} and enforce the law. Or should the rights of the loyalists {there were plenty} have been left in the tender care of the confederacy?
The 'justification' for the invasion was not to secure Federal property. I could send a fourth grader into a library and in about ten minutes he could tell me Lincoln's motive, which was to "suppress the rebellion", in his own words. And no we didn't think it was automatically ours. Before the first shot was fired, delegations offered to pay the US govt full value, not just for Sumter, but for every existing Federal installation in the Southern States.
By ratio and percentage of referendum votes, there were more loyalists that oppossed the secession from Great Britain than those that oppossed the secession from the Union...so don't pull that dead argument out of you ass. Once Lincoln refused to remove what became foriegn troops, he committed an act of war...giving anyone the right to blow them out of the fort. It's called Transfer of Soveriegnty.
The ELECTED Legislature of South Carolina voted unanimously 169-0...169-0 to withdraw form the Federal Compact. This is what is called Constitutional Republican government...It's what the Declaration of Independance is based on and its justified by the great thinkers on Liberty from Jefferson to Adams, to Locke, to Mill, to Cicero... You cannot ever justify Lincoln's war.
Why do you think Jefferson Davis was never given a trial. If Lincoln and his henchman were so right you think they wouldn't be able to wait to put the Confederate leaders on trial and hang them. They knew that no crime had been committed and that no objective jury from Maine to California would convict. Please, read a few books before embarassing yourself. And by the way, you spelled secession wrong, you ignorant dumbass. Here you are ranting against something you can't even spell.
Federal Soldiers didn't enter Fort Sumter until 6 days after South Carolina seceded. They also spiked cannons in another South Carolina fort before the entered Fort Sumter. What were they trying to say by that???
Everything Mountaincliber78 is correct, if anyone broke from the constitution it was Lincoln. Instead of allowing the south to succeed which was their constitutional right as states, Lincoln is doing what every president since has done exert federal power over the states power. He did many unconstitutional acts, Started a war without approval of congress, blocked southern ports, suspended habeus corpus, arresting citizens without warrants, censoring telegraphs, seizing prive property, like guns.
What's so funny about you're flawed ranting is that the South had legal precedent. The process in which the Souther States withdrew from the Union and formed a confederacy was identical to the process used by the Colonials. There is literally no difference, except for the fact that we literlly had no right to withdraw from the British Empire, while we had legal right in the form of presedence and the 10th Amendment to pull out of union with you simpletons. It's amazing how you ignore this!
Yes the South did and The Union had the right to Fight and regain it and the Union fought to regain the South and won, your side lost tough shit, you lost stop trolling about it.
I'm not talkin about one of those online colleges. I'll agree, Lincoln should not have been shot after the war was over, but the man who did it, really was a coward. He should have shot Lincoln ealier on, when it might have done some good. Lincoln had it coming...no other president in history ever waged war on other Americans, suspended the law of the land, imprisoned tens of thousands of [northern] dissenters, invaded a soveriegn nation without cause, not caused 400,000 Americans to die.
The Man that shot Lincoln was a coward just like all the other confederate shit heads. Lincoln was the Greastest President this Nation has ever known. No other president in history ever waged war on other Americans? Your leaving out jefferson davis the biggest imbred piss pot of them all.
Oh yeah My College wasn't online, I was a lagitamit College. I'm not saying which one of course. No need to have your entire imbred posse come up here.
Go look up the Hartford Convention you dumbshit and you'll see where we got our inspiration from. I don't think we have any swamps around here, but I don't there's been a study done about the swamp:education ratio. I'll look into it. You can only assume that Lincoln's war saved you all problems later on, you have no refenrence to tell, stupid. So how far did you get in highschool??
Sorry but from what I'm hearing your the dumbshit here. It's funny you want facts from Me but I don't see any from you, but that's what I expected your a fucking hypocrite. And you can only assume that a so called independence south or Confederated America would be better than the one We have now, so stop wasting My time with rhetoric, and Like I said I Graduated College. How far did you get in preschool?
Nightshift10000, get a history book and not something the liberal education system is teaching you. The South had the legal right to succeed if under the 10th Amendment, they did so. Ever since the Clinton administration, more states have started declaring sovereignty under the 10th Amendment. Another revolution is coming. The South was right. Because that war wasn't won, another one will have to be fought to preserve the Bill of Rights from the FED.
Yep sadly this an inevitable eventuality. Unless the fed actually listens to the states demands. What will eventually happen if it doesn't is 1 of 2 possibilites if enough states secede this time to check and mate them. (I'm betting they will with all the crazyness obama is planning) 1 smaller nations are formed with similar versions of the US constitution while 1 still remains the well known US with the traditional constitution. In this case the CSA could possibly
be reformed. 2 the states unanimously agree to rebuild the fed and possibly propose new amendments to prevent what Lincoln started from ever happening again. Even well educated northern politicians back up that lincoln for what ever good he may have "possibly" done is responsible for the fed being the way it is. I say the formation of smaller nations is the best option to prevent this situation from ever happening again because it promotes an extra check of
Besides We never knew anyway your side being the imbred cowards they were assassinated Lincoln and showed to all people in this country how spineless you confederates were, but those days are over now.
Come on give me some solid facts here and stop talking about juggling dicks and screwing pigs. I don't care about your 'diverse' hobbies, I want a real argument from you supported by historical fact...come on thirdshift, go find that old middle school text book you've been referencing you uneducated, bigoted, piece of sh4t. I know you got your GED, but your still stupid. Who else would use 'HAHAHA' in a sentence?
There your hobbies (obviously) I'm just stating the obviously like your lies and misinformation about events that you cannot change. God third shift what the fuck do that mean. Ah and the imbred bigoted aryan neo-nazi accusses Me of racism HAHAHA I love it. I Graduated College a year ago un like you who was kicked out of preschool for being a moron, look shut up, stop being such a fag and get educated on the facts, it's not that hard.
You're probably just mad because Southerner contributed more to Colonial America than did the clodhopper lumberjacks and Puritan freaks that were your ancestors. Your mad because George Washington was a Southerner(yeah he owned slaves, who cares) Your mad because we can claim Patrick Henry, Thomas Jefferson, and Francis Marion. The South built this counry, you all just ruined it.
Actually I'm irritated by this rather idiotic display of personal loathing about events that can not be changed and about ignorance that can not be persuaded. The North Built this Country, It was Northern States that started and maintained the Revolution, I'm surprised at your ignorance yet again, and after that most of the development was done in the North. Sorry oh imbred piece of shit but the North built this nation and all your kind did was bitch and moan like whores.
There in lies the issue...you only have an elementary understanding of what you're talking about. You don't know anything about history...I've studied it longer that you've worked third shift making rubber dog sh$t. You an typical ignorant northerner who has no real signifigant history so you attack ours, becasue we were the only one with the balls to stand up to the Federal govenrment, like our ancestors had done to King George. You live in a socialist industrial shit hole that has no values
And you live in an inbred swamp of ignorance and shortsightedness called the south. You are of course a stupid fucking southern piece of imbred shit that has studied nothing. I have actually done My homework and all I have found on this subject is that the North winning saved this Country a lot of fucked up shit later on. Those were our ancestors that stood up to King George. Of course your ancestors rising up for anarchy had nothing to do with our Rising for Freedom.
Back to the Jew issue. Jews have flourished the most in American History, in the Confederacy. They gained top positions in the Southern govt. The US govt. still hasn't mathced this...looks like northers are mor like nazis. You know its always been the last minute defense of someone who has no idea what he's talking about, to always compare his enemies to the nazies, hoping to win an argument through slam tactics rather than reason...like u thirdshift, all you have yet to make a real point.
Yes Being hanged by the KKK is really florishing when they were marching right beside Us in the Union Army as Volinteers and not shields like African-Americans. And Yes it always has been the last minute defense of someone who has no idea what he's talking about, to always compare his enemies to the nazies, but when that acusation is true then the spectrum changes. I have made several real points. Your Libratraian movement was an anarchistic nightmare that would consume all that We love.
A Federal officer watching Confederate troops pass through Frederick, Maryland noted that at least a quarter of the armed troops were black...entire Southern units spoke only French, we had thousands of Jews in the ranks, Easterh Europeans, even a small number of Asians...The Southern army, unlike you learned in your highschool history class was 'diverse'. Some of our finest generals were immigrants, and more that a few were grads of Harvard and Yale.
Yes using the African-American's as human shields, African-Americans that were enlisted by their masters to fight in their stead. Speaks volumes to the bravery of the white imbreds of the confederacy, HAHAHA that's funny, the Union Army was the diverse Army any one with at least an elementary School Education knows that.
Look I have no time for your imbred stupidity and ignorance of history. I know this the North won the Civil War for the better so stop trolling about it and get a life (That doesn't involve screwing pigs).
There was More than One difference between the American Revolution and the Civil War. American Revolution - Freedom from tyranny, Independence To Be Our Own Nation.
Civil War (South)- Whiny Ignorance, complaining about taxes, slavery, anarchy and just plain bigotry
Can u give a reasonable explanation as to just how the Confederate govt. was an insturment of anarchy...without using "dickjuggler"..lol, that must be something guys do up in that socialist hell hole you call home...lol
No that's something those trailer trash whores do in your neck of the woods. The reason the confederacy wanted anarchy is because besides it's whining about taxes it wanted a 99% reduction in Government which is also known as anarchy, oh and by the way the U.S. Government controls affairs down in the South to (but I gues your to stupid to know that or to arrogent) so what ever happens here happens there and I don't see any socialism here so.
Southerners were primarily British, Scots_Irish in their ancestry...whereas more than a few Union generals spoke German. Since your so anal about Germans, dumbass, lets do some comparisons. I'll state an historical fact and then I'll put the nations to which it applies...follow me so far you enlightened northerer? US for your beloved Union, CS for my country, and G for Germany. O.k. here we go dummy...
Yeah ok I'm sorry but your disecting backgrounds and I'm pointing out Ideological similarities. Germany under the nazi ragime believed in Jew Hatred and subjegation, much like the south. The North Believed that all Men were created Equal and that This Country should not be divided up, sorry pal but the Union is coming up kind of clean here.
Funny but dumb. You have no proof of an concentration camps, yes there were detention facilities but the south had those too.
Nations that invaded their neighboring states and waged war against civilians - The South or are you forgetting Fort Sumpter. Jefferson Davis being the hate monger that he was broke plenty of laws in his time as president of the confederacy and senate, oh and by the way his cabinet was an oligarchy by the way so what do you have to say to that?
Look are you done being a gray coated idiot, because 140 years ago My ancestors sent your ancestors running, pissing their pants to their mommies when We won the War. The Confederates were a bunch of imbred piss pots that couldn't fight worth a damn and nothing like Our Colonial Ancestors at least our Colonial Ancestors had honor and dignity. Huh it's funny if you wereold enough to have lived in those time and you looked out over the Armies, the south was all white and North was diverse.
then I guess that God and the devil don't have anything for you because I'f I'm too ignorant to do anything important for a living then life and death have no place for someone as ignorant as you.
Did you ever learn to research anything, or do you just prefer to talk out of your a%%? You wanna see a concrete Confederate army?? Try invading the Swiss Confederacy...yes it is a Confederacy, maybe you'll want to sue them for offending you with their form of government. That little confederacy can field a highly trained army of half a million volunteers within a 24 hour period. You ignorant moron.
I know that you never learned to research anything, that's obvious. HAHAHAHA the swiss those losers that surrendered to hitler before the invasion of nazi forces oh dear I don't know wether to laugh at you or cry for you. Do a little research of your own you ignorant moron, they would probably surrender to Me like they surrendered to hitler, hell you would like the swiss you Jew hating, dick juggling thunder cunt. As for the swiss and the southern army fuck um, the worst armies on Earth.
Again thank's for proving My point that A Confederated America would have surrendered to the German Empire And/Or The nazi's with the swiss army example, now go take your pills to combat the stupidity.
Since you are playing hindsight connect the dots with history, consider this thirdshift, if we had one our independence and there were two seperate nations, you northerners, predominately Germanic and Eastern European in ancestry...at worst would have allied with Germany in WW1. At best you all would have remained neutral. Either way, dumbass, Germany would have one WW1...see where I'm going. .
Without the humiliation inflicted on post-war Germany that France and Great Britian poured onto the Germans, Hitler wouldn't have had a snowball's chance in hell of coming to power. Ergo, no WW2.
God your a bigger idiot than I thought. You southerners are related to Europeans as well (Maybe even more so). Look stop being a moron wake up and see the history, it was two Northern American Presidents that wanted Warfare with the Germans and nazi's. You southerners wanted to keep Blacks subjegated and Jews murdered, sorry but it sounds like you southerners if you'd won would have either surrendered to the German's like you precious Swiss boys or aligned with them yourself's.
oh but that's right the entire U.S. would have been the C.S. so yeah your right under the confederate tyranny the entire COuntry would have join the AXIS!
Oh yeah, about you're comment on how "confederacies can't form concrete armies"...are you kidding me? Do some research on the Army of Northern Virginia you dummy. It's cohesion and its victories won it a near mythical reputaion. Winston Churchill called it the "greatest army to every march the face of the earth". The Confederacy fielded three major field armies which year after year defeated and held at bay much larger and better supplied Federal armies.
Wow your dumber than I thought you were and that was pretty dumb. BRAVO. Hey idiot all that the south could form legally were militias, and I would like to see a crappy southern militia stand up to adolf hitlers hordes of Millions, Winston Churchill called it the "greatest army to every march the face of the earth and yet your side lost to Mine, I guess Winston Churchill had altzimers because you'd have to be an idiot to think that about the southern army. Your idiocy is making Me feel sad.
What is this fascinatin you have with nazis? On behalf of the thousands of Southern men who gave their lives defeating the nazis, f%%% y%% you piece of ignorant Shi#. Southerners and nazis are polar opposites. We fought for independence and to be left alone. Nazis, much like northerners, wanted to control everyone and everything. In fact, American support for the nazias came from the north from the men like Joe Kennedy, JFK's father. Southerners hated nazis you dummy
America would have been broken, and unable to raise a large Army to stop the nazi's! MY GOD do I have to spell it out for you or are you just that stupid and naive. We Northerners knew that We had to stay united as a nation, We unlike you ignorant southerners knew that there were horrible dangers and even as it is written in the Bible a House divided will never stand. It doesn't matter how much you southerners hate nazis although I doubt that given slavery thriving in the south. They'd have won.
And if anyone believes that slavery could have lasted more that thirty years after it came to an end, Southern victory, or not, then like you, he would be an idiot. Economics would have killed it.
Actually anyone with a rudementry knowledge of economics would know because of our economy slavery would have thrived, that's why the American and japanese Science devisions are throwing millions if not billions into the expansion of robotics and android technology, if the south hadn't lost and the entire U.S. become confederate then slavery would still be alive and strong in America, oh wait that's if the nazi's or imperial Germans hadn't conquered our broken nation first, get a life you idiot.
nightshift...you're an idiot, but you have a knack for pulling some wierd ideas out of your a%%. It's absurd to believe that the South wanted to take over the rest of America. They were fighting to be independent of the rest of America, at least the northeastern part.
and where do your idea's come from, I shutter to think. by the way your racist confederate bullshit must sound like music to you when it sounds like, Well just that bullshit to the rest of us that actually have an IQ going above one digit. The south wanted the entiratty of America as a confederacy and it became more evident as the war drug on and on, that's why they were marching to Washington you idiot to take the Country in the name of the confederacy, glad to hear you want to speak German.
Had the south succeeded in it's mission Americans would all be speaking German right about now and the majority of us would not exist, Either and German or nazi government would be ruling the Earth right about now and No One Would Have Freedom.
If the South had won it's War For Independence then the NORTH would most likely be speaking German. They're the centralized totalitarian anti-State's Rights government ones, not the South!
I want to transform the USA into the CSA
SouthernSalute 1 week ago
Time for another revolution asap!
WeVoteRight 3 months ago
The Southern Confederate states knew that Secession was their right being they volunteered themselves into the Union, they could volunteer themselves out. Contrary to popular belief Lincoln was not strongly against slavery. Lincoln started the War by essentially occupation of southern cities with federal troops. the Confederate states saw this exactly as a threat to liberty, Just as their ancestors saw the British occupation. and withdrew from the union. Their "Lexington green" was at Sumtner.
nebraskapatriot01 4 months ago
my belief is , had they stayed in the south they would have won their Independance by simply defending their homeland. They were doing awesome the first half of the war, then they got hasty and wanted Gettysburg thats when things turned sour.
nebraskapatriot01 4 months ago
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nebraskapatriot01 4 months ago
Just goes to show; from 1776 to 1861 is, get this right now, 85 years, not 'over 100 years later. You will never make headway if you can't make the SIMPLEST statements. Til then, Shut The Hell UP!
Valiant114 6 months ago
Superb Video!
D.V.
RipsnortinRebel 8 months ago
To true, If I had been their in that time I would have sided with the Confederacy regardless of the results.
firepatriot42 1 year ago
@EnderGhost119 Our educational system is bullshit. You don't learn anything but love dc, love dc, love dc. They are God and always right.
Luigi84289 1 year ago
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Luigi84289 1 year ago
Unlike the Founding Fathers of the U.S. Constitution, who were too embarrassed to mention slavery by name in their document, the Founding Fathers of the C.S. Constitution refer to slavery explicitly throughout.
Zeeboe 1 year ago
@Bigmoonproductions - Can you provide a source instead of just making stuff up? I study the American Civil War all the time, and have read both pro-C.S.A. and pro-U.S.A. books and websites, and have never come across something like that.
Zeeboe 1 year ago
@Informer3X But just saying that the C.S.A. was a cult and that I had anything to do with neo-nazi's was kinda funny because you just said I didn't have half a mind (It made my day)
And my whole point in this argurement wasn't about how slavery was bad, but how african americans (i said that because according to people like you saying "black" is racist) make it out to more then it actually was (just like the fantasy of every colonist up to WWI lived in a log cabin).
EnderGhost119 1 year ago
@EnderGhost119 The CSA was founded because the southern states felt the need to separate from the rest, that is it. It had nothing to do with slavery or racism. If the south wanted to stay in the Union and slavery was the only issue the other states could have gone to war without seceding the Corwin amendment puts the slavery argument to rest. We could not stand the northeastern Yankees who were flooding into the rest of the north and starting to wield a large level of influence.
Luigi84289 1 year ago 2
@EnderGhost119 Yankees were culturally different to us in every way, still are. They wanted this nationalized empire that we have now instead of a free confederation of sovereign bodies that the Constitution lays out. It took 10 years to convert the US into a super state enslaving future generations to a central authority and I hope it doesn't take 10 more once this Government exhausts itself to make things right.
Luigi84289 1 year ago
@Informer3X k watch?v=x3Jzw9JZlrs&feature=related
And I'm pretty sure only liberals call republicans "extremists" so I'm pretty sure you just did support it.
And it's not "history revisionist" if you actually paid attention in school and not droping out and working at some fast food place tehn you would know.... but you don't...
And um.. you still havn't answered me about where you got the whole C.S.A=cult
And how i'm a neo-nazi.... answer me and you might have half a mind.
EnderGhost119 1 year ago
@Informer3X And just for your information racism is still accepted, its just reversed.
EnderGhost119 1 year ago
@Informer3X So you saying that a country was a cult?
You ARE dumb lol....
EnderGhost119 1 year ago
@EnderGhost119
No, because that was the 19th century, when racism was still accepted, as was child labor and cocaine use.
Informer3X 1 year ago
@Bigmoonproductions
No you moronic weasel, 200,000 blacks served with the Union, but the Confederacy had nearly none: a few hundred in an honor guard in Louisiana or Mississippi, if I remember correctly. The South also massacred surrendered black soldiers at the Fort Pillow massacre, highlighting their humanity and respect. And by the way, stop spreading the lie: the South had many times more slaves than the North, look up the 1860 census. But then again, you don't believe in facts, do you?
Informer3X 1 year ago
@Informer3X, Read Uber Alles, Dictatorship comes to America. Then come talk to me and get more information and tell me that the North wasnt as evil as the South, its bullshit. History is written by the victors. If UK won the American Revolution, youd probably be a Loyalist bastard.
Bigmoonproductions 1 year ago
@Bigmoonproductions
Lincoln Uber Alles chronicles Lincoln's increase of presidential powers, which by the way dropped to pre-war levels after his assassination, and never increased again until Teddy Roosevelt. In many ways, it is contradicted totally by the history which it pretends to explain. I don't see how any intelligent historian would call the book truthful, especially given that its author is not even mentioned in historical analysis circles.
Informer3X 1 year ago
@aranelinya same is happening to you with outer world. Open your eyes.. its propaganda.. for your opinions to always be in their own filthy favour for their lame xcuzes of doing shit .
Rafay1Chauhan 1 year ago
could some body tell me the meaning of taxation without representation?? plz.
Rafay1Chauhan 1 year ago
From the comments I have read you Americans never seas to amaze me.
dave19941000 1 year ago
It ain't over till we say it's over!
Secession now, Freedom forever!
CelticSouthland 1 year ago
@CelticSouthland spirits are hight.. keep them hight.. world is waiting to witness flag of C.S.A earning its freedom for good. Love to see that flag waving
Rafay1Chauhan 1 year ago
@Bigmoonproductions awsome! im going to have to remember that so i can shut a yankee up.
flyingweasal007 1 year ago
@Bigmoonproductions THough I like the South, I have to say I don't think that is true. The CSA had at least 200,000 free blacks.
devenci 1 year ago
i love this video!!! it is makeing a point i have tried makeing for years!!!
flyingweasal007 1 year ago
what is the song called?
Dantex626 1 year ago
should have shot all the rebel, white trash, racist scum.
Slavery was just a noble cause to start a "second american revolution".
mmmm66 1 year ago
It is "kingdom", you uneducated hilljack.
The War of Southern Treason was about slavery.
You Southern banjos fought a war to preserve slavery and preserve white supremacy.
The only bad thing about the Civil War is that we let any of you live on to continue making up this nonsense.
ElTejon47901 2 years ago
No it wasn't.... it was about control. Slavery could have been handeled differently by buying all the slaves... a suggestion made years before the war. Blacks and indians fought on and on behalf of both sides. Relatives against relatives... it was a sad and needless loss of life. Slavery was on the way of going out because it was cheaper to hire people to work in factories and not take care of them.
faanunu 2 years ago
The war was not about slavery is was about to much control from the federal government and the south had had enough besides the confederate constitution outlawed the slave trade so slavery was going out eventually the north just handled the wrong way and it caused the southern economy to crumble and hurt the U.S. after the war
robinhood2642 2 years ago
@ElTejon47901 You've been reading too many Northern history books. Remember that history is written by the victor, no matter how unjust their cause is. If the war was over slavery, why did 96% of the Confederate Army not own slaves? Including Lee, Longstreet, or Jackson? Yet Sherman and Grant both did? Why were there Northern slave states? Why did the Confederate Constitution outlaw importing more slaves? Why did entire black regiments fight for the Confederacy?
tpajason 2 years ago
@tpajason
Lee didn't own slaves at first, but was given control of 70 of them through a writ in George Washington Curtis's will...and though Curtis died believing that Lee would free them, he didn't. "Stonewall" Jackson owned six slaves, though history records him as being humane towards them. Longstreet has no record of owning slaves, though I would have expected you to hate him, as he was what you call a "scalawag". Grant owned one slave in his entire life, and Sherman owned none.
Informer3X 1 year ago
@Informer3X Most of the founding fathers owned slaves including our frist presisdent.
And people who say that slave owners just beat their slaves for no reason I have a question: Would you go and buy an expensive car then just hit it with a brick or something for no reason?
EnderGhost119 1 year ago
@EnderGhost119
Yes, they all did. But history records all of them has having had the intent of freeing their slaves upon death or whenever they "were not needed" anymore. Most of the Founding Fathers, especially Jefferson, were in great debt when the Revolutionary War ended. They saw slaves on their plantation as one of the few ways out.
Now then, the car analogy doesn't really work at all. If you hit a car, it doesn't learn fear and then heal itself, does it?
Informer3X 1 year ago
@Informer3X With the car amalogy you missed my point completely!
If you buy an expensive car and then beat it that would be a waste of money.
Slaves would make your money so why would you beat them for no reason?
You would want to keep them on your good side... yeah whats the point of talking to you liberals...
EnderGhost119 1 year ago
@EnderGhost119
No, I got your point. But you forget that people (oh, wait, I forgot you Tea-Party happy conservatives don't think of non-WASPS as humans) remember fear, and also heal from wounds. Slaves, after all, weren't exactly willing to help gun-brandishing, tea-drinking white folk with menial and cradle-to-grave labor. Just in case you forgot that it wasn't a volunteer thing.
But no one said that there was no reason for beating. There were plenty of "good" reasons, right?
Informer3X 1 year ago
@Informer3X You still missed my point...
Ok so you buy a car so you can get to and from work ok?
You wouldn't go "I hate how you painted blue!" and then throw a brick at it over and over.
If it say refuses to work then you might hit it like a donky or something.
and the "cradle-to-grave" thing, slaves had weekends off and could buy their freedom so they wouldn't have to wait for their owner to die.
(and for the record there were more union slaves then Confederacy slaves.)
EnderGhost119 1 year ago
@EnderGhost119
Your car analogy is made of fail. You still don't get that humans' wounds heal over time. But I prove myself again: you don't think of blacks as human, do you? Just a white man's tool, right?
Now, the great thing about American slavery was that it passed on from generation to generation. It's an ingenious device by the South's plantation owners to ensure a constant population of slaves.
Now then, when the Civil War rolled around, slaves could not buy their freedom anymore.
Informer3X 1 year ago
@EnderGhost119
In addition, there were far more slaves in the South. Take a look at the 1860 census numbers. But then again, Tea-Party conservatives sympathetic to the CSA and slavery don't believe in facts. And no, slaves did not have weekends off. Maybe 1/100 slaveowners allowed their slaves "weekends off", but almost always it was only Sunday, if only because of fear of God. Absolutely sickening that you defend the institution of slavery.
Informer3X 1 year ago
@ElTejon47901
you ignorant uneducated moron.....read the true writings of Lincoln, he was a true racist...he drummed up support to preserve his own agenda any way he could, he didn't give two shits about slaves and most of the people of the south were NOT slave owners, a very few of the wealthy did own them.
Tir1962 1 year ago
@Tir1962 Lincoln never touched on the topic of free slaves until the North was about to get invaded and needed a reason to keep the war going.
devenci 1 year ago
@Tir1962 -Neo-Confederates are the morons, you shoeless booger-eating, sister-fucking hilljack.
Slavery was the cornerstone of the Confederacy just as Alexander Stephens said. Not that you sister-fuckers can read, but the Confederate Constitution, the Confederate leaders, the petitions of sucession, antebellum politics, all show that the South fought for slavery and white supremacy.
“I am not ashamed of having fought on the side of slavery " John S. Mosby.
ElTejon47901 8 months ago
dave777blaster yez thats was allso a part od the revolution , and taxation without rep..was also a part of it.. and its gonna be time for another sooner ;)
Dantex626 2 years ago
There were a plethora of factors involved. We had to leave the rest of the states had totally different wants, needs and desires. We were losing all of our federal representation. The north and west were filling up with Yankees.
Luigi84289 2 years ago
The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions that I wish it to be always kept alive.
Thomas Jefferson (1743 - 1826)
boondocksaint1968 2 years ago 4
i wish it could have happened during his lifetime seeing him out there on the battlefield leading his states troops would have been something to see.
Luigi84289 2 years ago
The will of the people is the only legitimate foundation of any government, and to protect its free expression should be our first object.
Thomas Jefferson (1743 - 1826)
boondocksaint1968 2 years ago
The main reason for leaving England was religious percecution,not taxation without representation.
dave777blaster 2 years ago
Whats the Big fear Hi from India . My biggest fear being cheated time after time so called Great Betrayal
chetansingh2006 2 years ago
That was one reason some New Englanders came over.
Luigi84289 2 years ago
Most of the blacks who supported the Union were forced. They were treated less than dirt. Even Hollywood movies show this.
Luigi84289 2 years ago
Let us not also forget the white slaves who made up close to 50% of slaves during those times. And let us also not forget that there were many FREE black men who owned slaves... black and white. It is true history. Although it is not "politically correct" to teach these facts in schools anymore
FREETHINK23 2 years ago
Anthony Johnson a black man was the first person to own slaves for their entire lives in the seventeen 30's.
Luigi84289 2 years ago
whoops meant 1630's.
Luigi84289 2 years ago
so its soon time for another one if it get worse
Dantex626 2 years ago
It is time to partition the States, let the socialists have their Union of Socialists States.
Let us have our Constitutional Republic.
brainerdrebel 2 years ago 3
Yes it is time for us to let New England have it's country and build our own once again.
Luigi84289 2 years ago
Blacks had been slaves under the starts and stripes for far longer than they had been under the stars and bars too. Interesting point to keep in mind for when some wise ass pops off claiming that the South was/is racist or something
PaulUmbarger 2 years ago 6
PaulUmbarger, also remember that there were no slaveships flying the Stars and Bars. They flew the Stars and Stripes. Also keep in mind the Confederate Constitution outlawed the importation of more slaves. The South was well aware that the institution would die out on its own. We fought for what was right - not slavery, but the right of self governance.
tpajason 2 years ago 2
Very true! It's also pretty important to note that it would have died out even sooner had it not been for the Cotton Gin which made cotton king. Of course, there are a lot of folks that will say the South was evil no matter how wrong you prove them to be. It's just "PC" to be anti-South right now. In another 50 years, it'll swing the other way I'm sure. Maybe sooner if we're lucky.
PaulUmbarger 2 years ago 2
New England Slave Ships brought all of the slaves here under those horrible inhumane conditions. No southern state ever sent out a slave ship. That was strictly a new england business.
Luigi84289 2 years ago
SECESSION!
Is the right thing to do! LET d.c. ROT!
SIC SEMPER TYRANNIS!
DEO VINDICE!
rebelstang 2 years ago 4
This is a good video but it was "kinGdom" not "kindom." Also, it wasn't over a hundred years after the Revolution that the Civil War started. The Revolution was from 1774 to 1783; the Civil War began in 1861.
Clevinger67 2 years ago
You've got a good eye, and a quick thinking mind. Your correct there's a typo in "kingdom", and the war was actually less then 100 years after. I posted the mistakes you found in the video description.
Thanks
HeritageNotHateProd 2 years ago
You're welcome. I really enjoy your videos!
Clevinger67 2 years ago
errr spelled, not spared. Sorry. Kinda late.
tpajason 2 years ago
Luigi84289, That is why they must be taught the truth and to stand up for the south and what it stood for, Especially at school.
jwall1231324 2 years ago 2
Nightshift10000, We can all tell that you have been "educated" and that's why you are mislead, you need to learn the truth and really be educated. Schools do not teach the truth, as confederate general Patric Cleburn said (Surrender means that the history of this heroic struggle will be written by the enemy, that our youths will be taught by northern school teachers; Learn from northern school books, Their version of the war.)
jwall1231324 2 years ago
The Confederate States of America actualy had far more reason to seced from the Union than the Colonist did to rebell against the British. In fact the Boston Tea Party was thrown over only a 10% tax on English Tea while the Southern States were taxed in a range of 20 -47% on all cotton that was being exported from the region durring the time of the civil war under the Morrill Tarriff. This is not the most popular fact in the eyes of the govenment but it is the truth.
RockenWesley 2 years ago 4
Video pulls on the heartstrings everytime. Washington interposed over lee is just fucking brilliant.
Luigi84289 2 years ago
really great awe inspiring vid. Just goes to show how flawed our school system is in this country. People don't even think secession is legal.
Luigi84289 3 years ago 2
And for a "college graduate", your horrid grammar and spelling is really annoying me. Where did you go? Devry? ITT Tech? Jesus.
tpajason 3 years ago 2
shakespeare wasnt a very good speller .his grammer mmmm.,but shakpeare message was and is clear.notice hardly any one ever points out that playrights spelling is not noticed.
stealthgerm 2 years ago
stealthgerm,
I think it's not that he was a bad speller. I think it's more to the tune that in those days, not much consideration was paid to how the word was spared as much as to how it sounded.
tpajason 2 years ago
"All of History is Bunk" Henry Ford
The confederate States stood for the Constitution
which clearly stated the US Union was of individual
totally self governed States.
Both sides of the Civil war were funded by English and Canadian concerns.
The Civil war was instigated by British Canadian Abolitionist forces under John Brown.
dave777blaster 3 years ago 4
This is how history should be written. Write the history books with the title of the "civil war" being the Second War for independence and people would see the war for what it really was.
pepsi458 3 years ago 3
if we could ever shrink the fed down to it's proper size this would be possible. With the fed controlling the schools right now they pretty much get to dictate what our children or taught or we face the consequences of paying even more taxes to homeschool them.
Luigi84289 2 years ago
The problem is that they don't teach us anything they tell us bull like "oh the csa wasn't a "real" nation because it wasn't recognized by the US" so? England didn't automatically recognize the US. A nation doesn't depend on other nations consent it just is. It's the will of the people. Schools don't teach us anything, we just learn bits and pieces not anything close to the truth, like Lincolnbroke an armistice which actually instigated the war or where ft sumpter is. (most americans don't know)
Luigi84289 2 years ago
Luigi84289, you are right government schools control your conditioning. Subjects are abbreviated in public schools. Keep researching for the truth about all subjects, not just history. The War for Southern Independence was fought over the Constitution, particularly the tenth amendment.
"We won the War but lost the Republic." A. Lincoln
"If I thought this war was over slavery, I would turn in my sword and go over to the other side." US Grant
brainerdrebel 2 years ago
completely agree.
Luigi84289 2 years ago
I'm currently making a new video on Lincoln to show just how much we aren't told. It's astounding.
Luigi84289 2 years ago
Keep Your Powder Dry! Just In Case!
GOD BLESS, ALL TRUE PATRIOTS!
GOD BLESS, DIXIE!
May She Rise Up! Out of The Ashes!
American Revalutions 1776/1861/200?
Praise The LORD
and Pass The Ammunition!
Dio Vindice!
rebelstang 3 years ago 2
'The taxation without representation argument is a lie the colonies were offered it and they rejected it."
centurey8901 3 years ago
Had Southerners actually thought the matter through, they would have followed the advice of Confederate General James Longstreet, which was:
"Free the slaves,..THEN leave the Union"
That would have likely succeeded,...
SierraWolf 3 years ago 2
Okay, a couple of things. First, correct the typo in your opening slide {put the G in Kingdom}.Next, the War of 1776 started out as a protest and became a war after British troops tried to enforce martial law. Succession wasn't first choice. When the war became too expensive and unpopular, Britain let you go. You were only a colony, not a full part of the Empire. The South is a fully represented part of the US that spat the dummy when it couldn't get it's own way and was brought to heel.
Gothicwanderer 3 years ago
American Revolutions!
1776/1861/200?
GOD BLESS, ALL TRUE PATRIOTS!
Let The Resistance, Begin!
rebelstang 3 years ago 2
where has the great debater gone? you don't wanny talk about screwin pigs or anything...you arrogant northern piece of sh4t. You blue state trash has ruined your part of the county with you social programs and forced diversity and you're dragging the rest of Western Civilisation down with you. $uck you and $uck Lincoln.
mountainclimber78 3 years ago
Cmon man...its that law that says a president can raise an army and send it into American States to wage a brutal war, wrecking the economy, pliging, murdering...supressing a people after they Democratically voted in a way contrary to his whims...I'm sure it's somewhere in the Constitution...maybe a Supreme Court ruling...oh yeah, its not there or Lincoln wouldn't have issued a warrant for the arrest of the Chief Justice for disagreeing with him.
mountainclimber78 3 years ago
you're not gonna findit in that New York, New York published text book you dug out from under you bed dipshit...c'mon, it should be easy to find...
mountainclimber78 3 years ago
bring it...show me the law cock sucker
mountainclimber78 3 years ago
It was never the South's intention to control the rest of the continent. That's bullshit and I challange you to show me quote, anything that proves it...dumbass. You still haven't showed me the law that allows the union to be preserved by force...im waiting. The 10th Amendment allows the States to withdraw powers given to the Federal govt. The Revolution and the Dec. of Independence is our moral precedent. Show me the law!
mountainclimber78 3 years ago
The second that the People of South Carolina withdrew their consent from the US govt. and placed it in their own, Fort Sumter as well as the troops in it were on forien soil without cause. The Confederate govt. offered to reimburse the Federal govt. but Lincoln refused. As far as our 'march toward Washington, I assume you mean after we whipped your asses at Manassas? Lincoln had already invaded us dipshit. Lincoln already started the war, we were fighting to win.
mountainclimber78 3 years ago
Military conquest can never be the final say in a constitutional matter. Tell me, word for word, qoute it from the Constitution if you have to: what right did the Union have to preserve itself through force of arms when it could not do so democratically? We Voted to seperate. So tell me, I wanna see this legal right...I'm waiting genius
mountainclimber78 3 years ago
There's the difference dummy, Jefferson Davis, the only American president at the time who actually had a formal education, led a nation fighting for its DEFENSE. We didn't invade you...every norther soldier who died in the South deserved it. You can never legally or constitutionally justify the invasion of the South. Davis waged war on other Americans because they were down here. Understand the difference moron?
mountainclimber78 3 years ago
Yes and the First American President to enactivly wag war on other Americans, suspend the law of the land for his own benefit, imprisoned tens of thousands of northerners, invaded a soveriegn nation without causing400,000 Americans to die in the process. No we're all American's you dipshit your guy was the bigoted motherfucker that insisted on seperation.
Nightshift10000 3 years ago
They invaded you? So, the Southern units that tried to starve out and then fired on the soldiers at Fort Sumpter {who were there before the South Succeeded} while negotiations for the possible repatriation of the soldier was still going on were, what? The justification for the invasion was to secure Federal Property {or did that just automatically become yours?} and enforce the law. Or should the rights of the loyalists {there were plenty} have been left in the tender care of the confederacy?
Gothicwanderer 3 years ago
The 'justification' for the invasion was not to secure Federal property. I could send a fourth grader into a library and in about ten minutes he could tell me Lincoln's motive, which was to "suppress the rebellion", in his own words. And no we didn't think it was automatically ours. Before the first shot was fired, delegations offered to pay the US govt full value, not just for Sumter, but for every existing Federal installation in the Southern States.
mountainclimber78 3 years ago
By ratio and percentage of referendum votes, there were more loyalists that oppossed the secession from Great Britain than those that oppossed the secession from the Union...so don't pull that dead argument out of you ass. Once Lincoln refused to remove what became foriegn troops, he committed an act of war...giving anyone the right to blow them out of the fort. It's called Transfer of Soveriegnty.
mountainclimber78 3 years ago
The ELECTED Legislature of South Carolina voted unanimously 169-0...169-0 to withdraw form the Federal Compact. This is what is called Constitutional Republican government...It's what the Declaration of Independance is based on and its justified by the great thinkers on Liberty from Jefferson to Adams, to Locke, to Mill, to Cicero... You cannot ever justify Lincoln's war.
mountainclimber78 3 years ago
Why do you think Jefferson Davis was never given a trial. If Lincoln and his henchman were so right you think they wouldn't be able to wait to put the Confederate leaders on trial and hang them. They knew that no crime had been committed and that no objective jury from Maine to California would convict. Please, read a few books before embarassing yourself. And by the way, you spelled secession wrong, you ignorant dumbass. Here you are ranting against something you can't even spell.
mountainclimber78 3 years ago
Federal Soldiers didn't enter Fort Sumter until 6 days after South Carolina seceded. They also spiked cannons in another South Carolina fort before the entered Fort Sumter. What were they trying to say by that???
HeritageNotHateProd 3 years ago
Everything Mountaincliber78 is correct, if anyone broke from the constitution it was Lincoln. Instead of allowing the south to succeed which was their constitutional right as states, Lincoln is doing what every president since has done exert federal power over the states power. He did many unconstitutional acts, Started a war without approval of congress, blocked southern ports, suspended habeus corpus, arresting citizens without warrants, censoring telegraphs, seizing prive property, like guns.
AmericanPoliceState 3 years ago
What's so funny about you're flawed ranting is that the South had legal precedent. The process in which the Souther States withdrew from the Union and formed a confederacy was identical to the process used by the Colonials. There is literally no difference, except for the fact that we literlly had no right to withdraw from the British Empire, while we had legal right in the form of presedence and the 10th Amendment to pull out of union with you simpletons. It's amazing how you ignore this!
mountainclimber78 3 years ago
Yes the South did and The Union had the right to Fight and regain it and the Union fought to regain the South and won, your side lost tough shit, you lost stop trolling about it.
Nightshift10000 3 years ago
I'm not talkin about one of those online colleges. I'll agree, Lincoln should not have been shot after the war was over, but the man who did it, really was a coward. He should have shot Lincoln ealier on, when it might have done some good. Lincoln had it coming...no other president in history ever waged war on other Americans, suspended the law of the land, imprisoned tens of thousands of [northern] dissenters, invaded a soveriegn nation without cause, not caused 400,000 Americans to die.
mountainclimber78 3 years ago
The Man that shot Lincoln was a coward just like all the other confederate shit heads. Lincoln was the Greastest President this Nation has ever known. No other president in history ever waged war on other Americans? Your leaving out jefferson davis the biggest imbred piss pot of them all.
Nightshift10000 3 years ago
Oh yeah My College wasn't online, I was a lagitamit College. I'm not saying which one of course. No need to have your entire imbred posse come up here.
Nightshift10000 3 years ago
Go look up the Hartford Convention you dumbshit and you'll see where we got our inspiration from. I don't think we have any swamps around here, but I don't there's been a study done about the swamp:education ratio. I'll look into it. You can only assume that Lincoln's war saved you all problems later on, you have no refenrence to tell, stupid. So how far did you get in highschool??
mountainclimber78 3 years ago
Sorry but from what I'm hearing your the dumbshit here. It's funny you want facts from Me but I don't see any from you, but that's what I expected your a fucking hypocrite. And you can only assume that a so called independence south or Confederated America would be better than the one We have now, so stop wasting My time with rhetoric, and Like I said I Graduated College. How far did you get in preschool?
Nightshift10000 3 years ago
Nightshift10000, get a history book and not something the liberal education system is teaching you. The South had the legal right to succeed if under the 10th Amendment, they did so. Ever since the Clinton administration, more states have started declaring sovereignty under the 10th Amendment. Another revolution is coming. The South was right. Because that war wasn't won, another one will have to be fought to preserve the Bill of Rights from the FED.
tpajason 3 years ago 5
Yep sadly this an inevitable eventuality. Unless the fed actually listens to the states demands. What will eventually happen if it doesn't is 1 of 2 possibilites if enough states secede this time to check and mate them. (I'm betting they will with all the crazyness obama is planning) 1 smaller nations are formed with similar versions of the US constitution while 1 still remains the well known US with the traditional constitution. In this case the CSA could possibly
Luigi84289 2 years ago
be reformed. 2 the states unanimously agree to rebuild the fed and possibly propose new amendments to prevent what Lincoln started from ever happening again. Even well educated northern politicians back up that lincoln for what ever good he may have "possibly" done is responsible for the fed being the way it is. I say the formation of smaller nations is the best option to prevent this situation from ever happening again because it promotes an extra check of
Luigi84289 2 years ago
sorts because if one nation tries to overexert their constitutional powers and become another empire the others can rise up and stop it.
Luigi84289 2 years ago
What the south feared came to pass, the feds are just another nobility, dictating what "priviledges" we have. We are all 14th amendment slaves.
Luigi84289 2 years ago
Besides We never knew anyway your side being the imbred cowards they were assassinated Lincoln and showed to all people in this country how spineless you confederates were, but those days are over now.
Nightshift10000 3 years ago
Come on give me some solid facts here and stop talking about juggling dicks and screwing pigs. I don't care about your 'diverse' hobbies, I want a real argument from you supported by historical fact...come on thirdshift, go find that old middle school text book you've been referencing you uneducated, bigoted, piece of sh4t. I know you got your GED, but your still stupid. Who else would use 'HAHAHA' in a sentence?
mountainclimber78 3 years ago
There your hobbies (obviously) I'm just stating the obviously like your lies and misinformation about events that you cannot change. God third shift what the fuck do that mean. Ah and the imbred bigoted aryan neo-nazi accusses Me of racism HAHAHA I love it. I Graduated College a year ago un like you who was kicked out of preschool for being a moron, look shut up, stop being such a fag and get educated on the facts, it's not that hard.
Nightshift10000 3 years ago
You're probably just mad because Southerner contributed more to Colonial America than did the clodhopper lumberjacks and Puritan freaks that were your ancestors. Your mad because George Washington was a Southerner(yeah he owned slaves, who cares) Your mad because we can claim Patrick Henry, Thomas Jefferson, and Francis Marion. The South built this counry, you all just ruined it.
mountainclimber78 3 years ago
Actually I'm irritated by this rather idiotic display of personal loathing about events that can not be changed and about ignorance that can not be persuaded. The North Built this Country, It was Northern States that started and maintained the Revolution, I'm surprised at your ignorance yet again, and after that most of the development was done in the North. Sorry oh imbred piece of shit but the North built this nation and all your kind did was bitch and moan like whores.
Nightshift10000 3 years ago
There in lies the issue...you only have an elementary understanding of what you're talking about. You don't know anything about history...I've studied it longer that you've worked third shift making rubber dog sh$t. You an typical ignorant northerner who has no real signifigant history so you attack ours, becasue we were the only one with the balls to stand up to the Federal govenrment, like our ancestors had done to King George. You live in a socialist industrial shit hole that has no values
mountainclimber78 3 years ago
And you live in an inbred swamp of ignorance and shortsightedness called the south. You are of course a stupid fucking southern piece of imbred shit that has studied nothing. I have actually done My homework and all I have found on this subject is that the North winning saved this Country a lot of fucked up shit later on. Those were our ancestors that stood up to King George. Of course your ancestors rising up for anarchy had nothing to do with our Rising for Freedom.
Nightshift10000 3 years ago
Back to the Jew issue. Jews have flourished the most in American History, in the Confederacy. They gained top positions in the Southern govt. The US govt. still hasn't mathced this...looks like northers are mor like nazis. You know its always been the last minute defense of someone who has no idea what he's talking about, to always compare his enemies to the nazies, hoping to win an argument through slam tactics rather than reason...like u thirdshift, all you have yet to make a real point.
mountainclimber78 3 years ago
Yes Being hanged by the KKK is really florishing when they were marching right beside Us in the Union Army as Volinteers and not shields like African-Americans. And Yes it always has been the last minute defense of someone who has no idea what he's talking about, to always compare his enemies to the nazies, but when that acusation is true then the spectrum changes. I have made several real points. Your Libratraian movement was an anarchistic nightmare that would consume all that We love.
Nightshift10000 3 years ago
A Federal officer watching Confederate troops pass through Frederick, Maryland noted that at least a quarter of the armed troops were black...entire Southern units spoke only French, we had thousands of Jews in the ranks, Easterh Europeans, even a small number of Asians...The Southern army, unlike you learned in your highschool history class was 'diverse'. Some of our finest generals were immigrants, and more that a few were grads of Harvard and Yale.
mountainclimber78 3 years ago
Yes using the African-American's as human shields, African-Americans that were enlisted by their masters to fight in their stead. Speaks volumes to the bravery of the white imbreds of the confederacy, HAHAHA that's funny, the Union Army was the diverse Army any one with at least an elementary School Education knows that.
Nightshift10000 3 years ago
Look I have no time for your imbred stupidity and ignorance of history. I know this the North won the Civil War for the better so stop trolling about it and get a life (That doesn't involve screwing pigs).
Nightshift10000 3 years ago
There was More than One difference between the American Revolution and the Civil War. American Revolution - Freedom from tyranny, Independence To Be Our Own Nation.
Civil War (South)- Whiny Ignorance, complaining about taxes, slavery, anarchy and just plain bigotry
American Revolution - Independence and Liberty
Civil War - Anarchy (Leading To Tyranny) and Hate
Bravo southerners BRA-VO.
Nightshift10000 3 years ago
Can u give a reasonable explanation as to just how the Confederate govt. was an insturment of anarchy...without using "dickjuggler"..lol, that must be something guys do up in that socialist hell hole you call home...lol
mountainclimber78 3 years ago
No that's something those trailer trash whores do in your neck of the woods. The reason the confederacy wanted anarchy is because besides it's whining about taxes it wanted a 99% reduction in Government which is also known as anarchy, oh and by the way the U.S. Government controls affairs down in the South to (but I gues your to stupid to know that or to arrogent) so what ever happens here happens there and I don't see any socialism here so.
Nightshift10000 3 years ago
Southerners were primarily British, Scots_Irish in their ancestry...whereas more than a few Union generals spoke German. Since your so anal about Germans, dumbass, lets do some comparisons. I'll state an historical fact and then I'll put the nations to which it applies...follow me so far you enlightened northerer? US for your beloved Union, CS for my country, and G for Germany. O.k. here we go dummy...
2.
mountainclimber78 3 years ago
Yeah ok I'm sorry but your disecting backgrounds and I'm pointing out Ideological similarities. Germany under the nazi ragime believed in Jew Hatred and subjegation, much like the south. The North Believed that all Men were created Equal and that This Country should not be divided up, sorry pal but the Union is coming up kind of clean here.
Nightshift10000 3 years ago
1. Nations who's third most powerful member of govt., the Sec. of State, was Jewish: CS, Judah P. Benjamin
2. Nations that invaded their neighboring states and waged war against civilians: G, 1939-1945, US, 1861-1877
3. Nations which used concentration camps: G, 1934-1945, US, 1941-1945
4. Nations whose leaders suspended the law: G, 1934-1945, US: 1861-debatable. Lincoln said bye-bye to the writ of habeas corpus
mountainclimber78 3 years ago
Funny but dumb. You have no proof of an concentration camps, yes there were detention facilities but the south had those too.
Nations that invaded their neighboring states and waged war against civilians - The South or are you forgetting Fort Sumpter. Jefferson Davis being the hate monger that he was broke plenty of laws in his time as president of the confederacy and senate, oh and by the way his cabinet was an oligarchy by the way so what do you have to say to that?
Nightshift10000 3 years ago
Look are you done being a gray coated idiot, because 140 years ago My ancestors sent your ancestors running, pissing their pants to their mommies when We won the War. The Confederates were a bunch of imbred piss pots that couldn't fight worth a damn and nothing like Our Colonial Ancestors at least our Colonial Ancestors had honor and dignity. Huh it's funny if you wereold enough to have lived in those time and you looked out over the Armies, the south was all white and North was diverse.
Nightshift10000 3 years ago
I hope you do work nightshift somewhere, because you're too ignorant to do anything important for a living.
mountainclimber78 3 years ago
then I guess that God and the devil don't have anything for you because I'f I'm too ignorant to do anything important for a living then life and death have no place for someone as ignorant as you.
Nightshift10000 3 years ago
huh?? What are u smokin?
mountainclimber78 3 years ago
You know I would ask you the same thing but I'm afraid you'd tell me.
Nightshift10000 3 years ago
Did you ever learn to research anything, or do you just prefer to talk out of your a%%? You wanna see a concrete Confederate army?? Try invading the Swiss Confederacy...yes it is a Confederacy, maybe you'll want to sue them for offending you with their form of government. That little confederacy can field a highly trained army of half a million volunteers within a 24 hour period. You ignorant moron.
mountainclimber78 3 years ago
I know that you never learned to research anything, that's obvious. HAHAHAHA the swiss those losers that surrendered to hitler before the invasion of nazi forces oh dear I don't know wether to laugh at you or cry for you. Do a little research of your own you ignorant moron, they would probably surrender to Me like they surrendered to hitler, hell you would like the swiss you Jew hating, dick juggling thunder cunt. As for the swiss and the southern army fuck um, the worst armies on Earth.
Nightshift10000 3 years ago
Again thank's for proving My point that A Confederated America would have surrendered to the German Empire And/Or The nazi's with the swiss army example, now go take your pills to combat the stupidity.
Nightshift10000 3 years ago
Since you are playing hindsight connect the dots with history, consider this thirdshift, if we had one our independence and there were two seperate nations, you northerners, predominately Germanic and Eastern European in ancestry...at worst would have allied with Germany in WW1. At best you all would have remained neutral. Either way, dumbass, Germany would have one WW1...see where I'm going. .
mountainclimber78 3 years ago
Without the humiliation inflicted on post-war Germany that France and Great Britian poured onto the Germans, Hitler wouldn't have had a snowball's chance in hell of coming to power. Ergo, no WW2.
mountainclimber78 3 years ago
GOD are you really that dumb. If America hadn't beaten German the way it did under a united majority then the entire world would be German any way.
Nightshift10000 3 years ago
God your a bigger idiot than I thought. You southerners are related to Europeans as well (Maybe even more so). Look stop being a moron wake up and see the history, it was two Northern American Presidents that wanted Warfare with the Germans and nazi's. You southerners wanted to keep Blacks subjegated and Jews murdered, sorry but it sounds like you southerners if you'd won would have either surrendered to the German's like you precious Swiss boys or aligned with them yourself's.
Nightshift10000 3 years ago
oh but that's right the entire U.S. would have been the C.S. so yeah your right under the confederate tyranny the entire COuntry would have join the AXIS!
Nightshift10000 3 years ago
Oh yeah, about you're comment on how "confederacies can't form concrete armies"...are you kidding me? Do some research on the Army of Northern Virginia you dummy. It's cohesion and its victories won it a near mythical reputaion. Winston Churchill called it the "greatest army to every march the face of the earth". The Confederacy fielded three major field armies which year after year defeated and held at bay much larger and better supplied Federal armies.
mountainclimber78 3 years ago
Wow your dumber than I thought you were and that was pretty dumb. BRAVO. Hey idiot all that the south could form legally were militias, and I would like to see a crappy southern militia stand up to adolf hitlers hordes of Millions, Winston Churchill called it the "greatest army to every march the face of the earth and yet your side lost to Mine, I guess Winston Churchill had altzimers because you'd have to be an idiot to think that about the southern army. Your idiocy is making Me feel sad.
Nightshift10000 3 years ago
You really paid attention in those joke history classes in public school didn't you...lol.
mountainclimber78 3 years ago
I know that you did because your idiocy, lunacy, bigotry and ignorance is shining like a racist supernova.
Nightshift10000 3 years ago
What is this fascinatin you have with nazis? On behalf of the thousands of Southern men who gave their lives defeating the nazis, f%%% y%% you piece of ignorant Shi#. Southerners and nazis are polar opposites. We fought for independence and to be left alone. Nazis, much like northerners, wanted to control everyone and everything. In fact, American support for the nazias came from the north from the men like Joe Kennedy, JFK's father. Southerners hated nazis you dummy
mountainclimber78 3 years ago
America would have been broken, and unable to raise a large Army to stop the nazi's! MY GOD do I have to spell it out for you or are you just that stupid and naive. We Northerners knew that We had to stay united as a nation, We unlike you ignorant southerners knew that there were horrible dangers and even as it is written in the Bible a House divided will never stand. It doesn't matter how much you southerners hate nazis although I doubt that given slavery thriving in the south. They'd have won.
Nightshift10000 3 years ago
And if anyone believes that slavery could have lasted more that thirty years after it came to an end, Southern victory, or not, then like you, he would be an idiot. Economics would have killed it.
mountainclimber78 3 years ago
Actually anyone with a rudementry knowledge of economics would know because of our economy slavery would have thrived, that's why the American and japanese Science devisions are throwing millions if not billions into the expansion of robotics and android technology, if the south hadn't lost and the entire U.S. become confederate then slavery would still be alive and strong in America, oh wait that's if the nazi's or imperial Germans hadn't conquered our broken nation first, get a life you idiot.
Nightshift10000 3 years ago
nightshift...you're an idiot, but you have a knack for pulling some wierd ideas out of your a%%. It's absurd to believe that the South wanted to take over the rest of America. They were fighting to be independent of the rest of America, at least the northeastern part.
mountainclimber78 3 years ago
and where do your idea's come from, I shutter to think. by the way your racist confederate bullshit must sound like music to you when it sounds like, Well just that bullshit to the rest of us that actually have an IQ going above one digit. The south wanted the entiratty of America as a confederacy and it became more evident as the war drug on and on, that's why they were marching to Washington you idiot to take the Country in the name of the confederacy, glad to hear you want to speak German.
Nightshift10000 3 years ago
Had the south succeeded in it's mission Americans would all be speaking German right about now and the majority of us would not exist, Either and German or nazi government would be ruling the Earth right about now and No One Would Have Freedom.
Nightshift10000 3 years ago
You're a TYPICAL BRAINWASHED IDIOT.
Lay off the government propoganda.
If the South had won it's War For Independence then the NORTH would most likely be speaking German. They're the centralized totalitarian anti-State's Rights government ones, not the South!
HeritageNotHateProd 3 years ago