Jesus dude, he doesn't even have both hands on the wheel for the vast majority of this lap. That F-duct trigger was dangerous as hell but it seems that he drives flat-out either way. I cannot imagine the balls it takes to do that right there
@WillGregScott Well, he does for the entire lap, the thing is that the gloves are almost camouflaged against the wheel, he needs both hands at the wheel since that is how he switches gears. Impressive!
@EnriqueGreenwell Nope....he has his left hand off the wheel through quite a few of the corners (including the last one). They can go up and down gears with the same paddle as well by flicking it the other way.
@reagerd Good observation, I see the logo on the glove go up and down, I believe there must be something downthere for them to control, but I thought everything was now on the wheel. Cheers.
@BeakedMonk50 WOOWWWWW HOW COOOL and you know that hamilton makes a better setup than vettel do you even now in your life that the laptime of a formula 1 car is 90 % the setup and 10% the drivers race skill?
1) He's kicking Webber's ass at Red bull. Not one time in the last 15 races has Webber managed to finish ahead of Vettel. Nonetheless, every Australian hates Vettel for this reason.
2) He has the best car. He is dominating this season causing all Alonso and Hamilton fans to say he's nothing special just the car doing all the work. Notorious collisions with other drivers during Vettel's career has led to the retarded myth that he has no racecraft.
@Anime998877 1. True, though Red Bull have blatantly favoured Vettel for over a year now and the car is built aroud him.
2. Retarded? Myth? No. He has one of the worst race crafts in the field. Have you seen how he reacts to being told to overtake? Have you SEEN his overtakes? Have you seen what he does when under pressure? Answers: He panicks, he hits thing, he panicks and makes mistakes.
I thought his come through the field in brazil 2009 was decent. In china 2010 he wasn't that good but he was better than Webber. Silverstone 2010 was a very good come through the field albeit a clumsy move on sutil I think? Spain 2011 he had to pass Button and Massa to make his strategy work and he did that brilliantly.
I know he's not the best overtaker. Turkey 2010 and Spa 2010 spring to mind but he's certainly not useless at it either. Vettel is the 3rd best driver in f1 in my opinion.
Yes Red bull prefer Vettel but they're not going to blatently slow down Webber's car to make Vettel look better. Webber is no slouch and he's beaten him fair and square in 2009, 2010, and now beating him in 2011...
Oh Vettel under pressure? You mean like that last 25 laps of spain this year? Or the entire 2nd half of monaco this year? I didn't see him lose his cool once.
And he did not simply undercut everybody to death then I would give him credit; as he will have shown he is now able to overtake and race well. Until then, his racecraft is in question.
I do not hate Vettel, I simply hate the ridiculous amount of un-due praise he gets from people.
The only real way to settle this is when Vettel, at some point this year (hopefully) fucks up in Quali or gets a penalty and starts from below 5th. I would love to see what he could do from there, he's at the top of his game and is superb but i'm yet to be convinced on his wheel to wheel combat, of which Hamilton is the best in the field. Until he lays that to rest there will always be doubts, but you can't have a go at him for always qualifying on pole, he is one of the best, thats for certain.
@imnotftw that fact doesn't true. he won 2009 abu dhabi grandpirx, 2010 malaysian grand prix, 2010 brasilian grandpirx and 2011 spanish grand prix after start from other pole than P1
@peeroF1 In fairness though, at the 2009 Abu Dhabi grand prix Hamilton retired from the lead and in the 2010 Malaysian and Brazilian grand prix, he took the lead at the first corner.
As for the 2011 Spanish grand prix, that's fair enough.
@toodsf1 To be fair too though; the 2009 Abu Dhabi GP; Vettel came out of the 1st pitstop ahead of Hamilton (who had also pitted); and then Lewis who was in 2nd retired
@raymondu99 Huh, I don't remember that. My bad. But perhaps Hamilton was slower because of the brake issue that led to his retirement - I don't know. Like I said I don't remember it that well :)
@toodsf1 Heh it's all right - it's almost 2 years now. But actually there wasn't much of a brake problem; it just looked on the telemetry that there were signs of a brake problem; and McLaren couldn't risk Lewis showing up at a braking zone at 316km/h and having dud brakes
@peeroF1 WOW! In Brasilian GP he had to overtake Nico Hulkenberg. Almost impossible. And at last year he had the best car, in this year he has got the best car, but he is not the best driver in F1
@imnotftw Well, he has, twice I belive. But both times he started NEAR the front and got into the lead by the first corner; he has NEVER overtaken someone for a race win.
@MetaKnightsKirby@imnotftw Abu Dhabi 2009 - Hamilton retired. Malaysian GP 2010 - Strategy. Brasilian GP 2010/Spanish GP 2011 - Good start. Vettel has never won by overtaking
@Blindkiller64 Indeed, which is why I frequently compare him to Massa. Except, Massa HAS proven his speed against other fast drivers (Villeneuve, Schumacher, Raikkonen and Alonso are some pretty tough team mates) and HAS proven he can overtake cleanly (although he is just not as capable of overtaking people as most of his rivals). And people say Vettel is the greatest?
@MetaKnightsKirby I agree. Vettel is fast and of course he is one of the greatest of the grid, but he only wins with a exceptional car or in wet conditions. I still wondering what would happened if red Bull had selected Mark Webber instead of selecting Vettel for 2010's title...
@Blindkiller64 Spanish GP 2011? He wasn't leading after the start! Malaysian GP 2010? He was way faster than anyone else. Why does he need to win by overtaking? Why does it matter? fact is, he does win, he's dominating this years season and it has been completely fair. He's lightning fast in qualifying and most of the time he backs it up with a strong race
@dan1994L He is dominating because of the car, not because of his driving skills. He has never won a championship with the 2nd or third car on the grid as Alonso or Raikkonen did (2005/2007)
@Blindkiller64 he's had what, 3 full season's of F1. He had one of the worst cars in 2008, and had some solid races, including a win. In 2009, he had the second fastest car, but engine failures and the dominant brawn made it difficult. 2010 he won, even though his mechanical failures meant it was webber with the best car. Now he is dominating 2011 season.. pretty solid career so far if you ask me
@dan1994L Webber was the second driver of Red Bull and it was demonstrated in Abu Dhabi when Red Bull deceived Ferrari by using Webber. And of course the point you are explaining is okay, but I said that he never won a championship with the 2nd or worse car of the grid...
@Blindkiller64 That's not true about Abu Dhabi, Webber was on the radio complaining his tyres had gone off. And yes that's true about the car, but how many seasons has he been in? give it time, he's still got plenty of years left, I'm sure he'll win with a worse car as well (assuming rbr ever make a worse car!!)
@dan1994L Not really, given that as soon as he has to overtake someone he fails to do so (or if he does, he makes a mess of it). Getting the jump of the start line is one thing. Overtaking somebody on track is another.
@MetaKnightsKirby clearly, you're an idiot. Firstly, he barely ever gets the jump at the start, he's a crap starter. Secondly, If he starts so many GP from pole, then that leaves barely any gp for him to win from elsewhere. The only reason other drivers have won more from other positions is because they don't start from pole as much as him, giving them more races to be able to win from other positions
@dan1994L No. When he IS back in the pack is when he struggles. The reason he isnt back in the pack much is his main selling point; he is certainly very quick. If he is a bad starter, that does nothing to improve his image.
He is like Massa; fast but not so good in wheel to wheel situations.
@MetaKnightsKirby My point is; what does it matter about wheel to wheel situations? If he can start from pole all the time and win, then who cares? he can dominate to the championships. Mark Webber has never won from places other than the front row, and his 3 victories from second place were: 2 when the pole sitter got a puncture and 1 when the pole sitter got a drive through. It's just a trend for RBR drivers because their cars are so fast in quali
@dan1994L What about the times he HAS been back in the pack? Based on these instances, his ability in wheel to wheel combat is one of the weakest in the field.
@MetaKnightsKirby He hasn't messed up an overtake so far this year, has he? And don't say he has not overtaken anybody this year. You know that's not true.
@UltimateWheelman I dont class overtakes made today using DRS or tires 6 seconds a lap faster as 'overtakes', they require almost no skill at all, good for Vettel as he cant overtake cleanly to save his life.
@MetaKnightsKirby There's no such thing as "tires 6 seconds a lap faster", and YOU KNOW THAT. Yes, Vettel has made mistakes, but he has also overtaken cleanly many, many times, with and without DRS. You just refuse to give him any credit for it because you don't like him, which means that if Vettel wins a race from 24th you will give all the credit to the car and none to Vettel, which is what haters do. Bye now.
@UltimateWheelman Really? Tires that have reached the end of their life are about 5-6 seconds a lap slower than fresh ones, which is why it is hard to take F1 seriously anymore. Overtaken many cars cleanly? Nowhere near as many as he should, and face it, DRS overtakes are a joke. Vettel is not a proficient overtaker. If he wins from 24th, and it is a well earned victory (not simply undercutting everybody to death using the Red Bulls demonic speed advantage) [continued]
@MetaKnightsKirby Sure, he has had some bad ones from the back, but so has everyone. Drivers get more desperate when they're out of position. What about a race like Silverstone though, Vettel passed plenty of cars on track there. He makes some mistakes, but so do all the drivers on the grid. Fact is, Vettel is the quickest driver out there, and his ability to start from the back doesn't matter, because he dominates every qualifying session. His results this year speak for themselves, true champ
@dan1994L His failure rate in the middle of the pack is about the highest of any driver. His Silverstone charge last year is about his only saving grace, though Massa's in 2007 was far more impressive.
Vettel, the fastest? Based on what? Alonso reckons it is Hamilton, I dont see why Vettel is anything special. He is not the best if he can only win from the front; even if he is the fastest. But he IS driving a car a good 7 tenths to a second faster than anything...
@MetaKnightsKirby Based on the amount of poles he has taken, he is the fastest. On one lap runs, surely you can't deny that Vettel is the best in the field. Sure, his race craft isn't where his speed is, but he's a great driver. This season has proven that. And 2008, he won in a Torro Rosso, as well as plenty of other performances well beyond the car's capabilities. I doubt Hamilton is the fastest driver, it used to be his awesome races that saved Hamilton, but now he doesn't even have that
@dan1994L I can deny he is the best, because it is complete nonsense. He has had only weak teamates until Webber. By the time Webber had recovered from his injury in 2009, Vettel was the favoured driver. Not a fair comparison. He has had the best car for 2 years now, that does not mean he is the fastest. The 2008 Torro Rosso? Good car, same as the 2008 Red Bull with a better engine, probably as good as the Renault at that stage of the season. Hamilton doesnt need saving [continued]
@MetaKnightsKirby Vettel is mentioned all around the world by media and F1 fans as 'the next Schumi'. And everyone (with exceptions) knows he will go on to win many, many more championships. To be honest, I reckon Alonso has proven to be the best driver on the grid from what I've seen. But there have been moments where he has been far from that. Whereas Vettel has been more consistant. I don't even like Vettel as a person, I just like his accent and skill.
@dan1994L Media hyperbole at its best. Vettel IS good, and WILL win many championships, but I dont think he is the best nor the fastest, nor is he the most consistent (though more so than when he was younger).
@MetaKnightsKirby I only ever said he was the fastest, which I still stand by. The best is probably Alonso, while most consistent, someone like Button or Rosberg.
@MetaKnightsKirby I said he was the best on one lap runs, the two guys get the same car for qualifying. There have only been a few instances where Vettel has actually been favoured. and it's because he's the better driver. He's proven it time and time again. The 2008 Torro Rosso wasn't as good as the Renault, which was also a rubbish car so it doesn't even matter. Mentioned in the same breath as Hamilton and Alonso? You've got to be kidding (continued)
@boweowen You are wrong. The lap record figure and the pole lap are NOT THE SAME THING. I know the 'lap record', which is set IN THE RACE, is a 1:50.257, but Vettel's pole lap was 15 seconds faster.
'Lap records' are those set in the race itself, qualifying laps dont count towards it.
@MetaKnightsKirby shit. 15 sec is much even with the fuel advantage. Its just hard to belive it. 15 sec. but your right. must have been a slow race in korea 2010.
@boweowen the korean grand prix was the wettest race of the year, they had to delay the race again and again until it was barely raceable and then they raced on full wets and intermediates until it was dark and nearly impossible to see!!
What a stupid circuit. Way too much movement in the 2nd and 3rd sectors. There are only two good places to overtake: at the end of the pit straight, and at the end of the long straight in sector 1. Hopefully Tilke does a better job with Austin, Texas.
@dfdrox What? I think it is really really good. At least the overtaking opportunities are aligned well so that they are not only theoretic. The designers knew that in the twisty bits there would be no overtaking, so why bother trying to make an overtaking spot, when it will do nothing but ruin the flow of the circuit. I love the way it looks. A good mix of straight line speed and flatout cornering madness. Great combination, and a great flow in sector 2 and 3.
Jesus dude, he doesn't even have both hands on the wheel for the vast majority of this lap. That F-duct trigger was dangerous as hell but it seems that he drives flat-out either way. I cannot imagine the balls it takes to do that right there
WillGregScott 2 months ago
@WillGregScott Well, he does for the entire lap, the thing is that the gloves are almost camouflaged against the wheel, he needs both hands at the wheel since that is how he switches gears. Impressive!
EnriqueGreenwell 2 months ago
@EnriqueGreenwell Nope....he has his left hand off the wheel through quite a few of the corners (including the last one). They can go up and down gears with the same paddle as well by flicking it the other way.
reagerd 1 month ago
@reagerd Good observation, I see the logo on the glove go up and down, I believe there must be something downthere for them to control, but I thought everything was now on the wheel. Cheers.
EnriqueGreenwell 1 month ago
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WillGregScott 2 months ago
Vettel + Red Bull Racing = LEGEND
TheUkrainianF1Fan 4 months ago
That track looks really difficult!
ANDYB1478 4 months ago
@BeakedMonk50 WOOWWWWW HOW COOOL and you know that hamilton makes a better setup than vettel do you even now in your life that the laptime of a formula 1 car is 90 % the setup and 10% the drivers race skill?
Grisu94x 5 months ago
that braking at 00:23 blows me away
from over 300 to i'd say around or just over 100 within ~2 seconds is just so amazing!
and at 01:29, that direction change... holy shit!
DunkleVollNuss 7 months ago
that braking at 00:23 blows me away
from over 300 to i'd say around or just over 100 within ~2 seconds is just so amazing!
DunkleVollNuss 7 months ago
Red Bull owns that last sector !
CanYurGameTV 7 months ago
The reasons why Vettel has so many haters:
1) He's kicking Webber's ass at Red bull. Not one time in the last 15 races has Webber managed to finish ahead of Vettel. Nonetheless, every Australian hates Vettel for this reason.
2) He has the best car. He is dominating this season causing all Alonso and Hamilton fans to say he's nothing special just the car doing all the work. Notorious collisions with other drivers during Vettel's career has led to the retarded myth that he has no racecraft.
Anime998877 7 months ago 2
@Anime998877 1. True, though Red Bull have blatantly favoured Vettel for over a year now and the car is built aroud him.
2. Retarded? Myth? No. He has one of the worst race crafts in the field. Have you seen how he reacts to being told to overtake? Have you SEEN his overtakes? Have you seen what he does when under pressure? Answers: He panicks, he hits thing, he panicks and makes mistakes.
MetaKnightsKirby 7 months ago
I thought his come through the field in brazil 2009 was decent. In china 2010 he wasn't that good but he was better than Webber. Silverstone 2010 was a very good come through the field albeit a clumsy move on sutil I think? Spain 2011 he had to pass Button and Massa to make his strategy work and he did that brilliantly.
I know he's not the best overtaker. Turkey 2010 and Spa 2010 spring to mind but he's certainly not useless at it either. Vettel is the 3rd best driver in f1 in my opinion.
Anime998877 7 months ago
Yes Red bull prefer Vettel but they're not going to blatently slow down Webber's car to make Vettel look better. Webber is no slouch and he's beaten him fair and square in 2009, 2010, and now beating him in 2011...
Oh Vettel under pressure? You mean like that last 25 laps of spain this year? Or the entire 2nd half of monaco this year? I didn't see him lose his cool once.
Anime998877 7 months ago
And he did not simply undercut everybody to death then I would give him credit; as he will have shown he is now able to overtake and race well. Until then, his racecraft is in question.
I do not hate Vettel, I simply hate the ridiculous amount of un-due praise he gets from people.
MetaKnightsKirby 7 months ago
The only real way to settle this is when Vettel, at some point this year (hopefully) fucks up in Quali or gets a penalty and starts from below 5th. I would love to see what he could do from there, he's at the top of his game and is superb but i'm yet to be convinced on his wheel to wheel combat, of which Hamilton is the best in the field. Until he lays that to rest there will always be doubts, but you can't have a go at him for always qualifying on pole, he is one of the best, thats for certain.
xIIJoshIIx 8 months ago
@imnotftw that fact doesn't true. he won 2009 abu dhabi grandpirx, 2010 malaysian grand prix, 2010 brasilian grandpirx and 2011 spanish grand prix after start from other pole than P1
peeroF1 8 months ago 3
@peeroF1 In fairness though, at the 2009 Abu Dhabi grand prix Hamilton retired from the lead and in the 2010 Malaysian and Brazilian grand prix, he took the lead at the first corner.
As for the 2011 Spanish grand prix, that's fair enough.
toodsf1 7 months ago 11
@toodsf1 To be fair too though; the 2009 Abu Dhabi GP; Vettel came out of the 1st pitstop ahead of Hamilton (who had also pitted); and then Lewis who was in 2nd retired
raymondu99 4 months ago
@raymondu99 Huh, I don't remember that. My bad. But perhaps Hamilton was slower because of the brake issue that led to his retirement - I don't know. Like I said I don't remember it that well :)
toodsf1 4 months ago
@toodsf1 Heh it's all right - it's almost 2 years now. But actually there wasn't much of a brake problem; it just looked on the telemetry that there were signs of a brake problem; and McLaren couldn't risk Lewis showing up at a braking zone at 316km/h and having dud brakes
raymondu99 4 months ago
@raymondu99 Yeah......that probably wouldn't end so well lol
toodsf1 4 months ago
@toodsf1 Yeah. Not a good idea to be going 316kph with potentially bad brakes
raymondu99 4 months ago
@peeroF1 WOW! In Brasilian GP he had to overtake Nico Hulkenberg. Almost impossible. And at last year he had the best car, in this year he has got the best car, but he is not the best driver in F1
BeakedMonk50 5 months ago
Fun fact: Sebastian Vettel has never won a race when he hasn't started in pole position.
imnotftw 9 months ago
@imnotftw Well, he has, twice I belive. But both times he started NEAR the front and got into the lead by the first corner; he has NEVER overtaken someone for a race win.
MetaKnightsKirby 9 months ago
@MetaKnightsKirby @imnotftw Abu Dhabi 2009 - Hamilton retired. Malaysian GP 2010 - Strategy. Brasilian GP 2010/Spanish GP 2011 - Good start. Vettel has never won by overtaking
Blindkiller64 8 months ago
@Blindkiller64 Indeed, which is why I frequently compare him to Massa. Except, Massa HAS proven his speed against other fast drivers (Villeneuve, Schumacher, Raikkonen and Alonso are some pretty tough team mates) and HAS proven he can overtake cleanly (although he is just not as capable of overtaking people as most of his rivals). And people say Vettel is the greatest?
MetaKnightsKirby 8 months ago
@MetaKnightsKirby I agree. Vettel is fast and of course he is one of the greatest of the grid, but he only wins with a exceptional car or in wet conditions. I still wondering what would happened if red Bull had selected Mark Webber instead of selecting Vettel for 2010's title...
Blindkiller64 8 months ago
@Blindkiller64 Spanish GP 2011? He wasn't leading after the start! Malaysian GP 2010? He was way faster than anyone else. Why does he need to win by overtaking? Why does it matter? fact is, he does win, he's dominating this years season and it has been completely fair. He's lightning fast in qualifying and most of the time he backs it up with a strong race
dan1994L 8 months ago
@dan1994L He is dominating because of the car, not because of his driving skills. He has never won a championship with the 2nd or third car on the grid as Alonso or Raikkonen did (2005/2007)
Blindkiller64 8 months ago
@Blindkiller64 he's had what, 3 full season's of F1. He had one of the worst cars in 2008, and had some solid races, including a win. In 2009, he had the second fastest car, but engine failures and the dominant brawn made it difficult. 2010 he won, even though his mechanical failures meant it was webber with the best car. Now he is dominating 2011 season.. pretty solid career so far if you ask me
dan1994L 7 months ago
@dan1994L Webber was the second driver of Red Bull and it was demonstrated in Abu Dhabi when Red Bull deceived Ferrari by using Webber. And of course the point you are explaining is okay, but I said that he never won a championship with the 2nd or worse car of the grid...
Blindkiller64 7 months ago
@Blindkiller64 That's not true about Abu Dhabi, Webber was on the radio complaining his tyres had gone off. And yes that's true about the car, but how many seasons has he been in? give it time, he's still got plenty of years left, I'm sure he'll win with a worse car as well (assuming rbr ever make a worse car!!)
dan1994L 7 months ago
@imnotftw considering he takes pole at almost every race it's pretty good that he's won 4 grand prix from positions that aren't pole
dan1994L 8 months ago
@dan1994L Not really, given that as soon as he has to overtake someone he fails to do so (or if he does, he makes a mess of it). Getting the jump of the start line is one thing. Overtaking somebody on track is another.
MetaKnightsKirby 8 months ago
@MetaKnightsKirby clearly, you're an idiot. Firstly, he barely ever gets the jump at the start, he's a crap starter. Secondly, If he starts so many GP from pole, then that leaves barely any gp for him to win from elsewhere. The only reason other drivers have won more from other positions is because they don't start from pole as much as him, giving them more races to be able to win from other positions
dan1994L 8 months ago 2
@dan1994L No. When he IS back in the pack is when he struggles. The reason he isnt back in the pack much is his main selling point; he is certainly very quick. If he is a bad starter, that does nothing to improve his image.
He is like Massa; fast but not so good in wheel to wheel situations.
MetaKnightsKirby 8 months ago
@MetaKnightsKirby My point is; what does it matter about wheel to wheel situations? If he can start from pole all the time and win, then who cares? he can dominate to the championships. Mark Webber has never won from places other than the front row, and his 3 victories from second place were: 2 when the pole sitter got a puncture and 1 when the pole sitter got a drive through. It's just a trend for RBR drivers because their cars are so fast in quali
dan1994L 8 months ago
@dan1994L My point is he is not a great or complete driver if he can only win from the front.
MetaKnightsKirby 8 months ago
@MetaKnightsKirby but he qualifies from the front so much that you don't know that for sure, it's never been tested
dan1994L 8 months ago
@dan1994L What about the times he HAS been back in the pack? Based on these instances, his ability in wheel to wheel combat is one of the weakest in the field.
MetaKnightsKirby 8 months ago
@MetaKnightsKirby He hasn't messed up an overtake so far this year, has he? And don't say he has not overtaken anybody this year. You know that's not true.
UltimateWheelman 7 months ago 2
@UltimateWheelman I dont class overtakes made today using DRS or tires 6 seconds a lap faster as 'overtakes', they require almost no skill at all, good for Vettel as he cant overtake cleanly to save his life.
MetaKnightsKirby 7 months ago
@MetaKnightsKirby There's no such thing as "tires 6 seconds a lap faster", and YOU KNOW THAT. Yes, Vettel has made mistakes, but he has also overtaken cleanly many, many times, with and without DRS. You just refuse to give him any credit for it because you don't like him, which means that if Vettel wins a race from 24th you will give all the credit to the car and none to Vettel, which is what haters do. Bye now.
UltimateWheelman 7 months ago
@UltimateWheelman Really? Tires that have reached the end of their life are about 5-6 seconds a lap slower than fresh ones, which is why it is hard to take F1 seriously anymore. Overtaken many cars cleanly? Nowhere near as many as he should, and face it, DRS overtakes are a joke. Vettel is not a proficient overtaker. If he wins from 24th, and it is a well earned victory (not simply undercutting everybody to death using the Red Bulls demonic speed advantage) [continued]
MetaKnightsKirby 7 months ago
@MetaKnightsKirby Sure, he has had some bad ones from the back, but so has everyone. Drivers get more desperate when they're out of position. What about a race like Silverstone though, Vettel passed plenty of cars on track there. He makes some mistakes, but so do all the drivers on the grid. Fact is, Vettel is the quickest driver out there, and his ability to start from the back doesn't matter, because he dominates every qualifying session. His results this year speak for themselves, true champ
dan1994L 7 months ago
@dan1994L His failure rate in the middle of the pack is about the highest of any driver. His Silverstone charge last year is about his only saving grace, though Massa's in 2007 was far more impressive.
Vettel, the fastest? Based on what? Alonso reckons it is Hamilton, I dont see why Vettel is anything special. He is not the best if he can only win from the front; even if he is the fastest. But he IS driving a car a good 7 tenths to a second faster than anything...
MetaKnightsKirby 7 months ago
@MetaKnightsKirby Based on the amount of poles he has taken, he is the fastest. On one lap runs, surely you can't deny that Vettel is the best in the field. Sure, his race craft isn't where his speed is, but he's a great driver. This season has proven that. And 2008, he won in a Torro Rosso, as well as plenty of other performances well beyond the car's capabilities. I doubt Hamilton is the fastest driver, it used to be his awesome races that saved Hamilton, but now he doesn't even have that
dan1994L 7 months ago 2
@dan1994L I can deny he is the best, because it is complete nonsense. He has had only weak teamates until Webber. By the time Webber had recovered from his injury in 2009, Vettel was the favoured driver. Not a fair comparison. He has had the best car for 2 years now, that does not mean he is the fastest. The 2008 Torro Rosso? Good car, same as the 2008 Red Bull with a better engine, probably as good as the Renault at that stage of the season. Hamilton doesnt need saving [continued]
MetaKnightsKirby 7 months ago
@dan1994L It is Vettel who needs to prove he can be mentioned in the same breath as Hamilton and Alonso, rather than the Massa et al. party behind.
MetaKnightsKirby 7 months ago
@MetaKnightsKirby Vettel is mentioned all around the world by media and F1 fans as 'the next Schumi'. And everyone (with exceptions) knows he will go on to win many, many more championships. To be honest, I reckon Alonso has proven to be the best driver on the grid from what I've seen. But there have been moments where he has been far from that. Whereas Vettel has been more consistant. I don't even like Vettel as a person, I just like his accent and skill.
dan1994L 7 months ago
@dan1994L Media hyperbole at its best. Vettel IS good, and WILL win many championships, but I dont think he is the best nor the fastest, nor is he the most consistent (though more so than when he was younger).
MetaKnightsKirby 7 months ago
@MetaKnightsKirby I only ever said he was the fastest, which I still stand by. The best is probably Alonso, while most consistent, someone like Button or Rosberg.
dan1994L 7 months ago
@dan1994L Lets just agree to disagree on this, though Button IS consistent I certainly agree (unfortunatly, not quite there in terms of speed).
MetaKnightsKirby 7 months ago
@MetaKnightsKirby Yea, when I think of consistency, I think of rarely crashing, hence Button and Rosberg spring to mind... definitely not Schumi!!
dan1994L 7 months ago
@MetaKnightsKirby I said he was the best on one lap runs, the two guys get the same car for qualifying. There have only been a few instances where Vettel has actually been favoured. and it's because he's the better driver. He's proven it time and time again. The 2008 Torro Rosso wasn't as good as the Renault, which was also a rubbish car so it doesn't even matter. Mentioned in the same breath as Hamilton and Alonso? You've got to be kidding (continued)
dan1994L 7 months ago
You speeded up the video
track record is 1:50.257 - Alonso
this video length is 1:36
First I was thinking, man this goes fast
boweowen 9 months ago
@boweowen Vettel's pole lap was a 1:35.585, which is what this video shows.
MetaKnightsKirby 9 months ago
@MetaKnightsKirby :-O
lap record is 1:50.257
this is korea
you are wrong big time dude
boweowen 9 months ago
@boweowen You are wrong. The lap record figure and the pole lap are NOT THE SAME THING. I know the 'lap record', which is set IN THE RACE, is a 1:50.257, but Vettel's pole lap was 15 seconds faster.
'Lap records' are those set in the race itself, qualifying laps dont count towards it.
MetaKnightsKirby 9 months ago
@MetaKnightsKirby shit. 15 sec is much even with the fuel advantage. Its just hard to belive it. 15 sec. but your right. must have been a slow race in korea 2010.
boweowen 9 months ago
@boweowen the korean grand prix was the wettest race of the year, they had to delay the race again and again until it was barely raceable and then they raced on full wets and intermediates until it was dark and nearly impossible to see!!
jin12345678 9 months ago
He is a beast! Specially in sectors 2 and 3
11112213314415516617 10 months ago
look at that grip , amazing in the last part of the circuit wow
evofreak1304 10 months ago
What a stupid circuit. Way too much movement in the 2nd and 3rd sectors. There are only two good places to overtake: at the end of the pit straight, and at the end of the long straight in sector 1. Hopefully Tilke does a better job with Austin, Texas.
F1 returning to the States in 2012!
dfdrox 11 months ago
@dfdrox What? I think it is really really good. At least the overtaking opportunities are aligned well so that they are not only theoretic. The designers knew that in the twisty bits there would be no overtaking, so why bother trying to make an overtaking spot, when it will do nothing but ruin the flow of the circuit. I love the way it looks. A good mix of straight line speed and flatout cornering madness. Great combination, and a great flow in sector 2 and 3.
dude2106 10 months ago
crazy steering movement when hes one handed
IElectronic 1 year ago
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