"SONIC THE HEDGEHOG" Realtime Gameplay at the TGS 2005

[Uxie2Riolu15]

If Sega was not so lazy and they would actually finished this game it would have been the shit. But nooo they didn't instead they had a couple of beer and think that the game was finished. Finally the day of Sonic the hedgehog was here and you think that this is the best game ever. So you put the game in your console, played the first level and think WTF did I just played, this game is garbage, I want my money back. Shame on you Sega, why Sega. All I'm just saying is sega was lazy with this game

[Tannerwood66]

@Uxie2Riolu15 This game was NOT SEGA or Sonic Team's fault. This game was set for a late 2007 Release, but Sony and Microsoft said:

"release the game by Christmas 2006 or we won't put any more Sonic games on our consoles"

Thus, well over 50% of the game's features were removed. This included:

- A Gem that would have allowed Super Sonic In-game

- A story for all 9 Characters

- Metal Sonic as a pivotal character

- Most town missions

- Sonic running faster the more rings he'd collect

[Amurutimate]

More footage of what could've been a great game. This actually looks like it plays better than the "finished" product. How does that work?!

[SuperSonicRider9000]

@Amurutimate That's Sonic '06 for ya. =P

[Amurutimate]

@SuperSonicRider9000 I would've loved to play this version of the game, but we got the alpha build instead of the one that actually looks fun to play. At least Sega's gotten better with Sonic games since 2006.

[pkstarstorm1up]

@AzukaraMegaDriver. The game isn't trash. It's still much better then a majority of Sonic's other 3D games. It's better then Sonic Adventure 2, Sonic Heroes, Shadow the Hedgehog, Sonic and the Secret Rings, Sonic Unleashed, Sonic and the Black Knight, and Sonic Colors.

[AzukaraMegaDriver]

@pkstarstorm1up No, I'm pretty sure it's trash.

[pkstarstorm1up]

@AzukaraMegaDriver No it's not.

[SuperSonicRider9000]

@pkstarstorm1up Look, it's all fine and dandy that you think the game is the holy grail of Sonic games, but other people just don't like it and you can't change their minds about that.

Me? I prefer it over Sonic & the Secret Rings, Sonic 3D Blast/Flickies' Island, Sonic Blast...and that's about it.

[pkstarstorm1up]

@SuperSonicRider9000 I don't think that it is the holy grail of Sonic. I just think that it is much better than people make it out to be.

[Amurutimate]

@pkstarstorm1up Okay, so you go enjoy the game then. Stop shoving your opinion on it down everyone else's throats--you're not making them change their minds.

[pkstarstorm1up]

@Amurutimate I'm not shoving my opinion down people's throats. There is a difference between forcing your opinon down people's throats and simply expressing your opinion.

[Amurutimate]

@pkstarstorm1up So what do you call constantly telling people how you think this game is SOOOO good, even though they don't care because they either played it and hated it, or haven't heard of it? You could just as easily say "The game got bad scores, but I personally enjoyed it more than ______". Also, how is BlazeHedgehog a retro fag? I don't think a retro Sonic fag would like games like Rush, Unleashed, or Generations, or make a 2D version of a game he doesn't like (aka 2006).

[iMernerner]

um. i thought Beta means 'getting better' ... but real sonic 06 was worse.

[cheese7monkey]

how does anyone think this looks better than 06? the run animations are still shit, the jumping's floaty as crap, the homing attack manages to look worse. the only difference is it's being played by a dev so they're obviously noy gonna showcase the stupid amount of bugs in the engine (that they never fixed). and it doesnt have a story which was one of the worst parts of 06 i guess

[SONICBOYREBORN234]

@cheese7monkey The running animation doesn't look all airplane-like, like the final product. It looks kinda like Sonic Adventure. And you can't really tell how the gameplay is here because you haven't PLAYED this build. If I ever got my hands on this one, I would try to make it a hell of a game. Just because it's 06 doesn't mean it should be banned with a permenant hate mark. This would have been amazing if they fixed some of the problems in this build.

[pkstarstorm1up]

@cheese7monkey 06's story was one of it's best parts. Best storyline in Sonic history in my opinion.

[TomicTheHedgehog]

It's really sad that this beta looks fun to play. Yeah, it looks a bit laggy and there are a few bugs, but damnit, it looks better than the final game. Jesus, Sonic even looks faster here, and his animations look cooler!

[DaPaRappa]

Why does this look way better than the final game?

Man... this game had soo much potential...

[SONICBOYREBORN234]

Now THIS is how 06 should have been.

[pkstarstorm1up]

@SONICBOYREBORN234 Well this beta is only better in the graphics department. If you want to see a really good beta of 06 go to Sonic cult and watch the E3 2006 beta demos for Sonic and Silver in the 06 section.

[FoxDX2]

that sonic model is awful

[Redmanning12]

I want another sonic like this but with much more improvements

[TomicTheHedgehog]

God, this actually has better gameplay than the final product. Grinding is FAST. The homing attack looks NICER. The model movement is SMOOTHER. The gameplay is LESS CHOPPY. The rings are much more NICE LOOKING. The control looks LESS FLICKY. The control is FASTER.

[HLGmatrix1]

What happened to changing from day to night?!

[Nomad9]

@HLGmatrix1 Took too much to make happen, development issues, short-handed dev crew, etc..

Though I will say that this looks at least somewhat better than what we got. Even if some jumps and rail sections looked scripted for show.

[dratinifan13]

Were you seriously trollin me back there? Cuz you're sayin its trash on this vid.

[treverpatey]

but besides that i think they should keep the story the way it is use this gameplay style

and cut it down to only sonics story being playable it might be a good game

[treverpatey]

no they didnt? this was not to advertise sonic "back to his ruits" infact it was the other way around! it was to adverise the next generation!

[DarkshootTheHedgehog]

Is it Yuji Naka playing?

[zonic94]

How is it possible that this TGS demo (displayed 14 months before the game was released no less) looks better than the final version in both presentation and gameplay? 

[pkstarstorm1up]

@zonic94 Microsoft and Sony forced Sonic Team to rush the game by threatening to sue them if they didn't release the game by Christmas. Thus they had to tone down the graphics a bit, let the gameplay be a bit buggy, take out really cool features like being able to by the Rainbow Gem which would allow you to turn into Super Sonic during the action stages. If they were allowed to take thier time and release the game in 2007 like they had wanted to, then this game would be much more loved.

[supermax110]

@pkstarstorm1up I've already known this, But why did they threaten to sue them?

Thanks alot Sony, you probably made Sega lose like thousands of fans because of this game. -.-"

[pkstarstorm1up]

Since this game was highly anticipated and praised as a wonderful game when this version of the demo was out Microsoft and Sony took this as a chance to cash in lots of money for the holiday season, and since it was being made with thier technology they were able to sue them if it wasn't released by Christmas and even though Sonic Team asked for a time exstention to complete the game they said no. Thus even though the game sold extremely well it was panned by most every critic out there.

[pkstarstorm1up]

@supermax110 Which is a real shame to because under all of the problems that this game does have you can easily tell that this game was planned to be the next Sonic Adventure game, it had lots of fun levels, loads of cool characters, nice graphics, incredible music, and the most epic storyline of all of the Sonic games so far. Oh and did I mention that all of the Amigo characters were orginally going to have there own seperate storylines as well? There was also a gameplay element where Sonic

[pkstarstorm1up]

@supermax110 would get faster and faster with the more rings he collected, but due to not having enough time to finish the game the way Sonic Team wanted to it was never fully implemented, Oh and the Mach Speed zones were alot more fun and they were easier to control, plus the homing attack was more like it is in Sonic Heroes but less buggy. Plus Tails Knuckles and Amy and Silver were going to be faster and Amy was going to have her Sonic Adventure moves as well as her invisibility.

[cjjtheone]

@pkstarstorm1up where are you getting ur info, i just need to know more about the productions. you sound like an employee lol.

also do you know of any GOOD sites where i can comunicate with sonic team regarding ideas?

im sure you understand that im a HUGE fan and want to participate in any noticable way possible.

wheres the best place for me?

[pkstarstorm1up]

@cjjtheone i just searched the web and I found it eventually, Well you could go to Sonic News Network.

[pkstarstorm1up]

@supermax110 Hopefully if they ever remake this game then they will make it how they always wanted it to be and then it will probably be praised as the greatest 3d Sonic game of all time since it has more playable characters then just Sonic and doesn't focus on just speed like Unleashed does.

[pkstarstorm1up]

Hopefully if they ever rerease the game like in Adventure DX and Adventure 2 batte, they will have enough time to make the gamplay and graphics look exactly like this plus adding the Sonic Boost in. That would be so awesome and I bet people would love the game then.

[pkstarstorm1up]

Man Sonic really looks awesome tall and long:D

[ksmuffin]

Sonic 06 would've been good if they modeled it like SA2. No bullcrap, just Sonic running through stages. I hated the hub worlds in STH, the loading times were terrible..

[pkstarstorm1up]

@ksmuffin How could anyone hate Hub worlds!? They bring more life and realism into games!

[ksmuffin]

@pkstarstorm1up The load times were awful, that's the only reason I hated it. I dont know about you, but I play games to "escape" reality, I don't really care how real the game is as long as it's entertaining. I mean come on.. you're playing as a talking hedgehog wearing shoes, I don't think realism is on Sonic Team's goal list right now lol..

[pkstarstorm1up]

@ksmuffin The game was entertaining. Besides, hub worlds are very fun to explore.

[SONICBOYREBORN234]

@pkstarstorm1up If they are done right, like in Unleashed, SA1 and the upcoming Generations.

[SonicKillMario]

this must have been played on a dev kit because it is a lot faster and the animations are a lot smoother

[AzukaraMegaDriver]

@SonicKillMario That's true, it was done on a dev kit. That's why mostly everything looked so good back in the day. Supposedly they had to try to port everything over to Nextgen in disc form but the RAM couldn't process it without that so supposedly they had to remove everything else. They were also supposedly using a stable, yet broken copy of the game while an unstable but WAYY more finished and revised engine stayed in the corner.

This is all rumor though. Not surprised if it's true tho.

[SonicKillMario]

@AzukaraMegaDriver oh and great job on the new Sonic Freerunner

[AzukaraMegaDriver]

@SonicKillMario thanks =D

[JonySsj]

@AzukaraMegaDriver It think it was because microsoft and Sonic decided to sega release this game faster.

[EdwinShy2]

Why did Sega screw this game up ?!

[supermax110]

@EdwinShy2 SEGA DIDNT screw it up. Sony & Microsoft, and also fans did.

They pressured Sega.

[AzukaraMegaDriver]

@supermax110 Honestly, the game would have still somewhat sucked one way or another. An incredibly screwed up Spindash, the physics would've still been wonky (because they didn't build the engine with said physics firsthand), and the story would have still been trash.

Better homing attack, grinding, and general movement is good and all but honestly it still wouldn't have been an AMAZING game.

Now, if they stayed like THIS build.. then we're going places.

[supermax110]

@AzukaraMegaDriver Hm, who knows? The spindash could of been fixed, the physics might of been done properly, and the story could of been um, redone. Well, Idk

They might re-release this game so it could how fans expected.

This still might look better than the real game if they DID fix everything. Maybe. :P

[AzukaraMegaDriver]

@supermax110 True. This, at the time, was nothing less of impressing, and at the time everybody thought it was going to be epic. There are simple reasons as to why. Just watching the video gives you a more awesome vibe than the final version ever did.

[LightSpeedBlast]

The XBOX LIVE demo wasn't as good as the final product, more bugs and Sonic is slower. This demo right there looks really cool, it has killer speed for grinding and dash panels. Sonic could have been way fast at default speed, but I'm sure that would have been fix'd for the product had Naka still be involv'd, as well as how the overall framerate here. The day/night physics here were a must and these graphics here are cooler. The E3 demo seems better than the final product. gh

[HoggerTheHedgehog]

Sun*

[HoggerTheHedgehog]

How come the dun goes down here???

[AzukaraMegaDriver]

They have a debug mode set up where the programmers can edit the time of day automatically.

[HoggerTheHedgehog]

@AzukaraMegaDriver

but does the sun go down in the real game also?

[AzukaraMegaDriver]

Not in the final game, it doesn't. I think the whole "time changing" concept was saved for a later date (think Sonic Unleashed), although not in-game of course.

[HoggerTheHedgehog]

@AzukaraMegaDriver

Okay. So, and what about the demo that was downloadable? Does that have a time change from day to night?

[AzukaraMegaDriver]

Sadly, it doesn't. I wish it did though. Although I haven't gotten a copy of the demo yet. I'd like to, since I hear that in it Sonic is slightly faster and his Homing Attack doesn't work like crap. In other words, I heard the demo is better than the final game, which is pretty bad to say the least. =P

[HoggerTheHedgehog]

@AzukaraMegaDriver

heh yeah, I also heard the demo was better than the original game..Unfortunately, I can't find it anymore..

[craztax]

I have played the demo, and I thought it was considerably worse. The controls were VERY loose by comparison, and thats saying something. Also, it seemed to be a little more buggy. I guess it won't hurt for you to try though, since demos are free.

[lumo93]

if someone was to take this game, take it apart completely, cjange a few things, and put it back together, it would be better than this, allthough some parts of this one are fun, mainly mach speed.

[lumo93]

and I mean the final product

[dean979]

why almost everything is slow in the 2005 demo?

[AzukaraMegaDriver]

What Retrozim said: everything was lagging. However, that's sorta hard for me to believe since Sonic's animations and such were so fluid in that video. IDK, maybe Sonic was just super-floaty when they first started this game? =P On second thought, that is rather intriguing since the final game had such heavy gravity.

[retrozim]

Ah...I know why the quality dropped so drastically. Look at the framerate. Any time something halfway interesting or good-looking happens, it drops terribly low.

[nazothedragon]

this demoversion looks better than the real sonic 06

[AzukaraMegaDriver]

Yeah, it does by a LONG shot. lol

[GoldMetalSonic]

@nazothedragon

You're not kidding.

The day/night cycle, the MODEL looks different, the animations seem a bit smoother.

It fucking boggles my mind that the TGS Demo seems to be better than the actual game itself.

[myke336]

@nazothedragon yeah this and the xbl demo released on the marketplace for this had a better play build.

[michaelcat41]

wtf is wrong with u?

[michaelcat41]

noob why cuz i dont like the game

[retrozim]

There is something wrong with you for liking this game. Speak with ya back on the chat ;)

[chaosmasterism]

@Sonic4K6 What do you think of the 2005 build?

[Sonic4K6]

@chaosmasterism

It looks much better than the final game. I wish they had kept the day/night system in the game... along with those extra homing flips.

[pkstarstorm1up]

@Sonic4K6 extra homing flips? This version of the beta doesn't have extra flips. That would be the 2006 Beta demo.

[AzukaraMegaDriver]

Dude, it's his opinion, cut him some lack, ok? =\

Sure, I'm not really a fan of how Nextgen came out either (as you can tell) but I respect the guy's thoughts. Chill, alright?

[SkiLLusHi]

Wow...