Steve Burnside in resident evil code verconia has to be the worst MAIN CHARACTER OF THE FRANCISE> he's so fucking annoying and only adds a crappy love story with claire! you tell me she like this fucking loser over leon!
however he was redeem with resident evil darkside chronicles. his voice was way better and generally not a annoying fucking little whining bitch.
steve in re code veronica is the jar jar binks of the franachise
I have to say I love him sounding like a Canadian on crack. Sorry if you're Canadian and take offense. Secondly, Alfred is not Alfred without his horrid voice acting D:
I cant beleive there are actually people who like Steve. I thought he was annoying and had a horrible voice. I only know him from RE: CV tho, other people seem to like him from some other RE thing that Ive never seen/played. Just listen to his whiny voice, steve is lame.
Why did they pick a Canadian?! "Hey! I said I was souwree." So whiny! Jeez, if I had played this one before The Darkside Chronicals on the Wii, I certainly wouldn't like him as much as I do.
Ah Voice acting issues again~ Even though it continues to happen today, some mistakes just can't be fixed. In my opinion, I like his voice from CV and I also go with this game being made back in the days when voice acting wasn't so great. As for my opinion on Dakrside Chronicles, the gameplay and graphics were spectacular, but they could have remained a bit on CV instead of rushing it, ESPECIALLY the scene where Steve dies. Anyways, yes, Steve's moronic in this game haha.
lmao,yeah Steve is really annoying. The way he says sorry makes me want to kill something. Putting up with him is more than worth it though with how awesome Claire is in this game. Thankfully,she doesn't look like a 10 year old anymore like in RE2.
Clair was a total bitch in this game, I haven't played it in years. But I still remember her having PMS. lol
I was hooked on RE back in '00 when I played the first one. At first I was really pissed they didn't stick to the original concept too, as much as I love running through zombie infested cities blowing their heads off with various weapons. I think it would have become quite monotonous over time. I just think of it as bringing something fresh to an already great series. just my opinion.
Steve is rumured to still be alive but its a RUMUR they said H.C.F. managed to collect his body to take samples of the T-Veronica virus. Albert Wesker told Chris that it might even be possible to revive Steve and maybe even see Claire again (Which made Claire enraged at Wesker for touching Steve's Body). but thats sorta how they brought wesker back so i belive he will comeback cuz capcom said maybe!
Dude guys first of all yes it blows that they changed the game around but u got to admit re5 and re4 r good games but every1 loved the old re's and im hoping that it could possibly be a cool game that is action shooter and has zombies not cannibals but it would be awesome to have the old Re's back
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claire is the sister of chris refield (resident evil 5). i have the game, in one scene chris watches a video were claire is in troubles. chris hasn.t seen her in a lot of time. resident evil 5 rocks.
I was drinking coca cola when I was watching this and when he said "I said I was sworry" I spat the coca cola everywere XD Steves got the most unique voice :3
-Are you kidding? Steve has the best voice next to Irving(he was the only reason RE5 was almost passable) Steve Burnside is one of the coolest characters and his voice sucks in DC which stinks.
the fact that you consider RE5 a Resident evil game at all is disturbing. RE5 had no soul it was not even a game...go in a straight path; point A to point B then you are done. The way the levels were not connected was terrible. Its now an bad action game. It was way too easy. You could never run out of bullets, were's the fear in that. No puzzles. No horror, no fun, royaly F* up the story. The original creator left cause he knew they were ruining his masterpiece that is Resident evil.
i agree with you in terms of it not being a good horror game. i was very dissaponted when i realized that re5 didn't scare me at all. but it was still a great action game. i mean of course it wasn't like the old resident evil games that will have your heart beating rapidly. but re5 was alot like re4 and i never knew the creator of resident evil left. thats shocking
RE4 was a good game,but the problem with it was it did away with everything that made the earlier games great. Shinji Mikami never wanted the series to go in the direction he did. Once he got a chance to write and direct a new game (RE4) he used that oppurtunity to trash the work everyone else put in the series. Mikami is a talented game designer, but he has an ego problem I think. RE4 bore virtually no similarities to the rest of the series. RE4 was more like a side story than a main one.
First of all, shut the fuck up, you pathetic waste of breath.
Second of all, you're not a real RE fan. It's blatantly obvious that you were introduced to the series in either 4 or 5, considering that they totally strayed away from the classic RE and make no sense when compared to the originals.
Please actually think before you fucking type. Remember that this is on a CV video, which is, a REAL RE game
first of all you shut da fuk up kid. you think every resident evil game is supposed to be the same? resident evil 5 felt alot like an action game but atleast you can interact with the enviornment instead of just running around a zombie infested city with a mere handgun. Resident evil 4 did a great job and scared the hell outa me. some people love it some people hate it now shut up and get over it. btw im not wasting my breath but i am wasting my time with a kid like you!
actually it's possible... you can get your private pilot's license by the age of 14 and i'm sure after about 3 years of training you could get your commercial license also.. Just takes a load of money to do it.
Well you probably won't be able to actually hold a commercial license but you can very well be trained to fly jets at they age of 17 you'd just have to wait till 18 before you can hold it.
Wow, has anybody noticed Steve's necklace? Battle Royale, it really goes along with it, not to mention being trapped on an island with things that want to kill you
Very cool at parts. He starts out annoying but eventually save Claire a lot and is one of the only characters to have a romantic relationship with another character.
An official one. I guess that's cuz Claire and Steve, are the youngest, and not involved with eachother professionally. Like Chris/Jill you always have the question if it's just cuz their partners. Ada/Leon well, we're nto sure if Ada gives a shit. Rebecca/Billy is just a different realtionship in the first place, and they might strictly think of eachother as partners. Steve and Claire are the only ones to officially like eachother in a romantic sense.
True, but he does have his extremely annoying parts. I have a hate/love realtionship with him. He has so much potential to be a great character, but the voice acting and bad lines just ruin it. Maybe in his next game(honestly Steve isn't dead, they never kill anyone in this series plus Wesker said that he had him...though he's dead now) he'll have grown up a bit, and the greatly improved voice acting will play to his advantage.
I kinda wished they got someone with a lower more grown-up voice. But w/e. Steve is pretty awesome and Claire is the hottest women of the series. *drools*
ok, frecklesislegend, anything important happens after that? do you mean the middle statue? here's another question: what's the deal with piano in that room with the balcony in that place after the submarine?
It is that Steve is such a cutie but that sound in the beginning "Wheelele don't shoot" just is so stoopid XD But Steve just is soo.... CUTE.. Too bad he dies
I just don't get it - why does everyone hate his voice? He sounds kind of stupid at certain points, but otherwise I thought his voice was pretty good. Steve is my favorite character - I seem to like underrated or lesser known things.
he is in re6
AdaxxLeon 2 weeks ago
Steve Burnside in resident evil code verconia has to be the worst MAIN CHARACTER OF THE FRANCISE> he's so fucking annoying and only adds a crappy love story with claire! you tell me she like this fucking loser over leon!
however he was redeem with resident evil darkside chronicles. his voice was way better and generally not a annoying fucking little whining bitch.
steve in re code veronica is the jar jar binks of the franachise
sorry nerd rant over
blueeyeatog 2 weeks ago
@blueeyeatog Claire ISN'T and shouldn't be a couple with Leon.They are more like brother and sister...(Even though she already has a brother)...
Gameshunter3012 2 weeks ago
STOP SAYING SORRY YOU CANADIAN.
CorvoSol 1 month ago
I have to say I love him sounding like a Canadian on crack. Sorry if you're Canadian and take offense. Secondly, Alfred is not Alfred without his horrid voice acting D:
Zis4Zorro 2 months ago
I cant beleive there are actually people who like Steve. I thought he was annoying and had a horrible voice. I only know him from RE: CV tho, other people seem to like him from some other RE thing that Ive never seen/played. Just listen to his whiny voice, steve is lame.
snoochyboochies22 6 months ago
@snoochyboochies22 Steve is WAY better in RE: Darkside Chronicles. His voice is WAY better and he is very very humorous. He's so awesome!
xHelloTrini 3 months ago
"Relax beautiful. I said i was soooooooooooory." i love steve. xD
ailiedropdead 6 months ago 2
"Relax Beautiful. I said I was soory" Steve is so cute^.^
Xx90BellaXL90Xx 6 months ago 2
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cloudtheavenger 7 months ago
first result for "canadian voice"
ceonotaph 11 months ago
Steve is sooo sweet xD
FFDBahamot 11 months ago
Which resident evil is this?
jerry94123 1 year ago
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Code: Veronica. For the PS2 version it is: Code: Veronica X.
xLoyalxStarx 5 months ago
please do make me steve very angry
proller123 1 year ago
Steve is the best, Leon is shit
ClaireValkyrie 1 year ago 4
@ClaireValkyrie HAhahaha
USAForLife2057 1 year ago
Why did they pick a Canadian?! "Hey! I said I was souwree." So whiny! Jeez, if I had played this one before The Darkside Chronicals on the Wii, I certainly wouldn't like him as much as I do.
Or at all.
OfficialTheresaCrall 1 year ago
@OfficialTheresaCrall Why does it even matter where he from? smh.
macnastee 1 year ago
@macnastee Just weird.
OfficialTheresaCrall 1 year ago
@OfficialTheresaCrall Lol That's ur response? lol
macnastee 1 year ago
@macnastee :D Yes.
OfficialTheresaCrall 1 year ago
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Fuck that, Steve was awesome!
I wanted to cry when he died. ;_; ( i think i might've)
and strangely enough, I prefer his voice-acting here compared to REDC. I dunno, the accent kinda grows on you I guess.
and, consdering he's 16?17?, I don't think its weird he "sounds like a kid". He kinda still is.
Plus, him hitting on Claire was only annoying for a little while. :3
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LolitaLush 1 year ago
his looks is not bad but his voice?? wtf??? like kid !!
he just looks like leon but i think leon now takes over the coolness!
MrXamenyap 1 year ago 2
@MrXamenyap he is a kid...he's just 16
girl4433 1 year ago
soory
Postwarchives 1 year ago
worst resident evil character
Solidsnake0231 1 year ago
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Solidsnake0231 1 year ago
steve was hitting too much on claire that it was getting annoying. he reminded me of ashley from re4.
susberg50 1 year ago
@susberg50 Not even close. At least Steve defends himself. >> Unlike Ashley whose an idiot.
AkemiKae 1 year ago
he has a really cool voice it reminds me of someone from a game series
neocomic22 1 year ago
Steve Burnside is like the Wesley Crusher or Adoring Fan of the Resident Evil world.
A pointless stupid character I'm glad they killed him off.
AgentGrady 1 year ago
claire is just badass and steve was a noob. he was a wimp.
missvioleta1000 1 year ago
Steve is the lovechild of Leonardo DiCaprio and Edward Furlong from Terminator 2
9mmPrince 1 year ago
I think Steve is one of the best characters in the series. And his voice isn't too good (But not horrible0, but his character development is great.
ilKaorili 1 year ago
it's sad that claire likes this moron
wwefantic7 1 year ago
wow haha he has a funny voice i pictured it more like leon's
sesshylover24 1 year ago
Ah Voice acting issues again~ Even though it continues to happen today, some mistakes just can't be fixed. In my opinion, I like his voice from CV and I also go with this game being made back in the days when voice acting wasn't so great. As for my opinion on Dakrside Chronicles, the gameplay and graphics were spectacular, but they could have remained a bit on CV instead of rushing it, ESPECIALLY the scene where Steve dies. Anyways, yes, Steve's moronic in this game haha.
DarkMSOS 1 year ago
why the hell is Clarie still alive when his 40
darkmistress24 1 year ago
lmao,yeah Steve is really annoying. The way he says sorry makes me want to kill something. Putting up with him is more than worth it though with how awesome Claire is in this game. Thankfully,she doesn't look like a 10 year old anymore like in RE2.
SadisticHero 1 year ago
"surry" shut up Steve
KenzieKaddl 1 year ago
Please read the novel, it fucking rocks!
barthramone 1 year ago
"Uh, surry about that little misunderstanding" "No I'm Claire *no pause* CLAIRE Redfield." ahh, the voice actors were great in this game...
Sarahvalasco 1 year ago 2
this was a good game but i hate claires attitude. shes such an ass but like all chill with leon and steve needs to get some testosterone..
TheLastKittkat 1 year ago
Clair was a total bitch in this game, I haven't played it in years. But I still remember her having PMS. lol
I was hooked on RE back in '00 when I played the first one. At first I was really pissed they didn't stick to the original concept too, as much as I love running through zombie infested cities blowing their heads off with various weapons. I think it would have become quite monotonous over time. I just think of it as bringing something fresh to an already great series. just my opinion.
HotKukuro 1 year ago
Steve is rumured to still be alive but its a RUMUR they said H.C.F. managed to collect his body to take samples of the T-Veronica virus. Albert Wesker told Chris that it might even be possible to revive Steve and maybe even see Claire again (Which made Claire enraged at Wesker for touching Steve's Body). but thats sorta how they brought wesker back so i belive he will comeback cuz capcom said maybe!
Hotshot1231000 1 year ago
Fcking dub >>
ANormalGuy 2 years ago
He sounds like a canadian on crack.
IgnosticView101 2 years ago
Dude guys first of all yes it blows that they changed the game around but u got to admit re5 and re4 r good games but every1 loved the old re's and im hoping that it could possibly be a cool game that is action shooter and has zombies not cannibals but it would be awesome to have the old Re's back
44darklink 2 years ago
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ahhhh this guy a another version of justin bieber gawd
usuckmoron 2 years ago
lmao i hate that kid
JoannaDark2 2 years ago
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claire is the sister of chris refield (resident evil 5). i have the game, in one scene chris watches a video were claire is in troubles. chris hasn.t seen her in a lot of time. resident evil 5 rocks.
gamerzone360 2 years ago
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Claire is mine, fools.
Mwuahahahahahahahaha 2 years ago
Lolz! Look How Claire Redfield Walk Her Butt
0:07
MaykelKapersky 2 years ago
This is just a game , FUCK THE VOICE ... We want to see it's charcter's personality
RESteve4ever 2 years ago
I was drinking coca cola when I was watching this and when he said "I said I was sworry" I spat the coca cola everywere XD Steves got the most unique voice :3
chi606 2 years ago
"I'm sworry Claire"
-Are you kidding? Steve has the best voice next to Irving(he was the only reason RE5 was almost passable) Steve Burnside is one of the coolest characters and his voice sucks in DC which stinks.
NassaDane 2 years ago 2
Hmmm,,,, Steve's Voice Is Cool! Like A Skater Boy!
MaykelKapersky 2 years ago 5
re5 almost passable? re5 was one of the top re games
goodies4sure 2 years ago
the fact that you consider RE5 a Resident evil game at all is disturbing. RE5 had no soul it was not even a game...go in a straight path; point A to point B then you are done. The way the levels were not connected was terrible. Its now an bad action game. It was way too easy. You could never run out of bullets, were's the fear in that. No puzzles. No horror, no fun, royaly F* up the story. The original creator left cause he knew they were ruining his masterpiece that is Resident evil.
NassaDane 2 years ago
i agree with you in terms of it not being a good horror game. i was very dissaponted when i realized that re5 didn't scare me at all. but it was still a great action game. i mean of course it wasn't like the old resident evil games that will have your heart beating rapidly. but re5 was alot like re4 and i never knew the creator of resident evil left. thats shocking
goodies4sure 2 years ago
@NassaDane I agree with you entirely. I think 4 and 5 were great, but I can't consider them part of the series.
I grew up watching my bro play 2 countless times, and then CV, and then the Remake and 0.
I can't believe they took this classic survival horror and made it into a fucking shooter.
Shameless, really.
FreaketteProductions 2 years ago
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RE4 was a good game,but the problem with it was it did away with everything that made the earlier games great. Shinji Mikami never wanted the series to go in the direction he did. Once he got a chance to write and direct a new game (RE4) he used that oppurtunity to trash the work everyone else put in the series. Mikami is a talented game designer, but he has an ego problem I think. RE4 bore virtually no similarities to the rest of the series. RE4 was more like a side story than a main one.
LordMalice6d9 2 years ago
First of all, shut the fuck up, you pathetic waste of breath.
Second of all, you're not a real RE fan. It's blatantly obvious that you were introduced to the series in either 4 or 5, considering that they totally strayed away from the classic RE and make no sense when compared to the originals.
Please actually think before you fucking type. Remember that this is on a CV video, which is, a REAL RE game
Go swallow a shot gun now, please.
FreaketteProductions 2 years ago
first of all you shut da fuk up kid. you think every resident evil game is supposed to be the same? resident evil 5 felt alot like an action game but atleast you can interact with the enviornment instead of just running around a zombie infested city with a mere handgun. Resident evil 4 did a great job and scared the hell outa me. some people love it some people hate it now shut up and get over it. btw im not wasting my breath but i am wasting my time with a kid like you!
goodies4sure 2 years ago
I was more scared of kooa troops from mario than anything from RE4 honestly.
Only thing semi scary from that game were the regenerators.
IgnosticView101 2 years ago
Ca-lear-uh lol i like steeve the crackhead canadian witrh lugers !!!
metalgeard222 2 years ago
his voice in darkside chonricles is SOOO much better. :D
xporcelainxvampirex 2 years ago
is that out yet
frogradar 2 years ago
steve is supposed to be 17 years old yet he doesn't talk like hes 17 and also i do not know any 17 year old who knows how to fly a jet
EstrangedPain89 2 years ago
actually it's possible... you can get your private pilot's license by the age of 14 and i'm sure after about 3 years of training you could get your commercial license also.. Just takes a load of money to do it.
addictedtamusic 2 years ago
Well you probably won't be able to actually hold a commercial license but you can very well be trained to fly jets at they age of 17 you'd just have to wait till 18 before you can hold it.
addictedtamusic 2 years ago
"Shutup!" Hehe, good job Claire.
johnnymonroe7373 2 years ago 7
Wow, has anybody noticed Steve's necklace? Battle Royale, it really goes along with it, not to mention being trapped on an island with things that want to kill you
AerithIsMyName 2 years ago
He sounds like a Canadian on crack.
Ghostdeadhunterlady 2 years ago
You r so right. Maube the person who played him WAS a canadian on crack! XD
meow12435 2 years ago
@meow12435 Or an american on crack.XD
macnastee 1 year ago
I kinda wished they'd bring him back as an evil infected character like Wesker...
He would make a Great Villan.
Juice4Productions 2 years ago 2
did anyone notice that Claire's kind of a bitch in Code Veronica?
luv4Aerith 3 years ago 17
Yeah XD
KillerWhales1951 2 years ago
lmao...yeah... but if ur trapped on a zombie infested island with this moron you wouldnt be kinda bitchy?
JoannaDark2 2 years ago 11
yeah lol good point... but I mean in Degeneration, she's actually pretty nice.
luv4Aerith 2 years ago
@JoannaDark2 First of all, you mean "wouldn't you be kinda bitchy." But you've got a point there.
Mk97709 4 months ago
yea i did XD
i maen i would be too if i was fighting zombies all the time. never escaping the nightmare.
FunnyFireLuv097 2 years ago
Steve is too amazing <3
xToboesxGirlx 3 years ago 2
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"You're not a zombie." No shit dumb ass. Steve was such a pointless character.
RavinBasob10 3 years ago
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I hated steve... Claire should have shot him in the head in that cutscene.
0Miraluna0 3 years ago
dude steave is hot and i love that moranish voice
wolfheart4000 3 years ago
I know he's kind of a dork. but I like him.
Juice4Productions 2 years ago
Anyone that hates Steve should play through all of Code Veronica, he's easily one of the coolest characters.
Feghoot 3 years ago 2
why is he cool in dere?
foolio002 3 years ago
Very cool at parts. He starts out annoying but eventually save Claire a lot and is one of the only characters to have a romantic relationship with another character.
Feghoot 3 years ago 3
An official one. I guess that's cuz Claire and Steve, are the youngest, and not involved with eachother professionally. Like Chris/Jill you always have the question if it's just cuz their partners. Ada/Leon well, we're nto sure if Ada gives a shit. Rebecca/Billy is just a different realtionship in the first place, and they might strictly think of eachother as partners. Steve and Claire are the only ones to officially like eachother in a romantic sense.
Razorglenn 3 years ago 4
And he saves her life.
Juice4Productions 2 years ago 2
True, but he does have his extremely annoying parts. I have a hate/love realtionship with him. He has so much potential to be a great character, but the voice acting and bad lines just ruin it. Maybe in his next game(honestly Steve isn't dead, they never kill anyone in this series plus Wesker said that he had him...though he's dead now) he'll have grown up a bit, and the greatly improved voice acting will play to his advantage.
Razorglenn 3 years ago 5
Yeah, I know what you mean.
I hope that he and Barry are in RE6. Capcom forgot about so many characters.
Feghoot 3 years ago 2
Last time we saw Barry he was the pilot XD it was one of those WTFZOMG moments. Yeah I want Barry's barriness back.
Razorglenn 3 years ago 2
COOL
foolio002 2 years ago
I kinda wished they got someone with a lower more grown-up voice. But w/e. Steve is pretty awesome and Claire is the hottest women of the series. *drools*
StlyeFree 3 years ago 2
he's only 17 ...XD
SolanaCloud 3 years ago 2
Steve is only 17 in CV?
how sure. Sorry I havent play yet but I love him.
JessicaChyme 3 years ago 2
@JessicaChyme
He's 17, yeah.
xLoyalxStarx 5 months ago
lol your description is so right XD
TheTutiS 3 years ago
soury loool
anjica123 3 years ago
Why do u guys hate Steve Burnside so much?
AmericanSpecOP 3 years ago 31
@AmericanSpecOP
maybe it's the voice acting... thank god it was changed in darkside chronicles... he sounded like Conker the Squirrel in CV
martooxxx 1 year ago
@AmericanSpecOP he was pretty annoying when we first played this
nocturned85 1 year ago
Aaaauuuhgod it's STEVE. D=
STOP YOUR MOUTH NOISES MAN.
Tranquilchan 3 years ago
ok, frecklesislegend, anything important happens after that? do you mean the middle statue? here's another question: what's the deal with piano in that room with the balcony in that place after the submarine?
nicole102090 3 years ago
what do you do about that room with the sword and the posion gas? plz, i need help with this game!!!!
nicole102090 3 years ago
steves got a smeeexy voice :P i'd like summa that ^^
xXxRinChanxXx 3 years ago
It is that Steve is such a cutie but that sound in the beginning "Wheelele don't shoot" just is so stoopid XD But Steve just is soo.... CUTE.. Too bad he dies
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steve is gay
tipodepapel 4 years ago
I'm sorry...
But I don't like his voice at all :(
Don't get mad at me...
It's just my opinion.
danielleburch9893 4 years ago 3
Steve is not dead. Ive explained it too many times. Ahahah.
CrownClownAlpha 4 years ago
i agree he sound stupid in something moments but he is a great caracter i dont know why he have to die
armaggeddon96 4 years ago 2
Hes still hot though...
:)
selty 4 years ago
lol Claire is so rude! "Sorry. I thought you were another one of those-" "SHUT UP! Make one wrong move and I kill you!"
thejuicer123 4 years ago 8
I just don't get it - why does everyone hate his voice? He sounds kind of stupid at certain points, but otherwise I thought his voice was pretty good. Steve is my favorite character - I seem to like underrated or lesser known things.
Sorin300 4 years ago 9
sometimes it sounds good but most of the time he really sounded pretty stoopid.
JoannaDark2 4 years ago
LoL Steve was awsome! his voice ruled XD sux that he died though... Hope he's in RE5!
UndeadLight 4 years ago
wee wee! don't shoot!! lol that word can't get out on my mind haahha
AthrunSEED 4 years ago
i love steve ^^ and i like his voice XD
AkaneArihyoshi89 4 years ago
True. His voice did get better through the game. ;) Steve rocks.
MsEdgely 4 years ago
I think he lives in a trailer park :p
mckools 4 years ago
what a lame voice
blackspidey925 4 years ago
buddy, just o let u kno tht lame voic actor is a personl trainer at the Y i go to, and he's like the coolest guy alive
mike345milk67 4 years ago
So Steve is a perverted moron barely going through puberty. Meh, at least he's hott. :3
marchingchick08 4 years ago 4
LOL! I so agree with you, sistah! XD
Medli 4 years ago
lol he sounds like a perv too "relax beautiful" and "claire, hmmm nice, ill remember that"
Purplerosesbeauty 4 years ago
steve sounds like hes going through puberty lol
Purplerosesbeauty 4 years ago
Steve ish teh sexorz! <3
kudasango 4 years ago
His voice sucks
FFWFreedomFighters 4 years ago 2