Chomsky decides the government would be nuts to pull a stunt like 9-11 but wouldn't the gulf of Tonkin incident be considered crazy also using this same type of mind set? I know Chomsky was anti vietnam war and must agree that the Tonkin incident was admittedly fabricated. How long did it take for that to completely come out? So labeling 9-11 to be too crazy for our government to pull off is obviously that is not the case. False flags truely do exist.
@bahutachcha Yeah you're right. If any top intellectual disagrees with what you think about 9/11 they're being paid millions of dollars by the CIA in a totally banal cover-up that accomplishes nothing. He couldn't have arrived at a conclusion like this on his own, just like millions of other rational human beings have, because anyone smart must either agree with you or be labeled as a shill.
if a "funded" terrorist organization (be it alquaeda or some paramilitary group or WHOMEVER) could execute their plan to drop the twin towers, why WOULDN'T one of the worlds most sophisticated and powerful governments be able to?
the marginal income tax rate in 2013 will be changed to 67%. google it and become an expat. everyone should. the u s of a is a lost cause unfortunately.
@chinopisces bullshit...chomsky is a disinfo agent and you Chomsky zombies are fucking blind and not willing to open your eyes to facts...you are all like teenboppers of the 50s creaming in their skirts over Elvis.
I am not even commenting on the "Chomsky Disinfo agent" idea. But what I am going to say is that his comments on 9/11 simply don't stack up. No matter what you think of 9/11, there are still glaring inconsistencies in the story. There have been people to speak out about the peripheral events and all of there accounts point to some kind of corporate and government corruption. Which is surprising because Chomsky has been a great help in activism.
No one has to "play it back until it is" he put that KEY statement forward, showing who he really is.
The elites have subverted progressive movements before with controlled assets. They did it \prior to the Russian revolution, prior to Hitler coming to power.
wake the fuck up...the mainstream and alternative media are controlled by the white chrisitian ruling elite
@EmilyGreene1984 Religious people are fucking retards. All of them. Because there's an invisible man watching over you in the sky. Get fucking real. God would be watching out for your ass. There wouldn't be hunger in the world and he would make sure there's a roof over your head. Maybe there is a god but he doesn't give a fuck about you. Probably gave up on this species long ago.
@Dymdez If you investigate and try to research what Chomsky has been saying and then verify it according to the truth - one discovers he has stated quite a bit of misinformation.
boi187 wrote:Do you honestly believe that anyone with half a brain ......Bush ..... teleprompter .... Nope, I believe that he was trained to act stupid in front of the camera,I do agree that he is just a front man,he reminded me of Reagan (played by Phil Hartman on Saturday night Live ! ) he was dumb around the public,but very much the crook in the White House,looking for a war to start somewhere in the world.
nealkassanoff wrote; Chomsky thinks that the President is the big man (on campus)calling the shots,well it's not so obvious to me? Chomsky states that since the end of WWll all U.S.President have committed war crimes(probaly)aganist humanity and should be held to the same conditions that was at the Nuremberg Trials,and he also states that all of our Presidents go thru a vetting process that assures obediance.
@k9a2g6 You just contradicted yourself. You said that Chomsky thinks that the President is the big man on campus (when he doesn’t think that at all), then you later said that he states that all Presidents go through a vetting process to assure obedience. I am not having a go at you I am simply pointing out your contradiction. Peace. Obviously the President does not call all of the shots, for example (and a very good one):
@boi187 Reread it,I wrote-nealassanoff wrote:"Chomsky thinks that the President is the big man (on campus) " These are not my words,I did not contradict myself ! - I typed "well it's not so obvious to me ? then I repeated what Chomsky wrote in his book "Hegamony or Survial".
@k9a2g6 Do you honestly believe that anyone with half a working brain really thinks that George W Bush was calling all of the shots when he was President when he can not even tie his own shoes or read a teleprompter etc? Just saying... He messed up America but he was just the front-man, a puppet.
"Dividing the debate over what really happened on 9/11 into rational and irrational is a nice sleight of hand trick used by propagandists that is meant to fool naive and clueless people who believe in science and rationality, but are not independent thinkers, so that when they're told that something is unscientific and incorrect they take it at face value, and don't do any serious research into the topic on their own." (from the Truth Excavator Blog).
@k9a2g6 One of the most obvious lines of disinfo pushed by Chomsky is that the President really is the big man calling the shots. Kennedy was brought in to be a puppet and was surrounded by the puppet master faithful, so of course there was documentation full of war plans and imperial aims. The evidence shows, nonetheless, that he was pushing back against some of the completely insane plans that they had in store for him.
@nealkassanoff You just contradicted yourself. You said that Chomsky thinks that the President is the big man on campus (when he doesn’t think that at all), then you later said that he states that all Presidents go through a vetting process to assure obedience. I am not having a go at you I am simply pointing out your contradiction. Peace. Obviously the President does not call all of the shots, for example (and a very good one):
@nealkassanoff Do you honestly believe that anyone with half a working brain really thinks that George W Bush was calling all of the shots when he was President when he can not even tie his own shoes or read a teleprompter etc? Just saying... He messed up America but he was just the front-man, a puppet.
@boi187 RE: GW Oh, I completely agree with you. I think that GW had his life threatened on the day of 911. Whoever did this, I don't think they included GW in their plans except to give him the ultimatum of fronting for the policies ahead.
@nealkassanoff You say that Kennedy was pushimg back ...insane plans....- OK,Take a deep breath and read about where JFK was prior to his assassination < He was giving a speech at Fort Hood -Texas,the whole speech is on YouTube and then read "Rethinking Camalot"by Noam Chomsky.
Exposed because he thinks 911 "truth" is a waste of time? Hell, then I'm a NWO asset too lol. It's a time that could be spent actually accomplishing something...sad.
@kensei85 Yeah, its one thing to keep your mouth shut. But Chomsky seems to always be on the ready to debunk. He was practically a debunking megaphone after O. Stone's Kennedy movie. I have trouble believing that a tenured professor at one of the greatest institutions of the military industrial complex is actually a dissenter.
His strongest point was that this "movement" is "diverting energy from serious issues."
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It has been nearly ten years: the 9/11 president enjoyed two terms, the administration have become rich & retired, million dollar contracts have been awarded and filled by defence companies here and abroad, and laws have been passed restricting civil rights...*AND TODAY* the Tea Party effects more political change than the "truth" movement.
@hgh778 What happened to that truth-movement-free Anti-war Movement? It died because they didn't go to the heart of the matter which was the false premise of the war, the official story of 911.
@nealkassanoff some of the most intelligent people are often the most indoctrinated, hard headed and narrow-minded. Just because you disagree with him on a couple of issues does not make him disinfo, nor does it make him a liar or a pro-NWO shill. He has his reasons for believing what he does, like we all do, and he makes mistakes, like we all do. He has done a great deal for human rights and anti-war movements. I daresay he won't touch the "big conspiracy" as that would destroy his credibility.
@kensei85 I appreciate your opinion, but nonetheless disagree. I think that what you offer is a valid possibility, and is probably the truth about many people with high positions in academia, govt, etc... With Chomsky, however, he has staked his reputation on speaking fearlessly. I have read many of his books, as I was once a follower, and I see a discernible pattern. He blames all on "the state" and "the corporation". Notions of puppet masters or a shadow govt are summarily dismissed.
@nealkassanoff don't get me wrong, I disagree with him on these issues and agree with you, that the official stories of both 9/11 and the JFK assassination are complete fabrications, but I honestly think he's done too much pro-liberty/peace work to be a part of the NWO.
The best advice I could give anyone is to trust NOBODY and verify everything for yourself... as I said, everyone, even professors and geniuses make mistakes.
@kensei85 I agree with Webster Tarpley that there can be no anti war movement without 911 truth. Whatever the motives, whatever the intention of Chomsky and others... his voice, along with Soros-funded Move On dot Org have been instrumental in preventing this issue from being a centerpiece of an anti war platform. 911 Truth is no distraction. It is the achilles heel of an imperial war machine abroad and the police state at home. Just my opinion.
@Freshtymer Most people now know that the "9/11 Truth Movement (Truthers)" are a complete and total joke! The name is so ironic that it is even somewhat comedic in its essence. Keep on ignoring, distorting, bending, twisting, and in some cases even making up, the facts. If you want to believe a load of debunked (about 1million times over) garbage then go ahead, make my day!
@boi187 Listen, I didn't go into this believing 9/11 was an inside job. After researching the topic and weighing both sides of the argument, I've come to the conclusion that 9/11 was a false flag military operation. You believe whatever you want to believe. I simply can't ignore a voluminous amount of facts and eye witness testimony which indicate that the official story is full of so many holes you could fly a fleet of C-130s through it.
@Freshtymer Hang on a second you are now implying that you do not think that 9/11 was an inside job but you are saying that it was a false flag military operation? Or how about some Muslim Extremists hijacked some planes and flew them into some buildings... The whole caveman theory is ridiculous when you research into Osama Bin Ladens family, wealth, history in Afghanistan, and terrorist attacks worldwide. Don’t rely on conspiracy websites for facts because you will not find many.
@boi187 "Inside job," can mean a lot of things. It's really too vague to describe an adequate description of the events that day. Like I said, I've come to the conclusion that what happened on that day was a complex false flag military operation. I never said Muslim extremists didn't hijack planes or weren't involved in any way. I never said anything about any "caveman theory." Stop using straw-man arguments and making assumptions about what I think happened on that day.
@kensei85 The whole molten steel drama has been debunked already! You must only search and research other conspiracy websites for your information. Pathetic...
@boi187 back up your pathetic statements you retard- debunk it! Why was molten steel pulled out from the rubble of WTC 1, 2 and 7, several weeks after 9/11?
Try not to claim it was not steel (bullshit) and try not to claim it was from a jet fuel fire (more bullshit).
@kensei85 Yet again you ignore. Ignoring is what 9/11 Truthers do best. All of your theories considering molten (LOL) bullshit whatever have been debunked. Why should I waste more time on you? Take the SCIENTIFIC approach... Nutjob. Research your 'molten' theory and then get back to me. Thank you.
@boi187 how about you stop making false assumptions about me? Answer my question! I have researched this for 10 years from all angles and nothing explains the molten steel other than thermite. It hasn't been debunked, there were false claims that it was not steel and that jet fuel caused it to melt. Thanks for saying I deserve to be shot for examining the evidence & making an informed decision. Also, of course I know AJ is disinfo, his channel banned me and deleted my comments for exposing him.
@kensei85 It has all been debunked. This is like running around in circles while hitting my head up against a wall. You are a retard, why don't you go and fact-check that statement and see what you come up with...
@boi187 just because you say it has been debunked doesn't make it so. Jesus fucking Christ talking to you is like talking to a dumber-than-average brick wall. Go on, debunk it you stupid fuck head- I'm waiting. Surely if you can't back up one single word you've said, everything you've spewed must clearly be bullshit.
Why was molten steel pulled out from the rubble of WTC 1, 2 and 7, several weeks after 9/11?
@TopSideUp Go and see what 99% of the demolition experts around the globe say, then get back to me, and then try and get back to reality. I honestly feel sorry for your stupidity; it is a real shame... Do you know how many months upon months and how many demolition experts upon demolition experts it would require to demolish the Twin Towers and WTC7? Please keep your sanity for your own sake. None of the buildings even collapsed freefall.
@boi187 im not goign to argue about this, its just basic physics that doesn't require an engineer to figure out.. and I have no clue where you get this idea that none of the buildings fell at free fall, i mean that's absolutely preposterous. Watch building 7 for yourself. I dont need you to tell me about my sanity, im perfectly sane. your 99 experts statistic is purely made up. Jesse ventura is a demolitions expert, and there are many others who arent famous who testify in documentaries. WTC7
@TopSideUp You are seriously deluded and extremely warped at the moment. Just take a look at what it would take and the amount of people that would have to be involved in this conspiracy for it to work, it is complete madness! I hope you will come back to reality sooner or later. The controlled demolition theory has been debunked over a million times over already. debunking911(dot)com
@TopSideUp Also if you watch the full collapse of WTC7 you will quickly see for yourself that the building did not fall freefall. All the footage of the WTC7 collapse on conspiracy documentaries etc only show the last few seconds of the collapse, they all miss out and deny the viewer form seeing the whole collapse including the collapse of the penthouses etc, see I bet you have never even heard of the WTC7 penthouses etc have you?
@boi187 and hell yeah ive seent the penthous collapse, thats IN documentaries as more proof. but dude why do you waste your time here, i dont even know what your goal is your not going to convince anyone otherwise, we all can see for our own eyes three buildings become completely pulverized. BuildingwhatXorg
@TopSideUp I flirted with the idea myself once not too long ago after watching a few of the Conspiracy Theorists documentaries but then I actually fact checked the information they had provided and watched some documentaries that thoroughly debunk the claims of the Conspiracy Theorists and I have been firmly rooted in the ground on the truth ever since.
@boi187 you are really going off here about this, i have no clue why you are so destined to marginalize me without even presenting one single fact, weird. you are just blabbering off at the mouth. After ignorantly claiming WTC7 wasnt freefall collapse, where the enrgey come from? I've never seen a building collapse that beautifully because of a few short lived fires, Even the people on the commission are slowly commign out saying the whole thing was a coverup. You've probably done ZERO research.
@TopSideUp The Conspiracy Theorists pick out and choose small anomalies and inconsistencies in the official story and then blow it up to maximum proportions, they bend and twist facts in order to try and fit their Conspiracy Theory and they routinely ignore and look over blatant facts that disprove their Conspiracy Theory.
@kensei85 Now you have really lost me. Have you any rationale whatsoever? You seriously need a reality check. Please for your own sake just go and research 9/11 from all sides. After you have researched 9/11 from all possible angles then get back to me.
@kensei85 If you still think that it was an inside job after all of your research then you are so dumb and retarded that you deserve to be shot; maybe depopulation is a good idea after all. Peace ;) I guess that my comments amount to a conspiracy now in your eyes… LOL!!!
@kensei85 Also: You do realise that Alex Jones is a disinformation agent? Please say it is not so? LOL! I can not even believe that I am wasting my time on you; Alex Jones is the biggest of Zionist Shills that has ever come out of the disinformation community. Take a reality check pal...
@Freshtymer You should check out the confessions of an ex-truther or maybe even research 9/11 for yourself or if you are too lazy to do that then simply watch all of the scientific and other films and documentary’s that debunk each and every one of the 9/11 truthers claims and theories one at a time and go even further in most cases.
@boi187 firefighters pulled molten steel out of the debris of WTC 1, 2 and 7, several WEEKS after 9/11, describing it as "like a foundry". As everyone knows by now, it is impossible for jet fuel to melt steel.
I expect the "debunking" of this claims it was some other metal, like aluminium, which ignores WTC7, the fact that steel poles were pulled out with the ends dripping off, and the photos taken of the diagonally-cut support columns with slithers of where the once melted steel had solidified.
@kensei85 Typical 9/11 retard; do you really believe that controlled demolitions were used even after all of the debunking of WTC7? All I want you to do is answer me that question and it will save me a lot of time. Do you know how many months and how many demolition experts it would take to knock down the twin towers? The theory has been debunked through science, fact, and even pictures. Get back to reality and you might find yourself a woman...
@kensei85 Most people now know that the "9/11 Truth Movement (Truthers)" are a complete and total joke! The name is so ironic that it is even somewhat comedic in its essence. Keep on ignoring, distorting, bending, twisting, and in some cases even making up, the facts. If you want to believe a load of debunked (about 1million times over) garbage then go ahead, make my day!
@kensei85 You should check out the confessions of an ex-truther or maybe even research 9/11 for yourself or if you are too lazy to do that then simply watch all of the scientific and other films and documentary’s that debunk each and every one of the 9/11 truthers claims and theories one at a time and go even further in most cases.
Regardless of the movement--they cease because there are not enough people who act. Few protest, write our congressmen, or take other avenues of political dissent...We're too busy; working overtime, shopping, watching American fvcking Idol. We are uneducated and politically-misinformed...
@hgh778 If we roll over and presume that the worst of humanity will prevail, our defeat is guaranteed. I'll take the calculated odds and keep speaking my mind with friends, acquaintances and strangers. There's a quote about setting brushfires in the minds of men that comes to mind.
a jealous husband blew jfk's head off, somehow got the warren commision to totally cover it up, and thats why 911 couldnt be an inside job? hmmm.
911 couldnt have been a conspiracy because it would have leaked? noam, it did. some of the folks who knew it are dead now, just like the real grassy knoll 'jealous husbands'
I´m sure Noam knows the truth, but dares not speak it, cause he wants to live. Anyway, at first I was shocked,too, but he has got a point: it doesn`t make a difference to those who have died, and all living are free to think what they want and are expicitly asked to condemn the actions (or "reactions"9 in the wake of 9/11.
And this is, what we all should concentrate our power on! Resist in any way we can.
Chomsky makes a point about this a long time ago. If the New World Order is actually this power...we might as well give up. I for one welcome our New World Overlords...I'm sure they'll do a better job ruling us than anyone who believes this ridiculous crap.
I think what he means is If the government was involved in 911 then it should be thought of as an example on an extremely long list of mass murders against a global exploited class with the exception that they’re not open about this one. All these fears of what the government might do are already being done to us; a borderless, non-ruling class. All the proof you need to provoke fundamental restructuring is right on the front page everyday if its interpreted from an anarchical perspective.
I´m sure Noam knows the truth, but dares not speak it, cause he wants to live. Anyway, at first I was shocked,too, but he has got a point: it doesn`t make a difference to those who have died, and all living are free to think what they want and are expicitly asked to condemn the actions (or "reactions"9 in the wake of 9/11.
And this is, what we all should concentrate our power on! Resist in any way we can. And he has exposed many atrocities in history to undermine this pledge!
To hear Noam say "and even if they're true (911 theories), who cares?" is the quantitative dismissal of his entire career in the field of critical thought and analysis. It's pretty clear that this man has been compromised and is covering his own behind from here on out.
I understand why the conspiracy theorists would be mad at Chomsky for completely destroying their silly position that Sept 11th was an inside job. They have been running around telling anybody who will listen to their stupid theories to try and feel like they are smarter than every body else, but Chomsky is bang on with every point he makes. The best of all is when he said even it were true who cares. It's diverting the attention from the real things that matter. Get an education.
right on lots of people getting killed everyday,wrong to let any killers ever slip away, especially without mental heatlh treatment,the same "thing" that took down jfk takes down more everyday and in lots of ways, its called evil. until it is stopped, more good will drop. who is to blame? those that look the other way. j
yeah hes an operative. "Its almost certain it would have leaked" Get real. That's not even logical. How do you know? You only know the things that did leak, not the things that didn't. Even Rumsfeld knows that. Furthermore it did leak.
Hmmm... I thought it would be obvious considering hes a frothing advocate of communism while he pretends to be an anarchist, spreads lies to draw people into a statist agenda and draws his paycheck directly from the US government. It's called COINTELPRO. Look into it.
You can always tell who the government operatives are. Theyre the ones claiming that the solution to the government is more government.
Look: me you and chomsky would learn nothing new about our leaders if we found evidence they did this. That is a given. Chomsky doesn't see the point in chasing conspiracy ghosts when so much hard evidence of stuff they even admit to doing is right there in front of our faces and totally unknown. He praises the UN only in comparison to corporate tyranny: Govt, while not great, is better than unelected + unaccountable private power
chomsky's profile for his future society is not synonymous with the nwo's apparent profile. chomsky's profile is of a loosefederation of communities the world over sharing information & resources without bias through a global community. and global community i do not mean globalization because this would be w/o the back drop of the military/ industry/banking conglomerate. dont reach on this subject real truthers take this subject very seriously. the desperity in the profiles is obvious.
@steviewonder417 While Chomsky spouts platitudes about the "global community" he goes to great lengths to deny the anatomy of the New World Order. He offers unqualified praise of the UN (maintaining that US bullying thwarts its benevolent design) and unqualified denial that the British Roundtable Groups (CFR, RIAA) have any power.
After much consideration I too have concluded that Chomsky is just a propagandist for the British Monarchy and their various "American" fronts including MIT, Princeton, Yale; the Rockefeller Foundation, Carnegie Endowment for Peace, Ford Foundation, American Enterprise Institute, Mont Pelerin Society, the Royal Institute for International Affairs, Council on Foreign Relations, the IMF, World Bank, World Wildlife Fund, and the United Nations.
@PrincessShittyBottom Yes, he appears to be an incredibly skilled propagandist. He gives a lot of useful information coupled with misdirection at key points. Thing is, the NWO plays with fire when they use operatives like Chomsky. They take a risk when the presume they can partially inform those asking questions. Chances are we'll keep asking questions to get the full story.
how do you know that chomsky is 'an agent of the nwo'? even if the nwo is true, how do you know chomsky is not just someone who doesn't believe in the nwo, but not necessarily is 'an agent' of it?
So a man who wants to abolish the state, hierarchy and elitism is actually an agent working for an elite who wants to establish a global dictatorship...
Hmm, this logic seems... COMPLETELY FLAWLESS 1112!@!!!!!@1!!! HURURUR UERUERU
I never looked at it this way, but it seems you are completely right after all. Forgive me for dissagreeing with you, you persued me, your argument "here here" is flawless. Anyone who opposes is an idiot. Thanks.
all of you are mad, i know. He knows guys. he knows about war games. Give it up chomsky. We care and so do you. that event changed everything. Chomsky you said it yourself, there were no leaks in this extremely porous system, what does that tell us. IF IM TO DIE A LITTLE GIVE IT UP!
thank you leonidas3888 Who cares I CARE... That such a smart man would even say such a cold heart statement only means maybe one thing -------someone must have a gun to his head
Yeah who cares if the our President was involved in 911. Or if our government assassinated Kennedy. Its irrelevant. Uhh pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!
Shame on you Chomsky, cant believe you had me. : (
The arguments and rationales he offers here are inconsistent with traditional Chomsky critical thinking...obviously so. So obvious in fact, one might reason that the blatantly feeble arguments he offers here is his covert way of saying to us that he is under the watchful eye of big brother and is speaking under the duress of threats and intimidation. Maybe not, maybe I'm being naive. But I honestly expected him to be 'discarded of' long ago.
Haha, I was waiting for him to mention JFK to sink himself, and he did!
The evidence on JFK is 100x better than the 911 evidence, the best one is how JFK's head rolls backwards and appears to be hit from the front when Lee Harvey Oswald was supposedly behind him. I mean the JFK assassination is full of plain obvious evidence that the official story is false. "Who cares", wow.. the implications are huge.
He is just being smart... he is being practical, there are enough evidences to hang all of the administrations for the last 30 years, why bother to try go there as it's complicated to prove beyond any reasonable doubt, where you already have condemnations form the International court of justice. So if you wanted to do it, yo could already condemn them, regardless of 911.
Noam Chomsky is a very intelligent man but completely dismisses the role of elites as puppetmasters....almost like he is blatently protecting the global elites.
It is bizarre how a guy can be so right on some things and so wrong in the face of overwhelming evidence on another related thing. The more I look into it the more I lose respect I once had in spades for him.
What Chomsky said makes more sense than any NWO rant i have ever heard which are always full of fake and forced information, zero evidence and a self sustaining doctrine of conspiracy that you can't attempt to criticize without being called "one of them".
@Diosibundo FACTS DO NOT CEASE TO EXIST BECAUSE THEY ARE IGNORED. - ALDOUS HUXLEY
I'm sorry that your level of discernment is at the level of a 3rd grader. Maybe you should stop watching cartoons and do some research before you label me as a "conspiracy nut."
Yep, I AM at the level of a 3rd grader. Im actually MAKING cartoons, not wathing them you dope!
So.... what fact exactly are you talking about? That 9/11 was an inside job between Bush and the Aliens or that Obama is Kenyan Nazi Socialist Death Paneler?
@Diosibundo How about the fact that nano-thermite was found in the debris of the three buildings that collapsed that day. How about no concrete steel reinforced building has ever collapsed due to fire in the history of civilization. How about the fact that building 7 wasn't even hit by a plane yet collapsed into it's own footprint at free fall speed. How about reports of multiple explosions by hundreds of first responders and people that were actually there that day. How about 1000's of......
Ok, look.... everything you are citing Ive only heard superficially, and Ive heard it debunked (again, superficially, so I cant really debate).
Chomsky's point is this: Even if it were true (which he believes it isn't), so what? How does 3000 dead Americans outweight over 100,000 dead Iraqi children which we DO know about.... THAT"s his point. His point is, Why are we spending so much energy on something that pales in comparisson to our crimes against other people?
@Diosibundo I agree with you that the atrocities that are occurring in Iraq and Afghanistan are important to focus on. 9/11 was used as a pretext to gain support for these wars "on terror", which should really be called the wars "of terror." People need to realize that what we were told about 9/11 and the reality of the situation are stark contrasts. All I ask is that you research both sides of the argument and come to your own conclusion. Whatever your conclusion is.......
I DO think 9/11 is just what it seemed, a group of militants conspired to hijack the planes and use them as weapons. I also get the impression that the Cheney Bush people were very lax on anti-terrorism almost as if they WANTED some sort of attack, so they couild have an excuse to invade Iraq (but I have no evidence for that).
So they were at best grossly incompetent, but maybe even complicit in that they deliberately did not follow leads.
@Diosibundo You can watch most if not all for free on youtube or google video. They all contribute pieces to the puzzle. 9/11 Mysteries Part 1 - Demolitions 9/11: The Ripple Effect 9/11: In Plane Site 9/11 Loose Change 2nd Edition/Final Cut/An American Coup 9/11 Blueprint For Truth - The Architecture of Destruction Core of Corruption: In The Shadows Zero: An Investigation into 9/11 Martial Law - 911 Rise of the Police State 9/11: Press For Truth
@Diosibundo architects and engineers refuting the governments explanation of how those buildings came down. ae911truth . org How about they're basing their conclusions on science, not mindless nationalistic rhetoric. How about molten iron and steel was flowing in the ruble after 9/11. How about jet fuel can't melt iron or steel. Maybe you can explain these facts to me.
@Diosibundo You're going to have to research that for yourself. I would recommend watching 9/11 Mysteries first. That covers how and why controlled demolitions is the only conclusion that matches up with how the buildings collapsed. As far as who planned and carried out the actual operation; I would recommend watching 9/11 Loose Change: An American Coup. If you can't find that one, Loose Change Second Edition will suffice.
@Diosibundo Thanks. Knowledge is power my friend. When someone first told me that 9/11 wasn't what it appeared to be, I wrote them off as a conspiracy nut as well. Then I actually did some research. I think the situation is best summed up by Einstein when he said "Condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance."
@omniscient232 You're absolutely right. Personally speaking, I feel there is a voluminous amount of evidence that contradicts the governments version of what happened that day. At the very least, a new investigation is in order to clear up these discrepancies. If you ask someone who's guilty to investigate themselves, of course they are going to clear themselves of any wrong doing. All I ask is that people do their own research and come to their own conclusions. You shouldn't accept mine.
@Freshtymer Whether they did do it or not has no significance. It is not possible to build a case against it that will be taken seriously. If it were possible to construct a tenable case of it happening, then it would be significant (he said in this video that there would be executions) but that is entirely NOT the case. Do you kind of follow that? Debating it does nothing; it's just idle chatter that will lead no where. Its mere belief which detracts from larger issues (ig. foreign policy)
@Cathode0 It is possible to construct a tenable case. Many scholars, researchers, architects and engineers have already built cases that are on foundations as strong as the hardest rock. The evidence overwhelming points to 911 being a false flag attack orchestrated by elements within our government. People not informed about the facts are forming their opinions from a position of ignorance. Our foreign policy emanates from the tragic events of 911. People support the policy because they think...
@Freshtymer we were attacked by outsiders. 911 was a complex event. There is clear evidence that there was outside involvement as well; i.e. Saudi, Pakistan (I.S.I.), Israeli (Mossad). The reason why the reality of 911 matters is because the U.S. population goes along with our foreign policy because they are unaware that there was inside involvement. The real enemies are within the U.S. They are the ones creating the policies and they did have involvement in MAKING 911 happen.
@Freshtymer "Many [pros] have already built cases that are on foundations as strong as the hardest rock." This is true, but it goes nowhere. For a long time after 911 (and still now for the most part), deviating from the main stream belief is political suicide. 10 second clips of ppl asserting that 911 was an inside job leads to public outrage and immediate discreditation. (they're trying it now, just a few days ago with Alex Jones and it's prolly working). An MIT prof can't walk that line.
@Freshtymer It's not just his job that's at stake. Noam Chomsky is so respected, I would consider him to be worth assassinating. In fact, I'm personally surprised he's still alive now, given all the stuff he does write and speak about. I'd rather have an alive Chomsky than a dead Chomsky who was branded a treacherous non-American right before he died. & the whole discourse is kind of jokey "was completely unpredictable... You couldn't predict the plane hitting the twr. it could have missed!"
@Freshtymer Well, it's certainly unpleasant, but that doesn't make it significant. Especially considering American state support of multiple large-scale acts of violence approaching and occasionally reaching the level of genocide. Moreover, it would not be a historically unprecedented act.
Of course, even if you disagree, one offhand comment you don't like does not dismiss a half-century of accurate, honest, and insightful scholarship.
@DukeMcManhands I respect Chomsky and the work he's done and I agree that my comment, in retrospect, doesn't really do the situation justice. For me, it's disappointing to see a man as intelligent and well respected as Chomsky to miss an opportunity to at least maintain an open mind to the prospect of 911 being a false flag event. It seems kind of fishy to me that he's so dismissive because the evidence is so incongruent with the official "government" explanation.
I stand against any politician taking a position that the official story of 911 is true. I stand against any politician who supported the wars that followed the events of 911. I stand against any politician who voted for the PATRIOT act. I stand against any politician who voted for the reauthorization of the PATRIOT act. I stand against any politician who supported the inception of Homeland Security. Democrat or Republican being FOR such things is AGAINST my values.
I am well aware that the Harrimans are central figures in the development of the criminal CIA and that they are old money of high finance. What's your point?
Yes, he did write Bush the Unauthorized Biography. Again, you can hear his archives. He encouraged his listeners to vote for Jon McCain during election season.
You say Averell Harriman was a beast with tentacles in the Democratic party and the Bush Crime Family. I have no problem with that. What's your point?
Definitely a democrat.... and by far the most outspoken critic of Barak Obama from the moment he became the democratic frontrunner. He urged his readers and listeners to vote for McCain which you can hear on the election season archives of his show World Crisis Radio on the gcn network.
Webster Tarpley: 911 Synthetic Terror. Also the writer of Barak Obama: The Unauthorized Biography. An unforgiving investigation of the Democratic frontrunner that compares Obama to Mussolini.
Actually, Quigley spells out how the Club of Rome groups stationed in the US (like CFR) set marching orders for the politicians and corporate chieftains of the US. Its quite plainly stated in Tragedy and Hope.
Fuck Chomsky.
COMO10110 2 months ago
@COMO10110 amen.
ScuzzylilAmeriWhore 1 month ago
you people do realize that he doesnt think it was osama and that is not a main stream opinion
themetalhead667 4 months ago
Chomsky decides the government would be nuts to pull a stunt like 9-11 but wouldn't the gulf of Tonkin incident be considered crazy also using this same type of mind set? I know Chomsky was anti vietnam war and must agree that the Tonkin incident was admittedly fabricated. How long did it take for that to completely come out? So labeling 9-11 to be too crazy for our government to pull off is obviously that is not the case. False flags truely do exist.
MrEisenach1 5 months ago
@bahutachcha Yeah you're right. If any top intellectual disagrees with what you think about 9/11 they're being paid millions of dollars by the CIA in a totally banal cover-up that accomplishes nothing. He couldn't have arrived at a conclusion like this on his own, just like millions of other rational human beings have, because anyone smart must either agree with you or be labeled as a shill.
JessAtlas 6 months ago 2
@bahutachcha Because he, like many others, thinks that the "mind-boggling amount of proof" is insubstantial.
JessAtlas 6 months ago
if a "funded" terrorist organization (be it alquaeda or some paramilitary group or WHOMEVER) could execute their plan to drop the twin towers, why WOULDN'T one of the worlds most sophisticated and powerful governments be able to?
the marginal income tax rate in 2013 will be changed to 67%. google it and become an expat. everyone should. the u s of a is a lost cause unfortunately.
zillaje 6 months ago
how is this proof?
munkdo3 6 months ago
Uploader is an idiot. Totally taken out of context.
chinopisces 7 months ago
@chinopisces bullshit...chomsky is a disinfo agent and you Chomsky zombies are fucking blind and not willing to open your eyes to facts...you are all like teenboppers of the 50s creaming in their skirts over Elvis.
AntiZionistCIAShill 7 months ago
@AntiZionistCIAShill: Strangely, I feel the same way about you.
chinopisces 7 months ago
I agree with everything he said, so I am also a controlled asset of the new world order.
JessAtlas 7 months ago
@JessAtlas No, but you are a chomsky zombie.
AntiZionistCIAShill 7 months ago
@JessAtlas No, just a thick twat.
1madaboutguitar 6 months ago
@1madaboutguitar Yep and Chomsky is a thick twat too I guess. Wish I could be as smart as you.
JessAtlas 6 months ago
@JessAtlas Exactly, keep wishing RETARD!!
1madaboutguitar 6 months ago
@1madaboutguitar Didn't know they had trailer trash in the UK too. That's kinda depressing.
JessAtlas 6 months ago
I am not even commenting on the "Chomsky Disinfo agent" idea. But what I am going to say is that his comments on 9/11 simply don't stack up. No matter what you think of 9/11, there are still glaring inconsistencies in the story. There have been people to speak out about the peripheral events and all of there accounts point to some kind of corporate and government corruption. Which is surprising because Chomsky has been a great help in activism.
ahhhhjjjj 8 months ago
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shwwnn 8 months ago
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shwwnn 8 months ago
you could pay chomsky to walk backwards
asyouweresir 8 months ago
Hey guys, here's some advice:
Listen to what Chomsky, if his logic isn't bulletproof to you, play it back until you realize it is.
Dymdez 11 months ago
@Dymdez
No one has to "play it back until it is" he put that KEY statement forward, showing who he really is.
The elites have subverted progressive movements before with controlled assets. They did it \prior to the Russian revolution, prior to Hitler coming to power.
wake the fuck up...the mainstream and alternative media are controlled by the white chrisitian ruling elite
ScuzzylilAmeriWhore 11 months ago
@ScuzzylilAmeriWhore Don't lump true Christians with this lot.
EmilyGreene1984 8 months ago
@EmilyGreene1984 Religious people are fucking retards. All of them. Because there's an invisible man watching over you in the sky. Get fucking real. God would be watching out for your ass. There wouldn't be hunger in the world and he would make sure there's a roof over your head. Maybe there is a god but he doesn't give a fuck about you. Probably gave up on this species long ago.
Zooligable 8 months ago
@Dymdez True, if you repeat a lie long enough......
nealkassanoff 10 months ago
@Dymdez If you investigate and try to research what Chomsky has been saying and then verify it according to the truth - one discovers he has stated quite a bit of misinformation.
EmilyGreene1984 8 months ago
@Dymdez Really, looks like he has major holes in his "theories"... keep bootlicking.
AntiZionistCIAShill 7 months ago
boi187 wrote:Do you honestly believe that anyone with half a brain ......Bush ..... teleprompter .... Nope, I believe that he was trained to act stupid in front of the camera,I do agree that he is just a front man,he reminded me of Reagan (played by Phil Hartman on Saturday night Live ! ) he was dumb around the public,but very much the crook in the White House,looking for a war to start somewhere in the world.
k9a2g6 11 months ago
nealkassanoff wrote; Chomsky thinks that the President is the big man (on campus)calling the shots,well it's not so obvious to me? Chomsky states that since the end of WWll all U.S.President have committed war crimes(probaly)aganist humanity and should be held to the same conditions that was at the Nuremberg Trials,and he also states that all of our Presidents go thru a vetting process that assures obediance.
k9a2g6 11 months ago
@k9a2g6 You just contradicted yourself. You said that Chomsky thinks that the President is the big man on campus (when he doesn’t think that at all), then you later said that he states that all Presidents go through a vetting process to assure obedience. I am not having a go at you I am simply pointing out your contradiction. Peace. Obviously the President does not call all of the shots, for example (and a very good one):
boi187 11 months ago
@boi187 Reread it,I wrote-nealassanoff wrote:"Chomsky thinks that the President is the big man (on campus) " These are not my words,I did not contradict myself ! - I typed "well it's not so obvious to me ? then I repeated what Chomsky wrote in his book "Hegamony or Survial".
k9a2g6 11 months ago
@k9a2g6 Do you honestly believe that anyone with half a working brain really thinks that George W Bush was calling all of the shots when he was President when he can not even tie his own shoes or read a teleprompter etc? Just saying... He messed up America but he was just the front-man, a puppet.
boi187 11 months ago
"Dividing the debate over what really happened on 9/11 into rational and irrational is a nice sleight of hand trick used by propagandists that is meant to fool naive and clueless people who believe in science and rationality, but are not independent thinkers, so that when they're told that something is unscientific and incorrect they take it at face value, and don't do any serious research into the topic on their own." (from the Truth Excavator Blog).
nealkassanoff 11 months ago
Yep ! just like all of that wasted time on the so-called conspiracies about the killing of JFK. Read the internal records,he was a hawk .
k9a2g6 1 year ago
@k9a2g6 One of the most obvious lines of disinfo pushed by Chomsky is that the President really is the big man calling the shots. Kennedy was brought in to be a puppet and was surrounded by the puppet master faithful, so of course there was documentation full of war plans and imperial aims. The evidence shows, nonetheless, that he was pushing back against some of the completely insane plans that they had in store for him.
nealkassanoff 11 months ago
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boi187 11 months ago
@nealkassanoff You just contradicted yourself. You said that Chomsky thinks that the President is the big man on campus (when he doesn’t think that at all), then you later said that he states that all Presidents go through a vetting process to assure obedience. I am not having a go at you I am simply pointing out your contradiction. Peace. Obviously the President does not call all of the shots, for example (and a very good one):
boi187 11 months ago
@boi187 Do you know what page of the posts these comments are on? I'd like to see what I wrote.
nealkassanoff 11 months ago
@nealkassanoff Do you honestly believe that anyone with half a working brain really thinks that George W Bush was calling all of the shots when he was President when he can not even tie his own shoes or read a teleprompter etc? Just saying... He messed up America but he was just the front-man, a puppet.
boi187 11 months ago
@boi187 RE: GW Oh, I completely agree with you. I think that GW had his life threatened on the day of 911. Whoever did this, I don't think they included GW in their plans except to give him the ultimatum of fronting for the policies ahead.
nealkassanoff 11 months ago
@nealkassanoff You say that Kennedy was pushimg back ...insane plans....- OK,Take a deep breath and read about where JFK was prior to his assassination < He was giving a speech at Fort Hood -Texas,the whole speech is on YouTube and then read "Rethinking Camalot"by Noam Chomsky.
k9a2g6 11 months ago
@k9a2g6 Take a look at Operation Northwoods and the demotions that followed. Take a look at Ex Order 11110.
nealkassanoff 11 months ago
Exposed because he thinks 911 "truth" is a waste of time? Hell, then I'm a NWO asset too lol. It's a time that could be spent actually accomplishing something...sad.
tstruss912 1 year ago
Professors who come out regarding 9/11 have a tendency of losing their jobs or worse.
kensei85 1 year ago
@kensei85 Yeah, its one thing to keep your mouth shut. But Chomsky seems to always be on the ready to debunk. He was practically a debunking megaphone after O. Stone's Kennedy movie. I have trouble believing that a tenured professor at one of the greatest institutions of the military industrial complex is actually a dissenter.
nealkassanoff 1 year ago
His strongest point was that this "movement" is "diverting energy from serious issues."
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It has been nearly ten years: the 9/11 president enjoyed two terms, the administration have become rich & retired, million dollar contracts have been awarded and filled by defence companies here and abroad, and laws have been passed restricting civil rights...*AND TODAY* the Tea Party effects more political change than the "truth" movement.
hgh778 1 year ago
@hgh778 Anyone who hold this theory would bring better change by focusing their attention on:
- reducing runaway government spending on large defence contracts
- increasing government transparency
- support our troops by *ONLY* sending them to war as a last resort *AND* when they return, give them the fuc|<ing benefits they deserve
- chastising the media for perpetuating "fear tactics"
- restoring civil rights & promoting education
That's what we lost after 9/11; loved ones, money, and liberty.
hgh778 1 year ago
@hgh778 What happened to that truth-movement-free Anti-war Movement? It died because they didn't go to the heart of the matter which was the false premise of the war, the official story of 911.
nealkassanoff 1 year ago
@nealkassanoff some of the most intelligent people are often the most indoctrinated, hard headed and narrow-minded. Just because you disagree with him on a couple of issues does not make him disinfo, nor does it make him a liar or a pro-NWO shill. He has his reasons for believing what he does, like we all do, and he makes mistakes, like we all do. He has done a great deal for human rights and anti-war movements. I daresay he won't touch the "big conspiracy" as that would destroy his credibility.
kensei85 1 year ago
@kensei85 I appreciate your opinion, but nonetheless disagree. I think that what you offer is a valid possibility, and is probably the truth about many people with high positions in academia, govt, etc... With Chomsky, however, he has staked his reputation on speaking fearlessly. I have read many of his books, as I was once a follower, and I see a discernible pattern. He blames all on "the state" and "the corporation". Notions of puppet masters or a shadow govt are summarily dismissed.
nealkassanoff 1 year ago
@nealkassanoff don't get me wrong, I disagree with him on these issues and agree with you, that the official stories of both 9/11 and the JFK assassination are complete fabrications, but I honestly think he's done too much pro-liberty/peace work to be a part of the NWO.
The best advice I could give anyone is to trust NOBODY and verify everything for yourself... as I said, everyone, even professors and geniuses make mistakes.
kensei85 1 year ago
@kensei85 I agree with Webster Tarpley that there can be no anti war movement without 911 truth. Whatever the motives, whatever the intention of Chomsky and others... his voice, along with Soros-funded Move On dot Org have been instrumental in preventing this issue from being a centerpiece of an anti war platform. 911 Truth is no distraction. It is the achilles heel of an imperial war machine abroad and the police state at home. Just my opinion.
nealkassanoff 1 year ago
@kensei85 9/11 was NOT an inside job. Get over it man...
boi187 1 year ago
@boi187 I disagree.
Freshtymer 1 year ago
@Freshtymer Most people now know that the "9/11 Truth Movement (Truthers)" are a complete and total joke! The name is so ironic that it is even somewhat comedic in its essence. Keep on ignoring, distorting, bending, twisting, and in some cases even making up, the facts. If you want to believe a load of debunked (about 1million times over) garbage then go ahead, make my day!
boi187 1 year ago
@boi187 Listen, I didn't go into this believing 9/11 was an inside job. After researching the topic and weighing both sides of the argument, I've come to the conclusion that 9/11 was a false flag military operation. You believe whatever you want to believe. I simply can't ignore a voluminous amount of facts and eye witness testimony which indicate that the official story is full of so many holes you could fly a fleet of C-130s through it.
Freshtymer 1 year ago
@Freshtymer Hang on a second you are now implying that you do not think that 9/11 was an inside job but you are saying that it was a false flag military operation? Or how about some Muslim Extremists hijacked some planes and flew them into some buildings... The whole caveman theory is ridiculous when you research into Osama Bin Ladens family, wealth, history in Afghanistan, and terrorist attacks worldwide. Don’t rely on conspiracy websites for facts because you will not find many.
boi187 1 year ago
@boi187 "Inside job," can mean a lot of things. It's really too vague to describe an adequate description of the events that day. Like I said, I've come to the conclusion that what happened on that day was a complex false flag military operation. I never said Muslim extremists didn't hijack planes or weren't involved in any way. I never said anything about any "caveman theory." Stop using straw-man arguments and making assumptions about what I think happened on that day.
Freshtymer 1 year ago
@boi187 You obviously don't have a life, a girl or an education, or else you wouldn't spend so much time spewing ridiculous lies about 9/11.
How about you answer me one simple question: why was molten steel pulled out from the rubble of WTC 1, 2 and 7, several weeks after 9/11?
Or are you the one who is too intellectually lazy to find anything out for yourself?
kensei85 1 year ago
@kensei85 The whole molten steel drama has been debunked already! You must only search and research other conspiracy websites for your information. Pathetic...
boi187 1 year ago
@boi187 back up your pathetic statements you retard- debunk it! Why was molten steel pulled out from the rubble of WTC 1, 2 and 7, several weeks after 9/11?
Try not to claim it was not steel (bullshit) and try not to claim it was from a jet fuel fire (more bullshit).
kensei85 1 year ago
@kensei85 Yet again you ignore. Ignoring is what 9/11 Truthers do best. All of your theories considering molten (LOL) bullshit whatever have been debunked. Why should I waste more time on you? Take the SCIENTIFIC approach... Nutjob. Research your 'molten' theory and then get back to me. Thank you.
boi187 1 year ago
@boi187 how about you stop making false assumptions about me? Answer my question! I have researched this for 10 years from all angles and nothing explains the molten steel other than thermite. It hasn't been debunked, there were false claims that it was not steel and that jet fuel caused it to melt. Thanks for saying I deserve to be shot for examining the evidence & making an informed decision. Also, of course I know AJ is disinfo, his channel banned me and deleted my comments for exposing him.
kensei85 1 year ago
@kensei85 It has all been debunked. This is like running around in circles while hitting my head up against a wall. You are a retard, why don't you go and fact-check that statement and see what you come up with...
boi187 1 year ago
@boi187 just because you say it has been debunked doesn't make it so. Jesus fucking Christ talking to you is like talking to a dumber-than-average brick wall. Go on, debunk it you stupid fuck head- I'm waiting. Surely if you can't back up one single word you've said, everything you've spewed must clearly be bullshit.
Why was molten steel pulled out from the rubble of WTC 1, 2 and 7, several weeks after 9/11?
kensei85 1 year ago
@boi187 it was a 100% demolition
TopSideUp 1 year ago
@TopSideUp Go and see what 99% of the demolition experts around the globe say, then get back to me, and then try and get back to reality. I honestly feel sorry for your stupidity; it is a real shame... Do you know how many months upon months and how many demolition experts upon demolition experts it would require to demolish the Twin Towers and WTC7? Please keep your sanity for your own sake. None of the buildings even collapsed freefall.
boi187 1 year ago
@boi187 im not goign to argue about this, its just basic physics that doesn't require an engineer to figure out.. and I have no clue where you get this idea that none of the buildings fell at free fall, i mean that's absolutely preposterous. Watch building 7 for yourself. I dont need you to tell me about my sanity, im perfectly sane. your 99 experts statistic is purely made up. Jesse ventura is a demolitions expert, and there are many others who arent famous who testify in documentaries. WTC7
TopSideUp 1 year ago
@TopSideUp You are seriously deluded and extremely warped at the moment. Just take a look at what it would take and the amount of people that would have to be involved in this conspiracy for it to work, it is complete madness! I hope you will come back to reality sooner or later. The controlled demolition theory has been debunked over a million times over already. debunking911(dot)com
boi187 1 year ago
@TopSideUp Also if you watch the full collapse of WTC7 you will quickly see for yourself that the building did not fall freefall. All the footage of the WTC7 collapse on conspiracy documentaries etc only show the last few seconds of the collapse, they all miss out and deny the viewer form seeing the whole collapse including the collapse of the penthouses etc, see I bet you have never even heard of the WTC7 penthouses etc have you?
boi187 1 year ago
@boi187 and hell yeah ive seent the penthous collapse, thats IN documentaries as more proof. but dude why do you waste your time here, i dont even know what your goal is your not going to convince anyone otherwise, we all can see for our own eyes three buildings become completely pulverized. BuildingwhatXorg
TopSideUp 1 year ago
@TopSideUp I flirted with the idea myself once not too long ago after watching a few of the Conspiracy Theorists documentaries but then I actually fact checked the information they had provided and watched some documentaries that thoroughly debunk the claims of the Conspiracy Theorists and I have been firmly rooted in the ground on the truth ever since.
boi187 1 year ago
@boi187 you are really going off here about this, i have no clue why you are so destined to marginalize me without even presenting one single fact, weird. you are just blabbering off at the mouth. After ignorantly claiming WTC7 wasnt freefall collapse, where the enrgey come from? I've never seen a building collapse that beautifully because of a few short lived fires, Even the people on the commission are slowly commign out saying the whole thing was a coverup. You've probably done ZERO research.
TopSideUp 1 year ago
@TopSideUp The Conspiracy Theorists pick out and choose small anomalies and inconsistencies in the official story and then blow it up to maximum proportions, they bend and twist facts in order to try and fit their Conspiracy Theory and they routinely ignore and look over blatant facts that disprove their Conspiracy Theory.
boi187 1 year ago
@kensei85 Now you have really lost me. Have you any rationale whatsoever? You seriously need a reality check. Please for your own sake just go and research 9/11 from all sides. After you have researched 9/11 from all possible angles then get back to me.
boi187 1 year ago
@kensei85 If you still think that it was an inside job after all of your research then you are so dumb and retarded that you deserve to be shot; maybe depopulation is a good idea after all. Peace ;) I guess that my comments amount to a conspiracy now in your eyes… LOL!!!
boi187 1 year ago
@kensei85 Also: You do realise that Alex Jones is a disinformation agent? Please say it is not so? LOL! I can not even believe that I am wasting my time on you; Alex Jones is the biggest of Zionist Shills that has ever come out of the disinformation community. Take a reality check pal...
boi187 1 year ago
@Freshtymer You should check out the confessions of an ex-truther or maybe even research 9/11 for yourself or if you are too lazy to do that then simply watch all of the scientific and other films and documentary’s that debunk each and every one of the 9/11 truthers claims and theories one at a time and go even further in most cases.
boi187 1 year ago
@boi187 firefighters pulled molten steel out of the debris of WTC 1, 2 and 7, several WEEKS after 9/11, describing it as "like a foundry". As everyone knows by now, it is impossible for jet fuel to melt steel.
I expect the "debunking" of this claims it was some other metal, like aluminium, which ignores WTC7, the fact that steel poles were pulled out with the ends dripping off, and the photos taken of the diagonally-cut support columns with slithers of where the once melted steel had solidified.
kensei85 1 year ago
@kensei85 Typical 9/11 retard; do you really believe that controlled demolitions were used even after all of the debunking of WTC7? All I want you to do is answer me that question and it will save me a lot of time. Do you know how many months and how many demolition experts it would take to knock down the twin towers? The theory has been debunked through science, fact, and even pictures. Get back to reality and you might find yourself a woman...
boi187 1 year ago
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@kensei85 Most people now know that the "9/11 Truth Movement (Truthers)" are a complete and total joke! The name is so ironic that it is even somewhat comedic in its essence. Keep on ignoring, distorting, bending, twisting, and in some cases even making up, the facts. If you want to believe a load of debunked (about 1million times over) garbage then go ahead, make my day!
boi187 1 year ago
@kensei85 You should check out the confessions of an ex-truther or maybe even research 9/11 for yourself or if you are too lazy to do that then simply watch all of the scientific and other films and documentary’s that debunk each and every one of the 9/11 truthers claims and theories one at a time and go even further in most cases.
boi187 1 year ago
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@boi187 you don't have a fucking clue, go fuck yourself you piece of shit.
kensei85 1 year ago
@boi187 9/11 WAS an inside job. Wake the fuck up or shut the fuck up.
kensei85 1 year ago
@nealkassanoff
Regardless of the movement--they cease because there are not enough people who act. Few protest, write our congressmen, or take other avenues of political dissent...We're too busy; working overtime, shopping, watching American fvcking Idol. We are uneducated and politically-misinformed...
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...And we get the government we deserve.
hgh778 1 year ago
@hgh778 If we roll over and presume that the worst of humanity will prevail, our defeat is guaranteed. I'll take the calculated odds and keep speaking my mind with friends, acquaintances and strangers. There's a quote about setting brushfires in the minds of men that comes to mind.
nealkassanoff 1 year ago
a jealous husband blew jfk's head off, somehow got the warren commision to totally cover it up, and thats why 911 couldnt be an inside job? hmmm.
911 couldnt have been a conspiracy because it would have leaked? noam, it did. some of the folks who knew it are dead now, just like the real grassy knoll 'jealous husbands'
MrFingersniffer 1 year ago
@MrFingersniffer
I´m sure Noam knows the truth, but dares not speak it, cause he wants to live. Anyway, at first I was shocked,too, but he has got a point: it doesn`t make a difference to those who have died, and all living are free to think what they want and are expicitly asked to condemn the actions (or "reactions"9 in the wake of 9/11.
And this is, what we all should concentrate our power on! Resist in any way we can.
ThePt73 1 year ago
Chomsky makes a point about this a long time ago. If the New World Order is actually this power...we might as well give up. I for one welcome our New World Overlords...I'm sure they'll do a better job ruling us than anyone who believes this ridiculous crap.
LiquidYogi 1 year ago
I think what he means is If the government was involved in 911 then it should be thought of as an example on an extremely long list of mass murders against a global exploited class with the exception that they’re not open about this one. All these fears of what the government might do are already being done to us; a borderless, non-ruling class. All the proof you need to provoke fundamental restructuring is right on the front page everyday if its interpreted from an anarchical perspective.
Travilens 1 year ago
@Travilens
I´m sure Noam knows the truth, but dares not speak it, cause he wants to live. Anyway, at first I was shocked,too, but he has got a point: it doesn`t make a difference to those who have died, and all living are free to think what they want and are expicitly asked to condemn the actions (or "reactions"9 in the wake of 9/11.
And this is, what we all should concentrate our power on! Resist in any way we can. And he has exposed many atrocities in history to undermine this pledge!
ThePt73 1 year ago
To hear Noam say "and even if they're true (911 theories), who cares?" is the quantitative dismissal of his entire career in the field of critical thought and analysis. It's pretty clear that this man has been compromised and is covering his own behind from here on out.
PaulGrantDesigns 1 year ago
I understand why the conspiracy theorists would be mad at Chomsky for completely destroying their silly position that Sept 11th was an inside job. They have been running around telling anybody who will listen to their stupid theories to try and feel like they are smarter than every body else, but Chomsky is bang on with every point he makes. The best of all is when he said even it were true who cares. It's diverting the attention from the real things that matter. Get an education.
ear2educate 1 year ago
A seemingly well intentioned but ultimately fucktarded attempt to classify Chomsky as a NWO shill.
tstruss912 1 year ago
You offer a false dichotomy. You are either with us or you are against us...
Who ever posted this video is a dumb piece of shit.
Baldmother 1 year ago
right on lots of people getting killed everyday,wrong to let any killers ever slip away, especially without mental heatlh treatment,the same "thing" that took down jfk takes down more everyday and in lots of ways, its called evil. until it is stopped, more good will drop. who is to blame? those that look the other way. j
jaimielilly 1 year ago
yeah hes an operative. "Its almost certain it would have leaked" Get real. That's not even logical. How do you know? You only know the things that did leak, not the things that didn't. Even Rumsfeld knows that. Furthermore it did leak.
icfnord 1 year ago
@icfnord Show proof please, Chomsky always does.
tstruss912 1 year ago
@tstruss912
Hmmm... I thought it would be obvious considering hes a frothing advocate of communism while he pretends to be an anarchist, spreads lies to draw people into a statist agenda and draws his paycheck directly from the US government. It's called COINTELPRO. Look into it.
You can always tell who the government operatives are. Theyre the ones claiming that the solution to the government is more government.
icfnord 1 year ago
So because he does not think 9/11 was an inside job he must be an NWO agent!
Drastam 1 year ago
whats wrong with a new world order?
Alarik5 1 year ago
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Look: me you and chomsky would learn nothing new about our leaders if we found evidence they did this. That is a given. Chomsky doesn't see the point in chasing conspiracy ghosts when so much hard evidence of stuff they even admit to doing is right there in front of our faces and totally unknown. He praises the UN only in comparison to corporate tyranny: Govt, while not great, is better than unelected + unaccountable private power
pithaw 1 year ago
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pithaw 1 year ago
What a disingenuous Shill.
AnonymousWhitePerson 1 year ago
chomsky's profile for his future society is not synonymous with the nwo's apparent profile. chomsky's profile is of a loosefederation of communities the world over sharing information & resources without bias through a global community. and global community i do not mean globalization because this would be w/o the back drop of the military/ industry/banking conglomerate. dont reach on this subject real truthers take this subject very seriously. the desperity in the profiles is obvious.
steviewonder417 1 year ago
@steviewonder417 While Chomsky spouts platitudes about the "global community" he goes to great lengths to deny the anatomy of the New World Order. He offers unqualified praise of the UN (maintaining that US bullying thwarts its benevolent design) and unqualified denial that the British Roundtable Groups (CFR, RIAA) have any power.
nealkassanoff 1 year ago
@nealkassanoff,
After much consideration I too have concluded that Chomsky is just a propagandist for the British Monarchy and their various "American" fronts including MIT, Princeton, Yale; the Rockefeller Foundation, Carnegie Endowment for Peace, Ford Foundation, American Enterprise Institute, Mont Pelerin Society, the Royal Institute for International Affairs, Council on Foreign Relations, the IMF, World Bank, World Wildlife Fund, and the United Nations.
PrincessShittyBottom 1 year ago
@PrincessShittyBottom Yes, he appears to be an incredibly skilled propagandist. He gives a lot of useful information coupled with misdirection at key points. Thing is, the NWO plays with fire when they use operatives like Chomsky. They take a risk when the presume they can partially inform those asking questions. Chances are we'll keep asking questions to get the full story.
nealkassanoff 1 year ago
u guys are such idiots
timetochilli 1 year ago
how do you know that chomsky is 'an agent of the nwo'? even if the nwo is true, how do you know chomsky is not just someone who doesn't believe in the nwo, but not necessarily is 'an agent' of it?
omniscient232 1 year ago
far be it from me to speak for good ol noam, but i think when he says "who cares" hes talking about humanity as a whole.
dasurass 1 year ago
I was shocked to hear these statements from Chomsky...."Who cares?" what....the fuck.....is he serious?
Chinga411 1 year ago
So a man who wants to abolish the state, hierarchy and elitism is actually an agent working for an elite who wants to establish a global dictatorship...
Hmm, this logic seems... COMPLETELY FLAWLESS 1112!@!!!!!@1!!! HURURUR UERUERU
GodOfTheInternets 1 year ago 2
@GodOfTheInternets Here! Here!
thedoja 1 year ago
@thedoja
"Here! Here!"
I never looked at it this way, but it seems you are completely right after all. Forgive me for dissagreeing with you, you persued me, your argument "here here" is flawless. Anyone who opposes is an idiot. Thanks.
GodOfTheInternets 1 year ago
all of you are mad, i know. He knows guys. he knows about war games. Give it up chomsky. We care and so do you. that event changed everything. Chomsky you said it yourself, there were no leaks in this extremely porous system, what does that tell us. IF IM TO DIE A LITTLE GIVE IT UP!
cnotemorello 1 year ago
thank you leonidas3888 Who cares I CARE... That such a smart man would even say such a cold heart statement only means maybe one thing -------someone must have a gun to his head
cosmik5 1 year ago
Yeah who cares if the our President was involved in 911. Or if our government assassinated Kennedy. Its irrelevant. Uhh pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!
Shame on you Chomsky, cant believe you had me. : (
Leonidas3888 2 years ago
The arguments and rationales he offers here are inconsistent with traditional Chomsky critical thinking...obviously so. So obvious in fact, one might reason that the blatantly feeble arguments he offers here is his covert way of saying to us that he is under the watchful eye of big brother and is speaking under the duress of threats and intimidation. Maybe not, maybe I'm being naive. But I honestly expected him to be 'discarded of' long ago.
swanday1 2 years ago
that's what I'm thinking also. He just needs to lie to protect his credibility. a wise coward. ~typical!
Armando7654 1 year ago
Haha, I was waiting for him to mention JFK to sink himself, and he did!
The evidence on JFK is 100x better than the 911 evidence, the best one is how JFK's head rolls backwards and appears to be hit from the front when Lee Harvey Oswald was supposedly behind him. I mean the JFK assassination is full of plain obvious evidence that the official story is false. "Who cares", wow.. the implications are huge.
I'm afraid it does sink Chomsky quite a bit.
Renegen1 2 years ago
He is just being smart... he is being practical, there are enough evidences to hang all of the administrations for the last 30 years, why bother to try go there as it's complicated to prove beyond any reasonable doubt, where you already have condemnations form the International court of justice. So if you wanted to do it, yo could already condemn them, regardless of 911.
bewaver 2 years ago
Noam Chomsky is a very intelligent man but completely dismisses the role of elites as puppetmasters....almost like he is blatently protecting the global elites.
TheCrowe09 2 years ago
It is bizarre how a guy can be so right on some things and so wrong in the face of overwhelming evidence on another related thing. The more I look into it the more I lose respect I once had in spades for him.
tnix80 2 years ago
Everybody who doesn't agree with my conspiracy theory is NWO... QQ
kraxz 2 years ago 11
0:30 Manhattan project never leaked, look at the scale of THAT conspiracy. They built whole cities to construct Fat Boy... Nobody got wise.
0:40 Divide and conquer stratagy employed here impies there is a functional divide betwixt the Republicrats and the Republicrats.
0:54 One of the planes did in fact fail to reach it's target, WTC7. It imploded mysteriously.
1:38 This is exactly what happened. All evidence contradicting the official narrative is discounted and ignored.
NihilistImp 2 years ago
What Chomsky said makes more sense than any NWO rant i have ever heard which are always full of fake and forced information, zero evidence and a self sustaining doctrine of conspiracy that you can't attempt to criticize without being called "one of them".
DonVoghano 2 years ago
"Even if it's true....who cares, it doesn't have any significance." Wow. This man has lost all of his credibility.
Freshtymer 2 years ago 7
@Freshtymer
Hm. Chomsky lost all credibility with.... Freshtymer the conspiracy nut?
Yep! Im sure he's quivering in his loafers.
Diosibundo 1 year ago
@Diosibundo FACTS DO NOT CEASE TO EXIST BECAUSE THEY ARE IGNORED. - ALDOUS HUXLEY
I'm sorry that your level of discernment is at the level of a 3rd grader. Maybe you should stop watching cartoons and do some research before you label me as a "conspiracy nut."
Freshtymer 1 year ago
@Freshtymer
Hahhaaaaaa.
Yep, I AM at the level of a 3rd grader. Im actually MAKING cartoons, not wathing them you dope!
So.... what fact exactly are you talking about? That 9/11 was an inside job between Bush and the Aliens or that Obama is Kenyan Nazi Socialist Death Paneler?
Diosibundo 1 year ago
@Diosibundo How about the fact that nano-thermite was found in the debris of the three buildings that collapsed that day. How about no concrete steel reinforced building has ever collapsed due to fire in the history of civilization. How about the fact that building 7 wasn't even hit by a plane yet collapsed into it's own footprint at free fall speed. How about reports of multiple explosions by hundreds of first responders and people that were actually there that day. How about 1000's of......
Freshtymer 1 year ago
@Freshtymer
Ok, look.... everything you are citing Ive only heard superficially, and Ive heard it debunked (again, superficially, so I cant really debate).
Chomsky's point is this: Even if it were true (which he believes it isn't), so what? How does 3000 dead Americans outweight over 100,000 dead Iraqi children which we DO know about.... THAT"s his point. His point is, Why are we spending so much energy on something that pales in comparisson to our crimes against other people?
Diosibundo 1 year ago
@Diosibundo I agree with you that the atrocities that are occurring in Iraq and Afghanistan are important to focus on. 9/11 was used as a pretext to gain support for these wars "on terror", which should really be called the wars "of terror." People need to realize that what we were told about 9/11 and the reality of the situation are stark contrasts. All I ask is that you research both sides of the argument and come to your own conclusion. Whatever your conclusion is.......
Freshtymer 1 year ago
@Diosibundo at least we can agree that these wars must end.
Freshtymer 1 year ago
@Freshtymer
Yep.
I DO think 9/11 is just what it seemed, a group of militants conspired to hijack the planes and use them as weapons. I also get the impression that the Cheney Bush people were very lax on anti-terrorism almost as if they WANTED some sort of attack, so they couild have an excuse to invade Iraq (but I have no evidence for that).
So they were at best grossly incompetent, but maybe even complicit in that they deliberately did not follow leads.
Diosibundo 1 year ago
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Freshtymer 1 year ago
@Diosibundo architects and engineers refuting the governments explanation of how those buildings came down. ae911truth . org How about they're basing their conclusions on science, not mindless nationalistic rhetoric. How about molten iron and steel was flowing in the ruble after 9/11. How about jet fuel can't melt iron or steel. Maybe you can explain these facts to me.
Freshtymer 1 year ago
@Freshtymer
I can't. Im not an engineer. But when you fly a jumbo jet into a plane, well, bad things happen.
But for the sake of argument, let's say the buildings WERE controlled demolitions.... what's the next step? Who did it, and why?
Diosibundo 1 year ago
@Diosibundo You're going to have to research that for yourself. I would recommend watching 9/11 Mysteries first. That covers how and why controlled demolitions is the only conclusion that matches up with how the buildings collapsed. As far as who planned and carried out the actual operation; I would recommend watching 9/11 Loose Change: An American Coup. If you can't find that one, Loose Change Second Edition will suffice.
Freshtymer 1 year ago
@Diosibundo The documentary Core Of Corruption, I feel would help to clear up your doubts.
Freshtymer 1 year ago
@Freshtymer
PS: Sorry about the conspiracy nut thing. can I take it back?
Diosibundo 1 year ago
@Freshtymer
Your channel looks cool, by the way, I'll check it out after work!
Diosibundo 1 year ago
@Diosibundo Thanks. Knowledge is power my friend. When someone first told me that 9/11 wasn't what it appeared to be, I wrote them off as a conspiracy nut as well. Then I actually did some research. I think the situation is best summed up by Einstein when he said "Condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance."
Freshtymer 1 year ago
@Freshtymer
that doesn't mean the investigation you did is correct. how do you know it is correct?
omniscient232 1 year ago
@omniscient232 You're absolutely right. Personally speaking, I feel there is a voluminous amount of evidence that contradicts the governments version of what happened that day. At the very least, a new investigation is in order to clear up these discrepancies. If you ask someone who's guilty to investigate themselves, of course they are going to clear themselves of any wrong doing. All I ask is that people do their own research and come to their own conclusions. You shouldn't accept mine.
Freshtymer 1 year ago
Exactly , he is a fucking Goon !
mmtot 1 year ago
@Freshtymer Whether they did do it or not has no significance. It is not possible to build a case against it that will be taken seriously. If it were possible to construct a tenable case of it happening, then it would be significant (he said in this video that there would be executions) but that is entirely NOT the case. Do you kind of follow that? Debating it does nothing; it's just idle chatter that will lead no where. Its mere belief which detracts from larger issues (ig. foreign policy)
Cathode0 1 year ago
@Cathode0 It is possible to construct a tenable case. Many scholars, researchers, architects and engineers have already built cases that are on foundations as strong as the hardest rock. The evidence overwhelming points to 911 being a false flag attack orchestrated by elements within our government. People not informed about the facts are forming their opinions from a position of ignorance. Our foreign policy emanates from the tragic events of 911. People support the policy because they think...
Freshtymer 1 year ago
@Freshtymer we were attacked by outsiders. 911 was a complex event. There is clear evidence that there was outside involvement as well; i.e. Saudi, Pakistan (I.S.I.), Israeli (Mossad). The reason why the reality of 911 matters is because the U.S. population goes along with our foreign policy because they are unaware that there was inside involvement. The real enemies are within the U.S. They are the ones creating the policies and they did have involvement in MAKING 911 happen.
Freshtymer 1 year ago
@Freshtymer "Many [pros] have already built cases that are on foundations as strong as the hardest rock." This is true, but it goes nowhere. For a long time after 911 (and still now for the most part), deviating from the main stream belief is political suicide. 10 second clips of ppl asserting that 911 was an inside job leads to public outrage and immediate discreditation. (they're trying it now, just a few days ago with Alex Jones and it's prolly working). An MIT prof can't walk that line.
Cathode0 1 year ago
@Freshtymer It's not just his job that's at stake. Noam Chomsky is so respected, I would consider him to be worth assassinating. In fact, I'm personally surprised he's still alive now, given all the stuff he does write and speak about. I'd rather have an alive Chomsky than a dead Chomsky who was branded a treacherous non-American right before he died. & the whole discourse is kind of jokey "was completely unpredictable... You couldn't predict the plane hitting the twr. it could have missed!"
Cathode0 1 year ago
@Cathode0
I completely agree! And I think he has given hints as to not take all of his words seriously on that, just as you pointed out!
ThePt73 1 year ago
@Freshtymer Well, it's certainly unpleasant, but that doesn't make it significant. Especially considering American state support of multiple large-scale acts of violence approaching and occasionally reaching the level of genocide. Moreover, it would not be a historically unprecedented act.
Of course, even if you disagree, one offhand comment you don't like does not dismiss a half-century of accurate, honest, and insightful scholarship.
DukeMcManhands 1 year ago
@DukeMcManhands I respect Chomsky and the work he's done and I agree that my comment, in retrospect, doesn't really do the situation justice. For me, it's disappointing to see a man as intelligent and well respected as Chomsky to miss an opportunity to at least maintain an open mind to the prospect of 911 being a false flag event. It seems kind of fishy to me that he's so dismissive because the evidence is so incongruent with the official "government" explanation.
Freshtymer 1 year ago
@Freshtymer 9/11 was NOT an inside job. Get over it man...
boi187 1 year ago
Yes, what is your point?
I stand against any politician taking a position that the official story of 911 is true. I stand against any politician who supported the wars that followed the events of 911. I stand against any politician who voted for the PATRIOT act. I stand against any politician who voted for the reauthorization of the PATRIOT act. I stand against any politician who supported the inception of Homeland Security. Democrat or Republican being FOR such things is AGAINST my values.
nealkassanoff 2 years ago 3
You sound like a true patriot sir/mam.
MrWakethesheeple 2 years ago
like i said, you are a moonbat.
historywillabsolve 2 years ago
Both parties work for the same criminals. When are you going to walk from the false left right wrestling match?
nealkassanoff 2 years ago
I am agreeing with you that Harriman was democratic party scum. What's your point?
nealkassanoff 2 years ago
The current Democratic party is currently a horrible scourge of puppets, demagogues and degenerates. What's your point?
nealkassanoff 2 years ago
I am well aware that the Harrimans are central figures in the development of the criminal CIA and that they are old money of high finance. What's your point?
nealkassanoff 2 years ago
Yes, he did write Bush the Unauthorized Biography. Again, you can hear his archives. He encouraged his listeners to vote for Jon McCain during election season.
nealkassanoff 2 years ago
That's some interesting denial. I can almost hear you banging your head against the wall.
nealkassanoff 2 years ago
You say Averell Harriman was a beast with tentacles in the Democratic party and the Bush Crime Family. I have no problem with that. What's your point?
nealkassanoff 2 years ago
Definitely a democrat.... and by far the most outspoken critic of Barak Obama from the moment he became the democratic frontrunner. He urged his readers and listeners to vote for McCain which you can hear on the election season archives of his show World Crisis Radio on the gcn network.
nealkassanoff 2 years ago
Webster Tarpley: 911 Synthetic Terror. Also the writer of Barak Obama: The Unauthorized Biography. An unforgiving investigation of the Democratic frontrunner that compares Obama to Mussolini.
nealkassanoff 2 years ago
Actually, Quigley spells out how the Club of Rome groups stationed in the US (like CFR) set marching orders for the politicians and corporate chieftains of the US. Its quite plainly stated in Tragedy and Hope.
nealkassanoff 2 years ago