I preferred Sarah's Hughes's program artistically to Irina's. I thought Sarah's choreography was better and would have placed Sarah second in the free program behind Michelle. I'm not saying that's what it should have been, just what my preference is.
7Judges Kwan-2 (I wonder where those judges are from)??? Slutskaya. Plus, I mean, come on. If you watch Irina and Kwan's programs (here, but also really at every competition frankly), it is immediately obvious who is the master artist. Kwan, from the second the music starts, grabs everyone's attention (but yours), whereas with Irina, it's like you're just waiting to see if she sticks the next jump.
Yuck. How on earth could ANYONE think that Irina deserved to win over Michelle Kwan's SOTBS masterpiece? Irina's program was so sloppy. Her two triple-triple combos were also cheated. Her first triple lutz was shaky as well. Kwan's 7 triples were perfect and her program was very beautiful. My scores: Irina 5.7, 5.6 Michelle 5.9, 6.0.
@Karosanyo Are you serious? Irina may not have been clean but she deserves more credit than you give her. Though not as clean, she attempted the most difficult program in the book and I think she deserved the high marks she got for it. But in the end, I agree with you and think Kwan deserved to be placed over Irina on a cleaner performance. However, I for one thought Sarah was the best in the free. Guess everyone has their OWN picks.
@allenglandlawns I am VERY serious... Irina's program here was so sloppy and EMPTY. Not everything is about jumps in figure skating. Even Irina's jumps here were sloppy (her first lutz and 3/3s). Michelle Kwan's performance beat Irina's technically and artistically. Sarah was NOWHERE near the level of Kwan that night. Sarah's looked sloppy and medicore compared to MIchelle Kwan's SOTBS masterpiece. Yes, everyone has their "own" opinions, but some people are unable to be objective and honest...
This title had Kwan written all over it before it even started. Irina's history making jumps tend to get lost under all the Kwan triple-triple drama. OOOOhh Kwan landed a triple-triple...STOP THE PRESSES...sheesh anyone else does a way more difficult triple triple and it gets lost bc hey...only the Kween deserves the attention.
@allenglandlawns This was the first time that the judges wanted to give the title to Irina. But she made a few small errors. The errors Irina made really cost her the title. Had she skated a clean performance, with no small gliches, she may have won this championship. As I said in the Michelle video, look back at the performances. ;)
@TeamKween2010 Thank you for suggesting that...=) I did look back and but I still think Irina did not receive the credit she deserved for actually going after and landing 2 EXTREMELY difficult combinations. That aside, I also went back and looked at Sarah's performance and boy was she so undermarked. She skated clean (like Kwan) and landed one of the more difficult 3-3 (like Irina).
@allenglandlawns I rewatched the performances myself. And I base this off the placements in the short program and the long programs. Going into the long program it was 1) Slutskaya 2) Kwan 3) Nikodinov 4) Hughes. To have Sarah win the gold medal, she would have to win the long program and have Slutskaya place no higher than 3rd. I would have placed Sarah higher than Irina in the long program. Since the top 3 did "control their destiny", the title here rightfully belonged to Michelle. :)
@allenglandlawns When Lipinski "won" the olympic gold, Kwan congratulated her on her success. When Kwan -- not Lipinski -- was elected by the US Olympic team and coaches as the team spokesperson -- which objectively shows their view of each -- Lipinski did not congratulate her on her success. She revealed her base character, her jealousy, as fury at not being viewed as entitled to be the center of attention in all things. She showed the opposite of the Olympic ideal: poor sportsmanship.
Great champions know how to accept defeat gracefully. Irina rarely did this. Here she is, storming out of K&C because things didn't go her way. Other times she'd sulk and take a medal from around her neck during the ceremony because it wasn't gold. Things don't always work out the way we plan. Sometimes the best thing to do is hold back the tears, smile, and stand quietly while the winner enjoys the few moments of accolades they've earned, knowing that it might be you up there next time.
@LWOPP Yeah also look at Kwan stand up on olympic podiums look pouty with a forced grin while covering up her medal with her hands (which was of course gifted to her in SLC). I think Irina was robbed by Kwan favoritism here. Irina had harder jumps, spins, speed, athleticism, and steps. She tripped up a little bit but went for it in a program Michelle wouldn't even dare to attempt.
@allenglandlawns LOL! You stated a few months ago that Michelle deserved to win the LP! You called Michelle's performance great. Irina's jumps were off (her first lutz was shaky, her triple-triple-double was cheated, and her second triple-triple was two-footed). Stating that Irina was robbed here is nonsense and you know it. You're not being honest here. Michelle performance at this Worlds was a masterpiece. She earned her win! And Michelle was a class act on those Olympic podiums!
@Karosanyo Thanks for pointing that out :) Michelle did skate well here and probably deserved it, but I still think Irina should have been given more credit for her performance. At her best, Slutskaya blows Kwan's best out of the water by a mile.
@allenglandlawns More credit? She was given 5.9's for this sloppy performance... I feel that she was overmarked and Michelle was undermarked. Slutskaya's best is mediocre to Kwan's best. Irina NEVER gave a better performance than Michelle's '96, 2000-2001 Worlds, '98 Nationals, '98 World Pro technical program, 2003 National and Worlds LP's, etc. I think the only good performance from Irina was the 2005 Worlds, but those Kwan LP's above were superior...
@Karosanyo Given 5.9s for a sloppy performance? She was blew Kwan out of the water but Kwan was overscored. If you want to look at gifted 5.9s, take a look at Kwan's crapfests on simple programs that were also handed 6s CONSISTENTLY. You know what? Now that I think about it more, Irina did deserve this championship and was definitely robbed of the gold by Kwan favoritism imo.
@allenglandlawns Yes, Irina was very sloppy and she had ZERO choreography. Her posture and her telegraphing into her jumps was ugly. Her first triple lutz was off, her triple-triple-double was cheated, and her second triple-triple was two-footed. She was a sloppy mess! I agree with Peggy about her performance. Crapfests? You told me that you always liked Kwan's programs. I don't think that you're being honest. Michelle was never gifted 6s at world level...
@allenglandlawns You think that Michelle had "terrible" performances at the 1996, 2000-2001, 2003 Worlds??? Michelle's awesome performance at the 2000 Worlds is better than ALL of Irina's performances put together, IMO. Michelle almost always had difficult programs.
@Karosanyo Difficult? Please. All she does is wiggles are body and limbs around without exerting much effort. Irina was a real athlete with real athletic skills and good artistry. Kwan could slide on her butt for 4 minutes and still have her rabid fans and judges give her 6s. Irina and pretty much every real athlete have to push themselves with the hardest moves to earn any attention. Kwan is babied, pampered, and a joke to skating as a sport. She belongs in ice shows, NOT competition.
@allenglandlawns Yes, Michelle's choreography was innovative and difficult in most of her programs. Not exerting much effort? Michelle had great ice coverage and speed (watch her '96 Worlds, '98 Nationals, 98 World Pro, 2000-2001 Worlds, 2003 Nationals and Worlds again). Irina hardly ever had much choreography in her programs. I'm far from biased when it comes to any of my favorite skaters.
@allenglandlawns Actually, Michelle had more 7 triple performances than Irina had at the majors (1995-1996 Worlds, 2000-2001 with the triple-triple, '98 Olympics, etc.). Irina never had a clean skate in an Olympic LP as well (Michelle was far from her best at the '98 Oylmpics but she was clean). Irina's programs were empty and simple. Yuna has even stated how much she loves Michelle's programs. Michelle deserved 6s for her 2000-2001 Worlds LPS...
@allenglandlawns Oksana and Sasha are the ones who should be in ice shows. They NEVER had a clean 7 triple LP at world level skating. Oksana is the one who was babied and pampered. She was gifted her World and Olympic titles. MIchelle NEVER had it easy at Worlds and the Olympics (what they did to her at the 2004 Worlds was awful). I disagree that she was gifted the bronze at the 2002 Olympics. I think that she deserved to win the SP and beat Sasha in the LP (Michelle's jumps were better).
@allenglandlawns I think that Michelle should have gotten 6s for her 2000-2001 Worlds LP's. There's NO WAY that Irina's flawed and sloppy performance should have won over Michelle perfect and beautiful performance at the 2001 Worlds.
@allenglandlawns: I love it, I was reading the comments and you initially say that Irina was robbed b/c of Kwan "favoritism" and then later you admitted that Kwan deserved the gold here??? Ummm, okay. As i've said many times, have you sought therapy yet?
@Karosanyo Kwan is a big phony. She preaches sportsmanship to mask her shock and anger. She was babied and pampered almost everywhere. If she had any dignity after embarrassing the US twice at the Olympics, she would have packed her bags after being gifted that bronze in SLC. Sarah, Sasha, and Irina (in that order) should have been on that podium. Kwan is just a placeholder on top of the podium and is hardly a champion.
@allenglandlawns I disagree with your opinions about Kwan. Michelle deserved her bronze medal (I feel that she deserved to win the SP and beat Sasha in the LP). Michelle is a great skater and champion. Irina still stated that she should have won in SLC and they only wanted an American to win...
@Karosanyo I think you might be mistaking the Russian federation or Plushenko with those comments, but Irina is a champion who has been beat down so much in her career and fought her way back to the top like a true champion. She never enjoyed the praise and gushing Kwan had but displayed raw athleticism and strength. She earned her medals (like any true athlete) and was never given breaks the way Kwan was consistently and ridiculously given.
@allenglandlawns No, Irina stated this in many interviews (it looks like she and Plushenko think alike). I think that Irina was propped up all of the time. Michelle never had it easy at world level skating...
@Karosanyo Would you care to show me this? If you're right, I stand corrected :). But Irina still had to earn her wins. She is genuine, real, and has a very bubbly personality. Kwan is downright dull, scripted, fake, and masks her arrogance and ignorance behind that oh-so-gracious pr created image.
@allenglandlawns I don't know how to post links. Just type in Irina Slutskaya thinks that she should have won the gold at the 2002 Olympics. I'm sure you'll find it. Again, I disagree with your opinions about Kwan. Irina even said the Michelle was a genuine and nice person. Yuna loves her as well.
@Karosanyo I typed it in, searched, and found no such words from Irina. I did find this though...
"I didn't say anything about Sarah Hughes. Sarah skated great today, too," Slutskaya said. "I'm just surprised. Yeah, I'm a good skater, it's true. I skated good today. But judges take their choices. That's it."
She admitted she was confused and appeared angry but she was honest and was all smiles at the medal ceremony unlike Kwan with her gifted bronze and forced smile and scripted camera speech.
@allenglandlawns I'll try to find those articals and tell you where to find them. A scripted camera speech? Michelle looked very honest to me (she was very upset because she knew that she LOST the LP). I disagree that Michelle was gifted the bronze. Yes, Irina was angry because she thought that she should have won (like when she lost at the 2000-2001 Worlds). She was a sore loser.
@Karosanyo Well, I looked them up again and the quotes you said Irina spoke do exist, but they came from Russian officials. I googled words like slutkskaya, hughes, salt lake, and protest under 2002 news, but I can't find any record of Slutskaya saying any of that. Let me know if you do! =) Irina actually has a personality, is genuine, and very refreshing to watch skate and hear from.
@allenglandlawns I will still look for them (I know that I read those statements from Irina herself!). Irina also stated that she should have won the SP and the LP. That statement from Irina that you posted sounds phony to me. Did you see Irina run off and throw a temper tantrum after she found out that she lost? She was all smiles at the interview. She did the same thing at the 2001 Worlds! Irina is a sore loser. Michelle looked honest and hurt (she KNEW that she lost the LP).
@allenglandlawns Unlike Irina, Michelle always gave credit and acknowledged the skater who beat her. To say that MIchelle's camera speech was "scripted" is silly. I apologize and take back my accusations about Irina's statements if I can't find the proof (I know for sure that those were her statements that I saw and read). I like Irina, but she didn't handle losing well. I loved that she had her moment at the 2005 Worlds (I actually cried).
@allenglandlawns I know that Michelle wasn't all suger and spice that like some of her fans think, but she's not the monster that you sometimes make her out to be. She's a human being. I hope that you have a great weekend!
@allenglandlawns Michelle was so classy at the '98 Olympics. I liked when she went to hug Tara and Tara told her no! Tara acted like an arrogant and spoiled brat (Michelle even told her that she liked her at the press conference. Covering up her medal? Michelle was in a lot of pain over this loss (I think that she felt like she let her father down, but I don't want to elaborate on this). You and I get along well, but this constant nit picking at Michelle is very sad. Michelle is a human being.
@Karosanyo I love that we get along too! :) Kwan said she skated her absolute best in Nagano and has nothing to be ashamed bc she earned the silver. Tara was just way better. Kwan classy? Hardly. The sportsmanship she preached was her attempt to mask her anger that she got RUN OVER. Tara arrogant? It looked like she told Kwan as though they weren't supposed to step up on the podium yet. But oh well, let's trash the winner to console the loser. Kwan seems to need that protection.
@allenglandlawns No, Michelle stated that she was clean but "stale" in the LP. She didn't state that she skated her best. I agree that Tara was better that night (I still prefer Michelle's National skate). I just disagree with your opinions about Kwan. No, Michelle wanted to hug Tara and Tara told her no (I love it when Michelle still went to her after they were on the podium). I think that Tara is arrogant. She did state that she needs to come back now and show these girls how to compete...
@Karosanyo Here's a quote from her at the press conference.
"`I came out of the rink happy,'' Kwan said. ``I skated my best. There was nothing more I could have done. I truly knew that.'' Kwan skated her best. And her best wasn't good enough!
@allenglandlawns But after Michelle saw her performance she stated that she was stale. She was far from her best like she was at Nationals that year. Michelle wins when she's her best...
@Karosanyo What did Tara go into the locker room before the warmup and sabotage Kwan's skates? Kwan skated her best and had the bias of the judges and media in her favor and still LOST. She is a constantly propped up and a babied placeholder to the throne. Tara and Sarah destroyed the Kwan favoritism and proved that championship courage and skill are what matters, not this "skate with my heart" bs. Irina is a gracious champion and took her SLC medal with smiles unlike the phony and pouty Kwan.
@allenglandlawns No, Michelle just didn't skate her best at the 1998 Olympics. Her National and Olympic performances are like night and day. LOL! The bias of the judges? If these judges truly wanted Michelle to win they would have made that happen(think about the 1994 Olympics). Michelle NEVER had favoritism at world level skating....
@MTVMANN: Agreed! Especially Kwan and Maria. Irina sort of had some issues at this worlds and at the Olympics. Kwan and Maria were pretty much flawless in their free programs at this worlds. Such a shame they couldn't pull it together:
Kwadruple, you are correct. Peter Carruthers is a complete idiot. Also, he gives off the strangest vibe when he interviews skaters.. like some sort of strange uncle or something.
KWAN: artistry, choreography, extention, musicality, lyrical quality , overall consistency BUT she is slow, not much height to her jumps, mediocre footwork, mediocre spins
SLUTSKAYA: speed, strength, jumping prowess, fire, sense of abandon, great spins (but travels), height of jumps, difficulty of elements BUT she is sloppy, unrefined, inconsistent, too wild, lack of choreography, lack of artistry, bad extention.
trojanrob24: I think your analysis is pretty much right on: Those two skate so differently that it's hard to compare: I have always felt that Irina would have been MUCH more successful had she found a great choreographer. Can you imagine the magic, with her great jumps, if she was able to work with someone like Lori Nichol or Sandra Bezic. Even Maria Butyrskaya (from Russia) had great choreography.. Ive never understood why Irina lacked this, esp. knowing Kwan's superior artistic talent.
@trojanrob24: Just to add, I also disagree that Kwan is "slow" or has "mediocre footwork." I actually thought her footwork was one of her greatest strengths, esp. as it went so beautifully with the music.
Irina Slutskya = Great champion to the skating world. Michelle Kwan = Great Icon to the Sports World (not just skating). New Judgement System = no artistry = Irina Slutskya.
New Judgment System=honest and fair system=Irina's victory. The first woman performed 3lutz3loop combination=Irina. The only woman doing Bilman spin on both feet=Irina!
@kwadruple Are you kidding? Irina did clean full-rotated 3Lz+3Lo. Not here, but earlier. And she had lust a little movement on a perfect high speed. Anyway, she's lost this championshipю And you are not a specialist, thus write IMHO.
@kwadruple Proof? I can see only clean combination. And also you opinion that Irina did flutz is just funny. She did the best perfect edged lutz at that time. If you dislike Irina, just calm and pass on. Because your words - just words and you're looking for disadvantages in such a way where there are none.
New Judgement System = no artistry? Really? Do you honestly believe that Shizuka Arakawa, Yu-Na Kim, Sasha Cohen, Mao Asada, Carolina Kostner and Yukari Nakano have no artistry? And please watch Irina Slutskaya's 1999 Kerri Lotion program and you'll probably change your mind about her artistry.
We obviously disagree, which is fine. In my humble opinion, there have been very few artistic skaters under the old CoP (Witt, Chen, Baiul, Kwan, Butyrskaya and Cohen).
PS: Kim Yu-Na IS a great artist, much better than Cohen. Michelle Kwan said it herself!
@AnnaPavlovaFan: Yuna is a good artist (certainly the best out there right now), but I wouldn't say she's better than Cohen, in my humble opinion. I thought your list of great artists though was right on!
I agree...Cohen is better that Yu-Na in artistry...however, I used the word "better"...not "superior". Yu-Na has the artistry in her and it will only be seen what Cohen can do. She won't have a 3-3, but if she can do her two 3-2 and skate cleanly then she has a good chance of beating her.
Yu-Na is doing some "James Bond" type number for her SP that could be considered less refined than what Sasha will do...assuming she does what she normally does.
@MTVMANN: Yeah, I agree there too.I think it would be wonderful if Yuna could pull it all together and skate with emotion and connect with an audience the way Kwan, and to some degree, Cohen did/do. To combine Yuna's consistency, jumping ability, with some wonderful artistry, expression and emotion would be electric, and would give a much needed jolt to figure skating. Right now, people watch it and it all looks the same; we've come out of an incredible decade of skating, and I'm waiting.
Kwan was mostly referring to Yu-Na's technical. Cohen has possibly the best artistry of all time. Ask Peggy or Dick Button. Michelle had more heart and passion but as of artistry, I'm a little more amazed with Cohen. Kwan's artistry is still great!
@dinh: Sorry about that.. I did indeed misread your post. I guess I get a bit too passionate about Kwan sometimes; there are so many haters on youtube that rip her without any justification, so I do apologize. :)
@dinh: Did I understand you correctly? Chen, Kwan don't have good artistry? Are you insane or just a moron? Or both? Hehe, seriously though, if you don't think the list below includes artistic skater, you don't know much about figure skating.
No you didn't understand me correctly at all. If you read the whole thread, I'm actually a Kwan supporter. It's the skaters that some mentioned which was what I was referring to. So please do not jump to call people morons. Kwan's artistry is far beyond any of the current skaters.
Ruilca... Im sorry dude, but if you think Kwan didn't deserve to win this competition you have no credibility as a fan of skating.. Listen, I adore Irina and think she's awesome, but Kwan's long program was flawless and an absolute artistic masterpiece.. you strike me as a fan of irina who is unwilling to call it objectively. Especially with statement's like Kwan's footwork "Sucks"
I never understood the choreography of Irina.... She was such a great skater, and she needed a great choreographer.. but she never got one... she was always skating around the ice... Not even close to Kwan.
Si hubiera ejecutado bien la segunda combinacion (3lz+3loo+2toe) indiscutiblemente deberia haber ganado. Pero pienso que ejecutar un programa limpio (como Michelle) debe parecer a ojos de los jueces más importante que el merito tecnico.
Irina tiene grandes saltos y combinaciones, y no se puede comparar con la mediocridad de Michelle en ese sentido.
¿Mediocridad de Michelle? ¿Has perdido el juicio? Kwan completo 7 triples LIMPIOS, si alguien fue mediocre en esa competencia fue Irina, su presentacion es horrorosa, malas posiciones,en espirales,giros y en general, se inclina demasiado,no tiene control de brazos y lo mas importante,nisiquiera completo 2 3+3 limpias, la primera quedo corta de rotación, pero por el antiguo sistema eso no se comento, y la segunda, buena ya vimos el resultado.Solo ejecuto 5 triples en total,hablando de mediocres.
Cuando dije que Michelle es mediocre (COMPARADA CON IRINA EN EL EL ASPECTO TECNICO) me referia en general, y NO especificamente a este programa, en el que RECONOZCO el merito de Kwan para ganal el oro. Y, si lees bien mi comentario, dije claramente que para ganar el oro Irina necesitaria haber logrado su segunda combinación.
Kwan had triple toe cheated in her 3/3 combo and the last lutz cheated as well and she does flutz. Both had 5 clean triples ,at least Slutskaya's lutz was actually lutz.
Yeah since we all saw at the 2005 worlds how well Kwan matches up to Irina under COP, LOL! By the way even if you add the points for Kwan's mistakes at those worlds she is killed by Irina at the 2005 worlds.
It's true, though. Slutskaya always had much more difficult skating, and once the CoP came into play she simply could not get away with the cautious skating she had. She wasn't ambitious, and the CoP rewards risktaking HUGELY. Her inferior spins also hurt her, cause she wasn't able to do as many fast spin combos as Slutskaya et co. She had no difficult triple triple, and her toe/toe combo was inconsistent at beast. They downgrade in the CoP, and Irina got points over Kwan even when she fell.
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Oh, wow, so true! It WAS sloppy, un-musical, boring. In her best days Slutskaya could do nothing but jump, and although she had great height and power, I don't think she was as consistent as, say, Tara Lipinski. She knew nothing about how to present a performance, she knew nothing about beauty. Is she ever wins the gold medal--although I highly doubt she ever will; she'll be 31 in 2010--figure skating will surely have gone to the birds!
hahaha i agree! Irina is a great skater but most of the time she almost gets too much height on jumps that her landings really scare me! you never know how she's gonna maintain her balance on those triples she's landing- really sloppy balance i have to say.
I preferred Sarah's Hughes's program artistically to Irina's. I thought Sarah's choreography was better and would have placed Sarah second in the free program behind Michelle. I'm not saying that's what it should have been, just what my preference is.
ferency98 1 month ago
this performance shouldn't have been gold silver or bronze it was just ugly.com to watch
snofagun1814 2 months ago
A 100% of pure sloppyness
rickram1961 2 months ago
7Judges Kwan-2 (I wonder where those judges are from)??? Slutskaya. Plus, I mean, come on. If you watch Irina and Kwan's programs (here, but also really at every competition frankly), it is immediately obvious who is the master artist. Kwan, from the second the music starts, grabs everyone's attention (but yours), whereas with Irina, it's like you're just waiting to see if she sticks the next jump.
mlc2005 4 months ago
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mlc2005 4 months ago
Yuck. How on earth could ANYONE think that Irina deserved to win over Michelle Kwan's SOTBS masterpiece? Irina's program was so sloppy. Her two triple-triple combos were also cheated. Her first triple lutz was shaky as well. Kwan's 7 triples were perfect and her program was very beautiful. My scores: Irina 5.7, 5.6 Michelle 5.9, 6.0.
Karosanyo 5 months ago 3
@Karosanyo Are you serious? Irina may not have been clean but she deserves more credit than you give her. Though not as clean, she attempted the most difficult program in the book and I think she deserved the high marks she got for it. But in the end, I agree with you and think Kwan deserved to be placed over Irina on a cleaner performance. However, I for one thought Sarah was the best in the free. Guess everyone has their OWN picks.
allenglandlawns 5 months ago
@allenglandlawns I am VERY serious... Irina's program here was so sloppy and EMPTY. Not everything is about jumps in figure skating. Even Irina's jumps here were sloppy (her first lutz and 3/3s). Michelle Kwan's performance beat Irina's technically and artistically. Sarah was NOWHERE near the level of Kwan that night. Sarah's looked sloppy and medicore compared to MIchelle Kwan's SOTBS masterpiece. Yes, everyone has their "own" opinions, but some people are unable to be objective and honest...
Karosanyo 5 months ago
This title had Kwan written all over it before it even started. Irina's history making jumps tend to get lost under all the Kwan triple-triple drama. OOOOhh Kwan landed a triple-triple...STOP THE PRESSES...sheesh anyone else does a way more difficult triple triple and it gets lost bc hey...only the Kween deserves the attention.
allenglandlawns 7 months ago
@allenglandlawns This was the first time that the judges wanted to give the title to Irina. But she made a few small errors. The errors Irina made really cost her the title. Had she skated a clean performance, with no small gliches, she may have won this championship. As I said in the Michelle video, look back at the performances. ;)
TeamKween2010 7 months ago
@TeamKween2010 Thank you for suggesting that...=) I did look back and but I still think Irina did not receive the credit she deserved for actually going after and landing 2 EXTREMELY difficult combinations. That aside, I also went back and looked at Sarah's performance and boy was she so undermarked. She skated clean (like Kwan) and landed one of the more difficult 3-3 (like Irina).
allenglandlawns 7 months ago
@allenglandlawns I rewatched the performances myself. And I base this off the placements in the short program and the long programs. Going into the long program it was 1) Slutskaya 2) Kwan 3) Nikodinov 4) Hughes. To have Sarah win the gold medal, she would have to win the long program and have Slutskaya place no higher than 3rd. I would have placed Sarah higher than Irina in the long program. Since the top 3 did "control their destiny", the title here rightfully belonged to Michelle. :)
TeamKween2010 7 months ago
@allenglandlawns Also the 2 EXTREMELY difficult combinations that Irina did were not executed well.
TeamKween2010 7 months ago
@allenglandlawns When Lipinski "won" the olympic gold, Kwan congratulated her on her success. When Kwan -- not Lipinski -- was elected by the US Olympic team and coaches as the team spokesperson -- which objectively shows their view of each -- Lipinski did not congratulate her on her success. She revealed her base character, her jealousy, as fury at not being viewed as entitled to be the center of attention in all things. She showed the opposite of the Olympic ideal: poor sportsmanship.
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JNagarya 7 months ago 3
Great champions know how to accept defeat gracefully. Irina rarely did this. Here she is, storming out of K&C because things didn't go her way. Other times she'd sulk and take a medal from around her neck during the ceremony because it wasn't gold. Things don't always work out the way we plan. Sometimes the best thing to do is hold back the tears, smile, and stand quietly while the winner enjoys the few moments of accolades they've earned, knowing that it might be you up there next time.
LWOPP 1 year ago 2
@LWOPP Yeah also look at Kwan stand up on olympic podiums look pouty with a forced grin while covering up her medal with her hands (which was of course gifted to her in SLC). I think Irina was robbed by Kwan favoritism here. Irina had harder jumps, spins, speed, athleticism, and steps. She tripped up a little bit but went for it in a program Michelle wouldn't even dare to attempt.
allenglandlawns 10 months ago
@allenglandlawns LOL! You stated a few months ago that Michelle deserved to win the LP! You called Michelle's performance great. Irina's jumps were off (her first lutz was shaky, her triple-triple-double was cheated, and her second triple-triple was two-footed). Stating that Irina was robbed here is nonsense and you know it. You're not being honest here. Michelle performance at this Worlds was a masterpiece. She earned her win! And Michelle was a class act on those Olympic podiums!
Karosanyo 10 months ago
@Karosanyo Thanks for pointing that out :) Michelle did skate well here and probably deserved it, but I still think Irina should have been given more credit for her performance. At her best, Slutskaya blows Kwan's best out of the water by a mile.
allenglandlawns 10 months ago
@allenglandlawns More credit? She was given 5.9's for this sloppy performance... I feel that she was overmarked and Michelle was undermarked. Slutskaya's best is mediocre to Kwan's best. Irina NEVER gave a better performance than Michelle's '96, 2000-2001 Worlds, '98 Nationals, '98 World Pro technical program, 2003 National and Worlds LP's, etc. I think the only good performance from Irina was the 2005 Worlds, but those Kwan LP's above were superior...
Karosanyo 10 months ago
@Karosanyo Given 5.9s for a sloppy performance? She was blew Kwan out of the water but Kwan was overscored. If you want to look at gifted 5.9s, take a look at Kwan's crapfests on simple programs that were also handed 6s CONSISTENTLY. You know what? Now that I think about it more, Irina did deserve this championship and was definitely robbed of the gold by Kwan favoritism imo.
allenglandlawns 10 months ago
@allenglandlawns Yes, Irina was very sloppy and she had ZERO choreography. Her posture and her telegraphing into her jumps was ugly. Her first triple lutz was off, her triple-triple-double was cheated, and her second triple-triple was two-footed. She was a sloppy mess! I agree with Peggy about her performance. Crapfests? You told me that you always liked Kwan's programs. I don't think that you're being honest. Michelle was never gifted 6s at world level...
Karosanyo 10 months ago
@Karosanyo I was referring to her terrible performances (ie falling, tripping, downgrading an already easy program), not the programs themselves.
allenglandlawns 10 months ago
@allenglandlawns You think that Michelle had "terrible" performances at the 1996, 2000-2001, 2003 Worlds??? Michelle's awesome performance at the 2000 Worlds is better than ALL of Irina's performances put together, IMO. Michelle almost always had difficult programs.
Karosanyo 10 months ago
@Karosanyo Difficult? Please. All she does is wiggles are body and limbs around without exerting much effort. Irina was a real athlete with real athletic skills and good artistry. Kwan could slide on her butt for 4 minutes and still have her rabid fans and judges give her 6s. Irina and pretty much every real athlete have to push themselves with the hardest moves to earn any attention. Kwan is babied, pampered, and a joke to skating as a sport. She belongs in ice shows, NOT competition.
allenglandlawns 10 months ago
@allenglandlawns Yes, Michelle's choreography was innovative and difficult in most of her programs. Not exerting much effort? Michelle had great ice coverage and speed (watch her '96 Worlds, '98 Nationals, 98 World Pro, 2000-2001 Worlds, 2003 Nationals and Worlds again). Irina hardly ever had much choreography in her programs. I'm far from biased when it comes to any of my favorite skaters.
Karosanyo 10 months ago
@allenglandlawns Actually, Michelle had more 7 triple performances than Irina had at the majors (1995-1996 Worlds, 2000-2001 with the triple-triple, '98 Olympics, etc.). Irina never had a clean skate in an Olympic LP as well (Michelle was far from her best at the '98 Oylmpics but she was clean). Irina's programs were empty and simple. Yuna has even stated how much she loves Michelle's programs. Michelle deserved 6s for her 2000-2001 Worlds LPS...
Karosanyo 10 months ago
@allenglandlawns Oksana and Sasha are the ones who should be in ice shows. They NEVER had a clean 7 triple LP at world level skating. Oksana is the one who was babied and pampered. She was gifted her World and Olympic titles. MIchelle NEVER had it easy at Worlds and the Olympics (what they did to her at the 2004 Worlds was awful). I disagree that she was gifted the bronze at the 2002 Olympics. I think that she deserved to win the SP and beat Sasha in the LP (Michelle's jumps were better).
Karosanyo 10 months ago
@allenglandlawns I think that Michelle should have gotten 6s for her 2000-2001 Worlds LP's. There's NO WAY that Irina's flawed and sloppy performance should have won over Michelle perfect and beautiful performance at the 2001 Worlds.
Karosanyo 10 months ago
@allenglandlawns: I love it, I was reading the comments and you initially say that Irina was robbed b/c of Kwan "favoritism" and then later you admitted that Kwan deserved the gold here??? Ummm, okay. As i've said many times, have you sought therapy yet?
mlc2005 4 months ago
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Karosanyo 10 months ago
@Karosanyo Kwan is a big phony. She preaches sportsmanship to mask her shock and anger. She was babied and pampered almost everywhere. If she had any dignity after embarrassing the US twice at the Olympics, she would have packed her bags after being gifted that bronze in SLC. Sarah, Sasha, and Irina (in that order) should have been on that podium. Kwan is just a placeholder on top of the podium and is hardly a champion.
allenglandlawns 10 months ago
@allenglandlawns I disagree with your opinions about Kwan. Michelle deserved her bronze medal (I feel that she deserved to win the SP and beat Sasha in the LP). Michelle is a great skater and champion. Irina still stated that she should have won in SLC and they only wanted an American to win...
Karosanyo 10 months ago
@Karosanyo I think you might be mistaking the Russian federation or Plushenko with those comments, but Irina is a champion who has been beat down so much in her career and fought her way back to the top like a true champion. She never enjoyed the praise and gushing Kwan had but displayed raw athleticism and strength. She earned her medals (like any true athlete) and was never given breaks the way Kwan was consistently and ridiculously given.
allenglandlawns 10 months ago
@allenglandlawns No, Irina stated this in many interviews (it looks like she and Plushenko think alike). I think that Irina was propped up all of the time. Michelle never had it easy at world level skating...
Karosanyo 10 months ago
@Karosanyo Would you care to show me this? If you're right, I stand corrected :). But Irina still had to earn her wins. She is genuine, real, and has a very bubbly personality. Kwan is downright dull, scripted, fake, and masks her arrogance and ignorance behind that oh-so-gracious pr created image.
allenglandlawns 10 months ago
@allenglandlawns I don't know how to post links. Just type in Irina Slutskaya thinks that she should have won the gold at the 2002 Olympics. I'm sure you'll find it. Again, I disagree with your opinions about Kwan. Irina even said the Michelle was a genuine and nice person. Yuna loves her as well.
Karosanyo 10 months ago
@Karosanyo I typed it in, searched, and found no such words from Irina. I did find this though...
"I didn't say anything about Sarah Hughes. Sarah skated great today, too," Slutskaya said. "I'm just surprised. Yeah, I'm a good skater, it's true. I skated good today. But judges take their choices. That's it."
She admitted she was confused and appeared angry but she was honest and was all smiles at the medal ceremony unlike Kwan with her gifted bronze and forced smile and scripted camera speech.
allenglandlawns 10 months ago
@allenglandlawns I'll try to find those articals and tell you where to find them. A scripted camera speech? Michelle looked very honest to me (she was very upset because she knew that she LOST the LP). I disagree that Michelle was gifted the bronze. Yes, Irina was angry because she thought that she should have won (like when she lost at the 2000-2001 Worlds). She was a sore loser.
Karosanyo 10 months ago
@Karosanyo Well, I looked them up again and the quotes you said Irina spoke do exist, but they came from Russian officials. I googled words like slutkskaya, hughes, salt lake, and protest under 2002 news, but I can't find any record of Slutskaya saying any of that. Let me know if you do! =) Irina actually has a personality, is genuine, and very refreshing to watch skate and hear from.
allenglandlawns 10 months ago
@allenglandlawns I will still look for them (I know that I read those statements from Irina herself!). Irina also stated that she should have won the SP and the LP. That statement from Irina that you posted sounds phony to me. Did you see Irina run off and throw a temper tantrum after she found out that she lost? She was all smiles at the interview. She did the same thing at the 2001 Worlds! Irina is a sore loser. Michelle looked honest and hurt (she KNEW that she lost the LP).
Karosanyo 10 months ago
@allenglandlawns Unlike Irina, Michelle always gave credit and acknowledged the skater who beat her. To say that MIchelle's camera speech was "scripted" is silly. I apologize and take back my accusations about Irina's statements if I can't find the proof (I know for sure that those were her statements that I saw and read). I like Irina, but she didn't handle losing well. I loved that she had her moment at the 2005 Worlds (I actually cried).
Karosanyo 10 months ago
@allenglandlawns I know that Michelle wasn't all suger and spice that like some of her fans think, but she's not the monster that you sometimes make her out to be. She's a human being. I hope that you have a great weekend!
Karosanyo 10 months ago
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allenglandlawns 10 months ago
@allenglandlawns Michelle was so classy at the '98 Olympics. I liked when she went to hug Tara and Tara told her no! Tara acted like an arrogant and spoiled brat (Michelle even told her that she liked her at the press conference. Covering up her medal? Michelle was in a lot of pain over this loss (I think that she felt like she let her father down, but I don't want to elaborate on this). You and I get along well, but this constant nit picking at Michelle is very sad. Michelle is a human being.
Karosanyo 10 months ago
@Karosanyo I love that we get along too! :) Kwan said she skated her absolute best in Nagano and has nothing to be ashamed bc she earned the silver. Tara was just way better. Kwan classy? Hardly. The sportsmanship she preached was her attempt to mask her anger that she got RUN OVER. Tara arrogant? It looked like she told Kwan as though they weren't supposed to step up on the podium yet. But oh well, let's trash the winner to console the loser. Kwan seems to need that protection.
allenglandlawns 10 months ago
@allenglandlawns No, Michelle stated that she was clean but "stale" in the LP. She didn't state that she skated her best. I agree that Tara was better that night (I still prefer Michelle's National skate). I just disagree with your opinions about Kwan. No, Michelle wanted to hug Tara and Tara told her no (I love it when Michelle still went to her after they were on the podium). I think that Tara is arrogant. She did state that she needs to come back now and show these girls how to compete...
Karosanyo 10 months ago
@Karosanyo Here's a quote from her at the press conference.
"`I came out of the rink happy,'' Kwan said. ``I skated my best. There was nothing more I could have done. I truly knew that.'' Kwan skated her best. And her best wasn't good enough!
allenglandlawns 10 months ago
@allenglandlawns But after Michelle saw her performance she stated that she was stale. She was far from her best like she was at Nationals that year. Michelle wins when she's her best...
Karosanyo 10 months ago
@Karosanyo What did Tara go into the locker room before the warmup and sabotage Kwan's skates? Kwan skated her best and had the bias of the judges and media in her favor and still LOST. She is a constantly propped up and a babied placeholder to the throne. Tara and Sarah destroyed the Kwan favoritism and proved that championship courage and skill are what matters, not this "skate with my heart" bs. Irina is a gracious champion and took her SLC medal with smiles unlike the phony and pouty Kwan.
allenglandlawns 10 months ago
@allenglandlawns No, Michelle just didn't skate her best at the 1998 Olympics. Her National and Olympic performances are like night and day. LOL! The bias of the judges? If these judges truly wanted Michelle to win they would have made that happen(think about the 1994 Olympics). Michelle NEVER had favoritism at world level skating....
Karosanyo 10 months ago
LOVE a 1985 catch leg spiral!
JPBENEF 1 year ago
GREAT JOB! Deserved silver!
JPBENEF 1 year ago
NOONE will ever replicate what Kwan has accomplished! =P
foresure88 2 years ago
i agree the 3-3 was underrotated
Egbert23 2 years ago
You should tried to jump like her. Have fun.
Yummy1976 2 years ago
Both Irina and Michelle skated SO MUCH BETTER than they would the following year at the Olympics...Maria too.
MTVMANN 2 years ago
@MTVMANN: Agreed! Especially Kwan and Maria. Irina sort of had some issues at this worlds and at the Olympics. Kwan and Maria were pretty much flawless in their free programs at this worlds. Such a shame they couldn't pull it together:
mlc2005 2 years ago
Kwadruple, you are correct. Peter Carruthers is a complete idiot. Also, he gives off the strangest vibe when he interviews skaters.. like some sort of strange uncle or something.
kabayevakabayeva 2 years ago
was her first combination a triple salchow-triple loop and double toe...
or was it triple salchow-double loop-double toe...
i kinda got confused by the commentary
fluteAHS 2 years ago 2
it's a triple salchow+triple loop+double toe combination
erecsec 2 years ago
yeah, Peter Carruthers is an IDIOT. He messes it up in the replay, too.
kwadruple 2 years ago 3
I agree
Basileus1983 2 years ago
triple triple double :D
xlutskaya 2 years ago
It was a very underrotated triple salchow triple loop double toe combo. In slow speed the loop was 1/2 rotation short.
neonmagicz 2 years ago 3
3 salchow 3 loop into a double toe loop.
Yummy1976 2 years ago
Watching Irina skate and I know she's not going to last competing with the likes of Mao or Yu-Na. Queen of flutzing
acuison1 2 years ago
Haha. ANyone who's a flutzer is Mao...
Irina has consistent Outside edge or at the least flat edge going into the lutz.
neonmagicz 2 years ago
OK peeps, here goes...
-------------2001 Worlds Long-----------------
KWAN: artistry, choreography, extention, musicality, lyrical quality , overall consistency BUT she is slow, not much height to her jumps, mediocre footwork, mediocre spins
SLUTSKAYA: speed, strength, jumping prowess, fire, sense of abandon, great spins (but travels), height of jumps, difficulty of elements BUT she is sloppy, unrefined, inconsistent, too wild, lack of choreography, lack of artistry, bad extention.
trojanrob24 2 years ago 3
trojanrob24: I think your analysis is pretty much right on: Those two skate so differently that it's hard to compare: I have always felt that Irina would have been MUCH more successful had she found a great choreographer. Can you imagine the magic, with her great jumps, if she was able to work with someone like Lori Nichol or Sandra Bezic. Even Maria Butyrskaya (from Russia) had great choreography.. Ive never understood why Irina lacked this, esp. knowing Kwan's superior artistic talent.
mlc2005 2 years ago 2
@trojanrob24: Just to add, I also disagree that Kwan is "slow" or has "mediocre footwork." I actually thought her footwork was one of her greatest strengths, esp. as it went so beautifully with the music.
mlc2005 2 years ago 2
floppy image lol
noyski 2 years ago
Irina's jumps were higher than Michell's. Irina did combinations that Kwan could only dream about. Also, Michell's spins and foot sequence suck.
ruilca 3 years ago
Irina = sloppy jumps. Michelle wouldn't dream of those.
dinh 3 years ago
Michelle's 3lutz3loop combination= fall. Under new judgment system: Irina=success, Michelle=failure
ruilca 3 years ago
Irina Slutskya = Great champion to the skating world. Michelle Kwan = Great Icon to the Sports World (not just skating). New Judgement System = no artistry = Irina Slutskya.
dinh 3 years ago 2
New Judgment System=honest and fair system=Irina's victory. The first woman performed 3lutz3loop combination=Irina. The only woman doing Bilman spin on both feet=Irina!
ruilca 3 years ago
first women to land a majorly cheated 3flutz/3loop= Irina Slutskaya
first women to land a REAL 3lutz/3loop=Miki Ando
First women to have a scratch spin travel half way across the rink at the end of her program=Irina Slutskaya
kwadruple 2 years ago 10
SHUT UP BITCH
ruilca 2 years ago
that's mature:)
kwadruple 2 years ago
@kwadruple amen. the comment about the traveling spin had me collapsing out of my chair!
radiorice 1 year ago
@kwadruple Are you kidding? Irina did clean full-rotated 3Lz+3Lo. Not here, but earlier. And she had lust a little movement on a perfect high speed. Anyway, she's lost this championshipю And you are not a specialist, thus write IMHO.
slavaro1992 8 months ago
@slavaro1992 You must be speaking of the GPF in 99/00 and it's not an opinion- slo-mo shows it was majorly cheated by a half a turn.
kwadruple 7 months ago
@kwadruple Proof? I can see only clean combination. And also you opinion that Irina did flutz is just funny. She did the best perfect edged lutz at that time. If you dislike Irina, just calm and pass on. Because your words - just words and you're looking for disadvantages in such a way where there are none.
slavaro1992 7 months ago
@kwadruple agree, i cant believe they ratified her 3 lutz-3 loop...it was SOOOOOO cheated!
hrjr2009 6 months ago
New Judgement System = no artistry? Really? Do you honestly believe that Shizuka Arakawa, Yu-Na Kim, Sasha Cohen, Mao Asada, Carolina Kostner and Yukari Nakano have no artistry? And please watch Irina Slutskaya's 1999 Kerri Lotion program and you'll probably change your mind about her artistry.
AnnaPavlovaFan 2 years ago 4
Yes, NJS= no artistry. None of the skaters you mention have great artistry except for Sasha. And we know what her record is....
dinh 2 years ago
We obviously disagree, which is fine. In my humble opinion, there have been very few artistic skaters under the old CoP (Witt, Chen, Baiul, Kwan, Butyrskaya and Cohen).
PS: Kim Yu-Na IS a great artist, much better than Cohen. Michelle Kwan said it herself!
AnnaPavlovaFan 2 years ago
@AnnaPavlovaFan: Yuna is a good artist (certainly the best out there right now), but I wouldn't say she's better than Cohen, in my humble opinion. I thought your list of great artists though was right on!
mlc2005 2 years ago 2
I agree...Cohen is better that Yu-Na in artistry...however, I used the word "better"...not "superior". Yu-Na has the artistry in her and it will only be seen what Cohen can do. She won't have a 3-3, but if she can do her two 3-2 and skate cleanly then she has a good chance of beating her.
Yu-Na is doing some "James Bond" type number for her SP that could be considered less refined than what Sasha will do...assuming she does what she normally does.
As for Irina, she simply has her own style
MTVMANN 2 years ago
@MTVMANN: Yeah, I agree there too.I think it would be wonderful if Yuna could pull it all together and skate with emotion and connect with an audience the way Kwan, and to some degree, Cohen did/do. To combine Yuna's consistency, jumping ability, with some wonderful artistry, expression and emotion would be electric, and would give a much needed jolt to figure skating. Right now, people watch it and it all looks the same; we've come out of an incredible decade of skating, and I'm waiting.
mlc2005 2 years ago
Kwan was mostly referring to Yu-Na's technical. Cohen has possibly the best artistry of all time. Ask Peggy or Dick Button. Michelle had more heart and passion but as of artistry, I'm a little more amazed with Cohen. Kwan's artistry is still great!
dinh 2 years ago
@dinh: Sorry about that.. I did indeed misread your post. I guess I get a bit too passionate about Kwan sometimes; there are so many haters on youtube that rip her without any justification, so I do apologize. :)
mlc2005 2 years ago
But who has better consistency with the jumps? LOL. The only thing that Sasha is consistent with is her spins and spirals, lol.
chonaV 2 years ago 3
@dinh: Did I understand you correctly? Chen, Kwan don't have good artistry? Are you insane or just a moron? Or both? Hehe, seriously though, if you don't think the list below includes artistic skater, you don't know much about figure skating.
mlc2005 2 years ago 6
No you didn't understand me correctly at all. If you read the whole thread, I'm actually a Kwan supporter. It's the skaters that some mentioned which was what I was referring to. So please do not jump to call people morons. Kwan's artistry is far beyond any of the current skaters.
dinh 2 years ago
Ruilca... Im sorry dude, but if you think Kwan didn't deserve to win this competition you have no credibility as a fan of skating.. Listen, I adore Irina and think she's awesome, but Kwan's long program was flawless and an absolute artistic masterpiece.. you strike me as a fan of irina who is unwilling to call it objectively. Especially with statement's like Kwan's footwork "Sucks"
mlc2005 3 years ago 2
Yes Irina jumps were higher BUT SLOPPY like Peggy said. Her presentation scores were inflated. Kwan deserved the gold medal here.
superrJ 3 years ago
Listen to the crowd after the scores was announced.... they knew Kwan's performance deserved gold!!!
superrJ 3 years ago
I never understood the choreography of Irina.... She was such a great skater, and she needed a great choreographer.. but she never got one... she was always skating around the ice... Not even close to Kwan.
mlc2005 3 years ago
Kwan won this one hands down,.... I mean, there is absolutely no comparison.... WATCH THE TWO PROGRAMS PEOPLE!
mlc2005 3 years ago
Hmm... there are so many bitter (and blind) Irina fans here, ha ha ha!
tybashdracistfaggot 3 years ago
Good Program for Irina, but I agree with Peggy Fleming the program was rather sloppy.
rickram1961 3 years ago 2
Irina 's the best !!!
florianlepatineur 3 years ago
Irina es la mejor del mundo.
Si hubiera ejecutado bien la segunda combinacion (3lz+3loo+2toe) indiscutiblemente deberia haber ganado. Pero pienso que ejecutar un programa limpio (como Michelle) debe parecer a ojos de los jueces más importante que el merito tecnico.
Irina tiene grandes saltos y combinaciones, y no se puede comparar con la mediocridad de Michelle en ese sentido.
¡Vamos Irina!
Basileus1983 3 years ago
¿Mediocridad de Michelle? ¿Has perdido el juicio? Kwan completo 7 triples LIMPIOS, si alguien fue mediocre en esa competencia fue Irina, su presentacion es horrorosa, malas posiciones,en espirales,giros y en general, se inclina demasiado,no tiene control de brazos y lo mas importante,nisiquiera completo 2 3+3 limpias, la primera quedo corta de rotación, pero por el antiguo sistema eso no se comento, y la segunda, buena ya vimos el resultado.Solo ejecuto 5 triples en total,hablando de mediocres.
sayalamar 3 years ago
Me rectifico:
Cuando dije que Michelle es mediocre (COMPARADA CON IRINA EN EL EL ASPECTO TECNICO) me referia en general, y NO especificamente a este programa, en el que RECONOZCO el merito de Kwan para ganal el oro. Y, si lees bien mi comentario, dije claramente que para ganar el oro Irina necesitaria haber logrado su segunda combinación.
Basileus1983 3 years ago
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1st lutz: tilted on landing.
sal/loop: cheated loop.
lutz/loop: cheated loop.
she actually only landed 5 clean fully rotated triples.
Even under CoP, she would've lost.
neonmagicz 4 years ago
Kwan had triple toe cheated in her 3/3 combo and the last lutz cheated as well and she does flutz. Both had 5 clean triples ,at least Slutskaya's lutz was actually lutz.
thesunny2007 3 years ago 3
fine, both 5 triples. Irina simply had more mistakes... Kwan does her lutz on a flat edge...
Irina also lips, which is also an incorrect edge if you wanna be technical.
Sloppy spins, choregraphy, transitions, no in betweens.
neonmagicz 3 years ago
Slutskaya does her lutz on a flat edge too, what are you talking about. Look at slo-mo of her doing that jump.
Zuranthium 3 years ago
Yeah since we all saw at the 2005 worlds how well Kwan matches up to Irina under COP, LOL! By the way even if you add the points for Kwan's mistakes at those worlds she is killed by Irina at the 2005 worlds.
propgad 3 years ago
bitter much?
twilight3three3 3 years ago
It's true, though. Slutskaya always had much more difficult skating, and once the CoP came into play she simply could not get away with the cautious skating she had. She wasn't ambitious, and the CoP rewards risktaking HUGELY. Her inferior spins also hurt her, cause she wasn't able to do as many fast spin combos as Slutskaya et co. She had no difficult triple triple, and her toe/toe combo was inconsistent at beast. They downgrade in the CoP, and Irina got points over Kwan even when she fell.
GoBogi 3 years ago 2
Not one of Irina's better skating programs. This program was not well executed. The jumps and artistry were just plain sloppy.
rickram1961 4 years ago
There was no way this program was gonna beat Michelle's brilliand n perfect performance
sergioayala 4 years ago
SLOPPY. Haha. Geez Peggy. Sloppy is her favorite adjective when describing Irina Slutskaya. Although Irina is a tremendous athlete, I do agree. :P
sixfootpianist7 4 years ago 2
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Oh, wow, so true! It WAS sloppy, un-musical, boring. In her best days Slutskaya could do nothing but jump, and although she had great height and power, I don't think she was as consistent as, say, Tara Lipinski. She knew nothing about how to present a performance, she knew nothing about beauty. Is she ever wins the gold medal--although I highly doubt she ever will; she'll be 31 in 2010--figure skating will surely have gone to the birds!
frostdiamond1 4 years ago
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hahaha i agree! Irina is a great skater but most of the time she almost gets too much height on jumps that her landings really scare me! you never know how she's gonna maintain her balance on those triples she's landing- really sloppy balance i have to say.
fallcolor1 4 years ago
I actually prefer if she would go for distance over height to help make the landings smoother, like Johnny Weir does.
1andonlyCobra 3 years ago