This eurotrash keeps talking about government force like he's scared that his prime minister is going to beat him up at lunch. The U.S. government allows citizens to use violence against each other under certain circumstances. Anyone who prefers a government that let's you beat up its soldiers must either have a gaping, wet vagina between their legs... or is a chickenshit boy posing as a man.
@rfrantzt its called a Constitutional Republic where the rights of 99% do not out weigh those of 1%. All are equally protected, soldier, people everyone...in a perfect world.
@rfrantzt those who must resort to violence and hateful comments rather than using courtsey and dialogue, diplomacy and patience is still of a primative genetic foundation, the shallow end of the gene pool. He that is resolute in AN EYE FOR AN EYE would have the whole world blind rather than admit to willingly offering comity,and reciprocity. To over come another man is strong,to overcome self is mighty! Yes i'll wait till you look up all those bigOLE werds...
He describes government as "they" and the rest of us as "you". As someone who has worked for the government and in the private sector, this makes him sound like a jackass. The government IS you, unless you choose not to participate. I have never held a "legislative" position, but anyone who is employed by the government is a GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEE.
@rfrantzt So you're saying that I am the government as long as I vote? So if I vote then I am responsible for what the government does because I am the government? Regardless of whether or not I disagree with it or even if I know that it is morally wrong? How do you figure?
@09jake12 The government is us because you must be a U.S. citizen to be in the U.S. government. There are plenty of politicians who come from meager beginnings including Bill Clinton, Jimmy Carter, and Rick Perry. This means that government power is more accessible to its people than any other government.
@rfrantzt "The government is us because you must be a U.S. citizen to be in the U.S. government." This statement makes no sense. I fully understand what you are driving at though. Yes, I think it is great that people have much better opportunities and representation than in say, under a dictatorship. But that is not the point. I have the right to vote and get in to the government, but not the right to refuse the theft of taxation without being shot or thrown in jail?
@09jake12 Look man, if you don't like taxes you should move to some part of the world that is not a "country". Perhaps you could be adopted by a south American rainforest tribe. I'm sure they will insist you contribute, in other words "tax" your labor in exchange for the support of the collective. If you don't understand taxation its only because you are immature. We can debate HOW taxes are spent, but when you say you don't believe in paying taxes then it becomes obvious you aren't serious.
@rfrantzt Primitive tribes have structures similar to the state complete with their own version of propaganda. It just comes from witch doctors and shaman rather than news anchors and bureaucrats. Saying I could "be adopted by a south American rainforest tribe" and saying that I am "immature" is not an argument. Anarchy is the ultimate and inevitable social system, all it really means is put the guns down and let's talk. And no, it does not require everyone to be perfect angels.
Who exactly are you going to put in charge of telling everyone to put their guns down? Do you expect this epiphany of disarmament to occur simultaneously across the human species? Peace is AGAINST the laws of nature. Peace must be enforced by people who are bound to an agreed upon set of rules, regulation, and taxation. Our taxes unit us. They are what make us American. Without taxes no one is invested, America dies.
Who exactly are you going to put in charge of telling everyone to put their guns down? Do you expect this epiphany of disarmament to occur simultaneously across the human species? Peace is AGAINST the laws of nature. Peace must be enforced by people who are bound to an agreed upon set of rules, regulation, and taxation. Our taxes unit us. They are what make us American. Without taxes no one is invested, America dies.
@rfrantzt I am glad you are still grappling with this issue. It shows that you care and that besides your comment, you might actually think values are more important than getting laid.(Its a though call though lol) This is what philosophy is all about! Anyways, no, I do not believe that everyone will magically put their guns down all at once and everyone will turn into perfectly peaceful human beings. I am saying that the a universal non aggression principle needs to be spread before
@09jake12 (continued) we can ever even hope to make steps towards a world that is sane, peaceful and ethical. What I am saying is, that we need to get a lot of people to at least acknowledge the problem before we can do anything. This is the same way all major advances in culture are made.
Who exactly are you going to put in charge of telling everyone to put their guns down? Do you expect this epiphany of disarmament to occur simultaneously across the human species? Peace is AGAINST the laws of nature. Peace must be enforced by people who are bound to an agreed upon set of rules, regulation, and taxation. Our taxes unit us. They are what make us American. Without taxes no one is invested, America dies.
@rfrantzt you mean WITH government expect skyrocketing rape and murder to continue. Govt. does nothing in the way of protecting anyone from rape or murder. Some shit happens then maybe they call the cops and maybe they'll show up and maybe someone(maybe not the right one) will be jailed for the crime.Reactionary element at best. Causational factor no doubt, to much of the nation's malady.
@justaman6972 People like you are the reason we need NDAA. Your ideas are so extreme that there is surely no reasoning with you. Government causes American rape and murder? Doubtful. Get your head out of your ass.
@rfrantzt No attempt at reasoning was ever made, so your statement is without merit.Government allowed by ratification a private bank called Federal Reserve to print counterfeit currency and control the amount and value.People will kill each other with 3 main causational factors,money,drugs and a signifigant other,Govt.has dirty hands in 2 of the 3 areas,so government causes rape and murder on a global scale.Govt. can't offer a good or service w/o it being at the point of a gun,Think!!
You talk like a robot, so its obvious you don't get laid. Vaginal canal located between thighs of human female. Pre-coital stimulation is preferred but not required, although youtube video information assimilation must terminate prior to inserting erect phalus into consenting human. Opposite sex chromosome orientation is preferred, but same sex chromosome orientation is also acceptable according to modern western law and cultural practice.
@rfrantzt pedantic ad homenim personal attacks offer zero credibility for you. You know jack shit about law,US citizenship and its consequences and offer parrotted mimicked fantasy at best. No facts ,or citations or sources of authority offered either,yes we know exactly who and what you are, a tool,nothing more.Good day.
@Skoda130 Definitions found in a dictionary don't always match reality. Could you explain how the definition used in the video doesn't conform with reality?
@AnarchistDictator "Definitions found in a dictionary don't always match reality." In that case, you have to look for a better definition instead of altering them. Altering definitions equals "newspeech". The false definition used in the video however neither fits reality. A government, for example, that claims to be a moral monopolist, wouldn't be elected in the first place. Like in North Korea, for example. That's a "moral monopolist state", a dictatorship.
@Skoda130 Government is monopolistic in the use of force. It's a murky landscape when it comes to defending your own property through the use of force, unless it's an agent of the government exercising force on your behalf. That's observable phenomena, and all that's necessary to back up the definition of government as a "moral monopolistic state." "Newspeak" is the central, authoritarian guiding of language, as opposed to a natural drift of language. Only authorities are capable of using it.
@intricatic Using language is futile if there aren't any common rules for using it. You just made your own comment completely senseless. You can;t use "natural drift" as an excuse to change the meaning of words as you please. Oh, wait, you CAN, but in that case it's the end of the discussion on my part.
@Skoda130 Do you know the etymology behind the word "radical", by any chance? It's evolved from the Latin "radix", which means "root". It's taken on different meanings in connotation and denotation over the expanse of time since it originally came to be, from whence it no doubt evolved from an even more ancient language now forgotten to history. Such is the nature of language. If the connotation fits the subject, it's valid use of language.
@intricatic this is why much American and English legal maximums are in Latin. The meaning doesn't change due to a dead tongue. It means exactly what it means and allows no room for interpretation to the latest vernacular. It also allows for a monopoly to become established since few universities offewr Latin as a major,maybe the preisthood, and we know about those closet dwelling skeletons lurking in the shadows proping up this club called the BAR.
@justaman6972 Most english is rooted in latin and greek. The meanings and different shades thereof are easy enough to identify and remain essentially fixed; new meanings simply affix themselves through connotation in a spoken tongue. Honestly, I prefer latin and ancient greek, but I'm a language nut.
I disagree to the extent; the government does not have the total right to initiate force they only have the right to up hold the law, according to the voice of the people. If they act outside of the law they they are subject to the Law.
@CTR831 Considering that the government creates said laws, through either congressional act or executive order, the government decides where force should be initiated. It's like if you were to be able to set your own salary at your job. It would be in your best interest to give yourself a high salary. The government will create and enact laws that ensure its existence and that further establish its power. It sets its own limits.
@GraberStone Stefbot covers it in his presentation at 3:55 “violence cost a lot of money and unless you can shield that price from the voters immediately you get a rebellion”
If a government wants to wage war it needs money. If it doesn't have a central bank with the ability to print fake money, this government will be required to tax the population in order to fund the war. The general population, having to pay for the war right now rather than having the option to pass its cost off to future generations will be more resistant to wars of choice and empire building.
@GraberStone Fiat currency enables war to occur, because politicians can print as much as they need to fund a war. And the hopeless citizens will support the inflation, because they believe it's for their safety. This EXACT chain of events, stemming from fiat currency, has happened in every identifiable empire that had fake money since the dawn of time.
I like the ideas you have but you left out one argument. I guess you will get into it in some of your other shows. But what about the argument that without a state the people who have the greater wealth would make a state to protect their assets. What would stop a state free society from turning into Fatalism? I believe you can come up with a fine rebuttal for that one :)
You are good at finding problems but you also need to come up with a solution for some other problems, good luck.
Voluntarism is honesty across the board, voluntarism would be a true uncorrupt democracy. I love this man's message. Monopoly on Sorrow=Citizens/Monopoly on Violence=Government
There is an Islamic view and that is All human beings are deputies of Allah Almighty but not all human admit this but those who admit this shall concentrate their deputy-hood in on man to be called Khalifa . Under Khalifa an Islamic state is to be found based on Allah's Law.The Khalifa should exercise his duties with consultation with Sahib e Raye or Wise people. The state is the mean to seek Allah's will and for the salvation . For more study read 'Islamic State" by Syed Abul Aala Maudoodi .
Its worse in Turkey. You have to pay fee if you dont vote in general elections. They say you have to vote because your ancestors fought for the right to vote! But they dont give me an option! How ridiculous is this?
@Alenthas Same goes in Australia, if you don't vote you get a hefty fine. Personally I don't think any of the leaders are worth voting for so I don't feel I should have to.
@Alenthas Double double speak speak. You are obligated to exercise a voluntary right. You are obligated to pay a voluntary tax. I say don't vote, then don't pay the fee and see what happens. That's what I'd do.
Steph and followers. Check out my short blog about "identity". It is a hilarious delivery of anarchist wit and wisdom on that topic. Enjoy! Search: (wordpress anampaiseanta identity)
Check out Zeitgeist Moving Forward online, it advocates a stateless society but from a holistic system approach perspective through the use of technology to bring society to the highest standard of living possible for the benefit of whole humanity.
I have been 100% convinced of this position for the last 10 years. I KNOW that the government and the statists who love government are sick garbage who should not be in charge of anyone or anything. However I do NOT believe that you can convince the American Idol watching, Obama voting, Fox, MSNBC loving, muslim hating, masses of America of ANYTHING that requires critical thinking and applied logic. They are simply too dumb to "get" it. Besides, they LIKE to be told they can get free stuff.
I have been 100% convinced of this position for the last 10 years. I KNOW that the government and the statists who love government are sick garbage who should not be in charge of anyone or anything. However I do NOT believe that you can convince the American Idol watching, Obama voting, Fox, MSNBC, loving muslim hating masses of America of ANYTHING that requires critical thinking and applied logic. They are simply too dumb to "get" it. Besides the LIKE to be told they will get free stuff.
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@Stefbot Are you really so naive as to believe government arises from unanimous agreement? You never agreed to anything, nor did I. Both of us might agree with some of what government does, or even agree that it is generally a "good" thing, but others don't agree with that at all and "our" agreement came after the fact. Government was already in place before we agreed and we had no choice in the matter.
. NOT ONLY ALL GOVERNMENTS, RELIGION TOO. THERE IS HIDDEN SCIENTIFIC I WILL USE TAKE MY WORD, ITS REAL SCIENTIFIC . NOT POLICE AS WE KNOW THEM NO JAILS OR PRISONS THERE WILL HOUSE REST AND HOSPITALS. AND SMALL CITY BASE ON LOVE AND HELP AND THERE WOULD BE GOVERNMENT BUT NOT AS WE KNOW IT TO DAY 99%LESS AND NOT THE SAME STYLE OF GOVERNMENT DON"T WORRY THERE WILL BE 99% LESS CRIME TO TOO I KNOW TO DO A WAY WITH LANDFILLS EASY ALL WATER SYSTEM AND HUMAN WAST A LOT CHEAPER .
@greenearthnazi20204u Laws do not freedom or safety they only give power to the government. laws don"t bring peace or happiness to people they are used for hate and mind-control .only rights bring freedom and happiness no torturer no killing on prison no killing no beating. i can control 99.7%OF ALL PEOPLE . FEED AND HOUSE EVERYBODY ON EARTH .POWER EVERYTHING 15% TAX I PLAN ON PROVE IT SOON AND WITH NO OIL RELIGION IS MANS IDEAL OF GOD GOD IS SO MUCH MORE
Anarchy simply means Stateless Society, It's only associated with chaos because of the propaganda pumped out throughout your life from the moment you were born. It is true , but you have to do your resarch. Anarchy = anti Heirarchy
@realitycheckvideo Actually this guy supports anarcho-capitalism or voluntarism, which still allows for voluntary hierarchies, but no coercive government.
@Hashishin13 It is a Voluntary hierachy. But advocating such a thing mean that you understand how important you are in society. It mean understanding your position and hoping and dreaming for a greater society. There is a difference between wanting to provide services and being demanded to. Capitalism(a free market) is necessary because it creates stability within a society.
@DeathBringer9000 Well you say you want to form a state body yourself and then say you want to prevent the existance of exaclty what you want to form.
@DeathBringer9000 I guess it would be simply a matter of convincing society to accept the moral code to an extent that they will apply it universally. Everyone already agrees with us about not using violence to achieve one's ends however they exempt those who call themselves the government from that same rule. Beyond that, if a group of sovereign individuals feel that their freedom is threatened by a growing power they will form militias to defend themselves .
@DeathBringer9000 Well there will always be initiation of force and people will defend themselves. And if necessary, concerned and like-minded people might agree to form a militia. It's hard to talk about enforcing anarchy because it's not really a political system - it's actually synonomous with defending one's moral convictions. When we argue about the issues we do so base on a common set of morals - conflicts will result from a moral disagreement .
@DeathBringer9000 If people find there moral code to be incompatible with those surrounding them they could find like-minded individuals and live apart form those that they disagree with. So there could be many groups each with their own means of defence should they be attacked. However this is all theory, and from my experience we tend to have pretty similar moral codes so peacefull cooperation would be in the most people's interests.
@DeathBringer9000 But a state is just an entity that claims to stand apart from our moral code. If a thief comes into my house and threatens to steal my property I say "get out of my house". I don't say "would you please bring some of your friends and let my family vote on who will use my property in my best interests". There may be practical issues in preventing the prevalence of violent monopolies but creating one yourself doesn't solve the problem.
@93msinclair "If people find there moral code to be incompatible with those surrounding them they could find like-minded individuals and live apart form those that they disagree with."
"But a state is just an entity that claims to stand apart from our moral code.'
@DeathBringer9000 By stand apart I mean that they apply the moral code to everyone but themselves - one set of rules for them and another for everyone else. That's not the same as simply having a different set of morals which you apply to yourself as well as others.
@93msinclair The state is one big giant theif. It is the ability to vote which exists only to create the illusion that you have a word. The best way to manipulate people is to make them feel a part, to make them feel needed in such a system, to create the illusion that you're providing to them, the tell them they have rights. The reality is that these people believe they have to be told that they have rights.
@DeathBringer9000 in an anarcho-capitalist society, using force through coercion would be simply recognized as a crime! therefore, everybody who tries to form a state would either go bankrupt or be punished! and I don't think anybody would wanna have a monarchy or a communist regime in the US!
@DeathBringer9000 Laws do not freedom or safety they only give power to the government. laws don"t bring peace or happiness to people they are used for hate and mind-control .only rights bring freedom and happiness no torturer no killing on prison no killing no beating. i can control 99.7%OF ALL PEOPLE . FEED AND HOUSE EVERYBODY ON EARTH .POWER EVERYTHING 15% TAX I PLAN ON PROVE IT SOON AND WITH NO OIL.
@DeathBringer9000 Well, anarchism isn't enforced. That's why it's anachism. I don't believe such a society can exist now. But I believe in the future people will realize how unecessary and terrible such a thing as government is to a society and it's progression as such.
@dalejrfan800 Anarcho-capitalism can have enforcement, just not theft. If someone steals my stuff I'm going to hire, or call the guy I have already paid, to go take my stuff back, through force. Property rights need to be upheld and enforced, but the government upholds and enforces through violating property rights(taxes and regulations), it makes no sense.
You must have misread my comment, I was making an argument against socialistic anarchy.
Laws do not freedom or safety they only give power to the government. laws don"t bring peace or happiness to people they are used for hate and mind-control .only rights bring freedom and happiness no torturer no killing on prison no killing no beating. i can control 99.7%OF ALL PEOPLE . FEED AND HOUSE EVERYBODY ON EARTH .POWER EVERYTHING 15% TAX I PLAN ON PROVE IT SOON AND WITH NO OIL.
@DeathBringer9000 Just as anarchy is not bomb throwing radicals, it is also not a bunch of pansy pacifists. Without a monopoly on action, by noncompliance where possible or by force when necessary, anarchy would be defended by; every anarchist.
With this understanding you can begin it's defense; NOW.
The Cheyenne had only one supreme law - No Cheyenne has the right to tell another Cheyenne what to do. How did they deal with murder? By ceasing to associate with the murderer.
@Herv3 But using a violent monopoly to prevent a violent monopoly is one of the things Government does. So we will use a violent monopoly to prevent the formation of a violent monopoly to prevent the formation of a violent monopoly? Why do we have to use force? Why can't people just understand that violence is dangerous? It would make everything much easier.
@Gerstein1 The government doesn't prevent a violent monopoly if it is a violent monopoly. You can't prevent murder with murder. You can't prevent rape with rape. If everyone thought violence is wrong, there would be no state. You're missing the point about creating by attempting to create a loop that isn't there. The point is that the argument that private defense will create a monopoly doesn't hold up when that's what the government is. Further more, monopolies don't happen without the state.
Maybe it's me but I don't see what the need for a government has to do with arranged marriages... How exactly do arranged marriages prevent anarchy? Or how do you suppose people claim they do?
@SSTTEEAALLTTHH It's not a straw man because Stef is not claiming it is anyone's position. He's using the fact that it's NOT anyone else's position to make a point. en[dot]wikipedia[dot]org/wiki/Straw_man
I want to nominate this man for president, get rid of the super-structure give us back our freedom and responsibilities let those that desire to good prosper not slave under ungrateful retards.
@Rcwatson83 I think you missed the point. Why would anyone want to be part of or support an organization like that (government)? Voluntarily giving up your authority, of your self, to others. Is that your dream? Do you feel like you need to submit yourself? Why?
and also, the plateau is always that, but never recognized...that the status of the political system, as far as political individuals go, that they are 100% incapable of committing violence and/or corruption. it's always the persons struggling to maintain their right to life, that are always seen as susceptible to crime. it's amazing what a dark suit, white shirt and tie can do for the appearance. compound that with a prestigious title and you can't get any closer to godliness than that.
I must contend ur claim or association that governments have rights.(at 4:50). Governments do NOT have rights. They have privileges. Rights are endowed not by man but by a higher being- whether u choose to believe or not. But rights supersede privelages & are inherent & inalienable. Privileges though are granted by men to other men for powers which those men would not otherwise have & may be so revoked at any time
Wow... Hearing all this is like music to my ears! I'm not crazy - just very observant and a little more awake than my immediate family and friends... Jeez Stefan! Where were you and this channel during the dark night my soul?! lol ;-P
I used to believe as you do... but I've slowly (with study and reflection) seen that 'creating' government is essentially saying that we (as a people) are incapable of governing ourselves... Plus it only caters to the violent h8ters anyway. ;-)
@jeshopk Oh yea? I'm glad you keep an open mind. I used to be a minarchist before I began watching Stef's videos. Once you learn exactly how evil the state is, you will see that it doesn't matter how far off anarchism is, you'll see that there is nothing good with monopoly over the initiation of force... Stef believes you should live as a voluntaryist before the world can change, because it can't change if everyone keeps following the same script.
@MrJosephMarzullo It's not about global freedom. It's about living as a voluntaryist in your own life. and that spreads to friends, family, especially offspring. it's like... we can't change the way the world works, but we can change ourselves...
I do agree with what you say and this is very interesting and all that, however when you talk about synonyms you should really be saying that governments have the right to initiate a violent monopoly, unless i am misunderstanding the definition of violence.
This is NWO bullshit! The NWO mafia are selling us cheap propaganda!
But even if this agenda were applied of course there would still be a government but these people who are promoting "stateless" societies want the GLOBAL (i.e. One World) government! The only difference is that this One World Government would be hidden behind a deception of the so called "free market"!
That is way they are promoting "stateless" societies - because they want ONE state with ONE (global) government. All societies are based on HIERARCHY! These people only want that existing pyramids of hierarchies merge into one global (one world) pyramid, with one world government. That is why they need destruction of the existing societies.
I will be honest - I believe in One World Government, but my objection to the Project NWO is that these people are trying to implement the agenda through deception, mass robbery, manufacturing artificial economic crises... and other tricks free-masons use.
One world government has to be implemented only through voluntary and free will of the people in the existing countries! People must have open and public debates and be fully aware of all the positive and negative consequences of the agenda.
When this will is no longer present (for example due to having a state internally divided due to animosity or even hatred between cultures, races, religions...) states collapse and disintegrate but people rearrange and organize new states. New states form on corpses of the old ones.
Having many states in the world does not go into collision with One World Government. After all one government cannot control the whole world from one place.
But as I said - one way or another, with One World Government or without it, whatever we implement must be based on the FREE will of the people which has to crystallize through LONG, thorough, open and public debates!
For example why would one want to go into "one world stateless marriage" with people whose state/country is based on (and has long tradition of) racism, fascism, exploitation of not only domestic population but even other peoples throughout the world through military aggressions?
@mac9876ab Oh you are being ridiculous. Clearly people who don't support a local government (which is always better than a giant central planner) would never support something worst such as a global government. Not only that, this might actually be the best solution against NWO (if such a thing actually exist which I think it most likely does). Please step out of paranoia and try to think clearly with your head.
@jeshopk DROs, for example. Read Stef's book, Practical Anarchy, for free. It's not my job to stop global authoritarians, but why would you choose to join them? Surely voluntaryism is a worthy goal
People seem to never understand that anarchism (anarcho-syndacalism/libertarian socialism) will always imply that your liberty is based on your respect for others liberty.
@jeshopk I never mentioned a society. I believe all individuals should be free to live their own lives. Voluntary societies are ok, but no one should be forced to be apart of them. Just because there's wannabe dictators in the world, doesn't mean you give in to their desires. They simply have psychological issues, otherwise, they would find a job and stop worrying about controlling other people. Guys like Barack Obama and GWB would be serving us our fries in a free market setting.
@tetrahydroscope As long as you are ok with socialism then by all means build an anarchic society...for prolonged anarchy only produces the fundamentals for which pure socialism can prosper. "Government" exists in the very nature of humanity, and it is evil, this is why the profound question echoing throughout history is not will we evolve from statism, but rather how can we stop the ambitions of evil men?
This eurotrash keeps talking about government force like he's scared that his prime minister is going to beat him up at lunch. The U.S. government allows citizens to use violence against each other under certain circumstances. Anyone who prefers a government that let's you beat up its soldiers must either have a gaping, wet vagina between their legs... or is a chickenshit boy posing as a man.
rfrantzt 1 month ago
@rfrantzt its called a Constitutional Republic where the rights of 99% do not out weigh those of 1%. All are equally protected, soldier, people everyone...in a perfect world.
justaman6972 3 weeks ago
@rfrantzt those who must resort to violence and hateful comments rather than using courtsey and dialogue, diplomacy and patience is still of a primative genetic foundation, the shallow end of the gene pool. He that is resolute in AN EYE FOR AN EYE would have the whole world blind rather than admit to willingly offering comity,and reciprocity. To over come another man is strong,to overcome self is mighty! Yes i'll wait till you look up all those bigOLE werds...
justaman6972 3 weeks ago
He describes government as "they" and the rest of us as "you". As someone who has worked for the government and in the private sector, this makes him sound like a jackass. The government IS you, unless you choose not to participate. I have never held a "legislative" position, but anyone who is employed by the government is a GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEE.
rfrantzt 1 month ago
@rfrantzt So you're saying that I am the government as long as I vote? So if I vote then I am responsible for what the government does because I am the government? Regardless of whether or not I disagree with it or even if I know that it is morally wrong? How do you figure?
09jake12 1 week ago
@09jake12 The government is us because you must be a U.S. citizen to be in the U.S. government. There are plenty of politicians who come from meager beginnings including Bill Clinton, Jimmy Carter, and Rick Perry. This means that government power is more accessible to its people than any other government.
rfrantzt 1 week ago
@rfrantzt "The government is us because you must be a U.S. citizen to be in the U.S. government." This statement makes no sense. I fully understand what you are driving at though. Yes, I think it is great that people have much better opportunities and representation than in say, under a dictatorship. But that is not the point. I have the right to vote and get in to the government, but not the right to refuse the theft of taxation without being shot or thrown in jail?
09jake12 1 week ago
@09jake12 Look man, if you don't like taxes you should move to some part of the world that is not a "country". Perhaps you could be adopted by a south American rainforest tribe. I'm sure they will insist you contribute, in other words "tax" your labor in exchange for the support of the collective. If you don't understand taxation its only because you are immature. We can debate HOW taxes are spent, but when you say you don't believe in paying taxes then it becomes obvious you aren't serious.
rfrantzt 1 week ago
@rfrantzt Primitive tribes have structures similar to the state complete with their own version of propaganda. It just comes from witch doctors and shaman rather than news anchors and bureaucrats. Saying I could "be adopted by a south American rainforest tribe" and saying that I am "immature" is not an argument. Anarchy is the ultimate and inevitable social system, all it really means is put the guns down and let's talk. And no, it does not require everyone to be perfect angels.
09jake12 1 week ago
@09jake12
FATAL FLAW REVEALED IN 3.... 2.... 1....
Who exactly are you going to put in charge of telling everyone to put their guns down? Do you expect this epiphany of disarmament to occur simultaneously across the human species? Peace is AGAINST the laws of nature. Peace must be enforced by people who are bound to an agreed upon set of rules, regulation, and taxation. Our taxes unit us. They are what make us American. Without taxes no one is invested, America dies.
rfrantzt 1 week ago
@09jake12
FATAL FLAW REVEALED IN 3.... 2.... 1....
Who exactly are you going to put in charge of telling everyone to put their guns down? Do you expect this epiphany of disarmament to occur simultaneously across the human species? Peace is AGAINST the laws of nature. Peace must be enforced by people who are bound to an agreed upon set of rules, regulation, and taxation. Our taxes unit us. They are what make us American. Without taxes no one is invested, America dies.
rfrantzt 1 week ago
@rfrantzt I am glad you are still grappling with this issue. It shows that you care and that besides your comment, you might actually think values are more important than getting laid.(Its a though call though lol) This is what philosophy is all about! Anyways, no, I do not believe that everyone will magically put their guns down all at once and everyone will turn into perfectly peaceful human beings. I am saying that the a universal non aggression principle needs to be spread before
09jake12 1 week ago
@09jake12 (continued) we can ever even hope to make steps towards a world that is sane, peaceful and ethical. What I am saying is, that we need to get a lot of people to at least acknowledge the problem before we can do anything. This is the same way all major advances in culture are made.
09jake12 1 week ago
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@09jake12
Who exactly are you going to put in charge of telling everyone to put their guns down? Do you expect this epiphany of disarmament to occur simultaneously across the human species? Peace is AGAINST the laws of nature. Peace must be enforced by people who are bound to an agreed upon set of rules, regulation, and taxation. Our taxes unit us. They are what make us American. Without taxes no one is invested, America dies.
rfrantzt 1 week ago
Without the government be prepared for rape and murder to skyrocket.
rfrantzt 1 month ago
@rfrantzt you mean WITH government expect skyrocketing rape and murder to continue. Govt. does nothing in the way of protecting anyone from rape or murder. Some shit happens then maybe they call the cops and maybe they'll show up and maybe someone(maybe not the right one) will be jailed for the crime.Reactionary element at best. Causational factor no doubt, to much of the nation's malady.
justaman6972 3 weeks ago
@justaman6972 People like you are the reason we need NDAA. Your ideas are so extreme that there is surely no reasoning with you. Government causes American rape and murder? Doubtful. Get your head out of your ass.
rfrantzt 3 weeks ago
@rfrantzt No attempt at reasoning was ever made, so your statement is without merit.Government allowed by ratification a private bank called Federal Reserve to print counterfeit currency and control the amount and value.People will kill each other with 3 main causational factors,money,drugs and a signifigant other,Govt.has dirty hands in 2 of the 3 areas,so government causes rape and murder on a global scale.Govt. can't offer a good or service w/o it being at the point of a gun,Think!!
justaman6972 3 weeks ago
@justaman6972
You talk like a robot, so its obvious you don't get laid. Vaginal canal located between thighs of human female. Pre-coital stimulation is preferred but not required, although youtube video information assimilation must terminate prior to inserting erect phalus into consenting human. Opposite sex chromosome orientation is preferred, but same sex chromosome orientation is also acceptable according to modern western law and cultural practice.
rfrantzt 1 week ago
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09jake12 1 week ago
@rfrantzt I lol'd not gonna lie, you almost have to talk like a robot if you want to make a valid argument though.
09jake12 1 week ago
@rfrantzt pedantic ad homenim personal attacks offer zero credibility for you. You know jack shit about law,US citizenship and its consequences and offer parrotted mimicked fantasy at best. No facts ,or citations or sources of authority offered either,yes we know exactly who and what you are, a tool,nothing more.Good day.
justaman6972 1 week ago
@justaman6972 ... i'm just glad you turned off your robot voice this time.
rfrantzt 1 week ago
His definition of "goverment" is bogus. Look it up in the dictionary.
Skoda130 3 months ago
@Skoda130 he used the definition of "statism"
Yoni89 3 months ago
@Yoni89 No, he's mixing and making up a definition of "government" at 3:48 . It's this kind of newspeech that propagandists often use.
Skoda130 3 months ago
@Skoda130
it's an accurate description of reality.
IFE10M 2 months ago
@Skoda130
If you look up the definition, you'll find you are very wrong.
jaykgrey 2 months ago
@jaykgrey I did, and I am right. It's as simple as that.
Skoda130 2 months ago
@Skoda130 Definitions found in a dictionary don't always match reality. Could you explain how the definition used in the video doesn't conform with reality?
AnarchistDictator 1 month ago
@AnarchistDictator "Definitions found in a dictionary don't always match reality." In that case, you have to look for a better definition instead of altering them. Altering definitions equals "newspeech". The false definition used in the video however neither fits reality. A government, for example, that claims to be a moral monopolist, wouldn't be elected in the first place. Like in North Korea, for example. That's a "moral monopolist state", a dictatorship.
Skoda130 1 month ago
@Skoda130 Government is monopolistic in the use of force. It's a murky landscape when it comes to defending your own property through the use of force, unless it's an agent of the government exercising force on your behalf. That's observable phenomena, and all that's necessary to back up the definition of government as a "moral monopolistic state." "Newspeak" is the central, authoritarian guiding of language, as opposed to a natural drift of language. Only authorities are capable of using it.
intricatic 1 month ago
@intricatic Using language is futile if there aren't any common rules for using it. You just made your own comment completely senseless. You can;t use "natural drift" as an excuse to change the meaning of words as you please. Oh, wait, you CAN, but in that case it's the end of the discussion on my part.
Skoda130 1 month ago
@Skoda130 Do you know the etymology behind the word "radical", by any chance? It's evolved from the Latin "radix", which means "root". It's taken on different meanings in connotation and denotation over the expanse of time since it originally came to be, from whence it no doubt evolved from an even more ancient language now forgotten to history. Such is the nature of language. If the connotation fits the subject, it's valid use of language.
intricatic 1 month ago
@intricatic Yeah, nice.. But that doesn't happen overnight.
Skoda130 1 month ago
@Skoda130 It happens every time some new cliche'd phraseology is invented as a popular idiom. Sweet. Cool. Hot. Radical. Uber. Spiffy.
As I said; if the connotation fits the subject, it's valid use of language.
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Skoda130 1 month ago
@intricatic this is why much American and English legal maximums are in Latin. The meaning doesn't change due to a dead tongue. It means exactly what it means and allows no room for interpretation to the latest vernacular. It also allows for a monopoly to become established since few universities offewr Latin as a major,maybe the preisthood, and we know about those closet dwelling skeletons lurking in the shadows proping up this club called the BAR.
Pax aut bellum.
justaman6972 3 weeks ago
@justaman6972 Most english is rooted in latin and greek. The meanings and different shades thereof are easy enough to identify and remain essentially fixed; new meanings simply affix themselves through connotation in a spoken tongue. Honestly, I prefer latin and ancient greek, but I'm a language nut.
intricatic 3 weeks ago
"Dogs living with cats" - Excellent Ghostbusters plagiarism! :D
kevinward76 4 months ago
Great video, thanks!
planetofelites 4 months ago
This man is assuming the govenments only role is initiating force.
Drwallerbong 4 months ago
The question is, how much of the taxes you pay actually goes to things you want them to go too,
and what happens if you would refuse to pay the taxes because you just didn't agree on where the money went?
@Drwallerbong
trapedd 4 months ago
I disagree to the extent; the government does not have the total right to initiate force they only have the right to up hold the law, according to the voice of the people. If they act outside of the law they they are subject to the Law.
CTR831 5 months ago
@CTR831 Considering that the government creates said laws, through either congressional act or executive order, the government decides where force should be initiated. It's like if you were to be able to set your own salary at your job. It would be in your best interest to give yourself a high salary. The government will create and enact laws that ensure its existence and that further establish its power. It sets its own limits.
imreloadin2 4 months ago
monopoly on violence not a "violent monopoly"
QuickSilverD 5 months ago
What a pile of ridiculous BS.
Xanous 6 months ago
I like the suit
solokeith5000 6 months ago
Wait... Quick question... How does a Fiat currency allow war exactly? It seems like a bit of a logical leap somewhere that I didn't follow.
GraberStone 6 months ago
@GraberStone Stefbot covers it in his presentation at 3:55 “violence cost a lot of money and unless you can shield that price from the voters immediately you get a rebellion”
nige321 6 months ago
If a government wants to wage war it needs money. If it doesn't have a central bank with the ability to print fake money, this government will be required to tax the population in order to fund the war. The general population, having to pay for the war right now rather than having the option to pass its cost off to future generations will be more resistant to wars of choice and empire building.
nige321 6 months ago
@GraberStone Fiat currency enables war to occur, because politicians can print as much as they need to fund a war. And the hopeless citizens will support the inflation, because they believe it's for their safety. This EXACT chain of events, stemming from fiat currency, has happened in every identifiable empire that had fake money since the dawn of time.
TimothyADonaghue 5 months ago
I like the ideas you have but you left out one argument. I guess you will get into it in some of your other shows. But what about the argument that without a state the people who have the greater wealth would make a state to protect their assets. What would stop a state free society from turning into Fatalism? I believe you can come up with a fine rebuttal for that one :)
You are good at finding problems but you also need to come up with a solution for some other problems, good luck.
WEH1123 8 months ago
@WEH1123 I would also like to see a video about that! :)
robopesant 6 months ago
Fallacy alert: the government is not a violent monopoly.
jts4549 8 months ago
@jts4549
FYI you owe me $200 in 'fallacy alert tax' to be payed to me directly via paypal. Thank you!
Failure to pay my invented tax will result in threatening letters, bailiffs and possible imprisonment.
Oh wait..... I can't tax you ... only the government can :(
theawecabinet 6 months ago
Voluntarism is honesty across the board, voluntarism would be a true uncorrupt democracy. I love this man's message. Monopoly on Sorrow=Citizens/Monopoly on Violence=Government
rockoutmichigan 8 months ago 3
"Statism is intellectually bankrupt." ...and morally bankrupt, and economically bankrupt...need I go on? :P
vspqbd 8 months ago
Another argument that I detest: "You consent by voting."
vspqbd 8 months ago
STEFBOT U ARE AWESOME!!!!!!!!!
MrARNALDOSEIJASBIEL 8 months ago 18
There is an Islamic view and that is All human beings are deputies of Allah Almighty but not all human admit this but those who admit this shall concentrate their deputy-hood in on man to be called Khalifa . Under Khalifa an Islamic state is to be found based on Allah's Law.The Khalifa should exercise his duties with consultation with Sahib e Raye or Wise people. The state is the mean to seek Allah's will and for the salvation . For more study read 'Islamic State" by Syed Abul Aala Maudoodi .
naeemwk 8 months ago
You're awesome! thanks for all the videos you're making.
trapedd 9 months ago
Great argument. I really enjoyed this video.
pleeeeep 9 months ago
Its worse in Turkey. You have to pay fee if you dont vote in general elections. They say you have to vote because your ancestors fought for the right to vote! But they dont give me an option! How ridiculous is this?
Alenthas 10 months ago 19
@Alenthas Same goes in Australia, if you don't vote you get a hefty fine. Personally I don't think any of the leaders are worth voting for so I don't feel I should have to.
sand0341 3 months ago
@sand0341 I just vote empty, its my "screw you" to the system.
Alenthas 3 months ago
@Alenthas I feel you man same thing happens here in Brazil
rodrigodet 2 months ago
@Alenthas Double double speak speak. You are obligated to exercise a voluntary right. You are obligated to pay a voluntary tax. I say don't vote, then don't pay the fee and see what happens. That's what I'd do.
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anampaiseanta 11 months ago
Dogs living with cats??
uhclem 11 months ago 2
Check out Zeitgeist Moving Forward online, it advocates a stateless society but from a holistic system approach perspective through the use of technology to bring society to the highest standard of living possible for the benefit of whole humanity.
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DeathBringer9000 1 year ago
I have been 100% convinced of this position for the last 10 years. I KNOW that the government and the statists who love government are sick garbage who should not be in charge of anyone or anything. However I do NOT believe that you can convince the American Idol watching, Obama voting, Fox, MSNBC loving, muslim hating, masses of America of ANYTHING that requires critical thinking and applied logic. They are simply too dumb to "get" it. Besides, they LIKE to be told they can get free stuff.
ok1jwc 1 year ago
I have been 100% convinced of this position for the last 10 years. I KNOW that the government and the statists who love government are sick garbage who should not be in charge of anyone or anything. However I do NOT believe that you can convince the American Idol watching, Obama voting, Fox, MSNBC, loving muslim hating masses of America of ANYTHING that requires critical thinking and applied logic. They are simply too dumb to "get" it. Besides the LIKE to be told they will get free stuff.
ok1jwc 1 year ago
How long does the state have to lie to us before we call it a liar ?
mlmr11 1 year ago
1) Freedom of choice (fail)
2) As above, so below (fail)
3) The law of intent (fail)
This is what government is for, to fail 3 of the most important laws of life...
Its down to the individual not the government to uphold these laws. Take note and take responsibility for yourself.
bodunchar 1 year ago
It's not bitching he does, it is informing. That's a start.
pecks05 1 year ago
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eyejudgeeverything 1 year ago
@Stefbot Are you really so naive as to believe government arises from unanimous agreement? You never agreed to anything, nor did I. Both of us might agree with some of what government does, or even agree that it is generally a "good" thing, but others don't agree with that at all and "our" agreement came after the fact. Government was already in place before we agreed and we had no choice in the matter.
GrouchoLenin 1 year ago 6
@GrouchoLenin I completely agree, I hope that you keep listening... :)
stefbot 1 year ago 9
@stefbot lol
rmcc0002 1 year ago
. NOT ONLY ALL GOVERNMENTS, RELIGION TOO. THERE IS HIDDEN SCIENTIFIC I WILL USE TAKE MY WORD, ITS REAL SCIENTIFIC . NOT POLICE AS WE KNOW THEM NO JAILS OR PRISONS THERE WILL HOUSE REST AND HOSPITALS. AND SMALL CITY BASE ON LOVE AND HELP AND THERE WOULD BE GOVERNMENT BUT NOT AS WE KNOW IT TO DAY 99%LESS AND NOT THE SAME STYLE OF GOVERNMENT DON"T WORRY THERE WILL BE 99% LESS CRIME TO TOO I KNOW TO DO A WAY WITH LANDFILLS EASY ALL WATER SYSTEM AND HUMAN WAST A LOT CHEAPER .
greenearthnazi20204u 1 year ago
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@greenearthnazi20204u Laws do not freedom or safety they only give power to the government. laws don"t bring peace or happiness to people they are used for hate and mind-control .only rights bring freedom and happiness no torturer no killing on prison no killing no beating. i can control 99.7%OF ALL PEOPLE . FEED AND HOUSE EVERYBODY ON EARTH .POWER EVERYTHING 15% TAX I PLAN ON PROVE IT SOON AND WITH NO OIL RELIGION IS MANS IDEAL OF GOD GOD IS SO MUCH MORE
greenearthnazi20204u 1 year ago
@GrouchoLenin You're right!! i told 'm to stop bombing... but alas.. no reply..
cmonconan 6 months ago
Acording to scientology it is the reactive mind that cause all these idiotcy.
AlexCrazyHand 1 year ago
Don't you just hate CORRUPTION!!!!
madcazspin 1 year ago
funny how I didn't learn about fiat currency in school. but of course. it makes sense! Why would the government hurt itself?
sniped101 1 year ago
You never get tired of lying and I never get tired of rejecting it.
MeX2004 1 year ago
@MeX2004 huh?
sniped101 1 year ago
@DanteMcSparda pretending that youre better than everyone else wont get anyone anywhere
DeathBringer9000 1 year ago
Anarchy simply means Stateless Society, It's only associated with chaos because of the propaganda pumped out throughout your life from the moment you were born. It is true , but you have to do your resarch. Anarchy = anti Heirarchy
realitycheckvideo 1 year ago 17
@realitycheckvideo Actually this guy supports anarcho-capitalism or voluntarism, which still allows for voluntary hierarchies, but no coercive government.
Hashishin13 1 year ago
@Hashishin13 It is a Voluntary hierachy. But advocating such a thing mean that you understand how important you are in society. It mean understanding your position and hoping and dreaming for a greater society. There is a difference between wanting to provide services and being demanded to. Capitalism(a free market) is necessary because it creates stability within a society.
dalejrfan800 1 year ago
Your video is great. Thank you for your sharing.
many9662 1 year ago
without someone to enforce anarchy, whats to stop another state entity from forming?
DeathBringer9000 1 year ago 7
@DeathBringer9000 - exactly! So just play by the elitist rules and, hopefully, you will receive your share of the cake.
NetuPodStolomNikogo 1 year ago
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russmsk 1 year ago
@russmsk - сруский пидорок, следишь за мной, да? Смотри мне, всю твою семью вырежу.
NetuPodStolomNikogo 1 year ago
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russmsk 1 year ago
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russmsk 1 year ago
@NetuPodStolomNikogo my question still stands
DeathBringer9000 1 year ago
@DeathBringer9000
Enforcement, wouldnt that be some sort of dreaded "SYSTEM"?!?!
GnomesAmok 1 year ago
@DeathBringer9000 So we need a government to prevent the emergence of a government?
93msinclair 1 year ago
@93msinclair how else can you be assured that a state body will not form?
DeathBringer9000 1 year ago
@DeathBringer9000 Well you say you want to form a state body yourself and then say you want to prevent the existance of exaclty what you want to form.
93msinclair 1 year ago
@93msinclair i dont care either way, but the question still stands. how are you gonna stop the formation of a new state in the future?
DeathBringer9000 1 year ago
@DeathBringer9000 I guess it would be simply a matter of convincing society to accept the moral code to an extent that they will apply it universally. Everyone already agrees with us about not using violence to achieve one's ends however they exempt those who call themselves the government from that same rule. Beyond that, if a group of sovereign individuals feel that their freedom is threatened by a growing power they will form militias to defend themselves .
93msinclair 1 year ago
@93msinclair so the militias would enforce the anarchy?
DeathBringer9000 1 year ago
@DeathBringer9000 Well there will always be initiation of force and people will defend themselves. And if necessary, concerned and like-minded people might agree to form a militia. It's hard to talk about enforcing anarchy because it's not really a political system - it's actually synonomous with defending one's moral convictions. When we argue about the issues we do so base on a common set of morals - conflicts will result from a moral disagreement .
93msinclair 1 year ago
@93msinclair so we'll need a group to impose the common morals, to keep them from being misunderstood or twisted
DeathBringer9000 1 year ago
@DeathBringer9000 If people find there moral code to be incompatible with those surrounding them they could find like-minded individuals and live apart form those that they disagree with. So there could be many groups each with their own means of defence should they be attacked. However this is all theory, and from my experience we tend to have pretty similar moral codes so peacefull cooperation would be in the most people's interests.
93msinclair 1 year ago
@93msinclair but none of this ensures the perpetuation of the anarchy, but really makes it easier for a state to form
DeathBringer9000 1 year ago
@DeathBringer9000 But a state is just an entity that claims to stand apart from our moral code. If a thief comes into my house and threatens to steal my property I say "get out of my house". I don't say "would you please bring some of your friends and let my family vote on who will use my property in my best interests". There may be practical issues in preventing the prevalence of violent monopolies but creating one yourself doesn't solve the problem.
93msinclair 1 year ago
@93msinclair "If people find there moral code to be incompatible with those surrounding them they could find like-minded individuals and live apart form those that they disagree with."
"But a state is just an entity that claims to stand apart from our moral code.'
DeathBringer9000 1 year ago
@DeathBringer9000 By stand apart I mean that they apply the moral code to everyone but themselves - one set of rules for them and another for everyone else. That's not the same as simply having a different set of morals which you apply to yourself as well as others.
93msinclair 1 year ago
@93msinclair The state is one big giant theif. It is the ability to vote which exists only to create the illusion that you have a word. The best way to manipulate people is to make them feel a part, to make them feel needed in such a system, to create the illusion that you're providing to them, the tell them they have rights. The reality is that these people believe they have to be told that they have rights.
dalejrfan800 1 year ago
@dalejrfan800 Agreed :)
93msinclair 1 year ago
@DeathBringer9000 in an anarcho-capitalist society, using force through coercion would be simply recognized as a crime! therefore, everybody who tries to form a state would either go bankrupt or be punished! and I don't think anybody would wanna have a monarchy or a communist regime in the US!
PrimateDynasty 1 year ago
@PrimateDynasty punished by who? how can you have crime without laws to break? how can you have laws without someone to pass and enforce them?
DeathBringer9000 1 year ago
@DeathBringer9000 watch the David Friedman on anarchy and efficient laws! he has all your answers
PrimateDynasty 1 year ago
@PrimateDynasty if you have such faith in anarchy, you should be able to answer, and not defer to the bishop.
DeathBringer9000 1 year ago
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@DeathBringer9000 Laws do not freedom or safety they only give power to the government. laws don"t bring peace or happiness to people they are used for hate and mind-control .only rights bring freedom and happiness no torturer no killing on prison no killing no beating. i can control 99.7%OF ALL PEOPLE . FEED AND HOUSE EVERYBODY ON EARTH .POWER EVERYTHING 15% TAX I PLAN ON PROVE IT SOON AND WITH NO OIL.
greenearthnazi20204u 1 year ago
@DeathBringer9000 Well, anarchism isn't enforced. That's why it's anachism. I don't believe such a society can exist now. But I believe in the future people will realize how unecessary and terrible such a thing as government is to a society and it's progression as such.
dalejrfan800 1 year ago
@dalejrfan800 Anarcho-capitalism can have enforcement, just not theft. If someone steals my stuff I'm going to hire, or call the guy I have already paid, to go take my stuff back, through force. Property rights need to be upheld and enforced, but the government upholds and enforces through violating property rights(taxes and regulations), it makes no sense.
You must have misread my comment, I was making an argument against socialistic anarchy.
Hashishin13 1 year ago
@dalejrfan800 maybe so
DeathBringer9000 1 year ago
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Laws do not freedom or safety they only give power to the government. laws don"t bring peace or happiness to people they are used for hate and mind-control .only rights bring freedom and happiness no torturer no killing on prison no killing no beating. i can control 99.7%OF ALL PEOPLE . FEED AND HOUSE EVERYBODY ON EARTH .POWER EVERYTHING 15% TAX I PLAN ON PROVE IT SOON AND WITH NO OIL.
greenearthnazi20204u 1 year ago
@DeathBringer9000 Just as anarchy is not bomb throwing radicals, it is also not a bunch of pansy pacifists. Without a monopoly on action, by noncompliance where possible or by force when necessary, anarchy would be defended by; every anarchist.
With this understanding you can begin it's defense; NOW.
The Cheyenne had only one supreme law - No Cheyenne has the right to tell another Cheyenne what to do. How did they deal with murder? By ceasing to associate with the murderer.
IsaacBickerstaffEsq 11 months ago 2
@DeathBringer9000 So we need a violent monopoly to prevent a violent monopoly?
Herv3 11 months ago 2
@Herv3 But using a violent monopoly to prevent a violent monopoly is one of the things Government does. So we will use a violent monopoly to prevent the formation of a violent monopoly to prevent the formation of a violent monopoly? Why do we have to use force? Why can't people just understand that violence is dangerous? It would make everything much easier.
Gerstein1 10 months ago
@Gerstein1 The government doesn't prevent a violent monopoly if it is a violent monopoly. You can't prevent murder with murder. You can't prevent rape with rape. If everyone thought violence is wrong, there would be no state. You're missing the point about creating by attempting to create a loop that isn't there. The point is that the argument that private defense will create a monopoly doesn't hold up when that's what the government is. Further more, monopolies don't happen without the state.
Herv3 10 months ago
@Herv3 I know, I agree. I was joking.
Gerstein1 10 months ago
@DeathBringer9000 No one will fund it, it will collapse before it gets its feet off of the economic ground.
Gerstein1 10 months ago
Maybe it's me but I don't see what the need for a government has to do with arranged marriages... How exactly do arranged marriages prevent anarchy? Or how do you suppose people claim they do?
SSTTEEAALLTTHH 1 year ago
@SSTTEEAALLTTHH It's supposed to function as a counter-example. It's a call for consistency in one's attitudes toward government rule.
eulercircles 1 year ago
@eulercircles
Really? Seems like a straw-man arguments to me. It's easier to debunk "arranged marriages prevent anarchy" then "governments prevent anarchy".
SSTTEEAALLTTHH 1 year ago
@SSTTEEAALLTTHH It's not a straw man because Stef is not claiming it is anyone's position. He's using the fact that it's NOT anyone else's position to make a point. en[dot]wikipedia[dot]org/wiki/Straw_man
eulercircles 1 year ago
I want to nominate this man for president, get rid of the super-structure give us back our freedom and responsibilities let those that desire to good prosper not slave under ungrateful retards.
Rcwatson83 1 year ago
@Rcwatson83 I think you missed the point. Why would anyone want to be part of or support an organization like that (government)? Voluntarily giving up your authority, of your self, to others. Is that your dream? Do you feel like you need to submit yourself? Why?
Ulmdorgr 1 year ago
You CAN NOT have a War without "fiat currency'... think people think.
texme 1 year ago
They have no right to initiate force. They give themselves the privilege of being able to initiate force.
arcanekrusader 1 year ago
and also, the plateau is always that, but never recognized...that the status of the political system, as far as political individuals go, that they are 100% incapable of committing violence and/or corruption. it's always the persons struggling to maintain their right to life, that are always seen as susceptible to crime. it's amazing what a dark suit, white shirt and tie can do for the appearance. compound that with a prestigious title and you can't get any closer to godliness than that.
dentistsugardusty 1 year ago
Raperoom????????? What? Bad joke i hope!!!
stromak 1 year ago
@stromak
More often referred to as a "prison"
filseyphill 1 year ago
why does the third part of this series have so many more views then the first two?
Debatewithme 1 year ago
I think your definition of "government" would be more appropriate for "state"
IsaacKarjala 1 year ago
Instead of saying government for now on I will say the violent monopoly. That name truly fits.
xTAxGUNZ 1 year ago
So, a christian statist republic would devolve into imperial socialism? Isn't that hitler? Thats scary
Empathica1 1 year ago
I must contend ur claim or association that governments have rights.(at 4:50). Governments do NOT have rights. They have privileges. Rights are endowed not by man but by a higher being- whether u choose to believe or not. But rights supersede privelages & are inherent & inalienable. Privileges though are granted by men to other men for powers which those men would not otherwise have & may be so revoked at any time
swu880 1 year ago
....this is what i call...controlled opposition.
If you have a theory, that runs contrary to the ruling class,
you DONT get published in the guardian
sgentlemanjack112 1 year ago
@sgentlemanjack112 what's the guardian?
blackeyedsiouxsanify 1 year ago
@blackeyedsiouxsanify it's a lefty newspaper: my gf works for it :S
arcanekrusader 1 year ago
Wow... Hearing all this is like music to my ears! I'm not crazy - just very observant and a little more awake than my immediate family and friends... Jeez Stefan! Where were you and this channel during the dark night my soul?! lol ;-P
@mac9876ab
I used to believe as you do... but I've slowly (with study and reflection) seen that 'creating' government is essentially saying that we (as a people) are incapable of governing ourselves... Plus it only caters to the violent h8ters anyway. ;-)
NemaselsNeo 1 year ago
Of course there would be Anarchy without Governemnt. That's like saying without light, there would be darkness!
dalejrfan800 1 year ago
@jeshopk Oh yea? I'm glad you keep an open mind. I used to be a minarchist before I began watching Stef's videos. Once you learn exactly how evil the state is, you will see that it doesn't matter how far off anarchism is, you'll see that there is nothing good with monopoly over the initiation of force... Stef believes you should live as a voluntaryist before the world can change, because it can't change if everyone keeps following the same script.
MrJosephMarzullo 1 year ago
@MrJosephMarzullo It's not about global freedom. It's about living as a voluntaryist in your own life. and that spreads to friends, family, especially offspring. it's like... we can't change the way the world works, but we can change ourselves...
MrJosephMarzullo 1 year ago
I do agree with what you say and this is very interesting and all that, however when you talk about synonyms you should really be saying that governments have the right to initiate a violent monopoly, unless i am misunderstanding the definition of violence.
MultiMrpickle 1 year ago
This is NWO bullshit! The NWO mafia are selling us cheap propaganda!
But even if this agenda were applied of course there would still be a government but these people who are promoting "stateless" societies want the GLOBAL (i.e. One World) government! The only difference is that this One World Government would be hidden behind a deception of the so called "free market"!
mac9876ab 1 year ago
That is way they are promoting "stateless" societies - because they want ONE state with ONE (global) government. All societies are based on HIERARCHY! These people only want that existing pyramids of hierarchies merge into one global (one world) pyramid, with one world government. That is why they need destruction of the existing societies.
mac9876ab 1 year ago
I will be honest - I believe in One World Government, but my objection to the Project NWO is that these people are trying to implement the agenda through deception, mass robbery, manufacturing artificial economic crises... and other tricks free-masons use.
One world government has to be implemented only through voluntary and free will of the people in the existing countries! People must have open and public debates and be fully aware of all the positive and negative consequences of the agenda.
mac9876ab 1 year ago
Current states in the world are result of the FREE will of the people on a piece of territory to form an organization that has to:
1) ensure implementation of the laws which are based on the COMMON culture and style of living
2) protect them from the external and internal threats
3) ensure good functioning of the juridical, economic, educational, health care systems
mac9876ab 1 year ago
When this will is no longer present (for example due to having a state internally divided due to animosity or even hatred between cultures, races, religions...) states collapse and disintegrate but people rearrange and organize new states. New states form on corpses of the old ones.
Having many states in the world does not go into collision with One World Government. After all one government cannot control the whole world from one place.
mac9876ab 1 year ago
But as I said - one way or another, with One World Government or without it, whatever we implement must be based on the FREE will of the people which has to crystallize through LONG, thorough, open and public debates!
For example why would one want to go into "one world stateless marriage" with people whose state/country is based on (and has long tradition of) racism, fascism, exploitation of not only domestic population but even other peoples throughout the world through military aggressions?
mac9876ab 1 year ago
@mac9876ab Haha, but does it succeed? Naw. Didn't think so. Even if it did, in today as tame as man's become is it necessary? Naw, didn't think so.
dalejrfan800 1 year ago
@mac9876ab You're a fucking Idiot. I support not Government or any kind. I am Anarchist. You're a fucking moron.
dalejrfan800 1 year ago
@mac9876ab Oh you are being ridiculous. Clearly people who don't support a local government (which is always better than a giant central planner) would never support something worst such as a global government. Not only that, this might actually be the best solution against NWO (if such a thing actually exist which I think it most likely does). Please step out of paranoia and try to think clearly with your head.
spol07 1 year ago
@jeshopk DROs, for example. Read Stef's book, Practical Anarchy, for free. It's not my job to stop global authoritarians, but why would you choose to join them? Surely voluntaryism is a worthy goal
MrJosephMarzullo 1 year ago
People seem to never understand that anarchism (anarcho-syndacalism/libertarian socialism) will always imply that your liberty is based on your respect for others liberty.
tetrahydroscope 1 year ago
@jeshopk I never mentioned a society. I believe all individuals should be free to live their own lives. Voluntary societies are ok, but no one should be forced to be apart of them. Just because there's wannabe dictators in the world, doesn't mean you give in to their desires. They simply have psychological issues, otherwise, they would find a job and stop worrying about controlling other people. Guys like Barack Obama and GWB would be serving us our fries in a free market setting.
MrJosephMarzullo 1 year ago
@jeshopk why form groups with people you disagree with? a debating society? open your mind
MrJosephMarzullo 1 year ago
statism is not dead, but alive more than ever...
LoverOfTruth2010 1 year ago
@LoverOfTruth2010 in actions yes, but intellectually dead
tetrahydroscope 1 year ago
@tetrahydroscope As long as you are ok with socialism then by all means build an anarchic society...for prolonged anarchy only produces the fundamentals for which pure socialism can prosper. "Government" exists in the very nature of humanity, and it is evil, this is why the profound question echoing throughout history is not will we evolve from statism, but rather how can we stop the ambitions of evil men?
LoverOfTruth2010 1 year ago