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  • I removed the last statement because although I strongly believe in a vibrant and active marketplace of ideas (regardless of whether I agree with them or not) - when one's only retort is simple minded vulgarity not only are there no longer ideas present in the discussion but there is a need to step in a remind everyone of the value for some civility and if one wishes to just spout such item they are free to do it somewhere else. I did not ban the user so he can rejoin the debate with civility

  • Interesting time...

  • Extreme

  • The REAL story of the Weathermen is that they were funded by the ROCKEFELLERS for the express purpose of demonizing the social demonstrator movement.

    FUCK ALL FAKE REVOLUTIONARY CONTROLLED OPPOSITION SHILLS.

  • The Weather Underground, like the SLA were really never more powerful than a street gang. Their greatest attack backfired (the greenwitch village) bomb factory that killed one pf their own accidentally. They weren't al-Quada or the Mob or anything. The media and this guy whipped them up so that right wingers could get elected in droves in the 70s. The RAF in Germany was a real commie threat and caused tons of ruined lives (including their own) and lasted until '98! The WU were always a joke!

  • why the bombing! a bunch of rich white brats "fighting a cause that didnt affect them

  • @southernbrooklyngal Watch Operation Gladio and you'll understand how the rich do their dirty deeds.

  • @MrSammo1 Yeah, this Grathwohl guy was NOT a real member of the WU as this documentary says. He was an informat for the police meant to infiltrate them. The SLA and also the black US organization were also thought to be gov't fronts meant to 'cause trouble and blame the crap on the Left. You are right. This is just like Gladio. The FEDs even used their own Secret Army Organization right wing group led by Godfrey to wreak havok. CIA Operation Chaos & FBI Cointelpro = European Galdio!

  • @farcher3 You are correct!

    Since you are obviously a curious person I'd like to suggest that you watch Alan Watts - Money.

    It's important to realize how easy it is for the few to enslave the masses.

  • @southernbrooklyngal The million-dollar question is why does an average criminal today who is released from jail have difficulty getting a minimum wage job while Bill Ayers, a bomber and terrorist, can become a distinguished professor at an American university. Completely asinine.

  • @hairbandfan1967 well said, almost all of them are working at universities, why do people idolize these people

  • @hairbandfan1967 great point!

  • @hairbandfan1967

    And the "million-dollar answer" to the question of why an average ex-convict today has difficulty getting a minimum wage job, is that the system Ayers wanted to destroy, makes it so. The same system that locks them up.

  • @drizztf88 Not quite. Reason being is that he would not fight to destroy a system that has obviously benefited him.

  • @hairbandfan1967

    I don't get it. If someone, in some point of their life, benefit fom the system, they have no reason to oppose it? That is certainly not true.

  • @drizztf88 It is called being an opportunist. If Ayers was a true believer in his cause, he would not take advantage of the perks that the system he opposes, gives him. He is being untrue to his purported ideology and that makes him a textbook hypocrite.

  • @hairbandfan1967 Where do you find these thing? Of course a revolutionary should take advantage of every perk the system gives them and try to use them against the system itself, without having to explain themselves to the system's apologists.

    There is also the possibilty that someone changes their views.(I don't know if that is true about ayers, I don't really know stuff about him).

  • @hairbandfan1967 maybe because ayers was on the side of stopping a govt that was murdering millions of innocent people.

  • @13stevejohnson ...and Ayers sought to do this by murdering more people with his bombs. Really great logic there.

  • @hairbandfan1967 yeah, he was reacting towards tyrannical oppression, imperialism and racism. fuck off you right wing retard!

  • @13stevejohnson ...and you still have not refuted the fact that he had done so by killing people. Additionally, you are reacting like a typical liberal, i.e. when faced with logic that you cannot refute, you resort to ad hominem attacks.

  • @hairbandfan1967You're absolutely correct! A million dollars is way too low for this question. You just hit the nail on the proverbial head. Ayers and Dorhn have been embraced by the present far left of the Democratic Party which sadly includes the highest levels of the Obama administration. What we have here is a prime example of the upper class getting away with things the common working man wouldn't. I thought Socialism was pro working man.These two are frauds and the press ignores it

  • @hairbandfan1967 because hes an intelligent criminal, it takes drive and intelligence to learn how to make bombs and plan terrorist attacks, any moron can rob a convenience store, not a coincidence that morons cant find jobs and people with intelligence and drive can

  • Bill Ayers' wife Bernardine Dohrn celebrated the Manson murders by raising three fingers like a fork and gloating:

    "Dig it! First they killed those pigs, then they ate dinner in the same room with them. They even shoved a fork into the victim's stomach! Wild!"

  • Obama became part of them

  • the only other point I would like to make is....don't trust your government, the FBI, police or soldiers blindly....equally, don't trust anti-government or anti-war movements blindly...get as many facts as you can, then draw your own conclusions, act accordingly Sincerely: someone who has too much time on their hands today haha

  • @whiskeyshelf1, well I think most of us are smart enough not to trust our government and also smart enough to know that the weather underground were a bunch of violent mental patients.

  • and anyone that is completely "pro Weather Underground" needs to accept the truth that some of the members were inspired after the group's demise to commit more violent acts, includng bank robberies that killed people, which is a risk of having an organization commited to violence solutions..some members may have their own ideas of right and wrong secretly....but, I think each member has to be examined indiviually, as opposed to just labeling them all "terrorists" or "freedom fighters"

  • I'm not saying I'm completely for or against the Weather Underground, but let's use a little critical thinking to find the truth, and also remember the time period these acts were taking place...Vietnam was a horrible war, with innocent people getting killed with massive bombings, and political process/marches/demonstrations were doing nothing to bring it to an end..I certainly don't condone violence to combat violence, but calling Ayers a terrorist IMO is an exaggeration

  • I think that whether or not this agent's testimony is credible is debatable at best....why would a group take so much effort in planting bombs in a way that didn't hurt people (I'm talking after Terry Robbins, those individuals did want to hurt people, and it was very lucky that they only hurt themselves) only to say they would kill 25 million people afterwards? It makes no logical sense, and Cointelpro was created to have FBI go underground and make up lies to divide these anti-war movements

  • DEATH TO ALL COMMUNISTS

  • @TheFeralFury C'mon bud don't be as bad as them

  • This film is CRAP..... the "violence" that occurred under the Weather Underground was to property ONLY and not human beings. Violence perpetrated on the people that is apparently the only kind of "acceptable" violence is state-sponsored violence that destroys people AND property, indiscriminately!! The US govt. kills more civilians and destroys more property than any other govt. on the planet!!! This is right-wing propaganda at its WORST!! BP has killed more people than the W.U. ever did!

  • @spiritedemma the weathermen planned to eliminate up to 25 million Americans who couldn't be re-educated. peace and love huh. watch the video titled Larry Grathwohl on Ayers' plan for American re-education camps and the need to kill millions . this man was an undercover FBI agent while with the underground. the video i just referenced was on 60 minutes in the late 70's

  • @spiritedemma So policemen aren't "people"? You forgot the US is also the most charitable nation on the planet. Yeah, that's what I do when politics piss me off, I go break other people's stuff like the weather underground, then maybe somebody would listen to my political motives. Why defend them?

  • Dr. Martin Luther King had courage. He led a peaceful revolution in the face of real terror and imminent death. He never hurt anyone. Dignity and THE CONTENT OF HIS CHARACTER won.

    These W.U. megalomaniacs were high on acid and speed and killed people. The best they could do was to rob banks, blow up buildings and people and run like scaredy-cats. I have absolutely no respect for them whatsoever. None.

  • The world still needs change

  • @LuigiLadz it's been that way since the dawn of history, what else is new?? LOL!

  • I think this documentary is innacurate when it states that the DGI was controlled by the KGB. If you read "The World Was Going Our Way: the KGB in the 3rd World," it becomes clear that the KGB were very moderate and cautious, and unhappy with the adventurism of their DGI partners. The DGI had struck its own course of hemispheric liberation.

  • Communism with a mambo beat!

  • dohrn & ayers are scumbags

  • The weathermen, I wonder how many other foreign terrorist groups there are.

  • I have a feeling that the Weather Underground had a more substantial network with the Cubans who also hoped they could train them to recruit agents as well as set up terror cells. Of course I also suppose they were often disappointed with their recruit aspects as well.

  • These people are dangerous. They are in the White house! Why we are letting this happen is beyond me.. I write my congressmen and senate constantly.

    We the people have lost our voice, they refuse to listen to us.. We can't give up and we need to make our voices louder.

    Glenn Beck knows what we need to do.. Please go see what Glen has been telling us for over a few years, he said that this will happen and sure enough here we are, he warned us..

  • I was watching Glenn Beck, he was telling the viewrs even though the pretty much abandoned violent means to bring about a communist revolution, they decided to switch tactics using such methods as the 'Cloward & Piven method' & the 'Alinsky strategy.'

  • Why are these terrorists groups not in jail, or prison?

  • This man was an undercover pig...

  • @LeshaAnn

    The undercover operative is a hero. Ayers deserves to rot in prison before he rots in hell.

  • @pimpdalyrical - A legal system predicated on C. I.'s and co-defendants who got immunity is NOT a system that is ultimately solid nor sustainable. People will say absolutely ANYTHING to save their own skins, true or not.

  • @LeshaAnn

    Was that a question? No, I think it's a tool that works or we wouldn't still use it after all these years. You can't just let evil happen just because nobody is coming forward to rat it out. Sometimes you have to turn the screws and give an incentive. It's great to think we can count on man's good nature alone, but that ain't reality. I also wouldn't say CI's form the foundation of our legal system either.

  • @pimpdalyrical - No, I don't suppose they do; I get swept up in my own hyperbole sometimes...

  • Ayers Dhorn maggots parasites and federal criminals

  • Raytheon notifies the AMS what the chemtrail weather is gonna be...which explains a lot about why forecasts are so flippin' inaccurate.

  • They forgot to show Hillary Rodam (Maiden name) in Cuba as member of the Brigada Venceremos

  • @7:10 -- see the organization FALN? That's who Eric Holder, Obama Sec, General, under Clinton pardoned many FALN convicted terrorists. YOU, whoever you are that is reading this, are a complete f'ing moron if you think this, Obama's Marxist vile racist anti-American church and many other things are coincidences.

    We are being ruled by Marxists in the USA at this very moment. If we do nothing, our country is gone forever.

  • these Marxists are under a delusion. Even if they solidify the control they seek, their end will come. The Romanians removed their despot on Christmas morning by firing squad.... things will not go so pleasant for these Marxists if they keep pushing.

  • I hope you're right.

  • Don't skip your meds.

  • Grow up, kid.

  • Relax, kid.

  • Is it any wonder Real Americans are buying guns and ammo to defend their country and Constitution from these kind of people.

  • Hey if it happens I'll come down from Canada and help you guys out..I'll even bring beer...

  • @EasyEs

    Cheers! And I'll buy you one. Thanks for you support.

  • @Cornbreadressing Great comment. I am with you 100%.

  • @Cornbreadressing Yep. There's Real Americans and Non-Real Americans.

    Were you born in a tree? Throw poop at your friends? Drag your knuckles on the ground when you walk? Yep. You're a Real American alright: a Real American Dope. Cheers.

  • @bapyou Half-baked is right.

  • @hstryrepeats Andyou're a real Amuurrican, I suppose. A -hult, a-hult. Gawsh-durnit! "I'm a real Amuurricin and ain't nobody gunna tell me I aren't one!"

    _______

    "Patriotism is nothing more than the organized group interests of the privileged class." — Bakunin

  • @bapyou WOW Bakunin said, "Patriotism is nothing more than the organized group interests of the privileged class.", Then it must be true!! Just like when Groucho Marx told the doctor it only hurts when I laugh and the Doctor said "then don't laugh!" I hold both quotes to be equally important. . .

  • @xtaxplayer "I hold both quotes to be equally important. . ."

    ___

    I expect nothing less.

    ___

    The ideas contained within them, however, are not equal.

  • @bapyou That is were we part ways, I believe they ideas contained are the same. Both want the patient or rube to be blind to the happening UNTIL it is to late.

  • @bapyou To educate a Progressive monkey like you I would like to explain that a REAL AMERICAN believes in the Declaration of Independence and U.S.Constitution. Since it is obvious that you do not, you are by definition UN-AMERICAN. Got it now?

  • @Cornbreadressing I am one of these kinds of people, and I want you to know that these kinds of people were fighting for your freedom. These were the real freedom fighters of the most revolutionary period in modern American history, and deserve our respect and admiration.

  • @BBBoggs Quite simply, freedom is not being enslaved to the yolk of communism and the "greater good".

  • @stfraleigh You obviously have no idea what Communism is.

  • @BBBoggs who cares? It doesn't do shit. All these people are defeated. Case closed.

  • @MacoutesGabber I have evidence that they are still very active, they just turned themselves in to remove heat from the plan they are working today. Mark Rudd is here in Albuquerque and is now open about his new activities to organize...now we need to react, not after something happens.

  • @papacheeto05 but that's just it. They DID react, but not everybody wanted to do it the way they wanted.

  • @Cornbreadressing It's a vicious cycle. Whether we admit it or not everyone's perspective of what America should be may be different and it doesn't make any side wrong. Lefts see it one way; rights see it another. The reason why America is so SCREWED up is because each side can't accept the other side as valid. We, as humans, are so short-minded that we can't see past our own minds-- even when the other mind is just as valid and right.

  • @cuntrytrash It is not possible to have true freedom with leftists in control. They will take more and more power and money until you are a helpless slave. If you want to negotiate with such people, at least know what they intend for you. In their world, there are rules and serfs, period.

  • @ExZonie Rulers not rules. For the left, they ARE the rulers and they make all the RULES!

  • @Cornbreadressing One side may get violent in protest because they lost their rights to arm themselves. The other side may get violent because they have lost their rights to The Right to Redress of Grievances. In the end it all boils down to name calling. Typical human "one upmanship" BS.

  • I had friends who went to Cuba to cut sugarcane in the fields they had stolen from the farmers.

  • take your pills

  • You just put some one in the government that agrees with your cause?

    Could that be there logic in bringing down the government??

    I guess Jonnybandmember could give a care less what we really got ourselves into. But far left wind individual dont think straight anyway.

  • compassionate people do not kill.

  • The government kills, sometimes u have to draw the line

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