Anybody watching this vid who thinks it's a bunch of silly people putting on a show or some old man doing parlor tricks, READ about this man. He is a TRUE legend. His unbelievable accomplishments as a warrior is the stuff kung-fu fantasy legends are made of, yet his later personal spiritual experiences and revelations show there's is MUCH we can all learn from Master Ushiba. Things that would heal this planet if even 50% of humans on the earth took it to heart and lived his practical teachings.
one thing is sure: you will never experience anything spectacular in life when sitting all day infront of the computer. then you better stick to imaginary worlds in computer games.
This is stupid, pushing shit and destroying shit with energy is a myth.
Its nothing but a figment of man's imagination. People can think of the dumbest things. Chinese martial artists thought they could destroy things with "Chi"
Yeah they also believe a Giant statue talks to them. Idiots.
I'm an Aikido student and i can tell you that what appears to be Ki is really a simple lock of the wrist or another joint. The first thing I learnt is that you can control the whole body by controlling a joint
aikido works... just not as well as most people who practice it seem to think... alot of these techniques are lazy versions of other true internal soft styles...
@tdavis925 That probably would hurt. I practice aikido, and when I try to oppose the technique of a lower rank partner, it works, but when I try to oppose the technique of an advanced aikido rank partner, it hurts, and it hurts a lot.
guess what? for all his gracefulness and swordsmanship victories over willing students etc.. death still came a knockin and when the dorr was opend ,he took him ,like he will take all,so don't be too hasty in placing faith,or awe in any man as we are quite helpless!
You cannot convince others about something that cannot be shared. Even science is not believed sometimes because somebody not experienced in science is not able to follow the logic of it. I don't train any martial art, but I'm relatively strong. I knew a master who was able to do orenai te, "iron arm". I shaked hands with him and I always give a tight grip. He was relaxed, no tension, but I couldn't grip tighter, it was suddenly hard as a stone. But how can I share this with you? I can't
anyway you would have no chance at beating that,this is aikido martial arts,like have you ever concentrated on more than one point with your sight? you need to be able to do that but not only ur sight,sight touch,sound,etc..,you would be able to use the bare minimum effort to acomplish something,remain focused, while tacking hits
and then there's the actual martial art moves you learn,and with a very well trained body,nothing could beat you,but i don't think you can get to that in a lifetime
lol helio last fought in his 40's and lost his last two fights.. agianst kimura, and Waldemar Santana.. please get the your face out of the gracies nut sack and talk facts not blind hype. =p
there all on the gracies website. They had alot of loses as much as wins but they only really talk about there victorys, while carlos and helio in interviews are a little more truthful, they'll lost more then a few dispite rorion gracies out right lie in the 90's that they were undefeated lol
@RonnySayfan aikido is an internal martial art. older internal martial artists beat younger fighters.there lived a tai chi master who beat the asian wrestling champion of the time 25 rounds to 0 in a match televised live-just search for HYUANG SHENG SHYAN. also the real truth is that o'sensei's students are really really scared of him because he could kill them in an instant. in roy suenaka's(karate black belt) book it talks about how oldman o'sensei knocked him out cold with a chop stick.
@RonnySayfan Huang proved in the ring in a real televised fight, he whooped the guys butt, plain and simple and you can find the match on youtube here:
Huang Xingxian Vs. Liao Kuang Cheng
part 1: youtube.com/watch?v=b823tdDyywc
part 2: youtube.com/watch?v=ZoHHQT-etE4
o'sensei took on all comers in no rules fights and beat them ALL including the world champion sumo wrestler, the top judo person, etc etc. they all became o'sensei's students because o'sensei was bad ass and they knew it.
I guess I should practice Aikido or Taijiquan for another 15 years to hone my observation skills to the point of "seeing" the amazing technique employed.
@RonnySayfan go find a real tai chi master and tell him you want a demonstration of his fighting abilities, he'll probably tell you he's not interested but if you get one to show you then you'll see what we are all talking about... all this chi/ki masters have been challenged by the MMA types and beaten them easily. try visiting this guy in san diego youtube.com/v/qMcZddqmvw8&hl
@RonnySayfan im not sure what TCM means (traditional chinese medicine?) yes i think anyone can do MMA, but what i mean by "MMA types" are the "meat head" kind that think that MMA and ground and pound are the only real kinds of forces and arts. who says a real master can't lose? have you ever thought of the concept that the loser can win? the CHI/KI masters i pasted (Shyan/Osensei) all kicked the crap out of all challengers in real vale tudo type fights.
@RonnySayfan try this guy i think his name is Peng, if you dont believe it then its up to you to go there and challenge him yourself... people have and then they became his students when they were easily thrown around like rag dolls... i think he's still alive, not sure... he was interviewed by bill moyers on pbs documentary too... youtube.com/watch?v=oGaWhP4lbys
ive never been moved by just energy but my teacher says he has been slammed down by just chi/ki and he showed me videos of it...
@RonnySayfan I have to disagree with when you say "To illustrate the efficacy of the tactics and fighting style that emerged from the sport of MMA please watch UFC 1 - 121". Most of the time what you see in early UFC is actual traditional martial arts that did well in the octogon before the UFC rule book became larger than the bible itself ;)
@RonnySayfan You cannot compare traditional martial arts with the UFC altered styles. What you fail to mention in your analysis is that UFC is Sport. It is restricted within the confines of legal rules. Traditional martial arts have been used to kill period. Many traditional martial arts were the precursors to modern day military systems such as traditional karate, jiu jitsu, aikido, and other such styles.
@RonnySayfan have you ever done push hands with a tai chi master (any style) a real master, or met a real soft aikido master? its really fun because you just fall over and you dont know why... they expose your weaknesses and imbalance in a split second then send you flying... try it someday... and ive studied martial arts for quite some time too.
With your inner feelings you can sense your ki and guide. Emotion = Energy in motion. By focusing your yang and feeling your yin you create the ultimate unity which is essentially love. Love is the greatest power in this universe.
In my personal experience with martial arts, and the study of Ki, I've found that (at least for myself, obviously unable to speak for others) that you have to have a very focused mind, while at the same time, have an aware and open mind in order to understand how the energy of Ki can manifest itself.
@fightingchance2001 Aikido would seem less esoteric if only we were taught the value of still minds early in our lives. Most people are in their 40s, 50s, some are on their death beds before they see the value of a still mind. I consider myself lucky to have seem its value when I was in my early teens. It made much of life easier, not just my movements across tatami.
Been reading about Ueshiba -sensei in martial arts' book called From Lee to Li. Said he hung off a tree to sstretch a few more inches so he could join Japanese army.
Use a different technique? I've always been taught that Aikido should be spontaneous, you should just react with the Energy/situation or both your given.
the effective achilles feet of aikido is that you can t do some techniques if you are short iriminage tenchinage and some kokyunage you are limited if you are short
@browing44 Not so!!! Tohei Sensei, about 5' 4" or so, throwing Akebono and other large men like nothing. Back in the day before the split challangers would have to go through him...no one ever did. When you attack him you are sailing through the air, not knowing how you got there! As good as he was O'Sensei was even smaller an more powerful!
Universal component of any religion is a trust/ belief. If you believe, your brain could create a new reality for you. It is purely subjective mental self-conditioning. Aikido works on the same principle, centered around Ueshiba cult. It is pure bodymechanics with added spiritual layer of "Ki".
Ki is not a religion, it's far older, and unlike Religion, Ki was not created by 'Man' in order to control Mankind and profit from their fears.
Understanding Ki has nothing to do with 'blind' belief/trust, you just need an open mind and dedication.
The first time I experienced 'Ki' was from a Reiki (Japanese Healing Art) treatment, I understood very little of Ki at that time but the effects of which I felt amazed me which have led me to become a Reiki Practitioner myself.
The Achilles heel of Aikido is exactly this irracional component which drasticaly reduces its combat effectiveness. It makes students feel good about themselves and boost their ego but at the same time it makes them believe and rely on external, non-existing force.
The concept of Ki is very abstract, and it is difficult to explain or comprehend. But once you have experienced the effect of Ki energy, you can begin to understand it. It may seem like the person is giving way, but in reality, a flexed body is easy to control, and Ki helps control the body.
Ki is an advanced aspect of Aikido, and will need to be experienced. Also, Ki focuses on scientific bases like mechanics and grounding.
You obviously have never studied Aikido because if you had you would know that one of the Key ideas behind Aikido is the destruction of one's Ego, and you obviously never trained under a 'real' Aikido Sensei - 'rely on external, non-existing force.'???? what? You should do your Homework before you try to bring something down.
Ki is something you yourself need to experience to BEGIN to understand it, it's not something you look at on the internet via a 'LINK' and then think 'yeah I know what you mean now' , it just won't happen like that. Aikido is quite a long path in order to discover Ki energy, to experience it much faster try Reiki (Japanese Healing art), I practice both of the arts and a Reiki treatment can do amazing things as well as being very relaxing and stress busting, which alot of people out there need.
It has always seemed to me that the nature of Ki, whether it is a force as many claim or just a feeling as many advanced aikidokas describe it isn't important. What is important is how you can use the concept to make yourself a better martial artist. My 2 cents.
I'm sure this have been already said, but Chi is very much real, we're all defining it from different perspectives. Even in none Asian M.A theory of Chi is put into use. A boxing/savate coach would often tell their student to punch/kick through an object, imagining the hit before actually striking... "mental suggestions" so to speak... Ki/Chi is only bs when you fail to acknowledge its existence...
Ki is the universal energy contained in everything. But one can learn to control and use it. In Aikido lessons we practiced simple exercises like "unbreakable arm" or "unliftable samurai" :-) and so on, and it really worked. No magic, just "ki" :-).
I've been practicing aikido for nearly a year now,and beleive me they all go down when you use movement and gravity to your advantage, we can calculate gravity, about 9 kilos per second in free fall correct me if im wrong, and all this talk about ki is really pointless
so lets break it down simply
for those who beleive in spirits, ki is the surronding energy that animates bodies , ie soul
for those who beleive in science, ki is the total energy deployed in a movement such as e=mc square
No I can't, and that is my point, Ki is something that needs to be experienced, talking about it might give us a clue, but without proper training it is useless.
I've experienced Ki in aikido and Reiki,my mother is a reiki practioner, and I know it works, but how ? I cannot say. Aikido means that self-achievement(do) will be aitained by understanding how physical and spiritual energies(ki) interact and by putting everything in the right place, in the right context(ai). That place is not youtube
I would have to disagree, chi or ki, is as scientific as organic life, and I do not think it is any sort of anthropomorphization of any sort, but beyond the mere electrical charge of the universe. subtler energies exist, ki being only one type
I think the concept of 'ki' is pretty much a primitive way for the ancient masters to explain how the brain communicates with the rest of the body, and how our bodies communicate with other bodies. But it got mystified and all spookied-up by morons who think that it's a magical force that you tap into when you learn wrist-throws and meditate.
One thing that never change or improve in the history of human kind is Ignorance. Just because our technology isn't advanced enough to show chi/ki, it doesn't mean chi/ki doesn't exist. Before the invention of microscope/electron microscope, people didn't believe bacteria or virii exist, because you can't *see* them. Just because you can see or feel the magnetic field, that means it doesn't exist either?
Because we can't see something it doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. But it doesn't mean it exists either. Radio waves can be detected by radioreceptors. Classical invisible monsters can be only detected by the imagination of the gullible.
Uhm actually Chi is not a chinese or Japanese thing, it's a universal thing. Ki is really just a more advanced Chi, and is more powerful. In some countries you have to have a license to be able to know and demonstrate "ki".
shut up dudes!! of course the ki is real!! my aikido tacher left me on the ground with a single finger, the ki is just the balance with the universe, or somethin like that he said
Yes. Ki is, scientifically, called "suggestion". The Aikido master trains you to react to his fictitious strikes and fly in the air, so you do fly in the air by the power of his authority. And your gullibility. So, scientifically, ki is *precisely* bullshit.
Not at all, for example I have a freind who believes he can use "Ki". I have personally seen him do things, like move a pepsi can around the room, or even make a visible ball of energy. How do you explain those things?
As a hypnotist I have to disagree with you. The strikes aren't so much fictions as representations of strikes. The energy (all I mean by energy is force and direction) they provide for you to work with is very real and the same energy is necessarily present in any real strike. In fact, most aikidokas I know get mad when you won't really hit them because there isn't any force for them to work with. The throws are real.
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Most of the movements the thrower extends his hand so the uke grabs it. When the uke attempts to strike, it is a ridiculous "hand knife" downwards telegraphed strike one would *never* use in real life. Choreographed. Fiction.
As for Ki... Some people believe its universal energy. People do amazing things working with that concept. Others do amazing things working under the assumption that Ki is just a word that describes the feeling you get when your throws are working at a very high level. I have heard very respected aikidoka's quote this view. For me, the question of what Ki is isn't half as important as how you use the concept to become a better martial artist.
Scientifically the U.S. is just starting to understand Chi/Ki, France , Russia have come to prove its reality. It just that few have really ever cultivated it to any degree of mastership like Hohan Soken, Ueshiba, and the likes.
some guy mentioned this guys name as a responce .telling that this one can take on 40 people ..lol.. is this the videos he was talking abbout?? come ,someone please show a real fight using this style .
Aikido is conflict avoidance, hence circular motion. All fighting art resolve conflict in one sense or another - you win or lose.
Aikido as a budo study is the ultimate resolution and this is what a student studies for. Winning without conflict - katsu jin ken. But maybe this is too deep for you?
sachifre-'maybe this is too deep for you' = cat 2. remember that bit about the four levels of fight, from primitive to enlightened--1. man attacks unprovoked and kills. 2. man provokes an attack, then 'defends' and kills. 3. man receives unprovoked attacked, defends and kills. 4. man receives unprovoked attack, ends the attackers hostility without harming the attacker, and later they go out for a beer? I get snarky too sometimes, but we have a better standard (aiki) to live up to, right?
Ketsan, you are clearly not someone who studies budo. For if you were serious you would understand that what you see is exercise, not combat. Do you think that in combat so one who is skilled would take so long to disable someone? Wise up and learn. The study of budo is to perfect ones self. Hurting someone is easy, so it is not practised. Aikido cannot be made into combat, but the principles are devastating. I assume you are but a teenager with that attitude and knowledge, or simply a prick!
aikido philosophy is fundamentally against competition, so they don't go in for tournaments. even 'belts' are more so that you can adjust your practice to the skill-level of your partner than for any kind of real 'pecking order'. Greater skill is always respected and honored, but it is as one admires a teacher not a victor.
i am not a believer. For most oriental martial art, the Sifu always remains the most powerful power regardless of their age. However, it is much different in European fighting art like the boxing. The elder fighter can never compete with the younger one. They also have to match the opposent by weight.
If the other party counters attack, i do not think the old man can do anything to it.
That's because European and some asian arts work entirely differently. If you learn to use your body propperly as you do in Aikido then even if you loose 50% of your strength due to old age you're probably still going to be stronger than a younger guy who can't use his body correctly.
It's like using 90% of a 100hp engine v using 20% of a 200 hp engine.
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You're so full of shit your eyes are brown. Old aikido fucks would get schooled in a real fight with a younger man you goddamn credulous retard. In fact, it's likely that even young aikido homos would get bitch smacked in a real fight.
the weakest dogs bark the loudest. there are probably more than you think but masters are wise and avoid conflict. so you probably just haven't heard of any.
I've trained in Aikido, TKD, JKD and some diversivied styles over the years. I am a big fan of Bruce Lee and Chuck Norris. But this guy is probably the true spirit of harmony in a fighting style of martial arts. He uses a human like a sword attack. The man was very small, but powerful, in that he could throw any man around like a twenty year old at seventy; or yet throw about two or three at the same time at his age. Don't argue. Morehei was a great martial artist.
Morihei was the real Miyagi
elmuertoo 1 week ago
Anybody watching this vid who thinks it's a bunch of silly people putting on a show or some old man doing parlor tricks, READ about this man. He is a TRUE legend. His unbelievable accomplishments as a warrior is the stuff kung-fu fantasy legends are made of, yet his later personal spiritual experiences and revelations show there's is MUCH we can all learn from Master Ushiba. Things that would heal this planet if even 50% of humans on the earth took it to heart and lived his practical teachings.
PawsnFX 5 months ago
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Rice dick fraud motherfucker.
xChuckNorrisKickx 6 months ago
ki? hahaha
UntitledHead 8 months ago
one thing is sure: you will never experience anything spectacular in life when sitting all day infront of the computer. then you better stick to imaginary worlds in computer games.
Nhordmyr 9 months ago
the ad at the bottom really messes with the vid.
bamboosa 11 months ago
This is stupid, pushing shit and destroying shit with energy is a myth.
Its nothing but a figment of man's imagination. People can think of the dumbest things. Chinese martial artists thought they could destroy things with "Chi"
Yeah they also believe a Giant statue talks to them. Idiots.
StuBackbreaker26 1 year ago
@StuBackbreaker26 so your telling me im not using energy when fighting
clin1392 1 year ago
@StuBackbreaker26
Ignorance is bliss
michaelis61 1 year ago
@michaelis61 Says who? Some 2nd century philosopher?
StuBackbreaker26 1 year ago
@StuBackbreaker26 An eighteenth century poet.
IpsaPaphum 7 months ago
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@StuBackbreaker26
Ignorance is bliss.
michaelis61 1 year ago
I DO believe in Ki, but not in the way it is apply in this video. Sorry.
Ryokushindo 1 year ago
WTF, these newbies can't even go Super Saiyan.
HypobaricPiano 1 year ago 2
I'm an Aikido student and i can tell you that what appears to be Ki is really a simple lock of the wrist or another joint. The first thing I learnt is that you can control the whole body by controlling a joint
pwolfwithorns 1 year ago
aikido works... just not as well as most people who practice it seem to think... alot of these techniques are lazy versions of other true internal soft styles...
SynS7ven 1 year ago
If you understood anything about 'mind' you would not practice Satanic New Age budo.
blacksashman 1 year ago
I'd love to see this work on someone who wasn't cooperating. Myself, for example- I'd love to test one of these frauds in person.
tdavis925 1 year ago
@tdavis925 That probably would hurt. I practice aikido, and when I try to oppose the technique of a lower rank partner, it works, but when I try to oppose the technique of an advanced aikido rank partner, it hurts, and it hurts a lot.
Icekler 1 year ago
@tdavis925 You shoud watch you mouth, kid... look for "Anderson Silva" and watch his video with STEVEN SEAGEL!
kenokurose 1 year ago
@kenokurose god I hope that was a joke.
tdavis925 1 year ago 2
guess what? for all his gracefulness and swordsmanship victories over willing students etc.. death still came a knockin and when the dorr was opend ,he took him ,like he will take all,so don't be too hasty in placing faith,or awe in any man as we are quite helpless!
justaman6972 1 year ago
who doing the iai demonstration?
mateo2006 1 year ago
Remember I was here.Thai
universetechnique 1 year ago
You can clearly see from 1:12 when the students are pushing against Ueshiba, the foot of one slides back.
That clearly indicates that they are not going easy on him and are giving considerable force.
jericho696969 2 years ago 3
You cannot convince others about something that cannot be shared. Even science is not believed sometimes because somebody not experienced in science is not able to follow the logic of it. I don't train any martial art, but I'm relatively strong. I knew a master who was able to do orenai te, "iron arm". I shaked hands with him and I always give a tight grip. He was relaxed, no tension, but I couldn't grip tighter, it was suddenly hard as a stone. But how can I share this with you? I can't
solnegrolunaroja 2 years ago 2
I understand what I see.
1:06 - 1:22 what is demonstrated? Ueshiba is supposedly able to resist three young guys trying to break his posture. notice how "hard" they try...
He then touches their legs and they collapse.
He IS pretending to be able to beat them, that's the sad thing! and everybody just play along.
If he is "demonstrating" unrealistic techniques, he is just acting, not demonstrating.
RonnySayfan 2 years ago
anyway you would have no chance at beating that,this is aikido martial arts,like have you ever concentrated on more than one point with your sight? you need to be able to do that but not only ur sight,sight touch,sound,etc..,you would be able to use the bare minimum effort to acomplish something,remain focused, while tacking hits
and then there's the actual martial art moves you learn,and with a very well trained body,nothing could beat you,but i don't think you can get to that in a lifetime
drinkbudyXD 2 years ago
btw don't believe in ki,crap
drinkbudyXD 2 years ago
@drinkbudyXD So you don't know physics? hmm
PinguimMarco 1 year ago
@PinguimMarco so u are a stupid asshole? hm yap u are.
what u just said has nothing to do with what i said
drinkbudyXD 1 year ago
@RonnySayfan No, you didn't understand. =)
PinguimMarco 1 year ago
I hope my Karate study, will learn me this to trough time :)
Btw, can you give me any tips to get this kind of music?
krietkerk 2 years ago
Let that be a lesson to all martial artist - never let the respect we harbor for our teacher lead us into complete non-sense.
In the end it disrespects an old man by making him delusional.
RonnySayfan 2 years ago
Would you care to elaborate ?
chibraxial 2 years ago
Yes - learning from the vast expirience of an 80yo martial artist is great and paying him respect is appropriate.
But pretending he can actually beat you up might cause him to believe it.
Ueshiba might have been very good - but he could not have realistically thrown younger men around without their cooperation, in his later years.
RonnySayfan 2 years ago
I think you don't understand what you see. He isn't pretending to be able to beat these studients, he is demonstrating his moves.
Of course the students are cooperating: for the sake of the demonstration and also because he may be old he could still hurt their joints etc
chibraxial 2 years ago
what exactly to you call a "master" then. Gracie was beating people in his late 70s
mightyyogurt 2 years ago
Helio gracie was teaching - I don't know about beating, but he was on the mats almost to age 95.
He worked against resisting opponents, rolling partners and students.
There was plenty respect there, but nobody believed he can really beat 20 year olds.
RonnySayfan 2 years ago
lol helio last fought in his 40's and lost his last two fights.. agianst kimura, and Waldemar Santana.. please get the your face out of the gracies nut sack and talk facts not blind hype. =p
there all on the gracies website. They had alot of loses as much as wins but they only really talk about there victorys, while carlos and helio in interviews are a little more truthful, they'll lost more then a few dispite rorion gracies out right lie in the 90's that they were undefeated lol
anhkhoinguyen 2 years ago
the gracies had hardly any losses at all untill everyone in mma started learning BJJ or some kind of grappling
hazard2000 2 years ago
@RonnySayfan He didn't "thrown" them. He used Ki to redirect their efforts.
PinguimMarco 1 year ago
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venturafilmfestival 1 year ago
@RonnySayfan aikido is an internal martial art. older internal martial artists beat younger fighters.there lived a tai chi master who beat the asian wrestling champion of the time 25 rounds to 0 in a match televised live-just search for HYUANG SHENG SHYAN. also the real truth is that o'sensei's students are really really scared of him because he could kill them in an instant. in roy suenaka's(karate black belt) book it talks about how oldman o'sensei knocked him out cold with a chop stick.
matthewexpert 1 year ago
@matthewexpert , please. I've practiced korindo and chen style among other styles.
what you see here and in Huang's videos is a sad monument of Man's ability to fool himself.
RonnySayfan 1 year ago
@RonnySayfan Huang proved in the ring in a real televised fight, he whooped the guys butt, plain and simple and you can find the match on youtube here:
Huang Xingxian Vs. Liao Kuang Cheng
part 1: youtube.com/watch?v=b823tdDyywc
part 2: youtube.com/watch?v=ZoHHQT-etE4
o'sensei took on all comers in no rules fights and beat them ALL including the world champion sumo wrestler, the top judo person, etc etc. they all became o'sensei's students because o'sensei was bad ass and they knew it.
matthewexpert 1 year ago
Wow!!
"A real televised fight", huh?
Must be proof then...
Looks like crappy pro-wrestling though.
I guess I should practice Aikido or Taijiquan for another 15 years to hone my observation skills to the point of "seeing" the amazing technique employed.
RonnySayfan 1 year ago
@RonnySayfan go find a real tai chi master and tell him you want a demonstration of his fighting abilities, he'll probably tell you he's not interested but if you get one to show you then you'll see what we are all talking about... all this chi/ki masters have been challenged by the MMA types and beaten them easily. try visiting this guy in san diego youtube.com/v/qMcZddqmvw8&hl
matthewexpert 1 year ago
@matthewexpert - you know what the problem is with finding a "REAL tai chi Master", right?
Whenever you find one and beat him up - he is "proven" (to the likes of you) as not a "real master"...
Since a REAL master would never lose... it's a contradiction in terms for you.
You might have noticed I'm Israeli. San diego is somewhat beyond the range of my zeal for the matter.
Has it ever occured to you that "MMA types" include TCM practitoners?
RonnySayfan 1 year ago
@RonnySayfan im not sure what TCM means (traditional chinese medicine?) yes i think anyone can do MMA, but what i mean by "MMA types" are the "meat head" kind that think that MMA and ground and pound are the only real kinds of forces and arts. who says a real master can't lose? have you ever thought of the concept that the loser can win? the CHI/KI masters i pasted (Shyan/Osensei) all kicked the crap out of all challengers in real vale tudo type fights.
matthewexpert 1 year ago
@RonnySayfan try this guy i think his name is Peng, if you dont believe it then its up to you to go there and challenge him yourself... people have and then they became his students when they were easily thrown around like rag dolls... i think he's still alive, not sure... he was interviewed by bill moyers on pbs documentary too... youtube.com/watch?v=oGaWhP4lbys
ive never been moved by just energy but my teacher says he has been slammed down by just chi/ki and he showed me videos of it...
matthewexpert 1 year ago
@matthewexpert name is master shr, i dont know if he's real but to know you have to try in person and challenge/test him...
matthewexpert 1 year ago
My bad - I forgot the A - I meant TCMA (Traditional Chinese MA).
Regarding Peng - I'll challenge him next time he's visiting Israel.
You keep coming up with anecdotes and seconed-hand stories as arguments.
To illustrate the efficacy of the tactics and fighting style that emerged from the sport of MMA please watch UFC 1 - 121.
RonnySayfan 1 year ago
@RonnySayfan I have to disagree with when you say "To illustrate the efficacy of the tactics and fighting style that emerged from the sport of MMA please watch UFC 1 - 121". Most of the time what you see in early UFC is actual traditional martial arts that did well in the octogon before the UFC rule book became larger than the bible itself ;)
jazzyslip 1 year ago
Really?? "traditional martial arts that did well in the octogon".
which?
Judo, granted. BJJ, of course. Anything else?
The pattern that emerged in the early UFC's proved that grappling overwhelms striking.
whenever two "traditionals" met, the bigger guy won (usually without the finesse heralded as the traditional styles' "way").
when a grappler vs. striker fight was on - the grppler would usually win, regardless of his size dis-advantage.
There were, of course, exceptions.
RonnySayfan 1 year ago
@RonnySayfan You cannot compare traditional martial arts with the UFC altered styles. What you fail to mention in your analysis is that UFC is Sport. It is restricted within the confines of legal rules. Traditional martial arts have been used to kill period. Many traditional martial arts were the precursors to modern day military systems such as traditional karate, jiu jitsu, aikido, and other such styles.
maksim55669 1 year ago 2
I wrote "Early UFC". There were no rules, only "fines" (decreased prize if you gauge or bite).
There was a lot of hair-pulling, groin-hitting, some biting and eye gauging and head-stomping.
The smallest guy won 3 out of the first 4.
That's martial ART - a skill honed to the extreme applied.
Funny how you mix the Jutsu and the Do.
"Traditional" Karate and Aikido are 20th century amalgams.
RonnySayfan 1 year ago
@RonnySayfan have you ever done push hands with a tai chi master (any style) a real master, or met a real soft aikido master? its really fun because you just fall over and you dont know why... they expose your weaknesses and imbalance in a split second then send you flying... try it someday... and ive studied martial arts for quite some time too.
matthewexpert 1 year ago
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@RonnySayfan - "Let that be a lesson to all martial artist - never let the respect we harbor for our teacher lead us into complete non-sense.
In the end it disrespects an old man by making him delusional.
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I QUITE AGREE
SynS7ven 1 year ago
With your inner feelings you can sense your ki and guide. Emotion = Energy in motion. By focusing your yang and feeling your yin you create the ultimate unity which is essentially love. Love is the greatest power in this universe.
MysticUnity 2 years ago
@MysticUnity Emotion is not energy in motion. Motion IS energy and emotion IS inner motion. =D
PinguimMarco 1 year ago
In my personal experience with martial arts, and the study of Ki, I've found that (at least for myself, obviously unable to speak for others) that you have to have a very focused mind, while at the same time, have an aware and open mind in order to understand how the energy of Ki can manifest itself.
fightingchance2001 2 years ago 16
@fightingchance2001 Aikido would seem less esoteric if only we were taught the value of still minds early in our lives. Most people are in their 40s, 50s, some are on their death beds before they see the value of a still mind. I consider myself lucky to have seem its value when I was in my early teens. It made much of life easier, not just my movements across tatami.
Nateb123 1 year ago
@fightingchance2001
i have to say i know some karate sensei in japan..old and drunk everynight that use ki...i guess is not like you say then..
butcha83 1 year ago
@fightingchance2001 Ki is the mind in motion....when it is put in the body...it is called mind.
spirit and mind is actully yin and yang but reall they are one.
kenshin420jj 1 year ago
@fightingchance2001 My sensei said 'Aikido is a paradox'
Mordanis 1 year ago
Im sticking to aikido no matter what anybody says
Kenshin1080 2 years ago 67
martial arts are just a tools for human being to achieve self perfection, discipline and enlightning.
so , martial arts are neutral in that way,people are those so say aikido is better than karate or something similar.
constanzza123 2 years ago 5
@constanzza123 Indeed.
PinguimMarco 1 year ago
Which is the only way to actually stick to Aikido...
RonnySayfan 1 year ago
Been reading about Ueshiba -sensei in martial arts' book called From Lee to Li. Said he hung off a tree to sstretch a few more inches so he could join Japanese army.
SallyMyers1991 2 years ago 4
yes i understand what you mean but the problem is that in a real situation how can a shoer person do an iriminage or tenchinage to a NBA player??
browing44 2 years ago
Use a different technique? I've always been taught that Aikido should be spontaneous, you should just react with the Energy/situation or both your given.
DanOMusicLover 2 years ago 4
so true..
sweeetly 2 years ago 2
you have to practice to check this out. the focus is not the arm strenght. It´s the chi and gravity centre of the body, right below the belly button.
JeanMixaLot 2 years ago
@browing44 it´s possible if you know the technique, no matter how high is your opponent, look for "Hanmi Handachi" techniques and you´ll see it.
Yamahalf 1 year ago
you must be very tall like steven seagal to do these techniques
browing44 2 years ago
noooooo.......
sullivangang 2 years ago
the effective achilles feet of aikido is that you can t do some techniques if you are short iriminage tenchinage and some kokyunage you are limited if you are short
browing44 2 years ago
that's not correct o sensei was short you just need to practice harder and be more sincere
sullivangang 2 years ago
Think about where Aikido originates from. Then ask yourself on average how tall are the people that inhabit that country?
Pretty simple stuff really...
DanOMusicLover 2 years ago
@browing44 Not so!!! Tohei Sensei, about 5' 4" or so, throwing Akebono and other large men like nothing. Back in the day before the split challangers would have to go through him...no one ever did. When you attack him you are sailing through the air, not knowing how you got there! As good as he was O'Sensei was even smaller an more powerful!
hulker122 1 year ago
Universal component of any religion is a trust/ belief. If you believe, your brain could create a new reality for you. It is purely subjective mental self-conditioning. Aikido works on the same principle, centered around Ueshiba cult. It is pure bodymechanics with added spiritual layer of "Ki".
mountainpatriot 2 years ago
i thought ki is energy, it's not entirely spiritual is it? isn't it science?
artemizzy 2 years ago
Ki is not a religion, it's far older, and unlike Religion, Ki was not created by 'Man' in order to control Mankind and profit from their fears.
Understanding Ki has nothing to do with 'blind' belief/trust, you just need an open mind and dedication.
The first time I experienced 'Ki' was from a Reiki (Japanese Healing Art) treatment, I understood very little of Ki at that time but the effects of which I felt amazed me which have led me to become a Reiki Practitioner myself.
DanOMusicLover 2 years ago
The Achilles heel of Aikido is exactly this irracional component which drasticaly reduces its combat effectiveness. It makes students feel good about themselves and boost their ego but at the same time it makes them believe and rely on external, non-existing force.
mountainpatriot 2 years ago
The concept of Ki is very abstract, and it is difficult to explain or comprehend. But once you have experienced the effect of Ki energy, you can begin to understand it. It may seem like the person is giving way, but in reality, a flexed body is easy to control, and Ki helps control the body.
Ki is an advanced aspect of Aikido, and will need to be experienced. Also, Ki focuses on scientific bases like mechanics and grounding.
JediMaster445 2 years ago
You obviously have never studied Aikido because if you had you would know that one of the Key ideas behind Aikido is the destruction of one's Ego, and you obviously never trained under a 'real' Aikido Sensei - 'rely on external, non-existing force.'???? what? You should do your Homework before you try to bring something down.
DanOMusicLover 2 years ago
link to prove, to my knowledge only bodymechanics explain it, solid ki prove is not there
mailbishie 2 years ago
Ki is something you yourself need to experience to BEGIN to understand it, it's not something you look at on the internet via a 'LINK' and then think 'yeah I know what you mean now' , it just won't happen like that. Aikido is quite a long path in order to discover Ki energy, to experience it much faster try Reiki (Japanese Healing art), I practice both of the arts and a Reiki treatment can do amazing things as well as being very relaxing and stress busting, which alot of people out there need.
DanOMusicLover 2 years ago
It has always seemed to me that the nature of Ki, whether it is a force as many claim or just a feeling as many advanced aikidokas describe it isn't important. What is important is how you can use the concept to make yourself a better martial artist. My 2 cents.
Wolfwood7149 2 years ago 2
I'm sure this have been already said, but Chi is very much real, we're all defining it from different perspectives. Even in none Asian M.A theory of Chi is put into use. A boxing/savate coach would often tell their student to punch/kick through an object, imagining the hit before actually striking... "mental suggestions" so to speak... Ki/Chi is only bs when you fail to acknowledge its existence...
xxljmzlxx 2 years ago
Ki is the universal energy contained in everything. But one can learn to control and use it. In Aikido lessons we practiced simple exercises like "unbreakable arm" or "unliftable samurai" :-) and so on, and it really worked. No magic, just "ki" :-).
bygpepa 2 years ago
ki is same as chi, nem, the force, etc...ki is what surrounds the universe, and ki is everything and in everyone, its just the way the universe flow
hendrikmarine 2 years ago
you could remove the message bar from the video (you already inform us about the site in the description)
some parts are hard to watch , leg movement and balance
thank you
Chunkypopscrak 2 years ago
I've been practicing aikido for nearly a year now,and beleive me they all go down when you use movement and gravity to your advantage, we can calculate gravity, about 9 kilos per second in free fall correct me if im wrong, and all this talk about ki is really pointless
so lets break it down simply
for those who beleive in spirits, ki is the surronding energy that animates bodies , ie soul
for those who beleive in science, ki is the total energy deployed in a movement such as e=mc square
Owned
burntcells 2 years ago 2
Do your research a bit more kid, because you don't know the first thing about Ki.
There's far, far more to Ki than throwing people around, as well as Aikido I study Reiki and I don't throw anyone around in that, it's a healing art!
Can you put that into a Scientific Equation for me?
DanOMusicLover 2 years ago
No I can't, and that is my point, Ki is something that needs to be experienced, talking about it might give us a clue, but without proper training it is useless.
I've experienced Ki in aikido and Reiki,my mother is a reiki practioner, and I know it works, but how ? I cannot say. Aikido means that self-achievement(do) will be aitained by understanding how physical and spiritual energies(ki) interact and by putting everything in the right place, in the right context(ai). That place is not youtube
burntcells 2 years ago 3
Ki is not some supernatural thing , the japanese use KI to describe anything with essence , basically
Aur0rah 3 years ago
I would have to disagree, chi or ki, is as scientific as organic life, and I do not think it is any sort of anthropomorphization of any sort, but beyond the mere electrical charge of the universe. subtler energies exist, ki being only one type
cheebahawk082 3 years ago
I think the concept of 'ki' is pretty much a primitive way for the ancient masters to explain how the brain communicates with the rest of the body, and how our bodies communicate with other bodies. But it got mystified and all spookied-up by morons who think that it's a magical force that you tap into when you learn wrist-throws and meditate.
kodokwai 3 years ago
Actually, my opinion is that Ki is very scientific. I feel it is an intuitive understanding of math, physics and anatomy.
cloudstone123 3 years ago 2
One thing that never change or improve in the history of human kind is Ignorance. Just because our technology isn't advanced enough to show chi/ki, it doesn't mean chi/ki doesn't exist. Before the invention of microscope/electron microscope, people didn't believe bacteria or virii exist, because you can't *see* them. Just because you can see or feel the magnetic field, that means it doesn't exist either?
gamma105 3 years ago
Because we can't see something it doesn't mean that it exists. Flying spaghetti monster is a good example.
XenOtai 3 years ago
Radiowave as well you Null.
Subspace4d 2 years ago
Because we can't see something it doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. But it doesn't mean it exists either. Radio waves can be detected by radioreceptors. Classical invisible monsters can be only detected by the imagination of the gullible.
Eikinkloster 2 years ago
Ki Power? HA What is "KI?" A japanese misinterpretation of Chinese Chi
QianHanXiongShou 3 years ago
Uhm ...
Ki is japanese for energy...
It's just a translation. Try to be well informed before you make these kind of comments.
GovernorOfCarpTown 3 years ago
Put your beginners book to "ki" down and do some research before you even think of clicking on my reply.
QianHanXiongShou 3 years ago
Ok, as you wish, saves me a lot of time and effort.
GovernorOfCarpTown 3 years ago
Uhm actually Chi is not a chinese or Japanese thing, it's a universal thing. Ki is really just a more advanced Chi, and is more powerful. In some countries you have to have a license to be able to know and demonstrate "ki".
ChadMaestro 3 years ago
crap talk!
QianHanXiongShou 3 years ago
Your face is crap talk.
ChadMaestro 3 years ago 2
shut up dudes!! of course the ki is real!! my aikido tacher left me on the ground with a single finger, the ki is just the balance with the universe, or somethin like that he said
hendrikmarine 3 years ago
no 100perc bullshit ki universe for u
muddassarfarooq333 3 years ago
BULLSHIT u think whatrever u want...i know what it can do...so i dont care for the opinion of an eceptic asshole, have a nice day
hendrikmarine 3 years ago
K, then from a scientific view point, how is "ki" bullshit?
Numb4223 3 years ago
Yes. Ki is, scientifically, called "suggestion". The Aikido master trains you to react to his fictitious strikes and fly in the air, so you do fly in the air by the power of his authority. And your gullibility. So, scientifically, ki is *precisely* bullshit.
Eikinkloster 2 years ago
Not at all, for example I have a freind who believes he can use "Ki". I have personally seen him do things, like move a pepsi can around the room, or even make a visible ball of energy. How do you explain those things?
Numb4223 2 years ago
Too much sake.
Eikinkloster 2 years ago
the Ki is real, Morihei ueshiba defeated big man with his 1.50 Meters.
If you dont Fly in the air these tecniques can brake you an arm.
walk45 2 years ago
As a hypnotist I have to disagree with you. The strikes aren't so much fictions as representations of strikes. The energy (all I mean by energy is force and direction) they provide for you to work with is very real and the same energy is necessarily present in any real strike. In fact, most aikidokas I know get mad when you won't really hit them because there isn't any force for them to work with. The throws are real.
... continued in my next post
Wolfwood7149 2 years ago 2
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Most of the movements the thrower extends his hand so the uke grabs it. When the uke attempts to strike, it is a ridiculous "hand knife" downwards telegraphed strike one would *never* use in real life. Choreographed. Fiction.
Eikinkloster 2 years ago
As for Ki... Some people believe its universal energy. People do amazing things working with that concept. Others do amazing things working under the assumption that Ki is just a word that describes the feeling you get when your throws are working at a very high level. I have heard very respected aikidoka's quote this view. For me, the question of what Ki is isn't half as important as how you use the concept to become a better martial artist.
Wolfwood7149 2 years ago 3
Scientifically the U.S. is just starting to understand Chi/Ki, France , Russia have come to prove its reality. It just that few have really ever cultivated it to any degree of mastership like Hohan Soken, Ueshiba, and the likes.
OkinawaShorinryu 2 years ago 3
some guy mentioned this guys name as a responce .telling that this one can take on 40 people ..lol.. is this the videos he was talking abbout?? come ,someone please show a real fight using this style .
ledkeeper 3 years ago
ahhahaha
mr3ggroll 3 years ago
just lol... FAKE
eeelf 3 years ago
ucc hamburg have a video like that..
fewag 3 years ago
is the one demonstrating the ken katas O´SENSEI? he looks younger than on other videos.....
jdanccastro 3 years ago
I say No.
gsg9ff 3 years ago
Cradlecoffer,
Aikido is conflict avoidance, hence circular motion. All fighting art resolve conflict in one sense or another - you win or lose.
Aikido as a budo study is the ultimate resolution and this is what a student studies for. Winning without conflict - katsu jin ken. But maybe this is too deep for you?
sachifre 3 years ago
sachifre-'maybe this is too deep for you' = cat 2. remember that bit about the four levels of fight, from primitive to enlightened--1. man attacks unprovoked and kills. 2. man provokes an attack, then 'defends' and kills. 3. man receives unprovoked attacked, defends and kills. 4. man receives unprovoked attack, ends the attackers hostility without harming the attacker, and later they go out for a beer? I get snarky too sometimes, but we have a better standard (aiki) to live up to, right?
LisaTheSerf 3 years ago
Well said, LisaTheSerf. I'd love to attack you unprovoked some day so we can later go out and get that beer.
OneAngryAsian 3 years ago
Ketsan, you are clearly not someone who studies budo. For if you were serious you would understand that what you see is exercise, not combat. Do you think that in combat so one who is skilled would take so long to disable someone? Wise up and learn. The study of budo is to perfect ones self. Hurting someone is easy, so it is not practised. Aikido cannot be made into combat, but the principles are devastating. I assume you are but a teenager with that attitude and knowledge, or simply a prick!
sachifre 3 years ago
sachfire, Aikido is conflict resolution. Please learn and practice that for God's sake.
cradlecoffer 3 years ago
But I think Aikio can not use in Mixed Martial Art Fighting Tournament, such as UFC,K1,Pride Fighting,etc.
danieltambunan 3 years ago
aikido philosophy is fundamentally against competition, so they don't go in for tournaments. even 'belts' are more so that you can adjust your practice to the skill-level of your partner than for any kind of real 'pecking order'. Greater skill is always respected and honored, but it is as one admires a teacher not a victor.
LisaTheSerf 3 years ago 2
lol box sucks in aikido you can really hurt a boxer or a guy whos attack you with hands... legs you can counter too but you need much training :)
mis206 3 years ago
i am not a believer. For most oriental martial art, the Sifu always remains the most powerful power regardless of their age. However, it is much different in European fighting art like the boxing. The elder fighter can never compete with the younger one. They also have to match the opposent by weight.
If the other party counters attack, i do not think the old man can do anything to it.
tongmeito 3 years ago
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Well said tongmeito; o'senshit was a fraud and that legacy of fraud continues today in the various aikido "masters" around the world.
Blndrfist 3 years ago
Like you'd know.
ketsan 3 years ago
That's because European and some asian arts work entirely differently. If you learn to use your body propperly as you do in Aikido then even if you loose 50% of your strength due to old age you're probably still going to be stronger than a younger guy who can't use his body correctly.
It's like using 90% of a 100hp engine v using 20% of a 200 hp engine.
ketsan 3 years ago
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You're so full of shit your eyes are brown. Old aikido fucks would get schooled in a real fight with a younger man you goddamn credulous retard. In fact, it's likely that even young aikido homos would get bitch smacked in a real fight.
Blndrfist 3 years ago
So your ikkyo's pretty good then? Eh?
ketsan 3 years ago
He's using his Chi(Ki)and it makes him make fast movements, and also be able to project Chi to his opponents.
imaginator 3 years ago
Imaginator,
In this respect it would be called Ki, as the art is Japanese.
daragaaz 3 years ago 3
hence ai KI do no?
H4I2I2EE 3 years ago
Yes.
Ai-ki-do.
ntipouan 3 years ago
Ai = Harmony
Ki = Spirit
Do = Way
ejbh3160 3 years ago
i'm scared... have a any strange things in this video? or is my impression
ud0ks 3 years ago
Funny, in the middle of that someone is performing Iaido, Omori Ryu and Hassagawa-Eishin Ryu kata.
kbs1138 3 years ago 2
Morehei trained in many styles before inventing Aikido. But today just a few can use Aikido in a true fight, I guess.
anhvu1962 3 years ago 3
the weakest dogs bark the loudest. there are probably more than you think but masters are wise and avoid conflict. so you probably just haven't heard of any.
captainwillies69 3 years ago 3
I've trained in Aikido, TKD, JKD and some diversivied styles over the years. I am a big fan of Bruce Lee and Chuck Norris. But this guy is probably the true spirit of harmony in a fighting style of martial arts. He uses a human like a sword attack. The man was very small, but powerful, in that he could throw any man around like a twenty year old at seventy; or yet throw about two or three at the same time at his age. Don't argue. Morehei was a great martial artist.
longwanghung 3 years ago 9
Exelente video muchas gracias por compartirlo
aikizen 3 years ago
thank you for this
ilostabuttonhole 4 years ago