Yes when combined with a PCI bridge card like the Elbox Mediator then native Amiga HW can access many types of PCI card including 3dfx and Radeon graphic cards.
Very interesting indeed! Is this possible on a basic A1200, A500, A600, etc… using a PCI bridge or only for the AGA A4000 & A1200T? Oh and what about on the A2000? And driver support? I still have my A1200, wouldn’t mind trying something like this on it.
The Amiga 1200 in when installed in a tower case, the A4000 Tower, A4000 Desktop, A3000 Tower and A3000 Desktop all support the mediator PCI bridge cards. Google "Elbox mediator" for more info.
@ddniUK Doesn't mean the Amiga is doing the work, the Voodoo card is, as is the PPC. That 1200 is no more an Amiga than my gaming PC is a Mac. Everything that made it an amiga has been replaced.
I still disagree, Amiga OS 3.9 is entirely driven by the 68k 68060 cpu, the whole system depends on the native Amiga hardware to run. The PPC needs the 68k CPU to implement the WarpUP drivers.
I agree that this is not an out of the box A1200. But much to the annoyance of some Amiga purists progress is progress, this is simply a demonstration of that.
@ddniUK Pratically, the Amiga is slowing down the PPC and the Voodoo 3 card. The system as a whole uses much more the accelerator cards with modern CPU and GPU than the original AGA chipset and Motorola CPU, so it's not really an Amiga anymore. With a Sam440ep and a compatible external video card you'll get better performance for your Amiga OS 4: you should upgrade to that. That's progress, not attaching on a vintage Amiga (that should preserved) a whole new unrelated architecture.
I BELIEVE (I HAVE AMIGA 500 600 AND 1200 030 TOWER AMONG OTHER MACHINES) IF TODAY WE HAVE WORKBENCH VERSION 10.00 IN A 3.6-4.2 QUAD QORE WITH NOT 4 SLI OR CROSSFIRE BUT AT LEAST A VERY GOOD GRAPHIC CARD NOT SO EXPENSIVE BUT ALSO NOT SO CHEAP WE DIDNT NEED NEITHER PC NEITHER MACS NEITHER LINUX NEITHER ANYTHING.WE DO ALL OF THESE THINGS BETTER.DAMN EXPENSIVE AMIGA PERIFERALS ALTHOUGH ALL PC PERIFERALS ARE VERY CHEAP.
Yeah I know this timedemo still remember it very vividly aah the good ol quake 2 days, where playing was 30% the rest was messing around with the game engine and stuff :P
@Pubec71 Q2 can run even on lower specs (x86 platform) and its not like its running in a emulator, its a direct port, so why not. i seen running it with my own eyes on a amiga. xD
For comparison I went through the pain of getting Quake II installed on my Amiga (68040/25 / 603/175 + BVision (Permedia2)). Now its not unplayable and looks alot like the video, but Timedemo demo1 gives an average of 12 fps for my setup. can probably squeeze out a few more fps with tweaking, but no point if it looks like the software renderer int he end ;)
Why everyone keeps the exposure of theil camera at "auto" setting and unlocked? Lock the exposure to right before burning a white shot with some black stripe (you amigans tell me that you don't know how to make a greyscale pattern!!!!), fix the focus adjust it and shoot then. You'll be stunned by the results.
comment by somene that used an amiga professionally.
(oh, there are Genlocks as well, even for the dblpal - dblntsc or RTG graphics!)
@Barry3443 are you for real? ofcourse you can get a voodoo for the amiga there is a little piece of hardware called the mediator which is an expansion board with 4 or more pci slots that allow an amiga user to use pci cards like gfx,sound network etc...... lol try an online shop like amigakit and see for yourself.....oh and one more thing "ONLY AMIGA CAN MAKE IT POSSIBLE" :)
Wow, where to start with how wrong you are ? AGA wasnt a "graphics card" it was the 3rd revision of the custom chipset (as anyone who knows anything about amigas knows). Also, even the very 1st amiga from 25 years ago had zorro slots which allowed adding actual graphics/sound/nic/etc. cards. Over the years there's been plenty of options for amigans to use industry standard hardware via pc busboards, voodoo3 being one of the best supported in terms of hardware acceleration.
x1000 wont be nearly as impressive. The classic amigas are cool cos of how capable they are for such old machines, the x1000 is more or less off the shelf "standard hardware" (but only with support for years old gear). Chances are x1000 will be comparable to bottom of the barrell budget "new" pc gear (but at a price of hardware many many times faster ). Good news for those that are interested, but far from exciting stuff in this day and age. No software to even utilize the specs it has either.
Actually, reading that back it sounds a bit negative. Wasnt meant to be, I'm still into the amiga scene. I just mean that it (x1000) wont offer anything people havent seen sefore, whereas the original amiga systems did, and continued to be nice little machines for a long time (as this vid shows). Still though, it's good for OS4 people to have more upto date hardware, and I guess xcore is sort of interesting.
@ddniUK Maybe it's just me but something about the AmigaOne and the newer Amiga clones just doesn't feel pure. Maybe it's the lack of a 68K based proc and just a PPC... I know that Motorola doesn't have a 68K faster than a 68060, but it would be nice if they still made procs based on that archtecture.
@ddniUK Well, I didn't mean to take it that far, lol.
I guess what I meant was that when you take the 68K out of an Amiga it feels as if it turns into a different flavor of the old PPC Macs, rather than feeling like a truly different architecture outside of the PC and Mac.
@ddniUK cont. from my other post: Not only that, but how many computer platforms out there have been made to use two completely different CPU architecture as the same time? IMHO that is one of the many things that makes the Amiga an astonishing platform still today.
@Dant2142 Look at the new "Macss". There is zero legacy left over from the original 68000/powerpc Macs. Even the OS is completely re-written, yet Apple has managed to sell thousands of new "Macs" a year.
Its just about you :-) Put hardware aside, now when AmigaOS4 is chipset independent, and PowerPC there is no limit - Amiga on 700Mhz, 1Ghz CPUs and Radeon cards. Well, it was supposed that PowerPC replaces 68k, it is just said that Apple has abandoned it to make Mac cheaper, while OS/2 and WindowsNT were realised, but no apps developed. That leaves both Mac and Amiga PPC users just with options to use Linux.
I'm trying to buy an Amiga 3000, hopefully the guy will sell it to me, offered $400, I think that's very very reasonable!!
Anyways, VERY IMPRESSIVE. You absolutely MUST be running in Direct3d right? No way that thing could handle directdraw, the Cpu could never draw those frames. Or are you using something I'm not even familiar with....emulation...Oh yeah, OpenGL, is that what you're using, on teh Voodoo?
if commodore had done things right todays computers would be very very diffrent. if amiga arcitecture and technology had survived we would be at least 8-10 years ahead in computer technology. well history is not made by ifs... i stil have my classic miggie. with no stupid upgrades ofcourse. only a hard disk and some fast ram. all this upgrade amiga frenzy was so useless.... what was the point to keep a dead system alive?
Yet again a game which shows how much potential Amiga had with lesser hardware. I miss good old Amiga days so much. Only if Commodore would have done things right...
@KarpowSCX I agree as an Amiga fan but lesser hardware? It's a Voodoo 3 card and a PPC at 175Mhz... It ran better on a Pentium 90 with the same video card.
@KarpowSCX it is not doing this with "lesser hardware", that hardware wasn't available in the days of Quake II. Anyone can make a super duper acellerator and put it on an old machine. I could spend 3 years putting a core2duo and 6770 into a C64 and then say "Look what the C64 can do! If only Commodore persisted with it!!"
@tosgem My point was that Blizzard PPC and Voodoo 3 (or BlizzardVision) are not "super duper accellerators" but completelly out of date hardware in these day. It's a fact that Amiga software has always been much more optimised than PC software. It's a PC software that always relies on "super duper" hardware. On lesser PC hardware (usually only few years old) most recent software crawls and might not work at all.
Sweet. didnt know there was a quake 2 for the amiga. I have still got quake 1 for the amiga here. Though I sold my BlizzardPPC 603e+ 060 240mhz card with its BVision gfx card about 5 years ago. Still got a bare bone Micronic infinitiv mrk2 tower though. Plan on re-building it one day. Kinda wish id not sold the bits now. :-(
i wounder if half-life 1 can run this?
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CelentAle 4 months ago
How is this possible? Did the basic AMIGA hardware even support 3dfx accelerator cards to play this on?
alxxz 1 year ago
@alxxz
Yes when combined with a PCI bridge card like the Elbox Mediator then native Amiga HW can access many types of PCI card including 3dfx and Radeon graphic cards.
ddniUK 1 year ago
@ddniUK
Very interesting indeed! Is this possible on a basic A1200, A500, A600, etc… using a PCI bridge or only for the AGA A4000 & A1200T? Oh and what about on the A2000? And driver support? I still have my A1200, wouldn’t mind trying something like this on it.
alxxz 1 year ago
@alxxz
The Amiga 1200 in when installed in a tower case, the A4000 Tower, A4000 Desktop, A3000 Tower and A3000 Desktop all support the mediator PCI bridge cards. Google "Elbox mediator" for more info.
ddniUK 1 year ago
Is it safe to say you're 'A1200T' is just a PC masquerading as an Amiga?
madcapoperator 1 year ago
@madcapoperator
No not at all the Native Amiga OS is driving this hardware in the same way as any other modern day system accesses PCI or PCIe cards.
ddniUK 1 year ago
Hooray for 3Dfx cards!
phreakindee 1 year ago
Technically not the Amiga doing this, it's all the Voodoo3's work...
ImperialProductions 1 year ago
@ImperialProductions
I disagree, the 3dfx card is completely driven by the Amiga.
ddniUK 1 year ago 4
@ddniUK Doesn't mean the Amiga is doing the work, the Voodoo card is, as is the PPC. That 1200 is no more an Amiga than my gaming PC is a Mac. Everything that made it an amiga has been replaced.
ImperialProductions 1 year ago
@ImperialProductions
I still disagree, Amiga OS 3.9 is entirely driven by the 68k 68060 cpu, the whole system depends on the native Amiga hardware to run. The PPC needs the 68k CPU to implement the WarpUP drivers.
I agree that this is not an out of the box A1200. But much to the annoyance of some Amiga purists progress is progress, this is simply a demonstration of that.
ddniUK 1 year ago 4
@ddniUK Pratically, the Amiga is slowing down the PPC and the Voodoo 3 card. The system as a whole uses much more the accelerator cards with modern CPU and GPU than the original AGA chipset and Motorola CPU, so it's not really an Amiga anymore. With a Sam440ep and a compatible external video card you'll get better performance for your Amiga OS 4: you should upgrade to that. That's progress, not attaching on a vintage Amiga (that should preserved) a whole new unrelated architecture.
DarioNeodi 9 months ago
@ImperialProductions Ok. Let's take A1200 motherboard out of the case and leave all the rest in. Does the machine still work? No... :)
KarpowSCX 7 months ago
SORRY,WHEN I SAY QUAD CORE I MEAN PPC QUAD CORE NOT INTEL
petsasjim1 1 year ago
I BELIEVE (I HAVE AMIGA 500 600 AND 1200 030 TOWER AMONG OTHER MACHINES) IF TODAY WE HAVE WORKBENCH VERSION 10.00 IN A 3.6-4.2 QUAD QORE WITH NOT 4 SLI OR CROSSFIRE BUT AT LEAST A VERY GOOD GRAPHIC CARD NOT SO EXPENSIVE BUT ALSO NOT SO CHEAP WE DIDNT NEED NEITHER PC NEITHER MACS NEITHER LINUX NEITHER ANYTHING.WE DO ALL OF THESE THINGS BETTER.DAMN EXPENSIVE AMIGA PERIFERALS ALTHOUGH ALL PC PERIFERALS ARE VERY CHEAP.
petsasjim1 1 year ago
Yeah I know this timedemo still remember it very vividly aah the good ol quake 2 days, where playing was 30% the rest was messing around with the game engine and stuff :P
gevelegian 1 year ago
Amiga is the incredible machine :D
amigapoika 1 year ago
impossible
Pubec71 1 year ago
@Pubec71
Not for THE Amiga!!!!
ddniUK 1 year ago 12
@Pubec71
only amiga can make it possible :)
carvedeye 1 year ago
@Pubec71 Man, it is possible if you have the PowerPC Add-On card
merkur32123 1 year ago
@Pubec71 Q2 can run even on lower specs (x86 platform) and its not like its running in a emulator, its a direct port, so why not. i seen running it with my own eyes on a amiga. xD
sergo40 1 year ago
I just feel sorry for the Amiga... because with a 1992 hardware run a 1997 game ... that's technology! Even being a MSX fan... LOL.
decapattack 1 year ago
@decapattack Amiga port was made in 2002 only in belgium for the AMIGA OS
SuperDave341 1 year ago
it looks slightly better than the Playstation port. the frame rate actually isn't too bad at all. Totally playable. Looks around 15-20 fps.
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AmigaFan78 1 year ago
For comparison I went through the pain of getting Quake II installed on my Amiga (68040/25 / 603/175 + BVision (Permedia2)). Now its not unplayable and looks alot like the video, but Timedemo demo1 gives an average of 12 fps for my setup. can probably squeeze out a few more fps with tweaking, but no point if it looks like the software renderer int he end ;)
AmigaOmega 1 year ago
Learn to play like this one: watch?v=7t9oTco90UI
tommyjones1978 1 year ago
@tommyjones1978
sweet speedrun!
You do realise that I am not playing in my video. It is a timedemo....
ddniUK 1 year ago 12
@ddniUK I know that, but if you like the game put it ON!!! congrats for the video, im a fan of Amiga for eternity!
tommyjones1978 1 year ago
Subscribed! :D
psphacker8 1 year ago
Why everyone keeps the exposure of theil camera at "auto" setting and unlocked? Lock the exposure to right before burning a white shot with some black stripe (you amigans tell me that you don't know how to make a greyscale pattern!!!!), fix the focus adjust it and shoot then. You'll be stunned by the results.
comment by somene that used an amiga professionally.
(oh, there are Genlocks as well, even for the dblpal - dblntsc or RTG graphics!)
potis21 1 year ago
No offence but your aim sucks :/
nikomo0 1 year ago
@nikomo0
LOL it is a TimeDemo! I aint playing... ;)
ddniUK 1 year ago 18
@ddniUK lol guess he never played quake 2
Hless421 1 year ago
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Fake. As anybody who knows about Amigas knows they don't have Voodoo 3 they have AGA which is a graphics card from Commodore.
Barry3443 1 year ago
@Barry3443
Ohhh... I do so love comments that demonstrate the posters ignorance. lol.
Do a Google search for "Elbox Mediator"
ddniUK 1 year ago 4
@ddniUK and more likely the lack of knowledge...
steel1667 1 year ago
@Barry3443 are you for real? ofcourse you can get a voodoo for the amiga there is a little piece of hardware called the mediator which is an expansion board with 4 or more pci slots that allow an amiga user to use pci cards like gfx,sound network etc...... lol try an online shop like amigakit and see for yourself.....oh and one more thing "ONLY AMIGA CAN MAKE IT POSSIBLE" :)
carvedeye 1 year ago
Wow, where to start with how wrong you are ? AGA wasnt a "graphics card" it was the 3rd revision of the custom chipset (as anyone who knows anything about amigas knows). Also, even the very 1st amiga from 25 years ago had zorro slots which allowed adding actual graphics/sound/nic/etc. cards. Over the years there's been plenty of options for amigans to use industry standard hardware via pc busboards, voodoo3 being one of the best supported in terms of hardware acceleration.
beezle1976 1 year ago
@Barry3443 You ignorant fag-end! (did C= even do a 1200 graphics card?) as ddniuk said.. need I say more.
nutellajunkie 1 year ago
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Barry3443 1 year ago
@Barry3443 one word mate, hypocrit..
nutellajunkie 1 year ago
@Barry3443 I am still an Amiga user, normally I wouldn't get involved but you have generalised a bit.
lordnipple 1 year ago
wait, is that hardware rendering??
TheN306 1 year ago
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LOL nostalgic.
GunnzAkimbo2007 1 year ago
this is unreal
Is there anything Amiga cant do?
qwertyperpy 2 years ago 4
Well this HW is between 18 and 13 years old...
Just wait and see what the upcoming AmigaOne X1000 can do!!!
ddniUK 2 years ago 2
x1000 wont be nearly as impressive. The classic amigas are cool cos of how capable they are for such old machines, the x1000 is more or less off the shelf "standard hardware" (but only with support for years old gear). Chances are x1000 will be comparable to bottom of the barrell budget "new" pc gear (but at a price of hardware many many times faster ). Good news for those that are interested, but far from exciting stuff in this day and age. No software to even utilize the specs it has either.
beezle1976 2 years ago
Actually, reading that back it sounds a bit negative. Wasnt meant to be, I'm still into the amiga scene. I just mean that it (x1000) wont offer anything people havent seen sefore, whereas the original amiga systems did, and continued to be nice little machines for a long time (as this vid shows). Still though, it's good for OS4 people to have more upto date hardware, and I guess xcore is sort of interesting.
beezle1976 2 years ago
@ddniUK Maybe it's just me but something about the AmigaOne and the newer Amiga clones just doesn't feel pure. Maybe it's the lack of a 68K based proc and just a PPC... I know that Motorola doesn't have a 68K faster than a 68060, but it would be nice if they still made procs based on that archtecture.
Dant2142 1 year ago
@Dant2142 Thats a fair point.
The Coldfire freescale 68k replacement range has potential, but sadly, not enough grunt to be commercially viable in today's market.
However if we are talking PURE, then any system that differs from its "out of the box" spec falls into that trap....
ddniUK 1 year ago
@ddniUK Well, I didn't mean to take it that far, lol.
I guess what I meant was that when you take the 68K out of an Amiga it feels as if it turns into a different flavor of the old PPC Macs, rather than feeling like a truly different architecture outside of the PC and Mac.
Dant2142 1 year ago
@ddniUK cont. from my other post: Not only that, but how many computer platforms out there have been made to use two completely different CPU architecture as the same time? IMHO that is one of the many things that makes the Amiga an astonishing platform still today.
Dant2142 1 year ago
@Dant2142 Look at the new "Macss". There is zero legacy left over from the original 68000/powerpc Macs. Even the OS is completely re-written, yet Apple has managed to sell thousands of new "Macs" a year.
jci10 1 year ago
@jci10 That is indeed true, but these new macs are made for the average user; it's not you're average person using an Amiga for various tasks is it?
Dant2142 1 year ago
@Dant2142
Its just about you :-) Put hardware aside, now when AmigaOS4 is chipset independent, and PowerPC there is no limit - Amiga on 700Mhz, 1Ghz CPUs and Radeon cards. Well, it was supposed that PowerPC replaces 68k, it is just said that Apple has abandoned it to make Mac cheaper, while OS/2 and WindowsNT were realised, but no apps developed. That leaves both Mac and Amiga PPC users just with options to use Linux.
vojinvidanovic79 1 year ago
@ddniUK iam looking forward to natami !
julzinka 1 year ago
lepszy nie, bo nie ma dynamicznego oświetlenia, ale jestem pod wrażeniem, że tyle mocy z amigi wyciągneli, good work !
inviKK 2 years ago
Lepszy niz na PC :)
JAiONA3022 2 years ago 2
Amiga have a Impressive Hardware.
Good Video!
fsm1982 2 years ago 7
It seems wipeout did a much better port, these lighting issues and model flicker really make it suck
Dreamcast270mhz 2 years ago 3
A1200T Blizzard 603+ PPC 175mhz 68060 50mhz 256mb RAM.OS3.9 BB1+2, Mediator, Voodoo 3 P96. Indivision 1200 AGA SD/FF,one word I HAVE "ENVY"
gillianx68000 2 years ago
I'm trying to buy an Amiga 3000, hopefully the guy will sell it to me, offered $400, I think that's very very reasonable!!
Anyways, VERY IMPRESSIVE. You absolutely MUST be running in Direct3d right? No way that thing could handle directdraw, the Cpu could never draw those frames. Or are you using something I'm not even familiar with....emulation...Oh yeah, OpenGL, is that what you're using, on teh Voodoo?
HypnoticSuggestion 2 years ago
@HypnoticSuggestion
Yes Amiga uses an OpenGL implementation to make a hardware 3D render.
EdgeOfPanic 2 years ago
Pocketpc :D LOL
PowerPC
Its a processor !
winhate 2 years ago 2
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isnt a ppc a POCKET PC?
redking15ca 2 years ago
if commodore had done things right todays computers would be very very diffrent. if amiga arcitecture and technology had survived we would be at least 8-10 years ahead in computer technology. well history is not made by ifs... i stil have my classic miggie. with no stupid upgrades ofcourse. only a hard disk and some fast ram. all this upgrade amiga frenzy was so useless.... what was the point to keep a dead system alive?
vonzuchter 2 years ago
FUCKK IT LOOKS AMAZING FOR AMIGA
Rilyn666 2 years ago 3
Yet again a game which shows how much potential Amiga had with lesser hardware. I miss good old Amiga days so much. Only if Commodore would have done things right...
KarpowSCX 2 years ago 33
@KarpowSCX I agree as an Amiga fan but lesser hardware? It's a Voodoo 3 card and a PPC at 175Mhz... It ran better on a Pentium 90 with the same video card.
Gerardus1970 1 year ago
@KarpowSCX it is not doing this with "lesser hardware", that hardware wasn't available in the days of Quake II. Anyone can make a super duper acellerator and put it on an old machine. I could spend 3 years putting a core2duo and 6770 into a C64 and then say "Look what the C64 can do! If only Commodore persisted with it!!"
tosgem 1 year ago 3
@tosgem So do it. :)
KarpowSCX 1 year ago
@KarpowSCX I'll get back to you in 3 years ;)
tosgem 1 year ago
@tosgem My point was that Blizzard PPC and Voodoo 3 (or BlizzardVision) are not "super duper accellerators" but completelly out of date hardware in these day. It's a fact that Amiga software has always been much more optimised than PC software. It's a PC software that always relies on "super duper" hardware. On lesser PC hardware (usually only few years old) most recent software crawls and might not work at all.
KarpowSCX 1 year ago
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LOL
fener97 2 years ago
fener97: bu ne şimdi? ayıp
ancalimonungol 2 years ago
i sold my A1200 but still have my PPC 240mhz 040 in the cupboard.. Suppose I should stick it on ebay.. no idea what id get for it
andy9841 2 years ago
does your PPC card still work by any chance? Id be interested in buying it so I can play some quake on my old miggy again...
badgerme09 2 years ago
you still got it?
Dreamcast270mhz 2 years ago
Just sold it on ebay today
andy9841 2 years ago
Went for a nice price too!
ddniUK 2 years ago
it runs better then on my old p166,16 ram &s3 virge +voodoo2 :)
jurek323 2 years ago
Sweet. didnt know there was a quake 2 for the amiga. I have still got quake 1 for the amiga here. Though I sold my BlizzardPPC 603e+ 060 240mhz card with its BVision gfx card about 5 years ago. Still got a bare bone Micronic infinitiv mrk2 tower though. Plan on re-building it one day. Kinda wish id not sold the bits now. :-(
MrWombatPPC 2 years ago
Wow... really nice framerate even though you only have 175MHz PPC! Must be the Voodoo3? :)
cv643d 2 years ago
I need to get that so I can try it on my Peg2/OS4.1 system
cv643d 2 years ago
lolz, MS ripped off the W7 Superbar from Amiga
nelizmastr 2 years ago 4
I do so miss new Amigas
landasn 2 years ago
What Amiga version is this?
I remember playing games like Myth & Alien breed on Amiga 2000.
delmintor 2 years ago
Hi, it is the version made by Hyperion entertainment.
ddniUK 2 years ago
Only Amiga makes it possible. :)
Retroplay 2 years ago