Dunking in those days was daring because men patrolled the lane back then, and the NBA didn't have flagrant foul call . Wilt , Nate, could easily dunk , they weren't giving the opportunity to as players get today. They played each other close body on body, there wasn't very many lanes to the hoop the box was full of bodies . Look at Nate the Great in this Video he's as cut as Howard is now they were strong. men could easily play in today's NBA
But no center would score 100 pts, grab 55 boards, average 50ppg or 27 rpg or never ever foul out today. So there's obviously still an undeniable, humongous gap between the 60's and 90's/2000's basketball.
@yoe91 you're right there is a gap, we're talking 60's . Nate and Wilt were way above average along with Bill Russel. The way the game is called now has changed too: No hand checking now, back then pushing was almost apart of the game. Probably not a lot of the players from Nate's era could play in today's league as they were then. But seeing Nate and Wilt , Russel play live and how they dominated they could play in any era. There are more , Elgin Baylor too; The Big O. Thx for the RE
@tellthetruthg I don't think anybody doubts whether "they could play" in today's game. Of course they could, and they'd be excellent too. But Wilt would never have scored 100 or avgd 50. Big O wouldn't have gotten the triple double. I don't think Tiny Archibald would have gotten the 34ppg+11apg in the same season. Jerry West, Elgin Baylor, Iceman, Rick Barry wouldn't have been such ridiculously prolific scorers.
@garioldwin Size , athleticism , offensive skills , strenght , jumping ability , speed . Wilt had all over Robinson . If that kind of a player managed to score 72 i have no dobut Wilt would have a chance to score 100 . Its just simple logic which you are not using instead youre throwing comments with nothing to back it up .
@garioldwin you won't get argumentation out of me with that attitude. Besides, this conversation is like 3 months old. You think you can just prompt people when desired and they'll have to obey your orders of completing their statements WHILE insulted lol ?!
A - fuck off
B - Wilt had speed over Robinson, ain't that a way to back up your fkn statement.
@yoe91 Why not , your posts are insulting to Wilt and retro nba in general . Wilt ran 10.9 seconds 100 meter dash . I have never heard any 7 foot center in nba history including David Robinson could run below 11 seconds . At least i can back up everything i say compared to you .
@yoe91 It was a different game back then. Today's game is a lot slower-paced and the floor is more spread out because of the 3-pt line. Players from Wilt's time say Wilt would've averaged over 70 pts a game if he played in today's game.
@shutterbugblues that is some of the greatest piece of utter bullshit I've ever heard about anything concerning the NBA...but if some people fancy thinking that, all I can do is avoid them at my best.
@yoe91 So you'd avoid the words of all the people who actually played out there on the court against the best? Phil Jackson has even said that Michael Jordan in his prime would average 50 ppg in today's NBA. Are you gonna say that's bullshit too?
@shutterbugblues MJ could average 50, easily so even, even in his days. He just didn't do it because he was trying to win not just play ball like he's alone on his team - yes, I'm directly thinking of AI...I call him the "Wrong Answer".
But what does that have to do with anything. If you think you can compare MJ's era, to Wilt's versus our era today, then you got a long way to go.
@yoe91 And why do you sound so surprised about that fact? Walt Frazier stated that himself. In today's era of spreading the floor and no hand-checking, Wilt would have his way with anyone today. No 7-footer can move, run, or jump like him. And despite his domination, he's admitted he tried to avoid dunking most of the time, even if it was easy, because he was very self-conscious and didn't want to hurt anyone. As Bill Russell said, he was too nice.
@shutterbugblues David Robinson ran much faster and jumped higher actually, but it's true he's very, very rare in that. What Wilt had was tremendous skill + physical ability but above all, ENDURANCE.
But what kind of a center, I ask you without cracking the least smile, averages 70ppg in today's league my friend ?
@yoe91 What center would average 70 a game today? The answer is NONE. Because the centers today are nothing even compared to what Wilt was. Those who actually watched him play will tell you that also. That was easy to answer, got anything harder?
@yoe91 David Robinson?? He was a good player, but why bring him into this? Despite his 7-ft height and so-called running and leaping ability, much shorter players in NBA history such as Bill Russell, Dennis Rodman, and Ben Wallace have had more impressive rebounding performances.
@tellthetruthg The NBA, in its ultimate stage of development and establishment, really, "really" starts around the 80's. After Dr.J, during Bird Magic. Before that, the stats lie horribly.
@americanaccents Bill Russel was a great defensvie center but championship is a team success and it has little to do with individual brilliance , simple logic . Also Bill Russell could not stop Wilt Chamberlain from scoring while Nate guarded him much much better , actually i have never heard for a Wilt's high scoring game against Thurmond .
@garioldwin I liked his Jumper too. As a passer he's underrated also. Defense he was brutal but a clean player no cheap shots just good body up D. Before break away rims I saw Wilt & Nate both grab the rim and the whole back stand Tires and all came off the ground it shifted I' heard the weight that held the baskets in place was 3,000 lbs. I was a kid watching Giants that were also my hero's so maybe I imagined the whole thing. But what if they really did? It give perspective to the incredible
@AxonMoses Kareem dropped 40+ games on Olajuwon when he was 38 years old easily while Kareem only had one 30+ game on Thurmond scoring 31 on him .In a fact Karem said Thurmond was his toughest opponent in his entire career .By that fact Hakeem cant be a best defensive center of all time .I wont even mention Robinson couse it would be stupid while Thurmond did better against Wilt Chamberlain then Russel so Russel cant be better def player .
doesn't make it any less impressive. Nate did it against the more modern players of the NBA. Wilt against slow small couldn't jump league. Don't get me wrong Wilt would rule right now, but Nate the great was the start of the new age BB player. I saw him at the SF civic against Kareem and more than hold his own. No bs you could see every muscle in his arms to the smallest he was muscle and bone and 6'11" . With a huge competitive heart.
Nate The Great Thurmond, one of the best NBA centers of all time. Wilt and Russell admired him greatly and their games were intense battles. He owns a great BBQ joint in SF and often works the counter himself. "Big Nate's" on Folsom St.
Loved this guy during his playing days - always played Kareem very tough. Played as a rookie with Wilt in the 1964 Championship and then played against him in the 1967 Championship. Once grabbed 18 rebounds in a quarter !! People get excited when a player today grabs 18 in a game.
Agreed. Chamberlain once grabbed 55 rebounds in a game (against Russell and the Celtics, no less), and most teams don't get that many in a game today.
@jakoby24 That is a complete fallacy..check your facts...in addition jakoby, teams then ran fast breaks nearly every play...not this halfcourt bullshit you see today...todays atheletes may be bigger physical specimens overall, but they are poorly conditioned cardiovascular speaking. Id laugh my ass off at Dwight Howard trying to grab a rebound from Wilt or Nate.. dont believe me? Check out Lonnie Shelton or Artis Gilmore..Bob Lanier..etc... David Stern's NBA propaganda factory continues.
@rooseguitar64 Well enlighten me, what is David Stern's NBA propaganda factory? I wanna know what it he is doing, so tell me. And I disagree that players were in better shape back then compared to now, cardiovascularly I think they are the same, athletically players are more gifted nowadays cuz there are just more athletes now compared to back then. Most point guards couldn't dunk back in the day and now its a normal thing for a point guard in the NBA to be able to dunk, some with crazy hops.
I'm sure Cousy could have punched in a few windmills if he felt like it. (And if there were windmills in the 50's). Ha, now I've got that thought in my head.
@rooseguitar64 Ok, I watched many of the players you are reffering to, and without question the athletes of that era with the same training facilities and nutrician supplements would be just as "good" as todays.
In fact. You put an all star team from the 60's or 70's vs a group from today and I would NEVER bet against the old teams. It would shock the kids of today to see what would happen. That era had enough freaks of nature to fill a 12 man roster easily. Add fundamentals, end of story
He and Elgin Baylor had the worst luck. They get traded/retire and then the next year their old team wins the NBA championship...
CoolerKing37 1 day ago
@CoolerKing37
Nate was immortalized in the Top 50 as a Warrior, so ring or no ring, his achievements were recognized by the team.
americanaccents 1 day ago
Gotta love Hubie Brown's speech, it always sounds like he's yelling at someone !
yoe91 6 months ago
Dunking in those days was daring because men patrolled the lane back then, and the NBA didn't have flagrant foul call . Wilt , Nate, could easily dunk , they weren't giving the opportunity to as players get today. They played each other close body on body, there wasn't very many lanes to the hoop the box was full of bodies . Look at Nate the Great in this Video he's as cut as Howard is now they were strong. men could easily play in today's NBA
tellthetruthg 8 months ago
@tellthetruthg it's true, well put.
But no center would score 100 pts, grab 55 boards, average 50ppg or 27 rpg or never ever foul out today. So there's obviously still an undeniable, humongous gap between the 60's and 90's/2000's basketball.
yoe91 6 months ago
@yoe91 you're right there is a gap, we're talking 60's . Nate and Wilt were way above average along with Bill Russel. The way the game is called now has changed too: No hand checking now, back then pushing was almost apart of the game. Probably not a lot of the players from Nate's era could play in today's league as they were then. But seeing Nate and Wilt , Russel play live and how they dominated they could play in any era. There are more , Elgin Baylor too; The Big O. Thx for the RE
tellthetruthg 6 months ago
@tellthetruthg I don't think anybody doubts whether "they could play" in today's game. Of course they could, and they'd be excellent too. But Wilt would never have scored 100 or avgd 50. Big O wouldn't have gotten the triple double. I don't think Tiny Archibald would have gotten the 34ppg+11apg in the same season. Jerry West, Elgin Baylor, Iceman, Rick Barry wouldn't have been such ridiculously prolific scorers.
yoe91 6 months ago
@yoe91 David Robinson scored 72 in the 90's , why wouldnt Wilt score 100 ? Robinson has nothing over Wilt except free throws .
garioldwin 3 months ago
@garioldwin Size , athleticism , offensive skills , strenght , jumping ability , speed . Wilt had all over Robinson . If that kind of a player managed to score 72 i have no dobut Wilt would have a chance to score 100 . Its just simple logic which you are not using instead youre throwing comments with nothing to back it up .
garioldwin 3 months ago
@garioldwin you won't get argumentation out of me with that attitude. Besides, this conversation is like 3 months old. You think you can just prompt people when desired and they'll have to obey your orders of completing their statements WHILE insulted lol ?!
A - fuck off
B - Wilt had speed over Robinson, ain't that a way to back up your fkn statement.
yoe91 3 months ago
@yoe91 Why not , your posts are insulting to Wilt and retro nba in general . Wilt ran 10.9 seconds 100 meter dash . I have never heard any 7 foot center in nba history including David Robinson could run below 11 seconds . At least i can back up everything i say compared to you .
garioldwin 3 months ago
@yoe91 It was a different game back then. Today's game is a lot slower-paced and the floor is more spread out because of the 3-pt line. Players from Wilt's time say Wilt would've averaged over 70 pts a game if he played in today's game.
shutterbugblues 2 months ago
@shutterbugblues that is some of the greatest piece of utter bullshit I've ever heard about anything concerning the NBA...but if some people fancy thinking that, all I can do is avoid them at my best.
yoe91 2 months ago
@yoe91 So you'd avoid the words of all the people who actually played out there on the court against the best? Phil Jackson has even said that Michael Jordan in his prime would average 50 ppg in today's NBA. Are you gonna say that's bullshit too?
shutterbugblues 2 months ago
@shutterbugblues MJ could average 50, easily so even, even in his days. He just didn't do it because he was trying to win not just play ball like he's alone on his team - yes, I'm directly thinking of AI...I call him the "Wrong Answer".
But what does that have to do with anything. If you think you can compare MJ's era, to Wilt's versus our era today, then you got a long way to go.
Wilt wouldn't score 50ppg in MJ's era.
yoe91 2 months ago
@yoe91 And why do you sound so surprised about that fact? Walt Frazier stated that himself. In today's era of spreading the floor and no hand-checking, Wilt would have his way with anyone today. No 7-footer can move, run, or jump like him. And despite his domination, he's admitted he tried to avoid dunking most of the time, even if it was easy, because he was very self-conscious and didn't want to hurt anyone. As Bill Russell said, he was too nice.
shutterbugblues 2 months ago
@shutterbugblues David Robinson ran much faster and jumped higher actually, but it's true he's very, very rare in that. What Wilt had was tremendous skill + physical ability but above all, ENDURANCE.
But what kind of a center, I ask you without cracking the least smile, averages 70ppg in today's league my friend ?
yoe91 2 months ago
@yoe91 What center would average 70 a game today? The answer is NONE. Because the centers today are nothing even compared to what Wilt was. Those who actually watched him play will tell you that also. That was easy to answer, got anything harder?
shutterbugblues 1 month ago
@shutterbugblues hehe oooooooooooooooh !!...
yoe91 1 month ago
@yoe91 David Robinson?? He was a good player, but why bring him into this? Despite his 7-ft height and so-called running and leaping ability, much shorter players in NBA history such as Bill Russell, Dennis Rodman, and Ben Wallace have had more impressive rebounding performances.
shutterbugblues 1 month ago
@tellthetruthg The NBA, in its ultimate stage of development and establishment, really, "really" starts around the 80's. After Dr.J, during Bird Magic. Before that, the stats lie horribly.
yoe91 6 months ago
@yoe91 Mind you please explain that ? I mean if youre gonna be smart you need to back it up .
garioldwin 3 months ago
@yoe91 What kind of a gap are you talking about ?
garioldwin 3 months ago
This guy is probably the greatest defensive center ever .
garioldwin 1 year ago
@garioldwin
There was also this guy........won 11 championships.......wore a green jersey. Just throwing it out there.
americanaccents 1 year ago 4
@americanaccents Bill Russel was a great defensvie center but championship is a team success and it has little to do with individual brilliance , simple logic . Also Bill Russell could not stop Wilt Chamberlain from scoring while Nate guarded him much much better , actually i have never heard for a Wilt's high scoring game against Thurmond .
garioldwin 1 year ago 4
@garioldwin I liked his Jumper too. As a passer he's underrated also. Defense he was brutal but a clean player no cheap shots just good body up D. Before break away rims I saw Wilt & Nate both grab the rim and the whole back stand Tires and all came off the ground it shifted I' heard the weight that held the baskets in place was 3,000 lbs. I was a kid watching Giants that were also my hero's so maybe I imagined the whole thing. But what if they really did? It give perspective to the incredible
tellthetruthg 4 months ago
@garioldwin
Olajuwon, Robinson and Russell might disagree
AxonMoses 3 weeks ago
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garioldwin 3 weeks ago
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@AxonMoses Kareem dropped 40+ games on Olajuwon when he was 38 years old easily while Kareem only had one 30+ game on Thurmond scoring 31 on him .In a fact Karem said Thurmond was his toughest opponent in his entire career .By that fact Hakeem cant be a best defensive center of all time .I wont even mention Robinson couse it would be stupid while Thurmond did better against Wilt Chamberlain then Russel so Russel cant be better def player .
garioldwin 3 weeks ago
This is what Greg Oden will become. One of the best defense centers who couldn't stay healthy.
MisterBinx 1 year ago
doesn't make it any less impressive. Nate did it against the more modern players of the NBA. Wilt against slow small couldn't jump league. Don't get me wrong Wilt would rule right now, but Nate the great was the start of the new age BB player. I saw him at the SF civic against Kareem and more than hold his own. No bs you could see every muscle in his arms to the smallest he was muscle and bone and 6'11" . With a huge competitive heart.
tellthetruthg 1 year ago
And while, yes, Nate Thurmond has the first "official" quadruple-double, I'm sure Wilt achieved that feat over 100 times in his career.
americanaccents 3 years ago
I'd love to go back in time and see Wilt lock up with Nate--great battles of classic big men.
jongreek 3 years ago
Nate The Great Thurmond, one of the best NBA centers of all time. Wilt and Russell admired him greatly and their games were intense battles. He owns a great BBQ joint in SF and often works the counter himself. "Big Nate's" on Folsom St.
jongreek 3 years ago
Really, he still owns it? I was reading about that joint in a book called "Wilt, 1962".
americanaccents 3 years ago
It's been awhile since I been in there, but he started it and it's named after him. A cool dude, and his hot sauce will floor you.
jongreek 3 years ago
Loved this guy during his playing days - always played Kareem very tough. Played as a rookie with Wilt in the 1964 Championship and then played against him in the 1967 Championship. Once grabbed 18 rebounds in a quarter !! People get excited when a player today grabs 18 in a game.
ddenuci 3 years ago
Agreed. Chamberlain once grabbed 55 rebounds in a game (against Russell and the Celtics, no less), and most teams don't get that many in a game today.
americanaccents 3 years ago
@americanaccents well wasn't it alot easier to accomplish this feat, with the players from that era being shorter and all.
jakoby24 1 year ago
@jakoby24 That is a complete fallacy..check your facts...in addition jakoby, teams then ran fast breaks nearly every play...not this halfcourt bullshit you see today...todays atheletes may be bigger physical specimens overall, but they are poorly conditioned cardiovascular speaking. Id laugh my ass off at Dwight Howard trying to grab a rebound from Wilt or Nate.. dont believe me? Check out Lonnie Shelton or Artis Gilmore..Bob Lanier..etc... David Stern's NBA propaganda factory continues.
rooseguitar64 1 year ago
@rooseguitar64 Well enlighten me, what is David Stern's NBA propaganda factory? I wanna know what it he is doing, so tell me. And I disagree that players were in better shape back then compared to now, cardiovascularly I think they are the same, athletically players are more gifted nowadays cuz there are just more athletes now compared to back then. Most point guards couldn't dunk back in the day and now its a normal thing for a point guard in the NBA to be able to dunk, some with crazy hops.
jakoby24 1 year ago
@jakoby24
I'm sure Cousy could have punched in a few windmills if he felt like it. (And if there were windmills in the 50's). Ha, now I've got that thought in my head.
americanaccents 1 year ago
@americanaccents really?
jakoby24 1 year ago
@jakoby24
Who dunked in the 50s? Not even Mikan did, and he was 6'10". Dunking just wasn't part of basketball in Cousy's day.
americanaccents 1 year ago
@rooseguitar64 Ok, I watched many of the players you are reffering to, and without question the athletes of that era with the same training facilities and nutrician supplements would be just as "good" as todays.
In fact. You put an all star team from the 60's or 70's vs a group from today and I would NEVER bet against the old teams. It would shock the kids of today to see what would happen. That era had enough freaks of nature to fill a 12 man roster easily. Add fundamentals, end of story
DAVWAVE 9 months ago