@Paintballer2200 Rope, which is quicker but very dangerous, it can catch on fire and rip easily and a firefighter will fall flat on his back and depending on the floor break his spine or severely injure himself.
you slide down the rails because its faster then descending using the rungs. When you have a crew inside that needs to bailout when in a real emergency it can come down to seconds. Bailing out this way allows for multiple firefighters to bailout in a short period of time. How are you going to feel if you use the rungs and the rest of your crew gets injured because they couldn't get onto the ladder in time?
Wow! Block me? Now there's a threat! Anyway, I gotta give you this, I never thought about the out of air scenario, that is a good example. But an explosion?
Sorry to be offended by your comments. Obviously, it is my video, I'm going to be biased to my perspective and you are obviously biased to your own view. I agree that an explosion would not be likely as no one would have time to jump out a window during a backdraft, but still feel there are situations where a firefighter needs to not only get out, but get to the ground very quickly. Thanks for your personal input on the topic.
I recentley had an argument with one of the NFPA /IFSAC standards reps about bailouts in Firefighter Survival. As yet there is no set standard by the two organizations on FF bailouts. I feel they should be integral parts of basic Firefighter training. With that said people need to look at this as a video and not a training exercise. These manouvres are difficult to accomplish unless practiced well and prepared for. See Ottawa Fire Forward Ave Report, where 5 ff's had to bail. Good video though!
@victorofd Go to the Everyonegoeshomealive website and check their initiatives. Remember too that consensus standards are just that..the consensus of many people, some who have tried something some who have not. Usually someone has to come up with the idea tha tis not the standard before other's will review it and believe it is a good practice to implement. As far as standards go though, this training evolution where someone is jumping face forward on a ladder without any fall protection
@victorofd is not wise at all. Any incident that happens here where someone is hurt while training or killed will likely result in a serious judgement against the agency in charge of this evolution. Remember too that death and injury during training is the most preventable form of firefighter death and injury. Again check out the EveryOneGoesHomeAlive website for information about this.
If you don't like the video quit watching it and posting crap on this thread. This technique is meant for worst case scenarios, deteriorating conditions, low/no air, excessive heat. Practicing these maneuvers increases your ability to save your own life. I appreciate your opinion, but if you refuse to see both sides, I can easily erase and block you from this thread and then no one will know how you feel and all you've done is wasted your own time. Happy Firefighting.
Wow The ladder bailout was awsome and perfectly exicuted...the reason they teach to slide the rails is because (and i have seen) and explosion blow a ladder off a building you see in the vid he was out and on the ground from 2 stories up in 3 seconds...any FIREFIGHTER would rather break his legs then be blown to bits
There is absolutely no reason for sliding down the ladder like that once you are out of the building. If you're out of the building, you are out of harms way. Thank you for not breaking your f@#king neck and adding another statistic to the usfa's reports.
We are getting ready to implement this type of rope bailout feature in our dept. Some of our guys already bought their own set up from a fire catalog. Lots of good "bailout" vids out there, but I really like this one.
just an FYI, your not supposed to be walking down the building, this is not repelling.If you slip and land on ur back, that SCBA will dig right into the back of your spine..
Yeah I know, I totally agree. I had never done a rope bailout before and was really getting more a feel for the device than demonstrating a proper technique.
@dentaldonkey Not necessarily with the new SCBA lumbar supports and padding, the SCBA's force would be spread out over several square ft. of surface area. Compare that to what will happen to your body if you are expose to 800 degree heat for 40 seconds, including your lungs. You will most likely not survive the heat but the injury to your back you have a better chance or surviving.
what descender are you using and anchor device Crosby, carabiner or cmc style hook
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alhmd22 1 year ago
What did the last Firefighter use to bailout? it seemed quick and effective, safer then the ladder too
Paintballer2200 1 year ago
@Paintballer2200 Rope, which is quicker but very dangerous, it can catch on fire and rip easily and a firefighter will fall flat on his back and depending on the floor break his spine or severely injure himself.
Dsam310 7 months ago
you slide down the rails because its faster then descending using the rungs. When you have a crew inside that needs to bailout when in a real emergency it can come down to seconds. Bailing out this way allows for multiple firefighters to bailout in a short period of time. How are you going to feel if you use the rungs and the rest of your crew gets injured because they couldn't get onto the ladder in time?
4F3D1E 1 year ago
Wow! Block me? Now there's a threat! Anyway, I gotta give you this, I never thought about the out of air scenario, that is a good example. But an explosion?
newt1972 1 year ago
Sorry to be offended by your comments. Obviously, it is my video, I'm going to be biased to my perspective and you are obviously biased to your own view. I agree that an explosion would not be likely as no one would have time to jump out a window during a backdraft, but still feel there are situations where a firefighter needs to not only get out, but get to the ground very quickly. Thanks for your personal input on the topic.
jtkammerud 1 year ago
I recentley had an argument with one of the NFPA /IFSAC standards reps about bailouts in Firefighter Survival. As yet there is no set standard by the two organizations on FF bailouts. I feel they should be integral parts of basic Firefighter training. With that said people need to look at this as a video and not a training exercise. These manouvres are difficult to accomplish unless practiced well and prepared for. See Ottawa Fire Forward Ave Report, where 5 ff's had to bail. Good video though!
victorofd 1 year ago
@victorofd Go to the Everyonegoeshomealive website and check their initiatives. Remember too that consensus standards are just that..the consensus of many people, some who have tried something some who have not. Usually someone has to come up with the idea tha tis not the standard before other's will review it and believe it is a good practice to implement. As far as standards go though, this training evolution where someone is jumping face forward on a ladder without any fall protection
OliviaSST 1 year ago
@victorofd is not wise at all. Any incident that happens here where someone is hurt while training or killed will likely result in a serious judgement against the agency in charge of this evolution. Remember too that death and injury during training is the most preventable form of firefighter death and injury. Again check out the EveryOneGoesHomeAlive website for information about this.
OliviaSST 1 year ago
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newt1972 1 year ago
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newt1972 1 year ago
If you don't like the video quit watching it and posting crap on this thread. This technique is meant for worst case scenarios, deteriorating conditions, low/no air, excessive heat. Practicing these maneuvers increases your ability to save your own life. I appreciate your opinion, but if you refuse to see both sides, I can easily erase and block you from this thread and then no one will know how you feel and all you've done is wasted your own time. Happy Firefighting.
jtkammerud 1 year ago
WELL DONE!!!!
firefighterffd138 2 years ago
looks like fun haha
bossman380 2 years ago
Wow The ladder bailout was awsome and perfectly exicuted...the reason they teach to slide the rails is because (and i have seen) and explosion blow a ladder off a building you see in the vid he was out and on the ground from 2 stories up in 3 seconds...any FIREFIGHTER would rather break his legs then be blown to bits
evfdunit50 2 years ago
I didnt safe unsafe. I said unnesessary. And the reason for my comment was that the rungs are meant to descend the ladder, not the rails.
newt1972 2 years ago
There is absolutely no reason for sliding down the ladder like that once you are out of the building. If you're out of the building, you are out of harms way. Thank you for not breaking your f@#king neck and adding another statistic to the usfa's reports.
newt1972 2 years ago
New Glarus Wisconsin?
Firemedic712 2 years ago
wow these guys are good
wfd1234567 2 years ago
We are getting ready to implement this type of rope bailout feature in our dept. Some of our guys already bought their own set up from a fire catalog. Lots of good "bailout" vids out there, but I really like this one.
SPCLPONY 3 years ago
we have that same gear
cougargarey 3 years ago
just an FYI, your not supposed to be walking down the building, this is not repelling.If you slip and land on ur back, that SCBA will dig right into the back of your spine..
dentaldonkey 3 years ago 2
good thought.
stickyballz 3 years ago
yeah great point
ofd39 3 years ago
@dentaldonkey
Yeah I know, I totally agree. I had never done a rope bailout before and was really getting more a feel for the device than demonstrating a proper technique.
jtkammerud 1 year ago
@dentaldonkey Not necessarily with the new SCBA lumbar supports and padding, the SCBA's force would be spread out over several square ft. of surface area. Compare that to what will happen to your body if you are expose to 800 degree heat for 40 seconds, including your lungs. You will most likely not survive the heat but the injury to your back you have a better chance or surviving.
OliviaSST 1 year ago
cool
TFirebird33 3 years ago