"Lo! Allah disdaineth not to coin the similitude even of a gnat or anything above that. Those who believe know that it is the truth from their Lord; but those who disbelieve say: What doth Allah wish (to teach) by such a similitude? He misleadeth many thereby, and He guideth many thereby; and He misleadeth thereby only miscreants;" (Qur-An, 2:26)
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"In their hearts is a disease, and Allah increaseth their disease. A painful doom is theirs because they lie. And when it is said unto them: Make not mischief in the earth, they say: We are peacemakers only. Beware ! They indeed the mischief-makers. But they perceive not. And when it is said unto them: believe as the people believe, they say: shall we believe as the foolish believe? Beware ! They indeed are the foolish. But they know not." (Qur-An, 2:10-13)
Why do I watch this? Because there is not much to laugh about during the financial crisis. So this is good fun. I have heard about this video, but never actually found and watched it.
The reason you watched this video is not becuase you wanted a laugh. Get a Quran read the english translation. Read it with an open mind and then decide if it really is a joke. It's a sincere advice.
OK, I did. For 2 years. And many ahadith and tafsir. And now what?
Again: the Koran is a book of signs, spiritual guidance and poetry, not a science textbook.
This is why these videos are not taken serious. No real scientist believes the "science" in a religious book. The Bibles used by Abrahamic religions are not used in science.
Mumineen criticises my comments without saying why or proving any claim. Why?
yea its definatly something of that sort...he claims its good fun but there are many other more comedic things he could b watchin on this same very site if his desire is only to laugh hav "fun"..ppl like him are only interested in bringing ppl to hell wit them "Misery loves company"
may Allah save us from the ppl who are Dhalimeen..Ameen
i see now that evospecies is obsessed wit islam and the miracle of the quran...i hav seen him comment in about 2 other videos of this same subject matter...if there is no science in the quran then y do u keep watchin the videos? lol
Human chromosome number can be seen in the Holy Quran. Chapters, verses, words and letters relating to human creation are arranged by the number 46 (human chromosome number).
Search youtube for chromosome & Quran for more information.
Apart from my above rebuttals of false and ignorant claims there is the opinion of modern Muslim commentators who reject this irrational fascination for reading science into verses that contain no science. Google: Qur'an and science
These 5 objections are:
1. It is lexicographically untenable, since it falsely attributes modern meanings to the quranic vocabulary.
2. It neglects the contexts of words or phrases within the quranic text, and also the occasions of revelation where these are transmitted.
3. It ignores the fact that, for the Quran to be comprehensible for its first audience, the words of the Qurʾān had to conform to the language and the intellectual horizon of the ancient Arabs at the Prophet's time.
4. It does not take notice of the fact that scientific knowledge and scientific theories are always incomplete and provisory by their very nature; therefore, the derivation of scientific knowledge and scientific theories in qurʾānic verses is actually tantamount to limiting the validity of these verses to the time for which the results of the science in question are accepted.
5. Most importantly, it fails to comprehend that the Qur'an is not a scientific book, but a religious one designed to guide human beings by imparting to them a creed and a set of moral values.
It is at least refreshing to see that there are intelligent Muslims out there with common sense!
May all the gullible Muslims that swallow this baloney be enlightened and may the liars be ashamed.
Of course, these enlightened Muslims observed -to their regret- how these pseudo-miracles were debunked as soon as they were proposed, because they were based on deceptiveness and ignorance. Each of those so-called miracles is a stab in the back of Islam. That is all right with me, if you love this hobby, please go on and make fools of yourselves.
2) Apart from the general fallacy of these pseudo-scientific claims, individual claims for scientific knowledge in the Quran invariably rest on two fallacies:
1. The verse does not verily describe what is claimed: the claim is false.
2. The claimed knowledge was already known long before Muhammad: the claim is ignorant.
There is no verse in the Quran, for which scientific insight is claimed, which does not fall under either one or both fallacies. There is no science in the Quran!
1) Science observes natural phenomena and develops theories explaining these phenomena in such a manner that these theories have a reliable predictive value. No verse in the Quran meets this characteristic of modern science. What do you expect? It is an antique medieval text!
This debunks all pseudo-scientific claims about the Quran, all based on reading modern science into ancient texts (hinein-interpretieren). These claims are meaningless logical fallacies. There is no science in the Quran!
evospecies please tell how you are qualified to be talking about this subject? Have you studied anatomy and physiology? do you know what he's even talking about? Please do not tell me you have a biology degree, because everyone has them, tell me at least your a P.H.D if not keep quiet no one care for your opinion!
Kingmalek, I am evospecies and all you may know of me can be found on my channel. Now, let me disclose to you the logical fallacy of the argument by authority. It is stating that a claim is true because a perceived authority says so. However, the truth of a claim shall rest on logic and evidence, not on authority. Therefore, granting your request to me to reveal my authority would be void and your request is one for a fallacy.
And, Kingmalek, do me a favour and go read Keith L. Moore, Reference to Embryology in the Qur'an, Journal Islamic Medical Association, Vol. 18, Jan-June 1986, pp. 15-16. If you have any scientific scholarship, you will easily recognize an example of pseudo-science: massive application of hineininterpretieren (litt: interpreting into; attributing facts to statements without reasonable basis).
Evospecies: 'It is lexicographically untenable, since it falsely attributes modern meanings to the quranic vocabulary. I say: i will just give a few examples to proof your invalidity. Great commentators of the quran like Ikrimah, Mujahid, Al-Hasan and Ar-Rabi` bin Anas said about the verse: ''Verily, We have created man from Nutfah Amshaj'' (76:2) "Amshaj is the mixing of the man's fluid with the woman's fluid.'' This explanation dates back to the years 600/700. (See next post)
Again, and for the last time, Abdul, I just quote modern Islamic scholars. And they make a few very good points. Don't jump on me, I am just the messenger here.
This whole hype of pasting miracles on Quranic verses is bad for Islam and you people are just attributing to make Islam look foolish.
How is this explanation of these great commentators falsely attrbuting scientific meanings to the Quranic vocabulary? Ibn Abbas (may Allah be pleased with him) said about the verse; ''Proceeding from between the backbone and the ribs.''86:7)... (he said) The child will not be born except from both of them (i.e., their sexual fluids. (Tafseer Ibn Kathir). Ibn Katheer lived in13011373. Do you still think that Muslims falsely attribute modern meanings to the Quranic vocabulary? I can go on?
Yes, Abdul, your uncritical belief in these lies is pathetic. You can of course go on happily spouting nonsense, and I could simply refute each of these, but you are too deluded to even recognize that you are being had and my pearls would be for the deluded swines. (This is an expression; I am not saying that you are a swine). Here is a pearl for you: read a few Tafsirs before you let people shove nonsense down your throat.
In my opinion my comment above has been out of line, because way too personal. I apologize to Abdul for not phrasing this comment in more polite words.
Evospecies said: ''(safe and well-guarded.) means, high and protected from anything reaching it. This is a medieval view on cosmology: people did not understand why the sky did not fall!'' Ibn Katheer (may Allah have mercy with him) said about the words: (safe and well-guarded.) means, high and protected from anything reaching it. Its proved by in the 20th century that the atmosphere destroys meteors as they approach the Earth, it prevents them from falling to Earth and harming living things.
Ibn Abbas and al-Jalalayn interpret safe as protected against collapsing. Also Ibn Abbas: protected from the satans by the stars.
Read Ibn Kathir carefully: interpretation as protection against meteors is senseless: We have made the heaven a roof, high and protected from anything reaching it. So the heaven is protected, not the earth. Ibn Kathir also sees the heaven as a dome, a medieval viewpoint based on a flat earth.
Evospecies said: ''Ibn Abbas and al-Jalalayn interpret safe as protected against collapsing.'' I say: tafseer al jalaly doesnt only mention safeness against collapsing. Listen good to what he says: ''And We made the heaven a roof, for the earth, [functioning] like the roof of a house, preserved, from collapsing. So he mentions collapsing but he also mentions that it is like the roof of the house. What does a roof on a house do? It protects the inhabitans from harmful things (rain, trash etc).
If you do not understand this, then maybe I will explain further... A roof on the house doesnt prevent the house from collapsing. So my interpretation of the interpretation of Jalalayn is that he mentions two functions. 1. Preventing from collapsing. 2. Preventing from harmful things (like the roof of a house prevents harmful things from coming in). Now let me ask you: do you really think that whats in the QURAN is not compatible with science? Meaning that it contradicts it? Answer sincerely.
Abdul, honestly, I have not yet seen anything scientific in the Quran or in any other religeous book. I cannot comprehend that otherwise intelligent people would become so gullible where it concerns religious miracles. There is no reasonable thread of evidence for it.
Ask yourself this. Why was not the superbeing more specific, if wanting to communicate scientific signs? His signs then would make us awe. But no, the superbeing has presented us texts that are vague and easily refuted one after another, if scientific knowledge is alleged to them. Maybe he did not mean to give any such signs?
Why did he not rather say: We have made the heaven a roof which burns the stones from space thus guarding you against their deadly impact.
Evospecies:''Why was not the superbeing more specific, if wanting to communicate scientific signs?His signs then would make us awe. '' The disbelievers in the time of the prophet siad the same.They refused to believe until the prophet made the sky fall down on them or..(Or you cause the heaven to fall upon us in pieces, as you have pretended, or you bring Allâh and the angels before (us) face to face;) And in another verse: (..O Moses! We shall never believe in you till we see Allâh plainly..)
The fact is: Allah wil never let people see Him in this world, because than what difference and challenges would there be? Every person would believe, and there aint no evolutionists vs. creationists, atheists vs religious, islam vs. christianity, judasme, boedhisme, satanism. There wouldnt be any test for the believer to become stronger. Furthermore, it takes intellect to aknowledge the signs givin by God. A smart person would have to see God to believe in Him. (see next post)
Mistake in the previous post. It had to be: a smart person wouldNT have to see God to believe in Him. This world is a test and thats why Allah give signs so that you do your best to get to know the truth. And wherever there is a test, there are people who fail, people who pass, people who will mock the test etc. And thats why there are divisions. [Say: Are the blind and the seeing alike? Or can the darkness and the light be equal?](13:16)
The signs are obvious, but how can the blibnd see?
And dont think that the signs are only scientifically. That's just a part of the signs. Look at the Qur'aan... Its style, its eloquence, its uniqenuess, its truthfulness. And Allah challenges people to produce the like of it, yet nobody did. The test is open for you also. The Qur'aan is preserved since it came down till now, and it will continue this way. Why? Because it is send down for all mankind and for all times. Thats why there are also these scientific signs. May Allah guide us all.
And Evospecies, i think people nowadays are just going to deep in science, thinking that science is the ultimate thing. If something isn't seen or can't be measured (like how God cant be seen), then people say: so then God doesnt exist. This is very sad to hear, because this is elevating science to the level of God-> obeying science instead of God. And like you and i both know. There are many things people believed it was science. But years after, it wasnt true. The Quran however, staid true.
Abdul, the existence of a superbeing cannot be demonstrated. However the extreme improbability of such an existence can be fundamentally demonstrated. So the logical choice is easy, unless one loves to believe the improbable and void. And indeed, the masses appear to love this. The contradiction is the total failure of their claims on the truth of their many different superbeings. Like children believe in the tooth fairy, Santa Claus, elves and goblins, childish adults believe in superbeings.
Evospecies said: ''Abdul, the existence of a superbeing cannot be demonstrated. However the extreme improbability of such an existence can be fundamentally demonstrated.'' I say: ''Its seems you are getting more ignorant by time. Did you forget that Atheist theories that were elevated to science collapsed. Look at the concept of static universe, the coincidence of life. All these things collapsed. As sciences develops. Its getting more and more evident that God existst.
Abdul, the Quran is a monolith. The claim of no change does not make it true; why would it? Ah, if you assume it is the superbeings word, surely it should not change, however backward the words may be. Change would defy the superbeings existence. God forbid :-/
However, science is the continual search for truth and inevitably this search goes through the process of trial and error. Exactly this mindfulness guaranties the unfolding of truth in time. This is why science is not monolithic.
Do you notice that your responses are pathetic? You said that there were many books who remained unchanged and you implied that there were many books who cannot be reproduced. I told you to bring forth your proof and you responded by saying: ''Abdul, the existence of a superbeing cannot be demonstrated. However the extreme improbability of such an existence can be fundamentally demonstrated.'' I dont think that you are sincere. Many scientific theories collapsed, but the Quraan never did.
Abdul, style and uniqueness are all very fine, but uncountable books in this world have that. Don´t blow that out of proportion, there is nothing special there. So, the Quran is preserved and unchangeable. So what? This world is replete with much older man made books that have never changed, it only means they are ancient. The Quran is not unique in that. Sent down by the superbeing? Come on, Abdul, that is an urban legend. People love to be misled.
if da quran waz man made then let me ask u which man 1431 years back knew about da big bang and other new discoveries which we have only cum to no 2day but allah/god tells us about 1431 years back?
we muslims are da only people who also accept dat jesus moses etc were messengers too as well muhammed(s.a.w)
14angelwhite, 1400 years back nobody had a clue about the big bang and other modern scientific discoveries. Your belief that the Quran mentions such scientific details is based on false interpretations by those that wish to deceive the gullible. There is no revelation of scientific phenomena in the Quran, you are the victim of a hoax.
Ah, the superbeing hides herself, so that we can only believe but not know. This makes the superbeing a rather deceptive person. In fact this is the approach many swindlers have when selling gullible people something that does not even exist. Would you call the visctims of the swindler smart? I would say that these are the people that have failed.
Being a shrewd swindler, my argument would indeed be: you cannot see her, and that is the test of your belief.
Evospecies said: ''Ah, the superbeing hides herself, so that we can only believe but not know. This makes the superbeing a rather deceptive person.'' Calling the ''superbeing'' a ''her'' is a utterance of your arrogance. Your saying: so that we can believe and not know is false also. You know and you believe. Knowing is different then seeing. Do you know that urine will taste bad? Yes, ofcourse. But you didnt taste it right? So you dont have to actually experience the taste to know and believe.
Evospecies said: ''Abdul, style and uniqueness are all very fine, but uncountable books in this world have that.'' I say: if you are truthfull, show me one religious book that remained unchanged. I ask you for just one. I ask you further to show me one religious book that cant be imitated. Just one. Don't talk without knowledge. A superbeing an urban legend? Take a look at your ownself. Look at the complexity of your body, organs and cells. Can't you use your brains?
OK, Abdul, these disbelievers appeared to be clever enough to not take wild claims and vague statements for granted. Good for them.
The point is that the currently (make believe) scientific verses , are so vague and void of science, that it is totally unlikely that a superbeing was trying to make (scientific) points.
Evospecies said: ''OK, Abdul, these disbelievers appeared to be clever enough to not take wild claims and vague statements for granted.'' I say: ''wild and vague statements??? Its a fact that only one sperm fertlizes. Its a fact that the human embryo develops in stages. Its a fact that the embryo looks like a leach in a stage and then looks like a shewed peace of flesh etc. The Quraan makes this things clear. Your opposing yourself, because you are the one who makes wild and vague statments.
Of course, these enlightened Muslims observed -to their regret- how these pseudo-miracles were refuted as soon as they were proposed, because they were based on deceptiveness and ignorance. Each of those so-called miracles is a stab in the back of Islam. That is all right with me, if you love this hobby, please go on and make fools of yourselves.
scientists (like Einstein) believed in a static universe (there is no beginning and no end to it). Science recently proved that the universe had a beginning. What does the Qur'aan say? ''Have not those who disbelieve known that the heavens and the earth were joined together as one united piece, then We parted them? And We have made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe?'' (21:30). (see next post)
It took a few scientists to discovered the composition of air. Joseph Black in the mid 1700's discovered "fixed air," or
what we call carbon dioxide. The layering of the atmosphere through time, has created a stable environment (Math/Science Nucleus 2001). What does the Qur'aan say? ''And We have made the heaven a roof, safe and well guarded. Yet they turn away from its signs.'' Many Atheist beliefs have been prooved wrong, but the Qur'aan still stands today! (see next post)
The science described in the Qu'raan like embryologie, the existence of an atmosphere, the rotation of the sun, geology, embryologie will never change. Do you think that there willbe an scientific discovery that shows us that the sun doesnt rotate or that there isn't a atmosphere? Or that the human embryo doesnt develop in stages? Its your choice to believe what you want. The Qur'aan was revealed 1399 years ago, and science doesnt contradict the information in it. Is this not a sign for you?
Abdul, again, you are commenting on the insights of your Muslim brothers quoted by me. They are not my own comments!
What the Quran mentions about the orbit (rotation) of the sun and the moon, the embryological stages and the atmosphere does not reveal a thread of modern scientific evidence, and mostly is in error. These claims have been refuted time and again, and if you wish, you can do some research on the matter rather than requiring me to demonstrate what has already been demonstrated.
In the name of reason, Abdul, how can one attribute any scientific significance to the vague 21:32 words -We have made the heaven a roof, safe and well guarded-? And what does safe mean? The Tafsirs teach that it means that the sky does not collapse (fall). And the sky does not need pillars (31:10). This is a medieval view on cosmology: people did not understand why the sky did not fall! This has everything to do with ignorance and nothing with science.
5. Most importantly, it fails to comprehend that the Qur'an is not a scientific book, but a religious one designed to guide human beings by imparting to them a creed and a set of moral values.
After listening to this deceitful baloney it is at least refreshing to see that there are honest Muslims out there, with common sense!
May all the gullible Muslims that swallowed this baloney be enlightened.
What does the Qur'aan says about the sensitive balance? ''And the heaven He has raised high, and He has set up the Balance.'' (55:7) Many people thought that the sun doesnt rotate. What does the Qur'aan says? ''The sun and the moon run on their fixed courses (exactly) calculated with measured out stages for each'''(55:5)Darwin: the first cell could easily have formed in some warm little pond.Science: the living cell and the complex organelles within it, is full of the most complicated designs.
Freud: In his book The Future of an Illusion, published in 1927, he alleged that religious belief was a kind of mental sickness, and maintained that religious beliefs would disappear as man progressed. Science: Scientific research in psychology over the past twenty-five years has demonstrated that, far from being a neurosis or source of neuroses, as Freud and his disciples claimed, religious belief is one of the most consistent correlates of overall mental health and happiness (Patrick Glynn)
Abdul, it appears that you really believe this shit. The world is full of people that yearn for miracles and they will catch any brittle straw to stay deluded.
I am tired of refuting this uncritical nonsense, but OK, here we go again with your balance in 55:7. It has nothing to do with a physical balance. Read the Tafsirs, it concerns a balance of justice. Your explanation therefore is false. Did I mention that all these alleged miracles have been debunked? I thought I did.
Abdul, Verse 55:5 only says -The sun and the moon follow courses (exactly) computed-, this simple thought was already known by ancient Greek philosophers such as Aristarchus of Samos (310-230 BC), long before Muhammad. This claim on science is ignorant. The verse does not even provide a heliocentric view!
Evospecies said: ''in 55:7. It has nothing to do with a physical balance. Read the Tafsirs, it concerns a balance of justice.'' I say: you are right, it is about a balance of justice. I made a mistake here. But to proof that the Quran mentions the phsyical balance and sensitivity, here the following: The verse (The sun and the moon (run) on fixed courses) Tafseer: They move in their orbit in perfect succession, according to precise calculation that is never delayed nor disturbed.(ibn Kather)
Regarding the orbits of the sun and the moon in the Quran, these notions are ancient and precede Muhammad. Claiming that Muhammad was illiterate is void, because these ideas were known in his time. That precise calculation ibn Kather mentions is undisclosed; there are no calculations in Islamic scriptures. Claiming a miracle here is totally unconvincing. I say it once again; these miracles were recently invented just to impress the gullible.
Evospecies said: Aristarchus brought out a book consisting of certain hypotheses. . . . His hypotheses are that the fixed stars and the Sun remain unmoved, and that the Earth revolves about the Sun in the circumference of a circle, the Sun lying in the middle of the orbit. Aristarchus hypotheses were that the fixed stars and the Sun remain UNMOVED, and that the Earth revolves about the Sun in the circumference of a circle, the Sun lying in the middle of the orbit. So your claim is false->
I made a mistake in the previous post. It had to be: Evospecies said: ''The sun and the moon follow courses (exactly) computed-, this simple thought was already known by ancient Greek philosophers such as Aristarchus of Samos.'' And then i said: ''Aristarchus hypotheses were that the fixed stars and the Sun remain UNMOVED, and that the Earth revolves about the Sun in the circumference of a circle.'' So Evospecies said that Artistarchus said that the sun moved, butAristarchus claimed the opposite
And the claim that prohet Mohamed (peace be upon him) copied information from the greek philosophers is invalid. The prophet (peace be upon him) couldn't read, and the greek philosophy books werent available in Arabic in that time. Furthermore, if the prophet Mohammed (peace be upon him) copied from the greeks, how can it be that he took the good and left the wrong? Aristotles for example said that the earth doesnt rotate and that the earth is flat. The Qur'aan doesnt say that. (see next poste)
Yes, Abdul, as I said, Aristarchus mentioned a heliocentric system, which was very clever and modern because the appearances suggested a geocentric system. Note that the Quran does not say anything about heliocentrism or geocentrism. So, really it is not realistic to read anything significant into 55:5, this verse is vague and presents nothing novel.
Evosepecies said: ''Claiming that Muhammad was illiterate is void, because these ideas were known in his time. That precise calculation ibn Kather mentions is undisclosed; there are no calculations in Islamic scriptures. '' The prophet (may peace be upon him) had scribes to write down the verses of the Qur'aan for him when they were revealed. Historically its well known that the prophet was illeterate. About the calculations, see next post....
4. It does not take notice of the fact that scientific knowledge and scientific theories are always incomplete and provisory by their very nature; therefore, the derivation of scientific knowledge and scientific theories in qurʾānic verses is actually tantamount to limiting the validity of these verses to the time for which the results of the science in question are accepted.
Evospecies said: ''the derivation of scientific knowledge and scientific theories in qurʾānic verses is actually tantamount to limiting the validity of these verses.'' I say: ''The Qur'aan was revealed 1399 years ago, and today it's compatible with modern science. Einstein thought that the universe was static (that it doesnt expand). The model of static universe was accepted as scientific fact, but the Qur'aan says that the universe is expanding. (see next post)
It was in the 1970s that scientists first realised that all the physical balances in the universe had been set up in a most sensitive manner so as to permit human life. According to scientists calculations, if the expansion rate had differed from its actual value by more than one part in a billion billion, then the universe would either have recollapsed before it ever reached its present size or else have splattered in every direction in a way never to unite again. (see next post)
Abdul, it appears to escape you that I cite Muslim scholars! I did not say that. You better listen to these intelligent brothers of yours. They are not as foolish as all those gullible people that believe in pseudo-miracles.
2. It neglects the contexts of words or phrases within the quranic text, and also the occasions of revelation where these are transmitted.
3. It ignores the fact that, for the Quran to be comprehensible for its first audience, the words of the Qurʾān had to conform to the language and the intellectual horizon of the ancient Arabs at the Prophet's time.
But apart from the above rebuttals of such false and ignorant claims there is the opinion of modern Muslim commentators who reject this irrational fascination for reading science into verses that contain no science. Google: Qur'an and science
These 5 objections are:
1. It is lexicographically untenable, since it falsely attributes modern meanings to the quranic vocabulary.
(2) Apart from the general fallacy of these pseudo-scientific claims, individual claims for scientific knowledge in the Quran invariably rest on two fallacies:
1. The verse does not verily describe what is claimed: the claim is false.
2. The claimed knowledge was already known long before Muhammad: the claim is ignorant.
There is no verse in the Quran, for which scientific insight is claimed, which does not fall under either one or both fallacies. There is no science in the Quran!
The best Word is the Word of Allah. The best response to people like you is found in the Holy Qur'aan wherein there is no doubt. Here follows two short verses from Allah the Almighty, Allwise describing your condition:
''6.Verily, those who disbelieve, it is the same to them whether you warn them or do not warn them, they will not believe
7. Allah has set a seal on their hearts and on their hearing, and on their eyes there is a covering. Theirs will be a great torment.'' (Surat Al Baqara, 6/7)
Sure Abdul, pelt me with a few verses from a medieval backward book and believe that you are making a point.
Are not these verses very convenient for a false prophet to make people believe that his words have a divine origin? These verses, Abdul, are hollow words.
Contrary, my points 1, 2 and 3 are truth. Get used to it.
Evospecies. Your presumption that the Qur'aan is backward is not backed up by any valid arguments. A synonym for ''backward'' is ''behind'' and an antonym is ''ahead''. Let's now see what applys to the Qur'aan. The Qur'aan is revealed in 610 CE, that's 1399 years ago. In that time information was revealed about embryologie, astronomie, geology etc. This information is just recently known because of research with advanced equipment. (see next post)
Wellknown and respected scientist confess that it's in total agreement with recent scientific discoveries. If we have a good understanding of the words ''backward'' and ''ahead'', we can only conclude that the Qur'aan is far ahead of it's time were there were no microscopes etc. Please spare yourself and don't say: this information is wrong. Do you really think that you are more knowledgeable than these scientists? Or will you say: this information existed long time ago? (see next post)
The back it up with proof if you are truthfull. If you studied islamic history, you would know that the prophet (peace be upon him) was an illeterate man. He lived in Mekka and Mekka wasn't a center of scientific knowledge or philosophies. The Greek philosophical books were translated into arabic many years after the death of the prophet Mohammed (peace be upon him). Besides these philosophers made many mistakes. Artistotles said that the earth doesnt rotate and that the earth is flat. (nextpost
Were do you find this in the Qur'aan? Nowhere. And wat does this mean evospecies? It means that the information in the Qur'aan wasn't copied, because if it was... The mistakes would also be copied. Or do you say: he knew what was bad and what was wrong? How would he know, an illetrate man? Stop presuming and start to give facts. Besides, the Qur'aan is not a scientific Book. Although it contains scientific facts, it is not revealed to teach science. This information is a sign for this period...
OK, Abdul, as you acknowledge, the Quran is not a scientific book, but you insist that the alleged scientific verses in the Quran are true. That is totally without base. Your alleged prophet was not at all illiterate; he invented his so-called revelations to mislead the gullible masses. Your Quran is a scam.
Abdul, these obscure scientists are not well known and respected at all. And, oh yes, I am a lot more knowledgeable than these obscure lying and corrupt scientists. These so called miracles are indeed based on falsity and or ignorance. Do your research!
Keith Moore has co-written (with professor Arthur F. Dalley II) Clinically Oriented Anatomy, which is the most popular English-language anatomy textbook in the world, used by scientists, doctors, physiotherapists and students worldwide. The American Association of Clinical Anatomists awarded Dr. Moore with their Honored Member Award (in 1994).In 2007, the American Association of Anatomists awarded him with the first Henry Gray/Elsevier Distinguished Educator Award. (see next post)
Evospecies said: ''these obscure scientists are not well known and respected at all. And, oh yes, I am a lot more knowledgeable than these obscure lying and corrupt scientists.'' <- i say: ''???'' Are you joking or are you serious? I proved in my previous post what the satus of Keith Moore is in the scientific field. Only an ignorant or arrogant person laymen can say that he knows more in this field. What books have you written? What awards do you have? Like i said: put forward your evidences.
Evospecies said: ''OK, Abdul, as you acknowledge, the Quran is not a scientific book, but you insist that the alleged scientific verses in the Quran are true. That is totally without base.'' If a book doesn't have the purpose of teaching science it can contain scientific facts. Like how a cookbook has the purpose of teaching how to cook, it can be that it contains scientific facts about the structure of beans and patato's. Thus, the cookbook isnt a scientific book, but it does contain science.
"It has been a great pleasure for me to help clarify statements in the Quran about human development. It is clear to me that these statements must have come to Muhammad from God, or Allah, because most of this knowledge was not discovered until many centuries later. This proves to me that Muhammad must have been a messenger of God or Allah".
is totally deluded. Why? Because the Quran is wrong in its description of embryo development.
Abdul, If you think that Keith Moore underpinned his opinion in the much referred to article in the 1986 JIMA, Reference to Embryology in the Quran, I advise you to critically read it. It is a stereotypic example of reading modern facts into obscure ancient texts. German has a great word for this: hineininterpretieren. This pseudo-scientific article is a shameful example of pasting unrelated matter together in order to reach a predetermined conclusion. Science upside down!
(1) Science observes phenomena and develops natural theories explaining them in such a manner that these theories have a reliable predictive value. No verse in the Quran meets this characteristic of modern science. What do you expect? It is an ancient medieval text!
This debunks all pseudo-scientific claims about the Quran, all based on reading modern science into ancient texts (hinein-interpretieren). These claims are therefore meaningless logical fallacies. There is no science in the Quran!
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fdjohan19 1 year ago
Or take that one...
"Lo! Allah disdaineth not to coin the similitude even of a gnat or anything above that. Those who believe know that it is the truth from their Lord; but those who disbelieve say: What doth Allah wish (to teach) by such a similitude? He misleadeth many thereby, and He guideth many thereby; and He misleadeth thereby only miscreants;" (Qur-An, 2:26)
In this Holy Book you find answers to all important questions. It shows the past, present and the future.READ and open your heart
InvestigateThenJudge 2 years ago 2
@InvestigateThenJudge Well said.
peace
j400wel 1 year ago
Allah tells us enough about you:
"In their hearts is a disease, and Allah increaseth their disease. A painful doom is theirs because they lie. And when it is said unto them: Make not mischief in the earth, they say: We are peacemakers only. Beware ! They indeed the mischief-makers. But they perceive not. And when it is said unto them: believe as the people believe, they say: shall we believe as the foolish believe? Beware ! They indeed are the foolish. But they know not." (Qur-An, 2:10-13)
InvestigateThenJudge 2 years ago
Why do I watch this? Because there is not much to laugh about during the financial crisis. So this is good fun. I have heard about this video, but never actually found and watched it.
Hilarious.
StopSpamming1 2 years ago
The reason you watched this video is not becuase you wanted a laugh. Get a Quran read the english translation. Read it with an open mind and then decide if it really is a joke. It's a sincere advice.
dlifeguard 2 years ago
I still laugh every time I watch this.
OK, I did. For 2 years. And many ahadith and tafsir. And now what?
Again: the Koran is a book of signs, spiritual guidance and poetry, not a science textbook.
This is why these videos are not taken serious. No real scientist believes the "science" in a religious book. The Bibles used by Abrahamic religions are not used in science.
Mumineen criticises my comments without saying why or proving any claim. Why?
StopSpamming1 2 years ago
@StopSpamming1 no need prove anything to a thick shill like you
j400wel 1 year ago
@j400wel
yea its definatly something of that sort...he claims its good fun but there are many other more comedic things he could b watchin on this same very site if his desire is only to laugh hav "fun"..ppl like him are only interested in bringing ppl to hell wit them "Misery loves company"
may Allah save us from the ppl who are Dhalimeen..Ameen
Mumineen1 1 year ago
i see now that evospecies is obsessed wit islam and the miracle of the quran...i hav seen him comment in about 2 other videos of this same subject matter...if there is no science in the quran then y do u keep watchin the videos? lol
Mumineen1 2 years ago
@Mumineen1 stopspamming is a utube shill,its its job,the illuminati jinn worshipers pay scum like it to pester people so just flag and ignore.
j400wel 1 year ago
@j400wel
You have no arguments and don't understand the topic. So you insult people.
Are you really a Muslim?
Do you know the Koran? Like 49:11 and 25:63. Read them!
StopSpamming1 1 year ago
Human chromosome number can be seen in the Holy Quran. Chapters, verses, words and letters relating to human creation are arranged by the number 46 (human chromosome number).
Search youtube for chromosome & Quran for more information.
Subhan Allah.
Salem838 2 years ago
Islamic rebuttal of science in the Quran 1
Apart from my above rebuttals of false and ignorant claims there is the opinion of modern Muslim commentators who reject this irrational fascination for reading science into verses that contain no science. Google: Qur'an and science
These 5 objections are:
1. It is lexicographically untenable, since it falsely attributes modern meanings to the quranic vocabulary.
evospecies 2 years ago
Islamic rebuttal of science in the Quran 2, 3
2. It neglects the contexts of words or phrases within the quranic text, and also the occasions of revelation where these are transmitted.
3. It ignores the fact that, for the Quran to be comprehensible for its first audience, the words of the Qurʾān had to conform to the language and the intellectual horizon of the ancient Arabs at the Prophet's time.
evospecies 2 years ago
Islamic rebuttal of science in the Quran 4
4. It does not take notice of the fact that scientific knowledge and scientific theories are always incomplete and provisory by their very nature; therefore, the derivation of scientific knowledge and scientific theories in qurʾānic verses is actually tantamount to limiting the validity of these verses to the time for which the results of the science in question are accepted.
evospecies 2 years ago
Islamic rebuttal of science in the Quran 5
5. Most importantly, it fails to comprehend that the Qur'an is not a scientific book, but a religious one designed to guide human beings by imparting to them a creed and a set of moral values.
It is at least refreshing to see that there are intelligent Muslims out there with common sense!
May all the gullible Muslims that swallow this baloney be enlightened and may the liars be ashamed.
evospecies 2 years ago
Islamic rebuttal of science in the Quran - Final
Of course, these enlightened Muslims observed -to their regret- how these pseudo-miracles were debunked as soon as they were proposed, because they were based on deceptiveness and ignorance. Each of those so-called miracles is a stab in the back of Islam. That is all right with me, if you love this hobby, please go on and make fools of yourselves.
evospecies 2 years ago
2) Apart from the general fallacy of these pseudo-scientific claims, individual claims for scientific knowledge in the Quran invariably rest on two fallacies:
1. The verse does not verily describe what is claimed: the claim is false.
2. The claimed knowledge was already known long before Muhammad: the claim is ignorant.
There is no verse in the Quran, for which scientific insight is claimed, which does not fall under either one or both fallacies. There is no science in the Quran!
evospecies 2 years ago
1) Science observes natural phenomena and develops theories explaining these phenomena in such a manner that these theories have a reliable predictive value. No verse in the Quran meets this characteristic of modern science. What do you expect? It is an antique medieval text!
This debunks all pseudo-scientific claims about the Quran, all based on reading modern science into ancient texts (hinein-interpretieren). These claims are meaningless logical fallacies. There is no science in the Quran!
evospecies 2 years ago
i wonder if any of these scientist revert to islam. could any one tell me when this video recorded?
ramzy242000 2 years ago
evospecies please tell how you are qualified to be talking about this subject? Have you studied anatomy and physiology? do you know what he's even talking about? Please do not tell me you have a biology degree, because everyone has them, tell me at least your a P.H.D if not keep quiet no one care for your opinion!
kingmalek 2 years ago
Kingmalek, I am evospecies and all you may know of me can be found on my channel. Now, let me disclose to you the logical fallacy of the argument by authority. It is stating that a claim is true because a perceived authority says so. However, the truth of a claim shall rest on logic and evidence, not on authority. Therefore, granting your request to me to reveal my authority would be void and your request is one for a fallacy.
evospecies 2 years ago
And, Kingmalek, do me a favour and go read Keith L. Moore, Reference to Embryology in the Qur'an, Journal Islamic Medical Association, Vol. 18, Jan-June 1986, pp. 15-16. If you have any scientific scholarship, you will easily recognize an example of pseudo-science: massive application of hineininterpretieren (litt: interpreting into; attributing facts to statements without reasonable basis).
evospecies 2 years ago
And finally, Abdul, I confront you with the insight of Islamic scholars that refute this nonsense on the basis of five irrefutable points of view.
See below.
Please accept that you stand empty handed.
evospecies 2 years ago
Evospecies: 'It is lexicographically untenable, since it falsely attributes modern meanings to the quranic vocabulary. I say: i will just give a few examples to proof your invalidity. Great commentators of the quran like Ikrimah, Mujahid, Al-Hasan and Ar-Rabi` bin Anas said about the verse: ''Verily, We have created man from Nutfah Amshaj'' (76:2) "Amshaj is the mixing of the man's fluid with the woman's fluid.'' This explanation dates back to the years 600/700. (See next post)
Abduallah1990 2 years ago
Again, and for the last time, Abdul, I just quote modern Islamic scholars. And they make a few very good points. Don't jump on me, I am just the messenger here.
This whole hype of pasting miracles on Quranic verses is bad for Islam and you people are just attributing to make Islam look foolish.
evospecies 2 years ago
How is this explanation of these great commentators falsely attrbuting scientific meanings to the Quranic vocabulary? Ibn Abbas (may Allah be pleased with him) said about the verse; ''Proceeding from between the backbone and the ribs.''86:7)... (he said) The child will not be born except from both of them (i.e., their sexual fluids. (Tafseer Ibn Kathir). Ibn Katheer lived in13011373. Do you still think that Muslims falsely attribute modern meanings to the Quranic vocabulary? I can go on?
Abduallah1990 2 years ago
Yes, Abdul, your uncritical belief in these lies is pathetic. You can of course go on happily spouting nonsense, and I could simply refute each of these, but you are too deluded to even recognize that you are being had and my pearls would be for the deluded swines. (This is an expression; I am not saying that you are a swine). Here is a pearl for you: read a few Tafsirs before you let people shove nonsense down your throat.
evospecies 2 years ago
In my opinion my comment above has been out of line, because way too personal. I apologize to Abdul for not phrasing this comment in more polite words.
evospecies 2 years ago
Evospecies said: ''(safe and well-guarded.) means, high and protected from anything reaching it. This is a medieval view on cosmology: people did not understand why the sky did not fall!'' Ibn Katheer (may Allah have mercy with him) said about the words: (safe and well-guarded.) means, high and protected from anything reaching it. Its proved by in the 20th century that the atmosphere destroys meteors as they approach the Earth, it prevents them from falling to Earth and harming living things.
Abduallah1990 2 years ago
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evospecies 2 years ago
Again, 21:32 as such says nothing, Abdul.
Ibn Abbas and al-Jalalayn interpret safe as protected against collapsing. Also Ibn Abbas: protected from the satans by the stars.
Read Ibn Kathir carefully: interpretation as protection against meteors is senseless: We have made the heaven a roof, high and protected from anything reaching it. So the heaven is protected, not the earth. Ibn Kathir also sees the heaven as a dome, a medieval viewpoint based on a flat earth.
Meteor protection: untenable.
evospecies 2 years ago
Evospecies said: ''Ibn Abbas and al-Jalalayn interpret safe as protected against collapsing.'' I say: tafseer al jalaly doesnt only mention safeness against collapsing. Listen good to what he says: ''And We made the heaven a roof, for the earth, [functioning] like the roof of a house, preserved, from collapsing. So he mentions collapsing but he also mentions that it is like the roof of the house. What does a roof on a house do? It protects the inhabitans from harmful things (rain, trash etc).
Abduallah1990 2 years ago
If you do not understand this, then maybe I will explain further... A roof on the house doesnt prevent the house from collapsing. So my interpretation of the interpretation of Jalalayn is that he mentions two functions. 1. Preventing from collapsing. 2. Preventing from harmful things (like the roof of a house prevents harmful things from coming in). Now let me ask you: do you really think that whats in the QURAN is not compatible with science? Meaning that it contradicts it? Answer sincerely.
Abduallah1990 2 years ago
Abdul, honestly, I have not yet seen anything scientific in the Quran or in any other religeous book. I cannot comprehend that otherwise intelligent people would become so gullible where it concerns religious miracles. There is no reasonable thread of evidence for it.
evospecies 2 years ago
Ask yourself this. Why was not the superbeing more specific, if wanting to communicate scientific signs? His signs then would make us awe. But no, the superbeing has presented us texts that are vague and easily refuted one after another, if scientific knowledge is alleged to them. Maybe he did not mean to give any such signs?
Why did he not rather say: We have made the heaven a roof which burns the stones from space thus guarding you against their deadly impact.
Then I would be impressed!
evospecies 2 years ago
Evospecies:''Why was not the superbeing more specific, if wanting to communicate scientific signs?His signs then would make us awe. '' The disbelievers in the time of the prophet siad the same.They refused to believe until the prophet made the sky fall down on them or..(Or you cause the heaven to fall upon us in pieces, as you have pretended, or you bring Allâh and the angels before (us) face to face;) And in another verse: (..O Moses! We shall never believe in you till we see Allâh plainly..)
Abduallah1990 2 years ago
The fact is: Allah wil never let people see Him in this world, because than what difference and challenges would there be? Every person would believe, and there aint no evolutionists vs. creationists, atheists vs religious, islam vs. christianity, judasme, boedhisme, satanism. There wouldnt be any test for the believer to become stronger. Furthermore, it takes intellect to aknowledge the signs givin by God. A smart person would have to see God to believe in Him. (see next post)
Abduallah1990 2 years ago
Mistake in the previous post. It had to be: a smart person wouldNT have to see God to believe in Him. This world is a test and thats why Allah give signs so that you do your best to get to know the truth. And wherever there is a test, there are people who fail, people who pass, people who will mock the test etc. And thats why there are divisions. [Say: Are the blind and the seeing alike? Or can the darkness and the light be equal?](13:16)
The signs are obvious, but how can the blibnd see?
Abduallah1990 2 years ago
And dont think that the signs are only scientifically. That's just a part of the signs. Look at the Qur'aan... Its style, its eloquence, its uniqenuess, its truthfulness. And Allah challenges people to produce the like of it, yet nobody did. The test is open for you also. The Qur'aan is preserved since it came down till now, and it will continue this way. Why? Because it is send down for all mankind and for all times. Thats why there are also these scientific signs. May Allah guide us all.
Abduallah1990 2 years ago
And Evospecies, i think people nowadays are just going to deep in science, thinking that science is the ultimate thing. If something isn't seen or can't be measured (like how God cant be seen), then people say: so then God doesnt exist. This is very sad to hear, because this is elevating science to the level of God-> obeying science instead of God. And like you and i both know. There are many things people believed it was science. But years after, it wasnt true. The Quran however, staid true.
Abduallah1990 2 years ago
Abdul, the existence of a superbeing cannot be demonstrated. However the extreme improbability of such an existence can be fundamentally demonstrated. So the logical choice is easy, unless one loves to believe the improbable and void. And indeed, the masses appear to love this. The contradiction is the total failure of their claims on the truth of their many different superbeings. Like children believe in the tooth fairy, Santa Claus, elves and goblins, childish adults believe in superbeings.
evospecies 2 years ago
Evospecies said: ''Abdul, the existence of a superbeing cannot be demonstrated. However the extreme improbability of such an existence can be fundamentally demonstrated.'' I say: ''Its seems you are getting more ignorant by time. Did you forget that Atheist theories that were elevated to science collapsed. Look at the concept of static universe, the coincidence of life. All these things collapsed. As sciences develops. Its getting more and more evident that God existst.
Abduallah1990 2 years ago
Abdul, the Quran is a monolith. The claim of no change does not make it true; why would it? Ah, if you assume it is the superbeings word, surely it should not change, however backward the words may be. Change would defy the superbeings existence. God forbid :-/
However, science is the continual search for truth and inevitably this search goes through the process of trial and error. Exactly this mindfulness guaranties the unfolding of truth in time. This is why science is not monolithic.
evospecies 2 years ago
Do you notice that your responses are pathetic? You said that there were many books who remained unchanged and you implied that there were many books who cannot be reproduced. I told you to bring forth your proof and you responded by saying: ''Abdul, the existence of a superbeing cannot be demonstrated. However the extreme improbability of such an existence can be fundamentally demonstrated.'' I dont think that you are sincere. Many scientific theories collapsed, but the Quraan never did.
Abduallah1990 2 years ago
Abdul, style and uniqueness are all very fine, but uncountable books in this world have that. Don´t blow that out of proportion, there is nothing special there. So, the Quran is preserved and unchangeable. So what? This world is replete with much older man made books that have never changed, it only means they are ancient. The Quran is not unique in that. Sent down by the superbeing? Come on, Abdul, that is an urban legend. People love to be misled.
evospecies 2 years ago
if da quran waz man made then let me ask u which man 1431 years back knew about da big bang and other new discoveries which we have only cum to no 2day but allah/god tells us about 1431 years back?
we muslims are da only people who also accept dat jesus moses etc were messengers too as well muhammed(s.a.w)
merry christmas
14angelwhite 2 years ago
14angelwhite, 1400 years back nobody had a clue about the big bang and other modern scientific discoveries. Your belief that the Quran mentions such scientific details is based on false interpretations by those that wish to deceive the gullible. There is no revelation of scientific phenomena in the Quran, you are the victim of a hoax.
evospecies2 2 years ago
Ah, the superbeing hides herself, so that we can only believe but not know. This makes the superbeing a rather deceptive person. In fact this is the approach many swindlers have when selling gullible people something that does not even exist. Would you call the visctims of the swindler smart? I would say that these are the people that have failed.
Being a shrewd swindler, my argument would indeed be: you cannot see her, and that is the test of your belief.
evospecies 2 years ago
Evospecies said: ''Ah, the superbeing hides herself, so that we can only believe but not know. This makes the superbeing a rather deceptive person.'' Calling the ''superbeing'' a ''her'' is a utterance of your arrogance. Your saying: so that we can believe and not know is false also. You know and you believe. Knowing is different then seeing. Do you know that urine will taste bad? Yes, ofcourse. But you didnt taste it right? So you dont have to actually experience the taste to know and believe.
Abduallah1990 2 years ago
Evospecies said: ''Abdul, style and uniqueness are all very fine, but uncountable books in this world have that.'' I say: if you are truthfull, show me one religious book that remained unchanged. I ask you for just one. I ask you further to show me one religious book that cant be imitated. Just one. Don't talk without knowledge. A superbeing an urban legend? Take a look at your ownself. Look at the complexity of your body, organs and cells. Can't you use your brains?
Abduallah1990 2 years ago
OK, Abdul, these disbelievers appeared to be clever enough to not take wild claims and vague statements for granted. Good for them.
The point is that the currently (make believe) scientific verses , are so vague and void of science, that it is totally unlikely that a superbeing was trying to make (scientific) points.
But be my guest, stick to your unfounded belief.
evospecies 2 years ago
Evospecies said: ''OK, Abdul, these disbelievers appeared to be clever enough to not take wild claims and vague statements for granted.'' I say: ''wild and vague statements??? Its a fact that only one sperm fertlizes. Its a fact that the human embryo develops in stages. Its a fact that the embryo looks like a leach in a stage and then looks like a shewed peace of flesh etc. The Quraan makes this things clear. Your opposing yourself, because you are the one who makes wild and vague statments.
Abduallah1990 2 years ago
And, herewith, Abdul, I bid thee farewell. We have said our things and all good things should come to an end. I wish you an interesting life.
evospecies 2 years ago
Islamic rebuttal of science in the Quran - Final
Of course, these enlightened Muslims observed -to their regret- how these pseudo-miracles were refuted as soon as they were proposed, because they were based on deceptiveness and ignorance. Each of those so-called miracles is a stab in the back of Islam. That is all right with me, if you love this hobby, please go on and make fools of yourselves.
evospecies 2 years ago
scientists (like Einstein) believed in a static universe (there is no beginning and no end to it). Science recently proved that the universe had a beginning. What does the Qur'aan say? ''Have not those who disbelieve known that the heavens and the earth were joined together as one united piece, then We parted them? And We have made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe?'' (21:30). (see next post)
Abduallah1990 2 years ago
It took a few scientists to discovered the composition of air. Joseph Black in the mid 1700's discovered "fixed air," or
what we call carbon dioxide. The layering of the atmosphere through time, has created a stable environment (Math/Science Nucleus 2001). What does the Qur'aan say? ''And We have made the heaven a roof, safe and well guarded. Yet they turn away from its signs.'' Many Atheist beliefs have been prooved wrong, but the Qur'aan still stands today! (see next post)
Abduallah1990 2 years ago
The science described in the Qu'raan like embryologie, the existence of an atmosphere, the rotation of the sun, geology, embryologie will never change. Do you think that there willbe an scientific discovery that shows us that the sun doesnt rotate or that there isn't a atmosphere? Or that the human embryo doesnt develop in stages? Its your choice to believe what you want. The Qur'aan was revealed 1399 years ago, and science doesnt contradict the information in it. Is this not a sign for you?
Abduallah1990 2 years ago
Abdul, again, you are commenting on the insights of your Muslim brothers quoted by me. They are not my own comments!
What the Quran mentions about the orbit (rotation) of the sun and the moon, the embryological stages and the atmosphere does not reveal a thread of modern scientific evidence, and mostly is in error. These claims have been refuted time and again, and if you wish, you can do some research on the matter rather than requiring me to demonstrate what has already been demonstrated.
evospecies 2 years ago
In the name of reason, Abdul, how can one attribute any scientific significance to the vague 21:32 words -We have made the heaven a roof, safe and well guarded-? And what does safe mean? The Tafsirs teach that it means that the sky does not collapse (fall). And the sky does not need pillars (31:10). This is a medieval view on cosmology: people did not understand why the sky did not fall! This has everything to do with ignorance and nothing with science.
evospecies 2 years ago
Islamic rebuttal of science in the Quran 5
5. Most importantly, it fails to comprehend that the Qur'an is not a scientific book, but a religious one designed to guide human beings by imparting to them a creed and a set of moral values.
After listening to this deceitful baloney it is at least refreshing to see that there are honest Muslims out there, with common sense!
May all the gullible Muslims that swallowed this baloney be enlightened.
evospecies 2 years ago
What does the Qur'aan says about the sensitive balance? ''And the heaven He has raised high, and He has set up the Balance.'' (55:7) Many people thought that the sun doesnt rotate. What does the Qur'aan says? ''The sun and the moon run on their fixed courses (exactly) calculated with measured out stages for each'''(55:5)Darwin: the first cell could easily have formed in some warm little pond.Science: the living cell and the complex organelles within it, is full of the most complicated designs.
Abduallah1990 2 years ago
Freud: In his book The Future of an Illusion, published in 1927, he alleged that religious belief was a kind of mental sickness, and maintained that religious beliefs would disappear as man progressed. Science: Scientific research in psychology over the past twenty-five years has demonstrated that, far from being a neurosis or source of neuroses, as Freud and his disciples claimed, religious belief is one of the most consistent correlates of overall mental health and happiness (Patrick Glynn)
Abduallah1990 2 years ago
Abdul, it appears that you really believe this shit. The world is full of people that yearn for miracles and they will catch any brittle straw to stay deluded.
I am tired of refuting this uncritical nonsense, but OK, here we go again with your balance in 55:7. It has nothing to do with a physical balance. Read the Tafsirs, it concerns a balance of justice. Your explanation therefore is false. Did I mention that all these alleged miracles have been debunked? I thought I did.
evospecies 2 years ago
Abdul, Verse 55:5 only says -The sun and the moon follow courses (exactly) computed-, this simple thought was already known by ancient Greek philosophers such as Aristarchus of Samos (310-230 BC), long before Muhammad. This claim on science is ignorant. The verse does not even provide a heliocentric view!
evospecies 2 years ago
Evospecies said: ''in 55:7. It has nothing to do with a physical balance. Read the Tafsirs, it concerns a balance of justice.'' I say: you are right, it is about a balance of justice. I made a mistake here. But to proof that the Quran mentions the phsyical balance and sensitivity, here the following: The verse (The sun and the moon (run) on fixed courses) Tafseer: They move in their orbit in perfect succession, according to precise calculation that is never delayed nor disturbed.(ibn Kather)
Abduallah1990 2 years ago
That is a very fair response Abdul, my respect.
Regarding the orbits of the sun and the moon in the Quran, these notions are ancient and precede Muhammad. Claiming that Muhammad was illiterate is void, because these ideas were known in his time. That precise calculation ibn Kather mentions is undisclosed; there are no calculations in Islamic scriptures. Claiming a miracle here is totally unconvincing. I say it once again; these miracles were recently invented just to impress the gullible.
evospecies 2 years ago
Evospecies said: Aristarchus brought out a book consisting of certain hypotheses. . . . His hypotheses are that the fixed stars and the Sun remain unmoved, and that the Earth revolves about the Sun in the circumference of a circle, the Sun lying in the middle of the orbit. Aristarchus hypotheses were that the fixed stars and the Sun remain UNMOVED, and that the Earth revolves about the Sun in the circumference of a circle, the Sun lying in the middle of the orbit. So your claim is false->
Abduallah1990 2 years ago
I made a mistake in the previous post. It had to be: Evospecies said: ''The sun and the moon follow courses (exactly) computed-, this simple thought was already known by ancient Greek philosophers such as Aristarchus of Samos.'' And then i said: ''Aristarchus hypotheses were that the fixed stars and the Sun remain UNMOVED, and that the Earth revolves about the Sun in the circumference of a circle.'' So Evospecies said that Artistarchus said that the sun moved, butAristarchus claimed the opposite
Abduallah1990 2 years ago
And the claim that prohet Mohamed (peace be upon him) copied information from the greek philosophers is invalid. The prophet (peace be upon him) couldn't read, and the greek philosophy books werent available in Arabic in that time. Furthermore, if the prophet Mohammed (peace be upon him) copied from the greeks, how can it be that he took the good and left the wrong? Aristotles for example said that the earth doesnt rotate and that the earth is flat. The Qur'aan doesnt say that. (see next poste)
Abduallah1990 2 years ago
Yes, Abdul, as I said, Aristarchus mentioned a heliocentric system, which was very clever and modern because the appearances suggested a geocentric system. Note that the Quran does not say anything about heliocentrism or geocentrism. So, really it is not realistic to read anything significant into 55:5, this verse is vague and presents nothing novel.
evospecies 2 years ago
Evosepecies said: ''Claiming that Muhammad was illiterate is void, because these ideas were known in his time. That precise calculation ibn Kather mentions is undisclosed; there are no calculations in Islamic scriptures. '' The prophet (may peace be upon him) had scribes to write down the verses of the Qur'aan for him when they were revealed. Historically its well known that the prophet was illeterate. About the calculations, see next post....
Abduallah1990 2 years ago
Islamic rebuttal of science in the Quran 4
4. It does not take notice of the fact that scientific knowledge and scientific theories are always incomplete and provisory by their very nature; therefore, the derivation of scientific knowledge and scientific theories in qurʾānic verses is actually tantamount to limiting the validity of these verses to the time for which the results of the science in question are accepted.
evospecies 2 years ago
Evospecies said: ''the derivation of scientific knowledge and scientific theories in qurʾānic verses is actually tantamount to limiting the validity of these verses.'' I say: ''The Qur'aan was revealed 1399 years ago, and today it's compatible with modern science. Einstein thought that the universe was static (that it doesnt expand). The model of static universe was accepted as scientific fact, but the Qur'aan says that the universe is expanding. (see next post)
Abduallah1990 2 years ago
It was in the 1970s that scientists first realised that all the physical balances in the universe had been set up in a most sensitive manner so as to permit human life. According to scientists calculations, if the expansion rate had differed from its actual value by more than one part in a billion billion, then the universe would either have recollapsed before it ever reached its present size or else have splattered in every direction in a way never to unite again. (see next post)
Abduallah1990 2 years ago
Abdul, it appears to escape you that I cite Muslim scholars! I did not say that. You better listen to these intelligent brothers of yours. They are not as foolish as all those gullible people that believe in pseudo-miracles.
evospecies 2 years ago
Islamic rebuttal of science in the Quran 2, 3
2. It neglects the contexts of words or phrases within the quranic text, and also the occasions of revelation where these are transmitted.
3. It ignores the fact that, for the Quran to be comprehensible for its first audience, the words of the Qurʾān had to conform to the language and the intellectual horizon of the ancient Arabs at the Prophet's time.
evospecies 2 years ago
Islamic rebuttal of science in the Quran 1
But apart from the above rebuttals of such false and ignorant claims there is the opinion of modern Muslim commentators who reject this irrational fascination for reading science into verses that contain no science. Google: Qur'an and science
These 5 objections are:
1. It is lexicographically untenable, since it falsely attributes modern meanings to the quranic vocabulary.
evospecies 2 years ago
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(3) And if this logic does not convince you, do some research yourself; there is ample scientific evidence that there is no science in the Quran.
Just an example:
Does the Qur'an Have any scientific Miracles?
w w w. mukto-mona. com /Articles /avijit /Quran_miracle. htm
w w w. mukto-mona. com /Articles /avijit /Quran_miracle2. htm
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There is no science in the Quran!
evospecies 2 years ago
(2) Apart from the general fallacy of these pseudo-scientific claims, individual claims for scientific knowledge in the Quran invariably rest on two fallacies:
1. The verse does not verily describe what is claimed: the claim is false.
2. The claimed knowledge was already known long before Muhammad: the claim is ignorant.
There is no verse in the Quran, for which scientific insight is claimed, which does not fall under either one or both fallacies. There is no science in the Quran!
evospecies 2 years ago
The best Word is the Word of Allah. The best response to people like you is found in the Holy Qur'aan wherein there is no doubt. Here follows two short verses from Allah the Almighty, Allwise describing your condition:
''6.Verily, those who disbelieve, it is the same to them whether you warn them or do not warn them, they will not believe
7. Allah has set a seal on their hearts and on their hearing, and on their eyes there is a covering. Theirs will be a great torment.'' (Surat Al Baqara, 6/7)
Abduallah1990 2 years ago
Sure Abdul, pelt me with a few verses from a medieval backward book and believe that you are making a point.
Are not these verses very convenient for a false prophet to make people believe that his words have a divine origin? These verses, Abdul, are hollow words.
Contrary, my points 1, 2 and 3 are truth. Get used to it.
evospecies 2 years ago
Evospecies. Your presumption that the Qur'aan is backward is not backed up by any valid arguments. A synonym for ''backward'' is ''behind'' and an antonym is ''ahead''. Let's now see what applys to the Qur'aan. The Qur'aan is revealed in 610 CE, that's 1399 years ago. In that time information was revealed about embryologie, astronomie, geology etc. This information is just recently known because of research with advanced equipment. (see next post)
Abduallah1990 2 years ago
Wellknown and respected scientist confess that it's in total agreement with recent scientific discoveries. If we have a good understanding of the words ''backward'' and ''ahead'', we can only conclude that the Qur'aan is far ahead of it's time were there were no microscopes etc. Please spare yourself and don't say: this information is wrong. Do you really think that you are more knowledgeable than these scientists? Or will you say: this information existed long time ago? (see next post)
Abduallah1990 2 years ago
The back it up with proof if you are truthfull. If you studied islamic history, you would know that the prophet (peace be upon him) was an illeterate man. He lived in Mekka and Mekka wasn't a center of scientific knowledge or philosophies. The Greek philosophical books were translated into arabic many years after the death of the prophet Mohammed (peace be upon him). Besides these philosophers made many mistakes. Artistotles said that the earth doesnt rotate and that the earth is flat. (nextpost
Abduallah1990 2 years ago
Were do you find this in the Qur'aan? Nowhere. And wat does this mean evospecies? It means that the information in the Qur'aan wasn't copied, because if it was... The mistakes would also be copied. Or do you say: he knew what was bad and what was wrong? How would he know, an illetrate man? Stop presuming and start to give facts. Besides, the Qur'aan is not a scientific Book. Although it contains scientific facts, it is not revealed to teach science. This information is a sign for this period...
Abduallah1990 2 years ago
OK, Abdul, as you acknowledge, the Quran is not a scientific book, but you insist that the alleged scientific verses in the Quran are true. That is totally without base. Your alleged prophet was not at all illiterate; he invented his so-called revelations to mislead the gullible masses. Your Quran is a scam.
evospecies 2 years ago
Abdul, these obscure scientists are not well known and respected at all. And, oh yes, I am a lot more knowledgeable than these obscure lying and corrupt scientists. These so called miracles are indeed based on falsity and or ignorance. Do your research!
evospecies 2 years ago
Abdul, I am sorry to say, but any verses in the Quran have no scientific value at all. These claims are all refuted. You are deluded.
evospecies 2 years ago
Keith Moore has co-written (with professor Arthur F. Dalley II) Clinically Oriented Anatomy, which is the most popular English-language anatomy textbook in the world, used by scientists, doctors, physiotherapists and students worldwide. The American Association of Clinical Anatomists awarded Dr. Moore with their Honored Member Award (in 1994).In 2007, the American Association of Anatomists awarded him with the first Henry Gray/Elsevier Distinguished Educator Award. (see next post)
Abduallah1990 2 years ago
Evospecies said: ''these obscure scientists are not well known and respected at all. And, oh yes, I am a lot more knowledgeable than these obscure lying and corrupt scientists.'' <- i say: ''???'' Are you joking or are you serious? I proved in my previous post what the satus of Keith Moore is in the scientific field. Only an ignorant or arrogant person laymen can say that he knows more in this field. What books have you written? What awards do you have? Like i said: put forward your evidences.
Abduallah1990 2 years ago
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And finally, Abdul, I confront you with the insight of Islamic scholars that refute this nonsense on the basis of five irrefutable points of view.
See below.
Please accept that you stand empty handed.
evospecies 2 years ago
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evospecies2 2 years ago
Evospecies said: ''OK, Abdul, as you acknowledge, the Quran is not a scientific book, but you insist that the alleged scientific verses in the Quran are true. That is totally without base.'' If a book doesn't have the purpose of teaching science it can contain scientific facts. Like how a cookbook has the purpose of teaching how to cook, it can be that it contains scientific facts about the structure of beans and patato's. Thus, the cookbook isnt a scientific book, but it does contain science.
Abduallah1990 2 years ago
Abdul, an embryologist that makes this blunder:
"It has been a great pleasure for me to help clarify statements in the Quran about human development. It is clear to me that these statements must have come to Muhammad from God, or Allah, because most of this knowledge was not discovered until many centuries later. This proves to me that Muhammad must have been a messenger of God or Allah".
is totally deluded. Why? Because the Quran is wrong in its description of embryo development.
evospecies 2 years ago
Abdul, If you think that Keith Moore underpinned his opinion in the much referred to article in the 1986 JIMA, Reference to Embryology in the Quran, I advise you to critically read it. It is a stereotypic example of reading modern facts into obscure ancient texts. German has a great word for this: hineininterpretieren. This pseudo-scientific article is a shameful example of pasting unrelated matter together in order to reach a predetermined conclusion. Science upside down!
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(1) Science observes phenomena and develops natural theories explaining them in such a manner that these theories have a reliable predictive value. No verse in the Quran meets this characteristic of modern science. What do you expect? It is an ancient medieval text!
This debunks all pseudo-scientific claims about the Quran, all based on reading modern science into ancient texts (hinein-interpretieren). These claims are therefore meaningless logical fallacies. There is no science in the Quran!
evospecies 2 years ago
Human chromosome number in the Quran:
Search Youtube for Quran & Chromosome
Don't forget to visit the site.
God bless you all.
Salem838 2 years ago
jazak Allahu khairun for sharing this.
keep em coming
AnotherPerspective08 3 years ago