I feel for the men and women who want to work. I don't think they realize that they are doing more good with their trading and coupons. They are learning to be self sufficient without the need for government interference. They may not see what they are doing as honorable but I certainly think it is!
Actualmente Argentina es uno de los paises con mejor economia del mundo y la tasa de pobreza y desempleo no superan el 8% mientras q en paises como Mexico son enormes y lideramos en PER capita.
@LKratHoZ NO SEAS HABLADOR MEXICO ES LA ECONOMIA#8 Y ARGENTINA LA #21 Y SI NO LO CREES AQUI TE DEJO LA PAGINA OFFICIAL DEL BANCO MUNDIAL DONDE ESTAN PLASMADAS LAS MEJORES ECONOMIAS DEL MUNDO JAJAJA
@vrisval Jajaja como es q no sabes de esto, al referirse 8# no se refiere a mejor economia, se refiere al PBI -.- La India esta en los 8# pero tiene mucha pobreza, con economia uno no se refiere al PBI se refiere a calidad de vida, indice de pobreza, per capita y Pib Nominal, Mexico solo tiene mas PBI pero en pobreza hay mas pobreza alli que en Argentina, per capita aqui es mas alto jejeje pobre piensas que economia es solo PBI DIOS MIO LO QUE TE ESPERA.
@LKratHoZ jajajaja a quien quieres engañar argentino por si no sabias el banco mundial no solo refleja la economia,si no tambien la calidad de vida,educaccion ,salud,idh etc no seas ignorante
aqui te dejo todas esas estadisticas para que te bajes de tu nube de pedos directitas desde la pagina official del banco mundial
@vrisval O por dios Si que eres tonto, el banco mundial es obvio que se refleja en muchos indices pero al decir que Mexico es 8# te referis al PBI y no a su economia, al decir 8# decis en el PBI como cuando uno dice que Argentina es el 8# pais mas grande, me refiero al territorio no es la 8va mejor economia, no seas bruto si en Mexico hay mucha pobreza segun datos de la ONU o fijate Per capita, ONU 2011, o desigualdad...
@LKratHoZ animal al parecer no quieres ver la verdad esos links estan basados en estadisticas de la onu y del banco mundial argentina tiene mucha pobreza,ya bajate de tu nube de pedos eres ARGENTINO no eres suizo o holandes para que estes hablando de pobreza que falta ahora que venga osama bin laden a hablar de terrorismo?
el pib nominal es la economia de un pais y que mierdas tiene que ver el territorio si no les sirve de nada no es un pais con biodiversidad,turismo,petroleo,economia,
@vrisval En cuanto a territorio fue un ejemplo, bruto y los links si son sobre un pais, pero fijate pelotudo CUANDO DIJISTE A 8# NO TE REFERISTE A MEJOR ECONOMIA TE REFERIS A PBI NO PIB NOMINAL, NO SEAS TAN BOLUDO PARA QUE DECIS QUE MEXICO ES EL 8# EN MEJOR ECONOMIA PORQUE SON 8# EN PBI PERO EN MEJOR ECONOMIA NO SON 8# Y FIJATE EN LA ONU BOLUDO Y FIJATE IINDICES DE POBREZA Y VERAS QUE ARGENTINA TIENE 9.9% Y MEXICO TIENE MAS, ME MANDAS LINKS Q NO TIENEN Q VER CON EL PBI.
@vrisval Peso Bruto Interno, eso es PBI que es de donde se saca la cantidad de dinero y bienes de un pais, y eso que el INDEC miente es falso, es mas ya el FMI intervino sobre los controles del INDEC y aclaro los temas, y no son 8# en economia cuando me lo dijiste y por eso dije que ustds si son 8# pero del PESO BRUTO INTERNO y creo que tienen algo de 1.4 billones y por eso. Y en otros paises, vienen aqui a estudiar los modelos economicos, sino mira la cantidad de cosas que logramos.
@vrisval y la cantidad de cosas que exportamos, el FMI y el pais no tuvieron una buena relacion, porque en el 2001 gracias al FMI y empresas privadas nuestro pais estuvo en bancarrota. Ya el FMI esta controlando al INDEC, y aun no se dijo nada... y de pobreza es evidente q no conoces Argentina, no es necesario ver al INDEC, con solo ver a una ciudad te das cuenta de lo que bajo la pobreza aqui, alla mas de 50m de mexicanos estan en pobreza, lo escuche en un canal venezolano.
@LKratHoZ jaja cada canal dice lo que quiere un canal colombiano dice todo lo contrario si quieres te pego el link para que veas,y no mientas todo el norte de tu pais esta super pobre,te la pongo mas facil metete a google earth 3d o google maps y te daras cuenta en el satelite como se vive en argentina sobre todo en lugares como el chaco,jujuy las casas y coches etc
y las imagenes del satelite son como del 2009 y 2010,pero bueno el que sabe en el fondo que es verdad eres tu,no tengo que discutir
@FantomasMXss tu estas culpando a las victimas no a los victimarios de que equipo mexicano de mierda tu habla por que ? tu no sale de tu miseria mental y mira quines son los que tienen el mundo jodido te mando desde aqui un fuerte chinga tu madre
If and when there is a dollar collapse - copying an idea that is already successful - sooner rather than later, might actually save lives.
Preppers who now believe that armament is imperative, might find that bartering is more prosperous. But certainly, it is more peaceful. I have always tried to "stock extra" so that I have something to offer in trade.
Why is the governent supporting this? Do they get taxes on the barter? Or did they give up on these people so totally that they just want them doing anything that will keep them supplied with the necessities of life without the Gov. having to pay anything? To keep them from rioting in the streets due to hunger?
That woman who is ashamed understands that what she does in the network IS WORK, but she doesn't understand that those coupons are MONEY, just as valid as any otherwise worthless piece of paper that a government produces. Only Physical metals of value (gold, silver, copper, nickel, etc) are real money that have in themselves intrinsic worth due to scarcity or industrial uses. Good for these people, they are excluding the governent that screwed them and are organizing for their own good.
@leaualorin TRUEQUE was part of the economic sistem of Aztecs in Mexico. Interesting that most Argentinians make fun of Mexicans because their Indian heritage and now they're adopting the Aztec economic sistem for survive!! I hope Argentinians learn about this situation and see with respect to Mexicans and their ancestors heritage!!! Poor people!!!
WE SHOULD BRING THIS PROGRAM TO THE UNITED STATES!!!! New York would be a great Place to start!!! This is amazing!!!!! Please share it on Facebook, make it available to everybody!!! This is the answer!!!!!!
@TheNightlover77 Πιστευω πως ηδη το ξερεις,αλλα υπαρχουν ηδη παρομοια προγραμματα και στην χωρα μας:η Τοπικη Εναλλακτικη Μοναδα στο Βολο,ο Οβολος στην Πατρα, και αν δεν υπαρχουν κι αλλα τετοια,συντομα θα γινουν και θα αντικαταστησουν το ευρο..Δεν ξερω τι λες,αλλα εμενα μου φαινεται σαν να πηγαινουμε για φουντο.
@dragunovSVD95 φιλε πιστευω και εγω οτι θα παμε για αναρδιαρθρωση χρεους μεσα στο 2012...να παμε να μας βαλουν βαζελινη δηλαδη για να μη μας πονεσει τοσο πολυ.....εγω ζω στ επαρχια και πιστευω οτι ειναι πολυ καλυτερα τα πραματα εδω απο οτι στις πολεις αν καταλαβαινεις τι εννοω
@TheNightlover77 Οντως τα πραγματα πρεπει να ειναι πιο χαλαρα στην επαρχια και προφανως θα την περασει πιο χαλαρα οσο ναναι στα χρονια που ερχονται.Ομως αυτη η αντιθεση επαρχιας-αστικων κεντρων(Αθηνας ειδικα) δεν βοηθαει τοσο στον συγχρονισμο τον κινητοποιησεων.Μην με παρεξηγησεις αλλα πιστευω πως αυτοι που ζουν στην επαρχια,χωρις να εχουν επαφη με την πρωτευουσα ειναι απομακρυσμενοι απο την πραγματικοτητα.Το σιγουρο ειναι παντως οτι θα τα παρουν απο ολους,και με το ολους εννοειται παντα ο λαος.
@dragunovSVD95 φιλε μου εννοω οτι στην επαρχια ειναι λιγοτερα τα εξοδα απο την πολη και το κοστος ζωης της καθημερινοτητας αν θες ειναι πιο μικρο σε σχεση με τις πολεις...ολοι εδω εχουμε ενα σπιτι να ζησουμε , ολοι εχουμε απο καποιο κτημα , ολοι λιγο πολυ θα βοηθησουμε ο ενας τον αλλον στη αναγκη.....δεν ειναι απροσωπα τα πραφματα οπως στις πολεις....και οταν λεω επαρχια μην νομιζεις οτι ζω σε κανενα βουνο..ειμαι 3 ωρες απο αθηνα και 20 λεπτα απο θεσνικη...ξερεις ποσοι εχουν επιστρεψει εδω?
@TheNightlover77 Αν θες τη γνωμη μου ο τριτος τομεας της οικονομιας εχει αναπτυχθει υπερβολικα,σε τετοιο βαθμο που ειναι ελαττωματικος για την οικονομια και προκαλει κρισεις.Αυτος ειναι και ο λογος που η επαρχια θα ανακαμψει(-πτει) γρηγοροτερα.
i love this people helping people to unite to survive i think us Americans need to watch out where going the same route as Argentina due to what the banks getting free pass and stuff. What is scar is US people are all about them selves its sad but true
Today, Argentina is one of the richest, most expensive places in the world. They have money hanging out of their ears and the prices are sky high. The currant Argentines carry a big chip on their shoulders and have an arrogant attitude. Professional pick-pockets ride the subway system. Foreigners are treated as ATM machines.
The reason that everything government touches turns to shit is because government is violence & must rely on it's own ability to do violence in order to exist & violence is not a solution to any problems, ever. All it does is create more problems but they want you to believe you actually need them to solve social problems when in reality we only need each other.
Reminds me of colonial script that was printed during the time of the 13 colonies, well before the revolutionary war. The producer of Money Masters documentary would likely have some interesting things to say about their newly printed currency.
I can't believe that the aftermath of Argentina's economic collapse is still wreaking havoc. These are all survival methods. This isn't life. It takes too long to get back on your feet living this way. In fact, these are the problems in other Latin American countries. You just live and never progress.
I can't believe that the aftermath of Argentina's economic collapse is still wreaking havoc. These are all survival methods. This isn't life. It takes too long to get back on your feet living this way. In fact, these are the problem in other Latin American countries. You just live and never progress.
to help live without money google The Freeconomy Community and join the site justfortheloveofit dote org , where every one help each other just for the love of it
God Bless them for finding a way to survive and God willing THRIVE.
We in the USA should heed what has happened to Argentina as a warning to our future if we don't rid our country of the JP MORGAN, CHASE, CITIBANK, B of Am, and Corporations that are doing the same thing here.
If your one of the ones that are more interested in American Idol than whats happening in the country, then we're doomed.
WAKE UP AMERICA, quit sipping the KOOL AIDE
Trade your Greenbacks for Gold, Silver and FOOD. No DEBT!
What a briliant idea! Nothing really new, it is a real free market. Unfortunatly in America you would be put in jail for exchanging your made goods and not paying taxes to FED
It better to live without money just like The Freeconomy Community justfortheloveofit dote org where every one help each other just for the love of it
We're not argentina...we're a worldwide economic leader, and U.S. citizens are completely insane, and much more populous. I hope this is a telltale of what will happen, but I don't have faith in the citizens here sry.
@TruthfullyRude Thank you Rudy. I know that the United States is a special case. And I know that most of the citizens are twisted by and are controlled by the influence of the media. But our future is up to us, we the people, not the politicians that make profits off of us. Our economy is going down. No doubt about it. But it is up to us to place our agendas into action, not to be slaves to the system that controls the masses. Teach other to resist. Teach reading freedom and research!
That won't be enough...It's time for people to just stop talking, bitching, and complaining. It's scary times ahead of our country people are placing blind faith into people that are continuing to backstabbing them. A select few need to stand up, and others will follow.
@TruthfullyRude Teaching might not be enough, but once taught, a person knows why and what they are fighting for. The few that you are speaking of must know what they are talking about for others to follow. You and I are not in disagreement at all. The first six months after the initial collapse will be hell to live through. After that the few will step forward. Thank you.
I would very thankful if an argetinian viewer can tell me how is the situation now in the country. Can a family live now in a city with safety? i found a lot similarities between greek and argentinian women, but our main flaw that our people are not so united. They also believe that they are clever, but i dont think that they will have the guts to do what argentinian people did in 2000. Women display initiative to do many things but greek are not so open- minded to imagine future developments
@vasiliki755 - the difference will not be a result of complementary currency. Or guts. What saved Argentina from disaster wasn't their distrust of politicians and anger at the results produced by corruption and incompetence. They distrusted politicians and were angry at the corruption / incompetence, but that's not what saved the nation. If their guts or cleverness were a factor, they would have elected competent politicians who run on anti-corruption platforms. They didn't do that. ...
@vasiliki755 - what saved Argentina was either sheer fluke or a happy by-product of taking elections away from people too stupid to elect competent representatives to manage what really is rather simple economic policies, which are only very difficult to implement as a result of corruption being a tough fight and people too stupid to elect politicians with probity, who would make the job a lot easier from the Opposition benches (current US example). Or coalition benches (current Thai example).
@vasiliki755 - one man saved Argentina, or at least, he led the recovery. Which was ridiculously simple, though unfathomably hard to sell to a stupid populace. The nation and them were not worth what they believed. They could recover, with tough measures. The measures are embarrassingly simple, in theory. But stupid people make implementation unfathomably complex. Argentina was saved by Lavagna. He was selected to save Argentina, by a President who wasn't elected President by Argentina.
@yoyojemojo blame the people who actually suffered when things went wrong? niiiiiiiiiice. also: "one man saved the day: superman". no one is stupid enough to belive that.
@welcometoskyvalley - Though it will no doubt come as a shock to you, it is actually possible to both cause a problem, and then suffer from the effects of the problem you created. I know. Illuminating, thought-provoking stuff. I do hope you were sitting down. Superman did not save Argentina. Lavagna, the Minister for Economy and Production, who wasn't elected, posted record primary surpluses by "saying no to the vested interests", i.e. sheer probity. Fired by Kirchner for criticising graft.
@yoyojemojo your sarcasm is annoying. the people were deceived, in words of the ex-president me*em "if i would have told them what i was going to do, they wouldnt have voted me". so, its not the people who chose wrong and suffered the consequences, people were deceived, and before that, before the 90's, the dictatorship absolutely destroyed the country, and the people had no say in that. blaming this on "the people" is a mistake.
@welcometoskyvalley - In a democratic system, the buck does not stop with the president (Teddy Roosevelt was wrong). The buck stops with the electorate who continually voted in (and continue to vote in) corrupt governments and endless politicians mired in vested interests. The hero that saved Argentina was fired by the President shortly after, when he criticised obvious corruption. When you investigate the electorate's reaction to that outrage, you will understand....
@yoyojemojo you know a lot! but the fact that people were deceived is as true as the fact that they were annihilated by a dictatorship supported by big corporate interests. so, is it really fair to say "you brought this to yourselves?" as for lavagna... if we consider the recovery of an entire nation the act of a single man instead of a collective effort... i dont know, i think is simplifying too much. oh, also, what case of corruption are you talking about?
@welcometoskyvalley - The people are deceived sure, but if you look at the guys every democratic nation votes in..it's more sheer apathy from the electorate. People are lazy, or they identify themselves with Left or Right and they vote in the blocs because their union leader or minister or favourite TV host tells them to. They don't take their responsibilities seriously, and they vote in guys with hands in the till. And then cry when surprise, surprise...things go to custard.
@welcometoskyvalley - Then a hero like Lavagna emerges to save them. They express no gratitude, quite the opposite in fact. In comes Kirchner and his cronies on the back of an election win, Lavagna the patriot sees corruption he doesn't like, comments on it, SO LONG ARGENTINE HERO.
FT.com: "Mr Lavagna said there had been over-pricing in a number of public contracts to build roads. That was taken as a direct attack on Julio De Vido, the planning minister and a confidante of the president."
Iam very impressed by your people, especially the argetinian women. Iam from greece, a country which is threated by an economic collapse. I am scared for the future of my country and for the safety of my children. The fact is that greeks are not as patriots as argtentinians. This is atributed mainly to the fact that a large proportion of population in greece consists of foreingers. i am thinging of moving to a village, where i can do some farming to sypport my family.
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You have to say which is this video is. Because this is 2001/2002. We're not Switzerland but we're much better now. We had 20% of unemployment and now it's in 8/9%. We had 50% of poor people, and now we're on 23/25%.
Iam very impressed by your people, especially the argetinian women. Iam from greece, a country which is threated by an economic collapse. I am scared for the future of my country and for the safety of my children. The fact is that greeks are not as patriots as argtentinians. This is atributed mainly to the fact that a large proportion of population in greece consists of foreingers. i am thinging of moving to a village, where i can do some farming to sypport my family.
Iam very impressed by your people, especially the argetinian women. Iam from greece, a country which is threated by an economic collapse. I am scared for the future of my country and for the safety of my children. The fact is that greeks are not as patriots as argtentinians. This is atributed mainly to the fact that a large proportion of population in greece consists of foreingers. i am thinging of moving to a village, where i can do some farming to sypport my family.
@mscanepa I think all dont need to work FOR MONEY or without money to live peacefully .If only one third of the earth population works according to the concept of PAY IT FORWARD site justfortheloveofit dote org alternatively google THE FREECONOMY COMMUNITY . we can all live happily. In reality people themselve who dont move their body will realize they will get sick if they dont so eventually all will work just for the love of it without money and people should work for their needs not greed
no, yo se que todas las estadisticas oficiales de la Republica Corruptisima Argentina, son todas truchas.
lo que pasa esque la gente de afuera se cree que esta tdo bien en Arg. por que creen estas estadisticas.
hay que buscar informacion de estudios privados y compararlos y sacas algo masmenos real. sabias que los ultimos estudios del INDEC dicen un 9,9 de pobreza!!! haha eso es una tomadura de pelo ya!
estudios priv. 30% y mas. para solucionar los problemas primero hay que aceptarlos
@LuqmanNaq There's actually not as much of it as even the (local) media would have you think. It is no where near what it is in Brazil or Venezuela You can walk by many of the villas during the day and not have anything bad happen. There are more scam artists and armed robbers than anythng else. It must be said that it is the only place in the world where you'll be robbed at gunpoint and have the robber apologize, and hand you back money for a taxi.
@overseachininadoll This is 2001, not 2010! This is not the situation today (thanks god :)
We are much better since we say goodbye IMF :D
(We are not in heaven, but things are much better now)
This "trueque" thing... It was ten years ago, a huge crisis, but many people starts to forget it... (Strange country, isn't it?) We shouldn't forget that :(
This year (2010) we celebrate our Bicentennial in a far better economic situation.
THATS ARGENTINA OR EUROPE???? hahahaha stupids argetinians sudakas cartoneros niggas uglys of shit,,,put the soccer into your asshole,,,,very very ugly people in argetina ,,,argentina is an big piece of shit
As far I have researched-The Zeitgeist Movement is the only Group out there that has brought up some Real and Tangible Solutions to ACTUALLY SOLVE OUR ECONOMICAL, SOCIAL & ECOLOGICAL CRISIS - watch "Awakening 1/4" (short video) and "Zeitgeist Addendum" to know more about it. Both of them are on YouTube. The SOLUTIONS presented in both videos are already being applied and they have already been proved to work in the short and long run. It's about time to expand/spread it World Wide.
@HGSpaceTime Yep...Going back to the old barter and trade, not bad it gets rid of corruption, there's no greed and banks get fucked out of the deal, I love it too.
LA ASIGNACION POR HIJO LOGRO UNA FUERTE CAIDA DE LA INDIGENCIA Y DE LA DESIGUALDAD DE INGRESOS
Línea de partida para combatir la pobreza
El Conicet y otros institutos presentaron los resultados de la primera investigación exhaustiva sobre el impacto de la AUH entre los sectores vulnerables. La indigencia bajó hasta 70 por ciento, la pobreza hasta 30 y mejoraron los índices de equidad. Los desafíos.
@horta85 Well Ive been there...like I said in 2008. Un like you! I speak from experience.
But if you WATCH the video you can also see what I mean.
A typical American...thick as shit and ignorant. But then I also here that the Southern states of America that were hit by the hurricanes have still not been rebuilt! bahahaha. I would not visit US if I was offered payment!
Oh is that so? Well let me tell you about "experience" My father has a ranch in Cordoba! nice try though! Oh so much hate for the USA, but yet it's the most diverse Nation in the world. People flock from all over the world, legally and illegally to have a piece of the American Dream.... Take your ignorance else where!
@horta85 :Diverse? Ever been to South Carolina? Or other places where Racism is alive and well? American dream? Tell that to the greedy bankers who stole tons of money and left huge debts for the middle class to pay. Every American who is educated in finance knows that the good old days are gone...
@JasperLee23 This comment tells me everything about you: prejudiced... I bet you have issues everywhere you go.. seems like you cannot use reason in a discussion and have to use primitive defensive methods. Good luck in the future with such a personality...
@JasperLee23 :A south African calling others racist? what a joke! You think the Brits give a crap about the south aricans? You sure are naive! OH yeath, South Africa is for black Africans!
@JasperLee23 I've been there in 2007... going back in a few months... I have such great experience with these people. they are kind, warm and friendly. I guess you got a bad experience over there and you're projecting that on the little experience you had in Argentina. That country is so huge, I bet you didnt even talk to 0,0001% of all people, so how could you make such a comment.
It is hard to see everything in the healthcare bill but I think rummage sales will also be taxed, any hobbies are taxed with no tax write offs. I got involved because of my 2nd mortgage but I've never seen anything like what is going on and people are ignoring it.
I've only been preparing for two years. Maybe too late. The trees I had bearing fruit are flowering but not bearing fruit. We have to import our bees and few lady bugs left. Last year the corn I had growing died once the nearby farms were sprayed. I was beginning to think I was a nut (and so did other people) until I started digging into things.
@chimpanchu That is ironic...Argentina means "silvery"...at one time it must have been the Land of Silver. Yes, I think they would gladly take silver in exchange in their markets. Under these conditions, who wouldn't?
es pobre el pais, pero aca estan mostrando las partes mas pobres d el pais!!!!hay partes ermosas. tambien m vas a decir q en estados unidos tampoco es asi y q td es seguro y lindo??tengo 12 anos y vivi en usa, tambien, bueno.....esta esta cristina q no ase un carajo q los picetreros crten una d las avenidas mas importantes????dejate d joder
yo creo que en nuestros paises latinos ni uno se salva de la misma situacion en algunos lugares sea mas bajo y en otros mas alto la imagen es la misma !!!!
the state creates these problems. the free market solves them. without money, people still eat, and survive to be interviewed. how? barter, sadly. the black market.
the government created the problem and the people solved them by their own ingenious methods. a black market? hardly. I find it sad that you find it sad they barter. It's fantastic that the ability to trust still exists, even if that trust is not in the government, but instead in each other.
Further, why when you admit the state created the market problems in the first place would you further suggest they regulate the peoples methods to survive?
The free market does not "solve all problems," this coming from a person who probably lives in a country in which corporations have the same identity-rights as real human beings, but are sociopathic, parasitical, in which a company, literally, can force an entire neighborhood to move like refugees so they can set up condos or golf courses--and this is but one of millions of examples of unregulated "free trade."
If the crisis was bad before, now the peso, being tied to the US dollar, will be in the tank for a long time. Of all of the bad things that Bush accomplished (after the betrayal of our military by sending them into the shit-hole of Iraq with lies), the betrayal of the dollar may be the worst, The world has lost confidence in US fiscal management.
How about you show some proof that YOU know anything about it? You seem to be under the impression that your specialness means you get to say whatever you want while others have to bring un-cut-and-pasted proof of knowledge.
In your case, a mere knowledge of the facts of the event is insufficient. You then have to interpret those facts correctly. Given your conclusion that what Argentina needs is MORE government to fix the problem, I'm going to have to suggest that you've failed on phase II.
I said NOTHING about government, and I was asking a sincere question. I meant it.......how do people buy food? The last thing I would suggest, had I actually suggested anything, would be more government.
elrareza: "How about you show some proof that YOU know anything about it? You seem to be under the impression that your specialness means you get to say whatever you want while others have to bring un-cut-and-pasted proof of knowledge..."
Did you even watch the video?
This is about the Argentina Gov, screwed by the corporates & bankers. What country needed was a stronger Gov. to control the corporates. Instead, corporates were controling the Gov.
I hate to be a smart ass, but you do realize food comes from the process of growing vegetables and raising livestock, correct? So it's quite simple to use a bartering economic system to exchange items for food and vice versa.
@siobhShaft IF you can get the seeds, they cost money. Monsanto the world's leading seed supplier has a patent on their genetically modified {engineered} seeds, GMO's, they produce plants but the seeds in those plants are dead, they will not reproduce new plants, they call it terminator seeds. This makes nation's dependent on Monsanto to buy annual seeds. Check out Monsanto for info on the coming Monsanto produced famine.
Do you suppose this is why the seed vault was created? Knowing that one day, viable self sustaining crops would be a thing of the past?
Imagine the entire world producing crops with terminator seeds. The next year, Monsanto supplies defective seeds that do not produce any crops (this happened already in Africa). By the time it was realized, it would be too late for that years crop. Mass starvation would ensue.
@doverlin No, the seed vault was created by and for the Bilderberg group. A small group of billionaires who run the New World Order. Check out videos on the Federal Reserve bankers and 10 central banks. They are creating this worldwide collapse. See the Georgia monument. There plan is to let us eat the chemically laced foods and then when 6 billion are dead in nuclear war, famines {which they created} and disease they can emerge from the D.U.M.B. and start the world again.
@siobhShaft IF the gov. allows you to grow your own food. There is a bill that was introduced by Bush that controls all organic farms, the gov. now considers a backyard garden an organic farm and it can be outlawed if we don't follow CODEX ALIMENTAREOUS. {misspelled}
I saw this on the long Census form. People booed me. But it is real. These companies have also bought up the water rights in nations, so much so, they cannot even keep rain water. My 2nd mortgage is written so I cannot grow food for myself. People are being fed right now but once the government handout goes, they'll be hungry.
@SniperViper1000 Problem is, the world is about to see a famine, including the US. Check out videos on the 2010 food crisis. Also videos of the US sending hundreds of train cars of wheat to China to try & keep them from demanding their loans be returned. The supposed storehouse of US food is a 3 week supply down from a 4 mo. supply.
@SniperViper1000 The problem is we are about to see in 2010 a food crisis in America. Check out youtube. The US has a mere 3 weeks reserves. Also Bush introduced a bill making an organic farm include backyard gardens which would be under the gov. control and could be outlawed.
Apparently, you don't understand the situation in Argentina, or reality for that matter, in the least. The government's incompetence caused this, and if these barterers let the government in too much to their system, it will ruin that, too.
Explicame una cosa, ¿por qué todavía es tan caro vivir en la ciudad de Buenos Aires? Why is Buenos Aires still so expensive to live? It has always been like that, inconsistent with other cities around the world.
I will fight to the death before anybody takes my gun.
I have a right to live. I have a right to have a means of defending myself. Nobody who is trying to take your guns away is concerned with your well being.
Al these people need is another "politician" and /or some "educated" rotten m/f to step in and profit from the little these people have and ruin this too
Argentina most stand up and change the government by vote. She most get rid of all the corrupted officails and replace them with people that will not betray the country by selling out the people. Then she most regain all the property that belongs to the people, that was sold to outside forces by privatization. She most arrest all those who betrayed the country and charge them with treason. She most then become an independant nation with no debt to the IMF and to the world bank. Yes, you can!
Is corruption an inherent part of assuming power? The government should not touch these independent and autonomous structures, where the corrupting potential of government can only do harm.
he problem is grilling public policy in debt and not eligible for an economic model of free market capitalists and socialists so they decide not make bad decisions and doing business with Hugo Chávez only debt in the current spending on unnecessary things a long time and will lose is wrong.
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this shows how creative people can be when pushed into desperation...I wonder though, what would happen, if more "phony" money was pumped into the economy and again created fake prosperity, would these people abandon these principles, and begin to participate in the same bad practices that got them in this place they find themselves now..
It's becoming clearer and clearer to everybody..
"What can be dome to stop the rot..?"
Simple stop dealing with government money.
It's entirely deeply irreversable corrupt and damaging..
Take politiicans out ot the system and everything starts to work again..
Proved over and over again.. easy lesson.. lests learn it..
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demarcos69 1 month ago
This is so smart of them, would any of you see bitcoin/litecoin becoming a new currency if(when) there would be a new collapse?
I've heard that Greece also started a new currency, but it's just very small atm.
trapedd 1 month ago
I feel for the men and women who want to work. I don't think they realize that they are doing more good with their trading and coupons. They are learning to be self sufficient without the need for government interference. They may not see what they are doing as honorable but I certainly think it is!
papillonaquatique 1 month ago
Actualmente Argentina es uno de los paises con mejor economia del mundo y la tasa de pobreza y desempleo no superan el 8% mientras q en paises como Mexico son enormes y lideramos en PER capita.
LKratHoZ 2 months ago
@LKratHoZ NO SEAS HABLADOR MEXICO ES LA ECONOMIA#8 Y ARGENTINA LA #21 Y SI NO LO CREES AQUI TE DEJO LA PAGINA OFFICIAL DEL BANCO MUNDIAL DONDE ESTAN PLASMADAS LAS MEJORES ECONOMIAS DEL MUNDO JAJAJA
W W W .BACOMUNDIAL. ORG
vrisval 1 month ago
@vrisval Jajaja como es q no sabes de esto, al referirse 8# no se refiere a mejor economia, se refiere al PBI -.- La India esta en los 8# pero tiene mucha pobreza, con economia uno no se refiere al PBI se refiere a calidad de vida, indice de pobreza, per capita y Pib Nominal, Mexico solo tiene mas PBI pero en pobreza hay mas pobreza alli que en Argentina, per capita aqui es mas alto jejeje pobre piensas que economia es solo PBI DIOS MIO LO QUE TE ESPERA.
LKratHoZ 1 month ago
@LKratHoZ jajajaja a quien quieres engañar argentino por si no sabias el banco mundial no solo refleja la economia,si no tambien la calidad de vida,educaccion ,salud,idh etc no seas ignorante
aqui te dejo todas esas estadisticas para que te bajes de tu nube de pedos directitas desde la pagina official del banco mundial
datos .bancomundial. org/pais/argentina
datos .bancomundial. org/pais/mexico
vrisval 1 month ago
@vrisval O por dios Si que eres tonto, el banco mundial es obvio que se refleja en muchos indices pero al decir que Mexico es 8# te referis al PBI y no a su economia, al decir 8# decis en el PBI como cuando uno dice que Argentina es el 8# pais mas grande, me refiero al territorio no es la 8va mejor economia, no seas bruto si en Mexico hay mucha pobreza segun datos de la ONU o fijate Per capita, ONU 2011, o desigualdad...
LKratHoZ 1 month ago
@LKratHoZ animal al parecer no quieres ver la verdad esos links estan basados en estadisticas de la onu y del banco mundial argentina tiene mucha pobreza,ya bajate de tu nube de pedos eres ARGENTINO no eres suizo o holandes para que estes hablando de pobreza que falta ahora que venga osama bin laden a hablar de terrorismo?
el pib nominal es la economia de un pais y que mierdas tiene que ver el territorio si no les sirve de nada no es un pais con biodiversidad,turismo,petroleo,economia,
vrisval 1 month ago
@vrisval En cuanto a territorio fue un ejemplo, bruto y los links si son sobre un pais, pero fijate pelotudo CUANDO DIJISTE A 8# NO TE REFERISTE A MEJOR ECONOMIA TE REFERIS A PBI NO PIB NOMINAL, NO SEAS TAN BOLUDO PARA QUE DECIS QUE MEXICO ES EL 8# EN MEJOR ECONOMIA PORQUE SON 8# EN PBI PERO EN MEJOR ECONOMIA NO SON 8# Y FIJATE EN LA ONU BOLUDO Y FIJATE IINDICES DE POBREZA Y VERAS QUE ARGENTINA TIENE 9.9% Y MEXICO TIENE MAS, ME MANDAS LINKS Q NO TIENEN Q VER CON EL PBI.
LKratHoZ 1 month ago
@LKratHoZ la verdad no te entiendo nada
que es el pbi?
sera el pbi mira creo que no sabes distinguir el pib nominal y el pib per'capita.
investiga cual tiene mas valor antes de hablar,mexico gracias a eso pertenece al g5 mas g20 argentina solo pertenece al g20.
investiga que es esto.
ademas argentina no tiene el 9.9% de pobreza son datos alterados por el gobierno para que la presidenta reobtenga la presidencia si no crees busca
EL INDEC MIENTE SEGUN EL FMI
bien sabes como se vive en tu pais
vrisval 1 month ago
@vrisval Peso Bruto Interno, eso es PBI que es de donde se saca la cantidad de dinero y bienes de un pais, y eso que el INDEC miente es falso, es mas ya el FMI intervino sobre los controles del INDEC y aclaro los temas, y no son 8# en economia cuando me lo dijiste y por eso dije que ustds si son 8# pero del PESO BRUTO INTERNO y creo que tienen algo de 1.4 billones y por eso. Y en otros paises, vienen aqui a estudiar los modelos economicos, sino mira la cantidad de cosas que logramos.
LKratHoZ 1 month ago
@vrisval y la cantidad de cosas que exportamos, el FMI y el pais no tuvieron una buena relacion, porque en el 2001 gracias al FMI y empresas privadas nuestro pais estuvo en bancarrota. Ya el FMI esta controlando al INDEC, y aun no se dijo nada... y de pobreza es evidente q no conoces Argentina, no es necesario ver al INDEC, con solo ver a una ciudad te das cuenta de lo que bajo la pobreza aqui, alla mas de 50m de mexicanos estan en pobreza, lo escuche en un canal venezolano.
LKratHoZ 1 month ago
@LKratHoZ jaja cada canal dice lo que quiere un canal colombiano dice todo lo contrario si quieres te pego el link para que veas,y no mientas todo el norte de tu pais esta super pobre,te la pongo mas facil metete a google earth 3d o google maps y te daras cuenta en el satelite como se vive en argentina sobre todo en lugares como el chaco,jujuy las casas y coches etc
y las imagenes del satelite son como del 2009 y 2010,pero bueno el que sabe en el fondo que es verdad eres tu,no tengo que discutir
vrisval 1 month ago
they just reinvented the free market system. what a waste of 20 years!
TiamoInfidels 2 months ago
your country is bless from the god to survive
hgoumenosefraim 2 months ago
Is the Argentine government not taxing these transactions?
In the USA, you can bet your life that the government would QUICKLY find a way to tax all of this commerce.
latinamajor 3 months ago
Without money? looks like money to me....thats what money is....a promissory note/coupon/certificate/younameit...
a46475 3 months ago
ponganse a jugar futbol a ver si algun dia algun equipo mexicano los contrata para que salgan de su pobreza.
FantomasMXss 3 months ago
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@FantomasMXss tu estas culpando a las victimas no a los victimarios de que equipo mexicano de mierda tu habla por que ? tu no sale de tu miseria mental y mira quines son los que tienen el mundo jodido te mando desde aqui un fuerte chinga tu madre
ippacarai 2 months ago
lol falklands
conservative717 5 months ago
Organized Barter. It works.
If and when there is a dollar collapse - copying an idea that is already successful - sooner rather than later, might actually save lives.
Preppers who now believe that armament is imperative, might find that bartering is more prosperous. But certainly, it is more peaceful. I have always tried to "stock extra" so that I have something to offer in trade.
MzProgressive 5 months ago
"coupons" are just "money" see how money is just the convenient exchange of resources? Money is the "convenient resource based economy!"
astrialkil 6 months ago
George Soros and two of his minions watched this video....
deadrepublicantv 6 months ago
Why is the governent supporting this? Do they get taxes on the barter? Or did they give up on these people so totally that they just want them doing anything that will keep them supplied with the necessities of life without the Gov. having to pay anything? To keep them from rioting in the streets due to hunger?
dishesdealer417 6 months ago
@dishesdealer417 the coupons should be the new money!
astrialkil 6 months ago
That woman who is ashamed understands that what she does in the network IS WORK, but she doesn't understand that those coupons are MONEY, just as valid as any otherwise worthless piece of paper that a government produces. Only Physical metals of value (gold, silver, copper, nickel, etc) are real money that have in themselves intrinsic worth due to scarcity or industrial uses. Good for these people, they are excluding the governent that screwed them and are organizing for their own good.
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y eso no es nada miren estos, somo una mierda los argentinos:
watch?v=QMswRMuFXMc&feature=player_profilepage
tn.com.ar/argentina-para-armar/00056505/los-espanoles-que-escapan-de-la-crisis
capaz que al ultimo hay que ponerle htt...etc
DarivsArgentina 7 months ago
I like the idea of the global barter network. Very interesting.
MelodyAtHome 7 months ago
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who gets the job of printing the credits????
kevreilly7 8 months ago
Argentina could really use The Venus Project right now since they're moving in the direction of a resource based economy.
ColdBoi 8 months ago
@ColdBoi so go do it! talk is cheap!
astrialkil 6 months ago
Thank you IFM. Ahora a por: Portugal, Irlanda, España y Grecia..
doctorpuertas 8 months ago
Just restore sound money Gold and Silver. Oh yes..... Abolish the state as well...
fonz20088 8 months ago
ן חודא אם ךןהק ןמ שמרעקמאןמש ןמ 2001 נוא ן ישג שך'שזד ש פךשבק אם 'םרל נקבשודק ן בםוךג דפקשל ךםא םכ ךשמעושעקדדי ן 'םרלקג ןמ ש דביםםך נוא איק דשךשרז 'שקדקמא אם עםםג דם ן חודא 'קמא דם ן 'קמא נשבל אם ןדרשקך מם' יקרק ןד 'שר דם ן 'קמא אם ול שמג ן 'םוגקמא עםא ש'שז שמצזצםרק קהקמ איםוד אישא שרעקמאןמש ןד ש נקשואןכוךך פךשבק
2010weedsmoker 8 months ago
The IMF doesn't only rape minority hotel maids; they rape every person in the entire world that doesn't oppose them
MissSilver2011 8 months ago 10
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No1warp9 8 months ago
Argentineas have Indians heritage too
darktrooper555 9 months ago
@leaualorin TRUEQUE was part of the economic sistem of Aztecs in Mexico. Interesting that most Argentinians make fun of Mexicans because their Indian heritage and now they're adopting the Aztec economic sistem for survive!! I hope Argentinians learn about this situation and see with respect to Mexicans and their ancestors heritage!!! Poor people!!!
MrInsaider 9 months ago
WE SHOULD BRING THIS PROGRAM TO THE UNITED STATES!!!! New York would be a great Place to start!!! This is amazing!!!!! Please share it on Facebook, make it available to everybody!!! This is the answer!!!!!!
ENAIRAMA1 9 months ago
WE SHOULD BRING THIS PROGRAM TO THE UNITED STATES!!!! New York would be a great Place to start!!! This is amazing!!!!!
ENAIRAMA1 9 months ago 3
we gotta bring this up americas all the way to canada and usa
fanton2005 9 months ago
Argentines never forget and never learn. I live in Brazil.
daltonagre 10 months ago
i m from greece and soon we r going to be in the same situation....we have to give 400 billion euros and argentina then have to give 20
TheNightlover77 10 months ago
@TheNightlover77 Πιστευω πως ηδη το ξερεις,αλλα υπαρχουν ηδη παρομοια προγραμματα και στην χωρα μας:η Τοπικη Εναλλακτικη Μοναδα στο Βολο,ο Οβολος στην Πατρα, και αν δεν υπαρχουν κι αλλα τετοια,συντομα θα γινουν και θα αντικαταστησουν το ευρο..Δεν ξερω τι λες,αλλα εμενα μου φαινεται σαν να πηγαινουμε για φουντο.
dragunovSVD95 9 months ago
@dragunovSVD95 φιλε πιστευω και εγω οτι θα παμε για αναρδιαρθρωση χρεους μεσα στο 2012...να παμε να μας βαλουν βαζελινη δηλαδη για να μη μας πονεσει τοσο πολυ.....εγω ζω στ επαρχια και πιστευω οτι ειναι πολυ καλυτερα τα πραματα εδω απο οτι στις πολεις αν καταλαβαινεις τι εννοω
TheNightlover77 8 months ago
@TheNightlover77 Οντως τα πραγματα πρεπει να ειναι πιο χαλαρα στην επαρχια και προφανως θα την περασει πιο χαλαρα οσο ναναι στα χρονια που ερχονται.Ομως αυτη η αντιθεση επαρχιας-αστικων κεντρων(Αθηνας ειδικα) δεν βοηθαει τοσο στον συγχρονισμο τον κινητοποιησεων.Μην με παρεξηγησεις αλλα πιστευω πως αυτοι που ζουν στην επαρχια,χωρις να εχουν επαφη με την πρωτευουσα ειναι απομακρυσμενοι απο την πραγματικοτητα.Το σιγουρο ειναι παντως οτι θα τα παρουν απο ολους,και με το ολους εννοειται παντα ο λαος.
dragunovSVD95 8 months ago
@dragunovSVD95 φιλε μου εννοω οτι στην επαρχια ειναι λιγοτερα τα εξοδα απο την πολη και το κοστος ζωης της καθημερινοτητας αν θες ειναι πιο μικρο σε σχεση με τις πολεις...ολοι εδω εχουμε ενα σπιτι να ζησουμε , ολοι εχουμε απο καποιο κτημα , ολοι λιγο πολυ θα βοηθησουμε ο ενας τον αλλον στη αναγκη.....δεν ειναι απροσωπα τα πραφματα οπως στις πολεις....και οταν λεω επαρχια μην νομιζεις οτι ζω σε κανενα βουνο..ειμαι 3 ωρες απο αθηνα και 20 λεπτα απο θεσνικη...ξερεις ποσοι εχουν επιστρεψει εδω?
TheNightlover77 8 months ago
@TheNightlover77 Αν θες τη γνωμη μου ο τριτος τομεας της οικονομιας εχει αναπτυχθει υπερβολικα,σε τετοιο βαθμο που ειναι ελαττωματικος για την οικονομια και προκαλει κρισεις.Αυτος ειναι και ο λογος που η επαρχια θα ανακαμψει(-πτει) γρηγοροτερα.
dragunovSVD95 8 months ago
i love this people helping people to unite to survive i think us Americans need to watch out where going the same route as Argentina due to what the banks getting free pass and stuff. What is scar is US people are all about them selves its sad but true
davefromthe502 11 months ago
Today, Argentina is one of the richest, most expensive places in the world. They have money hanging out of their ears and the prices are sky high. The currant Argentines carry a big chip on their shoulders and have an arrogant attitude. Professional pick-pockets ride the subway system. Foreigners are treated as ATM machines.
Avalon400 11 months ago
The reason that everything government touches turns to shit is because government is violence & must rely on it's own ability to do violence in order to exist & violence is not a solution to any problems, ever. All it does is create more problems but they want you to believe you actually need them to solve social problems when in reality we only need each other.
rockstarofredondo 11 months ago 13
@rockstarofredondo
VIOLENCE IS THE ULTIMATE FORM OF POWER, THE ABILITY TO EXACT FEAR IN THE HEARTS AND MINDS OF MEN, AND FEAR IS THE ULTIMATE FORM OF TYRANNY.
WE'RE ALL SLAVES NOW.
THE CRIMINAL GLOBAL BANKING ELITE ARE WINNING.
AmericanTaxSlaver 1 month ago
Reminds me of colonial script that was printed during the time of the 13 colonies, well before the revolutionary war. The producer of Money Masters documentary would likely have some interesting things to say about their newly printed currency.
purplefetus3 1 year ago
I can't believe that the aftermath of Argentina's economic collapse is still wreaking havoc. These are all survival methods. This isn't life. It takes too long to get back on your feet living this way. In fact, these are the problems in other Latin American countries. You just live and never progress.
motelcalifornia 1 year ago
I can't believe that the aftermath of Argentina's economic collapse is still wreaking havoc. These are all survival methods. This isn't life. It takes too long to get back on your feet living this way. In fact, these are the problem in other Latin American countries. You just live and never progress.
motelcalifornia 1 year ago
to help live without money google The Freeconomy Community and join the site justfortheloveofit dote org , where every one help each other just for the love of it
freddydesouza 1 year ago
Hope Brazil help's Argentina
Brafmah 1 year ago
God Bless them for finding a way to survive and God willing THRIVE.
We in the USA should heed what has happened to Argentina as a warning to our future if we don't rid our country of the JP MORGAN, CHASE, CITIBANK, B of Am, and Corporations that are doing the same thing here.
If your one of the ones that are more interested in American Idol than whats happening in the country, then we're doomed.
WAKE UP AMERICA, quit sipping the KOOL AIDE
Trade your Greenbacks for Gold, Silver and FOOD. No DEBT!
jfifensdlosp 1 year ago
What a briliant idea! Nothing really new, it is a real free market. Unfortunatly in America you would be put in jail for exchanging your made goods and not paying taxes to FED
Gdaiva1 1 year ago
It better to live without money just like The Freeconomy Community justfortheloveofit dote org where every one help each other just for the love of it
freddydesouza 1 year ago
This video offers proof that panic is not the answer and that life goes on! Thank you for posting this video!
DoctorOblivion1 1 year ago
@DoctorOblivion1
We're not argentina...we're a worldwide economic leader, and U.S. citizens are completely insane, and much more populous. I hope this is a telltale of what will happen, but I don't have faith in the citizens here sry.
TruthfullyRude 1 year ago
@TruthfullyRude Thank you Rudy. I know that the United States is a special case. And I know that most of the citizens are twisted by and are controlled by the influence of the media. But our future is up to us, we the people, not the politicians that make profits off of us. Our economy is going down. No doubt about it. But it is up to us to place our agendas into action, not to be slaves to the system that controls the masses. Teach other to resist. Teach reading freedom and research!
DoctorOblivion1 1 year ago
@DoctorOblivion1
That won't be enough...It's time for people to just stop talking, bitching, and complaining. It's scary times ahead of our country people are placing blind faith into people that are continuing to backstabbing them. A select few need to stand up, and others will follow.
TruthfullyRude 1 year ago
@TruthfullyRude Teaching might not be enough, but once taught, a person knows why and what they are fighting for. The few that you are speaking of must know what they are talking about for others to follow. You and I are not in disagreement at all. The first six months after the initial collapse will be hell to live through. After that the few will step forward. Thank you.
DoctorOblivion1 1 year ago
I would very thankful if an argetinian viewer can tell me how is the situation now in the country. Can a family live now in a city with safety? i found a lot similarities between greek and argentinian women, but our main flaw that our people are not so united. They also believe that they are clever, but i dont think that they will have the guts to do what argentinian people did in 2000. Women display initiative to do many things but greek are not so open- minded to imagine future developments
vasiliki755 1 year ago
@vasiliki755 - the difference will not be a result of complementary currency. Or guts. What saved Argentina from disaster wasn't their distrust of politicians and anger at the results produced by corruption and incompetence. They distrusted politicians and were angry at the corruption / incompetence, but that's not what saved the nation. If their guts or cleverness were a factor, they would have elected competent politicians who run on anti-corruption platforms. They didn't do that. ...
yoyojemojo 1 year ago
@vasiliki755 - what saved Argentina was either sheer fluke or a happy by-product of taking elections away from people too stupid to elect competent representatives to manage what really is rather simple economic policies, which are only very difficult to implement as a result of corruption being a tough fight and people too stupid to elect politicians with probity, who would make the job a lot easier from the Opposition benches (current US example). Or coalition benches (current Thai example).
yoyojemojo 1 year ago
@vasiliki755 - one man saved Argentina, or at least, he led the recovery. Which was ridiculously simple, though unfathomably hard to sell to a stupid populace. The nation and them were not worth what they believed. They could recover, with tough measures. The measures are embarrassingly simple, in theory. But stupid people make implementation unfathomably complex. Argentina was saved by Lavagna. He was selected to save Argentina, by a President who wasn't elected President by Argentina.
yoyojemojo 1 year ago
@yoyojemojo blame the people who actually suffered when things went wrong? niiiiiiiiiice. also: "one man saved the day: superman". no one is stupid enough to belive that.
welcometoskyvalley 1 year ago
@welcometoskyvalley - Though it will no doubt come as a shock to you, it is actually possible to both cause a problem, and then suffer from the effects of the problem you created. I know. Illuminating, thought-provoking stuff. I do hope you were sitting down. Superman did not save Argentina. Lavagna, the Minister for Economy and Production, who wasn't elected, posted record primary surpluses by "saying no to the vested interests", i.e. sheer probity. Fired by Kirchner for criticising graft.
yoyojemojo 1 year ago
@yoyojemojo your sarcasm is annoying. the people were deceived, in words of the ex-president me*em "if i would have told them what i was going to do, they wouldnt have voted me". so, its not the people who chose wrong and suffered the consequences, people were deceived, and before that, before the 90's, the dictatorship absolutely destroyed the country, and the people had no say in that. blaming this on "the people" is a mistake.
welcometoskyvalley 1 year ago
@welcometoskyvalley - In a democratic system, the buck does not stop with the president (Teddy Roosevelt was wrong). The buck stops with the electorate who continually voted in (and continue to vote in) corrupt governments and endless politicians mired in vested interests. The hero that saved Argentina was fired by the President shortly after, when he criticised obvious corruption. When you investigate the electorate's reaction to that outrage, you will understand....
yoyojemojo 1 year ago
@yoyojemojo you know a lot! but the fact that people were deceived is as true as the fact that they were annihilated by a dictatorship supported by big corporate interests. so, is it really fair to say "you brought this to yourselves?" as for lavagna... if we consider the recovery of an entire nation the act of a single man instead of a collective effort... i dont know, i think is simplifying too much. oh, also, what case of corruption are you talking about?
welcometoskyvalley 1 year ago
@welcometoskyvalley - The people are deceived sure, but if you look at the guys every democratic nation votes in..it's more sheer apathy from the electorate. People are lazy, or they identify themselves with Left or Right and they vote in the blocs because their union leader or minister or favourite TV host tells them to. They don't take their responsibilities seriously, and they vote in guys with hands in the till. And then cry when surprise, surprise...things go to custard.
yoyojemojo 1 year ago
@welcometoskyvalley - Then a hero like Lavagna emerges to save them. They express no gratitude, quite the opposite in fact. In comes Kirchner and his cronies on the back of an election win, Lavagna the patriot sees corruption he doesn't like, comments on it, SO LONG ARGENTINE HERO.
FT.com: "Mr Lavagna said there had been over-pricing in a number of public contracts to build roads. That was taken as a direct attack on Julio De Vido, the planning minister and a confidante of the president."
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@mscanepa
Iam very impressed by your people, especially the argetinian women. Iam from greece, a country which is threated by an economic collapse. I am scared for the future of my country and for the safety of my children. The fact is that greeks are not as patriots as argtentinians. This is atributed mainly to the fact that a large proportion of population in greece consists of foreingers. i am thinging of moving to a village, where i can do some farming to sypport my family.
vasiliki755 1 year ago
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KGBfbiSECUpolitia 1 year ago
You have to say which is this video is. Because this is 2001/2002. We're not Switzerland but we're much better now. We had 20% of unemployment and now it's in 8/9%. We had 50% of poor people, and now we're on 23/25%.
mscanepa 1 year ago 18
@mscanepa
Iam very impressed by your people, especially the argetinian women. Iam from greece, a country which is threated by an economic collapse. I am scared for the future of my country and for the safety of my children. The fact is that greeks are not as patriots as argtentinians. This is atributed mainly to the fact that a large proportion of population in greece consists of foreingers. i am thinging of moving to a village, where i can do some farming to sypport my family.
vasiliki755 1 year ago
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@mscanepa
Iam very impressed by your people, especially the argetinian women. Iam from greece, a country which is threated by an economic collapse. I am scared for the future of my country and for the safety of my children. The fact is that greeks are not as patriots as argtentinians. This is atributed mainly to the fact that a large proportion of population in greece consists of foreingers. i am thinging of moving to a village, where i can do some farming to sypport my family.
vasiliki755 1 year ago
@mscanepa I think all dont need to work FOR MONEY or without money to live peacefully .If only one third of the earth population works according to the concept of PAY IT FORWARD site justfortheloveofit dote org alternatively google THE FREECONOMY COMMUNITY . we can all live happily. In reality people themselve who dont move their body will realize they will get sick if they dont so eventually all will work just for the love of it without money and people should work for their needs not greed
freddydesouza 1 year ago
@mscanepa
haha sabias que INDEC es rre trucho o no??
zabeLancien 8 months ago
@zabeLancien En todo caso, no mas trucho que el anterior, mi estimado. O Ud. pensaba que antes era limpio y cristalino?
mscanepa 8 months ago
@mscanepa
no, yo se que todas las estadisticas oficiales de la Republica Corruptisima Argentina, son todas truchas.
lo que pasa esque la gente de afuera se cree que esta tdo bien en Arg. por que creen estas estadisticas.
hay que buscar informacion de estudios privados y compararlos y sacas algo masmenos real. sabias que los ultimos estudios del INDEC dicen un 9,9 de pobreza!!! haha eso es una tomadura de pelo ya!
estudios priv. 30% y mas. para solucionar los problemas primero hay que aceptarlos
zabeLancien 8 months ago
@mscanepa What's violent crime like in Argentina?
LuqmanNaq 4 months ago
@LuqmanNaq There's actually not as much of it as even the (local) media would have you think. It is no where near what it is in Brazil or Venezuela You can walk by many of the villas during the day and not have anything bad happen. There are more scam artists and armed robbers than anythng else. It must be said that it is the only place in the world where you'll be robbed at gunpoint and have the robber apologize, and hand you back money for a taxi.
groverpops 3 months ago
@overseachininadoll This is 2001, not 2010! This is not the situation today (thanks god :)
We are much better since we say goodbye IMF :D
(We are not in heaven, but things are much better now)
This "trueque" thing... It was ten years ago, a huge crisis, but many people starts to forget it... (Strange country, isn't it?) We shouldn't forget that :(
This year (2010) we celebrate our Bicentennial in a far better economic situation.
TheMaiata 1 year ago
@TheMaiata youtube.com/watch?v=8LZpVobWixM
TheMaiata 1 year ago
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THATS ARGENTINA OR EUROPE???? hahahaha stupids argetinians sudakas cartoneros niggas uglys of shit,,,put the soccer into your asshole,,,,very very ugly people in argetina ,,,argentina is an big piece of shit
mackfarlaneee 1 year ago
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KGBfbiSECUpolitia 1 year ago
Something like Yard sale club in grad scale?
I cry for you, Argentina.
overseachininadoll 1 year ago
Something like Yard sale club in grad scale?
overseachininadoll 1 year ago
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As far I have researched-The Zeitgeist Movement is the only Group out there that has brought up some Real and Tangible Solutions to ACTUALLY SOLVE OUR ECONOMICAL, SOCIAL & ECOLOGICAL CRISIS - watch "Awakening 1/4" (short video) and "Zeitgeist Addendum" to know more about it. Both of them are on YouTube. The SOLUTIONS presented in both videos are already being applied and they have already been proved to work in the short and long run. It's about time to expand/spread it World Wide.
:) FS
FactualSolutions 1 year ago
Behold the Argentinians they say to hell with money, they are showing rest of world how to do it, Wow my kinda people.
HGSpaceTime 1 year ago 2
@HGSpaceTime Yep...Going back to the old barter and trade, not bad it gets rid of corruption, there's no greed and banks get fucked out of the deal, I love it too.
Blackwater200 1 year ago 2
This is a fantastic group of videos, thanks a million!
It's crazy to see how the banksters at the IMF are doing the same thing now not just to America, but to the entire western world.
UnoRaza 1 year ago
What a great idea!
luinagreine 1 year ago
HEY LOOK- Its the aftermath of MILTON FRIEDMAN ECONOMICS.
This is what the Right Wing is selling America.
rickbar123 1 year ago
so?
Yamakashi1 1 year ago
yes a proud peoples,,,,
johnny450gf 1 year ago
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Argentina is a pathetic corrupt poverty strickern third world country
Van80crimsfu 1 year ago
Thank you for posting this video!
DoctorOblivion1 1 year ago
These were the consequences of continuing with the failed recipes of
IMF. The IMF only cares about collecting their usurious interest and nothing else.
nachovillar1 1 year ago 2
now the situation is totally different...
now the poor people are less than 20%, and the very poor, less than 10%...
franciscoaquilea 1 year ago
LA ASIGNACION POR HIJO LOGRO UNA FUERTE CAIDA DE LA INDIGENCIA Y DE LA DESIGUALDAD DE INGRESOS
Línea de partida para combatir la pobreza
El Conicet y otros institutos presentaron los resultados de la primera investigación exhaustiva sobre el impacto de la AUH entre los sectores vulnerables. La indigencia bajó hasta 70 por ciento, la pobreza hasta 30 y mejoraron los índices de equidad. Los desafíos.
franciscoaquilea 1 year ago
Argentina is a shit hole. I went thre with my brother in 2008. Personally I do not like the people. Very self opinionated and racist.
Im south african...I love Britain and I love the British influence in my country!
oh yeah and the Falklands are British!
JasperLee23 1 year ago
@JasperLee23
Your simply a idiot then! Argentina is ranked as one of the highest places to visit. Glad you enjoy being the Britts bitch!
horta85 1 year ago
@horta85 Well Ive been there...like I said in 2008. Un like you! I speak from experience.
But if you WATCH the video you can also see what I mean.
A typical American...thick as shit and ignorant. But then I also here that the Southern states of America that were hit by the hurricanes have still not been rebuilt! bahahaha. I would not visit US if I was offered payment!
JasperLee23 1 year ago
@JasperLee23
Oh is that so? Well let me tell you about "experience" My father has a ranch in Cordoba! nice try though! Oh so much hate for the USA, but yet it's the most diverse Nation in the world. People flock from all over the world, legally and illegally to have a piece of the American Dream.... Take your ignorance else where!
horta85 1 year ago
@horta85 :Diverse? Ever been to South Carolina? Or other places where Racism is alive and well? American dream? Tell that to the greedy bankers who stole tons of money and left huge debts for the middle class to pay. Every American who is educated in finance knows that the good old days are gone...
reuven2007 1 year ago
@JasperLee23 This comment tells me everything about you: prejudiced... I bet you have issues everywhere you go.. seems like you cannot use reason in a discussion and have to use primitive defensive methods. Good luck in the future with such a personality...
nielsbarends 1 year ago
@JasperLee23 You are a stupid person
janetos25 1 year ago
@JasperLee23 :A south African calling others racist? what a joke! You think the Brits give a crap about the south aricans? You sure are naive! OH yeath, South Africa is for black Africans!
reuven2007 1 year ago
@JasperLee23 I've been there in 2007... going back in a few months... I have such great experience with these people. they are kind, warm and friendly. I guess you got a bad experience over there and you're projecting that on the little experience you had in Argentina. That country is so huge, I bet you didnt even talk to 0,0001% of all people, so how could you make such a comment.
nielsbarends 1 year ago
Take a good look United States, this horror is about to befall on you!
partymariner 1 year ago
Too bad the Government is getting involved. They will eventually ruin it. The model is excellent though.
GoatHollow 1 year ago
@GoatHollow
It is hard to see everything in the healthcare bill but I think rummage sales will also be taxed, any hobbies are taxed with no tax write offs. I got involved because of my 2nd mortgage but I've never seen anything like what is going on and people are ignoring it.
janetcat 1 year ago
@janetcat , Been "Prepping" for it for 5 years now LOL
GoatHollow 1 year ago
@GoatHollow
I've only been preparing for two years. Maybe too late. The trees I had bearing fruit are flowering but not bearing fruit. We have to import our bees and few lady bugs left. Last year the corn I had growing died once the nearby farms were sprayed. I was beginning to think I was a nut (and so did other people) until I started digging into things.
janetcat 1 year ago
I wonder if they accept silver coins for barter? Do they know the value of gold/silver?
chimpanchu 1 year ago
@chimpanchu That is ironic...Argentina means "silvery"...at one time it must have been the Land of Silver. Yes, I think they would gladly take silver in exchange in their markets. Under these conditions, who wouldn't?
Twitchy229 1 year ago
I'm posting your page on other sites
Cheers
Bryan Pepperell
Wellington
New Zealand
bryanpepperell 1 year ago
es pobre el pais, pero aca estan mostrando las partes mas pobres d el pais!!!!hay partes ermosas. tambien m vas a decir q en estados unidos tampoco es asi y q td es seguro y lindo??tengo 12 anos y vivi en usa, tambien, bueno.....esta esta cristina q no ase un carajo q los picetreros crten una d las avenidas mas importantes????dejate d joder
paupels 2 years ago
IF YOU WISH TO UNDERSTAND THE IDEA AND THE EVOLUTION OF A SOCIETY WITHOUT MONEY YOU MUST WATCH: Larry King Interview 1974 (Full Version)
ALUCA6R6 2 years ago
thanks ; )
lorerax1 2 years ago
yo creo que en nuestros paises latinos ni uno se salva de la misma situacion en algunos lugares sea mas bajo y en otros mas alto la imagen es la misma !!!!
TILLIX3 2 years ago
the state creates these problems. the free market solves them. without money, people still eat, and survive to be interviewed. how? barter, sadly. the black market.
show me where the state regulations are for that.
jonathans8 2 years ago
the government created the problem and the people solved them by their own ingenious methods. a black market? hardly. I find it sad that you find it sad they barter. It's fantastic that the ability to trust still exists, even if that trust is not in the government, but instead in each other.
Further, why when you admit the state created the market problems in the first place would you further suggest they regulate the peoples methods to survive?
siobhShaft 2 years ago 2
The free market does not "solve all problems," this coming from a person who probably lives in a country in which corporations have the same identity-rights as real human beings, but are sociopathic, parasitical, in which a company, literally, can force an entire neighborhood to move like refugees so they can set up condos or golf courses--and this is but one of millions of examples of unregulated "free trade."
keytoothed 2 years ago
The worst thing that I've heard was when someone wrote about our economy: "Think America... Think Argentina."
We should start these co-ops in California, but the government would probably bust us for attempting to do so.
joeyfotofr 2 years ago
If the crisis was bad before, now the peso, being tied to the US dollar, will be in the tank for a long time. Of all of the bad things that Bush accomplished (after the betrayal of our military by sending them into the shit-hole of Iraq with lies), the betrayal of the dollar may be the worst, The world has lost confidence in US fiscal management.
joeyfotofr 2 years ago
the REAL unemployment in the U.S. is higher than theirs!
nohussein 2 years ago
I never saw food at these exchanges. With no money, how do they eat?
sybilll 2 years ago
How about you show some proof that YOU know anything about it? You seem to be under the impression that your specialness means you get to say whatever you want while others have to bring un-cut-and-pasted proof of knowledge.
In your case, a mere knowledge of the facts of the event is insufficient. You then have to interpret those facts correctly. Given your conclusion that what Argentina needs is MORE government to fix the problem, I'm going to have to suggest that you've failed on phase II.
elrareza 2 years ago
I said NOTHING about government, and I was asking a sincere question. I meant it.......how do people buy food? The last thing I would suggest, had I actually suggested anything, would be more government.
sybilll 2 years ago
elrareza: "How about you show some proof that YOU know anything about it? You seem to be under the impression that your specialness means you get to say whatever you want while others have to bring un-cut-and-pasted proof of knowledge..."
Did you even watch the video?
This is about the Argentina Gov, screwed by the corporates & bankers. What country needed was a stronger Gov. to control the corporates. Instead, corporates were controling the Gov.
How did you come up with your conclusion?
allgoo19 2 years ago
I hate to be a smart ass, but you do realize food comes from the process of growing vegetables and raising livestock, correct? So it's quite simple to use a bartering economic system to exchange items for food and vice versa.
siobhShaft 2 years ago
@siobhShaft IF you can get the seeds, they cost money. Monsanto the world's leading seed supplier has a patent on their genetically modified {engineered} seeds, GMO's, they produce plants but the seeds in those plants are dead, they will not reproduce new plants, they call it terminator seeds. This makes nation's dependent on Monsanto to buy annual seeds. Check out Monsanto for info on the coming Monsanto produced famine.
Greedy evil bast-----!!!
mkmason2002 2 years ago
Do you suppose this is why the seed vault was created? Knowing that one day, viable self sustaining crops would be a thing of the past?
Imagine the entire world producing crops with terminator seeds. The next year, Monsanto supplies defective seeds that do not produce any crops (this happened already in Africa). By the time it was realized, it would be too late for that years crop. Mass starvation would ensue.
doverlin 1 year ago
@doverlin No, the seed vault was created by and for the Bilderberg group. A small group of billionaires who run the New World Order. Check out videos on the Federal Reserve bankers and 10 central banks. They are creating this worldwide collapse. See the Georgia monument. There plan is to let us eat the chemically laced foods and then when 6 billion are dead in nuclear war, famines {which they created} and disease they can emerge from the D.U.M.B. and start the world again.
mkmason2002 1 year ago
@siobhShaft IF the gov. allows you to grow your own food. There is a bill that was introduced by Bush that controls all organic farms, the gov. now considers a backyard garden an organic farm and it can be outlawed if we don't follow CODEX ALIMENTAREOUS. {misspelled}
mkmason2002 1 year ago
@mkmason2002
I saw this on the long Census form. People booed me. But it is real. These companies have also bought up the water rights in nations, so much so, they cannot even keep rain water. My 2nd mortgage is written so I cannot grow food for myself. People are being fed right now but once the government handout goes, they'll be hungry.
janetcat 1 year ago
It's called the bartering system. Ex: If you work for me i'll supply you with food water and shelter or i'll give you 6 eggs for a loaf of bread.
SniperViper1000 1 year ago
@SniperViper1000 Problem is, the world is about to see a famine, including the US. Check out videos on the 2010 food crisis. Also videos of the US sending hundreds of train cars of wheat to China to try & keep them from demanding their loans be returned. The supposed storehouse of US food is a 3 week supply down from a 4 mo. supply.
mkmason2002 1 year ago
@SniperViper1000 The problem is we are about to see in 2010 a food crisis in America. Check out youtube. The US has a mere 3 weeks reserves. Also Bush introduced a bill making an organic farm include backyard gardens which would be under the gov. control and could be outlawed.
mkmason2002 1 year ago
This sounds pretty much like the future of US economy.
Privatization, corporate taking over the government with no regulation, corruption.
allgoo19 2 years ago
Apparently, you don't understand the situation in Argentina, or reality for that matter, in the least. The government's incompetence caused this, and if these barterers let the government in too much to their system, it will ruin that, too.
elrareza 2 years ago
elrazera:
Well, anybody can say, "You don't understand it." It's the easy part.
How about showing the proof that you know more about it, not by copying and pasting but using your own words?
allgoo19 2 years ago
Explicame una cosa, ¿por qué todavía es tan caro vivir en la ciudad de Buenos Aires? Why is Buenos Aires still so expensive to live? It has always been like that, inconsistent with other cities around the world.
keytoothed 2 years ago
This is what happen when government don't allow you to own guns. you become their bitch.
Formulastreet 2 years ago
I will fight to the death before anybody takes my gun.
I have a right to live. I have a right to have a means of defending myself. Nobody who is trying to take your guns away is concerned with your well being.
OutdoorsBlackMan 2 years ago
Doesn't Argentina know it needs experts and political elites to solve their problems.
randumbusername 2 years ago
ahahahahahah!
OutdoorsBlackMan 2 years ago
Al these people need is another "politician" and /or some "educated" rotten m/f to step in and profit from the little these people have and ruin this too
enchilada01 2 years ago 2
Kirchners (former president Nestor and actual president his wife Cristina) say everything is fine, but:
More than half of the country is poor, when they say they are less than 15%.
Prices are raising 4 times more than what they say.
Politicians which they don't like are fired from the government.
They don't let Congress work, they just make the laws without any consent.
They keep people poor, because they pay them to go to their speeches and cheer (this is totally real).
Sebaa1991 2 years ago 2
Sebaa1991: "because they pay them to go to their speeches and cheer (this is totally real)"
It sounds like town hall meeting in US, taken over by the screaming people.
allgoo19 2 years ago
ahora yo vivo en una villa vivo en villas miserias argentina
villerosoy2 2 years ago
De todos los comentarios el tuyo me conmovio mas..no sabes cuanto lo siento..un abrazo..y espero puedas salir adelante.
baronerolo 2 years ago
Menem HDP! cara de mono, mafioso, rata inmunda, Menem destructor del pais. Menem te quiero ver muerto.
adrian025 2 years ago
Argentina most stand up and change the government by vote. She most get rid of all the corrupted officails and replace them with people that will not betray the country by selling out the people. Then she most regain all the property that belongs to the people, that was sold to outside forces by privatization. She most arrest all those who betrayed the country and charge them with treason. She most then become an independant nation with no debt to the IMF and to the world bank. Yes, you can!
fernandoluis7 2 years ago
Why not just fire the public officials and leave their jobs vacant, perminently? The last thing she needs is more government and more politicians.
RiotersBlock 2 years ago
Is corruption an inherent part of assuming power? The government should not touch these independent and autonomous structures, where the corrupting potential of government can only do harm.
s2586201 2 years ago
Argentinia's crisis was in part from a privatization of their services.
naliuj 2 years ago
he problem is grilling public policy in debt and not eligible for an economic model of free market capitalists and socialists so they decide not make bad decisions and doing business with Hugo Chávez only debt in the current spending on unnecessary things a long time and will lose is wrong.
zzzpeque 2 years ago
lol @ the people making out at 19:23 seriously though this movement looks incredible, something the U.S. could really learn from.
purityundone 2 years ago
Please join my channel as a back up channel, i have lots of full videos and am adding more all the time. I also have lots of shorter films and lots of favorites to go through. thanks to all and keep up the good work guys, they cant shut all our channels down..THANKS EVERYONE FOR TAKING THE TIME TO CHECK OUT MY CHANNEL
WakeUpPeopleToTruth 2 years ago
funk you menen argentinians is better now without yuo argentina you and me..........argentina vos y yo
BOCAJRS17 2 years ago
this shows how creative people can be when pushed into desperation...I wonder though, what would happen, if more "phony" money was pumped into the economy and again created fake prosperity, would these people abandon these principles, and begin to participate in the same bad practices that got them in this place they find themselves now..
BlacksAreBeautiful 2 years ago