Chris Horner on his book "Power Grab" & Obama's green agenda

[JonThm]

'Climate Change' is fatal fiction

[airborne373]

Like Homer, but don't be fooled by Hannity! Hannity supports neo-conservatism which is NOT conservative but rather a communist Trotskyite movement started by Neo-Marxist Leo Strauss and Irving Kristol. All of you commies who love Hannity can kiss this American paratroopers a@@.

[Springr1911]

@airborne373 What the hell are you talking about Hannity is a Trotsky communist? I take it you're a Ron Paul supporter.

[airborne373]

@Springr1911 Don't deny it! Anyone can use this thing called "google" to know the neo-conservative movement, which Hannity shills for was started by Irving Kristol and Leo Strauss both neo-Marxist and neo-Trotskyites. Bill "bloody" Kristol is the son of Irving and chair of The New (Communist) American Century.

Stop supporting the dirty communist.

[JonThm]

Do fusion from water

[capitalist4life]

Thumbs up for Horner?

or humbs down for Hannity?

I just won't rate this one.

[kainniak1]

LAWL this shit is so stupid radical OMFG RADICAL THE PATRIOT ACT TOOK AWAY THE BILL OF RIGHT FROM PEOPLE FUCK AND I AM SURE anyone who knows anything about presidential history could tell you there have been several presidents that have done far worse things if i could i would kill everyone on the fox network

[kainniak1]

this feels like i am watching wrestling with out he fake fighting these guys are so scripted its not even funny

don't these ppl read the bible cleanliness is next to godliness

[whoo689]

@whoo689 If you google it, you'll find many credible sources, including a USGS page, that says the EXACT opposite of this "volcanoes emit more CO2" claim. 6 billion people, with almost or half that many industrialized and emitting LOTS of co2, and you want me to believe that one volcano emits MORE than that? Please. Even logically it sounds ridiculous. Where do you guys get that claim?

[osucbj1]

@whoo689 If you listen carefully, Horner says natural processes and volcanoes over the history of time dwarfs mans contributions. Man's actual contribution to total co2 in the atmosphere is somewhere around 4% of total co2.

[whoo689]

Does anyone in the CEI even have a science degree, esp. climatology? CEI makes a big deal about global warming alarmism, but unless at least one of them actually has enough scientific background to do experiments and tests of their own to confirm what guys like Horner say, why should I go to CEI for info?  I could easily go to a bazillion other sources w/ actual scientists.

I mean, Horner's a fucking lawyer by trade, isn't he? What makes him an expert on GW?

[whoo689]

@whoo689 It seems to me guys like Horner just look up a bunch of sources, maybe talk to a few people, and read some books and then write their OWN books w/ these sources, but none of them have any of their own peer-reviewed academic papers or studies ON this subject. How is Horner any more informed than I am on this subject, then? I could easily do what he does if I had all that time in a CEI office to look up a bazillion sources and read and whatnot.

[whoo689]

@whoo689 Horner and others seem to be doing what any layman interested in these subjects are doing but just have more time on their hands than the average man or woman.

[whoo689]

@whoo689 Shouldn't think-tanks hold themselves at least a little bit higher standard?

[whoo689]

@whoo689 I'm currently reading his book "red hot lies", and while it is intriguing, one thing already bugs me: his description of ANYONE who believes in AGW and says it might cause some problems, although maybe not a catastrophe, as an "alarmist." Is every person out of the 80% or so scientists who agree w/ AGW an "alarmist" by default, chris? You don't have to believe in alarmism to say "maybe we should do something about warming" if it will cause problems down the road.

[whoo689]

@whoo689 Plus, I just came upon a New Scientist article that claims to debunk quite a few skeptic "Myths" that challenge AGW, such as the cosmic rays story or the sunspots claims. New Scientist is a respected scientific publication, so I'm apt to take their words w/ a little more than a grain of salt. Horner's a liar at a think-tank. Who do you think, at least on the surface, seems more credible? And the new scientist article had almost 100 skeptics' claims, too. care to debunk?

[whoo689]

@whoo689 I'll give you the link to the article, too, and see if you can somehow debunk it.

Not to mention I've looked into many of those 'petitions' about AGW from skeptics, and at least one or two, including the Oregon Petition, are pretty fradulent and bogus when one really examines them. The Great Global Warming Swindle had a lot of errors of its own. Polls have shown that at least 80-90% of top scientists agree w/ AGW. I know science isn't supposed to be about consensus, but come on!

[whoo689]

@whoo689 If the vast majority of scientists examining an issue all agree and have arrived at these conclusions on their own, how can a skeptic possibly say "they're all wrong. I'm right"? This isn't like the 1500s when Copernicus and Galileo were persecuted by religious zealots who only believed in a geocentric universe b/c of the Bible. These are scientists who do studies and experiments all the time.

An ISI web of science search found that over 90% of articles agreed w/ AGW.

[whoo689]

@whoo689 I'm still very open-minded, but it seems like the deniers and skeptics don't have much left to fall back on. I don't like to attribute bad motives to good people, but it seems to me like at least some skeptics might be skeptical so they have even LESS reason to back certain anti-AGW initiatives, engaging in academic dishonesty for the sake of policy.

[whoo689]

@whoo689 Lastly, I'm very appalled at CEI's ridiculous reaction to the non-scandal of "climategate."  Anyone who actually LOOKS INTO the emails will find little evidence of any kind of conspiracy to defraud the public. "Hide the decline" and "trick" in climatologist speak don't necessarily mean what they mean to us. I mean, many scientists themselves outside of CRU have said so! And that whole "we can't account for warming" just means it's difficult to study, not necessarily no warming.

[whoo689]

@whoo689 and why would u debut your book on such a ridiculous bottom-of-the-barrel show like "Hannity"? Why not at least Cavuto or fox business?

[whoo689]

@whoo689 I googled and went through 5/6 pages worth of results on this claim, and I can't find anything to back up this "volcanoes emit more co2" crap. The only person referenced as 'credible' is Ian Plimer, as far as I can tell, but it seems he's been proven wrong many times before. Chris and CEI need to stick to things they know about the free market, rather than bogus warming claims.

[Causa10bserver]

It's great watching Chris Horner. He articulates very well how the extremists who've hijacked the democratic party's agenda will hurt everyone but the very rich and their favored friends.

[sdfkjllshadflhadfshl]

The fed announced today that they would like to start limiting the amount of salt in food. That sounds a lot like the warnings we got b4 the health care bill passed but Im sure it was just a coincidence. Nothing the government ever does has unintended consequences. lol Limit salt today sugar tomorrow, corn syrup by Friday! Keep the Government out of my body (unless they know better than me!)