@posa67 Well, I'll keep trying to give Devia a chance, although it hasn't been apparent to me at first what so many other people have been saying. Maybe it's just an issue of finding a recording she has done that I couldn't appreciate earlier.
In questo pezzo è meravigliosa, sentito dal vivo è un'emozione unica che però riesce a passare anche in registrazione. Grazie per aver interpretato così egregiamente il ruolo di Lucrezia Borgia peccato solo che in italia non esista interesse a pubblicare un dvd o un cd di quest'opera.
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the Eb at the end is wonderful, but her agility is forced and unatural. I think Devia is more of a lyric soprano with a good top (she doesn't have the agility of a coloratura and her voice is extremely dark)
because lucrezia is written for a dramatic coloratura soprano, and this is bel canto, not Puccini. technique comes first in bel canto, even before acting ability. an emotionless singer who can't act but has perfect technique and a beautiful voice is a better bel canto singer than a good actress with decent techique. devia's technique isn't terrible (on the contrary it's pretty good for the most part) but her coloratura aren't florid and her lower head voice sounds hollow.
che perfezione,ogni nota centrata in pieno ed in piu' uno squisito senso della coloratura con una splendida puntatura finale. Supera molte delle blasonate colleghe. Mi spiace per la Gruberova che tra l'altro sbaglia anche l'acuto nella produzione di Monaco.
Secondo me si salva solo il mib alla fine .... il fraseggio non è a tempo, non so perchè ma in questo ruolo non mi piace. Lo sta facendo in questi giorni ad Ancona ed ha gli stessi problemi di questo video, anche se leggermente accentuati ... sembra sempre in affanno .... boh: la Devia mi è sempre piaciuta, ma non qui ....
infatti ad ancona fu un trionfo. sarebbe interessante sapere dove pensi sia in affanno, visto che i fiati sono infiniti. e dov'e` che il "fraseggio" non e` a tempo? ma non scherziamo!
brava devia al fin cantado afinado y no todo lleno de desafinos y con la voz temblequ como la horrorosa gruberova que lo hace a SU manera llenanod de portamentos y desafinaciones
I think that this has got to be the finest soprano I've ever heard, thanks to coloraturafan I've gotten a chance to really appreciate this wonderful artist. I have to honestly say that she surpasses Gruberova in every possible way.
@skitzo429 Something she could work on is singing her runs legato, so that they sound smooth as opposed to pointed. There's also an unevenness in her tone when she makes transitions from the bottom of her range to the middle.
@miphki67 I'm not saying that other parts are not beautiful on this clip. She floats some nice piannissimi and has a clear high note at the end. Specifically, what I'm referring to is her legato runs, and especially those in the lower register. 1:35 - 1:39 is the part where she has the most trouble in this clip, in my humble opinion. It sounds disjointed and pointed...definitely not smooth and legato.
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I must day that Devia is better than Gruberova in the ornamentations of this aria. She sounds more smoth in doing this, where Gruberova always sounds a little bid strained because of the low tessitura. By the ohther side, I have to say, that the high note at the end is much better sung by Gruberova than by Devia, who's e-flat sounds thin, while Gruberovas note is much bigger. I love both!
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In the middle she sounds a little bid - forgive me: like a old hen. The trills are not correct and the e-flat sounds thin and "stilted". Also no acting. The voice is perfect on pitch, but sooo little (heard her live in Dortmund). Devia much better than Gruberova? That must be the reason why Gruberova will sing Lucrezia the next years in Vienna,Dresden,Munich,Budapest,Barcelona and Tokyo and Devia two times in a little town named "Ancona" :-)
No, No and No, you could not be more wrong in your critique of Devia. But I would imagine that is the point... Right? You want to slam Devia to make yourself feel better about liking Gruberova? Well your comment only proves how little you appreciate real art. So enjoy listening to Gruberova as her voice continues to fall apart. Maybe she'll scoop up to an Eb (ish - scream) in Vienna or Dresden for you.
@coloraturafan I gotta agree with you...the yodel and scream had me pretty troubled, especially after the likes of Leyla Gencer and Joan Sutherland, it's hard to sell a flawed ending to this opera.
@coloraturafan LOL I have never seen coloratura fan go off like this, but I like it! AT any rate, I do agree with you about Devia's artistry over Gruberova. I am not a Devia fanatic, but I do appreciate her vocal artistry, especially in comparison to Gruberova who fell apart long ago IMO. Brava!
nice try, maria borgia (lol). unfortunately for yourself, you sound ridiculous. i was present at la scala's performance, and your comment could not be far away from the truth. it is a shame for artists like gruberova that her fans involve her in such vulgar comments. you end up discrediting the singer you like.
So Gruberova is not singing operas in Italy anymore? I am not surprised. I suppose there is hardly any belcanto tradition in the cities you mentioned.
Je trouve votre commentaire très injustifié. Vous avez le droit de ne pas aimer La Devia, tous les goûts sont dans la nature. Cependant pour l'avoir entendu en live, certes la voix n'est pas très grande (Gruberova non plus d'ailleurs) mais est-ce un défaut? Nombreux sont les chanteurs dont les voix ne sont pas immenses ... Ce n'est pas pour autant qu'ils ne savent pas s'en servir! Et puis chanter à Vienna, Dersden etc ... ne veut pas forcement dire qu'on est un bon chanteur!
@TheMariaBorgia Yes, I also prefer Gruberova's version, and I do agree with the substance of your comments, if not the way they were expressed. (Remember we have a lot of passionate opera fans on here. ) I never quite got Devia. There's just something missing about her performance. Gruberova really makes chills go up my spine when I listen to and watch her performance. And I think she sings better than ever now that she's over 60.
@dougbalt While I cannot say I agree with all of your comment here, I can say that listening to Gruberova's last Borgia gave me chills. What I find really sad is the fact that Gruberova WAS a great singer, and yet she will be remembered by the public from these horrible performances that they keep releasing onto commercial dvd.
@coloraturafan I'm interested to know why you think her more recent performances on DVD are horrible. I don't hear it myself, and most of the scholarship in Germany and Austria (written in German), where her greatest fan base lies, also think just the opposite, that in more recent years her singing has actually improved. But I respect your opinion, obvious from the great taste you have in clips, so maybe you'll make me think differently.
@TheJayBee1988 Come on, now TheJayBee1988!!!! Tell the truth!!!! Say it again!!! I find it strange that folks will even compare Gruberova's "ok, let's walk away from the music stand and find the perfect yodel" High E-flat ending with the fierce vocalism of Devia. There really is no comparison. I guess we have to trust folks to like what they like, eh? Devia gave us all a chance to hear this role sung to perfection, like Sutherland did in the 70's for her fans. The woman is fierce!!!
@TheJayBee1988 I get why people argue that Devia's high notes are technically better, but I simply enjoy Gruberova's voice, her singing, and her acting more.
Estoy convencido de que hay muchos factores que dan gloria a una cantante como Mariella .Cara aparte de los talentos vocales han resultado útiles para esta interpretación de un refinamiento de la interpretación de un personaje tan profundo y dramático uno que se desvía y evita cualquier expresión de agradecimiento . Bravisisma!!!!!!!
Hi tickets for Borgia go on sale December 16, you can go to the Ancona teatro delle Muse website. Right now there are some really cheap flights into Ancona from the US for those dates in Feb. The Borgia is going to be a concert performance, but Borgia is one of her greatest roles. She hasn't sung Borgia in 5 years, so it is a really special treat for everyone. I will be there in Anocna, along with thejaybee1988 :)
I tried to send you a message, but could not. Basically, you are right, it might be tough to get seats for Borgia in Ancona, You will pretty much have to wait until Dec 16 before you will know if seats are open. I really think it will be worth the trouble, and there are a lot of cheap flights into Ancona that time of year. If you have any other questions, send me a message.
You CANNOT compare Gruberova and Devia.... two very differnt singers. I have always been a very big fan of Gruberova, but Borgia is not as big of a success as I had hoped. I know her retirement is forecoming and I think it is time she put her once great voice to rest.
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I saw Grubverova as Lucrezia last week in Munich. She was absolutely fantastic, superb! High notes, coloratura, big voice, great acting... I can assure that it's not time for her retirement! Let's enjoy her Devereux next March and Anna Bolena in Barcelona, 2011. Then I'll tell you!
Although I like Devia as a great performer, her voice lacks of power, especially in the high notes moreover her acting is really poor. I can't say the same about Gruberova... Don't you think??
I am very glad to hear that Gruberova was in good voice last week!!! I do know for certain she has announced her retirement, and I am happy for her. She has had a long and beautiful career, and I hope she gives lots of masterclasses on voice. When it comes to acting, Gruberova has a wonderful stage presence, but moreover she uses her voice to build character. I think Devia employs a different style, but here their different styles do not bother me, I still love Devia.
Gruberova doesn't announced her retirement or something else!!! I spoke with her about this after a Lucrezia in Munich. She has contracts until 2014 and is studying new roles at the moment. for example LA STRANIERA, which she will perform in Zürich 2012/2013. Next year she will sing NORMA at the Salzburg Festival.........
Please let me know, where you read this. As you can see on her schedule she has plenty of performances all over the world the next year: Salzurg festival (as Norma), Munich, Madrid, Brüssel, Cologne, Hamburg an many more. She also will perform Lucrezia Borgia and Anna Bolena at the Vienna State Opera and will sing 2011 a new production of Anna Bolena at the Liceu She studies Pirata and Straniera. In her recent recital in Gstaad she sang a high f''' in the Hamlet-aria...
All what you have said (at least about Devia) is just NOT right!
I have seen her yesterday in La Traviata, and trust me, her higher register is BRILLIANT, and her high notes are huge... even her often-criticised lower register was deep and had more colours to it than ever before...
Indeed. I am a great fan of Edita, will be following her until the day she will retire, but agree Borgia is not the top of her work. She is still faboulus as Lucia (seen her may 2009), gonna she her Zerbinetta in december as well as concert of arias, both in Vienna.
I'm quite amazed that her voice remains as gorgeous as it does! It's amazing, really. It's hard to believe that she's in her mid-50s in this clip. And even her Maria Stuarda at La Scala a couple of years ago was fantastic. Devia's voice held up better than both Sutherland and Gruberova! (though, of course, both are fantastic)
This is very good singing. Perhaps not ravishingly exciting, but so well sheperded and sings so well that we can forgive some of the less than thrilling moments, perhaps.
It's exactly because she is extremely cautious in her low register that she is is able to sing like this at her age. Abusing your chest register can certainly sound exciting but it is the surest way to lose your voice. The voice just breaks in two or more parts.
Ho conosciuto personalmente e sentito cantare mille volte la Signora Devia, devo dire che è una delle più grandi cantanti italiane degli ultimi vent'anni.
Una bellissima voce con una bellissima tecnica e mai mai mai una sbavatura o una volgarità.
Der Gebrauch der eigenen Sprache ist notwendig, um deutliche Worte zu sprechen- ich bin erstaunt, dass ganz offensichtlich nicht wahrgenommen wird: eine sehr seltene Erfüllung vokaler Potenz ist zu erleben. Wie können Zweifel bestehen, dass Mrs.Devia eine herausragende Erscheinung in der Rezeption des Belcanto sein kann? Der Reichtum der vokalen Bewältigung und Schattierungen sind historisch, die Kontrolle des durchgebildeten Soprans angesichts des Alters der Sängerin ehrfürchtig stimmend!
Sono convinta che siano molti i fattori che rendono gloria ad una cantante di questa levatura.Cara Mariella a parte le doti vocali uniche e preziose hai dimostrato in questa interpretazione una raffinatezza di interpretazione di un personaggio così profondo unico e drammatico che ne svia ed elude ogni termine di confronto.Bravisisma.Coloraturafan grazie!
She has a beautiful voice in her middle-high and higher registers, but NO CHEST VOICE...you need Chest voice for Anna Bolena, Lucrezia, etc, she should stick to doing Amina and Lucia (though for Lucia you still need a good middle register).
WOW! What a performance! Brava, brava, brava!!! Fabulous! And that last note (a high e-flat, I believe) is wonderful! Another wonderful post from coloraturafan!
In part I agree with OperaLover84. The coloratura, although perfect doesn't sound as effortless and nimble as others do, it has a laboured quality. Take Beverly Hoch's Proch's Variations if you don't get what I mean, this is how I want my coloratura to sound. I'm sure this is simply a personal preference as I really dislike Devia's vibrato, it's too wide for my liking and hence her voice is ruined for me. No doubt she has a great voice, I just don't like it. However the phrase at 2:22 I do like.
I just listened to Devia singing the Bell song and it's like listening to different person to the one here. Her upper registers are fantastic, I'm just not too enamoured with the stuff lower down.
Proch's variations? You want to be kidding... do you really think a singer should apply the same style to Proch's variations and Lucrezia Borgia? The dramatic content is slightly different, isn't it? If there is any drama in the Proch's variations lol. In fact Serafin refused to record them with Callas, so silly the music is. She is of course different in the Bell Song, because the style is different. Don't you think?
This has nothing to do with the way the piece is supposed to be sung, quite the opposite in fact. I am rather funny when it comes to opera in that I generally couldn't care less for the "correct" way to sing such a piece(within reason of course). I dislike the heavier coloratura of Devia and that's all there is too it. Correct it might be, but to my ears it's not as pleasing.
People bash Fleming for getting something stylistically wrong, yet it sounds wonderful and I enjoy it.
Okay, let's make this clear, and I am growing tired of this pointless discussion, I was not attacking anyone. I was pointing out that Operalover84's comment was wrong, dead wrong. It isn't subject to personal taste or opinion, he said Devia's coloratura was labored, and that is wrong. If you plan on posting comments at least get your facts correct. I said it was laughable, because in the context of his remark it was. Now, what I find more laughable is your wasting my time with this.
No your comment was rude (not some friendly warning), acting as if my statement was an attack on someone. Btw, I am glad to see you don't have time for most of my postings, I would hate to think they were wasted on someone like you.
Okay first off I don't attack anyone, but if I disagree with someones comments I am going to express that. If someone says something stupid I will call them out on it. If you, or anyone else, don't like that I have a simple solution: don't bother your time with my video postings.
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I think she is wonderful too -- but I dont get it -- with such an amazing voice, why do her coloratura runs sound so labored?! It's really difficult to listen to. C'mon Devia! This needs to be much faster too.
Coloratura runs labored??? Really, I would like to see if you could point out where there is any labored singing! This performance is without question one of the greatest in the history of this opera. To say that the coloratura is labored is laughable, and shows a lack of knowledge on the subject. We are all entitled to our own opinion but when you say something that isn't true, and isn't based at all in fact, then it has to be pointed out.
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Look, I agree that this is a wonderful performance...and don't get me wrong, I LOVE Devia! But her coloratura IS, in fact, a little slow and, yes, labored. It does not flow as freely as say, Sutherland or Gruberova, who have TRUE coloratura abilities. Devia's runs are too aspirated and not entirely "on the breath" as we in the music field, who do not have a "lack of knowledge on the subject" like to say. If you can't see this, then I suggest you change that little screen name of yours...
Listen, I grow tired of your pointless, useless remarks. You may think you know something about music, and I am sure your head is filled with pride on the subject. Good for you, but you are in fact incorrect, the coloratura is NOT labored. I guess listening to all that Fleming has warped your judgment in this area. Whatever the case, do us all a favor and leave me and my videos alone. My time is better spent posting videos for everyones enjoyment, not wasting my time with you.
My dear, we are all operalovers here and if you are a singer (we in the music field) we are the public, and the public knows we have here a great rendition of the aria. Did you read anything about public's role in the arts? I wish you can arrive these heights in your interpretations in "the music fields", and satisfy your public as Mariella Devia does in this performance!
Ok, let's have a discussion. I was present at this performance. The coloratura, first of all, is not aspirated or laboured in the slightest. On the contrary every note is distinguishable, as it should be in coloratura di forza. Secondly, the pitch is perfect at any height hence the notes are never prepared from below. Thirdly, the breath spans are incredible, that is why she can afford to sing these floris passages at this tempo (think about it).
Unfortunately other less skilled singers have to speed up the tempo and slide through the notes because they are simply unable to cope with the long lines. When Toscanini asked Toti Dal Monte to sing Caro Nome with a more sostenuto tempo, she had to say: "Maestro, I would not get to the end of the aria". Lucrezia Borgia is not a clockwork nightingale. The singing must be dramatic, electric and in the theatre it sounded fabulous. Take some time to listen to more music and reflect.
If there was ever a soul singer, Mariella Devia is one. One should try to compare this phenomenal singer to Joan Sutherland. It would be like trying to compare a pinot grigio to a cabernet sauvignon. They are superb artists, but very different.
This is the best performance of this aria on the entire web. The final cadenza is such a bold decision to perform in the Scala and she does it amazing. I dont think that Devia's voice would find a part in which it would sound better. Lucrezia is Mariella and she does it in an absolutely breathtaking way. I would like to call attention also to her masmerizing artistic skills. She opts for very sparing gestures and almost no mimics, which makes it all more suggestive.
Again you paint a vivid picture of your ignorance when it comes to this singer. I would suspect that you are too biased to actually listen and enjoy this, to bad for you. This Borgia was so well received, and a wonderful night in Milan.
I have to admit you got one thing right, for once, it was a fabulous Eb.
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If i followeed Milan audience's acceptances -as u all do blindly- I would have adored dreadful singers!
But Devia is general is a very very good singer, but not the goddess u present her to be. It's just that as always with singers who do not attract attention, her vocal flaws are not well described so u all "ignorants-without-personal-opinion" think that just because no one bothers to describe her flaws, there arent any :))
We meet again loopy Lohengrin. This time you will not have a chance to delete my messages. Or the ones that show your incompetence, the ones you do not like to appear under the videos you upload. Keep deleting messages, keep deleting reality, and keep dropping shit on beautiful things like a pigeon. It will take you far in life.
Yes, Lohengrin has deleted my comments on his videos also. I would return the favor here and remove his comments, but they show him to be exactly what he is. I will let you fill in the blanks... I know he doesn't care for me or my comments; but if he thinks himself better than I am then he should let my words speak for themself instead of removing them. In any event, how can anyone be insulted by a "man" who loves La Fleming in belcanto roles????
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1. i wouldnt speak to you if i didnt respect your opinion I dont respond to everyone I usually ignore the freaks who write here
2. if u think im writing stupidities u have every right to delete and block me that is why youtube gives that option
3. yes i love Fleming in bel canto You like Devia in Bolena! Devia in Bolena is 100 times more lol than any stylistic mistake Fleming ever made in bel canto
4. Canary bird lovers like u are the most feminine kind of gays around
I have to respond to your witty retort. Lohengrin, yes, I have every right to delete your ignorant comments. I do LOVE Devia, and yes, I think she has more talent in her little finger than La Fleming does in her entire voice. That fact that you would say I am "the most feminine kind of gay" is laughable! You are a sick joke of a man. You don't know me. Pass judgement all you like on singers, I could care less. But don't make personal comments about someone you will NEVER know.
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- devia in her entire career never captured the magic that Fleming has in one of her notes:))
-Singers with one good register in their voices like Devia are and will always remain seconds This particular sample of singing u have here is the ultimate proof of how hard Devia tries to sustain nothing more than an almost not-decent vocal line in her middle voice. I would rather hear Tebaldi singing Lucrezia that this abomination that no decent opera lover ever even bothered to bash;)
Yeah, I think I got your message: Devia = second rate, Fleming = goddess. If you say so, we can let history be the judge. The fact is that you continue to insult me on a personal level with your comment, "Canary bird lovers like u are the most feminine kind of gays around." Since we are taking cracks at each other, this is how I picture Lohengrin: a sad old fat queen, with 100 cats laying around him, as he cruises youtube and gay chat sites... in the hope that some poor slob will... ya know SAD!
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-im 34 and actually rather thin ahahhahahahah
-ofc fleming is a Goddess You may hate her because she is tremendously talented plus a gorgeously looking woman (not this freak of ugliness devia is)...
-If i looked like Devia I wouldnt let anyone film me! not invite cameras in every tiny little rehearsal i ever made looooool Has ever been a singer with more efforts to achieve publicity than Devia? every performance of hers is actually filmed? PLSSSSSSSSS COME AND FILM ME!
Lohengrin-I am surprised at your tasteless comments! I have sometimes agreed with you but not when it comes to Devia. If you could try to release yourself of the "star syndrome" from which you suffer, you would realize that you are wrong! First of all Fleming and Devia should not be mentioned in the same sentence. Devia, as a technician and in terms of range is superior to Fleming. But Fleming is a star because of marketing, not because she is a great talent.
You remind me of that man who was driving in the opposite direction and thought that every other driver was wrong and called them stupid. I really hope that in life you are not involved in any activity that can harm people, through your lack of discernement. It would be sad.
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you actually call "many" those who hate Fleming? is that why every single performance of hers is sold out in secs? and in the audience you always find the most distinguished and intelligent people?
Try for once in your life to stop parrotizing idiotic music reviewers who represent the very mental degeneration of the gay culture that hates everything genuinly beautiful and divinises excrutiatingly ugly, drag-queen figures like this of Mariella Devia.
Sorry I do not gauge art according to the time it takes to sell. I leave that assessment to supermarket's stuff. Van Gogh never sold a painting in his life, loopy Lo.
This is a TRUE LESSON: style, phrasing, power, adequation between the music and the characterization of the role. It's vocally sublime, I believe a great Lucrezia Borgia in the glorious tradition of Titjens, Arangi-Lombardi and Sutherland. Devia is a true blessing! Grazie, Mariella: ce ne sono pochissime come Te, e sei davvero UNICA! Blessings.
Maîtrise totale du rôle. Une très grande artiste.
LAPOUGEODE19 1 month ago
So wonderful!!!!!BRAVA!
callasforalltid 2 months ago
è la regina del belcanto.
panpypoo 6 months ago
@Rhisiart85 la Lucrezia Borgia è una delle opere più belle che amo di Donizetti se solo riuscissi a trovare il cofanetto di tutta l'opera *_*
daria6321 10 months ago
Très belle voix et très convanicante. Mais les aigus ne sont pas aussi doux que ceux de Caballè 35 ans plus tôt
liguten 1 year ago
GOD BLESS HER!!!!! I hope that she can sing longer and hypnotize us with her beautiful voice!!!!!!!!
paminaase 1 year ago 2
Around 3:50-she gave a Bartoli-like facial contortion!! But I adore Devia!!!
nichtsleezy 1 year ago 2
I'm back for more...YESSAH!!!!!!!!
GylchrisSprauve 1 year ago 2
Everyone needs to STOP COMPARING and just enjoy the music!! This is very moving and beautiful!!!
chrisscruzzz 1 year ago 2
That high note at the end truly is magnificent. It's dead center, rings like a bell, and just keeps going! Devia has guarded her instrument well!
MGHall07 1 year ago 4
@posa67 Well, I'll keep trying to give Devia a chance, although it hasn't been apparent to me at first what so many other people have been saying. Maybe it's just an issue of finding a recording she has done that I couldn't appreciate earlier.
dougbalt 1 year ago
Ok so it's not the purest voice around but what a great interpretation !
I love Devia . She really has something special.
ingles132 1 year ago
In questo pezzo è meravigliosa, sentito dal vivo è un'emozione unica che però riesce a passare anche in registrazione. Grazie per aver interpretato così egregiamente il ruolo di Lucrezia Borgia peccato solo che in italia non esista interesse a pubblicare un dvd o un cd di quest'opera.
Bravissima!
leoneimperatore89 1 year ago
EXCELLENT! The is no other word to describe her voice and playing than EXCELLENT!
nikodemus7777 1 year ago
which bel canto composer wrote this?
jomoses07 1 year ago
u can say whatever u want about her,,, but she's simply perfect! I wish we could have more singers like her!!!
fabrizietto1980 1 year ago
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the Eb at the end is wonderful, but her agility is forced and unatural. I think Devia is more of a lyric soprano with a good top (she doesn't have the agility of a coloratura and her voice is extremely dark)
raigekimaru 1 year ago
@raigekimaru Please tell us what is forced and not natural, and why Lucrezia should sing with the agility of a "coloratura".
viafilodrammatici 1 year ago
@viafilodrammatici
because lucrezia is written for a dramatic coloratura soprano, and this is bel canto, not Puccini. technique comes first in bel canto, even before acting ability. an emotionless singer who can't act but has perfect technique and a beautiful voice is a better bel canto singer than a good actress with decent techique. devia's technique isn't terrible (on the contrary it's pretty good for the most part) but her coloratura aren't florid and her lower head voice sounds hollow.
raigekimaru 1 year ago
She´s a genious that one!
Klinxor 1 year ago 5
Today it remains being belcanto's queen and only one. Flawless vocal line
fajamaqui 1 year ago
che perfezione,ogni nota centrata in pieno ed in piu' uno squisito senso della coloratura con una splendida puntatura finale. Supera molte delle blasonate colleghe. Mi spiace per la Gruberova che tra l'altro sbaglia anche l'acuto nella produzione di Monaco.
frank54838 1 year ago 4
Una forza della natura!
zarino78 1 year ago 4
sublime Devia!!
doncarlo84 1 year ago 3
BEST LUCREZIA EVER!!!!!!!!
jomoses07 1 year ago 3
Che dici mai, Paperellino?
Secondo me, qua si salvano tutte le note, tutte le pause, tutti i trilli, tutti i gruppetti...
Immensa Mariella, cent'anni ancora devi cantare!
giant469 1 year ago 2
Magnificent.
AdelsonSalvini 1 year ago 2
Mariella Devia La Joya de la Ópera!!!
AlmaMortal2 2 years ago 7
It never ceases to amaze me.
tenore23 2 years ago 3
Certified Intergalactic! Bravissima, Devia! Never get tired listening to this aria.
Dogaradodia 2 years ago 4
Secondo me si salva solo il mib alla fine .... il fraseggio non è a tempo, non so perchè ma in questo ruolo non mi piace. Lo sta facendo in questi giorni ad Ancona ed ha gli stessi problemi di questo video, anche se leggermente accentuati ... sembra sempre in affanno .... boh: la Devia mi è sempre piaciuta, ma non qui ....
paperellino 2 years ago
infatti ad ancona fu un trionfo. sarebbe interessante sapere dove pensi sia in affanno, visto che i fiati sono infiniti. e dov'e` che il "fraseggio" non e` a tempo? ma non scherziamo!
sevoflurane 2 years ago
Ma perche` perde il suo tempo? E` chiaro che paperellino non pensa!
viafilodrammatici 2 years ago 2
Fantastica!
lamsalgado 2 years ago 3
Memorabile interpretazione di Mariella Devia, dell'attrice come della cantante.
Thanks, Coloraturafan, for sharing with us this unforgettable Lucrezia and for your wonderful channel.
RonaldNuotatore 2 years ago 3
penso l'acuto più bello che io abbia mai udito, una cosa da impazzire!!Mariella sei un mito. Fed
youfeda 2 years ago 11
brava devia al fin cantado afinado y no todo lleno de desafinos y con la voz temblequ como la horrorosa gruberova que lo hace a SU manera llenanod de portamentos y desafinaciones
gencerito 2 years ago 5
I think that this has got to be the finest soprano I've ever heard, thanks to coloraturafan I've gotten a chance to really appreciate this wonderful artist. I have to honestly say that she surpasses Gruberova in every possible way.
4488mahler 2 years ago 9
i LOVE her
skitzo429 2 years ago 50
@skitzo429 Me too.
adballet 1 year ago 62
@skitzo429 Something she could work on is singing her runs legato, so that they sound smooth as opposed to pointed. There's also an unevenness in her tone when she makes transitions from the bottom of her range to the middle.
dougbalt 1 year ago
Mariella Devia could work on her legato...??? You must be kidding.... :-D
miphki67 9 months ago 2
@miphki67 I'm not saying that other parts are not beautiful on this clip. She floats some nice piannissimi and has a clear high note at the end. Specifically, what I'm referring to is her legato runs, and especially those in the lower register. 1:35 - 1:39 is the part where she has the most trouble in this clip, in my humble opinion. It sounds disjointed and pointed...definitely not smooth and legato.
dougbalt 9 months ago
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I must day that Devia is better than Gruberova in the ornamentations of this aria. She sounds more smoth in doing this, where Gruberova always sounds a little bid strained because of the low tessitura. By the ohther side, I have to say, that the high note at the end is much better sung by Gruberova than by Devia, who's e-flat sounds thin, while Gruberovas note is much bigger. I love both!
Almaviva123 2 years ago
I am sure you are kidding!
Gruberova's high note is better?
It is thin, wobbly and sometimes the vibrato disappears... And it is almost whistled and not to mention the scooping...
Devia's high note is rock solid, with firm vibrato and a much more beautiful tone! It was also attacked dead centre without any portamenti!
TheJayBee1988 2 years ago 14
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In the middle she sounds a little bid - forgive me: like a old hen. The trills are not correct and the e-flat sounds thin and "stilted". Also no acting. The voice is perfect on pitch, but sooo little (heard her live in Dortmund). Devia much better than Gruberova? That must be the reason why Gruberova will sing Lucrezia the next years in Vienna,Dresden,Munich,Budapest,Barcelona and Tokyo and Devia two times in a little town named "Ancona" :-)
TheMariaBorgia 2 years ago
No, No and No, you could not be more wrong in your critique of Devia. But I would imagine that is the point... Right? You want to slam Devia to make yourself feel better about liking Gruberova? Well your comment only proves how little you appreciate real art. So enjoy listening to Gruberova as her voice continues to fall apart. Maybe she'll scoop up to an Eb (ish - scream) in Vienna or Dresden for you.
coloraturafan 2 years ago 5
@coloraturafan I gotta agree with you...the yodel and scream had me pretty troubled, especially after the likes of Leyla Gencer and Joan Sutherland, it's hard to sell a flawed ending to this opera.
GylchrisSprauve 1 year ago
@coloraturafan LOL I have never seen coloratura fan go off like this, but I like it! AT any rate, I do agree with you about Devia's artistry over Gruberova. I am not a Devia fanatic, but I do appreciate her vocal artistry, especially in comparison to Gruberova who fell apart long ago IMO. Brava!
htshoward 1 year ago
@coloraturafan Well, cannot we just enjoy both?
MisterSoprano 1 year ago
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adballet 2 years ago 3
nice try, maria borgia (lol). unfortunately for yourself, you sound ridiculous. i was present at la scala's performance, and your comment could not be far away from the truth. it is a shame for artists like gruberova that her fans involve her in such vulgar comments. you end up discrediting the singer you like.
sevoflurane 2 years ago
So Gruberova is not singing operas in Italy anymore? I am not surprised. I suppose there is hardly any belcanto tradition in the cities you mentioned.
belcantoBR 2 years ago 3
Ignoramus you are!
Forgive me!
TheJayBee1988 2 years ago
@TheMariaBorgia
Je trouve votre commentaire très injustifié. Vous avez le droit de ne pas aimer La Devia, tous les goûts sont dans la nature. Cependant pour l'avoir entendu en live, certes la voix n'est pas très grande (Gruberova non plus d'ailleurs) mais est-ce un défaut? Nombreux sont les chanteurs dont les voix ne sont pas immenses ... Ce n'est pas pour autant qu'ils ne savent pas s'en servir! Et puis chanter à Vienna, Dersden etc ... ne veut pas forcement dire qu'on est un bon chanteur!
escamillo75 1 year ago
@TheMariaBorgia Yes, I also prefer Gruberova's version, and I do agree with the substance of your comments, if not the way they were expressed. (Remember we have a lot of passionate opera fans on here. ) I never quite got Devia. There's just something missing about her performance. Gruberova really makes chills go up my spine when I listen to and watch her performance. And I think she sings better than ever now that she's over 60.
dougbalt 1 year ago
@dougbalt While I cannot say I agree with all of your comment here, I can say that listening to Gruberova's last Borgia gave me chills. What I find really sad is the fact that Gruberova WAS a great singer, and yet she will be remembered by the public from these horrible performances that they keep releasing onto commercial dvd.
coloraturafan 1 year ago 2
@coloraturafan I'm interested to know why you think her more recent performances on DVD are horrible. I don't hear it myself, and most of the scholarship in Germany and Austria (written in German), where her greatest fan base lies, also think just the opposite, that in more recent years her singing has actually improved. But I respect your opinion, obvious from the great taste you have in clips, so maybe you'll make me think differently.
dougbalt 1 year ago
@TheJayBee1988 Come on, now TheJayBee1988!!!! Tell the truth!!!! Say it again!!! I find it strange that folks will even compare Gruberova's "ok, let's walk away from the music stand and find the perfect yodel" High E-flat ending with the fierce vocalism of Devia. There really is no comparison. I guess we have to trust folks to like what they like, eh? Devia gave us all a chance to hear this role sung to perfection, like Sutherland did in the 70's for her fans. The woman is fierce!!!
GylchrisSprauve 1 year ago
@TheJayBee1988 stop booing Gruberova -_-
thomastmwc 1 year ago
@TheJayBee1988 I get why people argue that Devia's high notes are technically better, but I simply enjoy Gruberova's voice, her singing, and her acting more.
gustopheles 1 year ago
Estoy convencido de que hay muchos factores que dan gloria a una cantante como Mariella .Cara aparte de los talentos vocales han resultado útiles para esta interpretación de un refinamiento de la interpretación de un personaje tan profundo y dramático uno que se desvía y evita cualquier expresión de agradecimiento . Bravisisma!!!!!!!
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adballet 2 years ago
Devia is the embodiment of perfection in Bel Canto technique...
This Borgia is almost certainly the best ever...
I consider myself lucky since I will be in Ancona for her Borgia in February!
It is her definitive role!
TheJayBee1988 2 years ago 7
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adballet 2 years ago
Hi tickets for Borgia go on sale December 16, you can go to the Ancona teatro delle Muse website. Right now there are some really cheap flights into Ancona from the US for those dates in Feb. The Borgia is going to be a concert performance, but Borgia is one of her greatest roles. She hasn't sung Borgia in 5 years, so it is a really special treat for everyone. I will be there in Anocna, along with thejaybee1988 :)
coloraturafan 2 years ago
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adballet 2 years ago
I tried to send you a message, but could not. Basically, you are right, it might be tough to get seats for Borgia in Ancona, You will pretty much have to wait until Dec 16 before you will know if seats are open. I really think it will be worth the trouble, and there are a lot of cheap flights into Ancona that time of year. If you have any other questions, send me a message.
coloraturafan 2 years ago
@TheJayBee1988 Jealous.
tenor220 2 years ago
Certified Intergalactic!
Dogaradodia 2 years ago
Sarà anche intonato ma è troppo "strozzato" per i miei gusti...
DiegoMartinazzoli 2 years ago
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il campanello di casa mia emette un suono più gradevole!
DiegoMartinazzoli 2 years ago
ti prego martinazzoli, inviami il nome della ditta che ti ha installato il campanello!
sevoflurane 2 years ago 4
Beh, come si dice... De gustibus non est disputandum!
DiegoMartinazzoli 2 years ago
Forse, ma...deligere oportet quem velis diligere.
sevoflurane 2 years ago
If you like it so much il tuo campanello put it on your ass and let us enjoy Devia...
PakoChile 2 years ago 7
Never said I like it
DiegoMartinazzoli 2 years ago
Veramente straordinaria! Grande Mariella! Confrontatela con la Gruberova di Monaco del 2009 e la differenza c'è tutta!
loveisinthehair 2 years ago 4
Confrontala col mio video della Gruberova di Barcellona del 2008 invece!
DiegoMartinazzoli 2 years ago
You CANNOT compare Gruberova and Devia.... two very differnt singers. I have always been a very big fan of Gruberova, but Borgia is not as big of a success as I had hoped. I know her retirement is forecoming and I think it is time she put her once great voice to rest.
coloraturafan 2 years ago
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I saw Grubverova as Lucrezia last week in Munich. She was absolutely fantastic, superb! High notes, coloratura, big voice, great acting... I can assure that it's not time for her retirement! Let's enjoy her Devereux next March and Anna Bolena in Barcelona, 2011. Then I'll tell you!
Although I like Devia as a great performer, her voice lacks of power, especially in the high notes moreover her acting is really poor. I can't say the same about Gruberova... Don't you think??
DiegoMartinazzoli 2 years ago
I am very glad to hear that Gruberova was in good voice last week!!! I do know for certain she has announced her retirement, and I am happy for her. She has had a long and beautiful career, and I hope she gives lots of masterclasses on voice. When it comes to acting, Gruberova has a wonderful stage presence, but moreover she uses her voice to build character. I think Devia employs a different style, but here their different styles do not bother me, I still love Devia.
coloraturafan 2 years ago
Gruberova doesn't announced her retirement or something else!!! I spoke with her about this after a Lucrezia in Munich. She has contracts until 2014 and is studying new roles at the moment. for example LA STRANIERA, which she will perform in Zürich 2012/2013. Next year she will sing NORMA at the Salzburg Festival.........
robertleicester 2 years ago
Well far be it for me to dispute what the diva said. That is what I had read.
coloraturafan 2 years ago
Please let me know, where you read this. As you can see on her schedule she has plenty of performances all over the world the next year: Salzurg festival (as Norma), Munich, Madrid, Brüssel, Cologne, Hamburg an many more. She also will perform Lucrezia Borgia and Anna Bolena at the Vienna State Opera and will sing 2011 a new production of Anna Bolena at the Liceu She studies Pirata and Straniera. In her recent recital in Gstaad she sang a high f''' in the Hamlet-aria...
robertleicester 2 years ago
Wow... This is simply bollocks!
All what you have said (at least about Devia) is just NOT right!
I have seen her yesterday in La Traviata, and trust me, her higher register is BRILLIANT, and her high notes are huge... even her often-criticised lower register was deep and had more colours to it than ever before...
TheJayBee1988 2 years ago 2
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adballet 2 years ago 3
Could you please advise where I can get the entire performance from? Many thanks.
markris2009 2 years ago
Indeed. I am a great fan of Edita, will be following her until the day she will retire, but agree Borgia is not the top of her work. She is still faboulus as Lucia (seen her may 2009), gonna she her Zerbinetta in december as well as concert of arias, both in Vienna.
MisterSoprano 2 years ago
@DiegoMartinazzoli Quella sottospecie di animale non è paragonabile per nulla alla Devia. =D
dunketto93 1 year ago 4
I'm quite amazed that her voice remains as gorgeous as it does! It's amazing, really. It's hard to believe that she's in her mid-50s in this clip. And even her Maria Stuarda at La Scala a couple of years ago was fantastic. Devia's voice held up better than both Sutherland and Gruberova! (though, of course, both are fantastic)
MGHall07 2 years ago
Certified Intergalactic! Woohoo! The best!
Dogaradodia 2 years ago 2
This is very good singing. Perhaps not ravishingly exciting, but so well sheperded and sings so well that we can forgive some of the less than thrilling moments, perhaps.
Cantormatis 2 years ago
It's exactly because she is extremely cautious in her low register that she is is able to sing like this at her age. Abusing your chest register can certainly sound exciting but it is the surest way to lose your voice. The voice just breaks in two or more parts.
thetuscanman 2 years ago
So very true.
sevoflurane 2 years ago 2
it is indeed incredible how fresh her voice is thinking she's past 60 now. she's fresher and more solid than most debuting sopranos nowadays!
eradesso 2 years ago 2
I'm back for some more....YESSAH!!!!!!
GylchrisSprauve 2 years ago
Her singing and acting habilities are really powerful. I enjoy her artistry.
mkart9 2 years ago 4
Thank you for posting.....
taurusbs 2 years ago
Ho conosciuto personalmente e sentito cantare mille volte la Signora Devia, devo dire che è una delle più grandi cantanti italiane degli ultimi vent'anni.
Una bellissima voce con una bellissima tecnica e mai mai mai una sbavatura o una volgarità.
é sempre un piacere ascoltarla
taurusbs 2 years ago 7
I agree 100%
coloraturafan 2 years ago
Absolutely brilliant; any idea where could I get the entire performance from? Thank-you very much...
markris2009 2 years ago 3
It might be the performance at Arcimboldi, with Alvarez as Gennaro... Bravissima Mariella!
ginlemon29 2 years ago 3
Der Gebrauch der eigenen Sprache ist notwendig, um deutliche Worte zu sprechen- ich bin erstaunt, dass ganz offensichtlich nicht wahrgenommen wird: eine sehr seltene Erfüllung vokaler Potenz ist zu erleben. Wie können Zweifel bestehen, dass Mrs.Devia eine herausragende Erscheinung in der Rezeption des Belcanto sein kann? Der Reichtum der vokalen Bewältigung und Schattierungen sind historisch, die Kontrolle des durchgebildeten Soprans angesichts des Alters der Sängerin ehrfürchtig stimmend!
lassisimo 2 years ago
Sono convinta che siano molti i fattori che rendono gloria ad una cantante di questa levatura.Cara Mariella a parte le doti vocali uniche e preziose hai dimostrato in questa interpretazione una raffinatezza di interpretazione di un personaggio così profondo unico e drammatico che ne svia ed elude ogni termine di confronto.Bravisisma.Coloraturafan grazie!
uncieloimmenso 3 years ago 3
She has a beautiful voice in her middle-high and higher registers, but NO CHEST VOICE...you need Chest voice for Anna Bolena, Lucrezia, etc, she should stick to doing Amina and Lucia (though for Lucia you still need a good middle register).
primohomme 3 years ago
Fleming is still alive, don't "was" her.
primohomme 3 years ago
Sono il 7000 esimo visitatore
ke onore :°)
grande mariella <3
lucrezia borgia è 1 opera bellissima ^^
dunketto93 3 years ago
devia's voice is divine, her acting skills are very weak, I am sorry.
operaeater 3 years ago
WOW! What a performance! Brava, brava, brava!!! Fabulous! And that last note (a high e-flat, I believe) is wonderful! Another wonderful post from coloraturafan!
organist08 3 years ago 4
I wonder why wasting so much time in useless critics... just listen to this amazing woman!
Life is so short... let´s rejoice these perfect moments in music
enfava 3 years ago 5
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Haha, I know, right? Thanks for the defense ;)
OperaLover84 3 years ago
In part I agree with OperaLover84. The coloratura, although perfect doesn't sound as effortless and nimble as others do, it has a laboured quality. Take Beverly Hoch's Proch's Variations if you don't get what I mean, this is how I want my coloratura to sound. I'm sure this is simply a personal preference as I really dislike Devia's vibrato, it's too wide for my liking and hence her voice is ruined for me. No doubt she has a great voice, I just don't like it. However the phrase at 2:22 I do like.
assimilation 3 years ago
I just listened to Devia singing the Bell song and it's like listening to different person to the one here. Her upper registers are fantastic, I'm just not too enamoured with the stuff lower down.
assimilation 3 years ago
Proch's variations? You want to be kidding... do you really think a singer should apply the same style to Proch's variations and Lucrezia Borgia? The dramatic content is slightly different, isn't it? If there is any drama in the Proch's variations lol. In fact Serafin refused to record them with Callas, so silly the music is. She is of course different in the Bell Song, because the style is different. Don't you think?
belcantoBR 3 years ago 5
This has nothing to do with the way the piece is supposed to be sung, quite the opposite in fact. I am rather funny when it comes to opera in that I generally couldn't care less for the "correct" way to sing such a piece(within reason of course). I dislike the heavier coloratura of Devia and that's all there is too it. Correct it might be, but to my ears it's not as pleasing.
People bash Fleming for getting something stylistically wrong, yet it sounds wonderful and I enjoy it.
assimilation 3 years ago
I completely agree. You are rather funny.
P.S. There is to it, not "too" it. But maybe the correct spelling does not interest you either...
belcantoBR 3 years ago 3
Okay, let's make this clear, and I am growing tired of this pointless discussion, I was not attacking anyone. I was pointing out that Operalover84's comment was wrong, dead wrong. It isn't subject to personal taste or opinion, he said Devia's coloratura was labored, and that is wrong. If you plan on posting comments at least get your facts correct. I said it was laughable, because in the context of his remark it was. Now, what I find more laughable is your wasting my time with this.
coloraturafan 3 years ago
No your comment was rude (not some friendly warning), acting as if my statement was an attack on someone. Btw, I am glad to see you don't have time for most of my postings, I would hate to think they were wasted on someone like you.
coloraturafan 3 years ago
Okay first off I don't attack anyone, but if I disagree with someones comments I am going to express that. If someone says something stupid I will call them out on it. If you, or anyone else, don't like that I have a simple solution: don't bother your time with my video postings.
coloraturafan 3 years ago
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I think she is wonderful too -- but I dont get it -- with such an amazing voice, why do her coloratura runs sound so labored?! It's really difficult to listen to. C'mon Devia! This needs to be much faster too.
OperaLover84 3 years ago
Coloratura runs labored??? Really, I would like to see if you could point out where there is any labored singing! This performance is without question one of the greatest in the history of this opera. To say that the coloratura is labored is laughable, and shows a lack of knowledge on the subject. We are all entitled to our own opinion but when you say something that isn't true, and isn't based at all in fact, then it has to be pointed out.
coloraturafan 3 years ago
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Look, I agree that this is a wonderful performance...and don't get me wrong, I LOVE Devia! But her coloratura IS, in fact, a little slow and, yes, labored. It does not flow as freely as say, Sutherland or Gruberova, who have TRUE coloratura abilities. Devia's runs are too aspirated and not entirely "on the breath" as we in the music field, who do not have a "lack of knowledge on the subject" like to say. If you can't see this, then I suggest you change that little screen name of yours...
OperaLover84 3 years ago
Listen, I grow tired of your pointless, useless remarks. You may think you know something about music, and I am sure your head is filled with pride on the subject. Good for you, but you are in fact incorrect, the coloratura is NOT labored. I guess listening to all that Fleming has warped your judgment in this area. Whatever the case, do us all a favor and leave me and my videos alone. My time is better spent posting videos for everyones enjoyment, not wasting my time with you.
coloraturafan 3 years ago
My dear, we are all operalovers here and if you are a singer (we in the music field) we are the public, and the public knows we have here a great rendition of the aria. Did you read anything about public's role in the arts? I wish you can arrive these heights in your interpretations in "the music fields", and satisfy your public as Mariella Devia does in this performance!
Macbett0 3 years ago 2
Don't be ridiculous.
sevoflurane 3 years ago
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I'm not -- it's true.
OperaLover84 3 years ago
Ok, let's have a discussion. I was present at this performance. The coloratura, first of all, is not aspirated or laboured in the slightest. On the contrary every note is distinguishable, as it should be in coloratura di forza. Secondly, the pitch is perfect at any height hence the notes are never prepared from below. Thirdly, the breath spans are incredible, that is why she can afford to sing these floris passages at this tempo (think about it).
sevoflurane 3 years ago 14
Unfortunately other less skilled singers have to speed up the tempo and slide through the notes because they are simply unable to cope with the long lines. When Toscanini asked Toti Dal Monte to sing Caro Nome with a more sostenuto tempo, she had to say: "Maestro, I would not get to the end of the aria". Lucrezia Borgia is not a clockwork nightingale. The singing must be dramatic, electric and in the theatre it sounded fabulous. Take some time to listen to more music and reflect.
sevoflurane 3 years ago 14
Let us know what makes you think the coloratura is laboured and where you think the singing is not "on the breath". We might be able to help you.
sevoflurane 3 years ago 15
If this is laboured, he should listen to me :)
Jabe88 3 years ago 2
OMG, she's fantastic! I know this performance - have it at home, but been thrilled every time I hear her.
MisterSoprano 3 years ago
My goodness only a moron wouldn't put 5*
Jabe88 3 years ago 2
brava brava brava ^___^
1 ottima esibizione degna di un rispettabile soprano da coloratura :D
By LiricSinger ;)
dunketto93 3 years ago
If there was ever a soul singer, Mariella Devia is one. One should try to compare this phenomenal singer to Joan Sutherland. It would be like trying to compare a pinot grigio to a cabernet sauvignon. They are superb artists, but very different.
MarJupVen 3 years ago 3
hehe ,It's just my opinion of course. I like Devia , certainly my favourite since Joan.
timsuffolk 3 years ago
I love that version of this aria. Devia is so perfect, that it is boring sometimes (kidding). Thanks so much for posting that vid.
Kaan1977 3 years ago 3
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Good, but Sutherland is in a class of her own vocally of course
timsuffolk 3 years ago
Tolle Oper, phantastische Stimme, hervorragendes Orchester - so hat Donizetti zu klingen. Vielen Dank für das Video!
nikodemus7777 3 years ago 2
i cannot get enough of this fucking video...devia IS borgia!
and i'm a huge sutherland/caballe fan, but damn!...this bitch is the shit!
thisizjoey 3 years ago 3
This is the best performance of this aria on the entire web. The final cadenza is such a bold decision to perform in the Scala and she does it amazing. I dont think that Devia's voice would find a part in which it would sound better. Lucrezia is Mariella and she does it in an absolutely breathtaking way. I would like to call attention also to her masmerizing artistic skills. She opts for very sparing gestures and almost no mimics, which makes it all more suggestive.
boris1281 3 years ago 6
non sapevo mariella devia fosse un'icona gay. una drag queen..
siete patetici, volgari, offensivi ed immensamente idioti. e non capite un amato cazzo di opera lirica, lasciatevelo dire.
cmq se siete italiani, parlate e scrivete in italiano. se non lo siete, TACETE! siete volgari come pubblico e incompetetenti!
Mariella the best!
francesco11arc 3 years ago 2
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-her low register is a joke (con esso a morto). Sutherland's was actually better lol
-The scale at 2 22 is truly Divine
- is there a good decent reason why tempo is so slow? :))) This is a bravura aria with variations :)))
-fabulous ending E flat!
-dreadful acting ;)
Lohengrin 3 years ago
Lohengrin,
Again you paint a vivid picture of your ignorance when it comes to this singer. I would suspect that you are too biased to actually listen and enjoy this, to bad for you. This Borgia was so well received, and a wonderful night in Milan.
I have to admit you got one thing right, for once, it was a fabulous Eb.
coloraturafan 3 years ago
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If i followeed Milan audience's acceptances -as u all do blindly- I would have adored dreadful singers!
But Devia is general is a very very good singer, but not the goddess u present her to be. It's just that as always with singers who do not attract attention, her vocal flaws are not well described so u all "ignorants-without-personal-opinion" think that just because no one bothers to describe her flaws, there arent any :))
Lohengrin 3 years ago
We meet again loopy Lohengrin. This time you will not have a chance to delete my messages. Or the ones that show your incompetence, the ones you do not like to appear under the videos you upload. Keep deleting messages, keep deleting reality, and keep dropping shit on beautiful things like a pigeon. It will take you far in life.
belcantoBR 3 years ago 2
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i do not delete every message Only the ones that show enormous amount of stupidity and lack of basic knowledge like yours
I understand your hatred, but it actually flatters me to be hated by retarded people
Lohengrin 3 years ago
Yes, Lohengrin has deleted my comments on his videos also. I would return the favor here and remove his comments, but they show him to be exactly what he is. I will let you fill in the blanks... I know he doesn't care for me or my comments; but if he thinks himself better than I am then he should let my words speak for themself instead of removing them. In any event, how can anyone be insulted by a "man" who loves La Fleming in belcanto roles????
coloraturafan 3 years ago
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1. i wouldnt speak to you if i didnt respect your opinion I dont respond to everyone I usually ignore the freaks who write here
2. if u think im writing stupidities u have every right to delete and block me that is why youtube gives that option
3. yes i love Fleming in bel canto You like Devia in Bolena! Devia in Bolena is 100 times more lol than any stylistic mistake Fleming ever made in bel canto
4. Canary bird lovers like u are the most feminine kind of gays around
Lohengrin 3 years ago
I have to respond to your witty retort. Lohengrin, yes, I have every right to delete your ignorant comments. I do LOVE Devia, and yes, I think she has more talent in her little finger than La Fleming does in her entire voice. That fact that you would say I am "the most feminine kind of gay" is laughable! You are a sick joke of a man. You don't know me. Pass judgement all you like on singers, I could care less. But don't make personal comments about someone you will NEVER know.
coloraturafan 3 years ago
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- devia in her entire career never captured the magic that Fleming has in one of her notes:))
-Singers with one good register in their voices like Devia are and will always remain seconds This particular sample of singing u have here is the ultimate proof of how hard Devia tries to sustain nothing more than an almost not-decent vocal line in her middle voice. I would rather hear Tebaldi singing Lucrezia that this abomination that no decent opera lover ever even bothered to bash;)
Lohengrin 3 years ago
Yeah, I think I got your message: Devia = second rate, Fleming = goddess. If you say so, we can let history be the judge. The fact is that you continue to insult me on a personal level with your comment, "Canary bird lovers like u are the most feminine kind of gays around." Since we are taking cracks at each other, this is how I picture Lohengrin: a sad old fat queen, with 100 cats laying around him, as he cruises youtube and gay chat sites... in the hope that some poor slob will... ya know SAD!
coloraturafan 3 years ago
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-im 34 and actually rather thin ahahhahahahah
-ofc fleming is a Goddess You may hate her because she is tremendously talented plus a gorgeously looking woman (not this freak of ugliness devia is)...
-If i looked like Devia I wouldnt let anyone film me! not invite cameras in every tiny little rehearsal i ever made looooool Has ever been a singer with more efforts to achieve publicity than Devia? every performance of hers is actually filmed? PLSSSSSSSSS COME AND FILM ME!
Lohengrin 3 years ago
Lohengrin-I am surprised at your tasteless comments! I have sometimes agreed with you but not when it comes to Devia. If you could try to release yourself of the "star syndrome" from which you suffer, you would realize that you are wrong! First of all Fleming and Devia should not be mentioned in the same sentence. Devia, as a technician and in terms of range is superior to Fleming. But Fleming is a star because of marketing, not because she is a great talent.
nichtsleezy 3 years ago 6
Lohengrin throwing his flowers at you! Ah, isn't that what every youtuber dreams of? I've had my share too...
This guy ought to be completely ignored. He is a very bitter and probably lonely guy.
Btw, I LOVED your video comparison of "La" Fleming and Devia
Jabe88 3 years ago 3
You remind me of that man who was driving in the opposite direction and thought that every other driver was wrong and called them stupid. I really hope that in life you are not involved in any activity that can harm people, through your lack of discernement. It would be sad.
belcantoBR 3 years ago 5
This comment has received too many negative votes show
you actually call "many" those who hate Fleming? is that why every single performance of hers is sold out in secs? and in the audience you always find the most distinguished and intelligent people?
Try for once in your life to stop parrotizing idiotic music reviewers who represent the very mental degeneration of the gay culture that hates everything genuinly beautiful and divinises excrutiatingly ugly, drag-queen figures like this of Mariella Devia.
Lohengrin 3 years ago
Sorry I do not gauge art according to the time it takes to sell. I leave that assessment to supermarket's stuff. Van Gogh never sold a painting in his life, loopy Lo.
belcantoBR 3 years ago
doesnt one painting of his today cost around 1 billion dolars if! u are lucky enough to find it and buy it?
Lohengrin 3 years ago
Absolutely incredible! Magnificent singing! I didn't know that the Bel Canto remained today.
Cramnella 3 years ago
the ending would have been best if she fell down! lol..aside from that... it was excellent!
raymzi 4 years ago
This is a TRUE LESSON: style, phrasing, power, adequation between the music and the characterization of the role. It's vocally sublime, I believe a great Lucrezia Borgia in the glorious tradition of Titjens, Arangi-Lombardi and Sutherland. Devia is a true blessing! Grazie, Mariella: ce ne sono pochissime come Te, e sei davvero UNICA! Blessings.
GoldenAgeSunshine 4 years ago 2
wow
impeccable
she is the only soprano that really can sing this type of coloratura roles nowdays
actor001 4 years ago 2
sing it babe!
thisizjoey 4 years ago