Natural Selection 2 - Lighting Systems

[MrEstevao02]

NS2 Will have same guns that in NS1? there's noone new?

[g0band]

@jackoneill45

They have models in this game. They have at least a portion of a map. They have lighting. How much more is there to code? A gun and jaws that deduct health and ammo? I realize it's a little more complicated than that, but come on! Is it TWO YEARS more complicated than that? I don't think so.

I preordered the game THE DAY preorder sales were available. You know, back in May. MAY 2009!

I'm just saying I feel jipped. Were these videos ever real? Where is the game pictured?

[soylentgreenb]

@g0band It may visually appear that you're 90% of the way there; but that's an illusion. You've solved very visible issue, but there's a 100 more left.

You have to implement bite in a way that works consistently and well over all sorts of networks; you have to predict and interpolate player movement in a way that prevents jerkyness when players are near each other. You have to give bite the right priority so that you're not accidentally biting a nearby armory while aiming for a marine. etc. etc

[countdini2000]

how much is it

[g0band]

This video is 2 years old and looks AWESOME. I just played the latest alpha build and it looks like shit. WTF Charlie?

[jackoneill45]

@g0band They are probably waiting until later on to put the effects like this in the public builds (or until release)

Notice the game doesn't even support multi-cores yet, and runs somewhat sluggish on some of the lower-end but still-powerful hardware that can run games like Crysis fine.

They probably want to optimize it before including things like this.

[do0rkn0b]

THAT NIGGUH IS A GAY NIGGUH

[NekoSigma]

Team of 4 PEOPLE!! Wow...I take back everything I said about how long it's taking. That makes perfect sense.

[xToxicamaNx]

They gonna make this game absolute bomb...

im not playing NS atm, but im thinking it would be soo good, i would want it :D

[Marlboroman2K7]

Why make the bloody tools exclusive?? Dam you!!!!

[elronman]

real time lighting EEEEeeee!

[burakasno1]

thy sould do some more adds because i think a lot of ppl dont know thes game exists wich is a shame because ns 1 was such a good game

[Sebal007]

OKAY LADIES:

Alpha opens its doors on July 26th!

Load your weapons and dont forget your bag with chocolate and drinks for a LOONG night^^

[pelvist]

I hope we get to play witht he editor as well as the game. :)

[Sareth740]

Oh go. I was waiting for great looking game stuff. Ended up getting goodlooking guys too D:!!!!!!!

[rekindledsoftware]

this is a perfect example of dedication and heart put into a game that has taken years to make. You guys inspire indie developers everywhere.

[TheGreatMrKite]

I wonder what the performance implications are of rendering lighting real-time.

[Gusdor]

@TheGreatMrKite It depends how you do it. Obviously if you ray trace everything, the performance implications are giant. The sort of shadows and volumetric effects are fairly quick.

[DentonKun]

NAtural Selection 2 do not use Source anymore.

They use ther own engine called Spark

[WarZari]

NATURAL SELECTION TEAM! you better hurry up cuz this i going to be the MOST AWESOME GAME!

[Ducaz012]

nice

[Sebal007]

Someone noticed the DAMN thing about this video?

Its 2 years old and the engine would still fuck most recent games into their ass o.o.

They are 4 Guys and are doing a great job. Hope to see it 2010 :) (beta or alpha already running? so i would preorder XD)

[REDxFROG]

yea because they are not doing it for a consoles market. They are doing it for the PC players.

Consoles = stagnation

Supporting it = stupid

[Seker0ne]

Alpha is coming around soon, they are starting to test the engine on 2500 pre-orderers.

So they can pick up main problems with it and running it on many different specs.

[ima3dpro]

yeah uno crysis is 2 yrs old and its still the benchmark of gaming graphics

[Profanwolf]

@ima3dpro

I'd say Metro2033, and crysis was just unoptimized.

[Nights85]

@Profanwolf Yeah I didn't play metro but crysis could have ran much better... happens when you have the coders pushed to release something as fast as you can taking shortcuts and what not.

[MrDreamDestroyer]

Source engine owns, not to mention it's not really that demanding when it comes to pc specs.

[rada660]

@Sebal007 the pre-alpha is out, already 2 build have been out, downloadable from steam ( yay ) just have to pre order, wait for the key and activate it on steam, pretty easy :), for now the pre-alpha you kinda alone, with many bug ;) shooting poping target :P that pretty much you can do right now :P

[Sebal007]

@rada660

i know, i preordered the same day i wrote it. No clue why i aksed :D

[Nights85]

@Sebal007 That is the plus to developing your own engine vs using some other pos engine some jackass talking about how they should have just used the source engine or unreal engine which back when they started this was the older shit.. =/

I told him about the dynamic infestation n such how if they did it his way it wouldn't be as easy if at all.

[Tshaikovsky]

@Sebal007 Alpha is open for Pre-order..ers on the 27th of June

Get it soon, because the preorder black marine armor and the Alpha testing things wont be able to buy after the 27th

[Sebal007]

@Tshaikovsky

already said that i bought it 5 month ago ;)

And its 26th not 27th and JULY not June ;)

[Krinkro]

@Sebal007 Nope, 4 years old ive been a preview in 2006

[Sebal007]

@Krinkro

Anyway: Its kickass^^

[360viper117]

@Sebal007 all graphics engines are constantly improved, ALL engines, (even ensemble's engine is still updated even though they are retired/dead whatever people say now-a-days)

Example: A good demonstration would be the gears of war series, its a little hard to notice for someone who isnt very techy but there are quite a few.

[emlmm88]

how do i get into my levels after i make them?

[Seker0ne]

You can't yet, though it is all REAL TIME.

WYSIWYG -What you see is what you get

it will look the same (probably even better) in game.

[red244]

They have Steam publishing and advertising them. One of the best, if not the best game developer in the world that makes good FPS games (EA dont make games).

Their using their own engine, this counters the technology issue as no one else is using it.

AVP is good but not that creative in it's games. It'll likly last a week at most then decline gradually.

They have little to worry about as their very few competitors, they dont use a common game engine and have good names backing them up.

[0neRing]

yes but AVP games are still a classic.I haven't played this one but it seems good very good.

[DrWhoopPhD]

Just so ya know, Steam is a program, the company that makes the games is Valve, who made & use Steam.

[red244]

Yeah I know :/ Just noticed it put that their.

[boba1mighty]

what i really love about the lighting is when there's lights on the wall or something... and the back of a marine glows that color. kinda like the hive and the sensory chamber that was cool.

[medjugorjemir]

Wow, these are some 98 graphics.

[masterchris280]

sarcasm ?...

[combly7]

looks awesome keep up the good work

[gotmuff]

god that lighting looks incredible, i hope your own shadow is going to be cast in the final version tho :o

[Koroush51]

being a game developer seems fun.

[jemis101]

it's a world of hard work, but if things go right, it's amazing. if you want to start, there's never enough programers.

[SukiyakixD]

And it's not all programing too.

You can try to be a designer, animator, 3D modeling is pretty awesome too.

Maybe a texture artist, script writer, the whole process is awesome...

[cbradley1391]

its hard to believe this game is only gona take 1.2 gigs of CPU and like one gig of ram O.O

[megamarsvin]

Frankly I find it harder to believe you could make a game that doesn't run properly with less than 2.5GHz and 2 gigs of rams ;)

[cbradley1391]

lol on the web site thats what it says for the system requirements

[Koroush51]

It will probably run like shit, because it is the minimum.

[briandaley]

bullshit bullshit bullshit theres nooooo way!!!! so I could run this game off of a pentium 3?

[cbradley1391]

yep should be able to. but what they posted coulda been the minimum system requirements. i wouldent be supprised if it takes alot more to run the game desently

[briandaley]

it just doesnt seem possible. I cant believe they are finally working on this advancement in gaming. Im tired of upgrading my PC just to play a decent game. I always said to myself that they need to focus not so much on graphics anymore, but more on the performance side. I think the graphics are good enough, i dont want to see games get realistic, just work on the performance and we are set.

[boba1mighty]

well.. i'm 16 and bought the pc i'm running on right now with my own money .. quad core @ 2.5 ghz... 8 gigs ram.. nvidia gt 220 ... like.. 700$ at best buy.. it runs modern warfare 2 just fine...

[kespec]

5stars!!!

[BGLart]

hehe... nerds

[Blaston7]

i wanna playyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

[alieninfestation]

i meant some hair in the top ...

[alieninfestation]

Unknown Worlds (NS2 designing team) has developed its own engine, which looks really nice. I think that marine model is there just for the show, they ll probably get a shadow (a dynamic one as the chamber, that kinda mushroom with some hears in the top). These guys are working hard in their project, ill buy it for sure, the day its out. If u havent played i can tell u its a mixture of rts and stu where team play really (and i mean really) counts.

[edvaldig]

but "their" engine is Valve´s Half-life engine, Steam . Great game, loved it for years

[enVMovies]

Lol, steam is not a engine, I think you mean Source, right?

[edvaldig]

I did :)

[Fusurugi]

not anymore. Also, its called source, not steam.

[phrawgg2]

thats all well and good but the player's model doesnt seem to cast a shadow, at least that i can see. I hope i'm wrong.

[CSPSpy]

Volumetric Light? HOLY SHIT.

[zzenne]

Never heard of 'Natural Selection 2' :P

[343gulityspark]

Awsome just to imagine taht it was just a simple hl mod before and now a own game xD

Cant wait for it.

By the way:

1) tehre will no be a AvP3 unless there is a Avp 3 Movie so i see it Because all Avp Games are based on their movies.

2) U can not compare Ns with AvP because it is a total different gameplay :

AvP Is kinda 3 Team Deathmatch

NS/NS2 Is a First person multiplayer shooter mixed with real time strategy.

So Result: no sence of comparing these 2 games

343Gulityspark

[puoduh]

graphics looks shitty compared to AvP3, AVP3 will kick this game ass for sure...

[Vykrel]

tell me that by AvP3 u dont mean Alien vs. Predator 3... cuz if u do, ur out of ur fucking mind

[puoduh]

yeah, i guess u are out of your mind, not me...

[Vykrel]

lol dude, AvP games are movie games. therefore, they are half-assed, and ur confusing good graphics for darkness, which causes the graphics to be looked over, because its hard to see anything.

[Militarized]

Way to compare an indie made game to a game made by a huge industry, that I guarantee won't put as much heart and soul into their game.

[AJlegoproductions09]

wow.. you obviously never played NS1, this game is amazing

[TheNewLizardKing]

Have you ever played Natural Selection?

[bud389]

nothing every other game hasn't already done yet.

[focusedwolf]

I agree. Their basically just reinventing the wheel + adding in some unique bugs.

But overall it'll still work out i mean NS2 isn't about graphics...

[Electroh0lic]

im with you guys! i loved NS 1 as much, it was pretty fun except for the over powered focus fade. but it was a very awesome game..keep up the hard work i know this game isnt something huge obviously alot of people dont like it, but i think its awesome and i believe they have a nice big fanbase..keep it up!

[Kastralis]

who doesnt like it? :O

[stuntpea]

Looks good!

I loved Natural Selection 1 so much.

Bursting into the marines room as a space rhino and smashing everything up that took ages to build.

I'd be pissing myself laughing and my mate would be calling me every name under the sun!

I can't wait for this to come out!

[cr3rzemJest]

wasted 15 seconds of my life!!! what did that accomplish?? why did i have to stare at stupid dragon eye and title that i managed to read 666 times during those 15 secs

[Banshee523]

boomer

[0poIE]

about 5 people RL freinds are gonna get this may even get a private match server for us all to play on and if we want to be cocky we could have a 5v5 war hehe

[Profix0]

Well if NS1 is anything to go by the match size would be 6v6, but with additions like the power grid and alien commander it will probably be balanced at 8v8.

[louddistort]

i really hope they make a directx 10 option

[gibboz]

How big is that dudes monitor...

[greatmaster112]

probably 2560 x 1600

[sosocooiam2]

yep got it played it it's pretty fun...

[sosocooiam2]

i got that game...

[doom655]

lies....

[robertghouston]

This game looks f.u.c.k.i.n.g. awesome! Can't wait for its release!

[embermonkey]

CAN

NOT

WAIT

[DeusGear]

Preordered the "special" version.

[sypros]

Best game ever created.

[Debesukaleejs]

just pre ordered it :)

[Zek23]

No, this was on their new engine.

[Lazymob]

wait, was this on the source engine?

[ShishakliAus]

Honestly all of this has been done before... long ago.... But these guys are putting it to good use.... these environments look great with the lighting use like this

[BladelessX]

when is natural selection 2 coming out?

[gorgel123]

Fall of 2009

[jeulises]

one of the best fucking gameS =)

[cbradley1391]

it would be so pimp if there was a console port for this game couse now i definately know my PC wont be able to handle it

[K1kuch1]

Damm! AWESOME!

[Ryano1904]

I wish this was gonna be for free like NS one.

[presnillajones]

when does this game come out?

[HarryH987]

is ns2 still based on the sourceengine?

[tatoot]

no it's a separate engine

[esykillll]

nah.. they're making their own engine.

[Nightblade36]

I don't get what everyone is complaining about... Dynamic lighting DOES effect how a game plays. Nothing is more satisfying than spotting and fragging a clumsy opponent around the corner because he didn't realize his shadow was casting around the corner.

[yamimakaiz]

you can call me old fashioned idiot, but i don't give a flying FUCK about graphics in game. i mean make it so i don't have to use my imagination to identify objects and that's enough for me. don't waste time on visuals just concentrate on improving GAMEPLAY, the thing that ALL modern games are lacking. i mean 3hours from intro till titles of going through incredibly looking towns isn't a game, it's a movie...

[stealth865]

Many modern games have awesome gameplay. The FEAR series, Left 4 Dead, Half-life 2, I could list more but I'll stop there.

[yamimakaiz]

well okay, there are good games, but i would still prefer they would be longer, with more interactive environments or twisted storylines instead of 'dynamic lightings'..

[xxRukUSxx]

That would be in the hands of the writers plotwise. A completely different part of the project.

Its not 1979 where game makers have one or two guys doing everything.

The only reason environments aren't so interactive is BECAUSE graphics technology isn't good enough.

[alidan233]

Listing two valve games is not convincing enough to say there are modern games with good gameplay. Valve is the exception, everything they've done is good. And their graphics may not be considered top notch to some xbots.

[xxRukUSxx]

Well heres the thing, twisted plotlines and intracite gameplay are ideas that just pop into the writers/level designers heads. Whilst graphics are something you can achieve by looking out your window. Meaning graphics advance much faster than gamplay elements.

Good gameplay elements come in instances, not bursts. I respect your thought on games needing more gameplay elements, but executing that isnt as easy as your putting it.

[Reply]

[yamimakaiz]

i kinda sorta have to agree on that 1 :) yeah it's not easy but i don't think they are putting enough effort into it. because there are games that execute gameplay perfectly, so it really can be done. don't you think some game makers are just lazy and looking for easy money?

[xxRukUSxx]

Its not just that, they must keep up with the demand of their loyal players to keep a steady fan base. Look at Valve, HL2, episode one, and episode two are exactly the same gameplay wise to keep gamers preoccupied with little hints on whats next.

They're just using epidsodes to buy time to work on HL3.

[Charlie100]

3 ppl per subdivision is not gona get this game released lol...but still good work.

[slashedhack]

These guys REALLY need a bigger team, or this game will never come out

[ArielCaboob]

yeah and if it comes out after sc2 I probably wont even play it.

[Militarized]

just buy Starcraft original, it'll be like SC2 and the graphics are almost the same too!

[MerkageTurk]

crysis was made by 3 turkish brothers which had super graphics

[Heavykiller1]

they need to change the lighting a bit its a little to much needs to be a bit lighter to give it same shadow effect but not like be a big ray of sun across the screen... still cant wait for game though :)

[2012MUSTANG]

10 bucks says Charlie is gay.

[Heavykiller1]

hmm 10 bucks hes bi?

[2012MUSTANG]

No, just a fag.

[Heavykiller1]

haha true that you play?

[2012MUSTANG]

I used to, before it got all gay and they added all those retarded changes.

[unharmonix]

Looks mean!

[Charlie100]

wow the chambers and weapons look da same...we need something new. i like da new hive tho.

[jiper94]

didn't you listening they were testing the light and shadows not the models and textures

[sniper333sj]

will this game ever fucken come out? i've been waiting for it since i was a teen, and now im going into the army in a month,

[smell929]

My money on 2010

[gaminkalv]

hope they use different skins for that LMG... the old LMG looks ugly.

[gradeahaze]

I hope players can make custom levels still...? GORGE TOWER FTW!!! Ooohhh good times!

[gorgel123]

damnn I wanan play it

[SteveAkaDarktimes]

INFOS:

this game is developed by 4 people, will cost 30 ducks or more, and isnt even on alpha stage,

it will be made on a completely new engine whit no name jet.

i give my money on 2014-15

[ryonagana]

the game is standalone but use source engine? like garrysmod or teamfortress 2 or they're developing own engine?

[Bosnascarface]

you will pay for this game, beacuse it is a standalone game. 20 euro i mean will be cost the game.

[MtnXfreeride]

i heard $20 dont know if a euro is equal to a dollar or not.

[Bosnascarface]

jeah it will be. 20€ cost. I ask my clan member guy in slovenia.

[Incensum]

Whats the chances of being a tester?

[mikal20677]

Slim?

[pattocl]

none

[raoulthompson]

no offense but the fact this is still not out 4 years after hl2 came out severely limits my desire to play it, much like, episode 3, say. I can certainly appreciate the effort but the realistic fact is operating at such a small level makes it exponentially impossible even for a mod to keep up with the fun factor of games that are increasingly online-oriented and infinitely more polished. Take a lesson from valve and dont perfect something so much that only the most die-hard fans still care.

[LULHT]

dude, it is not a half life 2 mod, it's a standalone game.

[ArmyofUndead]

It's no longer a Half Life 2 mod. Rather it's a stand-alone game. Also it's developed by only a few people so of course it's going to take time.

[mikal20677]

Yeah i cant be with ya more there, it got to the point where NS servers have just died, people probably migrated to better games, but i admit this game does look good, and the graphics aren't that bad, not that its all about the graphics anyway, knowing the first one, this will be an addicting strategic game that will have aspects that other games just wont have

As for the long wait, its shit as, but people will either go onto new games (which they have) or they can play this (thats my choice)

[Karona138]

Four people are developing the game?! Did I hear that correct? That is amazing, they did very good job on NS. I cant wait for NS2.

[951012665]

Ready for more bugs.

:D

[joechan123456]

cool,so match HDR

[morphedmind]

Woah. I can't wait for this game to come out.

With all the darkness and the shadows this game will fit well in the Scary category but extremely fun. I just cant wait for this game

[cbradley1391]

ya lets just hope the community wont be so "cut-throught" as the first game.

[rickyx13]

first commend HAHAHAHA

[gogu]

I'm below... so i'm first hahahahaha :))

[rickyx13]

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