Steve Coleman - 05 - Law Of Balance

[speedskis777]

I'd say 12

[testostetron]

it's in 15/8, with steve's clave setting up the grouping 2+2+3+2+3+3, (hitting 1 rest 2 rest 3 and rest 1 rest 2 and rest 3 and rest)

[testostetron]

@testostetron atleast at first the head does somethin different

[xapacem1]

anga diaz on congas! good!

[begruikersnaam]

for everyone that likes this rhythm, check out the last call from jaco- aka moon, it is in 7.5 (or 15 if you like), 6 and 10 at the same time (a great band from belgium, the founder of aka moon(nasa na back than) actually played and recorded with the young coleman and introduced him to the balanced harmony concepts...)

[MrJoeFlat]

after seeing the number of clicks, I'm obliged to think that the mass of the world is unsensual

[bears588]

love the rhythm very odd but nice

[mcufre]

Isnt that clave at the beggining the same pattern as in first circle of pat metheny? does that have a specific name?

[EuphoricImpact]

Steve is underrated. He is a musical wizard. Tour Steve tour!

[camelloarenas]

ufffff.....great..

[ExperimentoUrbano]

Great Music!

[mnose]

No. It's a 15 beat over a 12. Bass and drums are playing a 3 bar phrase in 4/4. Piano is playing the 15/4 phrase.

These cycles meet again after five 3 bar phrases in 4/4 (60 beats)

They are the rhythm people, indeed.

[vasikgreif]

@mnose It definitely is 5/4 with triplets, just read the discussion bellow and look where steve taps the beats...

[rodolfoster]

Sounds like 5/4 with triplets

[maidoodesu]

very nice !  です.

[ChildovGhad]

I love the timings they use. If you think their timing patterns are strange, try listening to some King Crimson...

[Grillmouth]

crimson are relatively accessible in comparison to colemans 'cyclic' playing, cycles of 23 over a 7 or something, just whacked.

although discipline is an awesome kc song!

[mingusman84]

Pretty sure this one is a Pythagorean arrangement of rhythm - 3/4/5. He's talked about this arrangement in his master classes and in his writings.

[vasikgreif]

Could you please explain this? I don't hear the 3 there... Bass on 8, Drums 4, Cowbel + Piano 5...???

[mingusman84]

the pulse is in triple time. if you need proof, look at how steve and sean are nodding to the music.

[vasikgreif]

That's what I wrote in one of my comments below...:-) I thought you mean there is some part on three beats...

[Mossey5]

I think the clave part is really a hoax, maybe to add texture, cos it doesn't seem to add up!

[vasikgreif]

What do you mean by clave part? I don't hear any clave there...

[digimaton]

Clave is not always simply 3/2, 2/3, Rumba, Son, Bossa Nova etc.

Clave (key) can be any bell pattern that functions as an underlying rhythmic key, there are many types of clave, in fact you can invent your own, but other known bell patterns include Gahu, Soukous, Bembe, Shiko, Juju, there are many more, take a look online.

[vasikgreif]

Edit: Steve enters on sax one triplet later than the bassist, and the bassist meets him then... That means the bassist entered incorrectly at first... Correct?

[vasikgreif]

Well, I'm sure the whole thing is subdived by triplets, just look at Steve where he taps beats... That means the basic groove on cowbell + congas is in 5/4. The drums play the groove you told (thanks), that means a quite simple rhythm in 4/4...

[Mossey5]

Counting in eighth notes the clave is in 15/8. Drums are in 6/4 - Start counting 6s on the downbeats from 1.08 and you'll hear it. Its an accent on beat 1, 2 and the upbeat of 5 but he really plays around with it. Love this tune

[Mossey5]

Actually the whole pattern is something like 12/4 on the drums - ties in with the bass line 24/8 thing

[vasikgreif]

From what I can say, the groove on bell really is on 15, the bass player plays on 7+8+9=24 beats... The trick is that the whole thing isn't subdivided by eights, but by triplets - you can see this by watching the bassist and Steve, how they feel the rhythm. I have no idea what time the drummer plays in though, so I think it is more complex than just two meters..:-) Love this music...

[TimTambo]

Dancing girl makes it super groovy !!! Freak out.

[beakwithteeth]

Good God what time is this in?

[jazzvec]

If I am counting well it`s 15/8 meter. sick :-).

[iamstu1442]

@beakwithteeth 40

clave in 5

melody and bass/drums/piano in 8

[iamstu1442]

my bad, piano is playing the clave in 5

[bajerovaquero]

@iamstu1442 I would say they are playing in 15/8 I dont feel the triplet as suggest your 5 but more like 6/4 plus 3/8

[consolidated0100]

@beakwithteeth depends what instrument you listen to



[mbase1235]

I believe its Oct 23 1996, maybe at the Chapiteau de la Pepiniere - Steve Coleman (as) Andy Milne (pn) David Dyson (bs) Sean Rickman (dm) Miguel Anga Diaz (pc) Rosangela Silvestre (dance)

[wildmanhawkes]

Great groove!

[Stanfordstandout]

lol

People

[billycanty]

you are very dumb and closed minded. I will pray for you.

[krullerhof]

I'm entitled to my opinion and my own preferences. As for you calling me dumb, no comment.

[burnettmusic]

Steve Coleman is perhaps the "Louis Armstrong", "Duke Ellington", "Charlie Parker", "Miles Davis" and "John Coltrane" of the 21st Century... Thanks for posting this ocncert! Peace, Cb

[billycanty]

I agree!

[pgonzo98]

anga,dyson,rickman,milne.....

[kofianonym]

isn't this the song called "Law of Balance" ? from the "The Opening of the Way" Album? Great track otherwise

peace

[kax61]

Steve Coleman's the one. Great video, thanks.

[mirak63]

that's 1995 in Nancy

I think

I did a playlist of the full concert by the way

[losflippos]

no, it's october 1996, but thanks for posting anyway

[Piracine]

cool! i 'll say concert in the late 90'S