"I have yet to find a single credible source pointing to a case where Che executed 'an innocent'. Those persons executed by Guevara or on his orders were condemned for the usual crimes punishable by death at times of war or in its aftermath: desertion, treason or crimes such as rape, torture or murder. I should add that my research spanned five years, and included anti-Castro Cubans among the Cuban-American exile community in Miami and elsewhere."
Che is justice ... Che is righteousness ... Che is liberty ... Che is equality ... Che is fearlessness ... Che is rebellion ... Che is truth.
Che is everything noble in the human spirit. An eternal flame that burns in the hearts of millions - that flame can never be extinguished. If a heaven didn't exist before Oct 9 1967, then one would have had to be created = solely for Che Guevara.
he rounded up gays and kids who listened to rock music, put them in forced labor camps. how's that for heroics? He ordered the execution of more than 300,000 in three years. per capita he was worse that Stalin and Hitler. Hitler was a socialist, by the way. Not a capitalist.
"I have yet to find a single credible source pointing to a case where Che executed 'an innocent'. Those persons executed by Guevara or on his orders were condemned for the usual crimes punishable by death at times of war or in its aftermath: desertion, treason or crimes such as rape, torture or murder. I should add that my research spanned five years, and included anti-Castro Cubans among the Cuban-American exile community in Miami and elsewhere."
Great movies. THank you Del toro for showing our HEROE to the world. CHe is a LATIN HEROE. Whether the fucking u.s.a likes it or not, who gives a shit. Un pueblo unido, no sera vencido!!!! Patria o Muerte.
I love how people in the u.s feel superior then others.. Bunch of dumb asses!! We should continue to give them crack cocaine.. That is all they are good for. Wich is also good for our economy!!!
Che’s radicalism was spawned from living in Guatemala during the 1953 overthrow of Jacobo Arbenz by the CIA at the behest of the United Fruit Company (those lovely capitalists who liked to kill brown Central Americans so Americans could have cheap bananas).
Che saw the brutality of U$ Imperialism up close, and gave his life in Bolivia to defeat it. Che fought 3 U.S.-backed dictators during his life (Batista, Mobutu, Barrientos).
History may not ever see such a brave man again. VIVA CHE!!
"I have yet to find a single credible source pointing to a case where Che executed 'an innocent'. Those persons executed by Guevara or on his orders were condemned for the usual crimes punishable by death at times of war or in its aftermath: desertion, treason or crimes such as rape, torture or murder. I should add that my research spanned five years, and included anti-Castro Cubans among the Cuban-American exile community in Miami and elsewhere."
@Zeinouto If you say that Che Guevara is a mass murderer, you would have to say that the Founding Fathers and the French Revolutionaries were also mass murderers (in its negative connotation given by those opposing Che). He fought against a ruthless dictator and sent a message. "We want Freedom, now"
Were his tactics a bit brutal? Most likely. But he fought for what was right
@TheRationalist76 Yeah if you're a Socialist you would think that. But thats not exactly how it panned out, is it? they CLAIMED they were fighting for the Common Man. But what did they do when they got in power? Complete REJECTION of Free Speech. MURDER of those who voiced their opinions against them. Establishment of yet ANOTHER repressive Dictatorship. That sound "Right" to you? Bunch of Power hungry Hypocrites. Thats the TRUTH of who they were. And there was nothing Right about it at all
Yesterday's freedom fighters are today's terrorists. Che is viewed as a hero for dying when he did, but what he did and where he got would have only led to a totalitarian regime. He is no hero, he's just a man with a gun and a will.
If you uh uh uh, have a aa a a a a, truthfulness, do real person, ah ah ah, errr..., I am not Che, ah a a a a a, I did interpretation, best could, blah blah, errr. Ha ha ha, I can't belive Benicio del Toro is a "real actor".
Todos los que critican al CHE me pueden chuparl el 5to forro de las pelotas, imperialistas del orto, que cada uno haga lo que quiera en vez de andar opinando mal de alguien sin siquiera informarse correctamente de lo que hizo, otarios
CHE = Hero, leader, icon, father, son, husband, rebel, soldier, writer, intellectual, doctor, politician, dentist, poet, statesman, military theorist, economist, guerrilla, teacher, diplomat, general, warrior, defender of the poor, inspirational legend, and current saint in Bolivia.
Che represents everything that the right-wingers secretly wish they were - brave, determined, dashing, charismatic, intelligent, and unshakable against impenetrable odds .....
"DEFEND" Che??? Associated Press, you could work a better title than that. Its pretty misleading, they are just talking about the Role and the Director points out the best way to watch its going to see both movies together.
He fought for the freedom of Cuba, without asking for anything (not petrol, like some do, when supposly looking for weapons of mass destruction that never show up)??!!! Che moved out of Cuba short time after the victory, he went to Africa, and other countries in south America, where he lived a life of misery. He never had the power or glory, while alive, he could have had.
Che was a fighter and above all, an idealist. who had the balls, none of us possess, to fight for a free and fair world!
Che may have commited some atrocities, I do believe that, but calling Che a massive murderer is beyond ridiculous. That image is being sold by the US for way too long, after all, they were the ones who chased him to death. They do need an excuse, don't they? I wonder how Americans classify themselfs after Afeganistan, Iraque, Vietnam, japan...the list goes on and on. If Che is a massive murderer, then the US must have certainly blown up the scale. What then to do about you?
Compared to totalitarian Communism, Capitalism with democracy and freedom is 100 times better. If you don't believe me go and live in Cuba, but leave your dirty Capitalist dollars in the US. You will find out in no time the "specifics" of Che's methods. Sadists murderers like Fidel and Che take power in those situations through TERROR like Hitler and like Stalin. Please don't blame the slaves for being in slavery. The Communist masters are the guilty parties.
Say what you like about Che, and his ideals, but I find that wether any of us agree on his point of view and the things he was trying to do or not, he was a very interesting charachter and would make a compelling film. I would like to see this very much.
I saw a teenager wearing the Che shirt here in Thailand. Funny, because Che put his .45 to the heads of teenage kids who were hired by Battista to carry rifles. When they readily surrendered, Che personally blew their brains out as they whimpered and begged for their lives. No jury trial. With hordes of prisoners screaming from the prison windows that they were just children. Pretty cool! You commies are so hip-cool! Stupid, anti-intellectual thugs.
@FreedomJury. And I suppose capitalism is a completely humanizing force throughout the world? Communism is an end goal and desire for democracy in every sector of society only meekly glimpsed through the capitalist structures which exist. I don't know much about the specifics of Che's methods to effect revolution...though, I do have legitimate questions. How can the people take power of their situation? Do you think those controlling society would relinquish their position with weak admonition?
To all critics of Che Guevara: How is what he did any different from what William Wallace did in 10th Century Scotland, or what America did durng the War of 1812? When North Americans and Europeans fight for freedom, it is called a revolution; when South Americans and those in the Middle East do, it's called terrorism. Why can't we in North America accept the fact that we are not the only people who have the right to fight for freedom?
@Jumpincloud Agreed. I'm not a huge fan of Che myself, and some of things he did are pretty reprehensible, but if we were to only focus on the negative legacy of people, humanity would have no heroes or figures to draw inspiration from. Should we ignore the atrocities Che committed? Definitely not, but I feel Che's conflicting legacies make him a more compelling, and ultimately more human and real individual, not less. If you looked at most of the US's heroes, they are just a gray shaded.
@IneptTroopr "I'm not a huge fan of Che myself, and some of things he did are pretty reprehensible"....why because he pulled the trigger himself when he had to take life . Are you suggesting giving the go ahead for a cluster bomb attack killing 35 women and children in Yemen is somewho less reprehensible because Obama is sitting in an office when he does it, what about predator drone attacks on villages in Pakistan. Is killing okay when those who do it carry it out remotely?
@DJSpinoza I'm not defending the so-called "War on Terror", and the atrocities committed by it; quite the opposite in fact, I think that what the US is doing in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Yemen amounts to the greatest evil in our time. On the other hand, I'm not a pacifist, and do recognize the necessity of revolutionary violence at times, and when it com es down to it, I'm on the side of the oppressed. However, that doesn't forgive the mass executions or camps that Che oversaw either.
@IneptTroopr You make a fair point, I think Che was an obsessive character and very often in their ideological zeal they cross a line that should not be crossed and when that happens there is no going back. I've read some passages from Hitler where he talks about the anger he feels for the oppressed, they could have been Che's words. It's so common the liberator of the poor and oppressed becomes their dictator. Stalin started out training to be a priest, Che a doctor as you know.
@DJSpinoza For example, do I oppose the US in of Afghanistan? Absolutely. Does that mean I support the Taliban, and its brutal means of enforcing its own twisted version of Islam upon the Afghans? Definitely not.
I'm not trying to compare Che with the Taliban, but I'm just making a point that sometimes the world isn't as simple as good vs. evil, or imperialist vs. oppressed. Overall I think Che represented some of the best qualities of humanity, but he committed some of the worst as well.
Sure - All Socialist are freedom fighters, Hitler was, Stalin and Mau too.
Turns out that all those suckers killed milions of Human beings. Hitler - between 11 and 17 milion, Stain 20 milion and Mau - 70 milion people.
Unfortunately Socialists like Marx and Engels claimed that some people are to far behind to bring them up to the revolutionary level and they have to be killed in so called "Revolutionary Holocaust".
lookup this: Why killing is essential to communism on YouTube
@polonophobia And capitalists/imperialists haven't? Look at the man Che was fighting: Fulgencio Batista, a fellow who used just as much brutality and oppression as Hitler, Stalin and Mau. Guess what? IMPERIALIST. Either way, it's irrelevant; I'm not saying socialists are the only freedom fighters, and I'm not even arguing that socialists don't kill people. All I am saying is, what's worth fighting for? To even try and compare freedom fighting to genocide and oppression just shows your ignorance.
@MrReco12 That is FALSE. He also executed Innocent people who spoke out against the Castro Regime, as well as under-aged Boys. He had a CONCENTRATION Camp. Hes not called the "Butcher of La Cabana" for no reason. Also, how the HELL was Hitler a Capitalist when he was opposed to the Private Sector? He believed in COMPLETE Government control. He was National Socialist...thats not Capitalism. National Socialism is opposed to both Communism and Capitalism. Its a FORM of Socialism, not Capitalism
@williwo "I have yet to find a single credible source pointing to a case where Che executed 'an innocent'. Those persons executed by Guevara or on his orders were condemned for the usual crimes punishable by death at times of war or in its aftermath: desertion, treason or crimes such as rape, torture or murder. I should add that my research spanned five years, and included anti-Castro Cubans among the Cuban-American exile community in Miami and elsewhere."
Let me remind you in what circumstances was this name given and to whom.
It was George Bernard Shaw when he testified that the gossip of Soviets allegedly killing Ukrainians is an aggressive anti-socialist propaganda. The west had believed him and thanks to that uncle Stalin could kill 7 million Ukrainian men, women and children in space of just one winter.
Useful idiots - the world is full of them even today.
@czakoo Many of those rich kids that wear his t-shirt are sons/daughters of the people that Che was opposing. Although i could be categorized as a "rich white kid", i understand Che's goal and his fight for freedom. I do not condone the actions of Capitalists and would stand by Che's side any day of the week. I don't wear Che's shirt because the kids that wear his shirt don't understand his cause, or even know who he truly was.
@TheRationalist76 You are a Cocksucker and should be ashamed. I guess you never read about the 14 year old boy who openly defied Che to his face, and refused to get on his knees when Che asked him to, telling Che he would have to kill him while he was standing. Che was a fucking son of a bitch, thug murderer. You dont condone the actions of Capitalists? Where is your outcry against the Lenins, Maos, and Ches of the world?? Shame on YOU! SHAME!!
USA governments controling poor countries governments (like Batista), use them to exploit their labor for cheaper production. And with that wealth, they create mindless consumers in America etc., blinded them with liberal politics to avoid them thinkin with social consciousness and rebel against USA's tyranny. So no matter what you tell them, they wont see what Che fought for. They dont know true meaning of equality, justice and freedom. Cause they never lost it, never get exploited.
"Che" was one of the biggest box office bombs of all time. Americans had better things to do than suffer through this dreadful cinematic stool sample. Here in the land of the free we don't think much of Hollywood's favorite terrorist or the brutal dictatorship that he helped create. Che died again,this time at the box office.
Any American who values their own War for Independence should educate themselves before condemning the Cuban Revolution. Cuba is one of the few places in Central and South America that has freed itself from Corporate exploitation and endeavors to see that all its People live in dignity and free from abject and humiliating squalor. Yet still ALL have basic healthcare, education and a roof over their heads. It's poverty comes from the Yanqui blockade and not the 'failure of Socialism.'
You're right, if the god-damn US goverment would lift the embargo, maybe Cuba would have the means to grow it's economy. The only thing that keeps Cuba running now is The People's Republic of China, and some other socialist states. Funny how, when Katrina hit New Orleans, the Cuban help and volunteers were the first there to lend a hand. This shows that Cuba does not revenge on the people for the mistakes of their leaders. God-damn imperialist ass-wipes...
@mrana121 You know what was nice about visting Berlin in 08 as opposed to 74, 88 when I was there? Your "ilk" is gone. There's actual color and life there.
There in America you have 1/3 of the population living in miserable conditions, while the other 2/3 lives on the back of that 1/3. Your "great America" would be nothing compared to Cuba, if those filthy officials of your would lift the god-damn embargo. Who was the first to help when Katrina hit New Orleans ? IT WAS FUCKING CUBA ASSHOLE ! I PISS ON THAT IMAGINARY FREEDOM YOU THINK YOU HAVE ! THE WHOLE FUCKIN' FBI KNOWS WHEN YOU'RE JACKIN' OFF TO PORN, YOU GOON !
@mrana121 Cuba doesn't have freedom of speech you cannot openly criticize the government, that's not what Che believed in, but he is dead and Cuba is a bad country and did not realize his vision. Plus America has freedom, period.
America has C.I.A. performing LSD mind-control experiments on the population. Of course, only the poor take part in it, the rich don't. America has Patriot Act. Congrats, if the president thinks your granny is a terrorist, then it's jailtime for her. America has 1/3 of the population living in very bad conditions. America has FBI, and FBI is watchin' you jack off. America has the shallowest culture in the world...and the shittiest...have a nice day.
@mrana121 wow you know very little about America.We do not have mind control expierments on the population.And the president did not think a granny was a terrorist(george bush might have)1/3 of the population is not in bad living conditions.They don't watch people jack off(pretty gross)We are not shallow either and not the shittiest.You need to stop listening to stereotypes and stereotyping Americans.
@blacksheepotano Look at the group of people hitler killed and the group of people Che killed, if it doesn't make a difference to you, then why should you celebrate Gorge Washington's birthday?
Defend Che from what? From the bastards that assassinated this lager than life man? There are only two types of ppl. Those that knows about Che and loves dearly what he stood for and those that dislikes him because of propaganda like the on used in Bolivia by the CIA to capture him.
@defiant1125 i would have to say thank you for what you said. A lot of people take their time to insult Che guevara and socialists/communists, but dont mention the fact that they're living in a Capitalist Imperialist country which is the U.S. You can call Che a murderer, but the real murderers are the U.S government. It's like the U.S is the invisible guy.
@JanieManie23 Yeah I know that's what I was saying man. He killed people in self defense. I mean if someone were to invade America, people would fight back right? Well it's time for Americans to think like that, because all this "Che is a murderer" is bullshit. Whenever someone fights back they're vilified.
@JanieManie23 Don't act as if he MURDERED those innocent people, and do not act as if he is alive and well today MURDERING people. I'm sorry for the Innocents lives lost but that is War. It isn't like Che came here and called America the Pearls of Antielles, and started trying to take our natural resources.
@JanieManie23 That's life. Those innocent people were, as Che, a product of history. He did what is almost the most remarkable thing one can do, he died for what he and many others beleived in. Period.
@JanieManie23 Yeah, those were pretty hectic days, indeed. Ask yourself what would've happend if he wouldn't have done as he did. I don't defend the way Cuba is run today, because to be honest the Communist-party in Cuba doesn't really forfill their promise to the people, espacially not to the lowest class. But the way they overthrew the government, I beleive, was the right thing to do.
@Bejdabi Ya so did the 12 highjackers and Hitler. To die for something you believe in does not make you remarkable. He was a murderer. Period. Stop trying to rewrite History. Fucking lefties
@TheProgressistViewer Hitler was, in some sense, remarkable for what he did. It just doesn't fit with our values (at least not mine). And you know what. Yes, Che was a murderer. According to your lawbook and I guess some of your moral, yes, he was a murderer. And you are free to think so. But there are some people who doesn't think that he was a murderer for killing those persons. Killing a high elite, and people supporting them, and doing so for the oppressed can actually seem pretty heroic.
@Bejdabi Not according to some of my morals... according to morality yes he was a sick man, a sociopath and a sadist, the people who think that ''judicial evidence are an archaic bourgeois detail'' is ok have ammoral beliefs, ppl who think it was fair game for che to kill a 12 year old boy in cold blood are sick. There is nothing heroic in killing entrepreneurs, professionals and democrats, there is nothing good in the negation of liberty.
Not one true communist has ever negated liberty, especially Che Guevara. Where the hell did you take that part with the 12 year old from ? Ronald Reagan's Lie Compendium ? I am almost sick of your "democrats" and "entrepreneurs". They are just imperialist scum, who see only what they want to see, and do only what they want to do, especially if it brings them money. I am sick and tired of people stealing legally, and lives being weighted in money.
@mrana121 Stealing legally? You mean like the government? Here is a quote from Che : ''The negroe is lazy and indolent, and spends all his money on booze and frivolities, whereas the european is intelligent and fowardlooking''. He was a racist, a murderer, a stalinist, a sadist, a tortitioner and worse he was a commie scumbag. And yes he did shoot a 12 year old boy in the head. Well known fact.
Well known fact ? That's how you call capitalist shit propaganda ? Well known facts ? Let's be serious here, Che wrote his diaries long before he became a revolutionaire, and I think he is well entitled to the right to make mistakes. Long before he became a true Marxist, he said those things, and let's stop for a second and think about that period of the time, and just figure out yourself that while in a society, he must have been influenced somehow.
I do not praise Che for what he was at one point in time. I praise Che for being the man capable of bringing change, to himself and to others around him. Also, don't forget, his bodyguard was black. Pombo, google-it...
And on top of that, add the argument that he went to Congo and fought with an army of black people at his side. Where's the racism in there ? Imperialist dumbass...
@mrana121 Rock and roll was banned, young cubans who listened to it trowh in labor camps, so where gays. He executed without trial, overshaw torture at la cabana. jailed ppl who voiced contrary opinions. He was a fucking monster.
Yeah, and you have an icon with Ronald Reagan on your eastern wall, to whom you pray every night before sleep. Get a grip, stop reading bullshit "Red Scare" propaganda, and start reading "the other side's" story too. And yeah, "we" still use that word because it's pretty up to date. If you would have known what it meant, you would probably know why we still use it. And yeah, it isn't imperialist propaganda, it's just capitalist propaganda.
@mrana121 Ronald Reagan? What are you talking about? I'm a libertarian not a conservative. When did I say something about Reagan? I read objective history books. Che was a monster. Period.
Ronald Reagan ? Red Scare ? I don't care with whom you side I care that it's just capitalism and I don't like it. Objective history books ? Since when are capitalist books objective ? I don't say that Marxist ones are 100%, but I trust them more than the ones written by "the free capitalists" because I deduced that those are just presenting "facts" as they want to. Che was a monster ? Then why are there songs about him ? Why movies ? Why books ? Why so many friends ?
@mrana121 Millions of Americans celebrated freedom on the 4th of July. "Che" played to empty theaters.Do you feel like a loser? It's because you are one!!!
@TheProgressistViewer Funny I'm a Phi Beta Scholar of Non-Western History and have read much about Che and the Cuban Revolution and the ordeal in Bolivia. NOTHING I have ever studied points to Che being a 'murdering monster'; rather most literature indicates the opposite. He had a great love for Humanity. Perhaps you should stay away from the comic books, Brother. :)
@TheProgressistViewer Amnesty International the most dependable source on the number of People executed in Cuba since the Revolution puts the number as less than 300. Batistas henchmen were given trials and executed because if the Revolutionary Leaders didn't do it they feared the People would take matters into their own hands and begin vigilante killings. Batista's rule WAS that BAD.
@Bejdabi Hitler died doing what he believed in to...... except his belief was fucked up, Che was a murder. do your homework before you buy another T shirt at with a "HERO" on the front
@TheLuke123c yeah you just forgot that che was killing masters of war and was doing it to bring freedom, while hitler was killing thousands of innocent people to reach his final solution which was world domination. I cant understand how the fuck you can say so much shit without having the slightest knowledge of the matter. fuckin imbecile
@action4s Errrr.....wrong. Among the 2,000 plus that Che murdered, many were innocent people that simply didnt agree with his Thuggish tactics. He is on record as also having personally executed under-aged Boys. this is confirmed by eye-witnesses. Not to mention he wrote to his Father telling him of his enjoyment in killing. You Fucking Tool
@JessieAckles This is not an insult towards Del Toro, just an observation. He seemed rather incapable of expressing a thought coherently. It would be much more insulting to say that he is a coddled hollywood twit that helps glorify a sociopathic communist mass murderer and makes capitalistic money off of it, which he is.
If CHE detected weakness or vices in anybody, for him that was a good excuse to start fantasizing about their deaths. While acting as head executioner in Cuba, he imprison under false charges, in his new concentration camps (UMAP) many thousands, and some other times, he executed "the undesirables" because he wanted to cleanse the society of the "Worms, Bourgeois, Gays and the Weak and Antisocial", to make way for the New Glorious "Cuban Revolution" and.. "The New Man of the Future"
CHE battled 3 different U.$.-backed dictators (Batista, Mobutu, Barrientos) on 3 continents (N America, Africa, S America) ... to liberate humanity. He is the epitome of bravery, fearlessness, and courage.
In the last battle, it took 1,800 rangers to defeat Che's group of 21 men.
Anyone can very easily see that Bebicio del Toro is a good actor but also a weak-minded one, and that because he is also a useful fool, he was very easily hired by the communists and Fidel Castro, to make this movie that in the end, ended up losing many millions, and in the best communist tradition of misery and failure.
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Che was a murderer of hundreds of Cubans, is a great pride for us Cubans, Che was hunted like an animal by two Cuban CIA agents and that he was terminated as a rabid animal, and crushed like a cockroach
Porque esta gran humanidad ha dicho basta y ha echado a andar. Y su marcha, de gigantes, ya no se detendrá hasta conquistar la verdadera independencia, por la que ya han muerto más de una vez inútilmente.
Me siento tan patriota de Latinoamérica, de cualquier país de Latinoamérica, como el que más y, en el momento en que fuera necesario, estaría dispuesto a entregar mi vida por la liberación de cualquiera de los países de Latinoamérica, sin pedirle nada a nadie, sin exigir nada, sin explotar a nadie.
Ronald Reagan's right-wing Contra Death squads slaughtered 70,000 in El Salvador, 100,000 in Guatemala, and 30,000 in Nicaragua. Yet teabagging morons worship the diaper wearing war criminal.
Che Guevara was a murderer, who hated the liberal artists, drug addicts and drunks.
Che hated especially the rich and famous as well as the useful idiots among them, and he would have considered Benicio del Trolo to be, a vain and weak bourgeoisie, and in this case Che, would had killed del Trolo at great personal satisfaction!
Che understood U$ imperialism - he called them out on their pillaging of the 3rd world. Che bravely stood before the U.N. and said what all the underdeveloped nations were afraid to say ...
Che was not only a fearless icon - but a prophet who warned us all about the $oul -$tealing greed of global capitali$m.
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"I have yet to find a single credible source pointing to a case where Che executed 'an innocent'. Those persons executed by Guevara or on his orders were condemned for the usual crimes punishable by death at times of war or in its aftermath: desertion, treason or crimes such as rape, torture or murder. I should add that my research spanned five years, and included anti-Castro Cubans among the Cuban-American exile community in Miami and elsewhere."
— Jon Lee Anderson, Che Researcher
4Barbudos 1 week ago
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Che is justice ... Che is righteousness ... Che is liberty ... Che is equality ... Che is fearlessness ... Che is rebellion ... Che is truth.
Che is everything noble in the human spirit. An eternal flame that burns in the hearts of millions - that flame can never be extinguished. If a heaven didn't exist before Oct 9 1967, then one would have had to be created = solely for Che Guevara.
Hasta la Victoria Siempre !!!
4Barbudos 1 week ago
he rounded up gays and kids who listened to rock music, put them in forced labor camps. how's that for heroics? He ordered the execution of more than 300,000 in three years. per capita he was worse that Stalin and Hitler. Hitler was a socialist, by the way. Not a capitalist.
dog22boy 3 weeks ago
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"I have yet to find a single credible source pointing to a case where Che executed 'an innocent'. Those persons executed by Guevara or on his orders were condemned for the usual crimes punishable by death at times of war or in its aftermath: desertion, treason or crimes such as rape, torture or murder. I should add that my research spanned five years, and included anti-Castro Cubans among the Cuban-American exile community in Miami and elsewhere."
— Jon Lee Anderson, PBS forum
4Barbudos 1 week ago
Great movies. THank you Del toro for showing our HEROE to the world. CHe is a LATIN HEROE. Whether the fucking u.s.a likes it or not, who gives a shit. Un pueblo unido, no sera vencido!!!! Patria o Muerte.
bthebest23 4 months ago
I love how people in the u.s feel superior then others.. Bunch of dumb asses!! We should continue to give them crack cocaine.. That is all they are good for. Wich is also good for our economy!!!
bthebest23 4 months ago
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Che’s radicalism was spawned from living in Guatemala during the 1953 overthrow of Jacobo Arbenz by the CIA at the behest of the United Fruit Company (those lovely capitalists who liked to kill brown Central Americans so Americans could have cheap bananas).
Che saw the brutality of U$ Imperialism up close, and gave his life in Bolivia to defeat it. Che fought 3 U.S.-backed dictators during his life (Batista, Mobutu, Barrientos).
History may not ever see such a brave man again. VIVA CHE!!
4Barbudos 5 months ago
damn he looks tired
PuffSmelly 6 months ago
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"I have yet to find a single credible source pointing to a case where Che executed 'an innocent'. Those persons executed by Guevara or on his orders were condemned for the usual crimes punishable by death at times of war or in its aftermath: desertion, treason or crimes such as rape, torture or murder. I should add that my research spanned five years, and included anti-Castro Cubans among the Cuban-American exile community in Miami and elsewhere."
— Jon Lee Anderson
4Barbudos 6 months ago
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"Che’s life is an inspiration for every human being who loves freedom, we will always honor his memory." — Nelson Mandela
"Che is not only an intellectual, he was the most complete human being of our time, our eras most perfect man." — Jean Paul Sartre
CHE:
- Worked in a Leper colony and treated lepers (as seen in the excellent film ‘The Motorcycle Diaries’)
- Removed the Mafia and dictatorship of Batista from Cuba which had killed 20,000 Cubans and tortured thousands more
4Barbudos 6 months ago
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Che’s “CRIMES” were:
~ Stopping American companies from owning 70 % of the arable land in Cuba
~ Teaching peasants to read, by bringing the Cuban literacy rate from 60 to 97 %
~ Having the 200 or so War Criminals who killed 20,000 Cubans for Batista shot against a wall
~ Fighting white mercenaries in the African Congo with an all black army
~ Speaking out against US and eventually USSR Imperialism while demanding that the poor of the world be allowed to live a life of dignity
4Barbudos 6 months ago
@Zeinouto They would have to have been rich to afford the education che was a doctor and castro was a lawyer
spacepatrolman 7 months ago
@Zeinouto If you say that Che Guevara is a mass murderer, you would have to say that the Founding Fathers and the French Revolutionaries were also mass murderers (in its negative connotation given by those opposing Che). He fought against a ruthless dictator and sent a message. "We want Freedom, now"
Were his tactics a bit brutal? Most likely. But he fought for what was right
TheRationalist76 7 months ago
@TheRationalist76 Yeah if you're a Socialist you would think that. But thats not exactly how it panned out, is it? they CLAIMED they were fighting for the Common Man. But what did they do when they got in power? Complete REJECTION of Free Speech. MURDER of those who voiced their opinions against them. Establishment of yet ANOTHER repressive Dictatorship. That sound "Right" to you? Bunch of Power hungry Hypocrites. Thats the TRUTH of who they were. And there was nothing Right about it at all
williwo 2 months ago
Yesterday's freedom fighters are today's terrorists. Che is viewed as a hero for dying when he did, but what he did and where he got would have only led to a totalitarian regime. He is no hero, he's just a man with a gun and a will.
3abcd2 7 months ago
if you believe Che did something good in this world, dont buy a Che t-shirt. Your buying into the capitalism Che did not believe in
GhostyToasty27 7 months ago 3
@GhostyToasty27 This is so true.
thestapletube2 7 months ago
If you uh uh uh, have a aa a a a a, truthfulness, do real person, ah ah ah, errr..., I am not Che, ah a a a a a, I did interpretation, best could, blah blah, errr. Ha ha ha, I can't belive Benicio del Toro is a "real actor".
bolshevik2 8 months ago
Todos los que critican al CHE me pueden chuparl el 5to forro de las pelotas, imperialistas del orto, que cada uno haga lo que quiera en vez de andar opinando mal de alguien sin siquiera informarse correctamente de lo que hizo, otarios
patoblet 8 months ago
@Theluke123c You're probably gonna' wind up doing fuck all in your life. I'm a proud communist and I'd die for it.
Fuck your history.
Bejdabi 8 months ago
fuck che fucking murderer burn in hell che and fuck you to del toro
SupremeARA915 8 months ago
@SupremeARA915 thats a good argument
action4s 8 months ago
@action4s thank ypu :p
SupremeARA915 8 months ago
what can you expect from jew communist and hispanic communist ?
BdT should move to Cuba ,and make communist propaganda movies there.
redbiter 9 months ago
I do not know English
nvipe 9 months ago
he is drug?
nvipe 10 months ago
@nvipe Lol, you mean he is on drugs...:)...he obviously is not a drug...lol
MrChutzpah2002 9 months ago
Benicio may be a great actor but he is not a bright man... :/
Elcolo9 10 months ago
@Elcolo9
Me parece un poco 'tonto' ese tio....
ganlesat 10 months ago
@Jarediki watch the whole clip dumb ass
dc8wg 11 months ago
Only a lazy, loser socialist would have a day to spend watching a movie.
dc8wg 11 months ago
@dc8wg And only a stupid imperialistic slave wouldn't have it because he's too busy serving his masters:):P
mislav76 9 months ago
Was Del Toro kicked in the nuts a few times before this interview?
levanyzzuf 1 year ago
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CHE = Hero, leader, icon, father, son, husband, rebel, soldier, writer, intellectual, doctor, politician, dentist, poet, statesman, military theorist, economist, guerrilla, teacher, diplomat, general, warrior, defender of the poor, inspirational legend, and current saint in Bolivia.
Che represents everything that the right-wingers secretly wish they were - brave, determined, dashing, charismatic, intelligent, and unshakable against impenetrable odds .....
4Barbudos 1 year ago
"DEFEND" Che??? Associated Press, you could work a better title than that. Its pretty misleading, they are just talking about the Role and the Director points out the best way to watch its going to see both movies together.
fpetrozz 1 year ago
this guy looks like an idiot or hes on drugs.
HaLfDeAdArtist 1 year ago
he looks doped n slow
seennlisten 1 year ago
mmmmmm
montrealgroups 1 year ago
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montrealgroups 1 year ago
He fought for the freedom of Cuba, without asking for anything (not petrol, like some do, when supposly looking for weapons of mass destruction that never show up)??!!! Che moved out of Cuba short time after the victory, he went to Africa, and other countries in south America, where he lived a life of misery. He never had the power or glory, while alive, he could have had.
Che was a fighter and above all, an idealist. who had the balls, none of us possess, to fight for a free and fair world!
miss89rhg 1 year ago 2
@miss89rhg very true
DJSpinoza 1 year ago
Che may have commited some atrocities, I do believe that, but calling Che a massive murderer is beyond ridiculous. That image is being sold by the US for way too long, after all, they were the ones who chased him to death. They do need an excuse, don't they? I wonder how Americans classify themselfs after Afeganistan, Iraque, Vietnam, japan...the list goes on and on. If Che is a massive murderer, then the US must have certainly blown up the scale. What then to do about you?
miss89rhg 1 year ago
Compared to totalitarian Communism, Capitalism with democracy and freedom is 100 times better. If you don't believe me go and live in Cuba, but leave your dirty Capitalist dollars in the US. You will find out in no time the "specifics" of Che's methods. Sadists murderers like Fidel and Che take power in those situations through TERROR like Hitler and like Stalin. Please don't blame the slaves for being in slavery. The Communist masters are the guilty parties.
Desdeelexilio 1 year ago
Say what you like about Che, and his ideals, but I find that wether any of us agree on his point of view and the things he was trying to do or not, he was a very interesting charachter and would make a compelling film. I would like to see this very much.
wtorruella1 1 year ago
I saw a teenager wearing the Che shirt here in Thailand. Funny, because Che put his .45 to the heads of teenage kids who were hired by Battista to carry rifles. When they readily surrendered, Che personally blew their brains out as they whimpered and begged for their lives. No jury trial. With hordes of prisoners screaming from the prison windows that they were just children. Pretty cool! You commies are so hip-cool! Stupid, anti-intellectual thugs.
FreedomJury 1 year ago
Care to see what Americans and American trained Salvadorans did to women and children in El Mazote, El Salvador during the war there?
pcassane 1 year ago 2
@FreedomJury. And I suppose capitalism is a completely humanizing force throughout the world? Communism is an end goal and desire for democracy in every sector of society only meekly glimpsed through the capitalist structures which exist. I don't know much about the specifics of Che's methods to effect revolution...though, I do have legitimate questions. How can the people take power of their situation? Do you think those controlling society would relinquish their position with weak admonition?
CompleteAbstractionZ 1 year ago
@FreedomJury
any proof?
Or is it one of Humberto fontova's revisionist rants?
MrReco12 1 year ago
El Che es libertad !
VIVA LA REVOLUCION!
desarme50 1 year ago
To all critics of Che Guevara: How is what he did any different from what William Wallace did in 10th Century Scotland, or what America did durng the War of 1812? When North Americans and Europeans fight for freedom, it is called a revolution; when South Americans and those in the Middle East do, it's called terrorism. Why can't we in North America accept the fact that we are not the only people who have the right to fight for freedom?
Jumpincloud 1 year ago
@Jumpincloud Agreed. I'm not a huge fan of Che myself, and some of things he did are pretty reprehensible, but if we were to only focus on the negative legacy of people, humanity would have no heroes or figures to draw inspiration from. Should we ignore the atrocities Che committed? Definitely not, but I feel Che's conflicting legacies make him a more compelling, and ultimately more human and real individual, not less. If you looked at most of the US's heroes, they are just a gray shaded.
IneptTroopr 1 year ago
@IneptTroopr "I'm not a huge fan of Che myself, and some of things he did are pretty reprehensible"....why because he pulled the trigger himself when he had to take life . Are you suggesting giving the go ahead for a cluster bomb attack killing 35 women and children in Yemen is somewho less reprehensible because Obama is sitting in an office when he does it, what about predator drone attacks on villages in Pakistan. Is killing okay when those who do it carry it out remotely?
DJSpinoza 1 year ago
@DJSpinoza I'm not defending the so-called "War on Terror", and the atrocities committed by it; quite the opposite in fact, I think that what the US is doing in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Yemen amounts to the greatest evil in our time. On the other hand, I'm not a pacifist, and do recognize the necessity of revolutionary violence at times, and when it com es down to it, I'm on the side of the oppressed. However, that doesn't forgive the mass executions or camps that Che oversaw either.
IneptTroopr 1 year ago
@IneptTroopr You make a fair point, I think Che was an obsessive character and very often in their ideological zeal they cross a line that should not be crossed and when that happens there is no going back. I've read some passages from Hitler where he talks about the anger he feels for the oppressed, they could have been Che's words. It's so common the liberator of the poor and oppressed becomes their dictator. Stalin started out training to be a priest, Che a doctor as you know.
DJSpinoza 1 year ago
@DJSpinoza For example, do I oppose the US in of Afghanistan? Absolutely. Does that mean I support the Taliban, and its brutal means of enforcing its own twisted version of Islam upon the Afghans? Definitely not.
I'm not trying to compare Che with the Taliban, but I'm just making a point that sometimes the world isn't as simple as good vs. evil, or imperialist vs. oppressed. Overall I think Che represented some of the best qualities of humanity, but he committed some of the worst as well.
IneptTroopr 1 year ago
@Jumpincloud
Sure - All Socialist are freedom fighters, Hitler was, Stalin and Mau too.
Turns out that all those suckers killed milions of Human beings. Hitler - between 11 and 17 milion, Stain 20 milion and Mau - 70 milion people.
Unfortunately Socialists like Marx and Engels claimed that some people are to far behind to bring them up to the revolutionary level and they have to be killed in so called "Revolutionary Holocaust".
lookup this: Why killing is essential to communism on YouTube
polonophobia 1 year ago
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Jumpincloud 1 year ago
@polonophobia And capitalists/imperialists haven't? Look at the man Che was fighting: Fulgencio Batista, a fellow who used just as much brutality and oppression as Hitler, Stalin and Mau. Guess what? IMPERIALIST. Either way, it's irrelevant; I'm not saying socialists are the only freedom fighters, and I'm not even arguing that socialists don't kill people. All I am saying is, what's worth fighting for? To even try and compare freedom fighting to genocide and oppression just shows your ignorance.
Jumpincloud 1 year ago
@polonophobia
You idiot.
You are beleving trash from the soviet story! A film that even JEWISH GROUPS said was a load of trash!
Hitler was a capitalist fascist who was ANTI MARXIST!
Indeed, he saw himself as the defender of Europe against Marxism!
The welathy buisness man Albert Krupp said Hitler was the best man to protect capitalism from Marxism!
Che only executed murderers!
MrReco12 1 year ago
@MrReco12 That is FALSE. He also executed Innocent people who spoke out against the Castro Regime, as well as under-aged Boys. He had a CONCENTRATION Camp. Hes not called the "Butcher of La Cabana" for no reason. Also, how the HELL was Hitler a Capitalist when he was opposed to the Private Sector? He believed in COMPLETE Government control. He was National Socialist...thats not Capitalism. National Socialism is opposed to both Communism and Capitalism. Its a FORM of Socialism, not Capitalism
williwo 2 months ago
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@williwo "I have yet to find a single credible source pointing to a case where Che executed 'an innocent'. Those persons executed by Guevara or on his orders were condemned for the usual crimes punishable by death at times of war or in its aftermath: desertion, treason or crimes such as rape, torture or murder. I should add that my research spanned five years, and included anti-Castro Cubans among the Cuban-American exile community in Miami and elsewhere."
— Jon Lee Anderson, Che Biographer
4Barbudos 1 week ago
che - the greatest t-shirt salesman in the world
im sure he'd be delighted to see rich kids wearing his t-shirts along with child-made malesian pair of Nike's .....
czakoo 1 year ago 37
@czakoo
Yep - he would kill them all.
There is a name for them: "Useful idiots".
Let me remind you in what circumstances was this name given and to whom.
It was George Bernard Shaw when he testified that the gossip of Soviets allegedly killing Ukrainians is an aggressive anti-socialist propaganda. The west had believed him and thanks to that uncle Stalin could kill 7 million Ukrainian men, women and children in space of just one winter.
Useful idiots - the world is full of them even today.
polonophobia 1 year ago
@czakoo Disgusting isn't it? Incredible how Western media can turn someone into the opposite of what they stood for.
babyduck1 1 year ago
@czakoo Che didn't stand to sell t-shirts, people just took a artistic image, and put it on the shirt.
Alright, hurry up tell me why people where shirts with logo's on them?
Exactly people like wearing designs that are artistic, wearing the mona lisa doesn't mean you know why DaVinvi, painted it.
So basically people shouldn't wear colors like red without knowing everything about communism?
He is just a image now, some remember him, some just like the look.
ZlapEx 1 year ago
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flyingmachine87 7 months ago
@czakoo he'd also be delighted to see how you spell malesian
flyingmachine87 7 months ago
@czakoo Many of those rich kids that wear his t-shirt are sons/daughters of the people that Che was opposing. Although i could be categorized as a "rich white kid", i understand Che's goal and his fight for freedom. I do not condone the actions of Capitalists and would stand by Che's side any day of the week. I don't wear Che's shirt because the kids that wear his shirt don't understand his cause, or even know who he truly was.
"shoot, coward, you are only going to kill a man"
TheRationalist76 7 months ago
@TheRationalist76 You are a Cocksucker and should be ashamed. I guess you never read about the 14 year old boy who openly defied Che to his face, and refused to get on his knees when Che asked him to, telling Che he would have to kill him while he was standing. Che was a fucking son of a bitch, thug murderer. You dont condone the actions of Capitalists? Where is your outcry against the Lenins, Maos, and Ches of the world?? Shame on YOU! SHAME!!
williwo 2 months ago
@czakoo His life was one big fuck up wasn't it? :)
AmericanBadass44 5 months ago
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BluCosmos 2 weeks ago
@mrana121
USA governments controling poor countries governments (like Batista), use them to exploit their labor for cheaper production. And with that wealth, they create mindless consumers in America etc., blinded them with liberal politics to avoid them thinkin with social consciousness and rebel against USA's tyranny. So no matter what you tell them, they wont see what Che fought for. They dont know true meaning of equality, justice and freedom. Cause they never lost it, never get exploited.
Atalay 1 year ago
"Che" was one of the biggest box office bombs of all time. Americans had better things to do than suffer through this dreadful cinematic stool sample. Here in the land of the free we don't think much of Hollywood's favorite terrorist or the brutal dictatorship that he helped create. Che died again,this time at the box office.
waltswife1 1 year ago
Any American who values their own War for Independence should educate themselves before condemning the Cuban Revolution. Cuba is one of the few places in Central and South America that has freed itself from Corporate exploitation and endeavors to see that all its People live in dignity and free from abject and humiliating squalor. Yet still ALL have basic healthcare, education and a roof over their heads. It's poverty comes from the Yanqui blockade and not the 'failure of Socialism.'
SkinSinFilms 1 year ago
@SkinSinFilms
You're right, if the god-damn US goverment would lift the embargo, maybe Cuba would have the means to grow it's economy. The only thing that keeps Cuba running now is The People's Republic of China, and some other socialist states. Funny how, when Katrina hit New Orleans, the Cuban help and volunteers were the first there to lend a hand. This shows that Cuba does not revenge on the people for the mistakes of their leaders. God-damn imperialist ass-wipes...
mrana121 1 year ago
@mrana121 What about Cuba and New Orleans?Quit saying these lies
JanieManie23 1 year ago
@mrana121 You know what was nice about visting Berlin in 08 as opposed to 74, 88 when I was there? Your "ilk" is gone. There's actual color and life there.
PeterMayer 1 year ago
@SkinSinFilms Here in America we have elections,a free press and a second amendment. Castro's Cuba has none of the above.
waltswife1 1 year ago
@waltswife1
There in America you have 1/3 of the population living in miserable conditions, while the other 2/3 lives on the back of that 1/3. Your "great America" would be nothing compared to Cuba, if those filthy officials of your would lift the god-damn embargo. Who was the first to help when Katrina hit New Orleans ? IT WAS FUCKING CUBA ASSHOLE ! I PISS ON THAT IMAGINARY FREEDOM YOU THINK YOU HAVE ! THE WHOLE FUCKIN' FBI KNOWS WHEN YOU'RE JACKIN' OFF TO PORN, YOU GOON !
mrana121 1 year ago
@mrana121 Cuba doesn't have freedom of speech you cannot openly criticize the government, that's not what Che believed in, but he is dead and Cuba is a bad country and did not realize his vision. Plus America has freedom, period.
icekingmonkey 1 year ago
@icekingmonkey YES !
AMERICA HAS FREEDOM !
America has C.I.A. performing LSD mind-control experiments on the population. Of course, only the poor take part in it, the rich don't. America has Patriot Act. Congrats, if the president thinks your granny is a terrorist, then it's jailtime for her. America has 1/3 of the population living in very bad conditions. America has FBI, and FBI is watchin' you jack off. America has the shallowest culture in the world...and the shittiest...have a nice day.
mrana121 1 year ago
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Atalay 1 year ago
@mrana121 wow you know very little about America.We do not have mind control expierments on the population.And the president did not think a granny was a terrorist(george bush might have)1/3 of the population is not in bad living conditions.They don't watch people jack off(pretty gross)We are not shallow either and not the shittiest.You need to stop listening to stereotypes and stereotyping Americans.
JanieManie23 1 year ago
@mrana121 ...this coming from someone who probably thinks that Ceausescu was a great leader...get a clue...
PeterMayer 1 year ago
@mrana121 Cuba has its residents fleeing and their stupid ruler refuses to let people leave or come in.Get YOUR facts straight.
JanieManie23 1 year ago
@JanieManie23 Did you know that you can't visit Cuba-your government doesn't let you-,?...
francis8656 1 year ago
@francis8656 Did you know I can. But Cuba's government won't allow me, plus I don't want to go there, so tha doesn't matter to me.
JanieManie23 1 year ago
@JanieManie23 Yeah right...
francis8656 1 year ago
@francis8656 My friend and her church went there recently to go build houses.
JanieManie23 1 year ago
You guys are morons, che was a murder flat out!!!!!!!! READ PEOPLE READ---This is like celebrating Hitlers life.
blacksheepotano 1 year ago
@blacksheepotano Look at the group of people hitler killed and the group of people Che killed, if it doesn't make a difference to you, then why should you celebrate Gorge Washington's birthday?
Sasuk3xxx 1 year ago
this guy is a great actor but he can't get a fucking word out to formulate a sentence
mcshobe2008 1 year ago
Defend Che from what? From the bastards that assassinated this lager than life man? There are only two types of ppl. Those that knows about Che and loves dearly what he stood for and those that dislikes him because of propaganda like the on used in Bolivia by the CIA to capture him.
RASyared 1 year ago
it's a movie. relax.
BillyChaka 1 year ago 2
I agree with Kage TRauma becuz he is right, i mean Che did murder people but its nothing compared to what America does to the 3rd world countries
defiant1125 1 year ago
@defiant1125 i would have to say thank you for what you said. A lot of people take their time to insult Che guevara and socialists/communists, but dont mention the fact that they're living in a Capitalist Imperialist country which is the U.S. You can call Che a murderer, but the real murderers are the U.S government. It's like the U.S is the invisible guy.
sebslop 1 year ago
@defiant1125 u foolish bag of douche
udiescummy 1 year ago
@VictorPajeron WTF? that makes no sense.jajajajaj <<<<dude seriously you sound like a 1st grader.
JanieManie23 1 year ago
People call Che a murderer just because he fought Fire with Fire. That is all.
KageTrauma 1 year ago
@KageTrauma Look it up why he killed people.
JanieManie23 1 year ago
@JanieManie23 Yeah I know that's what I was saying man. He killed people in self defense. I mean if someone were to invade America, people would fight back right? Well it's time for Americans to think like that, because all this "Che is a murderer" is bullshit. Whenever someone fights back they're vilified.
KageTrauma 1 year ago
@KageTrauma yea and he killed many innocent people.When you fight back, for any reason. innocent people get killed.
JanieManie23 1 year ago
@JanieManie23 Don't act as if he MURDERED those innocent people, and do not act as if he is alive and well today MURDERING people. I'm sorry for the Innocents lives lost but that is War. It isn't like Che came here and called America the Pearls of Antielles, and started trying to take our natural resources.
KageTrauma 1 year ago
@KageTrauma did i say that? no i didn't. I said he did murder innocent people.
JanieManie23 1 year ago
@JanieManie23 Who caused the event that led to the death of innocents?
KageTrauma 1 year ago
@KageTrauma whya re u asking me this.all i said was che did kill innocent people.
JanieManie23 1 year ago
Alright alright, but truly Janie, think about the implications being made when you say that.
KageTrauma 1 year ago
@KageTrauma i really dont know what u mean by that.
JanieManie23 1 year ago
@JanieManie23 That's life. Those innocent people were, as Che, a product of history. He did what is almost the most remarkable thing one can do, he died for what he and many others beleived in. Period.
Bejdabi 1 year ago 17
@Bejdabi Che is not innocent in many eyes. He killed innocent people, because they thought differently than him.
JanieManie23 1 year ago
@JanieManie23 Yeah, those were pretty hectic days, indeed. Ask yourself what would've happend if he wouldn't have done as he did. I don't defend the way Cuba is run today, because to be honest the Communist-party in Cuba doesn't really forfill their promise to the people, espacially not to the lowest class. But the way they overthrew the government, I beleive, was the right thing to do.
Bejdabi 1 year ago
@Bejdabi They overthrew a bad government and replaced it with a bad one.Cubans need to learn more about politics and know what is right and wrong.
JanieManie23 1 year ago
@Bejdabi Ya so did the 12 highjackers and Hitler. To die for something you believe in does not make you remarkable. He was a murderer. Period. Stop trying to rewrite History. Fucking lefties
TheProgressistViewer 1 year ago
@TheProgressistViewer Hitler was, in some sense, remarkable for what he did. It just doesn't fit with our values (at least not mine). And you know what. Yes, Che was a murderer. According to your lawbook and I guess some of your moral, yes, he was a murderer. And you are free to think so. But there are some people who doesn't think that he was a murderer for killing those persons. Killing a high elite, and people supporting them, and doing so for the oppressed can actually seem pretty heroic.
Bejdabi 1 year ago
@Bejdabi Not according to some of my morals... according to morality yes he was a sick man, a sociopath and a sadist, the people who think that ''judicial evidence are an archaic bourgeois detail'' is ok have ammoral beliefs, ppl who think it was fair game for che to kill a 12 year old boy in cold blood are sick. There is nothing heroic in killing entrepreneurs, professionals and democrats, there is nothing good in the negation of liberty.
TheProgressistViewer 1 year ago
@TheProgressistViewer
Not one true communist has ever negated liberty, especially Che Guevara. Where the hell did you take that part with the 12 year old from ? Ronald Reagan's Lie Compendium ? I am almost sick of your "democrats" and "entrepreneurs". They are just imperialist scum, who see only what they want to see, and do only what they want to do, especially if it brings them money. I am sick and tired of people stealing legally, and lives being weighted in money.
mrana121 1 year ago
@mrana121 Stealing legally? You mean like the government? Here is a quote from Che : ''The negroe is lazy and indolent, and spends all his money on booze and frivolities, whereas the european is intelligent and fowardlooking''. He was a racist, a murderer, a stalinist, a sadist, a tortitioner and worse he was a commie scumbag. And yes he did shoot a 12 year old boy in the head. Well known fact.
TheProgressistViewer 1 year ago
@TheProgressistViewer
Well known fact ? That's how you call capitalist shit propaganda ? Well known facts ? Let's be serious here, Che wrote his diaries long before he became a revolutionaire, and I think he is well entitled to the right to make mistakes. Long before he became a true Marxist, he said those things, and let's stop for a second and think about that period of the time, and just figure out yourself that while in a society, he must have been influenced somehow.
mrana121 1 year ago
@TheProgressistViewer
I do not praise Che for what he was at one point in time. I praise Che for being the man capable of bringing change, to himself and to others around him. Also, don't forget, his bodyguard was black. Pombo, google-it...
And on top of that, add the argument that he went to Congo and fought with an army of black people at his side. Where's the racism in there ? Imperialist dumbass...
mrana121 1 year ago
@mrana121 Not all change is good. The racism is in the quote I just gave you. Imperialist? You people still use that word? Its kinda old.
TheProgressistViewer 1 year ago
@mrana121 Rock and roll was banned, young cubans who listened to it trowh in labor camps, so where gays. He executed without trial, overshaw torture at la cabana. jailed ppl who voiced contrary opinions. He was a fucking monster.
TheProgressistViewer 1 year ago
@TheProgressistViewer
Yeah, and you have an icon with Ronald Reagan on your eastern wall, to whom you pray every night before sleep. Get a grip, stop reading bullshit "Red Scare" propaganda, and start reading "the other side's" story too. And yeah, "we" still use that word because it's pretty up to date. If you would have known what it meant, you would probably know why we still use it. And yeah, it isn't imperialist propaganda, it's just capitalist propaganda.
mrana121 1 year ago
@mrana121 Ronald Reagan? What are you talking about? I'm a libertarian not a conservative. When did I say something about Reagan? I read objective history books. Che was a monster. Period.
TheProgressistViewer 1 year ago
@TheProgressistViewer
Ronald Reagan ? Red Scare ? I don't care with whom you side I care that it's just capitalism and I don't like it. Objective history books ? Since when are capitalist books objective ? I don't say that Marxist ones are 100%, but I trust them more than the ones written by "the free capitalists" because I deduced that those are just presenting "facts" as they want to. Che was a monster ? Then why are there songs about him ? Why movies ? Why books ? Why so many friends ?
mrana121 1 year ago
@mrana121 Millions of Americans celebrated freedom on the 4th of July. "Che" played to empty theaters.Do you feel like a loser? It's because you are one!!!
waltswife1 1 year ago
@TheProgressistViewer Funny I'm a Phi Beta Scholar of Non-Western History and have read much about Che and the Cuban Revolution and the ordeal in Bolivia. NOTHING I have ever studied points to Che being a 'murdering monster'; rather most literature indicates the opposite. He had a great love for Humanity. Perhaps you should stay away from the comic books, Brother. :)
SkinSinFilms 1 year ago
@mrana121 Where do you get your information? The losers at "Worker'sWorld" or the left wing Hollywood half-wits?
waltswife1 1 year ago
@waltswife1
I get my fuckin' information from actually reading, goonhole. Not from Red Scare propaganda like you do.
mrana121 1 year ago
@waltswife1
Dude...I just realised...
You're a fuckin' troll...
WHAT A FUCKIN' NEWFAG !
mrana121 1 year ago
@TheProgressistViewer Amnesty International the most dependable source on the number of People executed in Cuba since the Revolution puts the number as less than 300. Batistas henchmen were given trials and executed because if the Revolutionary Leaders didn't do it they feared the People would take matters into their own hands and begin vigilante killings. Batista's rule WAS that BAD.
SkinSinFilms 1 year ago
@Bejdabi Hitler died doing what he believed in to...... except his belief was fucked up, Che was a murder. do your homework before you buy another T shirt at with a "HERO" on the front
TheLuke123c 8 months ago
@TheLuke123c yeah you just forgot that che was killing masters of war and was doing it to bring freedom, while hitler was killing thousands of innocent people to reach his final solution which was world domination. I cant understand how the fuck you can say so much shit without having the slightest knowledge of the matter. fuckin imbecile
action4s 8 months ago 17
@action4s Cuba isn't exactly free. They just removed one dictatorship to put into place another one.
Apathesis0 6 months ago
@action4s finally somebody shuts the dumbasses up!
alia301 5 months ago
@action4s Errrr.....wrong. Among the 2,000 plus that Che murdered, many were innocent people that simply didnt agree with his Thuggish tactics. He is on record as also having personally executed under-aged Boys. this is confirmed by eye-witnesses. Not to mention he wrote to his Father telling him of his enjoyment in killing. You Fucking Tool
williwo 2 months ago
@VictorPajeron no thanks fag.i prefer real men, not boys.
JessieAckles 1 year ago
Whoa...Del Toro was either high or drunk as heck in this interview.
TruthWielder 1 year ago
@TruthWielder he was neither, you on the other hand i don't know.
JessieAckles 1 year ago
@JessieAckles This is not an insult towards Del Toro, just an observation. He seemed rather incapable of expressing a thought coherently. It would be much more insulting to say that he is a coddled hollywood twit that helps glorify a sociopathic communist mass murderer and makes capitalistic money off of it, which he is.
TruthWielder 1 year ago
@TruthWielder Duh he is making money all actors and actresses when they make a movie.He isnt glorifying anything.
JessieAckles 1 year ago
@JessieAckles And yes
JanieManie23 1 year ago
@JessieAckles And yes che was a murderer and many people fail to see that.
JanieManie23 1 year ago
@VictorPajeron whos acting a asshole?you.You dont know Benicio and I am sure he will never want to meet you.
JessieAckles 1 year ago
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che was a killer and this two stupids are just cunts
jerry59525 1 year ago
@VictorPajeron Last time I checked he is till acting and making movies.
JessieAckles 1 year ago
If CHE detected weakness or vices in anybody, for him that was a good excuse to start fantasizing about their deaths. While acting as head executioner in Cuba, he imprison under false charges, in his new concentration camps (UMAP) many thousands, and some other times, he executed "the undesirables" because he wanted to cleanse the society of the "Worms, Bourgeois, Gays and the Weak and Antisocial", to make way for the New Glorious "Cuban Revolution" and.. "The New Man of the Future"
ElMataCHE 1 year ago 2
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CHE battled 3 different U.$.-backed dictators (Batista, Mobutu, Barrientos) on 3 continents (N America, Africa, S America) ... to liberate humanity. He is the epitome of bravery, fearlessness, and courage.
In the last battle, it took 1,800 rangers to defeat Che's group of 21 men.
4Barbudos 1 year ago
Anyone can very easily see that Bebicio del Toro is a good actor but also a weak-minded one, and that because he is also a useful fool, he was very easily hired by the communists and Fidel Castro, to make this movie that in the end, ended up losing many millions, and in the best communist tradition of misery and failure.
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ElMataCHE 1 year ago
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rosana1150 1 year ago
@ElMataCHE he wasnt hired by communists or Fidel.
JessieAckles 1 year ago
Che was a hero in his time for the people of Cuba, not for american cubans!
Vin4enco 1 year ago
wow i dident knew that version of him !!!
battaglibbb 1 year ago
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Che was a murderer of hundreds of Cubans, is a great pride for us Cubans, Che was hunted like an animal by two Cuban CIA agents and that he was terminated as a rabid animal, and crushed like a cockroach
MataChess 1 year ago
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Porque esta gran humanidad ha dicho basta y ha echado a andar. Y su marcha, de gigantes, ya no se detendrá hasta conquistar la verdadera independencia, por la que ya han muerto más de una vez inútilmente.
rosana1150 1 year ago
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Me siento tan patriota de Latinoamérica, de cualquier país de Latinoamérica, como el que más y, en el momento en que fuera necesario, estaría dispuesto a entregar mi vida por la liberación de cualquiera de los países de Latinoamérica, sin pedirle nada a nadie, sin exigir nada, sin explotar a nadie.
rosana1150 1 year ago
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Déjeme decirle, a riesgo de parecer ridículo, que el revolucionario verdadero está guiado por grandes sentimientos de amor..
Fuente: El Socialismo y el hombre en Cuba, del 12 de marzo 1965.
rosana1150 1 year ago
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Ronald Reagan's right-wing Contra Death squads slaughtered 70,000 in El Salvador, 100,000 in Guatemala, and 30,000 in Nicaragua. Yet teabagging morons worship the diaper wearing war criminal.
CHE = HERO ... end of story.
4Barbudos 1 year ago
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Che Guevara was a murderer, who hated the liberal artists, drug addicts and drunks.
Che hated especially the rich and famous as well as the useful idiots among them, and he would have considered Benicio del Trolo to be, a vain and weak bourgeoisie, and in this case Che, would had killed del Trolo at great personal satisfaction!
TrolyRosy 1 year ago 4
@TrolyRosy well che is dead now.
JessieAckles 1 year ago
Ok!, And that's some Gooddd Shiiitttt.. Yeaaa!!
TrolyRosy 1 year ago
@TrolyRosy you make no sense, troll.Nice fake pic u have.
JessieAckles 1 year ago
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rosana1150 1 year ago
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rosana1150 1 year ago
A hungover Idiot, and useful fool
ElMataCHE 1 year ago
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rosana1150 1 year ago
@ElMataCHE u mean u right?
JanieManie23 1 year ago
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Che understood U$ imperialism - he called them out on their pillaging of the 3rd world. Che bravely stood before the U.N. and said what all the underdeveloped nations were afraid to say ...
Che was not only a fearless icon - but a prophet who warned us all about the $oul -$tealing greed of global capitali$m.
Che's warnings are more relevant now than ever.
4Barbudos 1 year ago
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Che was the hispanic Talaban
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bboyhoc12 1 year ago
Saddam Hussein had wives and kids, and yet he murdered like there was no tomorrow. Try again retard.
zegermandude 1 year ago
American soldiers have kids, yet they've killed and keep on killing women and children trough out the wars for many years now!
Vin4enco 1 year ago