Virgil's in a league of his own, people try and protest this by mentioning other drummers who have supposedly faster kick drumming, but i've seen them all and no-one has the sheer power and definition on single/doubles/polyrythms that virgil has. on his modern drummer performance in the late 90's virgil played bizzare patterns like inverted doubles and double stoke quintuplets when the world didn't even know about double strokes. Most other "fast" drummers are monotonous and relentlessly boring
@matsyendranath not to mention the articulations the dynamics of his double bass playing the flawless control he has over his feet and the rest of his limbs ... I have yet to hear a recording where there's more than one volume of double bass playing
FFS guys.... he's of the top 5 in terms of his doubles on double bass drumming. And his single stroke roll as seen here, is as fast as you will ever see anyone do it. In fact, i've never seen a single stroke roll executed so hard (rimshots if you pay attention) or fast.
i sent you a video response....i gotta single stroke roll for ya!!...lol i know yours is with your feet...but i know you can do a better job than that with your hands!...oh well chk it out anyway!
This man is my ever-loving hero on drums along with Steve "You can't do this" Smith and Dave I'll pound your head into submission" Weckl.
Now, time to go lube myself up with some frozen yogurt and cricket larva and slide some clothespins up me arse because what else is left after seeing this machine!!!
posted this vid...i sent you a vid response...its a 66 second single stroke roll...chk it out...not double stroke but a 66 second single stroke roll....let me know what you think ; )
The hands were MUCH faster than the feet. It's kind of funny that he's recognized a lot for having fast feet but he's really not at all in comparison to Roddy, Kollias, etc. AMAZING hands though and all around performance is phenomenal, one of the best drum soloists alive!
It's not so much the speed of his feet, but what he does with them. He was the first to really play around with double stroke rolls with the feet and all the complex patterns he does. You should check out his new book, it's awesome!!
You're right, he was and is a great contributor to rudimental bass drum patterns within drum performances. I'm just sorta responding to his performance in this video. He was asked to do single strokes and his hands simply blew away his feet speed.
Fair enough, I just don't think it's a big deal at all :). I would say it's simply a case that he's never felt the need to spend the time on getting his feet to death metal speed levels. I figure, if he needed to he would have done so. I have a feeling he's never really developed his double stroke roll with his feet beyond 190-200 but that's just me going from what others have said.
Well, yeah, he has the right to practice whatever aspects he wants to. So he has become known for having some of the fastest hands which is justified. I just say that people are being misinformed if they think that Virgil is among the top foot drummers. And many do think that.
That's an unfair categorisation, I would say Virgil isn't one of the fastest with his feet, but he's definitely the one person who has moved far above and beyond everyone else with the things he is capable of doing with his feet.
We'll just have to disagree on that. I think he is well established and able to play most of what other drummers are playing but there is nothing he plays with his feet that at least a good number of other drummers couldn't play as well.
I am inclined to disagree, but each to his own, I suppose ;).
Incidentally, could you give me some names of drummers with Virgil's level of articulation and creativity? I'm interested in checking them out. Seriously. I'm not being sarcastic or anything I am truly interested :)
Thats simply not true. Check out Mike "The Machine" Mallais who plays a lot faster than this with only downstrokes. Thats why he has the world record for downstrokes.
No, virgil cant play nearly as fast as Mike Mallais with feet. And thats just talking about sheer speed. Thats a rather naive statement as there is a good handful of foot specialists who can completely school Donati in that specific area.
You missed what I said, I'm talking about stroke definition in a practicle sense. Not I can hear the water dripping in the sink over the bass drum strokes.
You can't even begin to say that Mike Mallais could play in a band without the use of triggers at 200bpm. "practicle" uses not WFD records.
Maybe at 270 bpm he would need triggers but come on 200? He along with quite a few others could play that fast at full volume for a few minutes straight using downstrokes. And using a non-downstroke technique, like Virgil with his double-strokes you could play full volume at 200 bpm for about5 - 10 minutes straight. 200 bpm is the beginning for a real foot drummer, not the end.
Actually, hes taking it a little easy these days, hes only practice like 2-4 hours, anbd "if he got feels he wants to" he can play some piano aswell....he said this in an interview I read.
His singles on his hands are incredible - he can change the dynamic level without slowing down, which not many drummers can do. I've seen Buddy Rich play singles fast with great endurance, but never as loud and clean as Donati. Not saying anyone is better; just making a point for all the BR lovers out there - this is different and still very very good.
virgil himself said he is NOT a speed freak..and I THINK
and he is abit bored practicing perfect singles with his feet because time goes on and there are many undiscovered rhythms and he wants to invest time to push the limits of drumming further.polyrhythms etc...let virgil do his job..he will leave us younger generations a BIG PATH to follow and expand! cheers.
He's obviously no where near the fastest. His technique,granted,is different.He employs a different method in playing double bass,mostly LLRR from what i see.What makes some1 a great double bass drummer and who decided so?I prefer derek roddy,romain goulon or even joeys DOUBLE BASS PLAYING to virgils.Some of virgils vids seem as though hes playing quite sloppy double bass.
virgil donati foot technique is flawless and hes consider as one of the fastest doubles bass of all time jason bittner even say it that hes no where near him
This video shows that virgils double bass can be flawed, I think it verges on slightly sloppy or the acoustics are bad.Bittner has no real weight in the drum scene and of course hes no where near him, jason isnt that great.
So you are putting emphasis on fastest?k, find that fastest drum vid of virgils double bass and i'll find you the fastest double bass and we can compare.
Again, is it speed that makes someone a great double bassist? And bittner, please,you may as well throw lars in there
no its not speed its how felxable he is when he play double bass.hes extremely musical in everysong.not like some drummers the use double bass to do rolls like me. i would like to get at lease near virgil donati when it comes to double bass but not to close
That is a very reasonable statement. I disagree, but you've clearly provided us with an opinion here. I would disagree very strongly that he's "sloppy"... he takes the cake in the "clean bass drum" department. In my opinion he has cleaner sounding feet that Lang...but keep in mind he's NEVER using triggers.
Virgil's double bass playing is mostly used in syncropated phrases that can be quite insane, and (from my experience) much harder to control that just playing fast rolls.
I'm sure Roddy's never played flams (something I've seen Virgil incorporate very effectively with the feet).. but I'm talking about broken singles, and syncropated patterns, tuplets, etc...Virgil has the same control with his feet that most people strive for with their hands.
Speed is much easier to practice, though I agree that doesn't mean LESS practice. Sure, it takes a very long time to develop, but much like body building, it's "trained" rather than practiced...for the most part I mean
Singles,patterns,tuplets- when you listen to a drum solo or song do you find out if the double bass strokes were played in parradidles or singles to enhance the song? Its still "dugah dugah" accept one is accented and one isnt.
Imagine he played the strokes in singles, it would essentially be the same,without accents(the only purpose of parradidling on double bass as far as i can see)
Other than the odd interesting beat this guy i find somewhat over hyped.
so, you mean you can't find any difference in hearing him playing just 16th singles from playing 3-5-7-9 stroke rolls, flam accents, flam fives or whatever sick rudiment he can think of? even when he plays the inverted double stroke roll, it stll has a different feel and accent pattern than that of continous singles! and he can double stroke up to 220-230 with extreme clarity, i've seen it live, and can hold it for as long as he likes, clean and loud as hell doubles.. to say a drummer
like virgil who is one of the most proficient drummers both on hands and feet, to call him over hyped, well i think it's wrong.. playing singles at 270, like george kollias is certainly hard, but is playing all the rudiments you can think of with your feet, easier? and yes, virgil uses the different rudiments he can apply with his feet within songs, and it sounds very interesting.. for me, much more interesting than what most drummers do with the kick, which is playing fast singles all the time
There is one huge difference between them. Buddy received no formal drum instruction and he also never admitted to practicing, claiming to play the drums only during performances... Virgil Donati practice almost all time when he isn't sleep...
You cant be a great player and not practise. More time equals more ability.Buddy Rich put time and effort into the instrument otherwise he would be horrible player.LOL
Agreed. Why do people bother comparing drummers to other drummers? They're all different people, if they all sounded the same and did the same things then we'd all be bored within a week. The most important thing about drumming is playing musically and putting your spirit into the music to make it something special.
"Why do people bother comparing drummers to other drummers? They're all different people,"
Each drummer is as unique as their personality.
Complexity gets old fast!I need to hear Phil Rudd as well as Dave Weckl. VD is just plain rediculous P E R I O D . Don't compare it's just Usless ego and Inferiotity- baby shit!
All the drummer greats didn't / don't even think this way !
Cool! An argument about Buddy vs. Virgil.... Hmmm, let's see. I am not about to read all of the posts on this, I will just say this: 99% of the drummers out there (INCLUDING myself) will never be able to play like either of them. Our jaws drop and our inspiration rises when we hear them. This is because we are musicians. Musicians appreciate art. Buddy and Virgil create art. Let's leave it at that and enjoy the process of drumming and celebrate everyone's victories along the way.
He has some serious chops. like WOW. All this buddy Rich stuff is dumb. I prefer Buddy to Virgil as well. but you don;t have to try to prove anything.
The people who do can only shake their heads. I'm the dummy who actually attempted to make you realize this a number of times. Yet another losing battle. Just chill and enjoy art. Nobody cares or is impressed that you like Buddy.
Another example is the "evidence" you keep insisting you've provided. You simply don't understand how insignificant and pointless it is to issue "evidence" on such a subjective topic...Attempting to prove how superior Buddy Rich is to Virgil is a losing battle, yet you simply don't understand this concept.
empty statements? Like Virgil singles sound like "shit" compared to Dirkity Dirk, Dirk, Dirk..Just another example of how helpless it is to actually carry a conversation on with you. You've proven on a number of sites. Everyone attempts to let you realize how misguided you are, yet you want to hear none of it.
To actually believe any conclusions as to "what's better" can be drawn by the to clips you've chosen to compare completely reveals just how helplessly ignorant you are.
Dude, you seriously do have problems. You have to understand, the people who actually DO know something about percussion know you have no idea what you're talking about. Stop the acting, and let the grown ups talk.
Well, hehe, can I state that you're just trolling and having a good laugh? Or are you really going to enter the discussion? Since the very first word, I've been presenting you with arguments and indications/evidences of my statements. What Mr. Troll has been doing? "Oh, you have no idea of what you're talking about".
When a kid hides himself behind empty and loose statements like these, I can only conclude that you're a troll, hiding behind empty phrases and having no discourse abilities, whatsoever. I'm yet to read anything usefull and direct-to-the-point coming from you rather than "dude, you have no idea of what you're talking about". Only a totally clueness nerd would really repeat these silly things over and over again and run away from the objective/direct-to-the-point discussion... too bad.
:( If you happen really feel like you're ready to participate into the discussion, please tell me. I'm not coming nearby again to read empty things like "dude, you have no idea at all" again. Go burn your free-time with someone else.
It's tough to ever challenge Buddy's legacy, but I feel most of it comes from his sheer talent. But he only really did one thing and/or style of drumming, and if you've heard one Buddy solo you kind of have a general idea of what he did.
It's hard to say what Buddy could've done with the double bass or the multi-layered polyrhythms that you hear in today's players like Virgil. Would he of even had the endurance?
Oh, and if you were listening, he was going to demonstrate some grooving, but the heckler made a funny joke about him demonstrating the single stroke roll instead. So, playing along, he happily accepted. But why waste time jacking off on stage, proving shit the whole drumming community already knows about? Buddy is a legend, that goes without saying. But Virgil is nothing short of amazing, stop trying to down his chops, and give him his props. =]
amen to that mate.. i can't underestand these rediculous comparings of buddy VS the rest of the freak drummers.. why should everyone try to surpass buddy rich? i mean, he certainly was/is a legent but enough already! the technical abilities of today's freak drummers surpass AS A WHOLE those of buddy rich, in my humble oppinion. the fact that virgil can't do what buddy did, doesn't mean that buddy COULD do what virgil does today, if he lived.. they are just different styles!
That is absolutely amazing. So much control and speed on him. And no, his hand didn't "die" if you knew your shit, you would know that he positioned his left hand lower to use his fingers more, dumbass. Secondly, Virgil has so much technical ability stacked on him, he could hold that speed 3x times over and not break a sweat.
Alright look, I've never been into the menotinous and extremely idiotic arguements on this site. Infact, most of the time when I see it happen, I just shake my head and close the window. But this I couldn't. Okay, I've had private one-on-one sessions with Virgil, multiple times, over my house, personally to explain, in-depth, his hand & foot technique, metric modulation, advanced polyrhythmic concepts etc. and how he came to develop all of it.
Amoung the various rudiments I've seen him display on the kit in uncanny ways, I've also seen him demonstrate his singles in person, hands and feet. He uses his wrist at slower tempos but as he gradually gets faster, after a certain point, it's completely fingers. And I swear to you, this man can hold them effortlessly for extended periods of time.
Now have I ever met buddy? No. But I can tell you, Virgil is one of those players who has literally dedicated his life to his craft. Even at 50+ years old, he has no kids, no family, his life essentially is drums.Just talking with him and seeing him in action made me totally realise, he probably knows just about everything there is to know about drumming. Yeah, it's that crazy man.
So go ahead and slam me with your silly, middle-school comebacks and your narrow-minded ignorant assumptions about players you have most likely never met in your life. So as I stated before: Virgil is absolutely amazing. I will say this though, and this goes for all musicians, never down another mans chops, ever. No matter how bad or good you think he or she is.
A musician is a got damn musician and should be respected as one. Not to make it out the be indie 500. One thing buddy always had, was immense respect for talented indiviuals who took their music and craft, seriously. And Virgil has gone above and beyond doing so. Buddy is a legendary musician, never, ever to be forgotten. Virgil is an amazing musician and a trail blazing pioneer.
Both deserve respect and props for their chops, whatever it may be. Now, let this silly, ignorant arguement, lay to rest and just sit back and admire what talent and love these two men have and (had) and use it to fuel us to learn and pick up where they left of huh?? That's all I've got to say on this. I'm out. =] P.S.(Yeah, I had to log into my friends account just to finish what I had to say, so don't get confused by the different user name.) =P
well, you are quite wrong on that one mate.. you know, virgil started playing double bass 20 years ago, but plays drums from the age of 3, so he obviously did have MUCH time to work on his hands before he worked his double bass (he is 46 now, do the math and you're there). also, he doesn't seem to use his fingers here but, does it really matter? not using his fingers here and in 2-3 other videos, means that he doesn't know how to use them?
what you use and what you don't use doesn't mean very much mate, it's what you feel and listen to, that really counts.. being able to do single strokes at 260bpm with that power and control, i'd say he's good.. and his strong point is that he doesn't have a strong point actually! his hands are powerful, with amazing control and speed, his footwork is awesome, and his ease in executing polyrythms is uncanny.. in other words, he has it all, either we like it or not..
and certainly being your favorite doesn't mean that he works magic, just like as if you don't like his style, it doesn't mean that he is a bad drummer.. there CAN'T be a bad drummer among all these monsters, all of them are divine, it's just a matter of personal preferance.. it's who you like and who you dislike, it's not who's good and who's bad.. there is no BAD among them!
you fucking asshat, you have NO IDEA what you're talking about
fuck, i've only been drumming for a bit over a year and a half, but i even i know that you get faster, you need finger control, that's why virgil lowered his left hand, to make it easier to hit the drum with his fingers
And with this you have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that you honestly have no clue as to what you're talking about man. Seriously, I think you may have problems.
"And with thid you have proven beyond a shadown of doubt that I honestly know more about Virgil and his double strokes' proficiency and rather weak single stroke one than you" - thats how it should be read.
Idiots like you always look for something to criticise, why don't you go pretend that you're not a loser instead of coming onto YouTube and criticising people whose ability you'll never come close to?
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This is actually funny because I can actually single stroke FASTER than Virgil (I've posted a video of myself doing so), and that was exactly the main point of my criticism (if you have any doubt, download both videos and slow them down and count all the single strokes per second). Almost everything I play is not just fast but also loud/powerful and accurate - rudiments-wise. So now, go fuck yourself with a knife. Thank you.
So what? They're just single strokes. Just because you can play singles at 270 doesn't mean you can play more complex patterns than someone who can only do singles at 230. Drumming isn't all about speed. Ignorant little boy.
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No, you're running away from the main topic. You clearly said that I would "never come close to" Virgil when I was talking to his relative single strokes' non-proficiency. Don't run away from the real discussion, you fool. And no, I'm not an "ignorant little boy", YOU are. You should take more care of your own words. A 23-year-old coward with no life talking to me like an idiotic father would to his son. That made my day. I'm all about complex rudiments.
Virgil is definitely a great rudiment player especially for playing traditional grip.However no one cares who is a better rudiment player and in fact most of the greatest snare drum players are not even drumset players.There are many things that make a good drummer and how quick you can play rudiments does not decide how good of a drummer you are.Drumming is definitely not a physical sport and there is a lot more to drumming then rudiments.
I dont think anyone cares what you think anyway cadaverr.This is a video about Virgil not Buddy and since you favor Buddy why dont you go watch some of his videos?And also this Buddy rich is the greatest drummer ever thing is getting old.Thats how little kids think not educated musicians.
I dont think anyone cares what you think anyway cadaverr.This is a video about Virgil not Buddy and since you favor Buddy why dont you go watch some of his videos?And also this Buddy rich is the greatest drummer ever thing is getting old.Thats how little kids think not educated musicians.
Show me Buddy Playing one of Virgils four way limb independence odd time grooves.Show me him soling over a thirty second note doubles strokes.Why isnt Buddy the master of limb independence or odd time signatures?If he is the greatest drummer of all time he would have to dominate on all those levels which he clearly never did.Players such as Virgil Donati,Dennis Chambers,Vinnie coliuata,Simon Phillips to name a few are far greater players then Buddy rich when it comes to playing abilities.
Copy and paste "buddy rich two o' clock solo" and check the intense interplay between snare, bass drum and hit hat. Buddy was not JUST playing ostinatos either (it would be way too boring for him - and his highly dynamical playing). He prefered to create independent phrasings for each limb to complement each other (more difficult, in MY opinion). Regarding the double strokes, you're probably right. But I couldn't give a shit.
Well Buddy is an incredible drummer dont get me rong.All Im saying is when it comes to over the bar phrasing,Odd time signatures Virgil is definitely more superior.Watch Virgil Doantis toko clinic solo part one.He does a four way limb independence groove about 18 seconds into the solo and you will just have to watch it to believe it.That is one of the most impressive demonstrations of limb indapendence I have ever seen.
Virgil is one of the most amazing drummers I have ever seen.Watching him do thirty second note double strokes on his bass drums then solo over that with amazing fills and phrases is astonishingly incredible.From soloing over extreamly complicated double bass ostinoto patterns and playing across complicated time signatures Virgil absoloutely blows me away.I dont even know how he plays stuff of that difficulty.I would say Virgil is a better player then Buddy but they are both great musicians.
Also Virgil has to be the greatest double bass player of all time.He has so much controll over tempos even at the most incredible rates of speed and despite the complexity of the patterns.Anyone could kick their legs as fast as they can like and idiot but to have the controll and accuracy of Virgils playing is one of the things that makes a great drummer.But he is not that great because he is fast but because he is an incredible musician.
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Try watching Virgil playing a double stroke roll ad infinitum (for more than 5 min) and tell me it was an exciting experiece... its boring as hell. Between this and being able to totally frighten an audiemce with your immense talent, I stay with the later. "Go Buddy!", yeah, thats what I'm talking about.
"Drumming is not a physical thing" - thats a funny thing coming out of a Virgil Donati fan. Virgil is probably the drummer to get more tired after a drum solo.
buddy rich was far more successful as a drummer in a band, you cannot compare two people that play completely different styles and play in completely different times! buddy rich was ahead of his time in some of the techniques he used. no doubt donati is one hell of a drummer, but he has had people like that to influence him, which by the way explains why people get better at things as time goes on! im sure if id never seen buddy, bonham, blackwell etc play, i wouldnt use half the grooves i do!
Go watch Buddy's hands and leave me alove with your vaccum/coward/distant-to-the-point-discussed little arguments. I'm not going to respond to you anymore. I've proven what I've stated before. YOU are the one to still do something worth of a mention to your mediocre life. You just have Gods to adore while you could work your ass off to BECOME one. Mediocrity at it's best.
I never mentioned Virgil's ability to play single strokes, I mentioned his ABILITY alone. You call me coward? Why don't you say it to my face instead of hiding behind a keyboard? Oh, that's right, Brasil is a long way away from Australia, so you're quite safe ;). Please, continue your hostility, it just proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that you're insecure in your ability, driving you to criticise others to try and make yourself feel better. Would baby like an icecream to cheer him up?
David, ok, I think I went to far with that. I had a terrible day and I've started being a dick for no good reason for some days. Please forgive me, I have nothing against you or Virgil. I find him to be a genius. I just wanted to stress his less than stellar single stroke proficiency (which I find very important), but many other aspects of his playing simply cannot be denied. I apologise in public for my behavior. Nevermind.
iv saw your vid and it about the same speed btw but dont critise when he owns everything else you do. oh and you dont get the gig for how fast you are...you being a buddy fan you should know that!!
LAUGHING MY FUCKING ARSE OFF! Mate, i've seen ur video, and it just wasn't any of those things, u cudn't keep fast for more than 4 seconds, u weren't as fast as this and u were sloppier than my nanna's flaps.
And dont reply to this with an essay cos i've seen u talk enough shit.
1) I AM playing faster. Its not evident for you because you're too centered into the loud sound of a snare drum. I was playing in a practice PAD, you retard. Slow down the Goddamn video and count the single strokes if you will.
Virgil is an incredible rudiment player and I have seen a few of his clinics{Trust me I know}.But Why do you think all the greatest drumset players spend more time on their mental abilities?Drumming is not an Olympic sport and There are physical barriers in drumming but you want to be the kind of person who puts Academics first.Even playing quickly is a mental challenge because You have to think fast to play fast.
Again your mixing drumming up with Olympic sports.Simon Phillips{One of the greatest drummers of all time}Explains very clearly if you spend a little time being very accurate and very even the speed starts to come because the control is much greater.Considering Virgil can do a roll at 140bpm with out losing conrtol or accuracy I would say he is pretty amazing.
Virgil Donati is one of the greatest drummers of all time.Virgil has gone beyond what was previously thought impossible on the modern drumset.The day we can say the same about you cadaverr maybe your comments will actually be worth a damn.
2) My video was NOT proposed to be a single stroke ad infinitum demonstration. It was a mixture of different rudiments put together + some tricks. Drags, flams, doubles, singles, stick trick. Read the description, retarded ass.
3) Virgil doesn't hold it either. He starts at a very low speed, spending no more than 4, 5 seconds in "high speed" - more power than real speed, by the way - before hes almost dead by the "effort". Just a real fanatic like you wouldn't see such an obvious thing.
oo, a practice pad, ee i didn't no that like, u were also playin on the table were u, oh great 1. and i did read the description and i dont care, ur braggin and u cant back urself up, u just like to make urself feel better my typin endless points and shit. i'm bored with u, ur too predictable pal XD keep practicin.
Er.. Thie debate is funny lol. Virgil speed is faster at his max and his playing is clean, this guys max sounds like hes hitting both sticks at once. Practice clean playing then we will see your speed.
virgil can play buddy rich's rolls so dont even bother...however he obviously pays respect like everyone else to the pioneer of fast and extreme drumming(buddy) ....anyway thats not the most impressive stuff of virgil donati....its other stuff that make him the best ,technically ,drummer of all time....
to understand the difference between everybody else and virgil....buddy was able to play an insanely difficult single stroke roll around the kit...there are no more than 10 people in the world that can play that roll...donati is the only one of them that can play it while playing paradiddles with his feet...
i couldn't agree more.. apart from technique itself, which he obviously has more in one finger than most of us in both hands and feet, he can play ridiculously complex patterns while grooving on top of 'em.. and the single fuckin' most insane of his statements is "-mike mangini can play 1200 notes a minute! ho
It's somewhere between awe inspiring and making you want to quit
ericfontana 6 months ago
virgil you crazy motherfucker.
allmetaliswelcome 7 months ago
Wfd is a fucking JOKE.
ScreamxBloodyxGore 10 months ago
i wonder how stupid that smartass in the audience feels about himself now? what a fucking idiot!
soundmind529 1 year ago
still amazing!!
jamsmurf 1 year ago
is that a swivel moving on his feet when he brings up the tempo?
gebukdrum 1 year ago
@gebukdrum it looks like it...
italstal07 6 months ago
Virgil's so cool he comes to a drum fest without preparing anything =D
ryder187mac 1 year ago
He didn't answer the question...
serialdrummer5353 1 year ago
Any questions?
OneSteveUnderGod 1 year ago
Virgil's in a league of his own, people try and protest this by mentioning other drummers who have supposedly faster kick drumming, but i've seen them all and no-one has the sheer power and definition on single/doubles/polyrythms that virgil has. on his modern drummer performance in the late 90's virgil played bizzare patterns like inverted doubles and double stoke quintuplets when the world didn't even know about double strokes. Most other "fast" drummers are monotonous and relentlessly boring
matsyendranath 1 year ago 9
@matsyendranath Amen to that brother
KingsofComedy 1 year ago
@matsyendranath not to mention the articulations the dynamics of his double bass playing the flawless control he has over his feet and the rest of his limbs ... I have yet to hear a recording where there's more than one volume of double bass playing
Akiachrounoumena 7 months ago
@matsyendranath The late Great Jim Chapin played those patterns 40 years ago...
italstal07 6 months ago
FFS guys.... he's of the top 5 in terms of his doubles on double bass drumming. And his single stroke roll as seen here, is as fast as you will ever see anyone do it. In fact, i've never seen a single stroke roll executed so hard (rimshots if you pay attention) or fast.
thehoffa 2 years ago 2
i sent you a video response....i gotta single stroke roll for ya!!...lol i know yours is with your feet...but i know you can do a better job than that with your hands!...oh well chk it out anyway!
francodrummer1 2 years ago
This man is my ever-loving hero on drums along with Steve "You can't do this" Smith and Dave I'll pound your head into submission" Weckl.
Now, time to go lube myself up with some frozen yogurt and cricket larva and slide some clothespins up me arse because what else is left after seeing this machine!!!
MuscleBound46 2 years ago
The Single Stroke Roll request came from fusion drummer Norm Calp...I was there!
PadreMDB 2 years ago
HOLY FUCK. I HAVE NEVER HEARD SUCH AN EVEN SINGLE STROKE ROLL.... Those were ALL RIMSHOTS AS HE GOT LOUDER. JESUS.
thehoffa 2 years ago
LOL
sickpack82 2 years ago
i would hate to be his snare drum... ouch
Rizzlesdrums4life 2 years ago
great shit
Dihnekis 2 years ago
posted this vid...i sent you a vid response...its a 66 second single stroke roll...chk it out...not double stroke but a 66 second single stroke roll....let me know what you think ; )
francodrummer1 2 years ago
The hands were MUCH faster than the feet. It's kind of funny that he's recognized a lot for having fast feet but he's really not at all in comparison to Roddy, Kollias, etc. AMAZING hands though and all around performance is phenomenal, one of the best drum soloists alive!
Dreammotive 2 years ago
It's not so much the speed of his feet, but what he does with them. He was the first to really play around with double stroke rolls with the feet and all the complex patterns he does. You should check out his new book, it's awesome!!
DavidPartay 2 years ago
You're right, he was and is a great contributor to rudimental bass drum patterns within drum performances. I'm just sorta responding to his performance in this video. He was asked to do single strokes and his hands simply blew away his feet speed.
Dreammotive 2 years ago
Fair enough, I just don't think it's a big deal at all :). I would say it's simply a case that he's never felt the need to spend the time on getting his feet to death metal speed levels. I figure, if he needed to he would have done so. I have a feeling he's never really developed his double stroke roll with his feet beyond 190-200 but that's just me going from what others have said.
But yeah, his hands are amazing!
DavidPartay 2 years ago
Well, yeah, he has the right to practice whatever aspects he wants to. So he has become known for having some of the fastest hands which is justified. I just say that people are being misinformed if they think that Virgil is among the top foot drummers. And many do think that.
Dreammotive 2 years ago
That's an unfair categorisation, I would say Virgil isn't one of the fastest with his feet, but he's definitely the one person who has moved far above and beyond everyone else with the things he is capable of doing with his feet.
DavidPartay 2 years ago
We'll just have to disagree on that. I think he is well established and able to play most of what other drummers are playing but there is nothing he plays with his feet that at least a good number of other drummers couldn't play as well.
Dreammotive 2 years ago
I am inclined to disagree, but each to his own, I suppose ;).
Incidentally, could you give me some names of drummers with Virgil's level of articulation and creativity? I'm interested in checking them out. Seriously. I'm not being sarcastic or anything I am truly interested :)
DavidPartay 2 years ago
WHOOOAHHH FUUUCKK!!>.. now thats a monster single stroke..
upbeatmantis86 2 years ago
i am a guitar player but people like Virgil and Chambers give me the chills :D
love to see them
petar870602 2 years ago
Virgil is Amazing !!
He Inspired me alot !!!
BengeeBass 2 years ago
hes doing single strokes idiot...hes one of the best technisons around..clearly your retarded iv seen him do it i was there..drum fests..
MikeisBroke 2 years ago
single stroke roll? not quite.
when he gets veery fast on the feet... doubles.
LHondrums 2 years ago
or not....
if u have nothing good to say....just STFU
Tiritor 2 years ago
errrr, nope! it's singles alright.. look closer, he's just swiveling..
alright28 2 years ago
it's an up stroke and a down stroke motion he uses. similar to inverted double stroke motion, but not.
you can't play single strokes with the feet at that speed using only a down stroke motion.
duckoes 2 years ago
Thats simply not true. Check out Mike "The Machine" Mallais who plays a lot faster than this with only downstrokes. Thats why he has the world record for downstrokes.
Dreammotive 2 years ago
yeah but with the volume of a mouse fart.
Virgil is one of the few who can play those tempos with all that volume.
Noone touches him with a kick drum and a bass drum mic
duckoes 2 years ago 2
No, virgil cant play nearly as fast as Mike Mallais with feet. And thats just talking about sheer speed. Thats a rather naive statement as there is a good handful of foot specialists who can completely school Donati in that specific area.
Dreammotive 2 years ago
You missed what I said, I'm talking about stroke definition in a practicle sense. Not I can hear the water dripping in the sink over the bass drum strokes.
You can't even begin to say that Mike Mallais could play in a band without the use of triggers at 200bpm. "practicle" uses not WFD records.
duckoes 2 years ago
Maybe at 270 bpm he would need triggers but come on 200? He along with quite a few others could play that fast at full volume for a few minutes straight using downstrokes. And using a non-downstroke technique, like Virgil with his double-strokes you could play full volume at 200 bpm for about5 - 10 minutes straight. 200 bpm is the beginning for a real foot drummer, not the end.
Dreammotive 2 years ago
Animal!!!
diogoarrebola 2 years ago
VIRGIL IS GOD
AHMEN
uranometria2002 2 years ago
Haha. Sure it's fast... But this is nothing compared to his limb independence "Grooves" that frankly, you wouldn't even think are possible.
krisdrepko 2 years ago 4
Haha the voice of the guy screaming out is priceless
ParnvoL 2 years ago
yee heee!!.. LOL
upbeatmantis86 2 years ago
Actually, hes taking it a little easy these days, hes only practice like 2-4 hours, anbd "if he got feels he wants to" he can play some piano aswell....he said this in an interview I read.
888erkan888 2 years ago
His singles on his hands are incredible - he can change the dynamic level without slowing down, which not many drummers can do. I've seen Buddy Rich play singles fast with great endurance, but never as loud and clean as Donati. Not saying anyone is better; just making a point for all the BR lovers out there - this is different and still very very good.
daviethedrummer 2 years ago
virgil himself said he is NOT a speed freak..and I THINK
and he is abit bored practicing perfect singles with his feet because time goes on and there are many undiscovered rhythms and he wants to invest time to push the limits of drumming further.polyrhythms etc...let virgil do his job..he will leave us younger generations a BIG PATH to follow and expand! cheers.
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DimitraSandra 3 years ago
Yo fuí el profesor de Virgil, y la verdad, creo que no entendió nada de nada!!!
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soytuso 3 years ago
oii
rdlfu 3 years ago 2
He's so good... great technique...
dindrummer92 3 years ago
OMFGGGG!!!!!! sweet
persini 3 years ago
omg how does he get that fast?
how to use fingers?
andrevth 3 years ago
he said he practices for eight hours a day and everyday at one of his clinics
robbymadore 3 years ago
"He said he practices for eight hours a day and everyday at one of his clinics"
That's why he is good.
He doesn't waste time doing nothing.
I study like 3 to 5 hours per day, and I learned one thing; "Perfect practice, makes a perfect playing"
The difference between some drummers and Donati, is not talent, is dedication and hard working.
ExtremeDrummer92 3 years ago 3
hey dimedizzle..what are you talking about..the 3 drummer that you mentioned is only a booger of donati dude..dolot
basura2death 3 years ago
just amazing, i love it!!
jamsmurf 3 years ago
the best feet control better then thomas lang and marco minnemann and dont mension joey jordison please
eugenerivera87 3 years ago
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JOEY SLAYS THIS GUY
dimedizzle 3 years ago
Joey does NOT slay this guy, Joey slayed himself trying to do what virgil did!
groovekilledme 3 years ago
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TRAVIS BARKER SLAYS THIS GUY!
dimedizzle 3 years ago
now your just emberassing :P
groovekilledme 3 years ago 3
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dimedizzle 3 years ago
hahaha case closed :P
groovekilledme 3 years ago
you're a moron
Kal1850 2 years ago
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dimedizzle 2 years ago
Travis Barker?! Please tell me you're kidding!
amchop1992 3 years ago
lol yes. I thought it was a pretty clear joke. But it's true that you do see enough dumbasses on youtube to believe something like that.
Sure enough someone actually believes it's true though. That's the sad thing.
dimedizzle 3 years ago
It's funny that Lars got more thumbs down than Travis Barker though. I hope Travis is okay after his plane crash.
dimedizzle 3 years ago
ähm dimedizzle..
travis barker > virgil donati??
muuuhaha this is the best joke i've ever heard.
LHondrums 3 years ago
Define foot control?
Paradidles?Technique?Speed?Rudiments?
How do you measure foot control?
He's obviously no where near the fastest. His technique,granted,is different.He employs a different method in playing double bass,mostly LLRR from what i see.What makes some1 a great double bass drummer and who decided so?I prefer derek roddy,romain goulon or even joeys DOUBLE BASS PLAYING to virgils.Some of virgils vids seem as though hes playing quite sloppy double bass.
stellarshore 3 years ago
virgil donati foot technique is flawless and hes consider as one of the fastest doubles bass of all time jason bittner even say it that hes no where near him
eugenerivera87 3 years ago
This video shows that virgils double bass can be flawed, I think it verges on slightly sloppy or the acoustics are bad.Bittner has no real weight in the drum scene and of course hes no where near him, jason isnt that great.
So you are putting emphasis on fastest?k, find that fastest drum vid of virgils double bass and i'll find you the fastest double bass and we can compare.
Again, is it speed that makes someone a great double bassist? And bittner, please,you may as well throw lars in there
stellarshore 3 years ago
no its not speed its how felxable he is when he play double bass.hes extremely musical in everysong.not like some drummers the use double bass to do rolls like me. i would like to get at lease near virgil donati when it comes to double bass but not to close
eugenerivera87 3 years ago
Wouldnt you like to get better?
stellarshore 3 years ago
yes thats why i practice for long periods of time
eugenerivera87 3 years ago
That is a very reasonable statement. I disagree, but you've clearly provided us with an opinion here. I would disagree very strongly that he's "sloppy"... he takes the cake in the "clean bass drum" department. In my opinion he has cleaner sounding feet that Lang...but keep in mind he's NEVER using triggers.
Virgil's double bass playing is mostly used in syncropated phrases that can be quite insane, and (from my experience) much harder to control that just playing fast rolls.
drumsrosner 3 years ago 2
But to say that doing paraddiles for syncopation phrases is somehow technically more difficult than going 240bpm is unfair.
To attain that speed requires perhaps as much time and effort. It may sound monotonous or "boring".
So because virgils rudiments on double bass sound accented it somehow makes his double bass sound better?
He does rudiment on bass but at slower speeds,i have seen derek roddy do quicker doubles, i'll find the link.....
stellarshore 3 years ago
I'm sure Roddy's never played flams (something I've seen Virgil incorporate very effectively with the feet).. but I'm talking about broken singles, and syncropated patterns, tuplets, etc...Virgil has the same control with his feet that most people strive for with their hands.
Speed is much easier to practice, though I agree that doesn't mean LESS practice. Sure, it takes a very long time to develop, but much like body building, it's "trained" rather than practiced...for the most part I mean
drumsrosner 3 years ago
Flams- splitting hairs bro.
Singles,patterns,tuplets- when you listen to a drum solo or song do you find out if the double bass strokes were played in parradidles or singles to enhance the song? Its still "dugah dugah" accept one is accented and one isnt.
Imagine he played the strokes in singles, it would essentially be the same,without accents(the only purpose of parradidling on double bass as far as i can see)
Other than the odd interesting beat this guy i find somewhat over hyped.
stellarshore 3 years ago
so, you mean you can't find any difference in hearing him playing just 16th singles from playing 3-5-7-9 stroke rolls, flam accents, flam fives or whatever sick rudiment he can think of? even when he plays the inverted double stroke roll, it stll has a different feel and accent pattern than that of continous singles! and he can double stroke up to 220-230 with extreme clarity, i've seen it live, and can hold it for as long as he likes, clean and loud as hell doubles.. to say a drummer
alright28 2 years ago
like virgil who is one of the most proficient drummers both on hands and feet, to call him over hyped, well i think it's wrong.. playing singles at 270, like george kollias is certainly hard, but is playing all the rudiments you can think of with your feet, easier? and yes, virgil uses the different rudiments he can apply with his feet within songs, and it sounds very interesting.. for me, much more interesting than what most drummers do with the kick, which is playing fast singles all the time
alright28 2 years ago 2
best!
theroll666 3 years ago
He is like a mordern version of Ian Paice.
Virgil is awesome
rampage2112 3 years ago
meglio non sfidare Mr.Donati.... :D
bonzodom 3 years ago
Man, would hate to be that snare.. lol
revolvingmayhem 3 years ago
joder, milla billa egiten dizkit pff. baina ez da nire gogokoenetariko bat. Billy Cobham ala Buddy Rich askoz obeto jajj.
musikabarnetik 3 years ago
You're fast cadaverr, but you don't have to be such a dick.
VQuiZ11 3 years ago
wow...that cadaverr guy is an idiot...
mOrtpengu1n 3 years ago 4
and that boys is how its done
1323caca 3 years ago 12
Don't compare Buddy Rich to Virgil Donati...
There is one huge difference between them. Buddy received no formal drum instruction and he also never admitted to practicing, claiming to play the drums only during performances... Virgil Donati practice almost all time when he isn't sleep...
XXXLegioNXXX 3 years ago 2
You cant be a great player and not practise. More time equals more ability.Buddy Rich put time and effort into the instrument otherwise he would be horrible player.LOL
ModernDrummer1234567 3 years ago 5
cadaverr...you really do have seriously problems dude. Just stop.
104yourmother 3 years ago 3
And the winner is...DavidPartay.
Drumming is art, not war.
loopfxr 3 years ago 2
This arguing about buddy vs. virgil is stupid. Donati pwns him. :D
drbeat2oo2 4 years ago 2
Agreed. Why do people bother comparing drummers to other drummers? They're all different people, if they all sounded the same and did the same things then we'd all be bored within a week. The most important thing about drumming is playing musically and putting your spirit into the music to make it something special.
DavidPartay 4 years ago
"Why do people bother comparing drummers to other drummers? They're all different people,"
Each drummer is as unique as their personality.
Complexity gets old fast!I need to hear Phil Rudd as well as Dave Weckl. VD is just plain rediculous P E R I O D . Don't compare it's just Usless ego and Inferiotity- baby shit!
All the drummer greats didn't / don't even think this way !
tjfreak 3 years ago 2
i wonder if charlie watts can do single stroke rolls using traditional grip:?n he has a jazz kinda band i'll ask ringo bout it... .. . .
droumdoum 4 years ago
Cool! An argument about Buddy vs. Virgil.... Hmmm, let's see. I am not about to read all of the posts on this, I will just say this: 99% of the drummers out there (INCLUDING myself) will never be able to play like either of them. Our jaws drop and our inspiration rises when we hear them. This is because we are musicians. Musicians appreciate art. Buddy and Virgil create art. Let's leave it at that and enjoy the process of drumming and celebrate everyone's victories along the way.
anthematica 4 years ago 3
He has some serious chops. like WOW. All this buddy Rich stuff is dumb. I prefer Buddy to Virgil as well. but you don;t have to try to prove anything.
timothypetergreen 4 years ago
The people who do can only shake their heads. I'm the dummy who actually attempted to make you realize this a number of times. Yet another losing battle. Just chill and enjoy art. Nobody cares or is impressed that you like Buddy.
104yourmother 4 years ago
Another example is the "evidence" you keep insisting you've provided. You simply don't understand how insignificant and pointless it is to issue "evidence" on such a subjective topic...Attempting to prove how superior Buddy Rich is to Virgil is a losing battle, yet you simply don't understand this concept.
104yourmother 4 years ago
empty statements? Like Virgil singles sound like "shit" compared to Dirkity Dirk, Dirk, Dirk..Just another example of how helpless it is to actually carry a conversation on with you. You've proven on a number of sites. Everyone attempts to let you realize how misguided you are, yet you want to hear none of it.
104yourmother 4 years ago
To actually believe any conclusions as to "what's better" can be drawn by the to clips you've chosen to compare completely reveals just how helplessly ignorant you are.
104yourmother 4 years ago
Dude, you seriously do have problems. You have to understand, the people who actually DO know something about percussion know you have no idea what you're talking about. Stop the acting, and let the grown ups talk.
104yourmother 4 years ago
Well, hehe, can I state that you're just trolling and having a good laugh? Or are you really going to enter the discussion? Since the very first word, I've been presenting you with arguments and indications/evidences of my statements. What Mr. Troll has been doing? "Oh, you have no idea of what you're talking about".
cadaverr 4 years ago
When a kid hides himself behind empty and loose statements like these, I can only conclude that you're a troll, hiding behind empty phrases and having no discourse abilities, whatsoever. I'm yet to read anything usefull and direct-to-the-point coming from you rather than "dude, you have no idea of what you're talking about". Only a totally clueness nerd would really repeat these silly things over and over again and run away from the objective/direct-to-the-point discussion... too bad.
cadaverr 4 years ago
:( If you happen really feel like you're ready to participate into the discussion, please tell me. I'm not coming nearby again to read empty things like "dude, you have no idea at all" again. Go burn your free-time with someone else.
cadaverr 4 years ago
Wow, alien123io you really got your point accross with with such concise english skills.
150929 4 years ago
well if you still having some doubts please feel free to visit the virtualdrummerschool,com and learn what is right and what is wrong
jtortolero 4 years ago
The Buddy vs. Virgil debate gets a tad old.
It's tough to ever challenge Buddy's legacy, but I feel most of it comes from his sheer talent. But he only really did one thing and/or style of drumming, and if you've heard one Buddy solo you kind of have a general idea of what he did.
It's hard to say what Buddy could've done with the double bass or the multi-layered polyrhythms that you hear in today's players like Virgil. Would he of even had the endurance?
ThePoorBoy 4 years ago
Oh, and if you were listening, he was going to demonstrate some grooving, but the heckler made a funny joke about him demonstrating the single stroke roll instead. So, playing along, he happily accepted. But why waste time jacking off on stage, proving shit the whole drumming community already knows about? Buddy is a legend, that goes without saying. But Virgil is nothing short of amazing, stop trying to down his chops, and give him his props. =]
Sicko0o 4 years ago
amen to that mate.. i can't underestand these rediculous comparings of buddy VS the rest of the freak drummers.. why should everyone try to surpass buddy rich? i mean, he certainly was/is a legent but enough already! the technical abilities of today's freak drummers surpass AS A WHOLE those of buddy rich, in my humble oppinion. the fact that virgil can't do what buddy did, doesn't mean that buddy COULD do what virgil does today, if he lived.. they are just different styles!
alright28 4 years ago
THANK YOU SICKOOO AND ALRIGHT28
i completely agree with what ur saying
finally, people who aren't ignorant
ricthetapir 4 years ago
That is absolutely amazing. So much control and speed on him. And no, his hand didn't "die" if you knew your shit, you would know that he positioned his left hand lower to use his fingers more, dumbass. Secondly, Virgil has so much technical ability stacked on him, he could hold that speed 3x times over and not break a sweat.
Sicko0o 4 years ago
hey Suckmyoooooo
"""his left hand lower to use his fingers more""""""
now i know you don't understand the left hand traditional grip you are dummie!!!!!
don't talk stupid thins
he never uses his fingers that s why can't play long singles and his left arm is soooooo tight !!!!
he uses all his life the wrist!!!!!!!
watch back to basci weckl video about finger control
or vinnie colaiuta proper grip
dikel eden
alien123io 4 years ago
Alright look, I've never been into the menotinous and extremely idiotic arguements on this site. Infact, most of the time when I see it happen, I just shake my head and close the window. But this I couldn't. Okay, I've had private one-on-one sessions with Virgil, multiple times, over my house, personally to explain, in-depth, his hand & foot technique, metric modulation, advanced polyrhythmic concepts etc. and how he came to develop all of it.
Sicko0o 4 years ago
Amoung the various rudiments I've seen him display on the kit in uncanny ways, I've also seen him demonstrate his singles in person, hands and feet. He uses his wrist at slower tempos but as he gradually gets faster, after a certain point, it's completely fingers. And I swear to you, this man can hold them effortlessly for extended periods of time.
Sicko0o 4 years ago
Now have I ever met buddy? No. But I can tell you, Virgil is one of those players who has literally dedicated his life to his craft. Even at 50+ years old, he has no kids, no family, his life essentially is drums.Just talking with him and seeing him in action made me totally realise, he probably knows just about everything there is to know about drumming. Yeah, it's that crazy man.
Sicko0o 4 years ago
So go ahead and slam me with your silly, middle-school comebacks and your narrow-minded ignorant assumptions about players you have most likely never met in your life. So as I stated before: Virgil is absolutely amazing. I will say this though, and this goes for all musicians, never down another mans chops, ever. No matter how bad or good you think he or she is.
Sicko0o 4 years ago
A musician is a got damn musician and should be respected as one. Not to make it out the be indie 500. One thing buddy always had, was immense respect for talented indiviuals who took their music and craft, seriously. And Virgil has gone above and beyond doing so. Buddy is a legendary musician, never, ever to be forgotten. Virgil is an amazing musician and a trail blazing pioneer.
lilgraffitiboi 4 years ago
Both deserve respect and props for their chops, whatever it may be. Now, let this silly, ignorant arguement, lay to rest and just sit back and admire what talent and love these two men have and (had) and use it to fuel us to learn and pick up where they left of huh?? That's all I've got to say on this. I'm out. =] P.S.(Yeah, I had to log into my friends account just to finish what I had to say, so don't get confused by the different user name.) =P
lilgraffitiboi 4 years ago
"""his left hand lower to use his fingers more""""""
again:you are dummie for left hand traditional:
you don't need to swear...to convince me or the fact tha t you worked with him 1 on 1 private....bla bla bla
blind from the airplane will say his traditional is not what should be!!!!!!he mimics his minus with the his foots.....
onother proof that ne is not using fingers watch on youtube videos:
1.Virgil Warm-up
2.Virgil Donati Chicago Clinic Demonstration II
alien123io 4 years ago
tell me:
where is his finger control on those videos !!!!!!
another time at least post reasonable comment not just 1000 words.....
again if he is your favourite doesn\t mean everything he does is magic and right
fact:in his drumming from always tha foot was major event never the hands.foots would be always his srongets weapon!!!!!
alien123io 4 years ago
well, you are quite wrong on that one mate.. you know, virgil started playing double bass 20 years ago, but plays drums from the age of 3, so he obviously did have MUCH time to work on his hands before he worked his double bass (he is 46 now, do the math and you're there). also, he doesn't seem to use his fingers here but, does it really matter? not using his fingers here and in 2-3 other videos, means that he doesn't know how to use them?
alright28 4 years ago
what you use and what you don't use doesn't mean very much mate, it's what you feel and listen to, that really counts.. being able to do single strokes at 260bpm with that power and control, i'd say he's good.. and his strong point is that he doesn't have a strong point actually! his hands are powerful, with amazing control and speed, his footwork is awesome, and his ease in executing polyrythms is uncanny.. in other words, he has it all, either we like it or not..
alright28 4 years ago
and certainly being your favorite doesn't mean that he works magic, just like as if you don't like his style, it doesn't mean that he is a bad drummer.. there CAN'T be a bad drummer among all these monsters, all of them are divine, it's just a matter of personal preferance.. it's who you like and who you dislike, it's not who's good and who's bad.. there is no BAD among them!
alright28 4 years ago
i hate arguing but i have to say this
ALIEN123io
you fucking asshat, you have NO IDEA what you're talking about
fuck, i've only been drumming for a bit over a year and a half, but i even i know that you get faster, you need finger control, that's why virgil lowered his left hand, to make it easier to hit the drum with his fingers
ricthetapir 4 years ago
2004!!!!!!!
virgil you are wasting your time
2004 !!!!!!
go home and work on single stroke roll(mean on hands single not foot)
and all screamers in the audience there know absolulty nothing about drumming !!!!
scream for nothing
10s and singles on hand dies
advice:
get the time macine from NASA as soon as posible and back to 70s with teacher buddy !!!!
alien123io 4 years ago
Wow... compared to Buddy Rich's single stroke rolls, this one SUCKS... slow and quick (Virgil was already dying in the few seconds it lasted...) :]
cadaverr 4 years ago
And with this you have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that you honestly have no clue as to what you're talking about man. Seriously, I think you may have problems.
104yourmother 4 years ago 2
"And with thid you have proven beyond a shadown of doubt that I honestly know more about Virgil and his double strokes' proficiency and rather weak single stroke one than you" - thats how it should be read.
cadaverr 4 years ago
Compared to the following video:
Buddy Rich West Side Story Pt. 2
Donati's single stroke control, speed and endurance sound like shit. I've posted a clear evidence. Sorry for that.
cadaverr 4 years ago
Idiots like you always look for something to criticise, why don't you go pretend that you're not a loser instead of coming onto YouTube and criticising people whose ability you'll never come close to?
DavidPartay 4 years ago
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This is actually funny because I can actually single stroke FASTER than Virgil (I've posted a video of myself doing so), and that was exactly the main point of my criticism (if you have any doubt, download both videos and slow them down and count all the single strokes per second). Almost everything I play is not just fast but also loud/powerful and accurate - rudiments-wise. So now, go fuck yourself with a knife. Thank you.
cadaverr 4 years ago
So what? They're just single strokes. Just because you can play singles at 270 doesn't mean you can play more complex patterns than someone who can only do singles at 230. Drumming isn't all about speed. Ignorant little boy.
DavidPartay 4 years ago 4
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No, you're running away from the main topic. You clearly said that I would "never come close to" Virgil when I was talking to his relative single strokes' non-proficiency. Don't run away from the real discussion, you fool. And no, I'm not an "ignorant little boy", YOU are. You should take more care of your own words. A 23-year-old coward with no life talking to me like an idiotic father would to his son. That made my day. I'm all about complex rudiments.
cadaverr 4 years ago
Virgil is definitely a great rudiment player especially for playing traditional grip.However no one cares who is a better rudiment player and in fact most of the greatest snare drum players are not even drumset players.There are many things that make a good drummer and how quick you can play rudiments does not decide how good of a drummer you are.Drumming is definitely not a physical sport and there is a lot more to drumming then rudiments.
Athenticdrummer 3 years ago
I dont think anyone cares what you think anyway cadaverr.This is a video about Virgil not Buddy and since you favor Buddy why dont you go watch some of his videos?And also this Buddy rich is the greatest drummer ever thing is getting old.Thats how little kids think not educated musicians.
Athenticdrummer 3 years ago 2
I dont think anyone cares what you think anyway cadaverr.This is a video about Virgil not Buddy and since you favor Buddy why dont you go watch some of his videos?And also this Buddy rich is the greatest drummer ever thing is getting old.Thats how little kids think not educated musicians.
Athenticdrummer 3 years ago 3
Show me Buddy Playing one of Virgils four way limb independence odd time grooves.Show me him soling over a thirty second note doubles strokes.Why isnt Buddy the master of limb independence or odd time signatures?If he is the greatest drummer of all time he would have to dominate on all those levels which he clearly never did.Players such as Virgil Donati,Dennis Chambers,Vinnie coliuata,Simon Phillips to name a few are far greater players then Buddy rich when it comes to playing abilities.
Athenticdrummer 3 years ago 3
Copy and paste "buddy rich two o' clock solo" and check the intense interplay between snare, bass drum and hit hat. Buddy was not JUST playing ostinatos either (it would be way too boring for him - and his highly dynamical playing). He prefered to create independent phrasings for each limb to complement each other (more difficult, in MY opinion). Regarding the double strokes, you're probably right. But I couldn't give a shit.
cadaverr 3 years ago
Well Buddy is an incredible drummer dont get me rong.All Im saying is when it comes to over the bar phrasing,Odd time signatures Virgil is definitely more superior.Watch Virgil Doantis toko clinic solo part one.He does a four way limb independence groove about 18 seconds into the solo and you will just have to watch it to believe it.That is one of the most impressive demonstrations of limb indapendence I have ever seen.
Athenticdrummer 3 years ago 2
Virgil is one of the most amazing drummers I have ever seen.Watching him do thirty second note double strokes on his bass drums then solo over that with amazing fills and phrases is astonishingly incredible.From soloing over extreamly complicated double bass ostinoto patterns and playing across complicated time signatures Virgil absoloutely blows me away.I dont even know how he plays stuff of that difficulty.I would say Virgil is a better player then Buddy but they are both great musicians.
Athenticdrummer 3 years ago 2
Also Virgil has to be the greatest double bass player of all time.He has so much controll over tempos even at the most incredible rates of speed and despite the complexity of the patterns.Anyone could kick their legs as fast as they can like and idiot but to have the controll and accuracy of Virgils playing is one of the things that makes a great drummer.But he is not that great because he is fast but because he is an incredible musician.
Athenticdrummer 3 years ago
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Try watching Virgil playing a double stroke roll ad infinitum (for more than 5 min) and tell me it was an exciting experiece... its boring as hell. Between this and being able to totally frighten an audiemce with your immense talent, I stay with the later. "Go Buddy!", yeah, thats what I'm talking about.
"Drumming is not a physical thing" - thats a funny thing coming out of a Virgil Donati fan. Virgil is probably the drummer to get more tired after a drum solo.
cadaverr 3 years ago
*experience
**audience
cadaverr 3 years ago
All the greatest players including Virgil himself spend more time on their mental abilites then their physical ones.
Athenticdrummer 3 years ago 7
He is always about to die on stage. That was a funny remark from you.
cadaverr 3 years ago
buddy rich was far more successful as a drummer in a band, you cannot compare two people that play completely different styles and play in completely different times! buddy rich was ahead of his time in some of the techniques he used. no doubt donati is one hell of a drummer, but he has had people like that to influence him, which by the way explains why people get better at things as time goes on! im sure if id never seen buddy, bonham, blackwell etc play, i wouldnt use half the grooves i do!
Auron710 3 years ago 5
Go watch Buddy's hands and leave me alove with your vaccum/coward/distant-to-the-point-discussed little arguments. I'm not going to respond to you anymore. I've proven what I've stated before. YOU are the one to still do something worth of a mention to your mediocre life. You just have Gods to adore while you could work your ass off to BECOME one. Mediocrity at it's best.
cadaverr 4 years ago
I never mentioned Virgil's ability to play single strokes, I mentioned his ABILITY alone. You call me coward? Why don't you say it to my face instead of hiding behind a keyboard? Oh, that's right, Brasil is a long way away from Australia, so you're quite safe ;). Please, continue your hostility, it just proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that you're insecure in your ability, driving you to criticise others to try and make yourself feel better. Would baby like an icecream to cheer him up?
DavidPartay 4 years ago
David, ok, I think I went to far with that. I had a terrible day and I've started being a dick for no good reason for some days. Please forgive me, I have nothing against you or Virgil. I find him to be a genius. I just wanted to stress his less than stellar single stroke proficiency (which I find very important), but many other aspects of his playing simply cannot be denied. I apologise in public for my behavior. Nevermind.
cadaverr 4 years ago
iv saw your vid and it about the same speed btw but dont critise when he owns everything else you do. oh and you dont get the gig for how fast you are...you being a buddy fan you should know that!!
lewthedrummer 4 years ago
LAUGHING MY FUCKING ARSE OFF! Mate, i've seen ur video, and it just wasn't any of those things, u cudn't keep fast for more than 4 seconds, u weren't as fast as this and u were sloppier than my nanna's flaps.
And dont reply to this with an essay cos i've seen u talk enough shit.
higgyfoo 3 years ago 7
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1) I AM playing faster. Its not evident for you because you're too centered into the loud sound of a snare drum. I was playing in a practice PAD, you retard. Slow down the Goddamn video and count the single strokes if you will.
cadaverr 3 years ago
Virgil is an incredible rudiment player and I have seen a few of his clinics{Trust me I know}.But Why do you think all the greatest drumset players spend more time on their mental abilities?Drumming is not an Olympic sport and There are physical barriers in drumming but you want to be the kind of person who puts Academics first.Even playing quickly is a mental challenge because You have to think fast to play fast.
ModernDrummer1234567 3 years ago 12
Again your mixing drumming up with Olympic sports.Simon Phillips{One of the greatest drummers of all time}Explains very clearly if you spend a little time being very accurate and very even the speed starts to come because the control is much greater.Considering Virgil can do a roll at 140bpm with out losing conrtol or accuracy I would say he is pretty amazing.
ModernDrummer1234567 3 years ago
Virgil Donati is one of the greatest drummers of all time.Virgil has gone beyond what was previously thought impossible on the modern drumset.The day we can say the same about you cadaverr maybe your comments will actually be worth a damn.
ModernDrummer1234567 3 years ago 2
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2) My video was NOT proposed to be a single stroke ad infinitum demonstration. It was a mixture of different rudiments put together + some tricks. Drags, flams, doubles, singles, stick trick. Read the description, retarded ass.
3) Virgil doesn't hold it either. He starts at a very low speed, spending no more than 4, 5 seconds in "high speed" - more power than real speed, by the way - before hes almost dead by the "effort". Just a real fanatic like you wouldn't see such an obvious thing.
cadaverr 3 years ago
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4) Have a nice day.
p.s. And oh, this is not an "essay", but a simple and direct-to-the-point reply to your shit. :)
cadaverr 3 years ago
oo, a practice pad, ee i didn't no that like, u were also playin on the table were u, oh great 1. and i did read the description and i dont care, ur braggin and u cant back urself up, u just like to make urself feel better my typin endless points and shit. i'm bored with u, ur too predictable pal XD keep practicin.
higgyfoo 3 years ago 3
Dude, youre an arrogant asshole, and youre not even close to being as good as virgil donati.. get over it
tiekoe 3 years ago 3
Er.. Thie debate is funny lol. Virgil speed is faster at his max and his playing is clean, this guys max sounds like hes hitting both sticks at once. Practice clean playing then we will see your speed.
jmr2master 3 years ago 3
virgil can play buddy rich's rolls so dont even bother...however he obviously pays respect like everyone else to the pioneer of fast and extreme drumming(buddy) ....anyway thats not the most impressive stuff of virgil donati....its other stuff that make him the best ,technically ,drummer of all time....
Petroxeilosrules 3 years ago
and by the way he stops because he plays a specific roll not because he got tired....
Petroxeilosrules 3 years ago
to understand the difference between everybody else and virgil....buddy was able to play an insanely difficult single stroke roll around the kit...there are no more than 10 people in the world that can play that roll...donati is the only one of them that can play it while playing paradiddles with his feet...
Petroxeilosrules 3 years ago
i couldn't agree more.. apart from technique itself, which he obviously has more in one finger than most of us in both hands and feet, he can play ridiculously complex patterns while grooving on top of 'em.. and the single fuckin' most insane of his statements is "-mike mangini can play 1200 notes a minute! ho