DawahFilms, help me understand please (Thunderfoot Drama)

[osityan]

oh my precious .....*slap!

[Skindoggiedog]

I had never seen anything from you before this video, and you're quite a nice, likeable guy, and I enjoyed what you had to say.

But would it be rude to suggest that I think that you are, perhaps, primarily attracted to men? Because that was the overwhelming impression I got from watching you. Nothing wrong with that, of course, just something that really stood out.

Anyway, I really liked the video. Keep up the good work!

[losoyo]

@edwardtang1977 I never bombed anyone.. nor said it was justice.. dawah says what he did is justice

[edwardtang1977]

but America's actions/retaliation agianst the middle east is contradictory to what you are trying to say. You should be the one explaining to the middle east why you think bombing them served justice when you aren't even sure which exact country they came from.

[TheViolentBuddha]

its cool your house is just gangsta, no shame in the game.

I feel dawah was in the wrong, and thunder didnt really do any thing I see as bad. So dawah is in truble now, because he brought up family members as well.

[jcrebel18]

I'm not really going to go into ethics, as I don't really approve or endorse what Ali did. However, considering T-f00t declared war against Islam and all Muslims, and his drones contacted the FBI, they're both in defense of Islam (i.e., jihad). However, I can say Muhammad wouldn't necessarily approve of crashing planes into a building.

Nonetheless, T-f00t is nothing but a Machiavellian bastard, however. -_-

[losoyo]

@jcrebel18 Then where does that slippery slope start and/or stop? Is it only retribution if they wrong you proveably and only then if death isn't involved? Can you commit fraud or is it ok if you don't break any of the other rules? Also how do you juxtapose this behavior with the versus Rational Roundtable asked? I am trying to understand.

[losoyo]

@jcrebel18 Then where does that slippery slope start and/or stop? Is it only retribution if they wrong you proveably and only then if death isn't involved? Can you commit fraud or is it ok if you don't break any of the other rules? Also how do you juxtapose this behavior with the versus Rational Roundtable asked? I am trying to understand.

[jcrebel18]

@losoyo I'm not really sure I can answer much beyond what I said in the last comment. But I can send you a link explaining jihad, if you'd like that. I got it after asking a prof about it. ;)

[jfrontier1]

While I am opposed to getting someone fired for stating something that someone else disagrees with at some point we are responsable for what we say. Getting the FBI after this young man is beyond the relm of reason. tfoot should have come out and told his followers not to do this when he first learned of it and yet did not.

Funny how tfoot can ridicule Christians and we do nothing?

I am glad the young man made the video exposing tfoot.

[PeaceInChristAlone]

Great video. Thanks for making it.

[happyjesus123]

Please show some respect for Islam and stop referring to Dawahfilms as a Muslim. He knows nothing about Islam. He is just a little kid pretending to be a Muslim because he thinks it makes him scary. When you perpetuate the idea that Dawah is a Muslim you perpetuate negative stereotypes about Islam. I known Thunderf00t likes to use VenomFangX and Dawah as examples of theists. You remember how unfair RationalRoundTable thinks this is? You are doing the same thing.

[losoyo]

@happyjesus123 I refer to people the way they identify. I don't think I am calling him the pinnacle of islam or anything. The difference is RR disagrees with tfoot referring to them as main stream - not their titles. I call IC66106 a christian, even though I think he hurts perception of the faith. This is no different.

[happyjesus123]

@losoyo There is a difference with my friend IC66106, people know what a Christian is and that he isn't a great example. For many YouTuber's Dawah is the only person they have met who claims to be a Muslim.  The fact that Dawah isn't a Muslim and behaves in an offensive manner causes confusion and can lead to religious bigotry. It would be better to say that Dawah describes himself as a recent convert to Islam. This is more accurate and less offensive.

[TheSpankymonkey]

@happyjesus123 "Please show some respect for Islam" - Why exactly?

[happyjesus123]

@TheSpankymonkey Islam is a big system of religions, almost as complex and divergent as Christianity. Just as there are progressive and Gay Christian organizations these groups exist in Islam. Islam however tends to get stereotyped as a religion of terrorists and goat fuckers which is what attracts people like my friend Dawah. There are Muslims who are terrorists and goat fuckers but this as in Christianity they are a minority.

[losoyo]

@happyjesus123 Are you islamic, or atleast have a great respect for Islam? I've never seen you this compassionate or caring for Christianity.

[happyjesus123]

@losoyo I think religion is generally a bad idea in the modern world. What I don't like is inaccuracy most Americans can understand that the Westboro Baptist Church is not representative of mainstream Christianity. Many understand that EdwardCurrent is a poe Christian. With Islam people don't have an accurate picture which causes unnecessary fear/hatred. There is a lot wrong with Islam and it should be criticized. However, this criticism should not be based on inaccurate information.

[TheSpankymonkey]

@happyjesus123 - I understand that but perhaps my question was misunderstood. Why exactly should it be respected?

[happyjesus123]

@TheSpankymonkey I was using the term "respect" because Losoyo respects religion. A better term would be accurately portray. If people have bad information on Islam they will tend to make bad decision regarding Islam.

[sugelanren]

mating bears kill their mates?

[losoyo]

@sugelanren ...Yea... .. It's a problem... O_O

[sugelanren]

@losoyo It is for the bear that gets eaten :P

[TheNakedAtheist]

First of all I don't even buy Dawahhhh's claim that the FBI contacted him. Secondly if they did it was far more likely the result of something he said in a youtube video than as the result of some random call from a TF viewer. Of course it's possible, or it's possible that a TF viewer directed their attention to his video's, but he has no good reason, other than self serving ones, to think TF directly, or indirectly was involved.

[losoyo]

@TheNakedAtheist I hope he responds..

[happyjesus123]

@TheNakedAtheist If there was any evidence of this Dawah would have presented it. If there was evidence it would also show that the FBI is grossly incompetent. If the FBI is going to investigate people on YouTube they should investigate Nick Bravo at least he is WINNING.

[TheNakedAtheist]

@happyjesus123

Let's give him the benefit of the doubt for a moment, and assume he actually was contacted. You have a young America male who converts to Islam, and goes overseas to study the religion. As much as I abhor profiling that's more than enough to get a knock on the door from the FBI. Or some extremist, oir person with extremists ties might have commented on his videos, or sent him an email. Plenty of things not TF related that could have got their attention.

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[TheNakedAtheist]

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Again giving him the benefit of the doubt, and assuming it happened. I'm certain the FBI would NEVER tell him what prompted their investigation, but blaming TF was a convenient way to play the victim, gain sympathy, and subscribers.

[happyjesus123]

@TheNakedAtheist The alleged "FBI" investigation occurred before Dawah's "learning about Islam" vacation. The reality is anyone looking into Dawah's past is that they will realize that he is an over privileged child with limited social skills. He pretended to be a Christian but people laughed at him so he chose Islam because people were less inclined to laugh.

[TheNakedAtheist]

@happyjesus123

I think "over privileged child with limited social skills" who converts to Islam is part of the FBI's potential American terrorist profile. lol

[calmreason]

I like IronCross and his lambasting of you - it shows the evil of Christianity without any of the window dressing.

IronCross believes in the Bible.

If I were to believe in Mein Kampf, you would call me evil.

Do you see the connection...?

You DON'T believe in the Bible (in full).

You have a set of philosophies and where the Bible corresponds with your view, you say you are a Christian.

That would be like me saying I'm a Nazi because I follow SOME of Mein Kampf, but only the nice parts of it.

[OverusedArgument]

@calmreason Actually, Mein Kapmf is not the (only) basis of the Nazi ideology, just as the Bible is not the sole definer of Christianity. The most usual definition for a Christian is " a person who believes Jesus Christ to have been divine" in which case you can dump quite a bit of the Bible (E.G. Genesis) while remaining a Christian.

As to Nazism, I'd say that a better definition is the 25 point programme, which was created 5 years prior to Mein Kampf, or 3 years before Hitler began writing it

[calmreason]

@OverusedArgument If someone says "This Book is the word of God and I shall follow it literally." and that book contains doctrines that are evil, I stipulate that that person is evil and their philosophy is evil.

How many Christians do this, I've no idea. Losoyo clearly doesn't, and his nemesis IronCross certainly seems to.

When a president says 'We're going to war with brown guys because god told me to' and waves an evil book in the air that people claim was written by god, he sounds evil.

[OverusedArgument]

@calmreason What I meant was to only point out that the Bible being itself the word of God is dull, but the idea that it is not completely the word of God, perchance merely contains words of God, is not insane. Thus whenever one proclaims any set of claims to be divine, their evilness or lack thereof must be judged distinct from the label of their proclaimed religion.

Thus being Christian is not evil, but being biblical literalist is bloody stupid. (I don't mean that you feel Christians evil.)

[OverusedArgument]

@OverusedArgument After reading the comment I made, I have to repeat the last statement in the brackets: I don't mean to imply that you'd consider all Christians evil, my comment was targeted to people who do think so, not directly at you, which makes me commenting specifically on your comment extremely silly. Sorry... x(

[calmreason]

@OverusedArgument Yeah! True, but I'd be happier if TRUE Christians tore up the Bible and declared a separation from it. They are giving a place in society for the likes of Jack Schapp: "People tell me I'm sexist - well you'd better take that up with God, I'm just preaching His word".

Although, I take issue with you on the idea that 'contains words of god is not insane'.

All my sanity requires repeatable and verifiable proof that withstands independent investigation.

[OverusedArgument]

@calmreason 2 points:

1) By saying that the idea 'contains words of god' is not insane I meant that believing in some parts such as Genesis is insane -because- it contradicts reality and we have direct scientific and philosophical and THEOLOGICAL proof of that. Some parts of the Bible, on the other hand, haven't been proven completely impossible. For instance, given the odds of 1 against Graham's number, it'd be possible for Jesus to have walked on water. At least in theory. Thus, not insane.

[OverusedArgument]

@OverusedArgument 2) "True" Christian? I shall ignore that statement and pretend you never said it, as it would be demeaning for a plenty of things for me to respond to it.

[TheDutchDouche]

Hate, vengeance and anger.... Ah yes. The sweetest of emotions. Embrace them, young Jedi. Give yourself to the Dark Side. Feel its power! It shall set you free. :P

[losoyo]

@TheDutchDouche imma feeling the dark side!

[CompleteRationality]

I'm sorry, but I disagree.

1. Thunderf00t kept the playing field on Youtube

2. Thunderf00t didn't contact the FBI, some of his subscribers did

1. DawahFilms himself committed the deed

2. DawahFilms himself did so OUTSIDE of youtube.

I highly look forward to this in FNRT.

[losoyo]

@CompleteRationality I stated that it was him or his subscribers.. His actions lead to it - I saw the vids myself. Beyond that though, is there something else you disagree with or just me calling out Tfoot for what he did?

[CompleteRationality]

@losoyo There is actually a LOT I have to say about this. I'm uploading a response in a couple of hours. To start, the FBI story was a lie. I don't have anything to say about you main point.

[TheNakedAtheist]

@losoyo-I stated that it was him or his subscribers.

Or neither, or it never happened. Unless of course you have some evidence that I'm not privy to? Otherwise you could at least preface what you say with "DF alleges".

[DawahFilms]

When did killing innocent people equate to me targeting the person who committed the injustice? What?

[losoyo]

@DawahFilms I am only equating the two in the mentality and reasoning. Can you helo me understand how one act of justice is different from the other?

[DawahFilms]

When did killing innocent people equate to me targeting the person who committed the injustice? What?

[losoyo]

@DawahFilms Those involved in the attacks call it justice.. Help me understand how you are acting differently from them in premise?

[RuinSonic]

@losoyo Your right it is different, but my guess is the analogy initially made some sense to me and others because your attack on thunderf00t was unrelated to the crime. Let's pretend Thunderf00t had kids and by attacking his finances you really effected innocent people. I guess it's like someone cursing at you and in response you spit in their drink.

I'm still deciding what I think about your action, but I do think people should be allowed to see him for what he is and that part is fair.

[BoethianAcolyte]

@DawahFilms The similarity is in the principle of action. The argument is that terrorism, from a radical perspective, is put in terms of justice, whereas your actions are also put in terms of justice, and you are acting in a position where you are explicitly trying to differentiate yourself from other Muslims - therefore, I think he is asking, shouldn't you take extra measures not to give such an appearance, when that is the stated goal?

[DawahFilms]

When did killing innocent people equate to me targeting the person who committed the injustice? What?

[happyjesus123]

@DawahFilms What injustice did Thunderf00t do a part from hurting your feelings? In your little world your feelings being hurt seems like a grave "injustice". I am sure your mommy and daddy and house keeper agree with you. However, none of these folks are on YouTube to protect little Dawah when he plays his threat game. Threatening people is not very nice. You need to learn to play nice or stop crying when people criticize you.

[opivy07]

@happyjesus123 Thats the problem I been watching Dawah since before the whole "Terrorist thing." He never threatened him, It was tf who said at first to Muslims that your gonna awaken a Sleeping Giant and we're gonna kill you, then Ali basically said if you do that then we Muslims and our non Muslim allies(Christians, or anyone) will protect the people. Although Ali took it the wrong way it was not a threat. When you say someone is a terrorist in public the Feds will be after that person

[losoyo]

@rationalroundtable Jealous

[RationalRoundtable]

Very well said, but can you tell me what is up with that shirt?