What's the link between the question and the answer... ''we're only 200...millions people...'' ???
Christian history, rate of rape (thinking of muslim women raped are not recorded because they hide it)
Over 90% of terrorist attacks are made by muslims even according to muslim leaders... it's quite an exceptional rate for their ''sooo very few number''
Man why dont muslims check in their own history facts.
So laughable... police! police! they want an answer and I dont want to give it... PITY !
. they didn't even expand on mohammads pedophile marriage question.. yusuf estes is a traitor scum mullah ..islam made him ugly and hateful on the inside.. we are all infidels to them.. next time you see them ask them about the penalty in islam for apostates like me
I'm a Conservative and a Fundamental Baptist; I have NOTHING in common with these Muslims and am not here to defend Islam, in fact you picked very good questions. However, shame on you for your disrespectful attitude. Shame on you for your self indulgent arrogance as you insisted on having YOUR questions answered first and then selfishly trying to hijack their quorum. Obviously you were trying to score footage and not convince anyone intellectually or morally.
Islam is the enemy. War has been declared, we now are in battle against Islamic domination of the world. Our weapon against this enemy is the Gospel of Jesus Christ. The Truth will prevail. The enemy will be defeated, they will reap what they sow. Jesus Christ will not be defeated, he will destroy his enemies with the sword of his mouth. Jesus Christ is Lord!
Actually, the term " infidel " applies to muslims, - since it is a Christian term used to describe people who deviate from Christianity, (the right path),
Therefore, every true muslim is an infidel...
ps. it is pointless debating with muslims, - they spend their lives memorizing lies & deception to defend islam.
You see, islam cannot stand up to scrutiny, - or indeed, the truth, because it is deeply flawed, & propped up with lies.
That is another form of taqiyya.....always shift the blame to christians/jews and start criticizing them instead of answering the questions about themselves. They always try to bring up events of Christians/Jews instead of accepting blame.
This is how you deal with these deceptive double talking bearded ragheads! they cannot stand scrutiny because their whole belief system is flawed, in the old & new testament God forbids us to lie,its considered a sin, in "islam" ,"allah" alows it, as long as it advances their cause..what kind of crazy religion is this? we definetely cannot be worshipping the same God!.its also ok in islam to be a pedophile, beat your wife,have honor killings, cut off little girls clitoris, but they're peaceful?!
Jesus is the way. . .All muslim must scrutinize their Qur' an before believing it. . .there's nothing holy about it. . .their prophet is a fake and wanted reasons or covers for his crimes. . . .he built a cult that many had fallen for it is basically a Selfish form of religion. . . why can't you muslims get it? . . .Your book is a copy and man made. . .it never did came for the word of God. . . Your scholars knows it.
3:35 My Mom taught me at 6 yrs old two wrongs don't make a right and not to make excuses and take responsibility. Tim McVey had nothing to w/ Christianity. The Crusades were in response to 460 yrs of islamic jihad & conquering the holy lands, killing Jewish & Christian leaders, destroying churches, looting, raping, murdering and forcing conversion on pilgrimage. Islam is a sick twisted cult that lives on ignorant, deception & fear by threat or acts of violence. I don't hate muslims just islam.
I am gonna be neutral here. The muslim hafiz (chaplain) aren't allowed to look at partially exposed ladies sitting in front of you LOL. and josephnadir why don't you pass out your pamphlets on your own time man, it is very rude to interrupt a forum session that you aren't moderating, staffing, or hosting. As of the rape statistics 10 years ago the hafiz (chaplain) did not have rape statistics from muslim countries because there aren't any! so there is absolutely no comparison!
to 403766 : well first of all Mr liar when your quoting something you should do it properly and in its context , not take just what you like.
and about Qur'an (4:24) look at it what it said : i've put the verse in my first answer.
So Mr liar where is the sex slave in the verse? the verse say to give them their dowries and to take the approval of their master and to marry them as it should.
in my next response i'll show your lies about the other verses, and how you put verses out of its context.
And whoso of you cannot afford to marry free believing women, let him MARRY what your right hands possess, namely your believing hand-maids. so MARRY them with the leave of their masters and give them their dowries, according to what is fair, they being chaste, NOT COMMITTING FORNICATION, NOR TAKING SECRET PARAMOURS. And if, after they are MARRIED, they are guilty of lewdness, they shall have half the punishment prescribe for free married women.
studied the qoran enough to see & know that its rooted in absolute evil, ir breeds the hypocracy we see in this video & around the world, it professes that murder & violence is ok & even good, its ok to beat the crap out of your wives when they need it! ! Its a book that is proves that there is no love in islamic religion.
Why don't you read it properly . Can't give you mind to read cos I used it as toilet paper.
Qur'an (4:24) and Qur'an (33:50) - A man is permitted to take women as sex slaves outside of marriage. Note that the verse distinguishes wives from captives "(those whom they right hand possesses)."
Qur'an (4:3) - "Marry women of your choice, Two or three or four"
There's a lot more than that but I would have to explain the meanings, shall i go oto what Mohammed has persoanlly said?
Good Video! Well done you for again confirming what squirming slimey bastards represent the face of Islam. We have Thousands of them in the UK who go unregulated and never work but drive around in Mercs and BMWs, cash from the 'community' supports them in their 'battle' against the kuffur where they preach obey only sharia and not the kaffur's laws. Lying for allah is as natural as breathing for the muzzies. Even simlple direct questions lead to evasive answers, this is mosque taught everywhere!
Sorry for such peoples like Arabs, Palestinians, Afghans, Turks etc but their national history is a farse. They don't want to leave islam because is part of their identity but the more they persist in this ridiculousity the worst they are.
Muslim-deception is a highly hones art form. See how they just slip out from under the question and then keep pumping their propaganda. Liars. Liars. Liars. Liars. Liars. Liars. There is no Islamic state?!?!?!?!?! LIARS LIARS LIARS LIARS LIARS LIARS LIARS LIARS LIARSLIARSLIARSLIARSLIARSLIARSLIARSLIARSLIARSLIARSLIARSLIARSLIARSLIARSLIARSLIARSLIARSLIARSLIARSLIARSLIARSLIARSLIARSLIARSLIARSLIARSLIARSLIARSLIARSLIARSLIARSLIARSLIARSLIARSLIARSLIARSLIARSLIARSLIARSLIARSLIARSLIARSLIARSLIARSLIARSLIARS
what a bunch of stooges, can't even answer the man's questions. either they're ignorant, or have terrorist sympathies. what a bunch of dummies. some dawa they give.
The Crusades R!!! being questioned. Everyone is deceived, the crusades happened because of the muslim armies coming closer to europe. Eventually they obstructed Christian pelgrims to travel to Israel. THATS WHY the crusades happened. NOT to conquer muslims, cause christians stopped as soon as Israel was free again.
As an ex Muslim, I will tell you and the poster of this video that you are entirely CORRECT and WISE to ask these questions. And you are correct to assume that this mulims on tape is practicing the highly hones art of Muslim-deception as exemplified by their prophet.
As an ex-Muslim, I ask you... no, I BEG you to watch 'islam, what the west needs to know"
"JosephNadir" is a hypocrite. He talks about "deception" while he cuts to images of Muslim women being hung or punished; so as to counter the points made by Yusuf Estes, yet the context of those images are never discussed. A photo of a woman being hanged proves oppression? How do you know why she was hung? You sir are the one practicing deception.
And by the way Mr. Questioner, do you know that the image you showed of the man holding up the stick against those veiled women was a part of the US-friendly Northern Alliance and not the Taliban? You should choose your photos wisely next time before you decieve others some more. And for the record, 9/11 was an inside job and yes the Iraq War was based on lies.
@josephnadir Ah, I get it now. You are a 9/11 "Truther".
giving someone a title does not in any way dispute their position ,were i to call someone an islamophobe ,that would not disputew the fact that islam is a false religion that has one goal ,world domination ,as was the intention of satan
,if i call someone a truther ,that does not dispute the huge amount of facts that 9-11 was an inside job
Really? a part of the Northern Alliance? But still muslim!!! do you get it? He shows how woman or people that think / live different are being punished, there is no freedom in islam only SUBMISSION. Islam means submission which means slavery, what God would want slaves? I can think of only one. Free your mind.
@ImyManz99 (laughs) I guess it doesn't matter the stoning, shooting, and hanging of women but look out for that stick! But in reality you do not really think you are making any sense do you?
@ImyManz99 That doesn't make them Americans. Friendly? That would be a hypocrisy if it were true. The bottom line is that you see your own kind of people killing. Joseph Nadir was right in what he did. He should be applauded and I sincerely hope he continues to do such good at exposing the reality behind the muslim deception. They do have a weakness. There are certain things they cannot say. They dance around them. They are security threats and must be removed.
Even if I were it does nothing to counter the fact that the presenters did not answer these questions:
* why are moderate Muslims not more successful at refuting Muslim terrorists on Islamic grounds?
*Why do Muslims revere Mohamed in light of his immoral acts described in the Koran and Hadiths, such as consummating his marriage with Aisha his 9 year old wife and ruling by the sword?
Allah Akbar. I recently converted to islam so I could marry one of my goats and beat my wife and children. I also did it so I could become a terrorist and riot in the streets. Good times. Allah is a Mzghabah.Kuss Ummak Bisinaan, Koss ommak ala air jamal mayyet. Add ma emmak neketo la bayyak men tizo, hebil fik men bayadto. Ikhlassy akhrasi ya sharmoot wa iftahy khashmik. binshamak is a Kekri Gahba.Allah Yela'an binshamak. Elhasi teezi Yahreq deenak. Bi kem el sharmoota di, binshamak?
This has gotten me to the point, where I don't want to hear a muslim speak, I don't want to see one, be near one...I have to turn off the television, radio and sound on youtube, so I don't have to hear their lies. If I see one, I walk far away from them.
So typical!! when the questions got too close for comfort the muslim got louder, as in talking over the top of questions and then bringing the meeting to an early close....calling the police was the icing on the cake!they act like they are already an Islamic state, oh , sorry , the end would have been different, they would have killed him for daring to question Quran
The quran is at a job interview. The boss asks, "Do you have references?" quran replies, "Torah and Bible, call them." So the boss calls Torah, and Torah replies, "I have never heard of him." Confused, the boss calls Bible and Bible says, "I know him; he is a liar and a thief and is actually from Satan, the devil, don't believe him." Pressed by the boss, quran defends "they are liars." And the boss reasons: "if they are liars, why do you use them for references unless you are insane?"
It's true all I've heard from moderate Muslims is "Christians and Muslims both have fanatics" ("they do it too"- except I don't see Christians cutting off women's clitorises)and when I got to know them well enough, they tried to tell me the terrorists have a point. Muslims prove their stereotypes all the time.
No one is fair. You guys talk about talibans! What about your president G W Bush? Didnt he kill innocent people in Afganistan and Iraq? Didnt america killed innocent people in Hiroshima/Nagasaki? You guys call Muhammad violent. Who started the Crusade? Muslims or Christians? Just because you are an American, doesn't mean that you have to be blind and think yourself superior over others. You guys should think. Peace be upon all, regardless of his religion.
America is a democracy. If it commits violent foolish acts it is subject to the vote of its citizens. America is not committed to making the same errors for the next two thousand years. Religions on the other hand are. What is written in holy books is with us. It is important to focus on the bigger picture without being drawn on emotional issues like temporal politics. In a few short years George Bush will be history but the Koran will be with us for good or evil.
That's exactly what I was trying to say. Just because one Christian guy (GW Bush) is bad, doesn't mean that all the Christians are bad guys. Same goes to Muslims also. Only a few of them are doing the terrorist acts. You should not blame the whole religion. But if you wanna call others evil, do know that you are evil, too. Dont think youself as saint. Peace be upon all.
With respect etorAli I think you make a valid point about the few crazy fools who do the insane acts. Like terrorists and the terrorist George Bush. What I have a problem with is superstition. You see anyone who believes something not based on fact or proof is deluded and possibly dangerous. When large groups accept a non existent god they become responsible for the harm done by the insane who do this non existent gods work.
O FOLLOWERS of earlier revelation! Why do you argue about Abraham, seeing that the Torah and the Gospel were not revealed till [long] after him? Will you not, then, use your reason?
AND THEY say, "Be Jews" - or, "Christians" - "and you shall be on the right path." Say: "Nay, but [ours is] the creed of Abraham, who turned away from all that is false, [110] and was not of those who ascribe divinity to aught beside God."
Say: "We believe in God, and in that which has been bestowed from on high upon us, and that which has been bestowed upon Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and ,their descendants, and that which has been vouchsafed to Moses and Jesus; and that which has been vouchsafed to all the [other] prophets by their Sustainer: we make no distinction between any of them. And it is unto Him that we surrender ourselves."
Say [to the Jews and the Christians]: "Do you argue with us about God? [113] But He is our Sustainer as well as your Sustainer - and unto us shall be accounted our deeds, and unto you, your deeds; and it- is unto Him alone that we devote ourselves.
Muslim doctrine teaches hate. Cutting of hands and feet. Marrying little girls who's bones are not even fully developed. How sick! Pedophiles is what they are. Aysha was 9 years old when Mohammed that sick pedophile had sex with her. The Koran is a book of death!
Jesus, who lived a life without sin, provides the exemplary model of conduct for Christians. Mohamed, a man who among other things according to Islamic documents (Sahih Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64) married a 6 year old girl and had sex with her when she was 9 years old and commanded the spread of Islam through the sword (Qu'ran 9:5) is uswa hasana (exemplary model of conduct) and al-insan al-kamil (perfect man) for Muslims. Any questions?
First of all the marriage of the Prophet (S) to Aisha at that age is NOT a historical fact, we've varying accounts of her age and according to some she was 18 or 19. NOw, according to Christianity, Jesus was an arrogant man who claimed to be God and wanted to worshipped. I personally cannot believe in any arrogant power hungry individual who claims to be God. Even Pharoah claimed to be God, why don't you worship him instead? Any questions?
Hmmmm... follower of allah, the enemy of YAHWEH, are you saying Jesus is "arrogant and power hungry"? This shall be most interesting... BTW: your Eesa is not Jesus- any linguist will tell you that.
As for pharoah- he was arrogant for he was not YAHWEH. Read the Genesis account.
I'm not even claiming my Eesa is your Jesus, or that I worship what you worship. Islam is Islam which is the truth, and Christianity is a pagan religion. Ofcourse we are not the same.
Actually, muslim, islam is the bastard child (Ishmael, the illegitimate) from a slave (Hagar) who now wants what YAHWEH will never give him.
Islam proves it pagan roots by its adoption of Kaaba rituals practiced by moon-worshipping Arabs who walked around the Kaaba naked as part of "worship". Don't believe me? God read islamic sources...
Haha..a polytheistic pagan Christian calling Muslims pagan !!! Oh the irony ! Trinity is from Roman Paganism, and your Paul who invented your religion was a perverted pedophile and homosexual. When he did circumsion on timothy in Acts 16:1-3, he sucked on the wound lol so he molested baby timothy and here is my source (A. N. Wilson, Paul The Mind Of The Apostle, (Pimlico, 1998), p. 128
No wonder you pagans are always obsessed with sex.
Trinity is clearly proven in the Tanach and the New Testament. Ayethola Khomeini said that sexual indecency with kids & beastiality are halal. SICKOS!
Prove from the Bible that Paul was any of those things you claim he was. BTW, there is NO account of Paul sucking on Tim's wound...PLUS, Tim was circumcised as an ADULT- like Abraham and Moses.. LYING again, muslim. Anyone can see how you, a muslim, practice deception....
ok listen up you obnoxious evangelist, I gave you my source but you keep pulling stuff out of your ass and denying it. Your denial will not change your pagan religion. Nor will your vile lies or hate. You can try to sanitize your pagan religion for the 21st Century, but don't call me a liar for exposing your devilish teachings.
I don't care where in your pagan religion trinity is proven. It's a pagan polytheistic ritual, I don't care what your scriptures say. Even Hindus have their scriptures that talk of thousands of gods/goddesses. How's your religion any different than theirs?
That's right- you don't care about YAHWEH (Father, Son and Holy Spirit) and His word. You have chosen the BLACK STONE of pagan arabia, to bow in its direction FIVE times a day and kiss it at Hajj- like a pagan...
Oh heart of darkness, dark is your soul which finds itself trapped in the dungeon of the evil darkness called islam...
ok cut out your medieval pagan jargon and talk like an educated adult of the 21st Century. What proof do you have FAther, Son and Holy Spirit are gods except for your scriptures that also claim the world is 6000 years old. Even the Hindu scriptures claim there are thousands of gods, how do you refute that then?
What proof do you have that Mohmd did not see a demon disguised as an "angel" in the cave- esp when he himself was so shaken he said that he thought was demon-possessed?
Let me use logic here: at the very least, a divine book must be historically accurate. The Bible is, the quran isn't- historians will tell you. It should not contain fables: the Bible doesn't, the quran does- proven by the Talmuds and deutero-cannon.
What historian are you talking about? Let me quote some Western historians of repute that specialize in Islam or Islamic history: Bernard Lewis, Francis Robinson, Francesco Gabrielli, John Esposito, Fred Donner etc.
Islamic history is irrelevant to my comment. I am talking about the presentation of ancient history in the quran. Let me help you (off the top of my head):
1. samaritans are mentioned before a time they even existed
2. Haman (the Amalakite) is wrongly in Eqypt with Pharaoh when He lived in Persia
3. Nimrod and Abe are presented as contemporaries when they are centuries apart, etc, etc.
First of all, how are you judging the history mentioned in the Qur'an? If you are judging by comparing it to the Bible, then I can't accept this argument because the Bible is full of scientific/factual errors and contradictions. I don't know much about Haman or Nimrod, but if by samaritans you Sabians, then they actually did predate Islam. I'm not sure where I read about them, but it could have been the Cambridge History of Islam, or the works of Ira Lapidus or Bernard Lewis.
I will prove to you that your quarn says SAMARITANS:
Moses said, "And thou, Samaritan (al-Samari), what was thy business?" Sura 20:85-88, 95. I've given both words used in translation.
The Sabian theory is not widely accepted. It also problemmatic also as the quran uses the word Sabian in other references, but does not use it in surah 20.
quran 2.62 "Those who believe (in the Qur'an)...and the SABIANS.." So no, logic militates against "Sabian".
Oh pulleeez..Christians try so hard to find faults with the Qur'an while even a layman can find faults over faults with the Bible (just as I did when I was a kid). If anything, you need to change your Bible if it disagrees with the Qur'an, not the other way round ! The Qur'an is WITHOUT ERRORS, while the Bible is brimming with errors and contradictions.
The Bible is a huge bundle of pagan crap and by trying to find errors in the Qur'an, you got some guts arrogant Christian ! Those who live in glass houses do not throw stones at others. 1) Jews, like the Christians, have kept changing their beliefs through the times. Today the Jews claim that there is no hereafter. 2) Read up some history, Christians used to claim Mary was part of the trinity. 3) NO contradiction between the 1000 and 50,000 - the 50,000 refers to the day of judgement.
4) this is from a hadeeth, which could or could not be authentic, and is not to be taken literally.
Btw, your little antic of spelling Allah (the Exalted) and Islam with lowercase letters is a little immature. Grow up pagan ! This is not the medieval age anymore.
What proof I've that Our Prophet Muhammad (S) saw Gabriel? That the Qur'an has scientific miracles, it doesnt contradict itself, it's the only religion that preaches monotheism, is logical, and yes contains prophecies (like the discovery of the body of Pharoah) that have proven to be true. Prophet Muhammad never asked us to worship him, but according to Christianity Jesus did - and I personally can never accept any arrogant person who claims to be God.
my friend, many of these so-called "scientific miracles" were ALREADY known by the Greeks & others. Read, please. As for pharoah's body, you're off-track. No historian has ever said any mummies belong to the exodus pharoah- so you're fishing.
You call (Jesus)God arrogant. You refuse to bow to Him, yet it is written "Every knee shall bow" before Christ. You will, muslim, on judgment day.
First of all I really appreciate your cool-headed and decent tone. I'll try to maintain a similar tone too, but I can't stand anyone abusing my Prophet (S) like that. If you notice, I've never directly called Jesus arrogant cuz I believe him to be a different person altogether. But Christian belief implies he was arrogant by his claim to be God. And you are absolutely off track by claiming these scientific miracles were known by the Greeks.
You wrote: "...but according to Christianity JESUS did - and I personally can never accept any arrogant person who claims to be God." You imply Jesus is arrogant.
Christianity have never implied "arrogance". Jesus is God and makes no apology to anyone for claiming His due. He Himself said He will judge. You can call Him "arrogant" on judgment day- we'll see far that gets you.
Greeks: Aristotle did much, for e.g., on embryology- which some muslims now claim is a "miracle" in the quran...
Actually, it is called the fulfilment of the Torah and the Prophets... Oh, yes, you muslims have no part in this basic things, you prefer bowing to the BLACK STONE at the Kaaba- like true pagans...
Fulfillment of prophecies of incest.. Is that what really turns you on ? Sickos. Do me a favor. Instead of calling me a liar, go whine to Jesus about your sick perverted religion.
Sorry, pagan, you see, you mind is in the gutter- again. Fulfilment of prophecy refers to your dim-witted comment regarding Jesus being deemed God. That is a fulfilment of prophecy...
You ARE a liar- you've proven it again and again- your nose must be growing longer and longer by the second.
You've no proof of your prophecy about Jesus being God except for quotations from the Bible which also claims the World is 6000 years old !! That is no proof. How are you any different from Hindus ? Even a hindu could quote his scriptures to "prove" there are thousands of gods/goddesses. That means nothing. Provide me with logical or scienitific evidence.
Delightful, muslim! PLEASE provide us all here with the Bible verse which says the earth is 6000 yrs old.
BTW: friend, I'd tread VERY carefully if I were you, esp when it comes to Biblical prophecy. The Bible is the ONLY religious book with a proven 100% accuracy in prophecy. allah's desert comicbook (the quran) can't even get history right- never mind prophecy...
The Bible has 100% accuracy..hahahha lol. The bible can't cease to contradict itself, let alone prophecy or anything. Go search google, type in "bible 6000 years".
I asked you to provide me with a Bible verse that speaks of 6000 yrs...LOL! No such verse is found in the Bible. Which makes you a....wait for it...LIAR! Again.
Actually historical FACTS prove that all ancient prophecies to be fulfilled back then- have been fulfilled (people, nations, etc) INCLUDING the destruction of the Temple in 70AD as prophesied by Jesus Himself.
Stand in awe, muslim. YAHWEH's Word is exceptionally accurate. Truly divine.
I told you to google it, you have to put a few biblical verses together to see the world is 6000 years old. Christian preachers openly preach teh world is 6000 years old, and you call me a liar ?
I repeat, YOU claimed that the Bible SAYS the earth is 6000 yrs. No such verse or claim exists in the Bible.
You see, you're at a disadvantage bcoz some ppl preach their own opinions. But NONE have ever said that the Bible declares that the earth is 6000 yrs. They give their own view by starting from a specific premise, & use it to calculate 6000 yrs.
If I had space I'd explain why the 6000 yrs MAY be useful as a "prophetic pattern" rather than as earth's age.
I could easily argue these prophecies were added to the bible after these events. Because teh new testament was compiled 70 years after Jesus, and not only that Bible kept going through revisions after revisions.
Let's use a rather NB, ancient prophecy shall we? Prophet Jeremiah lived around 626 B.C & predicted Judah's exile into Babylon & other things. The fulfilment is confirmed historically. Plus we have other prophets who lived thru its effects- their writings prove this.
Archealogists have found the Baruch Seal- which may have been used by Jeremiah's scribe, Baruch. It is dated to the writing of Jeremiah.
Hershel Shanks: "Fingerprint of Jeremiah's Scribe." Biblical Archeology Review.
So you are saying that Bukhari is not trustworthy? What about Sunan Abu-Dawud Book 41, Number 4915, also Number 4916 and Number 4917: Narrated Aisha, Ummul Mu'minin: "The Apostle of Allah... married me when I was 7 or 6". Oh, and in case you are going to claim that this was an ancient practice keep in mind that on coming to power Ayatollah Khomeini promptly reduced the marriageable age of girls to 9.
hahah, no takiyya or kitman here. I'm Muslim not Christian, so I consider lying a sin. Khomeini was shiite not Mainstream Muslim (Sunni), so his example has no bearing on Islam. Any hadeeth whether it's from Bukhari or otherwise is subjected to scrutiny of it's chain of narrators - and this particular hadeeth has a problem with its chain. You can keep your Christian takiyya to yourself, it wont' work here.
ok look asshole, your evangelical preachers are the one of the most obnoxious liars the world has ever seen. I didn't care to dig through your pagan religion to see where they learnt to lie, I couldn't care less.
However, I skimmed through the bible when I was a kid and I was shocked to see that it shamelessly preaches Christian girls to have sex with their fathers, even giving the example of Prophet Lot. Genesis 19:36 : "So both of Lot's daughters became pregnant by their father." Nowhere does the Bible condemn this or say this was wrong, so don't tell me Christianity doesn't preach this.
Really, please show me a bible verse that says "Christian girls can have sex with their fathers". Caught lying, like your father the devil (allah).
You quite clearly have never read Torah. The Laws against incest are very detailed and can easily be found by those who can read....So, you're clearly lying when you say you've read the Bible and you don't know that it has Laws against incest.
Islam is a religion straight from the pit of hell...
I had already predicted your argument, that's why I told you nowhere does the Bible say what Lot and his daughters was wrong. Genesis 19:36 : "So both of Lot's daughters became pregnant by their father."
Prove it to me through your Bible that it was wrong. So much for your incest-obsessed pagan religion.
Is that supposed to be a Bible verse saying "Christian girls must have sex with their fathers"?
Man, you're a joke! LOL!!!! Read Leviticus 18 which prohibits sex btwn relatives. It also goes FAR beyond just relatives as YAHWEH also gives a broader list of ppl...
So, yo've clearly been caught LYING. Man, you muslims are just like allah who lies with ease...
do they train you as kids how to lie without flinching or what? Your bible never says what Lot and his daughters was wrong. And you are supposed to follow your prophets, atleast this is what your obnoxious preachers teach. Just because you are not willing to admit this on a public (understandably so since this is the 21st century), it doesn't change the fact that your pagan religion teaaches christian girls to have sex with their daddys.
LOL!!! You, muslim, who claim to have read (or skimmed) thru the Bible, do not know how the Bible describes Lot?
*sigh* Lot was simply Abe's nephew (Genesis 12: 5). That's it. He did not hold the office of a prophet. Now, shld you ever decide to grow up, I might even take the time to explain why we reject the disorderly way in which islam claims (incorrectly) that Adam, Isaac, etc were "prophets". Seeing that I haven't lied in any of my comments- you are LYING again, muslim.
Ok so Lot was a bad guy according to the Bible? And you don't lie? How much more shameless can you be? You claim we bow down to the black stone, while it is you who worship Jesus. We don't bow down to the black stone, it is our QIBLAH (the direction towards which all Muslims pray). Even if the Kabah were removed, we'd still pray in the same direction.
And why doesn't the Bible at any point say that what Lot did with his daughters was wrong? Surely if it were the word of God, it wouldn't condone or encourage such a thing.
The Word of God already contains the Law which defines sin. I could give you a more comprehensive answer, but it is pointless, as you do not recognise the Law and do not know what its function is.
I will point this out: The Bible provides a record of men's lives,failures,walk with God, repentence, etc. It shows God's awareness of our fall, sins, effect of sin & how God still reaches out to us inspite of this. It is a DEEP book when you grasp it...
If you claim that what Lot and his daughters did falls under "failure" then you should be atleast able to prove THROUGH the Bible that it was failure, not just because you are uncomfortable with it. Because if you don't use the Bible to prove it was wrong, then you've turned your religion into a pick-and-choose/feel-good religion, which makes it man-made and not divine.
Very well handed by the two Imams. Christians are so arrogant and full of hate (just like the guy who made this video) that they can never be satisfied. This is why Christianity has nothing never interests me and this is why record number of Christians are leaving this spiteful religion.
Wrong! Christianity is actually on the rise in Africa and Asia. In fact, in China alone, we are growing by an estimated 200,000 a year and that is under persecution!
Learn your facts before you spew more ignorance and hatred. You are the one who is arrogant and full of hate!
I won't speak for Africa or Asia, but it sure is in decline in the West ! As for Africa, people over there are poor and are really in awe of the White man. And it actually boils down to a competition between Catholics and Protestants. I was browsing through some book on Pope John Paul II and it was complaining about how Islam is spreading faster than Christianity in Nigeria !
All religion is on the decline in the West thanks to secularism, materialism, moral relativism, etc. So don't be so full of yourself on that. Your precious Islam isn't gaining many new converts here, either.
Same with the most of Africa. Islam in the North and Christianity in the South.
If moderate muslims are not vocal in their condemnation of what radical islam is doing to the rest of the world, how can they expect us to assume that they are against it?
proselytizing? I dont think so...This is just a dialogue between religion and this stupid questioner wants to insist a belief of just 10% of muslims(shia) to be answered by a non-believer in taqiyyah(sunni).Too much for people pretending to be seeking the knowledge but in reality wants to steal the limelight..
Hello josephnadir!.where is the deception?if the imams do not want to answer your question is it your deception?and why stop asking question on them?if you really want to settle your "doubts"(but i guess it's more of a bigotry and hatred towards islam) why not visit any mosque near you?
Isnt it strange that the man against whom this allegation is being levelled was in past a Christian Preacher!!!And who doeth greater wrong than he who inventeth a lie against Allah when he is summoned unto Al-Islam? And Allah guideth not wrongdoing folk.Fain would they put out the light of Allah with their mouths, but Allah will perfect His light however much the disbelievers are averse- (Al-Quran 61:7-8)
"If Islam is so bad than why is it the fastest growing religion'- there is no evidence for this. The only thing that supports this claim is that Muhammedans breed like rats in order to outbreed the infidels, which keeps them poor, stupid and fanatical. You might as well ask 'why is AIDS the fastest growing cancer'- or why is mental illness spreading like wildfire around the world. Islam is more than a mental disorder, its a sure way to hell. The koran is the excrement of Arabia.
Lies, lies, lies, the whole ideology is an abomination and based on lies, genocide, forcible conversion, terror, ongoing hatred and 'booty'- which Allah, the moon-god, made 'lawful' for the raping, pillaging Muhammedans. You can't reform Islam. We cannot coexist. Islam gotta go!
Next time, I think someone should go in with a hidden camera and consult with an imam while pretending to be a prospective convert. A public forum has certain rules and you can't be rude. Even so, this is great work. I hope I can try that out if something happens at my local library
No. You don't get it: If you do personal attacks ("just an ignorant bigmouth...braindead sheeps..." etc), that's because you are UNABLE to refute the *demonstrated* criticism. Ouch. You highlight your helplessness before the issue by calling names, etc. Reasonable people recognize this (in western culture, at any rate). Many muslims seem not to understand this. It's a core pattern. Sorry.
LMAO! There is NO criticism here to refute. The guys is clearly a desparate hate-monger islamophibist. He just picked 2-3 points from ISLAM, knowing nil about them, and started running his "big mouth" as if he knows shit.
Thats the reason westerners are called the most STUPID people on the face of this Earth. You people LOVE being spoon-fed.
okay, Prophet Mohammad(saas) clearly said that a believer should never never never lie under any circumstances. But centuries later when shia clerics in khorassan(a province of iran) were being persecuted for being shia muslim, they invented this idea that they could hide their identity to save themself, which is known as taqiya. But it is only a shia invention it has been always condemned by the mainstream muslim - sunnis. Taqiya is the opposit of Islam and is never sanctioned by islam.
Non monsieur, it has Koranic support. From Jihadwatch - "Qur'an 3:28 and 16:106 not only sanction deception of unbelievers, but are taken to do so by mainstream Qur'anic commentators such as Ibn Kathir.
> Taqiya is the opposit of Islam and is never sanctioned by islam.
You appear to be attempting to deceive us. It will not work on an informed audience.
Oh... when I said taqiya, I meant kithman but I typed taqiya by mistake lol , sorry. Yes kithman is a shia invention and only practiced by shias and still condemned by mainstream muslims and kithman is the opposit of Islam and never sanctioned by Islam.
As for taqiya - Islam permits a believer to conceal his/her faith ONLY when facing a threat to be murdered - by Koran 7:150, 3:28 and 16:106. It is despised but permited in Islam.
But you claim - "two Muslim chaplains practice the ISLAMICALLY SANCTIONED deception techniques". If these two gentlemen here are decieving anything, that can never be what Islam sanctions because none of them came to this presentation to conceal their faith and nobody is trying to kill em here. josephnadir, if you cannot prove they are concealing their faith and they know they are about to be killed, then you are decieving people by claiming "Islamically sanctioned".
also, if i asked 'avoided' questions to a priest or a rabbi in that fashion, i probably would have been scolded at. the imams (not chaplains) were very wise and respectful. i felt the 'peace' islam is meant to be.. so u did a favour to muslims as well as nonmuslims.
> so u did a favour to muslims as well as nonmuslims
I agree yet again with you here. By shedding the light of Truth on the dangerous an immoral practices within Islam Muslims and non-Muslims alike will benefit.
i can see my own comments right here in front of me and you are 'copying and pasting' my words and putting them out of context. at first i thought you werer illeterate on islam so i posted, but now i realise your something else and that you will do the same with this comment. so let me just say, BYE BYE!! LOLOLOL
Yes, and everyone else can as well. What we can clearly see is that you were engaging in a common fallacy apologists for Islam commit called Tu Quoque (also called "you, too", or "you're another"). Apparently unbeknownst to you you implicitly agreed with my position when you engaged in Tu Quoque.
> you are 'copying and pasting' my words and putting them out of context
Not at all. I simply pointed out the common view of Islam we share.
i think ur a fanatic christian but im not sure. im a muslim woman & oppression to women has been practiced, is being practiced, and has been practiced before Muhammad pbuh was born, by the nonmuslim and jews as well. its culture of that area. & ur way of doing this is not heroic but rather typical..
aisha was 9, and arabs(pagans, christians, muslims) and jews married little girls too. u havnt done 'enough' research
So we are in agreement that according to the Hadiths Mohamed married a 6 year old and had sex with her at 9.
> im a muslim woman & oppression to women has been practiced
Again we agree that Islam seems to support misogynistic practices like wife-beating (Qur'an 4:34) and the devaluation of a woman's testimony in court (Qur'an 2:282).
What's the link between the question and the answer... ''we're only 200...millions people...'' ???
Christian history, rate of rape (thinking of muslim women raped are not recorded because they hide it)
Over 90% of terrorist attacks are made by muslims even according to muslim leaders... it's quite an exceptional rate for their ''sooo very few number''
Man why dont muslims check in their own history facts.
So laughable... police! police! they want an answer and I dont want to give it... PITY !
liduq 1 month ago
. they didn't even expand on mohammads pedophile marriage question.. yusuf estes is a traitor scum mullah ..islam made him ugly and hateful on the inside.. we are all infidels to them.. next time you see them ask them about the penalty in islam for apostates like me
it's DEATH
DarkprinX2500 3 months ago
I'm a Conservative and a Fundamental Baptist; I have NOTHING in common with these Muslims and am not here to defend Islam, in fact you picked very good questions. However, shame on you for your disrespectful attitude. Shame on you for your self indulgent arrogance as you insisted on having YOUR questions answered first and then selfishly trying to hijack their quorum. Obviously you were trying to score footage and not convince anyone intellectually or morally.
MAINEPREPPER 4 months ago
Islam is the enemy. War has been declared, we now are in battle against Islamic domination of the world. Our weapon against this enemy is the Gospel of Jesus Christ. The Truth will prevail. The enemy will be defeated, they will reap what they sow. Jesus Christ will not be defeated, he will destroy his enemies with the sword of his mouth. Jesus Christ is Lord!
only1wayJC 5 months ago
Actually, the term " infidel " applies to muslims, - since it is a Christian term used to describe people who deviate from Christianity, (the right path),
Therefore, every true muslim is an infidel...
ps. it is pointless debating with muslims, - they spend their lives memorizing lies & deception to defend islam.
You see, islam cannot stand up to scrutiny, - or indeed, the truth, because it is deeply flawed, & propped up with lies.
53yoMoRAPESa9yoChild 7 months ago
i think i understand now........nobody likes muslims.
NIKers96 1 year ago 11
That is another form of taqiyya.....always shift the blame to christians/jews and start criticizing them instead of answering the questions about themselves. They always try to bring up events of Christians/Jews instead of accepting blame.
Sherbearmom1 1 year ago 3
This is how you deal with these deceptive double talking bearded ragheads! they cannot stand scrutiny because their whole belief system is flawed, in the old & new testament God forbids us to lie,its considered a sin, in "islam" ,"allah" alows it, as long as it advances their cause..what kind of crazy religion is this? we definetely cannot be worshipping the same God!.its also ok in islam to be a pedophile, beat your wife,have honor killings, cut off little girls clitoris, but they're peaceful?!
prguy787 1 year ago
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prguy787 1 year ago
An Excelent example on how to confront taqiyya. Good Job guy.
jjk9999 1 year ago
Jesus is the way. . .All muslim must scrutinize their Qur' an before believing it. . .there's nothing holy about it. . .their prophet is a fake and wanted reasons or covers for his crimes. . . .he built a cult that many had fallen for it is basically a Selfish form of religion. . . why can't you muslims get it? . . .Your book is a copy and man made. . .it never did came for the word of God. . . Your scholars knows it.
azzarat79 1 year ago
3:35 My Mom taught me at 6 yrs old two wrongs don't make a right and not to make excuses and take responsibility. Tim McVey had nothing to w/ Christianity. The Crusades were in response to 460 yrs of islamic jihad & conquering the holy lands, killing Jewish & Christian leaders, destroying churches, looting, raping, murdering and forcing conversion on pilgrimage. Islam is a sick twisted cult that lives on ignorant, deception & fear by threat or acts of violence. I don't hate muslims just islam.
geeflyboy 1 year ago
@geeflyboy true true .. that's why i left islam.. humanity is better.. what kind of religion tells you to kill people..
despicable dogma ..
~exmuslim
DarkprinX2500 3 months ago
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oh man this video + comment box is just full of rage
Dnguyen1319 1 year ago
I am gonna be neutral here. The muslim hafiz (chaplain) aren't allowed to look at partially exposed ladies sitting in front of you LOL. and josephnadir why don't you pass out your pamphlets on your own time man, it is very rude to interrupt a forum session that you aren't moderating, staffing, or hosting. As of the rape statistics 10 years ago the hafiz (chaplain) did not have rape statistics from muslim countries because there aren't any! so there is absolutely no comparison!
djkonflikt713 1 year ago
to 403766 : well first of all Mr liar when your quoting something you should do it properly and in its context , not take just what you like.
and about Qur'an (4:24) look at it what it said : i've put the verse in my first answer.
So Mr liar where is the sex slave in the verse? the verse say to give them their dowries and to take the approval of their master and to marry them as it should.
in my next response i'll show your lies about the other verses, and how you put verses out of its context.
noreaga4ever 1 year ago
And whoso of you cannot afford to marry free believing women, let him MARRY what your right hands possess, namely your believing hand-maids. so MARRY them with the leave of their masters and give them their dowries, according to what is fair, they being chaste, NOT COMMITTING FORNICATION, NOR TAKING SECRET PARAMOURS. And if, after they are MARRIED, they are guilty of lewdness, they shall have half the punishment prescribe for free married women.
noreaga4ever 1 year ago
what has yusuf been smoking ? afghan??
druer123 2 years ago
i dare all of you to read just one page of the qoran, and come back here and say the same thing you're saying right now.
i'll be waiting.
troxa25 2 years ago
studied the qoran enough to see & know that its rooted in absolute evil, ir breeds the hypocracy we see in this video & around the world, it professes that murder & violence is ok & even good, its ok to beat the crap out of your wives when they need it! ! Its a book that is proves that there is no love in islamic religion.
Why don't you read it properly . Can't give you mind to read cos I used it as toilet paper.
Truthat77 1 year ago
Alright then I ain't reading pages of the shit I'm not wasting my time but
"Kill the Kuffars",
"I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them" Sura (8:12)
"
Surely the vilest of animals in Allah's sight are those who disbelieve" Sura (8:55)
Qur'an (2:228) - "and the men are a degree above them [women]"
403766 1 year ago
Qur'an (4:24) and Qur'an (33:50) - A man is permitted to take women as sex slaves outside of marriage. Note that the verse distinguishes wives from captives "(those whom they right hand possesses)."
Qur'an (4:3) - "Marry women of your choice, Two or three or four"
There's a lot more than that but I would have to explain the meanings, shall i go oto what Mohammed has persoanlly said?
403766 1 year ago
I love it when islam gets exposed. What a bunch of monkeys they are.
frisianmekkabasher 2 years ago 8
typical muslim garbage ,,,, lets get to it !
lesterclaypool1 2 years ago 2
How many time are women raped by MUslims? Sin is sin.
Hughganaught 3 years ago 6
Good Video! Well done you for again confirming what squirming slimey bastards represent the face of Islam. We have Thousands of them in the UK who go unregulated and never work but drive around in Mercs and BMWs, cash from the 'community' supports them in their 'battle' against the kuffur where they preach obey only sharia and not the kaffur's laws. Lying for allah is as natural as breathing for the muzzies. Even simlple direct questions lead to evasive answers, this is mosque taught everywhere!
jackslodge 3 years ago
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Muslims are subhuman idiots.
Sorry for such peoples like Arabs, Palestinians, Afghans, Turks etc but their national history is a farse. They don't want to leave islam because is part of their identity but the more they persist in this ridiculousity the worst they are.
pervertprophet 3 years ago
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Black Stone stolen for over 40 years & used for toilet!
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The black stone is God Vagina why mohmad kissed
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Allah will make your wife butt one mile long only
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Sex with 1 day old girl Islam
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kuranissatansshit 3 years ago
wth is the camera guy doing?!
VAboi123 3 years ago
exMuslim07 3 years ago 12
what a bunch of stooges, can't even answer the man's questions. either they're ignorant, or have terrorist sympathies. what a bunch of dummies. some dawa they give.
lostak87 4 years ago 3
The Crusades R!!! being questioned. Everyone is deceived, the crusades happened because of the muslim armies coming closer to europe. Eventually they obstructed Christian pelgrims to travel to Israel. THATS WHY the crusades happened. NOT to conquer muslims, cause christians stopped as soon as Israel was free again.
AndreXtra 4 years ago 3
Andre, you are correct.
As an ex Muslim, I will tell you and the poster of this video that you are entirely CORRECT and WISE to ask these questions. And you are correct to assume that this mulims on tape is practicing the highly hones art of Muslim-deception as exemplified by their prophet.
As an ex-Muslim, I ask you... no, I BEG you to watch 'islam, what the west needs to know"
PLEASE.
exMuslim07 3 years ago 2
Nuke, nuke , nuke!!!!!!!!!
paraxeno 4 years ago
"JosephNadir" is a hypocrite. He talks about "deception" while he cuts to images of Muslim women being hung or punished; so as to counter the points made by Yusuf Estes, yet the context of those images are never discussed. A photo of a woman being hanged proves oppression? How do you know why she was hung? You sir are the one practicing deception.
ImyManz99 4 years ago
And by the way Mr. Questioner, do you know that the image you showed of the man holding up the stick against those veiled women was a part of the US-friendly Northern Alliance and not the Taliban? You should choose your photos wisely next time before you decieve others some more. And for the record, 9/11 was an inside job and yes the Iraq War was based on lies.
ImyManz99 4 years ago
Here are a few more questions the presenters did not answer:
* Why do Muslims consider Christians and Jews second class citizens as defined by the term "dhimmi"?
* Why have Muslim leaders not issued a fatwa against bin Laden for the 9/11 terrorist attacks or his declaration of war on us?
josephnadir 4 years ago
> ImyManz: for the record, 9/11 was an inside job
Ah, I get it now. You are a 9/11 "Truther".
josephnadir 4 years ago
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@josephnadir Ah, I get it now. You are a 9/11 "Truther".
giving someone a title does not in any way dispute their position ,were i to call someone an islamophobe ,that would not disputew the fact that islam is a false religion that has one goal ,world domination ,as was the intention of satan
,if i call someone a truther ,that does not dispute the huge amount of facts that 9-11 was an inside job
roxfoot 2 months ago
Really? a part of the Northern Alliance? But still muslim!!! do you get it? He shows how woman or people that think / live different are being punished, there is no freedom in islam only SUBMISSION. Islam means submission which means slavery, what God would want slaves? I can think of only one. Free your mind.
AndreXtra 4 years ago 2
@ImyManz99 (laughs) I guess it doesn't matter the stoning, shooting, and hanging of women but look out for that stick! But in reality you do not really think you are making any sense do you?
mdr22315 1 year ago
@ImyManz99 That doesn't make them Americans. Friendly? That would be a hypocrisy if it were true. The bottom line is that you see your own kind of people killing. Joseph Nadir was right in what he did. He should be applauded and I sincerely hope he continues to do such good at exposing the reality behind the muslim deception. They do have a weakness. There are certain things they cannot say. They dance around them. They are security threats and must be removed.
highnote606 3 months ago
> "JosephNadir" is a hypocrite.
Even if I were it does nothing to counter the fact that the presenters did not answer these questions:
* why are moderate Muslims not more successful at refuting Muslim terrorists on Islamic grounds?
*Why do Muslims revere Mohamed in light of his immoral acts described in the Koran and Hadiths, such as consummating his marriage with Aisha his 9 year old wife and ruling by the sword?
josephnadir 4 years ago 2
Allah Akbar. I recently converted to islam so I could marry one of my goats and beat my wife and children. I also did it so I could become a terrorist and riot in the streets. Good times. Allah is a Mzghabah.Kuss Ummak Bisinaan, Koss ommak ala air jamal mayyet. Add ma emmak neketo la bayyak men tizo, hebil fik men bayadto. Ikhlassy akhrasi ya sharmoot wa iftahy khashmik. binshamak is a Kekri Gahba.Allah Yela'an binshamak. Elhasi teezi Yahreq deenak. Bi kem el sharmoota di, binshamak?
cairsuckit4 4 years ago
This has gotten me to the point, where I don't want to hear a muslim speak, I don't want to see one, be near one...I have to turn off the television, radio and sound on youtube, so I don't have to hear their lies. If I see one, I walk far away from them.
TAPS711 4 years ago 6
Was that the thought police? I didn't know our taxpayer money was funding thought police!
blempo 4 years ago
So typical!! when the questions got too close for comfort the muslim got louder, as in talking over the top of questions and then bringing the meeting to an early close....calling the police was the icing on the cake!they act like they are already an Islamic state, oh , sorry , the end would have been different, they would have killed him for daring to question Quran
peacechild61 4 years ago
The quran is at a job interview. The boss asks, "Do you have references?" quran replies, "Torah and Bible, call them." So the boss calls Torah, and Torah replies, "I have never heard of him." Confused, the boss calls Bible and Bible says, "I know him; he is a liar and a thief and is actually from Satan, the devil, don't believe him." Pressed by the boss, quran defends "they are liars." And the boss reasons: "if they are liars, why do you use them for references unless you are insane?"
jewyjewington 4 years ago 2
jewjew, awesome joke.
I can't believe they called the police.
These muslim terrorist supporters are so cunning; they really think that we are stupid or something.
Don't trust a muslim for 1 second. In their holly book they are sanctioned to lie.
AlanCom1 4 years ago
freedom of speach Muslim way? They kick him out I cant belive it ?
kreb7 4 years ago 3
freedom of speach Muslim way?
kreb7 4 years ago 2
As someone who's interested in Religion, which would you guys say of the main 3 is most peaceful?
shamstar 4 years ago
It's true all I've heard from moderate Muslims is "Christians and Muslims both have fanatics" ("they do it too"- except I don't see Christians cutting off women's clitorises)and when I got to know them well enough, they tried to tell me the terrorists have a point. Muslims prove their stereotypes all the time.
SerenaBlackCat 4 years ago 2
oh and Ayesha wasn't 6 years old. She was 16/17 when Muhammad married her. BTW, Hadith is not Quran. There are many fake Hadiths.
etorAli 4 years ago
No one is fair. You guys talk about talibans! What about your president G W Bush? Didnt he kill innocent people in Afganistan and Iraq? Didnt america killed innocent people in Hiroshima/Nagasaki? You guys call Muhammad violent. Who started the Crusade? Muslims or Christians? Just because you are an American, doesn't mean that you have to be blind and think yourself superior over others. You guys should think. Peace be upon all, regardless of his religion.
etorAli 4 years ago
America is a democracy. If it commits violent foolish acts it is subject to the vote of its citizens. America is not committed to making the same errors for the next two thousand years. Religions on the other hand are. What is written in holy books is with us. It is important to focus on the bigger picture without being drawn on emotional issues like temporal politics. In a few short years George Bush will be history but the Koran will be with us for good or evil.
samten54 4 years ago 2
That's exactly what I was trying to say. Just because one Christian guy (GW Bush) is bad, doesn't mean that all the Christians are bad guys. Same goes to Muslims also. Only a few of them are doing the terrorist acts. You should not blame the whole religion. But if you wanna call others evil, do know that you are evil, too. Dont think youself as saint. Peace be upon all.
etorAli 4 years ago
With respect etorAli I think you make a valid point about the few crazy fools who do the insane acts. Like terrorists and the terrorist George Bush. What I have a problem with is superstition. You see anyone who believes something not based on fact or proof is deluded and possibly dangerous. When large groups accept a non existent god they become responsible for the harm done by the insane who do this non existent gods work.
samten54 4 years ago
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Exactly my thoughts Akhi.
ISLAM IS PERFECT.
SUBZERO90 4 years ago
when u follow the violent pedophile mohammed inconvenient questions are around every corner.
MohammedIsPedophile 4 years ago
Quran 3:65 -
O FOLLOWERS of earlier revelation! Why do you argue about Abraham, seeing that the Torah and the Gospel were not revealed till [long] after him? Will you not, then, use your reason?
reb3lz 4 years ago
Quran 2:135 -
AND THEY say, "Be Jews" - or, "Christians" - "and you shall be on the right path." Say: "Nay, but [ours is] the creed of Abraham, who turned away from all that is false, [110] and was not of those who ascribe divinity to aught beside God."
reb3lz 4 years ago
Quran 2:136 -
Say: "We believe in God, and in that which has been bestowed from on high upon us, and that which has been bestowed upon Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and ,their descendants, and that which has been vouchsafed to Moses and Jesus; and that which has been vouchsafed to all the [other] prophets by their Sustainer: we make no distinction between any of them. And it is unto Him that we surrender ourselves."
reb3lz 4 years ago
Quran 2:139 -
Say [to the Jews and the Christians]: "Do you argue with us about God? [113] But He is our Sustainer as well as your Sustainer - and unto us shall be accounted our deeds, and unto you, your deeds; and it- is unto Him alone that we devote ourselves.
reb3lz 4 years ago
muslims will wins!! lol ..AT LEAST I HOPE SO.
christians and the jews will lose!!lol
u know it already, look at your society,
humans are the biggest loser!!!
But the jewm i hate then
aerraji1980 4 years ago
Muslim doctrine teaches hate. Cutting of hands and feet. Marrying little girls who's bones are not even fully developed. How sick! Pedophiles is what they are. Aysha was 9 years old when Mohammed that sick pedophile had sex with her. The Koran is a book of death!
buddyfreakinholly 4 years ago 2
allah = satan, the father of lies.
Mohmd = false prophet and liar
Hence, let us not be surprised when muslims follow the same pattern.
praisecalvary 4 years ago
another arrogant Christian !
Farakhshaneet 4 years ago
> farak: another arrogant Christian !
Jesus, who lived a life without sin, provides the exemplary model of conduct for Christians. Mohamed, a man who among other things according to Islamic documents (Sahih Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64) married a 6 year old girl and had sex with her when she was 9 years old and commanded the spread of Islam through the sword (Qu'ran 9:5) is uswa hasana (exemplary model of conduct) and al-insan al-kamil (perfect man) for Muslims. Any questions?
josephnadir 4 years ago
First of all the marriage of the Prophet (S) to Aisha at that age is NOT a historical fact, we've varying accounts of her age and according to some she was 18 or 19. NOw, according to Christianity, Jesus was an arrogant man who claimed to be God and wanted to worshipped. I personally cannot believe in any arrogant power hungry individual who claims to be God. Even Pharoah claimed to be God, why don't you worship him instead? Any questions?
Farakhshaneet 4 years ago
>farak: NOw, according to Christianity, Jesus was an arrogant man
According to *you* this may have been the case. But it is demonstrably false that Christianity makes this claim.
> Any questions?
Yes. Do you realize that your premise is false and therefore any conclusion you derive from it is unsubstantiated?
josephnadir 4 years ago
Any man who claims to be God is arrogant and power hungry individual. Pharoah too claimed to be God, how do you view him differently ?
Farakhshaneet 4 years ago
Hmmmm... follower of allah, the enemy of YAHWEH, are you saying Jesus is "arrogant and power hungry"? This shall be most interesting... BTW: your Eesa is not Jesus- any linguist will tell you that.
As for pharoah- he was arrogant for he was not YAHWEH. Read the Genesis account.
praisecalvary 4 years ago
I'm not even claiming my Eesa is your Jesus, or that I worship what you worship. Islam is Islam which is the truth, and Christianity is a pagan religion. Ofcourse we are not the same.
Farakhshaneet 4 years ago
Actually, muslim, islam is the bastard child (Ishmael, the illegitimate) from a slave (Hagar) who now wants what YAHWEH will never give him.
Islam proves it pagan roots by its adoption of Kaaba rituals practiced by moon-worshipping Arabs who walked around the Kaaba naked as part of "worship". Don't believe me? God read islamic sources...
Pure pagan filth.
praisecalvary 4 years ago
Haha..a polytheistic pagan Christian calling Muslims pagan !!! Oh the irony ! Trinity is from Roman Paganism, and your Paul who invented your religion was a perverted pedophile and homosexual. When he did circumsion on timothy in Acts 16:1-3, he sucked on the wound lol so he molested baby timothy and here is my source (A. N. Wilson, Paul The Mind Of The Apostle, (Pimlico, 1998), p. 128
No wonder you pagans are always obsessed with sex.
Farakhshaneet 4 years ago
Trinity is clearly proven in the Tanach and the New Testament. Ayethola Khomeini said that sexual indecency with kids & beastiality are halal. SICKOS!
Prove from the Bible that Paul was any of those things you claim he was. BTW, there is NO account of Paul sucking on Tim's wound...PLUS, Tim was circumcised as an ADULT- like Abraham and Moses.. LYING again, muslim. Anyone can see how you, a muslim, practice deception....
praisecalvary 4 years ago
ok listen up you obnoxious evangelist, I gave you my source but you keep pulling stuff out of your ass and denying it. Your denial will not change your pagan religion. Nor will your vile lies or hate. You can try to sanitize your pagan religion for the 21st Century, but don't call me a liar for exposing your devilish teachings.
Farakhshaneet 4 years ago
I don't care where in your pagan religion trinity is proven. It's a pagan polytheistic ritual, I don't care what your scriptures say. Even Hindus have their scriptures that talk of thousands of gods/goddesses. How's your religion any different than theirs?
Farakhshaneet 4 years ago
Hahahaaaa!!!
That's right- you don't care about YAHWEH (Father, Son and Holy Spirit) and His word. You have chosen the BLACK STONE of pagan arabia, to bow in its direction FIVE times a day and kiss it at Hajj- like a pagan...
Oh heart of darkness, dark is your soul which finds itself trapped in the dungeon of the evil darkness called islam...
praisecalvary 4 years ago
ok cut out your medieval pagan jargon and talk like an educated adult of the 21st Century. What proof do you have FAther, Son and Holy Spirit are gods except for your scriptures that also claim the world is 6000 years old. Even the Hindu scriptures claim there are thousands of gods, how do you refute that then?
Farakhshaneet 4 years ago
What proof do you have that Mohmd did not see a demon disguised as an "angel" in the cave- esp when he himself was so shaken he said that he thought was demon-possessed?
Let me use logic here: at the very least, a divine book must be historically accurate. The Bible is, the quran isn't- historians will tell you. It should not contain fables: the Bible doesn't, the quran does- proven by the Talmuds and deutero-cannon.
praisecalvary 4 years ago
What historian are you talking about? Let me quote some Western historians of repute that specialize in Islam or Islamic history: Bernard Lewis, Francis Robinson, Francesco Gabrielli, John Esposito, Fred Donner etc.
Farakhshaneet 4 years ago
oh yeah how coudl I forget Ira Lapidus !
Farakhshaneet 4 years ago
Islamic history is irrelevant to my comment. I am talking about the presentation of ancient history in the quran. Let me help you (off the top of my head):
1. samaritans are mentioned before a time they even existed
2. Haman (the Amalakite) is wrongly in Eqypt with Pharaoh when He lived in Persia
3. Nimrod and Abe are presented as contemporaries when they are centuries apart, etc, etc.
No divine can ever be this inaccurate.
praisecalvary 4 years ago
First of all, how are you judging the history mentioned in the Qur'an? If you are judging by comparing it to the Bible, then I can't accept this argument because the Bible is full of scientific/factual errors and contradictions. I don't know much about Haman or Nimrod, but if by samaritans you Sabians, then they actually did predate Islam. I'm not sure where I read about them, but it could have been the Cambridge History of Islam, or the works of Ira Lapidus or Bernard Lewis.
Farakhshaneet 4 years ago
I will prove to you that your quarn says SAMARITANS:
Moses said, "And thou, Samaritan (al-Samari), what was thy business?" Sura 20:85-88, 95. I've given both words used in translation.
The Sabian theory is not widely accepted. It also problemmatic also as the quran uses the word Sabian in other references, but does not use it in surah 20.
quran 2.62 "Those who believe (in the Qur'an)...and the SABIANS.." So no, logic militates against "Sabian".
praisecalvary 4 years ago
Oh pulleeez..Christians try so hard to find faults with the Qur'an while even a layman can find faults over faults with the Bible (just as I did when I was a kid). If anything, you need to change your Bible if it disagrees with the Qur'an, not the other way round ! The Qur'an is WITHOUT ERRORS, while the Bible is brimming with errors and contradictions.
Farakhshaneet 4 years ago
No errors in the quran? Let me prove you wrong and a liar.
1. allah claims Jews call Ezra the son of God- WRONG, Jews DON'T
2. allah seems to think the Trinity includes Mary - WRONG
3. allah has a day being equal to 1000 yrs AND 50 000 yrs? CONTRADICTION
4. According to islam, the sun prostrates itself beneath allah's throne- NASA must have a laugh at that one!
etc, etc, etc errors in the quran are grouped as 1. internnal 2. external 3. historical 4. scientific 5. illogical...
praisecalvary 4 years ago
The Bible is a huge bundle of pagan crap and by trying to find errors in the Qur'an, you got some guts arrogant Christian ! Those who live in glass houses do not throw stones at others. 1) Jews, like the Christians, have kept changing their beliefs through the times. Today the Jews claim that there is no hereafter. 2) Read up some history, Christians used to claim Mary was part of the trinity. 3) NO contradiction between the 1000 and 50,000 - the 50,000 refers to the day of judgement.
Farakhshaneet 4 years ago
4) this is from a hadeeth, which could or could not be authentic, and is not to be taken literally.
Btw, your little antic of spelling Allah (the Exalted) and Islam with lowercase letters is a little immature. Grow up pagan ! This is not the medieval age anymore.
Farakhshaneet 4 years ago
What proof I've that Our Prophet Muhammad (S) saw Gabriel? That the Qur'an has scientific miracles, it doesnt contradict itself, it's the only religion that preaches monotheism, is logical, and yes contains prophecies (like the discovery of the body of Pharoah) that have proven to be true. Prophet Muhammad never asked us to worship him, but according to Christianity Jesus did - and I personally can never accept any arrogant person who claims to be God.
Farakhshaneet 4 years ago
my friend, many of these so-called "scientific miracles" were ALREADY known by the Greeks & others. Read, please. As for pharoah's body, you're off-track. No historian has ever said any mummies belong to the exodus pharoah- so you're fishing.
You call (Jesus)God arrogant. You refuse to bow to Him, yet it is written "Every knee shall bow" before Christ. You will, muslim, on judgment day.
praisecalvary 4 years ago
First of all I really appreciate your cool-headed and decent tone. I'll try to maintain a similar tone too, but I can't stand anyone abusing my Prophet (S) like that. If you notice, I've never directly called Jesus arrogant cuz I believe him to be a different person altogether. But Christian belief implies he was arrogant by his claim to be God. And you are absolutely off track by claiming these scientific miracles were known by the Greeks.
Farakhshaneet 4 years ago
You wrote: "...but according to Christianity JESUS did - and I personally can never accept any arrogant person who claims to be God." You imply Jesus is arrogant.
Christianity have never implied "arrogance". Jesus is God and makes no apology to anyone for claiming His due. He Himself said He will judge. You can call Him "arrogant" on judgment day- we'll see far that gets you.
Greeks: Aristotle did much, for e.g., on embryology- which some muslims now claim is a "miracle" in the quran...
praisecalvary 4 years ago
Hmmm..Pharoah was arrogant for claiming to be God, but not Jesus... typical pagan response of the medieval ages.
Farakhshaneet 4 years ago
Actually, it is called the fulfilment of the Torah and the Prophets... Oh, yes, you muslims have no part in this basic things, you prefer bowing to the BLACK STONE at the Kaaba- like true pagans...
praisecalvary 4 years ago
Fulfillment of prophecies of incest.. Is that what really turns you on ? Sickos. Do me a favor. Instead of calling me a liar, go whine to Jesus about your sick perverted religion.
Farakhshaneet 4 years ago
Sorry, pagan, you see, you mind is in the gutter- again. Fulfilment of prophecy refers to your dim-witted comment regarding Jesus being deemed God. That is a fulfilment of prophecy...
You ARE a liar- you've proven it again and again- your nose must be growing longer and longer by the second.
praisecalvary 4 years ago
You've no proof of your prophecy about Jesus being God except for quotations from the Bible which also claims the World is 6000 years old !! That is no proof. How are you any different from Hindus ? Even a hindu could quote his scriptures to "prove" there are thousands of gods/goddesses. That means nothing. Provide me with logical or scienitific evidence.
Farakhshaneet 4 years ago
Delightful, muslim! PLEASE provide us all here with the Bible verse which says the earth is 6000 yrs old.
BTW: friend, I'd tread VERY carefully if I were you, esp when it comes to Biblical prophecy. The Bible is the ONLY religious book with a proven 100% accuracy in prophecy. allah's desert comicbook (the quran) can't even get history right- never mind prophecy...
praisecalvary 4 years ago
The Bible has 100% accuracy..hahahha lol. The bible can't cease to contradict itself, let alone prophecy or anything. Go search google, type in "bible 6000 years".
Farakhshaneet 4 years ago
I asked you to provide me with a Bible verse that speaks of 6000 yrs...LOL! No such verse is found in the Bible. Which makes you a....wait for it...LIAR! Again.
Actually historical FACTS prove that all ancient prophecies to be fulfilled back then- have been fulfilled (people, nations, etc) INCLUDING the destruction of the Temple in 70AD as prophesied by Jesus Himself.
Stand in awe, muslim. YAHWEH's Word is exceptionally accurate. Truly divine.
praisecalvary 4 years ago
I told you to google it, you have to put a few biblical verses together to see the world is 6000 years old. Christian preachers openly preach teh world is 6000 years old, and you call me a liar ?
Farakhshaneet 4 years ago
I repeat, YOU claimed that the Bible SAYS the earth is 6000 yrs. No such verse or claim exists in the Bible.
You see, you're at a disadvantage bcoz some ppl preach their own opinions. But NONE have ever said that the Bible declares that the earth is 6000 yrs. They give their own view by starting from a specific premise, & use it to calculate 6000 yrs.
If I had space I'd explain why the 6000 yrs MAY be useful as a "prophetic pattern" rather than as earth's age.
praisecalvary 4 years ago
I could easily argue these prophecies were added to the bible after these events. Because teh new testament was compiled 70 years after Jesus, and not only that Bible kept going through revisions after revisions.
Farakhshaneet 4 years ago
Let's use a rather NB, ancient prophecy shall we? Prophet Jeremiah lived around 626 B.C & predicted Judah's exile into Babylon & other things. The fulfilment is confirmed historically. Plus we have other prophets who lived thru its effects- their writings prove this.
Archealogists have found the Baruch Seal- which may have been used by Jeremiah's scribe, Baruch. It is dated to the writing of Jeremiah.
Hershel Shanks: "Fingerprint of Jeremiah's Scribe." Biblical Archeology Review.
praisecalvary 4 years ago
>farak: that age is NOT a historical fact
So you are saying that Bukhari is not trustworthy? What about Sunan Abu-Dawud Book 41, Number 4915, also Number 4916 and Number 4917: Narrated Aisha, Ummul Mu'minin: "The Apostle of Allah... married me when I was 7 or 6". Oh, and in case you are going to claim that this was an ancient practice keep in mind that on coming to power Ayatollah Khomeini promptly reduced the marriageable age of girls to 9.
Your takiyya and kitman won't work here.
josephnadir 4 years ago
hahah, no takiyya or kitman here. I'm Muslim not Christian, so I consider lying a sin. Khomeini was shiite not Mainstream Muslim (Sunni), so his example has no bearing on Islam. Any hadeeth whether it's from Bukhari or otherwise is subjected to scrutiny of it's chain of narrators - and this particular hadeeth has a problem with its chain. You can keep your Christian takiyya to yourself, it wont' work here.
Farakhshaneet 4 years ago
Please provide a Biblical verse containing "taqiyya"? Quite clearly, like your "prophet" and your allah, you're a liar.
praisecalvary 4 years ago
ok look asshole, your evangelical preachers are the one of the most obnoxious liars the world has ever seen. I didn't care to dig through your pagan religion to see where they learnt to lie, I couldn't care less.
Farakhshaneet 4 years ago
It doesn't matter that you rant on and on...the fact is, we can find our Covenant DIRECTLY from YAHWEH's promise.
You, oh pagan one, can only claim "religion from allah". That is contrary to the true faith.
praisecalvary 4 years ago
However, I skimmed through the bible when I was a kid and I was shocked to see that it shamelessly preaches Christian girls to have sex with their fathers, even giving the example of Prophet Lot. Genesis 19:36 : "So both of Lot's daughters became pregnant by their father." Nowhere does the Bible condemn this or say this was wrong, so don't tell me Christianity doesn't preach this.
Farakhshaneet 4 years ago
Really, please show me a bible verse that says "Christian girls can have sex with their fathers". Caught lying, like your father the devil (allah).
You quite clearly have never read Torah. The Laws against incest are very detailed and can easily be found by those who can read....So, you're clearly lying when you say you've read the Bible and you don't know that it has Laws against incest.
Islam is a religion straight from the pit of hell...
praisecalvary 4 years ago
I had already predicted your argument, that's why I told you nowhere does the Bible say what Lot and his daughters was wrong. Genesis 19:36 : "So both of Lot's daughters became pregnant by their father."
Prove it to me through your Bible that it was wrong. So much for your incest-obsessed pagan religion.
Farakhshaneet 4 years ago
Is that supposed to be a Bible verse saying "Christian girls must have sex with their fathers"?
Man, you're a joke! LOL!!!! Read Leviticus 18 which prohibits sex btwn relatives. It also goes FAR beyond just relatives as YAHWEH also gives a broader list of ppl...
So, yo've clearly been caught LYING. Man, you muslims are just like allah who lies with ease...
praisecalvary 4 years ago
do they train you as kids how to lie without flinching or what? Your bible never says what Lot and his daughters was wrong. And you are supposed to follow your prophets, atleast this is what your obnoxious preachers teach. Just because you are not willing to admit this on a public (understandably so since this is the 21st century), it doesn't change the fact that your pagan religion teaaches christian girls to have sex with their daddys.
Farakhshaneet 4 years ago
HAHAHAAAAA!!!
What planet are you from, pagan one? Lot is not prophet... LOL!!!
praisecalvary 4 years ago
then what exactly was Lot dear? Atleast for once, try to speak with facts instead of lying shamelessly.
Farakhshaneet 4 years ago
LOL!!! You, muslim, who claim to have read (or skimmed) thru the Bible, do not know how the Bible describes Lot?
*sigh* Lot was simply Abe's nephew (Genesis 12: 5). That's it. He did not hold the office of a prophet. Now, shld you ever decide to grow up, I might even take the time to explain why we reject the disorderly way in which islam claims (incorrectly) that Adam, Isaac, etc were "prophets". Seeing that I haven't lied in any of my comments- you are LYING again, muslim.
praisecalvary 4 years ago
Ok so Lot was a bad guy according to the Bible? And you don't lie? How much more shameless can you be? You claim we bow down to the black stone, while it is you who worship Jesus. We don't bow down to the black stone, it is our QIBLAH (the direction towards which all Muslims pray). Even if the Kabah were removed, we'd still pray in the same direction.
Farakhshaneet 4 years ago
And why doesn't the Bible at any point say that what Lot did with his daughters was wrong? Surely if it were the word of God, it wouldn't condone or encourage such a thing.
Farakhshaneet 4 years ago
The Word of God already contains the Law which defines sin. I could give you a more comprehensive answer, but it is pointless, as you do not recognise the Law and do not know what its function is.
I will point this out: The Bible provides a record of men's lives,failures,walk with God, repentence, etc. It shows God's awareness of our fall, sins, effect of sin & how God still reaches out to us inspite of this. It is a DEEP book when you grasp it...
praisecalvary 4 years ago
If you claim that what Lot and his daughters did falls under "failure" then you should be atleast able to prove THROUGH the Bible that it was failure, not just because you are uncomfortable with it. Because if you don't use the Bible to prove it was wrong, then you've turned your religion into a pick-and-choose/feel-good religion, which makes it man-made and not divine.
Farakhshaneet 4 years ago
Very well handed by the two Imams. Christians are so arrogant and full of hate (just like the guy who made this video) that they can never be satisfied. This is why Christianity has nothing never interests me and this is why record number of Christians are leaving this spiteful religion.
Farakhshaneet 4 years ago
Wrong! Christianity is actually on the rise in Africa and Asia. In fact, in China alone, we are growing by an estimated 200,000 a year and that is under persecution!
Learn your facts before you spew more ignorance and hatred. You are the one who is arrogant and full of hate!
Sion6 4 years ago
I won't speak for Africa or Asia, but it sure is in decline in the West ! As for Africa, people over there are poor and are really in awe of the White man. And it actually boils down to a competition between Catholics and Protestants. I was browsing through some book on Pope John Paul II and it was complaining about how Islam is spreading faster than Christianity in Nigeria !
Farakhshaneet 4 years ago
All religion is on the decline in the West thanks to secularism, materialism, moral relativism, etc. So don't be so full of yourself on that. Your precious Islam isn't gaining many new converts here, either.
Same with the most of Africa. Islam in the North and Christianity in the South.
Sion6 4 years ago
Sharia law comes to hazzard county. lol.
jirostoud1 4 years ago
If moderate muslims are not vocal in their condemnation of what radical islam is doing to the rest of the world, how can they expect us to assume that they are against it?
IAforND 4 years ago
proselytizing? I dont think so...This is just a dialogue between religion and this stupid questioner wants to insist a belief of just 10% of muslims(shia) to be answered by a non-believer in taqiyyah(sunni).Too much for people pretending to be seeking the knowledge but in reality wants to steal the limelight..
latesukiyaki 4 years ago
latesukiyaki: "proselytizing?"
Yes. This was advertized as a da'wa event (en(dot)wikipedia(dot)org / wiki / Dawah)
latesukiyaki: "Too much for people pretending to be seeking the knowledge"
There's no pretending. People now have an increased knowledge since I captured the Muslim's deception techniques on video.
josephnadir 4 years ago
good job man!
Dreadmore 4 years ago
Hello josephnadir!.where is the deception?if the imams do not want to answer your question is it your deception?and why stop asking question on them?if you really want to settle your "doubts"(but i guess it's more of a bigotry and hatred towards islam) why not visit any mosque near you?
latesukiyaki 4 years ago
you need to learn how to hold the camera still
monkeytacobellgrande 4 years ago
I liked this video. It continues to expose extreme Islam for the hatefulness that it truly is.
HistoryGeek4U 4 years ago
KhalidIbnWaleed: "Isnt it strange that the man against whom this allegation is being levelled was in past a Christian Preacher"
Strange to do the switch? People make mistakes, I don't think that is strange.
josephnadir 4 years ago
Isnt it strange that the man against whom this allegation is being levelled was in past a Christian Preacher!!!And who doeth greater wrong than he who inventeth a lie against Allah when he is summoned unto Al-Islam? And Allah guideth not wrongdoing folk.Fain would they put out the light of Allah with their mouths, but Allah will perfect His light however much the disbelievers are averse- (Al-Quran 61:7-8)
KhalidIbnWaleed 4 years ago
Islam is such a disgusting religion. Anyone who follows it is a victim. One who does it willingly is evil!
selfdimension 4 years ago
"If Islam is so bad than why is it the fastest growing religion'- there is no evidence for this. The only thing that supports this claim is that Muhammedans breed like rats in order to outbreed the infidels, which keeps them poor, stupid and fanatical. You might as well ask 'why is AIDS the fastest growing cancer'- or why is mental illness spreading like wildfire around the world. Islam is more than a mental disorder, its a sure way to hell. The koran is the excrement of Arabia.
thecamelsback 4 years ago
Islam is NOT the Fastest growing religion-Christianity outpaces Islam around the world.
Renateh 4 years ago
Lies, lies, lies, the whole ideology is an abomination and based on lies, genocide, forcible conversion, terror, ongoing hatred and 'booty'- which Allah, the moon-god, made 'lawful' for the raping, pillaging Muhammedans. You can't reform Islam. We cannot coexist. Islam gotta go!
thecamelsback 4 years ago
Next time, I think someone should go in with a hidden camera and consult with an imam while pretending to be a prospective convert. A public forum has certain rules and you can't be rude. Even so, this is great work. I hope I can try that out if something happens at my local library
mayalove 4 years ago
mohdsaad90, you cant handle the truth, you know full well that Muslims are obliged to decieve non Muslims.
leemouse 4 years ago
josephnadir - You are just an ignorant bigmouth.
mohdsaad90 4 years ago
You've exposed your helplessness before simple facts, but clearly you can actually do nothing about them! LOL!
jn7000 4 years ago
That is, THE TRUTH HURTS! "Ouch" goes mohdsaad90!
jn7000 4 years ago
LOL - WoW, you really think that hurts? I was laughing at you sorry pathetic braindead sheeps for this pity attempt of "exposing" Islam.
mohdsaad90 4 years ago
No. You don't get it: If you do personal attacks ("just an ignorant bigmouth...braindead sheeps..." etc), that's because you are UNABLE to refute the *demonstrated* criticism. Ouch. You highlight your helplessness before the issue by calling names, etc. Reasonable people recognize this (in western culture, at any rate). Many muslims seem not to understand this. It's a core pattern. Sorry.
jn7000 4 years ago
LMAO! There is NO criticism here to refute. The guys is clearly a desparate hate-monger islamophibist. He just picked 2-3 points from ISLAM, knowing nil about them, and started running his "big mouth" as if he knows shit.
Thats the reason westerners are called the most STUPID people on the face of this Earth. You people LOVE being spoon-fed.
mohdsaad90 4 years ago
okay, Prophet Mohammad(saas) clearly said that a believer should never never never lie under any circumstances. But centuries later when shia clerics in khorassan(a province of iran) were being persecuted for being shia muslim, they invented this idea that they could hide their identity to save themself, which is known as taqiya. But it is only a shia invention it has been always condemned by the mainstream muslim - sunnis. Taqiya is the opposit of Islam and is never sanctioned by islam.
EmreSevelin 5 years ago
> EmreSevelin: they invented this idea
Non monsieur, it has Koranic support. From Jihadwatch - "Qur'an 3:28 and 16:106 not only sanction deception of unbelievers, but are taken to do so by mainstream Qur'anic commentators such as Ibn Kathir.
> Taqiya is the opposit of Islam and is never sanctioned by islam.
You appear to be attempting to deceive us. It will not work on an informed audience.
josephnadir 5 years ago
Oh... when I said taqiya, I meant kithman but I typed taqiya by mistake lol , sorry. Yes kithman is a shia invention and only practiced by shias and still condemned by mainstream muslims and kithman is the opposit of Islam and never sanctioned by Islam.
EmreSevelin 5 years ago
As for taqiya - Islam permits a believer to conceal his/her faith ONLY when facing a threat to be murdered - by Koran 7:150, 3:28 and 16:106. It is despised but permited in Islam.
EmreSevelin 5 years ago
But you claim - "two Muslim chaplains practice the ISLAMICALLY SANCTIONED deception techniques". If these two gentlemen here are decieving anything, that can never be what Islam sanctions because none of them came to this presentation to conceal their faith and nobody is trying to kill em here. josephnadir, if you cannot prove they are concealing their faith and they know they are about to be killed, then you are decieving people by claiming "Islamically sanctioned".
EmreSevelin 5 years ago
hey.. ur in wa joseph? I would like to get involved
trigg0311 5 years ago
also, if i asked 'avoided' questions to a priest or a rabbi in that fashion, i probably would have been scolded at. the imams (not chaplains) were very wise and respectful. i felt the 'peace' islam is meant to be.. so u did a favour to muslims as well as nonmuslims.
-muslim woman
IDATURK66 5 years ago
> so u did a favour to muslims as well as nonmuslims
I agree yet again with you here. By shedding the light of Truth on the dangerous an immoral practices within Islam Muslims and non-Muslims alike will benefit.
josephnadir 5 years ago
LOL josephnadir,
i can see my own comments right here in front of me and you are 'copying and pasting' my words and putting them out of context. at first i thought you werer illeterate on islam so i posted, but now i realise your something else and that you will do the same with this comment. so let me just say, BYE BYE!! LOLOLOL
IDATURK66 5 years ago
> i can see my own comments
Yes, and everyone else can as well. What we can clearly see is that you were engaging in a common fallacy apologists for Islam commit called Tu Quoque (also called "you, too", or "you're another"). Apparently unbeknownst to you you implicitly agreed with my position when you engaged in Tu Quoque.
> you are 'copying and pasting' my words and putting them out of context
Not at all. I simply pointed out the common view of Islam we share.
josephnadir 5 years ago
i think ur a fanatic christian but im not sure. im a muslim woman & oppression to women has been practiced, is being practiced, and has been practiced before Muhammad pbuh was born, by the nonmuslim and jews as well. its culture of that area. & ur way of doing this is not heroic but rather typical..
aisha was 9, and arabs(pagans, christians, muslims) and jews married little girls too. u havnt done 'enough' research
IDATURK66 5 years ago
> aisha was 9
So we are in agreement that according to the Hadiths Mohamed married a 6 year old and had sex with her at 9.
> im a muslim woman & oppression to women has been practiced
Again we agree that Islam seems to support misogynistic practices like wife-beating (Qur'an 4:34) and the devaluation of a woman's testimony in court (Qur'an 2:282).
josephnadir 5 years ago
I admire your courage. Keep up the good work!
ElCidCampeador1094 5 years ago