Scarborough Reacts to Good Friend Shadegg's Baby Prop Stunt: 'I Don't Know That Guy'

[cjm608]

and maddy when you grow up you can hate everyone except white people, and we will show you what god to believe in and if your real good and dont fall in love with a woman, we will give you a gun. yay! if i was maddy my first word would be democrat.

[ultimatenate]

All these stimulating comments about healthcare reform. The point of the video is that Shadegg is a fucking douchebag and needs to hire new handlers who can keep him from doing stupid shit like this.

[bigtexansfan]

Mattie wants you to shut the fuck up!

[asphyxiafeeling]

I just hope that beyond all the noise from the public and the media the senate is truly committed to bringing better health coverage to Americans. We need to be Number 1 again!

[437thx1138]

What a bunch of plastic people. Popular because the is nothing else on then I guess.

Mika how you've fallen.

[whoo689]

At least one Republican is disavowing himself of this nonsense.  Amen to Joe for standing up!

...Or he's just doing ye olde "I don't know him" trick so he's not humiliated by association.

[MISSBEBEBLUE]

PATHETIC!

[ubtri]

I don't give a flip what BABIES want OKAY?  I want single payer!

[Melpheos1er]

Lol even Scarborough is ashamed...

[KevinHallShow]

I wonder if Mattie also told him that selecting Palin as the VP was a good decision

[WKaliberr]

republicans rape babies

[Richardgwm]

The Republicans are so bereft of ideas, they are seeking policy advice from infants.

[steveoboston]

I guess the vote is in on health care.

Americans: yay

Inbreds, conspiracy nuts and infants: nay

[DemonicGemini]

using a baby your scum dude just scum

[PharaohNineD]

A baby he had with one of his staffers?

[Smartassawhip]

This was one of the finer moments in the debate. LOL What was he thinking?

Anyway... If you guys haven't signed the chairmanshop petition yet I have the link to it in my comment section. It is very important. Please take a moment to sign it and then pass it on to others. Thanks.

[shaven84]

fucking shameless

[Mernie9]

appropriate reaction from scarborough, imo

[PTurchan1]

I believe a democrat brought in two young children to bolster his argument. Correct me if I am wrong, please.

[Visfen]

Wont somebody PLEASE think of the children!?!!!

Awfull prop, but no worse than we've seen all over the place with sob stories of people that can't afford care. At least this time it is to symbolize what those who can't speak for themselves would say. Do you people really want your children to pay for your care? Really? Because that is what any gov. plan will ultimately do.

Shame on him for using a baby as a prop, but more shame on those that would use them to burden their debt on.

[balanceseeker]

Ummm... Actually is worse than the "sob stories of people that can't afford care," because the representative was putting words into a baby's mouth, words she likely couldn't understand, expressing opinions she doesn't even have. At least with the "sob stories" the "prop" is able to have (and actually has) the opinion being expressed.

The only opinion that baby seemed to have was the microphone looked like interesting.

[RodgersRevolution]

Sob stories? Please explain.

[Visfen]

Sob stories like taking out people who are denied care, which has to do with the fact that there is so little leway by the private industry due to mandates, and blaming it on private industry.

It's emoitional exploitation, of course we feel sorry for these people, but to force a solution that will only make it worse as the solution to a problem created by government involvement in the first place, is to brand the opposition as humane when they are only being sensible and intelligent.

[pokermaster54]

"s to brand the opposition as humane when they are only being sensible and intelligent."

The republican base is evangelical christians who think that the earth is 6000 years old and we are the offsprings of adam and eve. You're really going to defend your side as being "sensible and intelligent"? The level of irony and hypocrisy displayed by the republican party everyday is about to make my head explode.

[Visfen]

I'm not a republican, I'm a libertarian. Or actually, I am an anarchocapitalist.

Sorry, but the moronic right are right on this issue, but for all the wrong reasons.

Do you really care about party politics? Honestly? This is not a team sport, this is real life. I can't even tell the difference

[pokermaster54]

"Do you really care about party politics?"

This coming from a libertarian? I'm an independent. And you're an idiot for colluding with the right.

[Visfen]

I don't agree with the right at all, I want real reform, not just more government involvement.

Government do not solve problem, all government is is violence and coercion.

We need a free market system so it can be both voluntary and dynamic, where the consumer can control the supply. As soon as the government gets involved it distorts this process and create conditions which lead to shortages and price development.

The reason prices are going up is because government guarantees the poor...

[Visfen]

Okay, fair enough, using babies as props is worse than using sick people as prop, because at least the sick people can speak for themselves.

But I stand by my comment that somebody actually needs to speak for future generations, this bipartisan destruction of the dollar and the unloading of debt onto future generations has gone into overdrive. I for one did not think that "change" ment "Bush on steroids".

No matter what you think about socializing health care, the US can't afford it.

[greyflcn]

re: Visfen

==No matter what you think about socializing health care, the US can't afford it.==

How about I put that the other way.

US can't afford to maintain the status quo.

And every other country which does have a federal program, pays less, and gets better results.

So frankly, we can't afford not to.

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[Visfen]

Status quo will cost less that what more government involvement is. This is worsening the problem. The problem with the helath care system is government mandates, state mandates especially, being in such an abundance that it is a regulated utility by now.

Comparissions between countries are useless since in countries like mine, Sweden, we have price control

The problem with the system today is affordibility, which you solve by free market price competition, or in effect, health savings account

[greyflcn]

re: Visfren Private price overhead? 30% Public price overhead? 6% greyfalcon. net/ overhead2 Size of bureaucracies? Private over 10x larger than Public. greyfalcon. net/ overhead.png Private profit margin increase in the past 10 years? 400% greyfalcon. net/ overhead3 The "Problem" has nothing to do with Costs. The "Problem" is Prices. Which is rather hard for a private market to correct when consumers only have limited leverage. greyfalcon. net/ healthcare2

[Visfen]

Problem with "profit" (moronic statement really, if you say that you don't understand resource allocation) is a lack of competition in the market due to over extensive government involvement.

Profit margin has not increased by several hundred percent, what has increased is the profit itself, which is not a margin.

There are no private bureaucraciesas they can only be by the state. There are however adminsitrative cost which is a result good service or regulation (hint, it's the latter)

[greyflcn]

re: Visfen

The problem with "profit" is that if we are comparing a for-profit, versus a non-profit. Then profit is a defacto part of their price overhead.

From the consumers perspective, the company with the lowest price overhead is the most efficient.

And that's why I stress that the issue is NOT about Costs.

It's all about Prices.

[Visfen]

Do you know what profit is for in the market place? It tells investors where there are worthwhile to do investments, but because of the governments involvement heavily regulating health care as a utility nobody was to increase the supply. Without profit we have no process that can measure overall efficiency and we are bound to continue projects with ever expanding costs, which we have now! That is the reason costs are going up.

You solve it by competition, government don't compete.

[Visfen]

What will happen when you move over to a government program now is that you might be able to remove the profit margin and the administrative cost, and any expenditure on legal or marketing (because the government never follows its' own laws, it can just change them, and what is the point in marketing when you are guaranteed a market share determined by people writing the laws). And it will stay that way for a couple of years, until the system dissolves, which it is doing all over the world.

[greyflcn]

re: Visfen

You do realize that if we're talking insurance.

The world's largest insurance company is AIG.

Last I checked, they are a private company.

And once again, the issue isn't costs. The issue is prices.

And if you REALLY want to argue what's keeping up the price of prescription drugs for instance.

Canada and other countries keep it down, through economies of scale demand side bargaining.

What keeps it high otherwise, is the existence of patents.

Are you willing to abolish patents?

[Visfen]

No, we're talking about the health care system, the only reason it is so dependent on insurance is the tax code.

No, the issue is cost. Cost have been rising for more than 30 years now. While in the early 20th century they were going down, now they are going up. Pricing is not the issue.

Prescription drugs? Duh, the FDA.

Other countries use price fixing! and they have other standards before a drug is released on the market. The US actually has the highest mandate as it is to date.

[greyflcn]

re: Visfen

So you're saying other developed countries don't have government drug safety commissions?

And that's why they pay so much less?

_

And you call it "price fixing", however I call it economies of scale on the demand side of the market.

How is it that only economies of scale on the supply side of the market is valid, in your view?

[Visfen]

No, I'm telling you that other countries don't have as high standards.

It all started in the US during the 70s(?) when there were some kind of prenatal vitamins/shots that ended up making the children be born with genetic defficiencies. Since then it has been very rigorous. In fact, too.

Frankly, you don't need it at all, if people want to take untested medicine they should be able to. Now the government denies millions of dying people that opportunity.

[Visfen]

Supply side? Don't tell me you're one of those morons that politically categorize market understanding after supply or demand sides? I'm an anarchocapitalist, of course I'm an Austrian.

Government mandated prices have nothing to do with economics of scale, and understanding of economics of scale in this case would lead us to decrease government involvement to open up for competition. Not set more mandates that will ultimately implode the system by removing market forces from it.

[greyflcn]

re: Visfen

Well, for the sake of argument.

Are you familiar with how the Swiss healthcare system functions?

I mention this, because asside from regulations, it's an entirely private healthcare system.

[Visfen]

Yes, I am familiar with the Swiss system, it is the best in Europe.

They basically have a system where health insurance is like car insurance so you have to pay your due way.

But the US is not Switzerland, and this is not a reform like what they had, unless there are 100 000 pages removing mandates and regulation over the private industry, as well as allowing for opt out of public option with tax cuts.

[greyflcn]

@Visfen

Kind of an odd comment regarding Switzerland.

Considering they have

1. An insurance mandate

2. Highly regulated the lowest tier barebones insurance plans

3. Don't allow pre-existing conditions

Oddly, I would say this bill once it passes through the Senate, will most likely highly resemble the Swiss system.

[Visfen]

But everything wrong with Switzerland is what you just took up. Though it is still the most privatized in Europe.

You don't improve a system by making it worse.

Insurance should not be mandated it removes the choice of saving, regulation makes the market more inelastic, and when you don't disallow someone from an insurance because of pre-exsiting conditions you spike the rates for everyone else.

I could see the point in genetic discrimination being outlawed, but not in life style choices.

[Visfen]

Of course I am willing to abolish patents, the idea that you are to receive a government guaranteed monopoly on a product just because you know a guy at the patent office or in the government, or maybe you're just the first to discover it is ridiculous, it has nothing to do with a free market system. It is put in place because when the government started taxing businesses heavier they found that businesses spent less money on research.

Government should get out of everything.

[greyflcn]

re: Visfen

Oh, and HSA's which are basically the same as paying out of pocket, but with a tax exemption, don't really work either.

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Except of course for the inexpensive stuff.

However that's only a tiny fraction of overall healthcare prices.

[Visfen]

HSA works for everything. Insurance is actually completely irrational, the only way to win in such a system is to be very unhealthy and pay too less, whereas the cost is shifted onto somebody else. Assuming insurers have perfect information everyone would pay more into such a system than they receieve.

Insurance doesn't solve the problem with high cost medical care, but savings actually do because you get ROI and reduced cost because of price competition.

[greyflcn]

re: Visfen

As mentioned in that article I mentioned.

The ROI is weaker than a standard savings account.

And the "Reduced Cost" thing is fake, because the Costs aren't reduced.

And I highly doubt the Prices would be reduced either, except for low price things that would be paid for as deductibles anyways.

[Visfen]

If you don't understand how costs are reduced when you open incentive for developing products for the unwealthy then you lack a clear understanding in market forces. We want a system where you "get what you pay for" so we can have different qualities of care, this is because we want there to be competition in cost efficiency for people who are poor as well. That is not the case today because there are mandates on qualities and the government insures the poor.

Prices is never a problem.

[Visfen]

ROI is entirely dependent on where you invest the money, the problem is that stocks in the US are not rising so if you invest there you will just lose money month after month as the dollar is slowly unhinched from the world as a reserve currency.

But if you diversify into inflation hedges you would not only be able to afford better care, you will actually be able to retire, which most people wont.

Point is, it all depends.

Sadly, you don't seem to understand the free market system.

[aquamadman]

and if you are from sweden asshole were the fuck do you get off saying you dont want to pay for my irresponsibility?? you dont!!! unless you are a lying sack of shit and are really from the US and just lying(badly, i might add) to sell your lame ass party's ideas to further fuck this country. which is it??

[Visfen]

Because you're irresponsible.

I might give you some money just out of charity, but any illusion of that has gone out the window with your childish attitude and your sense of entitlement. Grow up.

Both parties are fucking up the country you moron, you just wait and see, we have China, India and Russia talking about a new reserve currency, if that goes trough what you've seen so far in this depression would have been nothing.

Just remember this when it happens in a few years.

[aquamadman]

i know you are just a fucking troll as sweden has an entirely government based healthcare system,you have price control because your government pays for it!! so why the fuck are you argueing against the US getting healthcare like yours? sack of shit. shut the fuck up.

[Visfen]

Yes, and this health care system suck balls. You get told things like "oh, you need to see an ear specialist about being half deaf which you haven't been able to do for 22 years, you need to tell them you have acute pain in the ear you have hearing on, then maybe you will get service".

I don't want the US system, I want a free market system, you have even heavier regulation on private insurance in the US than we have in Sweden. Which should tell you somehting.

You stfu, moron.

[aquamadman]

sucks balls??? sweden is ranked 23 for healthcare, well above that of the US! in addition sweden has one of the highest ratings among its own citizenry almost 80% of swedes like their healthcare system! you MUST be a troll for the insurance cos or just another lying nonothing repugnate.

[Visfen]

Ranked 23rd according to the WHO which survey includes things that are incredibly irrelevant, such as costs and/or longlivity.

The main reasons we live longer in Sweden is because we have better genetic outset and we don't eat ourselves to death, that has very little to do with health care.

Fact is that the US ranks first in almost everything when it comes to health care RESULTS. Because a private system will always provide better care to those who afford it.

My countrymen are morons.

[greyflcn]

re: Visfen

Nope, when it comes to healthcare results, the top ranking countries are Japan, Sweden, Canada, Norway and Australia.

[Visfen]

What the hell kind of results are you measuring then?

You're sure as hell not talking about cancer survival rates, about surgery survival percentage or anything to that extent.

You're probably talking about longelivity or something to that extent.

Maybe, just maybe, you're talking about infant mortality which is very diverted because the US has the best pre-natal care, where you deliver babies that otherwise never would have been born.

Other than that, you're simply just lying.

[greyflcn]

re: Visfen

The cancer survival rate's you're quoting and specifically breast and colon cancer. Which are easily survivable cancers.

And in effect, is merely cherry picking a few small areas where US has slightly higher numbers.

(And I'll have to look it up, but it wouldn't surprise me if those numbers come from the Lewin Group, a thinktank paid for exclusively by insurance companies)

Now how about a simple out.

Life Expectancy

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[Visfen]

Life expectancy has nothing to do with health care results.

Of course I will live longer than most Americans, I just take that for granted, because I have a healthier life style, and frankly we have no genetic conditions in my near family, all my relatives lived well into their 90s.

If I do get sick, I do not, and will not wait in line for years before I get treatment. My grandmother had a problem with her knee and had to wait for 16 months, that is just ridiculous.

[greyflcn]

re: Visfen

Well, when you ration based on need.

People aren't blocked access to critical life saving medical procedures.

However as a result, less resources are put toward elective procedures.

So it's really a question of which holds higher moral weight as a society.

Whether or not people die due to lack of care, or the luxury of convenience.

[Visfen]

So do you want politicians to sit and decide what you "need"? All you do in such a system is that you but a larger hedge between a more different two-tier system, where rich people like me will be the only ones who afford to get really good care and everyone else get shitty government care.

People are so blocked from critical life saving procedures, people die in line every year. Which is why we are privatizing our system more and more.

There are dynamic market forces that can deal with this.

[Visfen]

If you have a problem with people not receiving care because they can't afford it you are free to give out of your own pocket, as most people did in the early 20th century when the US health care system was the best in the world and worked perfectly fine. And so it did until the moron FDR started messing up pretty much everything in the US with ridiculous social programs that were suppose to eradicate poverty, instead it has increased it.

[greyflcn]

re: Visfen

Not to mention, the inexpensive stuff is already paid out of pocket by deductibles.

[greyflcn]

re: Visfen

Heh, seems like HSA's are even worse than paying out of pocket.

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[Visfen]

No, they are not, the reason why there are problems with health savings accounts now is because you don't get any ROI on savings however you save your money.

If there were to be a HSA put up it would have to be accounts without cap gains tax, and there would be hedges on inflation involved in the political system, so that would change how the FED does credit expansion.

HSA do work, they worked for decades before the government got involved trough tax reallocation in WWII.

[balanceseeker]

Oh, and as to the "burden" of the "debt" this will bring down on future generations, it is the Republican prescription drug plan that is being paid with debt because it isn't funded.

The bipartisan Congressional Budget Office actually says that the Democratic Health Care Bill that passed the house will REDUCE the national debt by over $100 billion over the next 10 years.

[Visfen]

So you're telling me your argument for this plan not-unloading-debt (btw, this will help the drug industry) is "the republicans did it". I really don't give a shit what the republicans did or did not do, when it comes to the debt the two parties are in an agreement that they both don't care. That is not an argument for it, that is an argument against both parties.

The CBO are wrong, like almost always, the only way to reduce the deficit with this plan would be if health care quality goes down.

[balanceseeker]

No, my argument for this health care bill is not "the republicans did it." I am saying that if you want to complain about mounting debt from health care, you can rightly place blame on at the feet of the Republican congress that passed an unfunded entitlement program.

Furthermore, that unfunded program stands in contrast to the FULLY funded Democratic health care bill with language that says that if anticipated savings do not appear, they will be made up with program cuts not higher taxes.

[Visfen]

Obama has already increased the deficit more than Bush ever did, he is continuing all the bad policies from the Bush era and adding onto even worse. Increasing the military and social expenditure, while taking on even more debt is not change. In fact if anything Obama has propped up his white house with even more bankers that are robbing the country blind.

The program is not funded at all, the US doesn't even have money for what it is doing now. This is the killing stroke for the dollar.

[balanceseeker]

I tried to argue the reality of the situation with you, Visfen, but you only say that my facts are wrong. I guess they just do not fit into your world view, so they must be "wrong."

I seriously doubt there is anything anyone can say to prove anything to you. You know everything and you live in your own chicken-little world where the sky will come crashing any day now, and that is fine.

The rest of us will deal with the real world. Come talk to me when you want a tour of it.

[Visfen]

No, I agree that the WHO ranks France 1st, but it is completely irrelevant. Weighting the different variables that they take in they could place North Korea first if they wanted to.

I used to be a proponent for socialized medicine, but you grow and you learn, I grew out of my socialism.

Well, somebody could show me how my theory is wrong, that is to say, how the free market system doesn't work. That would pretty much do it. If you have anything better, then tell me what that is.

[balanceseeker]

Well, Visfen, I'll try this as a counter to your truly free market theory:

Anything managed solely by the free market, no matter how much competition there is, cannot be universal, as there will be some people who cannot afford the service despite all efforts. So, if health care is something that in this country we feel should be a right, that people should not worry about bankrupt over health care costs, then it will require AT LEAST SOME government to provide it.

[Visfen]

That depends on what kind of quality you want to buy. But even so, let's say we talk about something so simple as food, the best way to combat that IS with the free market.

But you're not at a place in the US market where people can not afford health care per say, but where they should by worse health care, less quality care. That is however illegal, because of standards set by government.

Libertarian principles are not only those that work, but they are the only ones that are moral.

[greyflcn]

@Visfen

False equivalence

Food is highly fungible, and low barrier to market entry.

Prescription drugs, and Surgeries are not.

And to maintain their effectiveness, to some extent they can't ever be.

For highly fungible, low barrier to market entry (i.e. Commodities) The market works just great.

But you're comparing apples and oranges.

[Visfen]

Food is not fungible, wheat, corn, potatoes, tomatoes, meat are though. Just to be clear on what fungibility means.

For instance, there useto be ADHD medicine with amfetmain in it, but today we use another medication which has the same effect.

So the real question here is market barriers to produce these alternatives, or in effect the same substance but by another producer, the market barrier here is patents. Which have nothing to do with free markets.

Agriculture is naturally ineleastic...

[greyflcn]

re: Visfen

Food is largely fungible.

Or rather the raw function of food, being "Nutrition" is fungible.

You can eat liver and corn meal.

Or you can eat steak, and potatoes.

And achieve the same essential raw function.

The difference is almost entirely aesthetic.

[Visfen]

But in the same sense "cures" are fungible. Fungibility talks about commodities, not how a market functions. The "problem" with agriculture, ie. food, is that it is an inelastic market, where wheat is a fungible commodity.

But you don't solve any of these problem by involving a monopoly on violence (the state) in the transactions.

What you can do is give "market privilege" , that is to remove any taxation or regulation from transaction that deal with these kind of services.

[greyflcn]

re: Visfen

And that's how things would function,

If we had a Austrian market.

But we both can agree that we don't.

Drugs are patented, and Surgeons outside of an insurance company's network aren't financed.

And I would argue that methods that may work inside a Austrian market, do not necessarily work outside of one.

For instance, can you explain to me why Ron Paul voted against the removal of the Glass Steagall Act, and deregulation of Credit Default Swaps.

[Visfen]

Well we could have, that is entirely up to legislators.

Because you can't remove regulations when you insure the depoits, the banks, and half of all the mortgages in the market. That is just crazy. I thought Reagan proved that to be a complete failure when his phony economy collapsed.

If you want to liberate an economy you have to remove both the restraints and the benefits, if you remove only the restraints and easy credit you will have systemic risk.

[Visfen]

If you were to do any sort of reform based on the ridiculous conditions we are in now that are imploding the US economy, try to go in the right direction. Don't create a public "option", instead try to liberate the industry of stupid regulations such as the block on across state insurance trade and withdraw Medicaid to fund an extension of medicare while freeing up cash to cut taxes on income and remove the employer insurance tax benefit to destroy the status quo.

This is just more of the same.

[greyflcn]

@Visfen

About the state lines

1. Harder to sue companies out of state

2. Removes a state's ability to regulate pre-existing conditions, and mandates.

3. Companies would just move to states with weakest legal structure

When people make these broad claims about American cancer survival rates. That's largely due to mandates for cancer screenings in populous states.

And as for pre-existing conditions, certain states allow domestic abuse, and pregnancy to be a pre-existing condition.

[greyflcn]

re: Visfen

That said, if we could do something like the Swiss system.

Where the stuff that's currently regulated by states, would be regulated by federal. I'd be perfectly fine with opening up state lines.

However that'd never happen anyways,

Since no state would willingly give up the state tax revenue they gain from having these businesses in their state.

[Visfen]

"Since no state would willingly give up the state tax revenue they gain from having these businesses in their state. "

That is what all this is about. And if you want a federal instead of a state system that is what you need to change first.

Don't talk about what is politically expedient, because that is always what is wrong.

Trust me when I tell you how this will play out, a few years it will work fine, then it will totally and utterly collapse with the entire US economy.

[aquamadman]

you are a fucking troll. sob story?? fuck you little bitch, i have stomach cancer and if you even dared( i know you wont, you are just another spineless little retarded concervitard) to tell me that its just a sob story you would need a public option because you would get beaten with a bat! shut the fuck up asshole!

[Visfen]

Beaten up by a guy with stomach cancer, yeah, somehow I doubt that would happen.

But nice to see you're setting an example of the sort of ridiculous tactic we all so hate.

Of course you want a public option since you apparently weren't responsible enough to save an invest in your own well being. But you don't have a right to robb me of the opportunity to be responsible only because you were not, redistributing wealth to your favor might be something you favor, but I don't.

[RodgersRevolution]

You really are a piece of shit. If he won't beat you I will. I am healthy.

[aquamadman]

u r just a punk ass little bitch that cant read! i had a great job and made great money but as i said before my insurance co cancelled me based on some bull shit. i saved my money for retirement but now i pay 9 grand a month for chemo and radiation therapies out of my own pocket. my retirement fund is being drained cuz of this . so how was i irresponsible? i hope you get cancer and your insurance co fucks you! i am sure you will have the loudest and whinyest voice out there, fucking little bitch

[Visfen]

Of course they canceled you, you got sick. That is what happens when you have an insurance on a one year arm. What else did you expect? They keep you on the same rate out of good will?

If you still have money to pay for it what are you whining about? It's not like the government can magically pay it for you trough some magic machine that just creates wealth, manpower and resources. What you're proposing is to unload your burden on others. That is irresponsible, and GREEDY...

[aquamadman]

wow! the more you talk the more lame you sound. i have had the same insurance company for 14 years so i doint know what lame crap you are talking about " 1 year arm"? i do know no that you are a useless idiot ready to sell out your own country to the insurance co's, the same kind that are now sueing a state because the state blocked a 16% increse demanded by them. you are just another shill who would gladly watch others die so you can line your pockets.

[Visfen]

One year arm: That means the rate resets after one year.

I would never buy insurance in my life, so how the hell do I want to sell my country out to them? I want a free system, which would be a system based on saving, loaning and paying for your care when you get it.

I'm trying to save you, I am making money of your suffering, but I wish that wouldn't have to be the case. If there was a free market system I could make money out of your benefit instead. But you leave me no choice.

[aquamadman]

so how come you dont suport a system like france has? the no 1ranked healthcare system in the world. it maybe more expensive than some but far cheaper than the one in the US.... i mean if you have my countries best intrests at heart

[Visfen]

Because I understand rudimentary economics and statistics. Weighting different variables that have nothing to do with health care results into a tablet and then getting an output that is supposedly scientific is lunacy.

To take as an example, HDI, one of their parameters is infant mortality rate, which is higher in the US because the prenatal care is better there so babies with higher risks are actually delivered and born. This places you lower than countries that doesn't care about them.

[Visfen]

When did health care costs start to rise? That's right, after Nixon instuted the tax cut on employer paid insurance and medicare in 1965. During the early 20th century when the US was a much freer market health care costs actually shrunk as a percentage of GDP.

To simply state some fictional ranking from the WHO as an argument from reform is entirely subjective as to what you weight and how

The US ranks nr1 in results, that is what matters, if you want to bring down costs you need competition

[aquamadman]

the same kind that sits in the minority but would destroy their country just because the majority disagrees.... sound familiar? you may not be american or republian or what ever country you are lying about being from but you are cut from the same shity souless lowlife class as rupugnates and conservatives. again, if you are not from THIS country then your drible does not mean shit to any one here. fuck off insurance shill asswipe.

[Visfen]

Om jag ljuger om att vara från Sverige vore det ganska underligt att jag pratar flytande svenska, men något mer bevis än så är det inte direkt möjligt att presentera.

The fact that I have first hand experience of the health care system you want should mean that I have at least some insight worthwile, but since you're an hysterical person, and for good reason (you will benefit from unloading your burden on others) then there really is no use talking to you.

[aquamadman]

it is a fact you claim, you might just be a shill who wants to make a buck off the pain suffering and misery of your fellow countrymen

[aquamadman]

Who gives a fuck what you think! You are from Sweden so your opinion matters squat! You have no say in American politics or how we run our country so kindly shut up and mind your own business.

[Visfen]

yeah, what do my opinion matter, what would I know about socialized medicine when I actually live under such a disastrous system?

While you are going public we privatizing more and more of our public sector. It has been deemed a failed experiment and we have officials in power that have realized that long before most common morons have.

But run your country in the ground, I don't give a shit, I actually make money shorting US stocks and betting against your failed currency. Thanks for that.

[aquamadman]

but again, no one here gives a fuck what some fucking ass clown from sweden thinks about our health care system specialy from a cowardly country like sweden.

[PersonalJesus348]

up by 730 billion... this representative doesn't even know how taxes work...

[AudioGraphics]

wait this is not the onion

[martinaoe2]

Scarborough was being sarcastic there.. you could see he kneww it was a disgrace.

[BforBryan]

WTF AMERICA... would have expected this from the onion...

[gisforgary]

truth is always stranger. remember who was the republican candidate for vp only a year ago? birthers/deathers/teabaggers/ 4m2m? the onions got nothing on 21st century politicians.

[Ccolebrooked]

What a horrible. omfg

[bleunt]

A low point in American politics.

[TheRamenAvenger]

This was really embarrassing

[themarycity]

That's sick.

[valiantTyrael]

I'm too intellectual to be persuaded so easily. Try harder Congressman Shadegg.

[tj5555555]

they laugh about it, but it is all about how much it will cost the next generations to fund this insane spending spree. Joe & friends are the jerks. tj

[gisforgary]

how much are the bush/cheney wars costing the next generation? they could have paid for a lot of health care -- with plenty left over for infrastructure.

[tj5555555]

g-ry: last years news. but you use bag policy to justify worse policy. that's just a stupid argument. You say, "Bush spent, so let Obama spend double". Mr Obama said he was going to be different and he is Bush on steroids when it comes to spending. That's stupid. tj

[scipio2009]

-Medicare Advantage

-No Child Left Behind

-Bush's $1.5 Trillion tax cut

Now, the costs for fighting wars, no matter how misguided one actually thinks the effort is, is something that shouldn't hold much clout in this debate, for the simple fact that there's no such thing as a deficit-neutral war.

Still, the above 3 programs that I've mentioned, and probably countless more, are prime examples of watching and administration rob the next generation blind.

Simply acknowledge that fact.

[scipio2009]

Medicare Advantage and "No Child Left Behind" were admirable ideas to put forth, offering an idea for a fix to problems that have been affecting the country for years. Only problem was that no one wanted to make the necessary choices to fund the programs.

The Bush tax cuts were a boon to the top 1% in this country, and the Republicans were praised for that, and again, no one proposed the necessary cuts to make it even slightly financially responsible.

[scipio2009]

If you honestly want to talk about someone robbing generations, all you have to do is look to the presidencies of Reagan and Bush the Younger, to of the most reckless economic administrations of the last 100 years.

For all the talk of "Obama robbing generations", the plans he's seemed to support, primarily the bill that eventually came out of the Finance committee, are actually paid for in a ten-year budget window.

[scipio2009]

The measures that he wants to use to pay for it may hurt, but at least the plan is actually paid for.

So next time why don't you check your information before spouting nonsense

[Plutonwolf]

{{{{{{{{{{{{{Baby talk module activated}}}}}}}}}}}}}

"Oooh, but dear congwess man stupid bwains, what hppens if mommy and daddy loose their jobs? I'm far too widdle to get a job and if I get a boo boo in my widdle tummy wummy, I don't want to go pWay wiff baby Jesus in heaven! Maybe YOU should go pway wiff bay Jesus.  You is soooo old and so mean, maybe baby jesus will make go go pway with the mean peoples in aitch E double hockey sticks"

At least that the way I heard it.

[sirdaveysockrocker]

this is the most ridiculous, obvious and stupid bullshit ive ever seen on the floor. what an asshole.