KURILLOS AND METHODIOS LIVED MANY HUNDERD YEARS AFTER ALEXANDER!SO HOW THIS NEW SLAVIC LANGUACHE HAS CONNECTION TO GREEK MACEDONIANS WHO LIVED ALMOST 800 YEARS BEFORE YOU?WTF?YOU CANT COUNT?SO FUCKING UNKNOWLEDGED?
ok... you are "macedonians''.. tell me something pleaz cause im fool... after the civil war (sparta vs athens) the macedonian emperor Filip he prepared to attack in persian empire... but his death come quickly so the son of Filip Alexander attack and he stop in India... After his victory hi call the empire Macedonian... after 600 years in 300 A.C. the India it was byzantium state (it was greek). But the Fyrom its just only 65 years old... WTF ITS GOING HERE ''MECEDONIANS'' TELL US YOUR HISTORY..
SKOPJE -- A six-year long DNA research by Dr Zlatko Jakovski.
“The analysis of the data has showed that residents of FYROM have the most similar DNA with Bulgarians and Serbs, Croats with Bosnian and Serbian population while Kosovo Albanians have the fewest similarities with the others,” says Forensics Medicine Institute’s Dr Zlatko Jakovski CON : Residents of FYROM are Slavs and there isn’t any DNA connection with Filippos skeleton and Alexander’s real Macedonians (1000 years before Slavs)
Philip returned to Macedonia and begun preparations for a complete expulsion of the remaining Greek colonies on Macedonian land. In 348 BC, the Macedonian army attacked the Chalcidice peninsula and defeated the city-state of Olynthus. Like Methone, Olynthus and the other 31 Greek cities in Chalcidice were utterly demolished and razed to the ground, their Greek citizens sold as slaves, and their land distributed to the Macedonians.
Among these Greek cities was Stageira, the birthplace of the Greek philosopher Aristotle. The whole of Chalcidice peninsula was annexed to Macedonia, marking an end of Greek settlements on Macedonian soil.
ok!! your name is fyromians or peones.Ancient peones you was when we was as we are now Macedonians,so peones,... in greek "peos" is the Dick.. and i think..that for you state-village the right name is peonia or peograd or peos direkt.!have a nice dreaming Peomians.
is NOT A DIFRENT I'TS THE SAME landguage a litle bit difrent it's a same you can watch the people who spoke the macedonian landguage from agean macedonia and it's the same landguage only the words are a litle difrent but that in a time can change like the macedonian who change a litle bit today macedonians are the real antic not the stypet greeks
@MrKristijan97 Seriously when you know nothing...you better not speak.The macedonian language is the greek language...You language is slavic.Ancient macedonians didnt speak the slavic language but the greek one and that is confirmed by the thousand scripts we have found all over macedonia...Your nation came in the 6th century AD...Thats almost 800 years after alexander the great.You have been brainwashed...Your english need some work
no thats false..there was a roman language like the byztantian language and not just macedonia or greece spoke this language the whole balkan had languages like thatand after the roman empire slavs came into the balkan and macedonia,bulgaria,serbia,bosnia,croatia and the slovens spoke slavic languages and the greeks reformed the byztantian language
@mk1krv1 HAHAHAHA do you know what you are saying???Do you know why the byzantine empire is also called greco-roman empire....Because during this period they spoke the greek language...There is no byzantine language...Its the greek one...Hahaha Like you said the whole balkans spoke the greek language....And the byzantines too which used to be a greek city before it becomes constantinople it was called byzantiun....and it was built by greeks
say what you want and think what you want, but greece thats a country with a population from the saharian mediterarium( ethiopia) thats why you are so dark maybe anyway your country will be bust until 2013 you have rows and rows and ROWS so stop saying this big shit XD
@mk1krv1 Haha you know change subject...The truth really hurts...Look this is another propaganda from your nation...No other country teaches history and says that greeks are ethiopians...haha and we are not dark skin...You probably dont know well greeks...We are like italians...It has to do with our surrounding enveironment...(sun)...And its something you cant proove...Dont you tell me from the vases that show people black...This was the architect of these ages...
@mk1krv1 Your nations history is probably talking about the people who came in crete (minoans) and in the kyklades islands...Well they were indeed darkskin (but not from ethiopia) but they werent greeks...And they arrived 4000 BC...the first greek civilization was the mecynae one and they werent black...
@mk1krv1 haha men play some assassins creed revelations to understand...The byzantines speak the greek lang...LOL...And as you say....slavs came after the roman empire...with this statement u accept the fact of beeing slavs coming during 6AD...So you got nothing to do with anc. macedonians or alexander the great...Its nice of you admitting that....Hahaha seriously better not comment with justifications that dont even exis..You screw up the whole operation of your country PROPAGANDA FAIL
@asfaehey watch?v=2AdgCe0cf9g&feature=related Just see this video that says Alexander the Great of Macedon was Macedonian by nationality, see tha Macedonian flag CAN ONE OF THE BEST BRITISH TV TO BE WRONG I DON'T THINK SO. greeks Are wasting time all should be solved. MUST SEE THE VIDEO AND NOTICE THE FLAG.
@MrKristijan97 your languache is bulgarian.this languache didnt exist that time,its obvious....YOU SPEAK BULGARIAN.how cant you understand that?its bulgarian man with little differnces but its bulgarian,even a kid can realize that!
@socrates6068 Stubbornness is a way of a child, not a behaviour of a grown man. I appreciate your position defending Greek history. It's a patriotic act. Personally, I don't mind you this. We can debate endlessly about the origins of Ancient Macedonians, their language or whatsoever. But, please, don't make great mistakes claiming Macedonian language as Bulgarian. They are "mutually intelligible", but not the same, neither any of them is a dialect.
@socrates6068 I'm not trying to convince you, I don't even ask of you to say "macedonian" language. It is a clear fact that this Slavic language exist today. Across the world Macedonian language is noted as a SouthSlavic language. Why don't you try to convice Croats they speak Serbian, instead of Croatian? You simply can't, even though those languages are slight different. If you listen Serbs or Croats while speaking, you may simply consider they speak one and THE SAME language.
@Nachkovski ok ok well,,,,give a proof slavic languache is macedonian....with these rediculous statements you cannot even convince my dog my friend,your languache is slavobulgarian even my cousin understand it...the example with croatians is fault because macedonians conquered world 800 years before you came here...the fact that your languache is same as bulgarian that makes you bulgarian..its so simple!!!your whole nation speaks bulgarian..so we can suppose then that bulgarians are macedonians
@socrates6068 Are we missing something? The comparison between Serbian and Croation is an exemple. Even if you wipe out the word "macedonian", call it by whatever name you want, that language is not Bulgarian. Ancient Macedonians are out of topic here, friend!
Since you are a non-Slavic speaker, it is ungrateful to promote false theories, politically inferred, but not researched.
@socrates6068 We communicate with Bulgarians not with ease as you think so. There's a difference in grammar structure, syntax, morphology and word order. It is easier for Serbs and Croats to understand each other, than Macedonians and Bulgarians! I'm not trying to fool you. That's not my way. Open the comments' page No. 7, than 6, where I discussed about this with the other commentator.
@Nachkovski ahahahhhahhhahahahaa you are all crazy......ahahahahahhaaha give me a single proof of existance of this languache 2000 years ago!dont write theories....show me a script,,,i can show you 6 000,,,i only ask from you 1!!!!!come on......
@Nachkovski why anyone of you cant answer these questions?and the only thing you say is that these are lies?(omg there are not lies...search it go to every museum in world i dare you make a research onyour own if you have the balls....fyromian)
@socrates6068 At face value, you cannot evaluate differences between related languages. Are Chinese and Japanese one and the same language? Surely, not.
I can conclude your "claims" are politically inferred rather than scientifically. Inclination to chauvinism blurs the image of reality and it's impeding objective thought.
Following your theory of Greek origin of Ancient Macedonians, it would look like as if modern Macedonians became a mixture of Greeks and Slavs. Greeks use the term "Slavophone Greeks" to confirm that there's a Greek populace in the Northern Greece speaking and writing Slavic. How come Greeks speak Slavic language?
there are no slavophone greeks,,only if they live in your country and learn your languache,,,thats the only reason they may speak slavic...for example if someone lives in uk but his parents are greek then he is greek too nomatter if he knows how to speak greek.its not a theory its the same thing like sparta.they are called spartans because they live there but of course they are greeks...here all greeks are sectionalist,,they mention very much the place of their country that they came from...
@Nachkovski its very difficult to understand this because its a part of our culture so there are many who are confused with that thing.they usually ask "how can they be greeks when they say we are macedonians?"...its simple,,,when i meet someone i dont know and he asks me where am i from i will say i m athenian or thessalian instead of saying greek.its the same thing...thatts why macedonians considered as greeks except from the other facts you already know.
@Nachkovski "How come Ancient Macedonians speak a language differing from the language modern Macedonian speak?"
its simple too,,,,modern macedonians are just not macedonians....they are bulgarians!thats the point.and i remind you again that 6 000 script have only greek languache,its impossible not to have survive at least one script with macedonian languache,its just impossible if it were trye...the fgact is thatmost of you deny to think that option so you get more and more confused!
Even Bulgarians don't speak the language of their ancestors, Bulgars, so they proudly declare themselves as Bulgarians. Ancient Macedonian was lost and forgotten, maybe some words are still co-existing in modern languages that linguists are trying to detect. Macedonians, who survived in the Middle Ages, but were merged into "Romaioi" and were speaking "Greek", the official language of the Empire, later became a part of Macedonian Slavs, learning and speaking Slavic.
Ancient Macedonians have not disappeared throughout centuries. Under the Roman rule, Macedonians were romanized, assimilated socially and culturally, but they didn't vanished from the map of the world. Several centuries later, when Slavic tribes entered the Balkan region, they encountered the natives in these areas. Fusing with the natives formed the branch of Macedonian Slavs.
The word bara=seeks if i am right is both in bulgarian and fyromian as i am concerned Fyrom dise=breath bulgarian disam F:chitira=mention B:chitiram F:dvor=yard B:dvor F nedostoen :incapable B:nedostoen F:Obraten=oppossite B:obraten F:posnava=meet B:posnavam F:Jadene=meal B:jadene F:zapoved=order B:zapoved There are even more but they were too much and i couldnt copy them... It seems that your lang is very close to bulgarian
@asfaehey Bulgarians don't have a verb "baram" - I seek, instead they say "tarsya", Sebians say "trazhim". "Baram" is only in Macedonian, no other Slavic language use such verb to express that action. Mk. "Disham" - I breathe, Bg. "Disha", Sr. "Dishem". Word "citiram" - I cite is out of discussion since it's foreign, from lat. cito, citare, citatum. "Dvor" is the same word in Macedonian, Serbian, Bulgarian, Montenegrin etc. Word "jadene" is "hranene" in Bulgarian.
@Nachkovski where i want to conclude is that they have some words incommon...They are in the same family...I mean greek-language has nothing to do with the slav alphabet
@asfaehey Yes, the languages are in the same family group, southslavic branch of Slavonic languages. As you can notice, the letters are similar with Greek ones, but not all of them. Cyrillic alphabet is based upon Greek writing system. It had its ecclesiastical and political reasons for contriving new writing: educating and christianizing Slavic peoples across Balkans and beyond.
@asfaehey There is a dispute about the ethnicity over St. Cyril and Methodius.
Note: St. Cyril is not the inventor of cyrillic alphabet. He invented glagolithic alphabet, whose script fell out of use after St. Clement composed cyrillic alphabet in honor of his teacher.
@asfaehey Yes, slavic languages have plenty of words in common. Because Greek language is not shared by any other nation, it is difficult for you to understand it. I'm not insulting you, I'm just trying to help you understand the difference among the languages belonging to the same family group, even though, viewing from different perspective, it may seem similar or the same.
why are you trying to make me adopt your problem?do greeks look like having identity problems?...with these comments its very reasonable to become angry...of course i have clear history and its first time that a nation tries to adopt my history...you know this is very agressive from your side,because people like you who are
Maybe buy alexander the great comes 2500 years later...Who knows what history changes we had this period of time...Mycenaens was also at greece in this time of period...I have also read historical resources prooven by oxford univercity and claim that macedonians were a greek tribe...what do you have to say about all these macedonian coins with greek lettering like ΒΑΣΙΛΕΥ ΦΙΛΛΙΠΟΥ or ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ?? And who are the modern macedonians according to you???
Maybe buy alexander the great comes 2500 years later...Who knows what history changes we had this period of time...Mycenaens was also at greece in this time of period...I have also read historical resources prooven by oxford univercity and claim that macedonians were a greek tribe...what do you have to say about all these macedonian coins with greek lettering like ΒΑΣΙΛΕΥ ΦΙΛΛΙΠΟΥ or ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ?? And who are the modern macedonians according to you???
Maybe buy alexander the great comes 2500 years later...Who knows what history changes we had this period of time...Mycenaens was also at greece in this time of period...I have also read historical resources prooven by oxford univercity and claim that macedonians were a greek tribe...what do you have to say about all these macedonian coins with greek lettering like ΒΑΣΙΛΕΥ ΦΙΛΛΙΠΟΥ or ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ?? And who are the modern macedonians according to you???
The documentary doesn't have right. The Macedonians were a GREEK tribe. Even Alexander the Great was speaking the greek languange and had Aristotle to teach him and he also admired Achilles, who was a hero of the Greek mythology. Even the tomb of phillip II is in Vergina. Phillip II comes also from the greek languange which means friend of the horse.
The documentary doesn't have right. The Macedonians were a GREEK tribe. Even Alexander the Great was speaking the greek languange and had Aristotle to teach him and he also admired Achilles, who was a hero of the Greek mythology. Even the tomb of phillip II is in Vergina. Phillip II comes also from the greek languange which means friend of the horse.
The documentary doesn't have right. The Macedonians were a GREEK tribe. Even Alexander the Great was speaking the greek languange and had Aristotle to teach him and he also admired Achilles, who was a hero of the Greek mythology. Even the tomb of phillip II is in Vergina. Phillip II comes also from the greek languange which means friend of the horse.
@Nachkovski Mycenaens also existed in this time of period in peloponnisus and they were considered a greek tribe...Maybe you are right about edessa but alexander the great was born 2500 years later so probably the tribes might have changed...Macednon=μακεδνος in the dorian dialect means very tall due to omirus...And if you believe that macedonians werent greeks who are the modern macedonians???Someone have to be...But the point is that Fyrom has nothing incommon with anc macedonians
If you prosper in this war, forget not to do something for my freedom; consider the risk I have run, out of zeal for the Hellenic cause, to acquaint you with what Mardonius intends, and to save you from being surprised by the barbarians.
I am Alexander of Macedon."
(Herodotus, The Histories, 9.45) hmmm...herodotus is considered one of the best historian of the ancient times
@asfaehey He was also making mistakes. He's the father of history writing, but he's interpretation of historical events are taken with reserve by most modern historians and researchers.
@Nachkovski Yes but these i wrote before isnt a historical event...It is something that alexander told and it herodotus couldnt write it from his mind...Anyway...as long as i can see your nation tries to proove that macedonia is not greek and not that macedonia is fyrom...Lets hypothetically say that macedonians werent greeks...They could have been albanians or bulgarians or turks...What makes u think that are slavs?
@asfaehey You are being misled, my friend. I didn't say Ancient Macedonians were Slavs. Where have I pointed that out? My opinion, according to historical sources, is that they were not a Greek tribe. They ancestors were Bryges (Gr. Βρύγοι), who settled that region (Macedonia and Thrace) long ago in the prehistory and prompted Greek tribes' movement.
@Nachkovski why are you trying to make me adopt your problem?do greeks look like having identity problems?...with these comments its very reasonable to become angry...of course i have clear history and its first time that a nation tries to adopt my history...you know this is very agressive from your side,because people like you who are
"Edessa, the most ancient city of first Macedonians, the legendary and historical capital of Argeades royal dynasty, known in the era of Macedonian kings as Aegae, was built by Bryges a prehistoric pepople existing in the middle of 3th millenium BC, long ago before Greek tribes emerged in Europe"
Alice Stougianakis, Greek archaologist worked in 60's Edessa's excavations. Abstract from her article in Edessan Chronicles Magazine from May 1972
@Nachkovski Mycenaens also existed in this time of period in peloponnisus and they were considered a greek tribe...Maybe you are right about edessa but alexander the great was born 2500 years later so probably the tribes might have changed...Macednon=μακεδνος in the dorian dialect means very tall due to omirus...And if you believe that macedonians werent greeks who are the modern macedonians???Someone have to be...But the point is that Fyrom has nothing incommon with anc. macedonians
@Nachkovski Mycenaens also existed in this time of period in peloponnisus and they were considered a greek tribe...Maybe you are right about edessa but alexander the great was born 2500 years later so probably the tribes might have changed...Macednon=μακεδνος in the dorian dialect means very tall due to omirus...And if you believe that macedonians werent greeks who are the modern macedonians???Someone have to be...But the point is that Fyrom has nothing incommon with anc. macedonians
@Nachkovski Mycenaens also existed in this time of period in peloponnisus and they were considered a greek tribe...Maybe you are right about edessa but alexander the great was born 2500 years later so probably the tribes might have changed...Macednon=μακεδνος in the dorian dialect means very tall due to omirus...And if you believe that macedonians werent greeks who are the modern macedonians???Someone have to be...But the point is that Fyrom has nothing incommon with anc macedonians
@Nachkovski Mycenaens also existed in this time of period in peloponnisus and they were considered a greek tribe...Maybe you are right about edessa but alexander the great was born 2500 years later so probably the tribes might have changed...Macednon=μακεδνος in the dorian dialect means very tall due to omirus...And if you believe that macedonians werent greeks who are the modern macedonians???Someone have to be...But the point is that Fyrom has nothing incommon with anc macedonians
@Nachkovski why are you trying to make me adopt your problem?do greeks look like having identity problems?...with these comments its very reasonable to become angry...of course i have clear history and its first time that a nation tries to adopt my history...you know this is very agressive from your side,because people like you who are
The speech of Alexander I, when he was admitted to the Olympic games "Men of Athens...
Had I not greatly at heart the common welfare of Hellas I should not have come to tell you; but I am myself Hellene by descent, and I would not willingly see Hellas exchange freedom for slavery....
Thousand videos on YouTube have been uploaded supporting Greek interpration of Macedonian history, but rarely whose arguments can at least withstand academic scrutiny.
Please, don't spread hatred toward any nation if you don't accept one's point of view. Use the language of science, not the language of politics and xenophobia.
@Nachkovski are you mad?its you who talk about macedonian languache without having any clue....you speak bulgarian so watch what you write because you are probably bulgarian.....!!!and this is fact not poliitics
In the ancient Greek texts we also find the Greeks referring to one Egyptian God as Egyptian Athena. Of course, the real name of this Egyptian god can not be Athena (just like the name of the Macedonian god above was not Ares), since the Egyptians didn't worship Greek gods The ancient Greek writers here use Interpretatio Graeca in order to better relate to their audience the magnitude of the Macedonian and Egyptian gods, both foreign to them.
@Nachkovski Star of vergina...hellenic symbol representing the 12 greek gods and 4 elements...why phillip had the star in his grave if he wouldnt worshippe greek gods
Macedonians had their own Gods and religion, separate from the Greeks. Macedonian Ares is a Macedonian god, which the ancient Greeks here compare to their own Ares. The fact that they call it "Macedonian Ares" clearly states that it is not the Greek God Ares, but a Macedonian god equivalent to the Greek Ares, whose name they had substituted with Ares. This phenomena when the ancient Greeks substitute the names of the foreign gods with names of their own gods, is called Interpretatio Graeca.
@silvaisilva Of course it is the same dude...But slavs cant accept their unexisted history and say that they are the real macedonians...but they cant proove it...alexander the great spoke the greek language worshipped greek gods and had greek name...Slavs know this but they cant accept it...They say macedonians were never greeks...But it is prooven by many univercities (oxforf etc) that macedonians were a greek tribe...
@asfaehey Alexander is too us, me and my buddies that study and debate military in "Forum Defesa" like a god, bigger then Julio Caesar, Hannibal Barca, and many others (he is, to me something like Viriato, Lusitan leader killed whit treason by the roman paid assassins once is friends)
@asfaehey Alexander didn't speak Ancient Greek or "koine" in those times. He knew the language, but it wasn't his mother tongue. Ancient macedonian was a distinct language and it wasn't any "unidentified" doric dialect or idiom. Read history lessons first, then post comments!
@Nachkovski Hahahaha it was a doric dialect...all the history books proove that...even the name macedonian comes from greek macednon μακεδνος meaning very tall in doric dialect and in the ionian...Dont tell me to read history...What i say is prooven
@asfaehey Greek names are not an indication of one's ethic origin. Olympias, Alexander's mother and Philip's wife had hellenic name, but she wasn't Greek (Hellen).
@Nachkovski If u really knew history u would know that olympia wasnt from macedon but from the mollosians (greek tribe modern epirus) cant deny that...And why didnt then had slav names like...Alexandar or Phillipvski or Olympianski...
@silvaisilva If you want to know the truth, you should try reading history books of different authors. Greece or Hellas and Macedonia were distinct territories and were never considered one and the same. Macedonia is multiethnic society today. Using the word "Slav" for its inhabitants is false and biased.
@Nachkovski Just a question for silvaisilva...where are u from and what do u and your fellows get tought in history about macedonia...That it is a greek tribe or a slav?
@Nachkovski slavs? yes i´ve herd of them, it seems that the word slav come from there, nice civilization to be honest, don´t commit the same mistakes that the greeks and whe portuguese did of joinig EU
The Paiones were a greek speaking tribe as well..you should understand that at that time there were MANY dialects of the greek language..every tribe spoke differently..it was a way of keeping their identity and independence. There was no greek nation back then...just as there was no Slavic nation back then..but many Slavic speaking tribes..living in east Europe.
Fyroans are so fake...no idea of History whatsoever..none at all. Just propaganda. They are Bulgarian speaking Slavs...they have nothing to do with the ancient greek speaking Makedones tribe...besides that, the land now inhabited by the Fyroans was at that time the land of the Paiones tribe...conquered by Philippos the Macedonian (together with the greater part of the Balcan peninsula) whose homeland was Pella (Greece)..before Philippos the northern lands were NOT part of Macedon...
Alexander The Great Of Macedonia have blond hair, blue eyes like all Macedons, Wels, Kelts, Vends, Venets, Slovenes, Winds, Venicians, Trojans, Thracians, Miridonians, Paflagonians... All natives in Europe from prehistoric times. Their native religion is: Sun(Kresnik), Spirit(Zvisheni) and Earth(Shiva). From antic times to nowadays all they were invaded by nomadic tribes (Roms, Semits, Hamits, Anglokosaks and Turkomongols). Hello to Triglav, Treglav, Trimus, Tristan, Troja.
@asfaehey You said nothing with this "vardarska". If you don't understand macedonian language, don't use such words just to declare hatred toward Macedonians rather than say something smart and supportive. Besides, "vardarska" is adjective, you should have added "Makedonija" to explain your notion - Vardarska Makedonija, one part of the whole territory. For English speakers, Vardar Macedonia, where Vardar river flows.
Look asshole.there are written texts writing hellenes all in ancient greek not bulgarian.and I am wondering if you are macedonians how can it be possible from such a big kingdom there was left NONE script of your bulgarian lang. But we find greeks and in macedonia territory and since you claim that macedonians werent greeks
1.Philip the second ( the father of Alexander the great ) is the conqueror of Greece - So Greece is Macedonia --> Lie !
2. 1913 - The Partition of Macedonia by Greece and Bulgaria
3. 1948 - Exodus over 300.000 Macedonians from the Aegean Macedonia - Victims of the Greek Civil war
4. 118 countries has recognized Macedonia
5. Why Greeks and there alies are scared Macedonia to get in nato and eu?because they are scared of this facts , because Macedonians will look for rivenge ,
lol fyrom ..... what a pathetic little " country" . you guys can have your little parades , wear your little " I hate greece " shirts , and live in your sad own delusion ...... at first it annoyed me that some completely unimportant country was stealing greek history , now I just find it sad and I feel really bad for you . Its a shame the most educated fyromian cannot read what is written on Phillip and Alexander's tomb , but a 5 year old greek can ;)
Alexander The Great Of Macedonia have blond hair, blue eyes like all Macedons, Wels, Kelts, Vends, Venets, Slovenes, Winds, Venicians, Trojans, Thracians, Miridonians, Paflagonians... All natives in Europe from prehistoric times. Their native religion is: Sun(Kresnik), Spirit(Zvisheni) and Earth(Shiva). From antic times to nowadays all they were invaded by nomadic tribes (Roms, Semits, Hamits, Anglokosaks and Turkomongols). Hello to Triglav, Treglav, Trimus, Tristan, Troja.
Where are the inscriptions of the Greek state as a unit of evidence from the time of Alexander the Great?? Wherever I look, I can NOT find the words: Ellada, hellas or Greek. How can Macedonia be Greek if it has not given the Greek state? Where are the antic coins with the Words:HELLAS,ELLADA or GREEK????There are no antic coins with that words, WHY????At the time of Alexander the Great the State Greek not exist ,that is fakt !!!!!! STOP steeling the MAKEDONIAN history
Macedonian Kingdom was a separate entity, devoid from Greek borders, even though they were not so clearly defined. Ancient authors mention Macedonians, Greeks, Romans, Thracians, as differentiated groups of people. While researching ancient history, we must take care of what the sources say and how they imply to these ancient ethnicities. There is no term "Macedonian Greeks", just Macedonian or Greek.
@Nachkovski "There is no term "Macedonian Greeks", just Macedonian or Greek"...how old are you?5?wtf?of course there is like spartan greeks,thessalian greeks,thracian greeks,athenian greeks, so macedonian greeks,these are all greek tribes.learn for once greek history properlly slav.learn also that you came here 6 centuries after alexander rules.come on deal with your blood brothers bulgarians!you know you are bulgarian and even if you dont thats ok,you will get used to it,you cant be macedonian
@socrates6068 How furious have you become? If you are completely clear with your national history, why are you so angry? That is a diagnosis of crisis identity or uncertainty.
@Nachkovski why are you trying to make me adopt your problem?do greeks look like having identity problems?...with these comments its very reasonable to become angry...of course i have clear history and its first time that a nation tries to adopt my history...you know this is very agressive from your side,because people like you who are totally bulgarians and you know that deep inside your head...you keep insult us and the most annoying is that you adopt greek history without knowing anything
@Nachkovski why are you trying to make me adopt your problem?do greeks look like having identity problems?...with these comments its very reasonable to become angry...of course i have clear history and its first time that a nation tries to adopt my history...you know this is very agressive from your side,because people like you who are certainly bulgarians and you know it deep inside,consider our history as yours,and then you parafraze everything is writen as a proof....
@Nachkovski why are you trying to make me adopt your problem?do greeks look like having identity problems?...with these comments its very reasonable to become angry...of course i have clear history and its first time that a nation tries to adopt my history...you know this is very agressive from your side,because people like you who are certainly bulgarians and you know it deep inside,consider our history as yours,and then you parafraze everything is writen as a proof....
@Nachkovski why are you trying to make me adopt your problem?do greeks look like having identity problems?...with these comments its very reasonable to become angry...of course i have clear history and its first time that a nation tries to adopt my history...you know this is very agressive from your side,because people like you who are certainly bulgarians and you know it deep inside,consider our history as yours,and then you parafraze everything is writen as a proof....
@Nachkovski why are you trying to make me adopt your problem?do greeks look like having identity problems?...with these comments its very reasonable to become angry...of course i have clear history and its first time that a nation tries to adopt my history...you know this is very agressive from your side,because people like you who are certainly bulgarians and you know it deep inside,consider our history as yours,and then you parafraze everything is writen as a proof....
@Nachkovski why are you trying to make me adopt your problem?do greeks look like having identity problems?...with these comments its very reasonable to become angry...of course i have clear history and its first time that a nation tries to adopt my history...you know this is very agressive from your side,because people like you who are certainly bulgarians and you know it deep inside,consider our history as yours,and then you parafraze everything is writen as a proof....
@Nachkovski you all speak bulgarian but you state a macedonian languache,your country name was vardrska and you were happy and proud bulgarians and now you claim other identity,all philosophers,historians of that time state clearly alexander s greekness but the worst comment i have ever read is "fuck them,its a lie they never wrote that",you claim macedonian languache at a time that over 6 000 scripts include only greek languache no macedonian,we say to you that there were greek city states
@socrates6068 We don't speak Bulgarian and there is no reason to think so, especially if you don't speak any southslavic language to notice the difference in grammar structure, word formation and accent etc. What looks similar, doesn't mean it's the same. If you are about to defend your heritage, I don't reprimand it, but if you try to make claims about issues you have no scholarly training with, then I'll have my right to defend it.
@Nachkovski And if we arent the descedants of ancient macedonians then who is???You said it yourself that slavs have nothing to do with them...Fyrom-bulgary came in the 6th century AD...
@socrates6068 It is as if you don't make difference between Serbian and Croatian language, even though they existed as separate languages. You lack knowledge in this field, concerning Slavic languages. Open Wikipedia to inform yourself or even other encyclopedias, written or electronic.
@socrates6068 It's just a cyrillic alphabet in two languages. Letter Ѕ is not found in Bulgarian. It was common amongs Slavic communities in the Middle Ages that belonged to Slavic tribes fusing with Ancient Macedonians around the city of Solun. Bulgarians are not purely of Slavic descent. Don't forget that the name Bulgaria derives from the conquering tribe forming in the distant Asia.
@asfaehey Not just Macedonians, but also other nations like Serbians, Bulgarian, Croats etc. use the name Solun for Thessaloniki (Θεσσαλονίκη). Why do find it derogatory? Is it "Istanbul" derogatory for you and me, instead of saying "Constantinople", having in mind that it was the Capital of the Byzantine Empire?
@Nachkovski Well i have no problem with it but some of your fellows annoyed me when they posted a video on youtube saying that the name thessaloniki never existed and that the real one has always been Solun...I gave them an pretty simple script for example saying ΘΕΣΣΑΛΟΝΙΚΗ ΦΙΛΛΙΠΟΥ ΒΑΣΣΙΛΗΣΑΝ=to queen thessaloniki of fillip ...but they didnt believe that this script is real...
You might be the first and last of your kind that i can open a conversation without arguing
@asfaehey Yes, it was a city founded by Macedonian king Kassander. Philip II of Macedon named it Thessalonika after achieving victory over Thessalians. The word have greek roots (Θεσσαλοί or Θετταλοί + νικάω = I win or νίκη = victory).
@Nachkovski I know the ancient greek language...And the script says θεσσαλονικη φιλιππου βασιλισσαν = to queen thessalonice (daughter) of fillip...I can see you are skilled with thr ancient greek language...
@asfaehey Friend, I think the inscription should be Θεσσαλονίκῃ Φιλίππου Βασίλισσᾳ if the translation is "to the queen Thessalonika of Philip". Βασίλισσα is a queen in Ancient Greek. The uncials you wrote should be corrected to ΘΕΣΣΑΛΟΝΙΚΗ ΦΙΛΙΠΠΟΥ ΒΑΣΙΛΙΣΣΑ. Check the script you have in the photo to see if I'm wrong.
@Nachkovski man dont try to fool me plz....i understood by your comments you have written in this video that you are a person with knowledje...dont tell me plz it s not the same because its fucking the same,,,its obvious slav alphabet,nothing to do with "macedonian"...so, maybe bulgarians are macedonians because you speak almost same languache...but alexander was speaking greek...only greek scripts had survive...dont you think its a little bit strange?bulgarian languavhe didnt exist that time
@socrates6068 We're not discussing about Bulgarian language here, friend. Take a quick look at Wikipedia (or any other encyclopedia) concerning Macedonian language. I know what's confusing you. How come Ancient Macedonians speak a language differing from the language modern Macedonian speak?
@Nachkovski "We Macedonian Bulgarians (Macedonians) like Bulgarian state as our own."
"Our Grandfathers call themselves Bulgarians. They never thing that we will be having such a problem to call ourselves so"
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The population of Skopje is pure Bulgarian. Bulgaria make a big error when recognize the territory for “neutral”. It is pure Bulgarian and the population in Skopje and surrounding area is pure Bulgarian."............................................
@Nachkovski fighting eachother like athens vs sparta but you keep saying macedonia conquered us,we give you then the proofs and writings and coins and scripts all of them admit alexander s greekness but you start insult like "idiot gayreeks etc"...thats why you slavs make us mad,because you dont know how to respect,not to be aggressive and be civilized...and sometime greece will may use force against you and then we will be criminals,,,i think that your madness must stop because you are the
@socrates6068 I don't justify insults between neighbours on national basis. I'm against it, really. Whenever you use the term "Slavs" I fell as if someone is showing hatred toward me and the others living here. Bear in mind that it may be a derogatory term to other Slavic peoples like Serbians, Croats, Montenegrins, Bulgarians.
@Nachkovski i could give you as well over 150 quotes wright now but i think its a little bit useless because you will not accept it and its logical,,,at least you dont insult us for now.
"... that OTHER Greeks consider inferior." So, the narrator confirms the idea that Macedonians were of Greek stock, because he doesn't use the term - neighbors, enemies, or something else. He uses "OTHER Greeks". HA!
Someone called me the other day to translate for a man just coming from Europe. I am a proud Bulgarian and was translating every word by word. I was not having a difficult time by understanding the other person so I thought wow! another lone Bulgarian like me. In the end the man asks me "where did you learn to speak MACEDONIAN so perfectly?" I was surprised and answered " Why, I am speaking Bulgarian...." In the end the man stormed off because I supposedly insulted him.
@TheMsMkd Whole Greece was never whole... from ancient times all the Greek cities/tribes were in was to dominate to each other. All greek tribes like Macedoninas Athenians and Spartans knew they were Greek but they fought for Domination to each other! And all of you from Fyrom Pretend that Alexander wasnt a Greek ... then answer me what is the meaning of the name Alexander (Αλεξανδρος in Greek)? If you cant then silence and learn to accept the truth even if it hurts!!!!!!!!
@Oroposgr Names are not implying one's ethnicity. Macedonians were influenced by their southern neighbours Greek, since Greece has become one of culturally most developed region in the ancient past beside Egypt, Babylon etc. from the Orient. It is expected that similarities should occur in the field of political, economical, cultural or social rise of Ancient Macedonians. Macedonians have never been brothers to the Ancient Greeks. They were the enemies that conquered them.
@Nachkovski you are wrong Macedonians were considered uncouth and second class Greeks like many other underdeveloped Greek kingdoms but not non Greeks that's why they were allowed to join events which were only for Greeks. And u are inaccurate in what u sayPhilip didn't beat the Greeks as you say. He beat the Athenians & the Thebans and while he did that he had other Greeks on his side like the Foceans the Lokreans&others. I'd suggest you to learn Greek history seems like u need it
@Nachkovsk According to geneticists such as Luca Cavalli-Sforza the ancient Greek genetic legacy is strongly detectable in the modern Greeks of today. In fact Greeks are genetically the same people as Southern Italians who are themselves descendants of ancient Greeks. Also it has been shown that the Slavic population of the 'Former Yugoslav Republic of macedonia' [FYROM], who have wrongly re-named themselves 'macedonian', are in fact genetically the same people as Serbs.
FINAL QUESTION FOR ALL "Macedonians" from FYROM THAT THINK ALEXANDER WASNT A GREEK... what does ALEXANDER (in greek Αλεξανδρος) mean? Answer that then talk to me again about history!
You are using words without even knowing the meaning of them. Give an explanation of the word "macedonia".. where does this name come from? Explain what alexander mean? And tell me why both of these
''terms" happens to be greek words. They mean sth, they tell sth in greek language!(ofcourse such as many other names.)
@xristos722 In Macedonia many people wear names of Greek origin: Dimitri (Demeter), Teofan (Theophanes), Leonid (Leonidas), Aleksandar (Alexandros) and so on. Does it mean they are Greeks?
Names does not imply one's ethnicity. Olympias, Alexander's mother, was of barbarian heritage, from Epirus, where Illyrians have that area populated. Her name is of Greek origin, isn't it?
Then, please don't be shallow. Greek names are not a STRONG argument for your claims. It has flaws.
"He rules a population that other Greeks consider inferior"-Ha take that Greeks lol.
Teranex 12 hours ago
Macedonia belong to Bulgaria, everybody know that!
DeeeepInside 20 hours ago
KURILLOS AND METHODIOS LIVED MANY HUNDERD YEARS AFTER ALEXANDER!SO HOW THIS NEW SLAVIC LANGUACHE HAS CONNECTION TO GREEK MACEDONIANS WHO LIVED ALMOST 800 YEARS BEFORE YOU?WTF?YOU CANT COUNT?SO FUCKING UNKNOWLEDGED?
socrates6068 1 day ago
FYROM PRESIDENT KIRO GLIGOROV: WE ARE SLAVS THERE IS NO CONNECTION BETWEEN US AND ALEXANDER THE GREAT.
karpathos1001 1 day ago
Hahahahahah IDENEA say that we are the ancient macedonian's not you !
MrKristijan97 2 days ago
ok... you are "macedonians''.. tell me something pleaz cause im fool... after the civil war (sparta vs athens) the macedonian emperor Filip he prepared to attack in persian empire... but his death come quickly so the son of Filip Alexander attack and he stop in India... After his victory hi call the empire Macedonian... after 600 years in 300 A.C. the India it was byzantium state (it was greek). But the Fyrom its just only 65 years old... WTF ITS GOING HERE ''MECEDONIANS'' TELL US YOUR HISTORY..
NationGreece 2 days ago
@NationGreece After his vicory he*
NationGreece 2 days ago
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SKOPJE -- A six-year long DNA research by Dr Zlatko Jakovski.
“The analysis of the data has showed that residents of FYROM have the most similar DNA with Bulgarians and Serbs, Croats with Bosnian and Serbian population while Kosovo Albanians have the fewest similarities with the others,” says Forensics Medicine Institute’s Dr Zlatko Jakovski CON : Residents of FYROM are Slavs and there isn’t any DNA connection with Filippos skeleton and Alexander’s real Macedonians (1000 years before Slavs)
erickusa88 2 days ago
plase stop speak abused Hellinic jargon go back to your tree because you came from monkeys and we came from stars
klimiskastoria 4 days ago
Philip returned to Macedonia and begun preparations for a complete expulsion of the remaining Greek colonies on Macedonian land. In 348 BC, the Macedonian army attacked the Chalcidice peninsula and defeated the city-state of Olynthus. Like Methone, Olynthus and the other 31 Greek cities in Chalcidice were utterly demolished and razed to the ground, their Greek citizens sold as slaves, and their land distributed to the Macedonians.
dfactman1 5 days ago
Among these Greek cities was Stageira, the birthplace of the Greek philosopher Aristotle. The whole of Chalcidice peninsula was annexed to Macedonia, marking an end of Greek settlements on Macedonian soil.
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ok!! your name is fyromians or peones.Ancient peones you was when we was as we are now Macedonians,so peones,... in greek "peos" is the Dick.. and i think..that for you state-village the right name is peonia or peograd or peos direkt.!have a nice dreaming Peomians.
greekolosos 6 days ago
is NOT A DIFRENT I'TS THE SAME landguage a litle bit difrent it's a same you can watch the people who spoke the macedonian landguage from agean macedonia and it's the same landguage only the words are a litle difrent but that in a time can change like the macedonian who change a litle bit today macedonians are the real antic not the stypet greeks
MrKristijan97 1 week ago
@MrKristijan97 Seriously when you know nothing...you better not speak.The macedonian language is the greek language...You language is slavic.Ancient macedonians didnt speak the slavic language but the greek one and that is confirmed by the thousand scripts we have found all over macedonia...Your nation came in the 6th century AD...Thats almost 800 years after alexander the great.You have been brainwashed...Your english need some work
asfaehey 6 days ago 8
@asfaehey some work.His english needs every work possible
lodhol 6 days ago 3
no thats false..there was a roman language like the byztantian language and not just macedonia or greece spoke this language the whole balkan had languages like thatand after the roman empire slavs came into the balkan and macedonia,bulgaria,serbia,bosnia,croatia and the slovens spoke slavic languages and the greeks reformed the byztantian language
mk1krv1 3 days ago
@mk1krv1 HAHAHAHA do you know what you are saying???Do you know why the byzantine empire is also called greco-roman empire....Because during this period they spoke the greek language...There is no byzantine language...Its the greek one...Hahaha Like you said the whole balkans spoke the greek language....And the byzantines too which used to be a greek city before it becomes constantinople it was called byzantiun....and it was built by greeks
asfaehey 3 days ago
say what you want and think what you want, but greece thats a country with a population from the saharian mediterarium( ethiopia) thats why you are so dark maybe anyway your country will be bust until 2013 you have rows and rows and ROWS so stop saying this big shit XD
mk1krv1 2 days ago
@mk1krv1 Haha you know change subject...The truth really hurts...Look this is another propaganda from your nation...No other country teaches history and says that greeks are ethiopians...haha and we are not dark skin...You probably dont know well greeks...We are like italians...It has to do with our surrounding enveironment...(sun)...And its something you cant proove...Dont you tell me from the vases that show people black...This was the architect of these ages...
asfaehey 2 days ago
@mk1krv1 Your nations history is probably talking about the people who came in crete (minoans) and in the kyklades islands...Well they were indeed darkskin (but not from ethiopia) but they werent greeks...And they arrived 4000 BC...the first greek civilization was the mecynae one and they werent black...
asfaehey 2 days ago
@mk1krv1 haha men play some assassins creed revelations to understand...The byzantines speak the greek lang...LOL...And as you say....slavs came after the roman empire...with this statement u accept the fact of beeing slavs coming during 6AD...So you got nothing to do with anc. macedonians or alexander the great...Its nice of you admitting that....Hahaha seriously better not comment with justifications that dont even exis..You screw up the whole operation of your country PROPAGANDA FAIL
asfaehey 3 days ago
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@asfaehey watch?v=2AdgCe0cf9g&feature=related Just see this video that says Alexander the Great of Macedon was Macedonian by nationality, see tha Macedonian flag CAN ONE OF THE BEST BRITISH TV TO BE WRONG I DON'T THINK SO. greeks Are wasting time all should be solved. MUST SEE THE VIDEO AND NOTICE THE FLAG.
JohnnyDegano 7 hours ago
@MrKristijan97 your languache is bulgarian.this languache didnt exist that time,its obvious....YOU SPEAK BULGARIAN.how cant you understand that?its bulgarian man with little differnces but its bulgarian,even a kid can realize that!
socrates6068 5 days ago
@socrates6068 Stubbornness is a way of a child, not a behaviour of a grown man. I appreciate your position defending Greek history. It's a patriotic act. Personally, I don't mind you this. We can debate endlessly about the origins of Ancient Macedonians, their language or whatsoever. But, please, don't make great mistakes claiming Macedonian language as Bulgarian. They are "mutually intelligible", but not the same, neither any of them is a dialect.
Nachkovski 2 days ago
@socrates6068 I'm not trying to convince you, I don't even ask of you to say "macedonian" language. It is a clear fact that this Slavic language exist today. Across the world Macedonian language is noted as a SouthSlavic language. Why don't you try to convice Croats they speak Serbian, instead of Croatian? You simply can't, even though those languages are slight different. If you listen Serbs or Croats while speaking, you may simply consider they speak one and THE SAME language.
Nachkovski 2 days ago
@Nachkovski ok ok well,,,,give a proof slavic languache is macedonian....with these rediculous statements you cannot even convince my dog my friend,your languache is slavobulgarian even my cousin understand it...the example with croatians is fault because macedonians conquered world 800 years before you came here...the fact that your languache is same as bulgarian that makes you bulgarian..its so simple!!!your whole nation speaks bulgarian..so we can suppose then that bulgarians are macedonians
socrates6068 2 days ago
@Nachkovski too...pfffff forget it you dont even know what you write!
socrates6068 2 days ago
@socrates6068 Are we missing something? The comparison between Serbian and Croation is an exemple. Even if you wipe out the word "macedonian", call it by whatever name you want, that language is not Bulgarian. Ancient Macedonians are out of topic here, friend!
Since you are a non-Slavic speaker, it is ungrateful to promote false theories, politically inferred, but not researched.
Nachkovski 2 days ago
@Nachkovski so why you communicate easily with bulgarians who speak bulgarian?
socrates6068 2 days ago
@socrates6068 We communicate with Bulgarians not with ease as you think so. There's a difference in grammar structure, syntax, morphology and word order. It is easier for Serbs and Croats to understand each other, than Macedonians and Bulgarians! I'm not trying to fool you. That's not my way. Open the comments' page No. 7, than 6, where I discussed about this with the other commentator.
Nachkovski 2 days ago
@Nachkovski ahahahhhahhhahahahaa you are all crazy......ahahahahahhaaha give me a single proof of existance of this languache 2000 years ago!dont write theories....show me a script,,,i can show you 6 000,,,i only ask from you 1!!!!!come on......
socrates6068 2 days ago
@Nachkovski are they macedonians too?or you want me to write down both alphabets....they are the same...who are you triing to fool?me or yourself?
socrates6068 2 days ago
@Nachkovski - why 6 000 macedonian scripts which been saved have only greek languache?
-why macedonians could take part in olympics?
-why alexander told he fight for glory of greeks?
-why alexander said himself he was by descent a greek?
-why every museum worldwide proove and admitt his greekness?
-why all ancient historians said macedonia is greek?did they had something against you and they did propaganda?(lol)
-why kiro gligorof said your population is bulgarian?was he crazy or he knew what
socrates6068 2 days ago
@Nachkovski told?
-how can any proof have found about macedonian languache from 2000 years ago knowing that slavic languache didnt exist(lol)?
-why alexander s name is greek if he was a proud macedonian non greek and fought against hellenes?
-why then did he have GREEK professor and worshiped greek gods?
-why dont you understand that every historic fact about macedonians include only greeks?
socrates6068 2 days ago
@Nachkovski why anyone of you cant answer these questions?and the only thing you say is that these are lies?(omg there are not lies...search it go to every museum in world i dare you make a research onyour own if you have the balls....fyromian)
socrates6068 2 days ago
@socrates6068 At face value, you cannot evaluate differences between related languages. Are Chinese and Japanese one and the same language? Surely, not.
I can conclude your "claims" are politically inferred rather than scientifically. Inclination to chauvinism blurs the image of reality and it's impeding objective thought.
Nachkovski 2 days ago
Following your theory of Greek origin of Ancient Macedonians, it would look like as if modern Macedonians became a mixture of Greeks and Slavs. Greeks use the term "Slavophone Greeks" to confirm that there's a Greek populace in the Northern Greece speaking and writing Slavic. How come Greeks speak Slavic language?
Nachkovski 1 week ago
there are no slavophone greeks,,only if they live in your country and learn your languache,,,thats the only reason they may speak slavic...for example if someone lives in uk but his parents are greek then he is greek too nomatter if he knows how to speak greek.its not a theory its the same thing like sparta.they are called spartans because they live there but of course they are greeks...here all greeks are sectionalist,,they mention very much the place of their country that they came from...
socrates6068 1 week ago
@Nachkovski its very difficult to understand this because its a part of our culture so there are many who are confused with that thing.they usually ask "how can they be greeks when they say we are macedonians?"...its simple,,,when i meet someone i dont know and he asks me where am i from i will say i m athenian or thessalian instead of saying greek.its the same thing...thatts why macedonians considered as greeks except from the other facts you already know.
socrates6068 1 week ago
@Nachkovski "How come Ancient Macedonians speak a language differing from the language modern Macedonian speak?"
its simple too,,,,modern macedonians are just not macedonians....they are bulgarians!thats the point.and i remind you again that 6 000 script have only greek languache,its impossible not to have survive at least one script with macedonian languache,its just impossible if it were trye...the fgact is thatmost of you deny to think that option so you get more and more confused!
socrates6068 1 week ago
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Even Bulgarians don't speak the language of their ancestors, Bulgars, so they proudly declare themselves as Bulgarians. Ancient Macedonian was lost and forgotten, maybe some words are still co-existing in modern languages that linguists are trying to detect. Macedonians, who survived in the Middle Ages, but were merged into "Romaioi" and were speaking "Greek", the official language of the Empire, later became a part of Macedonian Slavs, learning and speaking Slavic.
Nachkovski 1 week ago
Ancient Macedonians have not disappeared throughout centuries. Under the Roman rule, Macedonians were romanized, assimilated socially and culturally, but they didn't vanished from the map of the world. Several centuries later, when Slavic tribes entered the Balkan region, they encountered the natives in these areas. Fusing with the natives formed the branch of Macedonian Slavs.
Nachkovski 1 week ago
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asfaehey 1 week ago
@asfaehey Bulgarians don't have a verb "baram" - I seek, instead they say "tarsya", Sebians say "trazhim". "Baram" is only in Macedonian, no other Slavic language use such verb to express that action. Mk. "Disham" - I breathe, Bg. "Disha", Sr. "Dishem". Word "citiram" - I cite is out of discussion since it's foreign, from lat. cito, citare, citatum. "Dvor" is the same word in Macedonian, Serbian, Bulgarian, Montenegrin etc. Word "jadene" is "hranene" in Bulgarian.
Nachkovski 1 week ago
@Nachkovski where i want to conclude is that they have some words incommon...They are in the same family...I mean greek-language has nothing to do with the slav alphabet
Α Β Γ Δ Ε Ζ Η Θ Ι Κ Λ Μ Ν Ξ Ο Π Ρ Σ Τ Υ Φ Χ Ψ Ω
asfaehey 1 week ago
@asfaehey Yes, the languages are in the same family group, southslavic branch of Slavonic languages. As you can notice, the letters are similar with Greek ones, but not all of them. Cyrillic alphabet is based upon Greek writing system. It had its ecclesiastical and political reasons for contriving new writing: educating and christianizing Slavic peoples across Balkans and beyond.
Nachkovski 1 week ago
@Nachkovski It is based upon greek writing cause cyrrillus was a greek
asfaehey 1 week ago
@asfaehey There is a dispute about the ethnicity over St. Cyril and Methodius.
Note: St. Cyril is not the inventor of cyrillic alphabet. He invented glagolithic alphabet, whose script fell out of use after St. Clement composed cyrillic alphabet in honor of his teacher.
Nachkovski 1 week ago
@asfaehey Yes, slavic languages have plenty of words in common. Because Greek language is not shared by any other nation, it is difficult for you to understand it. I'm not insulting you, I'm just trying to help you understand the difference among the languages belonging to the same family group, even though, viewing from different perspective, it may seem similar or the same.
Nachkovski 1 week ago
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why are you trying to make me adopt your problem?do greeks look like having identity problems?...with these comments its very reasonable to become angry...of course i have clear history and its first time that a nation tries to adopt my history...you know this is very agressive from your side,because people like you who are
socrates6068 1 week ago
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Maybe buy alexander the great comes 2500 years later...Who knows what history changes we had this period of time...Mycenaens was also at greece in this time of period...I have also read historical resources prooven by oxford univercity and claim that macedonians were a greek tribe...what do you have to say about all these macedonian coins with greek lettering like ΒΑΣΙΛΕΥ ΦΙΛΛΙΠΟΥ or ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ?? And who are the modern macedonians according to you???
asfaehey 1 week ago
Maybe buy alexander the great comes 2500 years later...Who knows what history changes we had this period of time...Mycenaens was also at greece in this time of period...I have also read historical resources prooven by oxford univercity and claim that macedonians were a greek tribe...what do you have to say about all these macedonian coins with greek lettering like ΒΑΣΙΛΕΥ ΦΙΛΛΙΠΟΥ or ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ?? And who are the modern macedonians according to you???
asfaehey 1 week ago
Maybe buy alexander the great comes 2500 years later...Who knows what history changes we had this period of time...Mycenaens was also at greece in this time of period...I have also read historical resources prooven by oxford univercity and claim that macedonians were a greek tribe...what do you have to say about all these macedonian coins with greek lettering like ΒΑΣΙΛΕΥ ΦΙΛΛΙΠΟΥ or ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ?? And who are the modern macedonians according to you???
asfaehey 1 week ago
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The documentary doesn't have right. The Macedonians were a GREEK tribe. Even Alexander the Great was speaking the greek languange and had Aristotle to teach him and he also admired Achilles, who was a hero of the Greek mythology. Even the tomb of phillip II is in Vergina. Phillip II comes also from the greek languange which means friend of the horse.
tonyeklis 1 week ago
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The documentary doesn't have right. The Macedonians were a GREEK tribe. Even Alexander the Great was speaking the greek languange and had Aristotle to teach him and he also admired Achilles, who was a hero of the Greek mythology. Even the tomb of phillip II is in Vergina. Phillip II comes also from the greek languange which means friend of the horse.
tonyeklis 1 week ago
The documentary doesn't have right. The Macedonians were a GREEK tribe. Even Alexander the Great was speaking the greek languange and had Aristotle to teach him and he also admired Achilles, who was a hero of the Greek mythology. Even the tomb of phillip II is in Vergina. Phillip II comes also from the greek languange which means friend of the horse.
tonyeklis 1 week ago
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@Nachkovski Mycenaens also existed in this time of period in peloponnisus and they were considered a greek tribe...Maybe you are right about edessa but alexander the great was born 2500 years later so probably the tribes might have changed...Macednon=μακεδνος in the dorian dialect means very tall due to omirus...And if you believe that macedonians werent greeks who are the modern macedonians???Someone have to be...But the point is that Fyrom has nothing incommon with anc macedonians
asfaehey 1 week ago
there are no excuses...These quotes are real...written by the greatest greek historian and is another proof that alexander was greek
asfaehey 1 week ago
"Tell your king (Xerxes), who sent you, how his Greek viceroy (Alexander I) of Macedonia has received you hospitably." (Herod. V, 20, 4 [Loeb])
asfaehey 1 week ago
"But Alexander (I), proving himself to be an Argive, was judged to be a Greek;
so he contended in the furlong race and ran a dead heat for first place."
(Herod. V, 22, 2) hmmm again herodotus
asfaehey 1 week ago
If you prosper in this war, forget not to do something for my freedom; consider the risk I have run, out of zeal for the Hellenic cause, to acquaint you with what Mardonius intends, and to save you from being surprised by the barbarians.
I am Alexander of Macedon."
(Herodotus, The Histories, 9.45) hmmm...herodotus is considered one of the best historian of the ancient times
asfaehey 1 week ago
@asfaehey He was also making mistakes. He's the father of history writing, but he's interpretation of historical events are taken with reserve by most modern historians and researchers.
Nachkovski 1 week ago
@Nachkovski Yes but these i wrote before isnt a historical event...It is something that alexander told and it herodotus couldnt write it from his mind...Anyway...as long as i can see your nation tries to proove that macedonia is not greek and not that macedonia is fyrom...Lets hypothetically say that macedonians werent greeks...They could have been albanians or bulgarians or turks...What makes u think that are slavs?
asfaehey 1 week ago
@asfaehey You are being misled, my friend. I didn't say Ancient Macedonians were Slavs. Where have I pointed that out? My opinion, according to historical sources, is that they were not a Greek tribe. They ancestors were Bryges (Gr. Βρύγοι), who settled that region (Macedonia and Thrace) long ago in the prehistory and prompted Greek tribes' movement.
Nachkovski 1 week ago
@Nachkovski Then who you believe modern macedonians are?
asfaehey 1 week ago
@Nachkovski Then who you believe modern macedonians are?
asfaehey 1 week ago
@Nachkovski why are you trying to make me adopt your problem?do greeks look like having identity problems?...with these comments its very reasonable to become angry...of course i have clear history and its first time that a nation tries to adopt my history...you know this is very agressive from your side,because people like you who are
socrates6068 1 week ago
@asfaehey
"Edessa, the most ancient city of first Macedonians, the legendary and historical capital of Argeades royal dynasty, known in the era of Macedonian kings as Aegae, was built by Bryges a prehistoric pepople existing in the middle of 3th millenium BC, long ago before Greek tribes emerged in Europe"
Alice Stougianakis, Greek archaologist worked in 60's Edessa's excavations. Abstract from her article in Edessan Chronicles Magazine from May 1972
Nachkovski 1 week ago
@Nachkovski Mycenaens also existed in this time of period in peloponnisus and they were considered a greek tribe...Maybe you are right about edessa but alexander the great was born 2500 years later so probably the tribes might have changed...Macednon=μακεδνος in the dorian dialect means very tall due to omirus...And if you believe that macedonians werent greeks who are the modern macedonians???Someone have to be...But the point is that Fyrom has nothing incommon with anc. macedonians
asfaehey 1 week ago
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@Nachkovski Mycenaens also existed in this time of period in peloponnisus and they were considered a greek tribe...Maybe you are right about edessa but alexander the great was born 2500 years later so probably the tribes might have changed...Macednon=μακεδνος in the dorian dialect means very tall due to omirus...And if you believe that macedonians werent greeks who are the modern macedonians???Someone have to be...But the point is that Fyrom has nothing incommon with anc. macedonians
asfaehey 1 week ago
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@Nachkovski Mycenaens also existed in this time of period in peloponnisus and they were considered a greek tribe...Maybe you are right about edessa but alexander the great was born 2500 years later so probably the tribes might have changed...Macednon=μακεδνος in the dorian dialect means very tall due to omirus...And if you believe that macedonians werent greeks who are the modern macedonians???Someone have to be...But the point is that Fyrom has nothing incommon with anc macedonians
asfaehey 1 week ago
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@Nachkovski Mycenaens also existed in this time of period in peloponnisus and they were considered a greek tribe...Maybe you are right about edessa but alexander the great was born 2500 years later so probably the tribes might have changed...Macednon=μακεδνος in the dorian dialect means very tall due to omirus...And if you believe that macedonians werent greeks who are the modern macedonians???Someone have to be...But the point is that Fyrom has nothing incommon with anc macedonians
asfaehey 1 week ago
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@Nachkovski why are you trying to make me adopt your problem?do greeks look like having identity problems?...with these comments its very reasonable to become angry...of course i have clear history and its first time that a nation tries to adopt my history...you know this is very agressive from your side,because people like you who are
socrates6068 1 week ago
The speech of Alexander I, when he was admitted to the Olympic games "Men of Athens...
Had I not greatly at heart the common welfare of Hellas I should not have come to tell you; but I am myself Hellene by descent, and I would not willingly see Hellas exchange freedom for slavery....
asfaehey 1 week ago
Thousand videos on YouTube have been uploaded supporting Greek interpration of Macedonian history, but rarely whose arguments can at least withstand academic scrutiny.
Please, don't spread hatred toward any nation if you don't accept one's point of view. Use the language of science, not the language of politics and xenophobia.
Nachkovski 1 week ago
@Nachkovski are you mad?its you who talk about macedonian languache without having any clue....you speak bulgarian so watch what you write because you are probably bulgarian.....!!!and this is fact not poliitics
socrates6068 1 week ago
In the ancient Greek texts we also find the Greeks referring to one Egyptian God as Egyptian Athena. Of course, the real name of this Egyptian god can not be Athena (just like the name of the Macedonian god above was not Ares), since the Egyptians didn't worship Greek gods The ancient Greek writers here use Interpretatio Graeca in order to better relate to their audience the magnitude of the Macedonian and Egyptian gods, both foreign to them.
Nachkovski 1 week ago
@Nachkovski Star of vergina...hellenic symbol representing the 12 greek gods and 4 elements...why phillip had the star in his grave if he wouldnt worshippe greek gods
asfaehey 1 week ago
Macedonians had their own Gods and religion, separate from the Greeks. Macedonian Ares is a Macedonian god, which the ancient Greeks here compare to their own Ares. The fact that they call it "Macedonian Ares" clearly states that it is not the Greek God Ares, but a Macedonian god equivalent to the Greek Ares, whose name they had substituted with Ares. This phenomena when the ancient Greeks substitute the names of the foreign gods with names of their own gods, is called Interpretatio Graeca.
Nachkovski 1 week ago
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silvaisilva 1 week ago
Isn´t Grecee and Macedonia the same?
Please ansers
silvaisilva 1 week ago
@silvaisilva Of course it is the same dude...But slavs cant accept their unexisted history and say that they are the real macedonians...but they cant proove it...alexander the great spoke the greek language worshipped greek gods and had greek name...Slavs know this but they cant accept it...They say macedonians were never greeks...But it is prooven by many univercities (oxforf etc) that macedonians were a greek tribe...
asfaehey 1 week ago
@asfaehey thanks
silvaisilva 1 week ago
@asfaehey and by the way "enosis" means politic union with those of the same culture rigth?
silvaisilva 1 week ago
@silvaisilva right
asfaehey 1 week ago
@asfaehey then it has my suport
silvaisilva 1 week ago
@silvaisilva let me ask u a question...what do u and ur fellows get tought about alexander and macedonians...
asfaehey 1 week ago
@asfaehey Alexander is too us, me and my buddies that study and debate military in "Forum Defesa" like a god, bigger then Julio Caesar, Hannibal Barca, and many others (he is, to me something like Viriato, Lusitan leader killed whit treason by the roman paid assassins once is friends)
silvaisilva 1 week ago
@asfaehey Alexander didn't speak Ancient Greek or "koine" in those times. He knew the language, but it wasn't his mother tongue. Ancient macedonian was a distinct language and it wasn't any "unidentified" doric dialect or idiom. Read history lessons first, then post comments!
Nachkovski 1 week ago
@Nachkovski Hahahaha it was a doric dialect...all the history books proove that...even the name macedonian comes from greek macednon μακεδνος meaning very tall in doric dialect and in the ionian...Dont tell me to read history...What i say is prooven
asfaehey 1 week ago
@asfaehey Greek names are not an indication of one's ethic origin. Olympias, Alexander's mother and Philip's wife had hellenic name, but she wasn't Greek (Hellen).
Nachkovski 1 week ago
@Nachkovski If u really knew history u would know that olympia wasnt from macedon but from the mollosians (greek tribe modern epirus) cant deny that...And why didnt then had slav names like...Alexandar or Phillipvski or Olympianski...
asfaehey 1 week ago
@silvaisilva If you want to know the truth, you should try reading history books of different authors. Greece or Hellas and Macedonia were distinct territories and were never considered one and the same. Macedonia is multiethnic society today. Using the word "Slav" for its inhabitants is false and biased.
Nachkovski 1 week ago
@Nachkovski Just a question for silvaisilva...where are u from and what do u and your fellows get tought in history about macedonia...That it is a greek tribe or a slav?
asfaehey 1 week ago
@Nachkovski slavs? yes i´ve herd of them, it seems that the word slav come from there, nice civilization to be honest, don´t commit the same mistakes that the greeks and whe portuguese did of joinig EU
silvaisilva 1 week ago
The Paiones were a greek speaking tribe as well..you should understand that at that time there were MANY dialects of the greek language..every tribe spoke differently..it was a way of keeping their identity and independence. There was no greek nation back then...just as there was no Slavic nation back then..but many Slavic speaking tribes..living in east Europe.
Hermotimos 1 week ago
Fyroans are so fake...no idea of History whatsoever..none at all. Just propaganda. They are Bulgarian speaking Slavs...they have nothing to do with the ancient greek speaking Makedones tribe...besides that, the land now inhabited by the Fyroans was at that time the land of the Paiones tribe...conquered by Philippos the Macedonian (together with the greater part of the Balcan peninsula) whose homeland was Pella (Greece)..before Philippos the northern lands were NOT part of Macedon...
Hermotimos 1 week ago
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Alexander The Great Of Macedonia have blond hair, blue eyes like all Macedons, Wels, Kelts, Vends, Venets, Slovenes, Winds, Venicians, Trojans, Thracians, Miridonians, Paflagonians... All natives in Europe from prehistoric times. Their native religion is: Sun(Kresnik), Spirit(Zvisheni) and Earth(Shiva). From antic times to nowadays all they were invaded by nomadic tribes (Roms, Semits, Hamits, Anglokosaks and Turkomongols). Hello to Triglav, Treglav, Trimus, Tristan, Troja.
XTadej 1 week ago
Nope dude you werent macedonia you were VARDASKA
asfaehey 1 week ago
@asfaehey You said nothing with this "vardarska". If you don't understand macedonian language, don't use such words just to declare hatred toward Macedonians rather than say something smart and supportive. Besides, "vardarska" is adjective, you should have added "Makedonija" to explain your notion - Vardarska Makedonija, one part of the whole territory. For English speakers, Vardar Macedonia, where Vardar river flows.
Nachkovski 1 week ago
Look asshole.there are written texts writing hellenes all in ancient greek not bulgarian.and I am wondering if you are macedonians how can it be possible from such a big kingdom there was left NONE script of your bulgarian lang. But we find greeks and in macedonia territory and since you claim that macedonians werent greeks
asfaehey 1 week ago
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Makedonia was never Greek , that is FACT.
the greek State at the time of Alexander the Great never exist , that is also FACT.
The first battle of Alexander the Great was against the Athenians, that is FACT.
Tell me , what is the oldest coin with the inscription : ELLADA,HELLAS or Greek.
Tell me , what is available on all coins of the Macedonians:Ellada, Hellas or Greek?
Tell me , what is in the bible writing: Ellada, Hellas or Greek?
Greeks can never be MAKEDONIANS.
Devoj4E 1 week ago
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Some facts:
1.Philip the second ( the father of Alexander the great ) is the conqueror of Greece - So Greece is Macedonia --> Lie !
2. 1913 - The Partition of Macedonia by Greece and Bulgaria
3. 1948 - Exodus over 300.000 Macedonians from the Aegean Macedonia - Victims of the Greek Civil war
4. 118 countries has recognized Macedonia
5. Why Greeks and there alies are scared Macedonia to get in nato and eu?because they are scared of this facts , because Macedonians will look for rivenge ,
nedobri 1 week ago
lol fyrom ..... what a pathetic little " country" . you guys can have your little parades , wear your little " I hate greece " shirts , and live in your sad own delusion ...... at first it annoyed me that some completely unimportant country was stealing greek history , now I just find it sad and I feel really bad for you . Its a shame the most educated fyromian cannot read what is written on Phillip and Alexander's tomb , but a 5 year old greek can ;)
ThePeter2386 1 week ago
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Alexander The Great Of Macedonia have blond hair, blue eyes like all Macedons, Wels, Kelts, Vends, Venets, Slovenes, Winds, Venicians, Trojans, Thracians, Miridonians, Paflagonians... All natives in Europe from prehistoric times. Their native religion is: Sun(Kresnik), Spirit(Zvisheni) and Earth(Shiva). From antic times to nowadays all they were invaded by nomadic tribes (Roms, Semits, Hamits, Anglokosaks and Turkomongols). Hello to Triglav, Treglav, Trimus, Tristan, Troja.
XTadej 2 weeks ago
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Where are the inscriptions of the Greek state as a unit of evidence from the time of Alexander the Great?? Wherever I look, I can NOT find the words: Ellada, hellas or Greek. How can Macedonia be Greek if it has not given the Greek state? Where are the antic coins with the Words:HELLAS,ELLADA or GREEK????There are no antic coins with that words, WHY????At the time of Alexander the Great the State Greek not exist ,that is fakt !!!!!! STOP steeling the MAKEDONIAN history
Devoj4E 2 weeks ago
Macedonian Kingdom was a separate entity, devoid from Greek borders, even though they were not so clearly defined. Ancient authors mention Macedonians, Greeks, Romans, Thracians, as differentiated groups of people. While researching ancient history, we must take care of what the sources say and how they imply to these ancient ethnicities. There is no term "Macedonian Greeks", just Macedonian or Greek.
Nachkovski 2 weeks ago
@Nachkovski "There is no term "Macedonian Greeks", just Macedonian or Greek"...how old are you?5?wtf?of course there is like spartan greeks,thessalian greeks,thracian greeks,athenian greeks, so macedonian greeks,these are all greek tribes.learn for once greek history properlly slav.learn also that you came here 6 centuries after alexander rules.come on deal with your blood brothers bulgarians!you know you are bulgarian and even if you dont thats ok,you will get used to it,you cant be macedonian
socrates6068 1 week ago
@socrates6068 How furious have you become? If you are completely clear with your national history, why are you so angry? That is a diagnosis of crisis identity or uncertainty.
Nachkovski 1 week ago
@Nachkovski why are you trying to make me adopt your problem?do greeks look like having identity problems?...with these comments its very reasonable to become angry...of course i have clear history and its first time that a nation tries to adopt my history...you know this is very agressive from your side,because people like you who are totally bulgarians and you know that deep inside your head...you keep insult us and the most annoying is that you adopt greek history without knowing anything
socrates6068 1 week ago
@Nachkovski why are you trying to make me adopt your problem?do greeks look like having identity problems?...with these comments its very reasonable to become angry...of course i have clear history and its first time that a nation tries to adopt my history...you know this is very agressive from your side,because people like you who are certainly bulgarians and you know it deep inside,consider our history as yours,and then you parafraze everything is writen as a proof....
socrates6068 1 week ago
@Nachkovski why are you trying to make me adopt your problem?do greeks look like having identity problems?...with these comments its very reasonable to become angry...of course i have clear history and its first time that a nation tries to adopt my history...you know this is very agressive from your side,because people like you who are certainly bulgarians and you know it deep inside,consider our history as yours,and then you parafraze everything is writen as a proof....
socrates6068 1 week ago
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@Nachkovski why are you trying to make me adopt your problem?do greeks look like having identity problems?...with these comments its very reasonable to become angry...of course i have clear history and its first time that a nation tries to adopt my history...you know this is very agressive from your side,because people like you who are certainly bulgarians and you know it deep inside,consider our history as yours,and then you parafraze everything is writen as a proof....
socrates6068 1 week ago
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@Nachkovski why are you trying to make me adopt your problem?do greeks look like having identity problems?...with these comments its very reasonable to become angry...of course i have clear history and its first time that a nation tries to adopt my history...you know this is very agressive from your side,because people like you who are certainly bulgarians and you know it deep inside,consider our history as yours,and then you parafraze everything is writen as a proof....
socrates6068 1 week ago
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@Nachkovski why are you trying to make me adopt your problem?do greeks look like having identity problems?...with these comments its very reasonable to become angry...of course i have clear history and its first time that a nation tries to adopt my history...you know this is very agressive from your side,because people like you who are certainly bulgarians and you know it deep inside,consider our history as yours,and then you parafraze everything is writen as a proof....
socrates6068 1 week ago
@Nachkovski you all speak bulgarian but you state a macedonian languache,your country name was vardrska and you were happy and proud bulgarians and now you claim other identity,all philosophers,historians of that time state clearly alexander s greekness but the worst comment i have ever read is "fuck them,its a lie they never wrote that",you claim macedonian languache at a time that over 6 000 scripts include only greek languache no macedonian,we say to you that there were greek city states
socrates6068 1 week ago
@socrates6068 We don't speak Bulgarian and there is no reason to think so, especially if you don't speak any southslavic language to notice the difference in grammar structure, word formation and accent etc. What looks similar, doesn't mean it's the same. If you are about to defend your heritage, I don't reprimand it, but if you try to make claims about issues you have no scholarly training with, then I'll have my right to defend it.
Nachkovski 1 week ago
@Nachkovski well i have seen many uploaded videos in youtube reffering bulgarian words that are also in your lang
asfaehey 1 week ago
@Nachkovski And if we arent the descedants of ancient macedonians then who is???You said it yourself that slavs have nothing to do with them...Fyrom-bulgary came in the 6th century AD...
asfaehey 1 week ago
@socrates6068 It is as if you don't make difference between Serbian and Croatian language, even though they existed as separate languages. You lack knowledge in this field, concerning Slavic languages. Open Wikipedia to inform yourself or even other encyclopedias, written or electronic.
Nachkovski 1 week ago
@Nachkovski а б в г д ѓ е ж з ѕ и ј к л љ м н њ о п р с т ќ у ф х ц ч џ ш(fyrom)
А Б В Г Д Е Ж З И Й К Л М Н О П Р С Т У Ф Х Ц Ч Ш Щ Ъ (bulgarian)
ahahahahahaaa are you fucking kidding me or you make fun of me?!?!?!?!?
Krste Misirkov wrote:1. We speak Bulgarian language and we believed with Bulgarians is our strong power.
2. The Bulgarians in Macedonia. The future of Macedonia is spiritual union of the Bulgarians in Macedonia.
3. The Macedonian Slavs are called Bulgarians.
socrates6068 1 week ago
@socrates6068 You have not proven anything with this. It smells on Bulgarian propaganda here that Greeks enjoy to propagate, to support their cause.
Nachkovski 1 week ago
@socrates6068 It's just a cyrillic alphabet in two languages. Letter Ѕ is not found in Bulgarian. It was common amongs Slavic communities in the Middle Ages that belonged to Slavic tribes fusing with Ancient Macedonians around the city of Solun. Bulgarians are not purely of Slavic descent. Don't forget that the name Bulgaria derives from the conquering tribe forming in the distant Asia.
Nachkovski 1 week ago
@Nachkovski Please can you call Thessaloniki with its real name and not Solun???This is stupid
asfaehey 1 week ago
@asfaehey Not just Macedonians, but also other nations like Serbians, Bulgarian, Croats etc. use the name Solun for Thessaloniki (Θεσσαλονίκη). Why do find it derogatory? Is it "Istanbul" derogatory for you and me, instead of saying "Constantinople", having in mind that it was the Capital of the Byzantine Empire?
Nachkovski 1 week ago
@Nachkovski Well i have no problem with it but some of your fellows annoyed me when they posted a video on youtube saying that the name thessaloniki never existed and that the real one has always been Solun...I gave them an pretty simple script for example saying ΘΕΣΣΑΛΟΝΙΚΗ ΦΙΛΛΙΠΟΥ ΒΑΣΣΙΛΗΣΑΝ=to queen thessaloniki of fillip ...but they didnt believe that this script is real...
You might be the first and last of your kind that i can open a conversation without arguing
asfaehey 1 week ago
@asfaehey Yes, it was a city founded by Macedonian king Kassander. Philip II of Macedon named it Thessalonika after achieving victory over Thessalians. The word have greek roots (Θεσσαλοί or Θετταλοί + νικάω = I win or νίκη = victory).
Nachkovski 1 week ago
@Nachkovski I know the ancient greek language...And the script says θεσσαλονικη φιλιππου βασιλισσαν = to queen thessalonice (daughter) of fillip...I can see you are skilled with thr ancient greek language...
asfaehey 1 week ago
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Nachkovski 1 week ago
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@asfaehey Friend, I think the inscription should be Θεσσαλονίκῃ Φιλίππου Βασίλισσᾳ if the translation is "to the queen Thessalonika of Philip". Βασίλισσα is a queen in Ancient Greek. The uncials you wrote should be corrected to ΘΕΣΣΑΛΟΝΙΚΗ ΦΙΛΙΠΠΟΥ ΒΑΣΙΛΙΣΣΑ. Check the script you have in the photo to see if I'm wrong.
Nachkovski 1 week ago
@asfaehey @Nachkovski how do you guys control the alphabets so easly? amazing
silvaisilva 1 week ago
@silvaisilva Well Greek is supposed to be one of the most difficult language but with years of practice we speak fluently
asfaehey 1 week ago
@Nachkovski man dont try to fool me plz....i understood by your comments you have written in this video that you are a person with knowledje...dont tell me plz it s not the same because its fucking the same,,,its obvious slav alphabet,nothing to do with "macedonian"...so, maybe bulgarians are macedonians because you speak almost same languache...but alexander was speaking greek...only greek scripts had survive...dont you think its a little bit strange?bulgarian languavhe didnt exist that time
socrates6068 1 week ago
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Nachkovski 1 week ago
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@socrates6068 We're not discussing about Bulgarian language here, friend. Take a quick look at Wikipedia (or any other encyclopedia) concerning Macedonian language. I know what's confusing you. How come Ancient Macedonians speak a language differing from the language modern Macedonian speak?
Nachkovski 1 week ago
@Nachkovski any of bulgarian letters had survive...where is your proofs of macedonian languache...tell me my friend.
socrates6068 1 week ago
@Nachkovski "We Macedonian Bulgarians (Macedonians) like Bulgarian state as our own."
"Our Grandfathers call themselves Bulgarians. They never thing that we will be having such a problem to call ourselves so"
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The population of Skopje is pure Bulgarian. Bulgaria make a big error when recognize the territory for “neutral”. It is pure Bulgarian and the population in Skopje and surrounding area is pure Bulgarian."............................................
socrates6068 1 week ago
@Nachkovski fighting eachother like athens vs sparta but you keep saying macedonia conquered us,we give you then the proofs and writings and coins and scripts all of them admit alexander s greekness but you start insult like "idiot gayreeks etc"...thats why you slavs make us mad,because you dont know how to respect,not to be aggressive and be civilized...and sometime greece will may use force against you and then we will be criminals,,,i think that your madness must stop because you are the
socrates6068 1 week ago
@socrates6068 I don't justify insults between neighbours on national basis. I'm against it, really. Whenever you use the term "Slavs" I fell as if someone is showing hatred toward me and the others living here. Bear in mind that it may be a derogatory term to other Slavic peoples like Serbians, Croats, Montenegrins, Bulgarians.
Nachkovski 1 week ago
@Nachkovski only one who will get in a difficult position at the end my friend.and i speak very thruthfully to you...
socrates6068 1 week ago
@Nachkovski i could give you as well over 150 quotes wright now but i think its a little bit useless because you will not accept it and its logical,,,at least you dont insult us for now.
socrates6068 1 week ago
@Nachkovski just because you like them....get your proofs here or else stop these idiot scenarios from your mind.you cant change facts!
socrates6068 1 week ago
fucking gayreek propaganda
we all know that you hellass have great lobby group but you always wr\ere just macedonians slaves nothing else
drumercoka 2 weeks ago
it said other greeks ,meaning thay are greeks..
tieyetos 2 weeks ago
What's the point of this video? It's merely stating a historical fact.
FindecanoMordecai 2 weeks ago
"... that OTHER Greeks consider inferior." So, the narrator confirms the idea that Macedonians were of Greek stock, because he doesn't use the term - neighbors, enemies, or something else. He uses "OTHER Greeks". HA!
shockolanu 2 weeks ago
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Makedonia was never Greek , that is FACT.
the greek State at the time of Alexander the Great never exist , that is also FACT.
The first battle of Alexander the Great was against the Athenians, that is FACT.
Tell me , what is the oldest coin with the inscription : ELLADA,HELLAS or Greek.
Tell me , what is available on all coins of the Macedonians:Ellada, Hellas or Greek?
Tell me , what is in the bible writing: Ellada, Hellas or Greek?
Greeks can never be MAKEDONIANS.
Devoj4E 3 weeks ago
Truths will be revealed in the future that no one can denounce. Keep that in mind.... :)
TigerZBigZ 3 weeks ago
Someone called me the other day to translate for a man just coming from Europe. I am a proud Bulgarian and was translating every word by word. I was not having a difficult time by understanding the other person so I thought wow! another lone Bulgarian like me. In the end the man asks me "where did you learn to speak MACEDONIAN so perfectly?" I was surprised and answered " Why, I am speaking Bulgarian...." In the end the man stormed off because I supposedly insulted him.
TigerZBigZ 3 weeks ago
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What are the earliest coins with the words: Ellada,Hellas or Greek???
How can Macedonia be Greek if it has not given the Greek state at the time of Alexander the Great?
Stop steeling the Makedonian History MAKEDONIA never greek
Greeks can never be MAKEDONIANS whatever they do !!!!
Viva la Makedonia 4 all Makedonians but never 4 fascist Greeks
Devoj4E 3 weeks ago
RE MOSXARIA, MAKEDONES DEN HA GINETAI POTE RE MOSOULMANIKA KOPROSKYLA MOGOLARIDES TOURKOSPOROI
lazarakis1983 3 weeks ago 3
"An area of Macedonia in Northern Greece" what he means is today Greece. Greece exilled part of Macedonia in 1913.
Macedonia was never part of Greece prior 1913.
TheMsMkd 3 weeks ago
@TheMsMkd Whole Greece was never whole... from ancient times all the Greek cities/tribes were in was to dominate to each other. All greek tribes like Macedoninas Athenians and Spartans knew they were Greek but they fought for Domination to each other! And all of you from Fyrom Pretend that Alexander wasnt a Greek ... then answer me what is the meaning of the name Alexander (Αλεξανδρος in Greek)? If you cant then silence and learn to accept the truth even if it hurts!!!!!!!!
Oroposgr 3 weeks ago
@Oroposgr Names are not implying one's ethnicity. Macedonians were influenced by their southern neighbours Greek, since Greece has become one of culturally most developed region in the ancient past beside Egypt, Babylon etc. from the Orient. It is expected that similarities should occur in the field of political, economical, cultural or social rise of Ancient Macedonians. Macedonians have never been brothers to the Ancient Greeks. They were the enemies that conquered them.
Nachkovski 2 weeks ago
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@Nachkovski you are wrong Macedonians were considered uncouth and second class Greeks like many other underdeveloped Greek kingdoms but not non Greeks that's why they were allowed to join events which were only for Greeks. And u are inaccurate in what u sayPhilip didn't beat the Greeks as you say. He beat the Athenians & the Thebans and while he did that he had other Greeks on his side like the Foceans the Lokreans&others. I'd suggest you to learn Greek history seems like u need it
666Beefman 2 weeks ago
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FINAL QUESTION FOR ALL "Macedonians" from FYROM THAT THINK ALEXANDER WASNT A GREEK... what does ALEXANDER (in greek Αλεξανδρος) mean? Answer that then talk to me again about history!
Oroposgr 4 weeks ago
@Oroposgr I DONT SEE A COMMENT HERE PrinzeMKD WHY IS THAT??????
Oroposgr 3 weeks ago
Mother of Alexander was Albanian and his father was from epirus with Illyrian nationality so stop talk for alexander because he had albanian blood...
kienvtienr 4 weeks ago
@kienvtienr have you got shit in your head?
maxiscoolize 4 weeks ago
@kienvtienr stop with this s**t.
PrinzeMKD 4 weeks ago
You are using words without even knowing the meaning of them. Give an explanation of the word "macedonia".. where does this name come from? Explain what alexander mean? And tell me why both of these
''terms" happens to be greek words. They mean sth, they tell sth in greek language!(ofcourse such as many other names.)
xristos722 4 weeks ago
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Nachkovski 2 weeks ago
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@xristos722 In Macedonia many people wear names of Greek origin: Dimitri (Demeter), Teofan (Theophanes), Leonid (Leonidas), Aleksandar (Alexandros) and so on. Does it mean they are Greeks?
Names does not imply one's ethnicity. Olympias, Alexander's mother, was of barbarian heritage, from Epirus, where Illyrians have that area populated. Her name is of Greek origin, isn't it?
Then, please don't be shallow. Greek names are not a STRONG argument for your claims. It has flaws.
Nachkovski 2 weeks ago