The End of Group B 2/2

[BentleyWilkinson]

08:00 That's also how I use the brake cleaner!

[panzr]

Great video. I love the Delta S4!

[TheBulletproofer]

what's that black Hubcap he is putting on the wheel at 8:25

[Marvdogger]

@TheBulletproofer Sucks cool air into the brakes.

[Spartaco987]

thanks

[waktwo]

group B = group of "Badass"

[Otakahunt]

@waktwo Group B is now known as: Group Banned. :/

[neness4]

groupe B = sound of devil

[mauson1963]

Would be nicer without the music and more of the engine sound.

[Marvdogger]

@mauson1963 Your right it would, but 90% of that footage has no engine sound only talking over the top so i had little choice..

[howden123456]

this info cam from granprix mag at the time

[howden123456]

does anybody know that a crew were also killed in a firery death on in think the same or the next stage in a citreon group n lna? no i did,nt think so....

[jahikas]

Yes it was a epic era, sad that it had to end that way..

Song from 7:15 is?

[raison722]

Im am afraid this is exact point in time where a simple crash that happens all the time, stopped the devlopment of so much and we went backwards from then on.

[TheBlackanonym]

R.I.P toivonen, why do every best rally drivers die

[kornholekarry]

the 2 people that disliked need to stick to watching garbage like nascar.

[1864oktobar]

Delta S4 killer car in real meaning...

Lancia <3

[metonAlternate]

@1864oktobar Indeed, but it was merely a testbed for the Lancia ECV. Which Toivonen tested in Imola just before his crash. Posting a time that would've qualified him 3rd on the F1 race that happened on the same weekend.

[markandrach]

@metonAlternate you have got your myth totally mixed up.

it is a myth that an s4 was 6 th on 86 estoril f1 grid

seasrch f1 86 qualifying and see what speed a 1400hp f1 goes at,then tell me you think an s4 is as quick

please dont disrespect s4's by believing the estoril myth

[racerboom]

song at 9:30 ?

[zuuarle]

RIP Henri Toivonen

[milm80]

Interviewer asked Mouton "all the male drivers think....'.... what a douchebag

[aukanmeister]

@milm80 Yes, it was a different time! Michelle was a hero in many ways:)

[carfreak272]

group B makes current rally (or what's left of it) seem like childs play.

[MrSpiritofecstasy]

End of the real drivers, the end of the real cars....

[adakar83]

@MrSpiritofecstasy

Cars ? That was Formula 1 on special stage.

Mikola in Jerez at the same loop of the track, like Formula 1, made time with Lancia, that would give him 10th (!!) spot on qualifying sesion during F1 Grand Prix !

[impeto90]

see this car was better than a blowjob

[narancs5]

Thank you! It was really interesing and informativ to hear reactions from the people, who lived it.

[dtune29]

Jean Todt @t 1:11 ?

[lawnmowa1]

400+ hp is an understatement. Some of these had over 600hp at times (delta s4, rs200, quattro

[johnmcluskey]

After watching parts 1&2 of your Toivenen project I think you could make it good enough to go on DVD.

[johnmcluskey]

Marvdogger, I love everyone of your videos and I don't know how you do it? But they are fantastic and even though I was a kid during the Group B era I love it and I feel you have captured a lot of it for me. I know you have been busy recently, but I can't wait till you finish your film on Toivenen. I also respect Bruno Saby after the Tour de Corse for not taking the champagne at the end when they tried to hand it to him. please, keep up the good work!!

[klonkku10]

what does those "discs" do on the wheels at 08:34. Are those somekind a protect for the wheels ?

[88Hellrazr]

@klonkku10 Its to cool the Disk and Calibers

[andgate2000]

Bring back group B. Get rid of the crazy spectators and newer cars with electronics aids and you might just make it safe.....ish.

[schanche1965]

Thanks for posting this Ceasar Fiorio just went up in my, had previously always considered him a bit of a twat but it was very interesting to hear his thoughts in the aftermath of Henri / Sergio`s tragic crash. As we found out later the fuel cell had been leaking badly in their car and probably contributed to him going off track through breathing the fumes from the exotic fuel mix at the time, also this leak also contributed to the car catching fire so easily.

[godtux]

@schanche1965

I have never heard this fuel theory. Where do you get this from ?

[schanche1965]

@godtux try typing Toivenen fuel fumes into google and see what comes up, I clearly remembering at the actual time of the accident something about their car smelling very strongly of fuel before that fatal stage, I believe it came from the start marshalls own recollections at the time.

[FTMJarra]

Excellent uploads again Marv...thanks a lot man.!!

[RoqueHead]

Fiat Uno VS Peugeot 205 T16, who wins? xD

[yisuru]

tragedy it had to end this way, i really love the group B cars and i wish to see them back again

[fgtxpaco7458ss]

R.I.P Henri Toivonen & Sergeo Cresto & Attilio Bettega

thanks for everything

[Silvermac27]

Can you tell me Marvdogger, why there such a difference in the stage milage of the two Rallies,after all they were both being run under World Championship Rules....Great work Marvdogger,James

[Marvdogger]

@Silvermac27 Well rallys changed little in the 60s,70s and 80s. As it was mainley up to the organisers of the rally and FISA more orless agreed with them. The Tour de Corse has always been a long rally and the 1000 lakes has always been a fast short rally.

The problems of course comes, when your rally 400bhp+ cars on stages orignally desisgned for cars with 160-200bhp. The strain on the drivers goes up 10 fold which the organisers did'nt seem to relise till it was too late.

[divljacina1]

400+bhp....they were close to F1 cars :D:D those days will never be forgotten!!!!

[nipplebrush]

@divljacina1 F1 cars were putting out 1000+bhp at the time

[divljacina1]

later they develop 700bhp but still F1 didnt have 4X4 system!!!!on gravel Bgroup cars hit 100 in less then 2.5 sec....RS200 had a record with 2.2sec 100kmh....

[metonAlternate]

@Marvdogger That was the whole point of Group B. To push both man and machine to their limit, and then over come it. It was a time when engineers and death defying test pilots called the shots, not some limp wristed suits knee deep in their own bullshit and fat bank accounts. And yes, maybe it went a bit too far, but Group-S was supposed to replace it the next season anyway. The rules WRC is run by today. So because of lack of balls, we 10 years stagnation.

[opopopopop31]

awesome cars!

[kostas903]

thank you for this AWESOME and VERY SAD film!!

[DeaShoost]

@kostas903

Exactly what i was going to say!

[12valvepower1]

audi power

[2thermal]

SONG that starts 4:32 ?!!<3

[Marvdogger]

@2thermal Immediate Music - Shield of Faith

[kavanaghm]

fantastic video....

[pablof59]

Great,thanx !

[12valvepower1]

@pablof59 i have a delta in my ps3.it is spooky quick

[NicoBBL]

one word : awesome.

[12valvepower1]

@NicoBBL it keeps freezing up at a certain point

[MegaJCMartin94]

Nice video Marvdogger, Group B were too fast too quick to in a such rally courses, I feel bad for Henri. But finally I realize what was Group B rally, Dangerous but If you luv it, you do what it takes. RIP Henri <3

[Marvdogger]

To give people an idea how tough the 86 Tour de Corse was, the first day of the rally had more stage miles than the total miles of the 86 Thoasand lakes rally!

[Fin4L6are]

very educational