Anonymous Scientology Debate part 1

[popnstart]

"V" is against the practices of Scientology, so..... I am too!!

[Shadowking640]

I AM PROUD TO BE ANON

[Zombie1990]

Damn, the dude in the wrestling mask is fucking smart. I am gaining more respect for anonymous every time I see them.

[miraj0072004]

I think it's tom cruise under the mask ;)

[crommunication]

blablabla your all a bunch of crazy fucks,just smoke a fatty and listen to led zeppelin.

[ChuckyDyoyo]

Fuck Scientology and all its followers

[raltaki]

This guy is a beast. The red masked dude is a great

[dustinhare]

theres no science in scientology its a bs throw money in a pot to try and feel better about urself they dont belive in phycitrist because thats how they make there money aduiting you.

[WESTSIDEGENIUS]

i rather be an evolutionist than a scientologist. Even though im a Chirstian REAL science makes sooooooooooo much more since this crap

[danielyeh]

real science...like evolution?

[WESTSIDEGENIUS]

all science expect evolution/big bang

[danielyeh]

lol....

except? i'd say christians are pretty much as deluded as this poor scientologist here.

[WeareLegion1000]

@danielyeh really? for believing the same thing our nation wasa founded upon? you know christianity is logical. thats why theres proof. you jst dont want to admit it. you will eventually . you will.

[danielyeh]

@WeareLegion1000

nope you're just deluded.

[iamboy1234]

As much as I'm on Anonymous' side, it's hard to be taken seriously when you look like a Japanese professional wrestler.

[jashugan1]

By his logic, if you want to get an objective view of Hitler, you should ask a Nazi.

Civilized maybe, but still a lying piece of shit.

[waterplo12]

That is what the mormons tell you too. If you want to know about mormons you should go ask a mormon. Does not make sense. If you want to know about something you read all sides about it.

[frogzzee]

They Scientologist are unaware . because D M gangs and thugs keep them in the dark...

because if they Scientologist ever looked into the matter they would get SICK...

Protest Scientology active fair game policy

.greed , and hate , and familey disconnection.

[theflyingdr]

this is probably the nicest calmest scientologist I've seen so far... however the speaker for anonymous seems incredibly intellectual and cleans up in the debate.

[CondorDM]

Ok lets clear one statement i seen on here up, "rare number of priest raped choir boys", umm ok lets get down to numbers.

This has been going on in the church for hundreds of years+, world it has been world wide.

Thousands of priest raping boys is not a small number/ rare number(note priest raped multi boys each), so victims of the christian faith(where not including the teaching of hell fire here and many more issues related to this faith) out numbers victims of cos, it is a scary gap.

[CondorDM]

cos has nothing on the christian belief and cos has nothing on the christian faith that has destroyed trillions of lives over our history.

Not a fan of cos, i am and atheist.

[3030anon]

But that is over thousands of years in barbaric times where people still believed that the Earth was flat and sea-monsters were a lagitimate water-hazard.

This is now. This cult has only existed for around 50 years and they are already responsible for over a hundred cases of $cientology-related suicides, wrongful-deaths of people placed in their care and murder of those who criticized them.

While a rare number of priests raped choir boys, ALL of this cult believe in Fair Game.

[WeareLegion1000]

@CondorDM how has christianity destroyed trillions of lives? the catholic priests have screwed up immensely, but that's not the christian faith. thats a branch that says it s christian. that doesnt mean jack. christianity promotes peace, helpin those in need, not boasting, giving to the poor, etc. I dont see how that is ruining lives.

[Gethsemaneful]

@WeareLegion1000 Actually, the Catholic Church is the original Church founded by Christ, not some guy that had a bright idea from reading the Bible (which Catholic's put together, by the way. -You're welcome) Molsetation wasn't a Catholic thing. Only 1.7% of Catholic priests were involved in that. A Conservative Protestant seminary polled graduates and found the rate was 10% among their own. Plus 300 000 cases per year in public schools in the US = 1 in 7 girls molested by a teacher.

[drsambo74]

@Gethsemaneful almost everything youve just said there is wrong. the catholic church isnt the first church quite simply because it wasnt founded until years after christ had died and all the disciples had spread,there is more than that to say but i will try to keep it simple check up on it, plus catholics wherent the people who put the canon of the bible together it was the early christians and jews FACT., plus you say only 1.7% of priests where child molesters well dont you think thats still wa

[drsambo74]

@drsambo74 dont you think thats still way to much plus you seem to say it proudly , and another thing if they have discovered that its 1.7% you need to also realise there is more acounts of child molestation from catholic priests coming out in the open every day and they will continue to be more for that iam sure.

[Gethsemaneful]

@drsambo74 Sorry mate, history and the Bible is against you. The Church was founded before Christ death by Christ. (Matthew 16:18) The word "catholic" was first used to describe the Church in 107AD by St. Ignatius of Antioch. Catholic simply means universal. After much debate among Christians alone, the full canon of Scripture was announced at the Roman Council in 383AD. The Jews don't recognise Jesus as the Messaih, remember? They changed the OT in 70AD to prevent conversions.

[drsambo74]

@Gethsemaneful sorry but no history isnt against me at all, if by catholic church you mean universal church as in all of christianity then fair enough but if by catholic you meen the Roman catholic church the pope vatican etc then you are wrong cos that didnt start till augastine decided he seen a cross in the sky telling him to go murder people in jesus name,

[guineapiggyman]

@Gethsemaneful uh sorry, but YOURE wrong. christianity was not founded in christs time. jesus barely had any followers back then, and they were gnostics. the founding of christianity/cath. as it is today, was started hundreds of years later. did you know that not ONE book of the bible was actually written by the person its named for? and the fact that no part of the bible can be traced back further than 150ad. this means that until the bible was written down, it was strictly word of mouth...

[Gethsemaneful]

@guineapiggyman Incorrect, sorry. The Church was indeed founded by Jesus Christ. None of the people who followed Christ were gostic, they all believed him. I believe you're refering to the heresy of gnosticism which came about in the first century AD by people who didn't believe Jesus Christ and formed their own religious beliefs which were easier for them to follow. We know the Church existed because of the the first Popes of which Peter and Clement are mentioned in the Bible.

[Gethsemaneful]

@guineapiggyman Further, the books of the Bible were usually named for the content, not the author. That's why first and second Samuel talk about Samuel's role, 1 and 2 Kings are about the kings of Israel, etc. You are partially right about the dating. For the New Testament, the earliest book we have is dated to 70AD. Jesus said to go out and tell the good news, not to write everything down. They probably started writing things down when lot's of the first followers started to die.

[Gethsemaneful]

@guineapiggyman The Old Testament though, is a different story. Carbon dating of the Red Sea Scrolls -the Old Testament or Torah- have been dated to between 150 BC and 70 BC. They're significant because they contain nearly the entire OT and that the scripts we've been using contain no major errors. There are older scripts, of course, but those are also partial records.

[guineapiggyman]

@Gethsemaneful yes, but again, the old testament book took place in the years supposedly (way) prior to 150 BC, so just becauseit was written in BCE, doesnt mean its any more reliable. its still A LONG TIME AFTER THE FACT. just look at some stories that got blown out of proportion in less than 50 yrs today (ie: Roswell, Philadelphia exp., Nanking, Vietnam, etc...)

[Gethsemaneful]

@guineapiggyman You make a good point. But you see, we cannot know for certain whether these events are indeed exaggerations or not. We ourselves were not present. But apart from the Dead Sea Scrolls, we also have secular records that have been kept by conquering empires, etc. There is also a great deal of archaeological evidence that has been left behind -from armour to pottery to bones. We can be as certain about the events spoken of in the OT as we can of any other ancient culture.

[Gethsemaneful]

@drsambo74 This editted version of the OT is what most Protestants use as the OT instead of the Septuagint which is what Jesus used and quotes from which is verified by comparing the references in the Greek NT to that of the Septuagint and finding that they match up perfectly. Oh, and I'm not proud that even one Priest has done such acts. And by the way, those accounts are old accounts the news has decided to run, not new. Most of the victims are in their 30s -40s if you actually read them.

[drsambo74]

@Gethsemaneful no you are wrong once again about the accounts of child molestation there are new accounts of recent incidents coming out all the time in places where its been going on for years and still continues but for some reason they can get away with it cos the pope has a weird way of saying sorry and just moving the priests on and some how this EVIL church to some extent get away with it. the roman catholic church is possibly the most evil organisation in the world a one which christ

[drsambo74]

@drsambo74 a one which christ will one day destroy and expose in front of the entire world, i know its a bit of a cliche but the Pope is an extremely evil figure in this world and holy he most certainly is not. and as farv as who put the original canon of the bible together i dont realy care cos it is an interpretation of an interpretation of an interpretation so on and so on

[Gethsemaneful]

@drsambo74 "That this is a rebellious people, lying children, children that will not hear the law of the LORD: Which say to the seers, See not; and to the prophets, Prophesy not unto us right things, speak unto us smooth things, prophesy deceits: Get you out of the way, turn aside out of the path, cause the Holy One of Israel to cease from before us. Wherefore thus saith the Holy One of Israel, Because ye despise this word, and trust in oppression and perverseness, and stay thereon: ...

[Gethsemaneful]

@drsambo74 ... Therefore this iniquity shall be to you as a breach ready to fall, swelling out in a high wall, whose breaking cometh suddenly at an instant. And he shall break it as the breaking of the potters' vessel that is broken in pieces; he shall not spare: so that there shall not be found in the bursting of it a sherd to take fire from the hearth, or to take water withal out of the pit." Isaiah 30:9-14 Grace be with you my friend as you continue to search for the Truth. God bless you.

[drsambo74]

@Gethsemaneful iam not sure wether that was an attack on me or an agreement, please explain

[Gethsemaneful]

@drsambo74 It was both a warning and a blessing. You state I am in the wrong and make no effort to back up your claims which I am done. Until you are willing to back up what you say is historical, and are willing to have a civil discussion about either pedophillia or the Catholic Church there is no point in continuing. I also ask that you message me if you wish to continue since either topic has nothing to do with the video and is in that case considered spam.

[thepoet82]

Man, I thought the one guy was Ben Bernanke. Quite a shock. :D

[Anon1260]

Lose point for not going for the jugular and describing fair game etc

[HeliosFire9ll]

Thats good, civil debate than street fighting

[iamitchey]

At least this guy is willing to speak with the protesters. I think he has a good chance to wake up, if he could hear more of the other side.

[Chomskyno1]

Wish the guy filming would be quiet, other than that it was very informative. Thank you.

[Nades129]

Now thats an anon!! luchAdor!!

[Snarkonymous]

Good job representing yourselves Anon and the scilon gets my respect as well for arguing his point without bull baiting or asking what your crimes are.

[MagikFingaz604]

Y'all didn't know?? Vancouver Anon's get it done son

[oschaper]

The masked guy does not care about whatever any of the answers.

[DKHellsing]

Is that a Rey Mysterio Mask?

[grimreaper872]

Guy Fawkes.

[omen4669]

He's referring to the luchador mask.

[cloak616]

Gotta love well-informed anons.

On to part two!

[scrumpmonkey]

all hail logic!!

[100flyingfish]

I love that guys mask

[Deltar2r]

The world is filled with delusional people. Me paps told me when i was a kid, i never believed him when i was a kid, blindly trusting that the world must be filled with willing intelligent and prospering people. I was wrong and i feel ashamed for the whole human race that we have people, movements like this and whats even worse, that instead of mendin their ways they lead other ppl to their demise.

[LovelyYTRocks]

I was there!

[Ogsonofgroo]

Yay Vanons!!!!

*clap*

5stars

[lovelara2]

Scientologist's need to stop comparing themselves to the Nazis. I mean they may have lots in common with them, but still...

[Gasparro18]

scientologists are nazis beyond comparision. Thier a terrible cult.

[angloman1]

good work men, nice masks.....lol

Keep informing the world!!

Scientologists are just misinformed

[t0yo]

<3~~~

[buttons333]

Thanks for posting.

Seeds of doubt have been planted.

Give him credit for listening.

[xemutv]

Them masks are so stupid.If they really wanted to know who you were they would follow you home or use special hearing devices.

[scotland567]

obvious troll is obvious.

Xemutv how does it feel to be known to all anonymous you are a scilon?

[Japantiem]

You scientologists are so incredibly dense.

[lovelara2]

Oooo, what else would they do? Please, tell us more....

[MrFyde]

giddians give the bibles to hotels (from what I understand)

[kdb955]

Excellent vid. important conversation.

most scientologists are just people looking for a way to make their lives better.

the upper managment of scientology are murdering monsters most criminals would not associate with.

you planted seeds of doubt. that is how truth grows.

[nogodscanuck]

kudos for wrestling anon. Too polite for me. Voice in back made good points. Giillian bibles are give to hotels free. We are not protesting the batshit they believe. We are protesting their really life actions; bull baiting, fairgameing, disconnection, finance fraud, sea org slavery, RPF treatment, etc.,etc.

[IamScn]

LOOK!! Pro wrestling has taken over anonymous which only proves that it is fake!

[cometdave]

Next time you are up against the defense of 'go to the source' we might start answering with 'Like the KKK, NAMBLA, the People's Temple, and Heaven's Gate?'. Of course you don't go to the 'source' on those orgs to get your information. They are either reprehensible or just plain deluded. I didn't need to speak to David Koresh to realize he wasn't the son of god [or Charles Manson either for that matter]!

[imitata]

this line they always use "If you want the truth about scientology, go to the church and ask them" is starting to piss me off. It's like saying "If you want to know the truth about liars, ask the liars!"

[kdb955]

lol instant classic.

[snot108]

Another example is the gradient. In "learning" as well as "mind control" it is done on a gradient. Liek boiling a lobster from cold water, they don't even notice the gradual change until their goose is cooked! SO analyze the "study tech" and it tells you about their hypnosis tech!

[ot5auditor]

guys, you did great, but "talked" bit too much over the gentleman. He is the first Scientologist you've talked with that didn't ask you "What are your crimes". Great job, but too many people talking and gives an impression of overpowering him. At least he talked.

On another note, great job for getting someone to actually talk. I hope that Scientology uses people like him to represent themself, instead of the scorched earth policy.

[snot108]

Usual first argument is you have to read their stuff. However, Hubbard, who knows full well the effect of "misunderstood words" is to put the reader in "trance" or place numbers of incomplete ideas before them until they are in effect hypnotized. That's why even though learning "tech" involves no misunderstoods, he intentionally creates neologisms, obtuse arguments, ridiculous sentences. He was after all a master hypnotist. So, DONT READ THE BOOKS...BOOKS CAN KILL!!!!!  OR be forewarned.