Is it possible to get 1.5 v from another source? Maby hook the power from the ignition to a stepdown transformr giving a steady 1.5? Does that sound right?
i burned out the MAF sensor trying this. it didnt work for my vehicle. however, the 2 o2 sensors i have in my exhaust my 94 ford explorer are the only sensors ill ever need to enhance. despite what the other un-enhanced sensors are saying, the ECU will have no choice but to obey the enhanced voltage signal to lean out the mixture. remember, if you have coooold winters where you live, youll be able to lean out the mixture even more. winter air passing through the radiator drops engine temp ;)
What I was doing in these vids is leaning out my car to overcome the onboard computer that was defeating my gains. You can use this without a fuel cell but I do not recommend it.
I, basically inject more voltage to the fluctuating voltage from an O2 Sensor to re-fool the ECU into thinking that I am burning rich instead of lean which an added fuel cell will do.
This does work but I do not use them anymore as I think the major focus should be to re-program our ECU's for added HHO.
BTW, I will be hosting a live video show on ustream every Tuesday night starting the first week of October with some kewl electronic stuff, cell design and our new project we got going called the GreenBing project that will be unveiled Oct 1st. You can search for my show by using my nick there on ustream. Search for Bingers.
You can read about the new GreenBing project at our website. h21oDOTcom. Replace the DOT.
I git mine thru work cause we do injection molding but you can git them at Michaels Crafts. Look for Beanie baby stuffing or something like that. Rob from HigherPoweredH2o is gitting his there. You want PolyPropylene beads. Most resin suppliers will not even talk to you unless you are buying by the ton.
I have an 84 Bronco and to get this efie device to work I had to take the pos wire of this efie and connect it to the one wire on my air sensor and connect the negitve wire to a ground. I dont think this is how you instructed me to hook it up but it does seem to work well. 84 Broncos have a primitive computor with a carberator. I cant tell you how much I appreciate your schematic. You saved me about $80 which is the going price now for an efie. And I can make my own now. Thank you so so much.
BTW, this schematic is from madscientist67 who is a fellow HHo enthusiast and a smart feller.
I just like simple things so I relived his video on this. Different cars take different methods but I would advise you to make sure that ground you got it real good as this is a very low voltage device and most cars do not have good engine grounds.
In the meantime look for more video's me and Rich Green have upcoming. This should be a blast!
If you all will run this video again and write down the link that appears at the top and come visit us you will find a much easier way to communicate on these videos. You will also find alot of schematics and advice from some of the best minds in the HHO business there.
We welcome you there and please sign up when you visit. You will not be sorry by this open source website!
I do not cut my wire but disconnect it from the pigtail plug. Splice one side into the leftover Sensor wire and the other side to the ECU end of the wire you disconnected. You sould not have to cut the wire unless it is in a harness and even then you can put a connector on each end so you can always put the sensor back together.
Thanks for the video alot of great information. Im new to the whole hho scene i just got my first cell buit and Im now looking into to efies and map/maf sensor enhancers. Everyone using the map/maf sensor enhancer is using a o2 extender. Just wondering if you had any info on that and which I should be using an efie or the sensor enhancer. Thanks
Re run this video and write down the link at the top. Visit there and register for all things HHO and advanced hydrogen cells. You will not regret it and its easier to communicate.
I have schematics there as well as alot of good advice from all sorts of people.
hi there how did the update go? looking forward the the new plans. Went to my store today to get parts the build your efie. took 4 hrs round trip to get there they are usless (dick Smith) like radio shack i think. Any how didnt have any thing dispite calling then first. Any how had to ge a 25k linear instead. Hopw it works.
The unit works very well. I am playing around with fine tuning it now. I found I can vary my mileage by around 5% with the EFIE. The new 3 in one unit I am still trying to finish up. For some reason I lost two pots I bought and cant find them. LOL
Anyways, that 25k ohm pot you got will prolly werk but it's gonna be hard for you to fine tune that thing in. Look around and see if you got some old radio or something that might have a 5k pot in it. Good luck!
Hi again Im having a wierd thing happen I took a reading from the o2 sensor and it going up and down from .30>.800 without the the efie. When i connect the efie and add voltage it doesnt seem to make any dif. I have the wires connected right and have tested the efie it pushes out a max of .415. I got the right pot for it any thoughts where I am going wrong. I turned it up and drove and got the eng man light on then turned it down and it went out. But on idle it doesnt make any dif.. HELP. Nick
If you have it wired correctly then you should notice the engine stalling at the higher milli-volts.
The thing to do here is to turn off yer fuel cell. Monitor the voltages across the O2 sensor and record the AVERAGE reading.
Next do the same with the booster on. Record the drop in voltage. You should notice a drop anyways. That is yer base point of millivolts to add to the signal path. So if yer running .4 stock and it drops to .3 on booster then you start with 100MV. You may be in open loop.
hi still having trouble with this how many wire are coming out of the box and connected to the sensor ecm is it 2 or 3? I bench tested the unit and get a max out of the box wound right up (I know you wouldnt do that) of .465 is that right. Car still wont flutter Im pulling my hair out here.
the only thing i can think of where i am going wrong is. the wire that comes of the neg side of the batt and the other wire that forms the lop. I have connected together on the pot terminal. so 1 wire goes to the o2 side and then the wire that comes of the centre terminal of the pot to the ecm wire or course dissconected the plug and bridged the earth between two wire sensor. I can incress and decress the voltage still nothing.\interested in your ideas.
ECU Low is A22 (Pin 22 of Connector A)and wired directly to chassis ground.
The ECU attempts to force 0.45 volts to the O2 sensor, which is just a temp sensitive variable resistor. The ECU measures the change in this voltage,converts this to a voltage then to a rich/lean number. So, it appears that you must cut the wire or place the Poor Man EFIE in series with the O2/ECU for ODB1. Oh and what purpose does the lower horizontal line serve?
Actually I bleeve the O2 senser does not actually measure Oxygen but rather the hydrocarbons passing thru it. You can test this yerself by taking it out and heating it up then hold it in the air. It will not read anything.
The bottom wire I think is for cars that have a two wire sensor. Some have up to 4 wires on a narrow band sensor.
Like I said this is not my schematic but madscientist's so I do not know what the second wire is for other than a 2 wire system.
hi thanks for replying to me. I am still a bit confused. And not brite. So where does the earth go on this I get you take the sensor wire out from the 10k side of the 5k linear. But how does it earth and from what. Would this short out the batt> sorry for bugging you just want to get it right. man your vids are great.
Engine ground is earth ground. The O2 Sensor is screwed inter yer engine and you normally put a conductive paste on the threads. This will ground out your sensor to the engine while the internal part of the sensor acts as a positive lead. Hence the reason I disconnected mine. I cannot find a good enuff ground to carry 0-.5 volts back to the ECU.
Thank you. So the 1.5v Battery (-) is spliced to the O2 sensor and the free low side of the potentiometer. The ECU Input is connected to the potentiometer wiper . This is how it must be for an ODB-1 system like my 1990 Chevy 3.1 V6
So, to do this, the O2 Sensor has to be unplugged or opened or Cut somehow. No problem, verified in my factory service manual that the O2 Sensor / ECU interface is a one wire circuit with the Chassis serving as ther return/ground.
Yep, you got that right. i dont cut my wire though just in case I need to plug it back in case of an emergency. You would think that the computer would go into open loop mode if it does not see the O2 sensor after a warm up time but for some reason mine does not. I need to find out why that is. i can lean my car out to stall and the computer will not force open loop. Weird.
sorry wht dissconect the o2 sensor why not use the car body as an earth and connect or splice stright into the o2 sensor and just incress the voltage to what allready going to the 02 sensor. does this make sense?
sorry why dissconect the 02 sensor? why not leave it connected and use the car body as an earth and splice to the 02 Sensor? then just add the voltage. this way the comp would still see the pulse and more voltage with variations. making the computer think its lean. would this work and do I make any sense?
Engine earth grounds do not work well with such low voltages for one thing. Remember you are only injecting up to about 1/3 of a volt in the signal path.
On my ODB-1 truck this did not work. Now your instal may be different. You can try it and probe the results or see if indeed it works but it did not work for me. I get a much cleaner signal by disconnecting the sensor and loopin the EFIE in with the wires. Much better signal this way IMO.
hey just thought you woul like to know with the x rate from OZI dollar to yours we are paying nearly $7.54 a gallon here. Bloody hell they reckon in a few years $8 a ltr I movin your way.
I feel yer pain. :) I have been pushing the EFIE to .3 volts so far and doing great! I also installed a homemade steam trap and that helps out ALOT. And this weekend I will finish my new box with a built in PWM and EFIE. I am leaving space inside for a 12v fan and a MAP enhancer circuit. I am going to try and turn this whole system to 12 volts and step it down for the EFIE and keep the 12v for the PWM and fan. Video, hopefully coming soon. LOL
The circuit is the work of madscientist. He is on this channel and he sells COSM units that are the tits man! You should check him out. Google for COSM HHO and you'll find him. Nice guy and very knowledgeable.
Is it possible to get 1.5 v from another source? Maby hook the power from the ignition to a stepdown transformr giving a steady 1.5? Does that sound right?
labadazz1 8 months ago
i burned out the MAF sensor trying this. it didnt work for my vehicle. however, the 2 o2 sensors i have in my exhaust my 94 ford explorer are the only sensors ill ever need to enhance. despite what the other un-enhanced sensors are saying, the ECU will have no choice but to obey the enhanced voltage signal to lean out the mixture. remember, if you have coooold winters where you live, youll be able to lean out the mixture even more. winter air passing through the radiator drops engine temp ;)
bikr1975 9 months ago
I am having a tough time identifying the wires at the ECU (computer)
i think my O2 sensor colors are purple- tan (or beige) brown- brown
but there are more than a couple of browns and purples at the ECU harness.. how in the world do i find my O2 wires?
frank0067 9 months ago
so I'm kinda new to this stuff, what does this do? does its help with gas mileage?
screwopenborders 2 years ago
What I was doing in these vids is leaning out my car to overcome the onboard computer that was defeating my gains. You can use this without a fuel cell but I do not recommend it.
I, basically inject more voltage to the fluctuating voltage from an O2 Sensor to re-fool the ECU into thinking that I am burning rich instead of lean which an added fuel cell will do.
This does work but I do not use them anymore as I think the major focus should be to re-program our ECU's for added HHO.
DMBing 2 years ago
BTW, I will be hosting a live video show on ustream every Tuesday night starting the first week of October with some kewl electronic stuff, cell design and our new project we got going called the GreenBing project that will be unveiled Oct 1st. You can search for my show by using my nick there on ustream. Search for Bingers.
You can read about the new GreenBing project at our website. h21oDOTcom. Replace the DOT.
Hope to see y'all there.
Thanks
DMBing 3 years ago
Your rig is like mine, an f'n science lab. I love it man!
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EletrikRide 3 years ago
LOL. I Know it!
Hey, btw have you seen the vids I did with the PP resin in the cell and bubbler to help defeat the electrolyte burning off?
Search my vids for PP resin tests
You'd love it. There are some others in our group using it in installs now.
DMBing 3 years ago
Yeah, that's pretty cool. Like you said, it wont work in the cell, but it sounds like a good idea in the bubbler. Where did you get the beads?
EletrikRide 3 years ago
I git mine thru work cause we do injection molding but you can git them at Michaels Crafts. Look for Beanie baby stuffing or something like that. Rob from HigherPoweredH2o is gitting his there. You want PolyPropylene beads. Most resin suppliers will not even talk to you unless you are buying by the ton.
DMBing 3 years ago
I have an 84 Bronco and to get this efie device to work I had to take the pos wire of this efie and connect it to the one wire on my air sensor and connect the negitve wire to a ground. I dont think this is how you instructed me to hook it up but it does seem to work well. 84 Broncos have a primitive computor with a carberator. I cant tell you how much I appreciate your schematic. You saved me about $80 which is the going price now for an efie. And I can make my own now. Thank you so so much.
tsdfddd 3 years ago
Thanks. Glad it werked fer ya.
BTW, this schematic is from madscientist67 who is a fellow HHo enthusiast and a smart feller.
I just like simple things so I relived his video on this. Different cars take different methods but I would advise you to make sure that ground you got it real good as this is a very low voltage device and most cars do not have good engine grounds.
In the meantime look for more video's me and Rich Green have upcoming. This should be a blast!
DMBing 3 years ago
I'm from Texas but I'll be damned if my accent has that much kick. Love the video, and thank you VERY much!
LBpDC 3 years ago
Well thanks. Originally from FL but transplaneted to TN and my wife is from TN so I reckon I picked up the TN accent and just expounded on it. LOL
DMBing 3 years ago
If you all will run this video again and write down the link that appears at the top and come visit us you will find a much easier way to communicate on these videos. You will also find alot of schematics and advice from some of the best minds in the HHO business there.
We welcome you there and please sign up when you visit. You will not be sorry by this open source website!
DMBing 3 years ago
i guess you put slider to sensor wire, and perfect...it doesnt work and you cut it out?
john29302 3 years ago
not cuting nothing...your schematic says you have to cut it..."dont CUT no wire i know my schematic looks funny
john29302 3 years ago
I do not cut my wire but disconnect it from the pigtail plug. Splice one side into the leftover Sensor wire and the other side to the ECU end of the wire you disconnected. You sould not have to cut the wire unless it is in a harness and even then you can put a connector on each end so you can always put the sensor back together.
DMBing 3 years ago
Thanks for the video alot of great information. Im new to the whole hho scene i just got my first cell buit and Im now looking into to efies and map/maf sensor enhancers. Everyone using the map/maf sensor enhancer is using a o2 extender. Just wondering if you had any info on that and which I should be using an efie or the sensor enhancer. Thanks
Nanceyboy01 3 years ago
Re run this video and write down the link at the top. Visit there and register for all things HHO and advanced hydrogen cells. You will not regret it and its easier to communicate.
I have schematics there as well as alot of good advice from all sorts of people.
DMBing 3 years ago
hi there how did the update go? looking forward the the new plans. Went to my store today to get parts the build your efie. took 4 hrs round trip to get there they are usless (dick Smith) like radio shack i think. Any how didnt have any thing dispite calling then first. Any how had to ge a 25k linear instead. Hopw it works.
Nick
nickgc123 3 years ago
The unit works very well. I am playing around with fine tuning it now. I found I can vary my mileage by around 5% with the EFIE. The new 3 in one unit I am still trying to finish up. For some reason I lost two pots I bought and cant find them. LOL
Anyways, that 25k ohm pot you got will prolly werk but it's gonna be hard for you to fine tune that thing in. Look around and see if you got some old radio or something that might have a 5k pot in it. Good luck!
DMBing 3 years ago
Hi again Im having a wierd thing happen I took a reading from the o2 sensor and it going up and down from .30>.800 without the the efie. When i connect the efie and add voltage it doesnt seem to make any dif. I have the wires connected right and have tested the efie it pushes out a max of .415. I got the right pot for it any thoughts where I am going wrong. I turned it up and drove and got the eng man light on then turned it down and it went out. But on idle it doesnt make any dif.. HELP. Nick
nickgc123 3 years ago
If you have it wired correctly then you should notice the engine stalling at the higher milli-volts.
The thing to do here is to turn off yer fuel cell. Monitor the voltages across the O2 sensor and record the AVERAGE reading.
Next do the same with the booster on. Record the drop in voltage. You should notice a drop anyways. That is yer base point of millivolts to add to the signal path. So if yer running .4 stock and it drops to .3 on booster then you start with 100MV. You may be in open loop.
DMBing 3 years ago
hi still having trouble with this how many wire are coming out of the box and connected to the sensor ecm is it 2 or 3? I bench tested the unit and get a max out of the box wound right up (I know you wouldnt do that) of .465 is that right. Car still wont flutter Im pulling my hair out here.
Nick
nickgc123 3 years ago
the only thing i can think of where i am going wrong is. the wire that comes of the neg side of the batt and the other wire that forms the lop. I have connected together on the pot terminal. so 1 wire goes to the o2 side and then the wire that comes of the centre terminal of the pot to the ecm wire or course dissconected the plug and bridged the earth between two wire sensor. I can incress and decress the voltage still nothing.\interested in your ideas.
nickgc123 3 years ago
ECU Input High is ECU-A16 (Pin 16 of Connector A)
ECU Low is A22 (Pin 22 of Connector A)and wired directly to chassis ground.
The ECU attempts to force 0.45 volts to the O2 sensor, which is just a temp sensitive variable resistor. The ECU measures the change in this voltage,converts this to a voltage then to a rich/lean number. So, it appears that you must cut the wire or place the Poor Man EFIE in series with the O2/ECU for ODB1. Oh and what purpose does the lower horizontal line serve?
sallycdee 3 years ago
Actually I bleeve the O2 senser does not actually measure Oxygen but rather the hydrocarbons passing thru it. You can test this yerself by taking it out and heating it up then hold it in the air. It will not read anything.
The bottom wire I think is for cars that have a two wire sensor. Some have up to 4 wires on a narrow band sensor.
Like I said this is not my schematic but madscientist's so I do not know what the second wire is for other than a 2 wire system.
DMBing 3 years ago
hi thanks for replying to me. I am still a bit confused. And not brite. So where does the earth go on this I get you take the sensor wire out from the 10k side of the 5k linear. But how does it earth and from what. Would this short out the batt> sorry for bugging you just want to get it right. man your vids are great.
Nick
nickgc123 3 years ago
Engine ground is earth ground. The O2 Sensor is screwed inter yer engine and you normally put a conductive paste on the threads. This will ground out your sensor to the engine while the internal part of the sensor acts as a positive lead. Hence the reason I disconnected mine. I cannot find a good enuff ground to carry 0-.5 volts back to the ECU.
DMBing 3 years ago
Thank you. So the 1.5v Battery (-) is spliced to the O2 sensor and the free low side of the potentiometer. The ECU Input is connected to the potentiometer wiper . This is how it must be for an ODB-1 system like my 1990 Chevy 3.1 V6
So, to do this, the O2 Sensor has to be unplugged or opened or Cut somehow. No problem, verified in my factory service manual that the O2 Sensor / ECU interface is a one wire circuit with the Chassis serving as ther return/ground.
(Lumina 1990 page 8A-21-4)
sallycdee 3 years ago
Yep, you got that right. i dont cut my wire though just in case I need to plug it back in case of an emergency. You would think that the computer would go into open loop mode if it does not see the O2 sensor after a warm up time but for some reason mine does not. I need to find out why that is. i can lean my car out to stall and the computer will not force open loop. Weird.
DMBing 3 years ago
sorry wht dissconect the o2 sensor why not use the car body as an earth and connect or splice stright into the o2 sensor and just incress the voltage to what allready going to the 02 sensor. does this make sense?
nickgc123 3 years ago
sorry why dissconect the 02 sensor? why not leave it connected and use the car body as an earth and splice to the 02 Sensor? then just add the voltage. this way the comp would still see the pulse and more voltage with variations. making the computer think its lean. would this work and do I make any sense?
nickgc123 3 years ago
Engine earth grounds do not work well with such low voltages for one thing. Remember you are only injecting up to about 1/3 of a volt in the signal path.
On my ODB-1 truck this did not work. Now your instal may be different. You can try it and probe the results or see if indeed it works but it did not work for me. I get a much cleaner signal by disconnecting the sensor and loopin the EFIE in with the wires. Much better signal this way IMO.
DMBing 3 years ago
Sorry to tick you off. I only asked once. But thanks for the schematics anyway.
YoTommy1 3 years ago
Oh thats ok. I was just razzin the masses anyways. Like 3 peeps asked for em and I was hella busy that week. :)
DMBing 3 years ago
hey just thought you woul like to know with the x rate from OZI dollar to yours we are paying nearly $7.54 a gallon here. Bloody hell they reckon in a few years $8 a ltr I movin your way.
Thanks for your help
Nick
nickgc123 3 years ago
I feel yer pain. :) I have been pushing the EFIE to .3 volts so far and doing great! I also installed a homemade steam trap and that helps out ALOT. And this weekend I will finish my new box with a built in PWM and EFIE. I am leaving space inside for a 12v fan and a MAP enhancer circuit. I am going to try and turn this whole system to 12 volts and step it down for the EFIE and keep the 12v for the PWM and fan. Video, hopefully coming soon. LOL
DMBing 3 years ago
Nice and simple circuit...thanks for your effort..really appreciate it...
joedanial 3 years ago
The circuit is the work of madscientist. He is on this channel and he sells COSM units that are the tits man! You should check him out. Google for COSM HHO and you'll find him. Nice guy and very knowledgeable.
DMBing 3 years ago