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  • bill is such a fool

    

  • would love to take a dump on bills chest

  • Justinlibertarian @paularenas26 –“bible thump er just go masturbate to Jesus please don't open your mouth and speak your retarded” in response to:

    “You could repent. Moreover, you could ask God for eternal forgiveness through applying the death and resurrection of Jesus to your life of sin within the quietness of your bedroom tonight. As an unrepentant sinner myself, I made this decision around 15 years ago. This is the most important decision that you could ever make. - Romans 10:9-10”

  • Moreover, no scientifc mention found in the bible is inaccurate.

  • @niko25ish Like the one that says the earth was created before the sun?

  • For clarification: the bible does not directly teach science, but that does not mean that science (accurate science) is not found in the bible. Often the bible uses scientific facts (geology, hydrology, astronomy and more) as analogies in order to teach a spiritual truth; moreover, these scientific facts were recorded long before the scientifc community recognized them as legitimate-such as; the Earth being spherical in nature, and the stars possessing a fixed position in our galaxy.

  • loved the movie, not one person on it wasn't sure they had all the answers, that's organized religion for you.

    bill maher cops alot of shit for being outspoken about religion but only ever by brainwashed self righteous people or organizations with something suspect to defend.

    like he states, there are millions of people that dont believe in crazy old nursery rhymes and its his/our right to speak our minds.

    thats what freedom of speech is.

  • Maher is as much of a self-righteous creep as most of the religious kooks he mocks. If leftists like him spent as much effort trying to eliminate poverty, create jobs, and promote love and peace as they do in spitting in the face of "the man" (by trying to legalize dope, legalize homosexual marriage, ban guns, ban the Pledge of Allegiance, ban the word "God" from the Pledge of Allegiance, tax money for a Woodstock Museum etc.) they might actually help save the country instead of dividing it.

  • Don't be sucked in. Do you think CBS and Bill Maher really care? They know that the sure fire way to a ratings winner is to attack religion. In the end it's all about money to them.

    Go ahead and try to ban religion. They already tried in Soviet Russia and are still trying in China. That works really well... Religion exploded in Russia after the wall came down, and there are now more Christians in China than the whole of the western world. Hmmm, maybe we need to ban it in the west. ;-)

  • Bill Maher, he knows what the fuck he's talking about!

  • RELIGION SUCKS. COZ IT ONLY FUCKS UP LIFE.. whats important is your faith!

    Maher is still a FUCKHOLE insulting the Faith of others!

  • The point about Christians needing to be more Christ-like is FANTASTIC. And really everyone could stand to be more Christ-like. People who think religion provides nothing positive, however, are as close-minded as they claim religious people to be.

  • All these atheist starting online religious wars. Atheism is a cult like everything else. And why do people like this guy? All he does is try to impose his views on everyone. Who gives a sh!t, believe what you believe in.

  • Fuck ya man, Bill is awsome and i love his movie! he's soo right

  • HEEEEEEEEEEEELLLL YEAAAA MY MAIN MAN ! Bill Maher for president ! fuck those retards trying to put religion into governments. Fuck thiestic countris. SECULARISM!!!! and most importantly fuck religion , athiesm is the way

  • Watched this on netflix, it was fucking great.

  • @ricosuavable Religulous!

  • About half the population in Britain is atheist. Only about 12% of the American population is atheist. We have a problem!

  • im a christian.. i stopped listening when he said organized religion

  • thumbs up if you were raised catholic, but aren't anymore.......

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  • Maher is such a smug self inportant douche. I saw his documentary and all he said basicly is "IF YOU BELIEVE IN GOD THEN YOUR A FUCKEN RETARD".

  • @ricosuavable are you religious? because the documentary is just asking you questions about faith.

  • @rebelcsb1 I am agnostic and there is nothing wrong wit questionning faith. But the way this guy does it. Is really smug and arrogant.

  • @ricosuavable Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -Thomas Jefferson

    I agree with you he can be arrogant at times but by the same token hes usualy right lol

  • @rebelcsb1 Dont belive a word Maher says. He is a political asshole and shapeshifting reptilian super jew.

  • @ricosuavable I agree we can't be like our Christian predecessors in converting people to the atheistic faith. Religion runs deep with people, and smug shit like this guy doesn't get anywhere and only empowers the religious' rage.

  • @littlelouie10 yeah if athiest dont like the religious imposing there religion on them. Then they should'nt do the same with athiesm. Bill Maher has a superioty complex.

  • Yes it's the 21st century so quit being an idiot.

  • "religulous... I know, it's a hard word" hahahaha... no one even knows when they're being undermined by Bill Maher... he points out stupidity in the most subtle way... Bill Maher is awesome

  • @bmancodgta4 Bill Maher is one of the biggest pieces of shit out there. And no, I'm not into religion.

  • I have to admit I like Bill Maher he is one of my favorites comedians/satirist but sometimes he just goes to far or says some stupid shit but still he's pretty good

  • That does not change the fact that Jesus Christ (the Son of God) is the true Savior of man kind. That man found in miami is possessed with a religous spirit that speaks lies through his human mouth. Love Jesus Christ and not vain philosophies from people like bill maher, who do your thinking for you then try to convince you that you have all the facts. Even in revelation it says "Many false christ's will rise and deceive many." the Bible warns about people like him rising up.

  • @HaydenDrist I find it hilarious that a Christian is telling people to watch out for someone that "does their thinking for them."

  • @blameINDIA Jesus leads me besides the still waters. Who would not want to be more like Him? You think maher cares if you have tragedy in your life? You think maher cares if you lost a loved one? Please. Be lead by the Holy Spirit and follow Christ because He died for you, unlike these secular people who could care less about your existence.

  • @HaydenDrist I grew up in a Christian household until I realized the lies that go on in this religion (cult). Funny thing is most atheists/agnostics I know care FAR more for people than Christians who just WAIT for a reason to rub their religion in your damned face.

  • @blameINDIA you illustrate a good point. Atheists seem bitter about bad experinces with people, not necessarily with Jesus. In my experience, most atheists have an axe to grind with a person, or series of unfortunate events in their life that led them to believe that God either doesnt care about them, or their parents (in most cases) forced them to believe their legalistic ways until finally one day, the poor guy says "forget it" and becomes atheist. Atheists are usually condescending and cold.

  • @HaydenDrist You act like a typical Christian. Reading what you want to read rather than what is actually written. Just because someone does not follow your religion does not make them bitter and cold, for the most part I find the opposite to be true. Although there are many nice Christians I find the vast majority to be over-entitled, self-righteous, religious zealots that should find something else to do with their time.

  • @HaydenDrist How do you look yourself in the mirror and say/believe the dribble that is coming out of your mouth. Your a brainwashed puppet regurgitating the rubbished that was drilled into your head since your young. If you were born in another country you would believe in something else that they believe there, don't you see a pattern emerging that religion is quite simply a form of control used hundreds of years ago to manipulate the ignorant. Don't be one of the last people to catch on...

  • @abetterplayer That is why Christian's we are commissioned to go into the most dangerous, distant parts of the world to preach the Gospel off of full faith in Christ. Religion is a word that is diametrically opposed to the True faith. I was saved earlier in my life and protected in events that would otherwise be hopeless without Christ. So yes, I was quite young when those things happened and I thank the Lord for getting me through those tough times. Religion controls, Christ is freedom.

  • @HaydenDrist it's not freedom, it never has been and never will be.

  • @abetterplayer if by "it" you mean religion, then you are correct.

  • @HaydenDrist I think Bill Maher cares 100% more than the 99.9% of people who claim to be christians.

  • @HaydenDrist Prove it!!

  • " When something is a routine from the time you are an infant, you don't question it "

    This is why many people stick to their religion. Because they do it with they parents ( i mean going to church or saying grace before eating and other stuff ) and they are still doing the same things when they are grown ups ( with their kids probably ) because for them it's just normal.

    They won't ask question about god or religion because those things were and still are a part of their lives.

  • @mikeyg789 Sorry I don^t proof read, but dealing with adults who haven^t graduated from kindergarten I thought it would be no big deal.

  • @mikeyg789 Josephus the Historian working for the Romans reported/recorded a man from Galilee did wonders,Tacitus a Roman mentioned Nero speak about Christus whom"one of our governors crucified". & of course the apostles are gonna travel all over a hostile empire for 30 yrs & face grievious trials(paul was beheaded,Peter crucified) for some mirage or better yet a person who was good a doing card tricks----please

  • @sumbarine Josephus isnt credible, sorry you cant see that Constantine and the romans used christianity to control the people and spread their power and influence throughout Europe, did you not know christianity was a pagen religion among hundreds? do some research b/c you dont know about history. One persons account=True? No rational thinking person would find Josephus or Paul or whoever credible in the least when they didnt prove anything he said just another religious charlatan, Joseph Smith.

  • @mikeyg789 Yes he is credible,he wasn^t christian a jew who betrayed his people to work with the romans.He wasn^t a believer but a historian who reported

  • @sumbarine No he's not a credible historian, he's no more credible than any other historian who followed another religion. Would you say the historians for Islam are correct and therefore Islam is correct? of course you wouldnt say that because thats not your fairy tale of choice.

  • @sumbarine lol how can he betray the jews when christianity come from judaism? going from one bullshit story to the other doesnt prove you are credible, it means you are a gullible person. And it wasnt hard to be gullible during a time with medical and scientific oppression.

  • @mikeyg789 By joining the Romans who were at war with them in the rebellion of 70 AD. Josephus was not a christian follower by any means. He was a Jew who joined the Roman war effort

  • @sumbarine one bullshit story for another,not impressive

  • @mikeyg789 Thank you for the psycho babble that doesn^t answer the questions or statements I make but tries to evade them. Josephus was a former jewish General who betrayed his people & worked for the Romans,he was a historian & is credible.Tacitus a Roman mentioned Emperor Nero referring to Christus whom "was crucified by 1 of our governors" I^m referring to Pontius pilate governor of palestine.Unfortunately you probably think its Arnold from california or Como from New York

  • @sumbarine babble lol kettle calling the pot black huh? who cares, one charlatans word doesnt prove your gods existence

  • @mikeyg789 As if Science is somehow infallible now,Scientists in CERN Switzerland(Sep. 2011) proved the theory of Relativity wrong(look it up). Clocked particles called neutrinos beat out the speed of light. lol kind of a assinine comment to make

  • @sumbarine Exactly, Science is falsifiable and religion is not. And some random scientists dont speak for the majority of scientists dipshit. So yes, you made a very asinine irrelevant comment to me.

  • @mikeyg789 Religion is false like The Bible saying in James "to help the orphan & the Widow" or Jesus saying to forgive your neighbour who repents "7 x 70" when asked by Peter. How about Christ saying "whatevet u do to the least of my brothers u do unto me","when I was hungry u fed me,when I was naked u clothed me,when in prison u visited me" a reference to fellow man.What u do in service u do unto Christ who"came to serve & not be served" Yeah your righ mikey t bad stuff,absolutelely

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  • wtf is wrong with you people

  • is it just me or is he trying to be anti-christ?

  • Maher speaks the truth. Screw religion, it deserves to be mocked. This is the 21st century for fuck's sake.

  • @dkthg true but consider the simple element that we don't know the past of one who is religious. He could be a convict who found religion to support him or her in a time of stress, yes it is a thing to be mocked but just be a little concerned of whom you might be mocking .

  • @dkthg Say what you want about religion, but if the government (or anyone for that matter pushing violence against my people) ever tries to persecute it.. I will lead an armed and terribly bloody resistance, turning a genocide on starters ten-fold for years to come. -Cheers (Atheism is okay, Catholicism is okay, and so is Islam. Just let people be people, until they act violently towards each other.. if they any group does then go balls out and defend YOUR people.)

  • billy maher is just a comic - like Dice Clay or gallagher - only difference is they were funny haha

  • What is funny about Maher is that he doesnt like religion being thrown in his his face and everywhere, but in turn he does the same thing by making a public display of how he doesnt like religion? I guess if you dont like the way something is done....do it too?

  • look at your nose in the mirror. ur jewish!

  • @starsurfer13 his mom's jewish

  • I LOVE how he doesn't like the word athiest. I have a few people in my life who call themselves devoted atheists - they detest religion, read books on atheism, go to public talks by athiests and even go to athiest conventions - all to be around people that share the same belief system as they do, which is basically centred around hating what people, who are different to them, think. It astounds me that they honestly can't see that they're doing the exact thing they hate.

  • Hi

  • Bill Maher = failed comedian turned failed commentator

    I guess as long as his network hires writers to write for him, he'll have a job. He's just not clever by himself; no one went to any of his shows before he took up the "controversy" business. He's just like a desperate comedian who goes to blue material because no one pays attention to him without it.

  • @rochelle1088 fuck off, slut

  • @rochelle1088

    stfu

    take that bible out of your ass and you will understand why he, and millions of others, think you guys are idiots.

  • Bill Maher is staunchly atheist, you can see this in his every show. He does not "preach the gospel of I don't know" at all. He openly makes fun of the religious members on his panel. I'm an atheist, not defending religion at all.

  • @itsybitsy999 Yes, but he has said before that he has a similar viewpoint to Prof. Richard Dawkins. Dawkins stresses that it cannot be scientifically proven that there is no God, as it cannot be proven that there is no "spaghetti monster" or fairies. Being an Atheist involves having an absolute belief in no higher power existing. Humans are not smart enough to have any absolute understanding of large concepts, though most want to think they know all, and thus religion still exists.

  • @hobbsgobble "Being an Atheist involves having an absolute belief in no higher power existing"  No, it doesn't. Bill Maher gets that wrong too. The ONLY thing 'required' to earn the label 'atheist' is a _lack of belief_ in god(s). It DOESN'T necessitate 'certainty' or having a closed mind to the possibility of a higher power......it just requires a lack of belief.

  • @AxeGrrrl wouldn't that be agnostic?

  • @hobbsgobble Actually, a/gnosticism and a/theism pertain to entirely _different_ things. A/gnosticism pertains to _knowledge_ and a/theism pertains to _belief_. So, they're not mutually exclusive things, nor are they different point on the same continuum. They answer _different questions_ Penn Jillette does a GREAT job explaining this in podcast #228 of Maher's "Real Time" :) I'm an agnostic atheist (as are most atheists you're likely to meet). I lack belief, but don't claim to _know_.

  • @AxeGrrrl Touché. You're probably more of an expert on the subject than I am. I simply wanted to make a distinction between Atheists who burn crosses and organize like the Theists they contest, and Atheists who simply don't believe in or question the existence of a higher power, like Bill Maher does.

  • @hobbsgobble I understand hobbsgobble and I completely agree with you! Fundamentalists and/or people who are unyieldingly _certain_ of their position on the existence/non-existence of 'God' are THE problem (and this includes the type of atheist you referred to)

  • Maher 2016!

  • Christianity was from the beginning, essentially and fundamentally, life's nausea and disgust with life, merely concealed behind, masked by, dressed up as, faith in "another" or "better" life.

    from Nietzsche's The Birth of Tragedy, p.23, Walter Kaufmann transl

  • The argument that whether or not there is a god will never be over even if we were to conquer the stars. well i simply don't need any religion to believe in god. period. i knew that i should not harm another man, life form unnecessarily before i knew there was some ime Damn commandments.

  • I loved Religulous! I watch it when I need a good laugh.

  • Watch the New Age Infiltration of the Truth... Maher is a fool.

  • @Lbouche Bill maher is a genious!!! Religion is a load of BS!!!

  • @metaldave08096 I second this.

  • @Lbouche Your a fucking moron and exactly what maher consistently talks about as the problem, your illogical and base everything in life on faith rather than logic. fuck your extreme religious views, the belief in god and doing good to get accepted into heaven is not bad its the segregation, weakness of mind and hatred your church teaches that is a problem.

  • @CANABALISTIC999 its sad how much hatred you have in your heart. It's ok, get it out. I still love you. It's not about religion it's about relationships. Open your eyes to the truth. God bless.

  • @Lbouche its better to have hatred in my heart than ignorance in my mind.

  • @CANABALISTIC999 Those two things are often, though not always, related.

  • HE'S SO DAMN AMAZING!!!!!

  • Jimmy Buffet is still alive? shit.

  • @vhopson Better a douchebag than a pussy. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

  • @TheREALforeverone When 8 year olds go wild on Youtube.

  • @prince87x YAAYYY!!!!

  • Bill Maher is the perfect face of the left. No class, No respect, No worth. Just a dependent on those who work for a living. Thank Bill, for representing what you believe in, I do give you credit for being true to your cause.

  • @stkt1986 you are freakin unpleasant. so tell me are you the man in that video on your channel of that girl backing out off a drive way? thats a pretty nice neighborhood. must be a nice house. i hope it doesn't get foreclosed

  • @stkt1986 lol I am on the left and I work I make 70000 a year, I respect people that deserve it, Now tell me some more bullshit.

  • @Justinlibertarian If you work, you are not on the left. If you really are on the left, then you will have no problem mailing me 60% of your earnings, so I can redistribute it to the not-so-fortunate. You won't do that. I don't blame you. You are a right-wing capitalist, that feels sorry for the lazy, but not sorry enough to give up your pay. Typical bullshit. Save your comments for the weak left dependents.

  • @stkt1986 number one i don't think 60 percent is fair for anyone. 2 taxing people who make 500000 a year can afford 35-40 percent of their INCOME and be fine. The reason you would tax them Higher is to make up for all the loop holes. Tax them more or close the loop holes. top executives at GE,Entergy,Atmos,Bank of America, last year got back everything they paid and more, did you NO you did not. Dude just turn around and look who fucking you in the ass

  • i guess the 5 sec ads are alright but there 30 sec. intro suck dick

  • You could repent. Moreover, you could ask God for eternal forgiveness through

    applying the death and resurrection of Jesus to your life of sin within the

    quietness of your bedroom tonight. As an unrepentant sinner myself, I made

    this decision around 15 years ago. This is the most important decision that you could ever make. - Romans 10:9-10

  • @paularenas26 bible thump er just go masturbate to Jesus please don't open your mouth and speak your retarded

  • @ Justinlibertarian – It is clear you are in need of repentance and your life (including soul) is on its way to destruction. Do not continue to hide behind lewd remarks and misconceptions of Jesus Christ.

  • I agree...the truth is...I DON'T KNOW!

  • Truth is THERE'S NO GOD !!!! DUH

  • @HeavenChildHappy Weirdo

  • The CBS dude definitely failed at pronouncing "Religulous" ( 0:06 ) ... or is that how it's really pronounced and I'm stupid?

  • @Harshal2DaG i think its pronounced "ruh-li-juh-luhs"

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  • @HeavenChildHappy

    You're a loonie. 

  • I love Bill Maher, not because I think like he does, but because He thinks like I do.

  • @airthief36 well said friend. i find alot of similarities in bill maher and bill hicks

  • @HeavenChildHappy Bismillah; Hatred will get us nowhere, nor will condemning people when you are not God, I too am Muslim, and as a Muslim you should know that through love, not hate, is how to change people.

  • Maybe (hopefully) Dexter will kill that Miami douche.

  • if you think like me you're a rationalist? sounds like he has his own little religion going

  • @fneck33 Do you not understand the difference between thought processes and an adopted perspective?

  • WHY DOES EVERYONE HAVE CAPS LOCK ON? IS THIS A NEW FAD?

  • He is a genius.

  • HI BILL HOW ARE YOU  YOU MAKE A FILM ON RELIGULOUS GOOD

  • GOD BLESS YOU BILL

    DO PRAY GOD

  • @sayeedahmed313 l May the Flying Spaghetti Monster Bless you

  • I HAVE NOT SEEN YOUR FILM BUT NOW I WILL SEE I HOPE YOU WILL CARE MY WORDS

  • YOU COMEDIAN DO COMEDY IN FILM NOT IN REAL LIFE AT HOME ALSO YOU DO THE SAME THING WITH WIFE AND CHILDRENS IS IT CHANGE YOUR SELF BILL I HAVE TOLD YOU ARE LIKE MY BROTHER TAKE CARE BUT PLAY WITH GOD

  • BILL I WAS NOT KNOWING THAT YOU ARE FROM FILM INDUSTRY

    YOU PEOPLE ARE PAID TO MAKE PEOPLE LAUGHED WHAT YOU KNOW ABOUT GOD 

  • Bill Maher looks like Doug

  • YOU SYMBOLIZE HOPE

  • fuck I hate advertising intro

  • @drkreponcio Everytime I watch atheism related videos, the advertisements are always about the bible or some other religious related stuffs.

  • I am god and I don't much appreciate you silly gooses arguing about me on the internets. You silly billys need to go smoke some of that weed I blessed you with and play Xbox. I have spoken!

  • @cdemund You're a heck of a lot nicer than in your bible.LOL

  • @emailpobox666 blame it on the catholics for slandering my name. I give them an inch and they jump a mile with it. tisk tisk.

  • @cdemund Don't they always. You "create " evolution they create Intelligent design

  • @cdemund THE LORD HAS SPOKEN! GO PWN N00BS AND GET HIGH, OR BURN FOREVER IN ETERNAL AGONY!

  • why do people feel the need to have heated religious debates on youtube? it gets you nowhere and you look like an idiot.

  • @asskickerone that comment got you nowhere and I suspect you asked that question because you're an unimaginative...idiot.

  • How can you be Christ like when there is no Christ to be like?

  • Maher fans! Go to the haldonrichardson1 youtube site.

  • Maher fans! Go to haldonrichardson1 and see videos about Reagan, The Tea Party, Rick Perry, Rush Limbaugh

  • There are so many arguments for the existence of God. Agustine's Confessions, Aquinas's Axiological and Ontological, St. Anselm's Ontological, Plantinga's argument from Properly Basic Belief, Lewis's Moral argument, Aristotle's/Aquinas's argument from the first cause, and modern philosophers such as Moreland and Craig with the Kalam Cosmological argument. Justification for the existence of God is overwhelming.

  • @danielkemp92

    Likewise, there has been only two arguments against the existence of God that have lasted. Hume's argument from Evil and Kant's argument from a non-conceivable basis. They are much more compelling than the silly scientific arguments that Dawkins and Hawking use (which don't explain the origin of existence) and the historical evidence from Harris, Dennett, and Hitchens. None of which actually prove the non-existence of God, but at the very best the atrocities of the church.

  • @danielkemp92

    What you find to be offensive is irrelevant. Stick with the arguments.

    You mention religion (specifically, the church) oppressing progress in science; namely, the belief that the earth was flat by tradition.  Galileo was religious himself and although he was rejected by the church for a while, he retained his religion.

    If people were naturally good, then they would create naturally good institutions. The institution of the Church is not the problem, it is the individuals.

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  • @danielkemp92 galileo was not religious he spent his life trying to prove modern science over religion, and his theories about the cosmos got him into trouble with the church and he was put under house arrest after they made him agree to stop working on science, see this is what i mean by religious oppression on science, it has been for years, there are ppl like you that try to say darwin had a change of heart on his death bed, get over yourself and your primitive beliefs

  • @danielkemp92 the church (religion) is not the problem? how jaded are you? every major war and genocide is a direct link to religion, it poisons everything, it seperates people and it makes people racist and intolerant with their claims of divinity, how can you support a religion that lets pedofiles go free after raping deaf kids for years? apparently all you have to do to rape kids is have a religious title

  • Bill is full of hate. Next thing he will do is tell you he knows everything that exists in the universe.How many billions has he given to poor people in times of need?

    Answer = $0. Many religions help starving people every day. There are also people that don't believe in GOD that help people every day. This guy isn't one of them.

  • @P38FORK you're so fucked i dont know where to start... what part of your statement do you want me to prove wrong first? the fact that bill never claims to know everything, in fact his motto is "i dont know" which is more humble than religious morons who claim to know everything based on anecdotes and no scientific evidence, and how everything started before modern science and astronomy... or that religions only give you food if you convert first, you're an enabler of hate, religion=intolerance

  • @mikeyg789

    Are you intolerant of his intolerance? That's self refuting.

  • @danielkemp92 yes, im intolerant of ppl who base their beliefs on no evidence other than word of mouth passed down the generations from PPL who didnt know the earth was round and didnt know about microorganisms or laws of nature or any of the facts they rape with their lies.. many great scientists have had to be pariahs to keep studying the truth and in the 21st century where we found things like the missing link, the human genome and carbon dating, its offensive that ppl are still religious

  • Bill Maher's opinion. The only opinion that truly matters is God's.

  • @ndrummer99 You must be talking about the Flying Spaghetti Monster he's a wonderful god

  • @emailpobox666 Do you know for a fact that God doesn't exist? Can you truthfully say with full certainty that He isn’t there?

  • @ndrummer99 I know vampires fairies leprechauns and god have failed the test for existence by failing to provide any evidence.

  • @ndrummer99 I also know the ridiculous moody angry cartoon like portrayal of a god in the bible fails big time in his utter lack of proof and unworthiness to fill that position