Does the WBTS have a separate blood policy for the Jehovah's Witnesses in Bulgaria?

[james211979]

@anissueofursincerity, I know what the flock book says, I have a copy of that too, but there are exceptions in Bulgaria.

[Ni1234ckA]

IT SEEMS THAT THEY HAVE BECOME MASTERN I N DECEIVING JUST LIKE THEIR OWN MASTER:SATAN THE DEVIL. THE REAL WATCHTOWER GOD.

[james211979]

The JW stance on blood transfusions. If you take one and live, you will die at armageddon, If you don't take one, you will die, so wither way you are dead. Like a medieval trial by ordeal. You get tied up and thrown into a river. If you die, you are not a witch, if you survive you are not a witch so you are burned to death.

[anissueofursincerity]

@james211979

I just now played this vid.

The latest Flock Book, 201o, states, in the section about criteria for disfellowshipping and disassociation, that one who unrepentantly accepts blood is to be regarded as having disassociated himself.

A member who accepts blood can be labeled as disassociated.

This is fact.

This is a religious sanction for taking blood.

[faithbyworks7]

Now you Can take the video off like you promise! If you don't then all you will have is excuses! I'm pretty sure you will leave the video on. With all the effort into your editing, there is an incentive.

[middleman777]

@faithbyworks7

Why do I need to take the video off? You have refuted anything...



[faithbyworks7]

@middleman777 Ok. Let's learn how to read this. I see how you are looking at it and that's find. Now the first document you presented it by you meaning it's an individual choice without consequence. Now that is wrong! You answered your own question in the with the first acknowledgement. Bulgarian government has claim it to be a "public threat" because of what we believe. Well the first document is intended to show that a witness has a right to make a decision. Continued.........

[faithbyworks7]

@middleman777 It doesn't mean that there is no consequence of action taken in the congregation. Since it's concern is the right to register then it's appropiate to persuade and state the logic that it's ok for a witness to make the decision. The next document does not contradict at all. It's just more elaborative concerning our bible standpoint and non-compromising result. Your question was why mention it here and not the press release? Continue........

[faithbyworks7]

@middleman777 Why not mention that? Obviously the subject matter was not what will happen if one goes against the bible standard, the subject was about having the rights for a witness to have an OPTION! You get it now? There is no contradiction. The both letters are accordingly to who and what it's addressing. All documents mention that its an individual choice. In other words, we are not forcing anything on anyone. Trust me. The European Commission is fully aware of disfellowshipping.

[faithbyworks7]

@middleman777 If they were not aware then they would not considered it a "public threat". As you can see what happened during the memorial this year in Bulgaria on youtube. We have alot of persecution. So the Watchtower has to be careful how they relate the message so that the brothers and sisters have their right to choose the right way by not having Blood transfusions. Trust me. I know Bulgarian brothers and there is no change in procedures. I would have known. Now you can take down the video

[middleman777]

@faithbyworks7

Did you go to the websites and do some research? It's very apparent that you haven't...

[faithbyworks7]

Yes the last letter states that there is a consequence for an action. I like how you put the red lettering "SOme"! Yes some "depending if its a decision by the patient or if it was forced on a patient". Of course if its forced then that person is not disfellowshipped. Just like rape. Yes! It's fornication but it was forced upon. When you speak of our teachings, realize that you have to take your study aid and text book to school to understand = Wt + Bible to Kingdom Hall!

[faithbyworks7]

This video doesn't make sense. I get what you are saying but it shows that you have misunderstood it completely. There is no difference in our teaching in any country. Letter you shown earlier states that a witness has a right to make a medical decision. This is not supporting blood transfusions as an option. It's for the decision to not have a transfusion. Bulgaria has a big issue against the refusal so this for our right to say no. Every country is not the United States.

[middleman777]

@faithbyworks7

Simple question, can any JW get a blood transfusion and still be in good standing or is there consequences for such action?

[faithbyworks7]

@middleman777 I just answered the questioned. read the comment again.

[middleman777]

@faithbyworks7

Make sure to hit the reply button so I see your response. Sorry I missed your answer. Take care friend.

[middleman777]

@faithbyworks7

Again, can any JW get a blood transfusion and still be in good standing or is there consequences for such action?

A. Yes

OR

B. No

[faithbyworks7]

@middleman777 Are you going to pull out a 1958 article compared to a 1961? Just kidding. No! A person cannot be in good standing. I just said that in my comment. This is getting embarrassing.

[middleman777]

@faithbyworks7

"No! A person cannot be in good standing."

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Then why did the Bulgarian Bethel say that "each individual has the freedom to choose the type of medical treatment he receives"? That is not true if they get repercussions for a transfusion. Right? Does that sound like "freedom to choose"?

[middleman777]

@faithbyworks7

"This is getting embarrassing."

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Agreed, the truth is obvious. Bethel lied...

[faithbyworks7]

@middleman777 Hey! Middleman! Do you have overseers or bishops in your congregation? (1tim chapter 3) I notice in one comment you mentioned hell. You should research Acts 2: 27 and Psalms 16:10 which its quoted from. Add Matthew 5:30 and see why Sheol, Hades and Gehenna are rendered as hell! When I wasn't in religion and doing independent study. I wondered why? Just saying

[middleman777]

@faithbyworks7

I see that you erased my comment, keep avoiding my question and are diverting direction with off topic ones. Apparently you don't want a real discussion to get to the bottom of this issue. Please answer my question then we can address other issue. Thanks in advance!

[jameslechef]

stupid and cheap !!

[middleman777]

@jameslechef

Care to share why?

[MisterSlimm]

"congregations have never been instructed to disfellowship those who voluntarily take blood transfusions or approve them." - The Watchtower 1958 8/1 page 478.

[middleman777]

@MisterSlimm

Classic double talk...

[MisterSlimm]

@middleman777 You may consider that a cleverly worded statement but it still shows that the official blood policy is the same worldwide.

[middleman777]

@MisterSlimm

Not according to the documents.

[TheJwhistory]

Many JW's hide in the dark of not wanting to know the true history of the organization. This is an intellectual dishonesty. Do you know about Charles Taze Russell's " bible in stone" the Great Pyramid of GAZA? Or the 1928 return of the prophets and the house the JW's built for them?

[middleman777]

@TheJwhistory

Giza, yes. Beth Sarim and Beth Shan in San Diego, yes. The Deed was requested on December 24th, 1929.

[tasteitt]

Hi. Im bulgarian, and I just found this today, and My grandma recently became JW. And I just want to express my HUGE GRATITUDE to you, and all the other that put this information online. My grandma has been stricken with great guilt for previously in her life accept Bloodt'fusions. And I too worried for her future (now that she is part of JW) but this video has melted some of that fear. and u truly have made a difference in at least 2 people lives. Thx

[lovelough]

This video makes me smile. :)

For how long you people should talk and write like that about JW? Do not you feel bored? :)

[middleman777]

To put it blunt, I don't want any to perish or go to the Hell that Jesus warned us so much about. I am only a messenger.

Blessings...

[midnightowl1128]

5 stars; very informative video!! More proof that the WBTS is 2-faced!

[OGmoondog6b9]

Another AWESOME video! VERY informative!! This really makes one question the validity and trustworthiness of the Watchtower's information and if they can be trusted to inform their members of what they are REALLY doing.

[WatercolorJournal]

Great video, very informative. My only suggestion would be to turn the volume up a little bit.

[happie2befree]

actually this wouldn't be the first time the society has a double standard according to where a person lives...back in the 60's the Witnesses in Malawi were being persecuted because the organization told the witnesses there that buying a party card would be a violation of their Christian neutrality and essentially to God, therefore they were abused and beaten badly (among other things) however the Mexican Witnesses were allowed to have the "Identity Cartilla (certificate) for Military Service

[happie2befree]

witnesses in Mexico actually addressed the issue with the society because the brothers had become accustomed to bribing the officials in order to receive their Identity Cartilla without having to attend the Year long Military training and the society told them it was ok..I have a copy of the document from the Society to the Mexican Brothers and the letter with the complete opposite info to the Brothers in Malawi..It IS CRAZY!!!! Apparently they can choose who certain practices are required for

[lovelough]

middleman777

Why do you think only you can read JW's press release? :) Why do you think JW's in Bulgaria can't realise what you "guessing" here? :) Middle man, I can see very clearly that you are indeed in middle spiritualy. - Revelation 3:15,16.

[dadof2lilqueens]

hey lovelough...I am a witness and I read it very clearly . How can middleman be "guessing" of what the Society has written and published. Its seems like straight english grammer to me . Give him credit for showing this to us . We all need to look into this .

[bandaidmafia]

Hey MiddleMan777, have you discussed this policy exemption with any JWs? How do they explain it?

[middleman777]

Mafia,

I have brought this up to a few JW's that I know in real life but they don't know anything about it. I haven't heard a rebuttal from any on this. As you can see, none of the JW's on here seem to try either.

Take care now...

[BornAgainUmustbe]

Interesting..

[21crosscheck21]

Great video Mark.... It is tragic that people are dying over this hypocritical misinterpretation of scripture.

[stronglogos]

Brother stuck this on one of my playlist thanks 5 star video God bless you.

[clnmyjts]

I might be able to shead some light on this..

Before I left the org..in 2005 ( note I know this is a 1997 letter )

When some is removed from association with the congergation they no longer term it as disfellowshipped.

The wording they use to announce the so called wrong doer is now..

for example; John Doe is no longer one of Jehovahs witnesses.

You can see how this works in harmany with their letter ( their free will choice of religion )

[tonyschmoeredux]

What is the Bulgarian word for 'sanction'?

Is this vid intended as an expose', a criticism? Is the Bulgaria govrnmnt unsatisfied (I infer you are) with WTS policy? Certainly Bulgaria officials kno what you kno yet it appears they got what they wanted. It's unclear what is your exact point. Perhaps if you'd commit to an unambiguous statemnt or assertion it would conceivably be possible to check you for accuracy as you invited. Otherwise all it says is you don't like the WTS.

[middleman777]

tony,

would you agree that Jehovah's Witnesses have the "freedom to choose" (according to the WBTS) their own medical treatment, INCLUDING blood transfusions? Once you answer this, then we can move on here.

Take care now and I look forward to hearing back from you.

[middleman777]

Tony,

I'll take your absence and lack of response to my question as an "I don't know" answer. Until you return, I assume that you would prefer to discuss something that your Society has an "answer book" for. Now, wanna debate the Trinity? Haha just joking have a great day now!

Blessings...

[kogamisamurai]

@middleman777 it so doesnt matter what evidence any of us have against the wts. In my eyes the average rank an file jw is responsible for their own actions...i believe the jws are a cult and their members choose to be in it. They are not brainwashed..they choose stupidity. Even if Jah himself came down today and told JWs the wtbts isnt "his"....they would STILL follow. Its the perverbial abused wife situation.....she will always go back for more abuse.

[exjw44288]

It seems the WB&TS doesn't let its "yes mean yes" and "no mean no".

[1955annemarie]

@exjw44288 Looks like another very crucial piece of information that the deceived and loyal-to-the-Watchtower Jehovah's Witness will never know...

[nibornagrom]

Time to beat the dead horse again!

[exjw44288]

Are you referring to all the jws who died from lack of a blood transfusion?

[middleman777]

nibornagrom,

it's only a dead horse to those that have ridden it before. Some folks have yet to put a quarter in and give it a whirl lol.

Your change please...

[nathanaelstacy1]

What's more, nibornagrom, until the Society either officially retracts its agreement with the Bulgarian authorities, and truthfully tells them that Witnesses WILL be df'd for taking blood, or else changes their blood policy worldwide to fit what they told the Bulgarians, it can never be a dead horse, because it's a continuing situation.

[LuciousVBogeymanProd]

superb!! Keep doin what you're doin.

[TiredOfjwHypocrites]

They have policies for almost every group. Back in the 1960s and 1970s it was forbidden by the wbts for any of its members to vote or serve in any capacity in the military. In Malawi jw's were raped and even burned to death for not getting a political party card. But in Mexico it was ok for the brothers to rcv a card LYING about military service to avoid persecution.

[middleman777]

Hey bro what's happening? That's very true what you are saying...unfortunately.

Blessings...

[THEBEREANZ]

AGREEMENT RESPONSE: to TiredOfjwHypocrites

I hit up my dad about what the JW's in Mexico did in regards to their obligation in applying for the famous "cartilla militar" . He gave me the classic "under the table" hand gesture while trying to justify the crooks in Brooklyn! Being Hispanic and Growing up in the late seventies while all this crap was happening really hits home!