@jacker372 The problem is that shotguns are still a pain in the ass when it comes to airsoft. A brand would have to chose to use gas shells to actually take advantage of the dual tube. And we all know the issues with gas shells... It would be either proprietary, or use shells from other brand. And you would need something to catch the shells or pick them up from the ground after the game.
@bf2lover42 well instead of haveing it made to hold 15 shell it should hold 2 and then when you run out of ammo with one you have the other you can switch to that way you can reload but still have the ability to shoot
Not the time to buy it...not now.The "dead trigger" issue when cycling quickly should have been corrected before LE had to tell them "get it right" and ship the first batch back to the factory.Yeah...it has been fixed...but for how many days of use?? Never buy a Gen1 gun when the company wants to public to get the "field bugs" out for them.The gun is Trekkie but too pricey for the name it carries.Get a couple MB 500 and spend the rest on amo,strobe lite,etc.It's a better play...imho.Good luck
@tomjjackson21 Yeah, I agree, almost $900 is pretty steep for what you're getting. Granted you get high capacity, but you could purchase three (3) Mossberg 500 Persuaders for that money.
.altho they could still later re-classify the gun as "destructive device",thus requiring class 3 license..tis what they did back when with the street sweeper 12 gauges ...and then want to take them back off of folks who bought them legally..
@RLGBABY First you done need a class III license to own NFA weapons. Next they cant just recalssify it as it does not meet the requierments for a shot barrel shotgun. mag size has not a thing do with it being NFA. The reason the streetsweeper was banned was becasue it was an import and the ATF found it to have no sporting value
@swatcapt11 But they could reclassify it as a Destructive Device just as they did with the Street Sweeper shotgun. It was originally a title 1 weapon until the ATF reclassified it causing it to be registered with the NFA Act. PS the Street Sweeper was made by Cobray in North Dakota in the US.
He said legal..it certainly is legal at this point,and barrel length of 18 and 1/2 inches is minimal length allowed for civilian use-anything less is considered a "sawed off shotgun" if in civilian posession.I dont doubt it will get banned fairly quickly,but it will require either new legislation or the re-enacting of Klinton's assault weapon ban..Get em while you can,I say..
do you know if theyre will be one available with a longer barrel and magazine tubes because its so short and someone of my size that quite awkward and id like to have one because overall its an extremely nice shotgun, nice vid to?
do you know if theyre will be one available with a longer barrel and magazine tubes because its so short and someone of my size that quite awkward and id like to have one because overall its an extremely nice shotgun, nice vid to.
A person looking for a shotgun isn't looking for an AR-15, now are they? So the pricing is irrelevant. And where are these regular pump shotgun that have 15 rounds? Exactly. You've never owned a Kel-Tec and clearly don't know jack shit about them, but nonetheless search for anything with Kel-Tec in the title here on Youtube to spout misinformation. But pointing this out is none of my business...
Kel-tec is crap, 744.99 for a peice of plastic??? they are charging you about the same price as a AR-15, and about 3 times as much for a regular pump shotgun that will do the same trick! but thats none of my business, obviously.
@TJ347 if you need 15 rounds with a shotgun to kill somebody then you are obviously doing something wrong, because its really hard to miss with a shotgun, at close range.
@stangsaleens7 It's not about need, it's about want. If someone wants a 15 round shotgun, this joins a very small list of such shotguns. May I suggest you take your know-it-all act to a VPC video where your comments will be appreciated, as I'm sure neither those who posted this vid nor people who have factual knowledge of Kel-Tec products or firearms in general appreciate your act.
@brianmenendez dont get me wrong, the idea is great. But the price, and company that makes them, just turns me away. Kel-tec is a low end gun company, and for 744.99 i could get 2 shotguns for that price. the likely hood of you having to kill 15 people for defense, is very unlikely unless your a serial killer.
@stangsaleens7 Kel-tec is actually a very good gun company and makes a lot of great products. The PF-9, just as an example, is one of the best guns for concealed carry, in my opinion, easily on par with Kahr. Granted I do agree on the price issue, 750 is pretty extreme. For 500 or 550 I'd think about it, but even then a Remington 870 is still only about 350. But I guess if it's something someone's really in to, it'd be worth the extra cost.
Its coming out they say in the third quarter meaning around mid to late september. I think the fail issue is pre-production and i think the gun will rock when it hits the streets.
@TheSniper6000 wanta bet it will be sold out like 99.99% of kel-tec's most popular items ....you have to wait another 3 years to get one used if ya can find it at a gun show lol
@TheAlexagius Actually you would have to pay a $200 tax in order for it to be legal....then yes, it would be legal to have a short barrel shotgun..same for a rifle. This is one reason the Taurus Judge has grooving; not just to shoot .45 long colts but also to get past the sbs law.
keltec if your listening...make it cheaper than the saiga 12 offer backstraps for the grip make a 3"chamber longer model with the same capacity maybe a phosphate finish and internals just suggestions im buying one anyway and praying i never have to shoot someone that nasty thing in a court room garrantee's sum jailtime
damn... imagine how badass this thing would be akimbo! but then again they would need to make it semi auto cus obviously u cant pump it if ur carrying another gun.
Slug to shot wouldn't be as likely to be used as lethal to non-lethal, I would love to be able to keep 7 beanbags in one side just so I dont have to kill somebody to defend if I choose not to. Awesome innovation.
@jackpot5283 The irony is if you decided to use the beanbags in self-defense you'd be likely up for attempted murder, whereas if you had just killed the assailaint outright with the shot or slug it'd be much easier to prove it was self defense.
Most states have retreating laws, which state that if you have any opportunity to disable your assailant it also means you had time to run away and avoid conflict, whereas using lethal force indicates it was the absolute last resort. Fucked up laws.
@cyberslick18 Fortunately my state has CCW and Castle Doctrine (which a majority of states use, many of which just adopted it) which states as long as you are in your property or a family members property, you have no duty to retreat. Some states have criminal protection laws that make lethal defense illegal, I'm not positive what effect a less-lethal round would have since legal terminology is literal more often than not. Additionally many CCW courses teach to shoot to kill for multiple reasons
@jackpot5283 37 states have one form or another of Castle Doctrine. Be careful of TV and movies as many of them spew brady campaign propoganda so people think there are more gun laws than there actually are. Gun registration for example, movies and TV like to talk about registered firearms because it fills the storyline well. Many states do not keep gun registries and there is no federal registry. ( I don't think you necessarily get your info from TV but many people do.
@jackpot5283 I understand what you mean, but unfortunately I know the laws in my county and state all too well, I had a break in when i was sleeping over at a friends place, and between talking to the police investigator and doing my own research, I got a wake up call as to what actually happens legally when that occurs.
An interesting fact I learn was that even though .223 penetrates considerably more than most shot, it's much less lethal overall due to impact fragmentation. I'm using #4 atm
@cyberslick18 If you live in the city/suburbs and prefer the rifle I suggest looking into Varmint Grenades and other frangible ammunition for the long gun, when it hits something it shatters into powder depositing 100% of the kinetic energy into the target or wall. It was developed to make it safe for police/military to enter multiple points without shooting through walls and hitting each other. Plus the ballistic results on tissue are devastating .And the Varmint grenades are known for accuracy
@cyberslick18 Also for home defense I recommend #4 or #2 shot High Brass 2 3/4" or 3" Magnum. Anything smaller and it lacks critical penetration (not saying it won't disable an attacker but there are certain ballistic characteristics that can make a round inneffective) and anything bigger than #2 shot increases your odds of overpenetration and puts other household members or neighbors at risk of becoming collateral damage.
@iLikeToitools are you aware of how physics work? a 15 round 12 guage "clip" would be huge and bulky the tubular method is a proven effective magazine style for a shotgun
@footbalr074 Like the one that's been used on the much more effective Saiga 12 since the cold war? The drum magazine is a far more reliable design than the dual tube system.
And yes, as a PE, I am very aware of how physics works. I am also aware that the more complex the design, the more likely it is that something will go wrong.
@iLikeToitools Ha did you learn everything you know about firearms from cod, theres more to a gun then how many shells its "clip" holds and how uber badass and reliable an ak style weapon is. A drum maganze or a 15 single stacked mazine is clumsy and blulky. A Saiga is a proven fire arm but it pales in comparsion to the reputation of the Remington, Mossberg, Ithacas, Bennellis, Winchesters and many more who all use tube style magazines. I would trust my life to firearms from those manufactures
@iLikeToitools rather then a keltec shotgun or Saiga. I've never fired a keltec or saiga shotgun, but i would bet this keltec is more relaible with a wider amount of loads then a Saiga shotgun assuming it was shot by a competant shooter but I wouldn't say that would be due to the magazine but rather the action. And you missed the whole point of bulk, and its a shotgun is 15 rounds needed? no is it nice? yes. Do you know whats even nicer? the ability to switch between slugs and shot
@footbalr074 You would trust your life to an Ithaca, Benelli or Kel-Tec. You are one brave, brave man(or woman). You do realize that the entire creation of the Saiga 12 was to replace tubed semi-automatic shotguns because they were notoriously UNRELIABLE right? Most of the shotguns you are referencing are pumps, a completely different ballgame (pumps aren't used anywhere outside of the occasional police force or as a "show" sidearm).
There is also almost no military application requiring slugs.
@footbalr074 Keltecs are also notoriously unreliable as a company. These advanced designs look great, very rarely function well. They are a solution to a problem no one had.
Simply put, the saiga-12 is without a doubt the worlds most reliable, combat proven semi-automatic shotgun. It doesn't jam, it can fire wet and dirty, it's not picky as to what kind of brass you run through it (can't say that about mossberg and benelli). A stacked 12 round mag is no more clumsy than any on a rifle.
@cyberslick18 I can't comment on Keltecs I've never owned one Where has the Saiga-12 seen combat ? Georgia is the only place I can think of. But this shotgun does indeed solve the problem about quickly changing from slug to shot.
I would defiantly doubt the Saiga-12 the most reliable semi-auto shotgun, but either way it is not as reliable as many pump action shotguns out there. And Saigas are notorius for not feeding low brass.
@cyberslick18 I've your talking about mossberg semi-auto shotguns not feeding everything you put in it then I wouldn't know but I've seen abused pump mossbergs fire everything you throw through it. I've also seen semi-auto benellis do the same.
If its home defense I would reach for my pump action because I know it will feed anything i put in it as long as I do my part
If your in the military and always have high brass I would want a rifle with my shotgun, and I wouldnt mind as much
@footbalr074 Any pump shottie will be reliable, I'm talking exclusively about semi-auto shotguns with a military / police purpose, not sporting guns like most Benelli's. The saiga 12 has been used extensivly by Spetnaz since 1992 and a decent number of russian police sqauds. It's slowly being adopted in the us because it's the best semi automatic combat shotgun in existence when everything is taken into consideration.
I own two Saiga's and I've never had anything jam out of thousands of shells.
@footbalr074 I was trying to be polite and counter your points, but you saying the saiga-12 is notorious for not feeding low brass is a downright lie. Look at the design, if there were any snags in the system it would literally be anywhere but the feeding and ejecting process. You can harp all you want about the AK design being over-hyped, it isn't. It's the most reliable design out there.
Like I said, there is no situation in military / police scenarios where you need both shot and slug.
@cyberslick18 You havent looked at the Benelli M4 Which in my experience as a Marine is even more reliable. The only up side to the Saiga-12 is that its Magazine fed, which makes for quick reloading. But if you have to fire more than 2-3 12GA your probably in trouble. The ARGO system (auto Regulating Gas Operated) in the M4 makes it recoil like a 20GA (or less) with max effective range on 00Buck at 50 yrds.
@antne07 Why would the saiga have any problems firing more than 2-3 12ga? The benelli m4 is a great gun but its more prone to jamming than a Saiga, and the fact that its tube fed instantly negates it for anything other than an intimidating presence or a quick room clear for something like a SWAT operation. The saiga-12 simply does everything better than the M4. The recoil is negligible (I'm glad you brought the m4 into the equation because I've fired them extensively).
@antne07 More reliable (the m4 is very reliable, don't get me wrong, Saiga just slightly more so), reload times aren't even comparable, smaller barrel length options than a tube fed semi-auto, recoil is just as easily managed in my opinion (especially with muzzle brakes), larger ammo capacity, and for many users the rifled design is more familiar.
I've never stripped an M4 so I can't comment on that. I've shot every popular semi-auto shotgun and there is a reason I keep a saiga in the house.
@antne07 The M4 is also heavy as sin. The only reasons I can think that the marines went for it is because it can handle a lot of heavy attachments and still cycle easily, which of course was a big issue with the inertia based M3 previously. None of this represents a problem with the saiga.
The only times I've personally seen a Saiga have issues with cycling were with self-loaded ammo. I will admit I did a little research and low brass seems to represent a problem, although I've never had one.
he said the barrel length was long enough for civilian ownership, but i'm not sure if that fourteen round cap will fly in cali. i remember being told back when i started buying in oh five, that tube magazines were exempt from the high cap ban. but i'm not positive. need to confirm i needs me one of them.
@Kennethstupi Watch shooting reviews. It's supposed to have almost no muzzle rise and gets a pretty universally good reception. Its compact size should make it handle well, too.
@timg555 Not at all. I think the Kel-Tec guns look sweet. Just some info for anyone who might find it interesting. Also to avoid anyone being confused, I was talking about the RFB's above-the-barrel ejection chute, not the whole design in general. Happy shooting
ho told the government that they had any say in the first place.get rid of the interstate commerce clause and all thouse who used it comunisticly.these people are not americans .they have acted in a manner unbecoming of an american that is they acted unconstitutionaly. if you deminish one right you diminish all.the constitution of the united states limit government not the people
Kel-tec is one of the most original firearms makers out there. Almost all of their designs break the mold. I just wish they would put a little more into effort into quality. Until they raise their quality level I will never buy a Kel-tec.
I doubt the game warden would be too proud to see you with this in a duck blind but then the Second Amendment doesn't guarantee our Right to firearms only suitable for hunting & target practice. The only thing hunting has in common with the Second Amendment is that it's good practice against the day we have to fight for our Freedom again.Let's hope that day NEVER comes.
wow im blown away this thing looks like its practical specialy for thae fact that you can have 14 rounds in a dual magazine configuration....amazing i need toi shot one and then get one period!!
hot damn, that dual tube design is genius, if kel tec made a model of th ksg to accomodat 3 inch shells, that gun would be just a bit more amazing than this one
The only thing that sucks is the BATF, thats the Burn All Todlers First , plans on banning all high capacity shotguns. That includes the Kel-Tech and the Saiga. The say that " there is no sporting purpose" for them. Thats funny, I didn't see "sporting purpose" anywhere in the second ammendment. And the NRA isn't helping us, their actually for the high cap bann. To find the NRA spokesperson stating this hipocracy, please search : " NRA Piss on the Second Ammendment " on YouTube.
@alielbaryeshua ...so whats the point of them making this shotgun if they are gona ban it!?...maybe they will only make it legal for military/law enforcement?...that sucks!!!...i need this gun for when the Zombie Apocalypse happens!...
@SteveSabbai Well, the BATFE plans on classifying these weapons as WMDs. They intend to include this ban on all large magazine shotguns. I have tried to post a link to the "NRA Piss on the Second Ammendment" youtube video, but it keeps stating "error". It does the same when I post a link to our patriot website. The BATFE mission is to make sure that, if the US Army needs to force martial law in america, that citizens will not have good enough weaponry to put up an effective resistance.
@insanezy But they're fighting to outlaw 30 round mags for rifles, 15+ round mags for pistols, and any shotgun with a mag more than 4 shells. The point is to strike fear into the hearts and minds of citizens that are pro-gun.I am fire team leader for a militia squad out of Waco, Texas. I know the hidden story behind the ATF massacre of men. women, and children over two legally owned AKs. In court it was later found that ATF shot at anything that moved and torched the place with the kids stillin
@alielbaryeshua so anything purchased before the ban on those things would still be legal and even if they did ban all that crap well than people would just start making H.E. shells then
@insanezy The thing is, the BATF is so serious aboout this, that all of the companies that were importing Saigas and other mil-spec shotguns have stoped shipments and halted all foriegn importing. Just in case you dont know, AK's, Saiga shotguns, and other foriegn weapons come into this country through these companies. These companies then modify them to be semi-auto to make them legal to sell to civilians. BATF plans to stop all High Capacity magazined weapons for the average citizen.
@alielbaryeshua Is that not unconstitutional? Why are they going to stop selling guns like the AK's or Saigas I think thats BS. Citizens should be able to buy any gun they please even full auto ones without special permits like the class 3. They should just be submitted to a bit more extensive background check. What is wrong with these people, shit! I live in california and I hate its gun laws!
The BATF and the Govt should stop being so dam nosey and go mind there own dam shit!!
@pancho0022 Im with you buddy california sucks, we have more anti gun legislation than any state and are still leading in gun crime obviously the laws arent working. give the civilians the option to own what they want instead of taking everything away and leaving us defensless to criminals with ak's and ar's
@pancho0022 fucking redneck are you retarded? Selling guns like AKs (which penetrate armor) can only lead to better organized crime. The point of having a gun is to protect yourself, you can protect yourself easilly with a handgun
@MrSemmes1 Lol Im not a redneck! not even close hahaha. There is organized crime and they have guns like ak's and other high powered rifles. If you have them too then you have something to protect yourself with as well and you wont be left out gunned.
What if Im a determined criminal with nothing to loose and I come with a full auto ak with 5, 100 round mags to rob a bank. You are outside and all you got is your 9mm and 2, 15 round mags are you gonna go inside the bank and try to stop me?
Lead to "better" organized crime? Organized crime groups (even low level street gangs) ALREADY have weapons like those -- even in places where those weapons are illegal. If you have enough money, you can almost get your hands on anything you want. For a street gang that makes its money selling drugs, a few thousand dollars is nothing. For organized crime, it may as well be pennies.
@NoCutCard612 Just makes it harder for legitimate people to own firearms.
Basically if America would take care of it's poverty levels, which should be pretty easier considering we're the richest country in the world (how about take all the employment back from 3rd world countries?), then we probably wouldn't have the crime problem.
But no. Let's keep all those fat old white guys rich and let them keep sending our kids to war so they can keep making more money.
I try to tell people that gun control laws mean nothing to people care nothing about the law, which means these laws are useless. They just can't seem to get it. They seem to think that if more laws are passed, the "bad guys" will suddenly find themselves in a bind when it comes to acquiring weapons.
The key to the drug related crime problem is to simply end the war on drugs" which has proven itself ineffective in keeping drugs off the street.
@NoCutCard612 Well look at alcohol. During prohibition, people were drinking MORE. If there's a logical legal way to acquire alcohol, people likely choose that way because they don't want to get arrested. If you make it completely illegal for everyone it makes it socially acceptable to bootleg.
I'm definitely not against required gun education classes to own firearms and what not. Our government always just tries to put out fires instead of taking away the fuel, unfortunately.
@MrSemmes1 A .22 Magnum will penetrate police body armor. It's really only good for slow handgun rounds. And an AK fires 7.62 or 5.45 ammo - intermediate power. High power is something like .30-06 or 7mm Mag.
@MrSemmes1 Do you know why Norinco firearms were banned in the US...Because three Norinco representatives tried to sell full auto type 56's illegally to undercover agents. I guarantee you that they and probably a few other major company's are still selling brand new autos to gangbangers, only now they just make those sales 10 minutes across the border.
Law abiding citizens are the only ones who CAN'T get full autos because laws only apply to those who choose to follow them.
@carter050591 "Law abiding citizens are the only ones who CAN'T get full autos because laws only apply to those who choose to follow them." Now if only every anti gun idiot would understand that!!!
It's like the Halo shotgun!!!!
NicoNyon 3 days ago
i hope this shotgun will only be available for law enforcement.
god604 1 month ago
@god604 First why. second did you not hear him say it was civ legal.
swatcapt11 4 weeks ago
@god604 why? lol its uk legal it'll be us civie legal
TheAlexagius 1 week ago
atleast extended mags glitches dont exist in real life...
supermario863 1 month ago
Only $880 dollars I was thinking it was gonna cost around $2,000
CrutialProductions 1 month ago
Dear Santa
xbox3shity 1 month ago
AIRSOFT VERSION PLZ
jacker372 1 month ago
@jacker372 The problem is that shotguns are still a pain in the ass when it comes to airsoft. A brand would have to chose to use gas shells to actually take advantage of the dual tube. And we all know the issues with gas shells... It would be either proprietary, or use shells from other brand. And you would need something to catch the shells or pick them up from the ground after the game.
bf2lover42 1 month ago
@bf2lover42 well instead of haveing it made to hold 15 shell it should hold 2 and then when you run out of ammo with one you have the other you can switch to that way you can reload but still have the ability to shoot
jacker372 1 month ago
@jacker372 "A brand would have to chose to use gas shells to actually take advantage of the dual tube."
Unless it's a gas shotgun, there is no point in the double tube. If it is not made to hold 15 shells it's just a bunch of extra plastic.
bf2lover42 1 month ago
@bf2lover42 yea but its still a cool looking piece of plastic
jacker372 1 month ago
@jacker372 if your problem is looks, then get some tools and epoxy glue and chop two shotguns to make them look like this.
Because looks don't win airsoft games. Looks only matter if you actually took the time and used your skill to build it.
bf2lover42 1 month ago
@jacker372 no
swatcapt11 4 weeks ago
Not the time to buy it...not now.The "dead trigger" issue when cycling quickly should have been corrected before LE had to tell them "get it right" and ship the first batch back to the factory.Yeah...it has been fixed...but for how many days of use?? Never buy a Gen1 gun when the company wants to public to get the "field bugs" out for them.The gun is Trekkie but too pricey for the name it carries.Get a couple MB 500 and spend the rest on amo,strobe lite,etc.It's a better play...imho.Good luck
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spiritgifted 1 month ago
sick!
Fourteen88SoCal 2 months ago
dual tube mags like the neostead right?
MISOFdsraceteam 2 months ago
i am new on shot guns but some one can tell me whats means (7+7+1)
lordjor82 2 months ago
@lordjor82 means 2 tubes 7 rounds in each and 1 in the chamber
WormyGames 2 months ago
@lordjor82 7 shells in one tube 7 shells in the other and shell in the chamber
swatcapt11 4 weeks ago
Awesome gun. Not sure if I'd want to spend $900 on a shotgun though...
tomjjackson21 3 months ago
@tomjjackson21 Yeah, I agree, almost $900 is pretty steep for what you're getting. Granted you get high capacity, but you could purchase three (3) Mossberg 500 Persuaders for that money.
BassmanSW 2 months ago
.altho they could still later re-classify the gun as "destructive device",thus requiring class 3 license..tis what they did back when with the street sweeper 12 gauges ...and then want to take them back off of folks who bought them legally..
RLGBABY 3 months ago
@RLGBABY First you done need a class III license to own NFA weapons. Next they cant just recalssify it as it does not meet the requierments for a shot barrel shotgun. mag size has not a thing do with it being NFA. The reason the streetsweeper was banned was becasue it was an import and the ATF found it to have no sporting value
swatcapt11 4 weeks ago
@swatcapt11 But they could reclassify it as a Destructive Device just as they did with the Street Sweeper shotgun. It was originally a title 1 weapon until the ATF reclassified it causing it to be registered with the NFA Act. PS the Street Sweeper was made by Cobray in North Dakota in the US.
Lord666Belial 1 week ago
He said legal..it certainly is legal at this point,and barrel length of 18 and 1/2 inches is minimal length allowed for civilian use-anything less is considered a "sawed off shotgun" if in civilian posession.I dont doubt it will get banned fairly quickly,but it will require either new legislation or the re-enacting of Klinton's assault weapon ban..Get em while you can,I say..
RLGBABY 3 months ago
@RLGBABY the shortess is 18 in most place sell 18.5 just to be safe though
swatcapt11 4 weeks ago
did he say legal or illegal
nickbraido64 3 months ago
mw3
DutchPs3Gamers 3 months ago
do you know if theyre will be one available with a longer barrel and magazine tubes because its so short and someone of my size that quite awkward and id like to have one because overall its an extremely nice shotgun, nice vid to?
MaDaPPleFILMS 3 months ago
do you know if theyre will be one available with a longer barrel and magazine tubes because its so short and someone of my size that quite awkward and id like to have one because overall its an extremely nice shotgun, nice vid to.
MaDaPPleFILMS 3 months ago
It needs to be semiauto!
assman10x 3 months ago
why do you need 15 shells??!!! i have a O/o shotgun (2 shells) thats enough O.o
dopefish93 4 months ago
No he said it's an 8 inch barrel so it's legal
SuperJar26 4 months ago
@SuperJar26 its an 18.5 barrel
swatcapt11 4 weeks ago
WO WO WO!! HE SAID SOMETHING ABOUT IT BEING ILLEGAL. what was it?
Hollyclown 4 months ago
I wish the barrel stuck out like 4 or 5 inches in the front. I don't like that flat tip look. And this should be priced at 600.
13098519 4 months ago
A person looking for a shotgun isn't looking for an AR-15, now are they? So the pricing is irrelevant. And where are these regular pump shotgun that have 15 rounds? Exactly. You've never owned a Kel-Tec and clearly don't know jack shit about them, but nonetheless search for anything with Kel-Tec in the title here on Youtube to spout misinformation. But pointing this out is none of my business...
TJ347 5 months ago
does it come in 20guage?
dasdew2 5 months ago
This is so innovative.
5687678 5 months ago
lol thats sweet
nick221899 6 months ago
Kel-tec is crap, 744.99 for a peice of plastic??? they are charging you about the same price as a AR-15, and about 3 times as much for a regular pump shotgun that will do the same trick! but thats none of my business, obviously.
stangsaleens7 6 months ago
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TJ347 5 months ago
@TJ347 if you need 15 rounds with a shotgun to kill somebody then you are obviously doing something wrong, because its really hard to miss with a shotgun, at close range.
stangsaleens7 5 months ago
@stangsaleens7 It's not about need, it's about want. If someone wants a 15 round shotgun, this joins a very small list of such shotguns. May I suggest you take your know-it-all act to a VPC video where your comments will be appreciated, as I'm sure neither those who posted this vid nor people who have factual knowledge of Kel-Tec products or firearms in general appreciate your act.
TJ347 5 months ago
@stangsaleens7 well what if you need to kill 15 different people? just saying, I love the design and I think i'll get one
brianmenendez 4 months ago
@brianmenendez dont get me wrong, the idea is great. But the price, and company that makes them, just turns me away. Kel-tec is a low end gun company, and for 744.99 i could get 2 shotguns for that price. the likely hood of you having to kill 15 people for defense, is very unlikely unless your a serial killer.
stangsaleens7 4 months ago
@stangsaleens7 Kel-tec is actually a very good gun company and makes a lot of great products. The PF-9, just as an example, is one of the best guns for concealed carry, in my opinion, easily on par with Kahr. Granted I do agree on the price issue, 750 is pretty extreme. For 500 or 550 I'd think about it, but even then a Remington 870 is still only about 350. But I guess if it's something someone's really in to, it'd be worth the extra cost.
brqde1319 4 months ago
26.1 inch length....illegal is less than 26 inch. that was close
scottymcphat 6 months ago
I want one : )
deadmanwalking807 7 months ago
I just ordered mine cost me $744.99 good luck finding one in stock, Kel-tec's a small company.
AFewGoodPuppets 7 months ago
Its coming out they say in the third quarter meaning around mid to late september. I think the fail issue is pre-production and i think the gun will rock when it hits the streets.
mzondi1970 7 months ago 6
@mzondi1970: I hope it doesn't hit the streets, it might get broken and I want it to live forever! lol
PooPoo2U 4 months ago
whens this thing comeing out
thebtrlife 7 months ago
i want that so bad
TheSniper6000 7 months ago
@TheSniper6000 wanta bet it will be sold out like 99.99% of kel-tec's most popular items ....you have to wait another 3 years to get one used if ya can find it at a gun show lol
gasdorf 5 months ago
@gasdorf man i was so excided
TheSniper6000 5 months ago
looks like a freakin space gun
BlueCollarSurvival 7 months ago
Already has been done, the UTS-15.
airsoftlamblover 7 months ago
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please see the video title " Kel Tec KSG Shotgun fail "
papaburger 7 months ago
@papaburger That problem has been fixed for months now. See Kel-Tec's video on the Kel-Tec web site about the fix.
2brothersadventures 7 months ago 27
the magazine switching is slow . .
papaburger 7 months ago
@papaburger Tha mag switching is slow but just a tiny bit faster than loading another 7 rounds.
possumpopper89 7 months ago
@possumpopper89 downside is, it takes twice as long to reload when completely empty. ;-) lol
Chariotz5 5 months ago
out of all shotguns including AA12, I like this one more
wered431 8 months ago
I NEED ONE!!!! NOW!!!
hmj8786 8 months ago
just make it recoil operated automatic shot gun
lamestbiokinectic 8 months ago
@lamestbiokinectic this makes the gun less powerful, I prefer pump
cfrase357 7 months ago
i love it ,i wont see it in calif.shtf
bummercal 8 months ago
saving cash to get this beautiful shotgun :D
doomhunt1 8 months ago
i wish it was semi auto
hag12100 8 months ago
I NEED THAT !
ronmagicone 8 months ago
lol you can ahve a shotgun with less than 18inch barrel its just an sbs so it'd still be civilian legal
TheAlexagius 9 months ago
@TheAlexagius Actually you would have to pay a $200 tax in order for it to be legal....then yes, it would be legal to have a short barrel shotgun..same for a rifle. This is one reason the Taurus Judge has grooving; not just to shoot .45 long colts but also to get past the sbs law.
quik7806 8 months ago
keltec if your listening...make it cheaper than the saiga 12 offer backstraps for the grip make a 3"chamber longer model with the same capacity maybe a phosphate finish and internals just suggestions im buying one anyway and praying i never have to shoot someone that nasty thing in a court room garrantee's sum jailtime
mwjenkinz69 9 months ago
make it double barral
thegafe555 9 months ago
Im not into guns or video games but thats the coolest shotgun ever :D
giggle2154 9 months ago
we are going to need this when the chimps rise and try to take over....
Popsicle22754 9 months ago
MW3 kids, are you here too?
Can it be?
fonkymaster 9 months ago
when you hear 0:14 this sound, you´re allowed to run away :D
Morty562 9 months ago
So, I hope Obama likes slugs!!
schp101 9 months ago
Dear Santa....
357223308 9 months ago
" guns don't kill people, i do."
rukus100821 9 months ago
damn... imagine how badass this thing would be akimbo! but then again they would need to make it semi auto cus obviously u cant pump it if ur carrying another gun.
SantoryuWazamono 9 months ago
perfect for the zombie apocalypse.
KC93SE 9 months ago
UTAS UTS-15 TACTICAL SHOTGUN is the BEST (15+1) WATCH its VİDEO
mrhopeful73 9 months ago
Know what im saving for! thats awesome
RoninHale 9 months ago
Slug to shot wouldn't be as likely to be used as lethal to non-lethal, I would love to be able to keep 7 beanbags in one side just so I dont have to kill somebody to defend if I choose not to. Awesome innovation.
jackpot5283 10 months ago
@jackpot5283 The irony is if you decided to use the beanbags in self-defense you'd be likely up for attempted murder, whereas if you had just killed the assailaint outright with the shot or slug it'd be much easier to prove it was self defense.
Most states have retreating laws, which state that if you have any opportunity to disable your assailant it also means you had time to run away and avoid conflict, whereas using lethal force indicates it was the absolute last resort. Fucked up laws.
cyberslick18 9 months ago
@cyberslick18 Fortunately my state has CCW and Castle Doctrine (which a majority of states use, many of which just adopted it) which states as long as you are in your property or a family members property, you have no duty to retreat. Some states have criminal protection laws that make lethal defense illegal, I'm not positive what effect a less-lethal round would have since legal terminology is literal more often than not. Additionally many CCW courses teach to shoot to kill for multiple reasons
jackpot5283 9 months ago
@jackpot5283 37 states have one form or another of Castle Doctrine. Be careful of TV and movies as many of them spew brady campaign propoganda so people think there are more gun laws than there actually are. Gun registration for example, movies and TV like to talk about registered firearms because it fills the storyline well. Many states do not keep gun registries and there is no federal registry. ( I don't think you necessarily get your info from TV but many people do.
jackpot5283 9 months ago
@jackpot5283 I understand what you mean, but unfortunately I know the laws in my county and state all too well, I had a break in when i was sleeping over at a friends place, and between talking to the police investigator and doing my own research, I got a wake up call as to what actually happens legally when that occurs.
An interesting fact I learn was that even though .223 penetrates considerably more than most shot, it's much less lethal overall due to impact fragmentation. I'm using #4 atm
cyberslick18 9 months ago
@cyberslick18 If you live in the city/suburbs and prefer the rifle I suggest looking into Varmint Grenades and other frangible ammunition for the long gun, when it hits something it shatters into powder depositing 100% of the kinetic energy into the target or wall. It was developed to make it safe for police/military to enter multiple points without shooting through walls and hitting each other. Plus the ballistic results on tissue are devastating .And the Varmint grenades are known for accuracy
jackpot5283 9 months ago
@cyberslick18 Also for home defense I recommend #4 or #2 shot High Brass 2 3/4" or 3" Magnum. Anything smaller and it lacks critical penetration (not saying it won't disable an attacker but there are certain ballistic characteristics that can make a round inneffective) and anything bigger than #2 shot increases your odds of overpenetration and puts other household members or neighbors at risk of becoming collateral damage.
jackpot5283 9 months ago
Αυτο σημαινει Ισχυς πυρος μακαρι να μπορουσαμε να την αγορασουμε και στην Ελλαδα
mitsos361 10 months ago
Αυτο σημαινει Ισχυς πυρος μακαρι να μπορουσαμε να την αγορασουμε και στην Ελλαδα
mitsos361 10 months ago
Ok, so they have two separate tubes with 7 rounds each. I would've preferred a single 15 round clip.
iLikeToitools 10 months ago
@iLikeToitools would you prefer a really long shotgun to?
DandaNgsan 10 months ago
@iLikeToitools are you aware of how physics work? a 15 round 12 guage "clip" would be huge and bulky the tubular method is a proven effective magazine style for a shotgun
footbalr074 10 months ago
@footbalr074 Like the one that's been used on the much more effective Saiga 12 since the cold war? The drum magazine is a far more reliable design than the dual tube system.
And yes, as a PE, I am very aware of how physics works. I am also aware that the more complex the design, the more likely it is that something will go wrong.
iLikeToitools 10 months ago
@iLikeToitools Ha did you learn everything you know about firearms from cod, theres more to a gun then how many shells its "clip" holds and how uber badass and reliable an ak style weapon is. A drum maganze or a 15 single stacked mazine is clumsy and blulky. A Saiga is a proven fire arm but it pales in comparsion to the reputation of the Remington, Mossberg, Ithacas, Bennellis, Winchesters and many more who all use tube style magazines. I would trust my life to firearms from those manufactures
footbalr074 10 months ago
@iLikeToitools rather then a keltec shotgun or Saiga. I've never fired a keltec or saiga shotgun, but i would bet this keltec is more relaible with a wider amount of loads then a Saiga shotgun assuming it was shot by a competant shooter but I wouldn't say that would be due to the magazine but rather the action. And you missed the whole point of bulk, and its a shotgun is 15 rounds needed? no is it nice? yes. Do you know whats even nicer? the ability to switch between slugs and shot
footbalr074 10 months ago
@footbalr074 You would trust your life to an Ithaca, Benelli or Kel-Tec. You are one brave, brave man(or woman). You do realize that the entire creation of the Saiga 12 was to replace tubed semi-automatic shotguns because they were notoriously UNRELIABLE right? Most of the shotguns you are referencing are pumps, a completely different ballgame (pumps aren't used anywhere outside of the occasional police force or as a "show" sidearm).
There is also almost no military application requiring slugs.
cyberslick18 10 months ago
@footbalr074 Keltecs are also notoriously unreliable as a company. These advanced designs look great, very rarely function well. They are a solution to a problem no one had.
Simply put, the saiga-12 is without a doubt the worlds most reliable, combat proven semi-automatic shotgun. It doesn't jam, it can fire wet and dirty, it's not picky as to what kind of brass you run through it (can't say that about mossberg and benelli). A stacked 12 round mag is no more clumsy than any on a rifle.
cyberslick18 10 months ago
@cyberslick18 I can't comment on Keltecs I've never owned one Where has the Saiga-12 seen combat ? Georgia is the only place I can think of. But this shotgun does indeed solve the problem about quickly changing from slug to shot.
I would defiantly doubt the Saiga-12 the most reliable semi-auto shotgun, but either way it is not as reliable as many pump action shotguns out there. And Saigas are notorius for not feeding low brass.
footbalr074 10 months ago
@cyberslick18 I've your talking about mossberg semi-auto shotguns not feeding everything you put in it then I wouldn't know but I've seen abused pump mossbergs fire everything you throw through it. I've also seen semi-auto benellis do the same.
If its home defense I would reach for my pump action because I know it will feed anything i put in it as long as I do my part
If your in the military and always have high brass I would want a rifle with my shotgun, and I wouldnt mind as much
footbalr074 10 months ago
@footbalr074 Any pump shottie will be reliable, I'm talking exclusively about semi-auto shotguns with a military / police purpose, not sporting guns like most Benelli's. The saiga 12 has been used extensivly by Spetnaz since 1992 and a decent number of russian police sqauds. It's slowly being adopted in the us because it's the best semi automatic combat shotgun in existence when everything is taken into consideration.
I own two Saiga's and I've never had anything jam out of thousands of shells.
cyberslick18 10 months ago
@footbalr074 I was trying to be polite and counter your points, but you saying the saiga-12 is notorious for not feeding low brass is a downright lie. Look at the design, if there were any snags in the system it would literally be anywhere but the feeding and ejecting process. You can harp all you want about the AK design being over-hyped, it isn't. It's the most reliable design out there.
Like I said, there is no situation in military / police scenarios where you need both shot and slug.
cyberslick18 10 months ago
@cyberslick18 You havent looked at the Benelli M4 Which in my experience as a Marine is even more reliable. The only up side to the Saiga-12 is that its Magazine fed, which makes for quick reloading. But if you have to fire more than 2-3 12GA your probably in trouble. The ARGO system (auto Regulating Gas Operated) in the M4 makes it recoil like a 20GA (or less) with max effective range on 00Buck at 50 yrds.
antne07 10 months ago
@antne07 Why would the saiga have any problems firing more than 2-3 12ga? The benelli m4 is a great gun but its more prone to jamming than a Saiga, and the fact that its tube fed instantly negates it for anything other than an intimidating presence or a quick room clear for something like a SWAT operation. The saiga-12 simply does everything better than the M4. The recoil is negligible (I'm glad you brought the m4 into the equation because I've fired them extensively).
cyberslick18 10 months ago
@antne07 More reliable (the m4 is very reliable, don't get me wrong, Saiga just slightly more so), reload times aren't even comparable, smaller barrel length options than a tube fed semi-auto, recoil is just as easily managed in my opinion (especially with muzzle brakes), larger ammo capacity, and for many users the rifled design is more familiar.
I've never stripped an M4 so I can't comment on that. I've shot every popular semi-auto shotgun and there is a reason I keep a saiga in the house.
cyberslick18 10 months ago
@antne07 The M4 is also heavy as sin. The only reasons I can think that the marines went for it is because it can handle a lot of heavy attachments and still cycle easily, which of course was a big issue with the inertia based M3 previously. None of this represents a problem with the saiga.
The only times I've personally seen a Saiga have issues with cycling were with self-loaded ammo. I will admit I did a little research and low brass seems to represent a problem, although I've never had one.
cyberslick18 10 months ago
@cyberslick18 its apparently really easy to tweek the gas system so that it'll cycle low brass stuff
Tricksalot 9 months ago
he said the barrel length was long enough for civilian ownership, but i'm not sure if that fourteen round cap will fly in cali. i remember being told back when i started buying in oh five, that tube magazines were exempt from the high cap ban. but i'm not positive. need to confirm i needs me one of them.
greatgaztherat 10 months ago
he said the barrel length was long enough for civilian ownership.
greatgaztherat 10 months ago
Two questions:
GIMMIE GIMMIE GIMMIE I WANT I NEED!
boardfu 10 months ago
i couldnt under stand if he said if it was legal or inlegal to own is it legal to own or not please let me know cause i want one
kymtnrebel 10 months ago
@kymtnrebel Yes, its is legal It has a full 18.6 inch barrel, its just a bull-pup design.
ComradeCoD 10 months ago
@kymtnrebel Should be legal, barrel length is still 18 inches and the gun is still 26 inches over all. At least going by what the dude said.
MorteWulfe 10 months ago
Dear Santa...
IgnitingTheSnowflake 10 months ago
Zombie apocalypse shotgun FTW !
VioletMauve 10 months ago
i know it looks sweet but does anyone know how it handles? because it looks like it handles well but you cant realy tell
Kennethstupi 10 months ago
@Kennethstupi Watch shooting reviews. It's supposed to have almost no muzzle rise and gets a pretty universally good reception. Its compact size should make it handle well, too.
TehRacooonODoom 10 months ago
When the zombie apocalypse happens, this is what I want.
jakeisfantastic 11 months ago
Im pretty sure inspired by the NS2000.
kop4321 11 months ago
Anyone ever hear of the Neostead Shotgun? Yeah, the KSG is not so original.
Also, Anyone ever hear of the TKB-022? Yeah, the RFB is not so original.
OvoJeGovno 11 months ago
@OvoJeGovno umad
timg555 11 months ago
@timg555 Not at all. I think the Kel-Tec guns look sweet. Just some info for anyone who might find it interesting. Also to avoid anyone being confused, I was talking about the RFB's above-the-barrel ejection chute, not the whole design in general. Happy shooting
OvoJeGovno 11 months ago
waaaaaa i want one tooo
xxMerc1988xx 11 months ago
ho told the government that they had any say in the first place.get rid of the interstate commerce clause and all thouse who used it comunisticly.these people are not americans .they have acted in a manner unbecoming of an american that is they acted unconstitutionaly. if you deminish one right you diminish all.the constitution of the united states limit government not the people
MrDaleaaaa 11 months ago
This is how to better the economy. Build cool guns like this. Many people will go looking for a job now. Just so they can buy one.
ylism 11 months ago
That is awsome I really really want one or two.
MrBill297 11 months ago
Kel-tec is one of the most original firearms makers out there. Almost all of their designs break the mold. I just wish they would put a little more into effort into quality. Until they raise their quality level I will never buy a Kel-tec.
RWT683 11 months ago
I doubt the game warden would be too proud to see you with this in a duck blind but then the Second Amendment doesn't guarantee our Right to firearms only suitable for hunting & target practice. The only thing hunting has in common with the Second Amendment is that it's good practice against the day we have to fight for our Freedom again.Let's hope that day NEVER comes.
doughesson 11 months ago
I think we just witnessed the pinnacle of human achievement.
Ethor07 11 months ago 23
@Ethor07 it is not . Search on youtube for " Kel Tec KSG Shotgun fail ".
papaburger 7 months ago
wow im blown away this thing looks like its practical specialy for thae fact that you can have 14 rounds in a dual magazine configuration....amazing i need toi shot one and then get one period!!
usingtheforce47 1 year ago
hot damn, that dual tube design is genius, if kel tec made a model of th ksg to accomodat 3 inch shells, that gun would be just a bit more amazing than this one
colinmoriarty 1 year ago
got to have one!!!
arturo5472 1 year ago 2
I'm pre-ordering two, as I expect them to be banned in the near future. Best price so far $676.
angurisloud 1 year ago
best shotgun ever??
ninja6kid 1 year ago
...they should rename this to the "Zombie Killer"...
SteveSabbai 1 year ago
After everyone goes out and buys the goddamn pump action watch late next year they release and auto version...
talisman9000 1 year ago
@talisman9000 I prefer pump shotguns to auto loading shotguns. They are alot more reliable especially with different loads.
Antiworld23 1 year ago
That is going to be on my list this year. I can't wait to own one.
txmetalcobra 1 year ago
The only thing that sucks is the BATF, thats the Burn All Todlers First , plans on banning all high capacity shotguns. That includes the Kel-Tech and the Saiga. The say that " there is no sporting purpose" for them. Thats funny, I didn't see "sporting purpose" anywhere in the second ammendment. And the NRA isn't helping us, their actually for the high cap bann. To find the NRA spokesperson stating this hipocracy, please search : " NRA Piss on the Second Ammendment " on YouTube.
alielbaryeshua 1 year ago
@alielbaryeshua ...so whats the point of them making this shotgun if they are gona ban it!?...maybe they will only make it legal for military/law enforcement?...that sucks!!!...i need this gun for when the Zombie Apocalypse happens!...
SteveSabbai 1 year ago
@SteveSabbai Well, the BATFE plans on classifying these weapons as WMDs. They intend to include this ban on all large magazine shotguns. I have tried to post a link to the "NRA Piss on the Second Ammendment" youtube video, but it keeps stating "error". It does the same when I post a link to our patriot website. The BATFE mission is to make sure that, if the US Army needs to force martial law in america, that citizens will not have good enough weaponry to put up an effective resistance.
alielbaryeshua 1 year ago
@alielbaryeshua to late for the not have good enough weapons to put up an effective resistance thing pretty much 75% of Americans have guns i think
insanezy 1 year ago
@insanezy But they're fighting to outlaw 30 round mags for rifles, 15+ round mags for pistols, and any shotgun with a mag more than 4 shells. The point is to strike fear into the hearts and minds of citizens that are pro-gun.I am fire team leader for a militia squad out of Waco, Texas. I know the hidden story behind the ATF massacre of men. women, and children over two legally owned AKs. In court it was later found that ATF shot at anything that moved and torched the place with the kids stillin
alielbaryeshua 1 year ago
@alielbaryeshua so anything purchased before the ban on those things would still be legal and even if they did ban all that crap well than people would just start making H.E. shells then
insanezy 1 year ago
@insanezy The thing is, the BATF is so serious aboout this, that all of the companies that were importing Saigas and other mil-spec shotguns have stoped shipments and halted all foriegn importing. Just in case you dont know, AK's, Saiga shotguns, and other foriegn weapons come into this country through these companies. These companies then modify them to be semi-auto to make them legal to sell to civilians. BATF plans to stop all High Capacity magazined weapons for the average citizen.
alielbaryeshua 1 year ago
@alielbaryeshua and there are certain states that have companies that still import weapons like saigas and ak's
insanezy 1 year ago
@alielbaryeshua Is that not unconstitutional? Why are they going to stop selling guns like the AK's or Saigas I think thats BS. Citizens should be able to buy any gun they please even full auto ones without special permits like the class 3. They should just be submitted to a bit more extensive background check. What is wrong with these people, shit! I live in california and I hate its gun laws!
The BATF and the Govt should stop being so dam nosey and go mind there own dam shit!!
pancho0022 1 year ago 60
@pancho0022 amen
ELITEHAMSTER123 1 year ago
@pancho0022 Im with you buddy california sucks, we have more anti gun legislation than any state and are still leading in gun crime obviously the laws arent working. give the civilians the option to own what they want instead of taking everything away and leaving us defensless to criminals with ak's and ar's
skralogy 11 months ago
@pancho0022 fucking redneck are you retarded? Selling guns like AKs (which penetrate armor) can only lead to better organized crime. The point of having a gun is to protect yourself, you can protect yourself easilly with a handgun
MrSemmes1 11 months ago
@MrSemmes1 Lol Im not a redneck! not even close hahaha. There is organized crime and they have guns like ak's and other high powered rifles. If you have them too then you have something to protect yourself with as well and you wont be left out gunned.
What if Im a determined criminal with nothing to loose and I come with a full auto ak with 5, 100 round mags to rob a bank. You are outside and all you got is your 9mm and 2, 15 round mags are you gonna go inside the bank and try to stop me?
pancho0022 11 months ago
@pancho0022 hahahahaahahahahahahahaahahaaaaa
santalucas1 11 months ago
@santalucas1 lol
pancho0022 11 months ago
@MrSemmes1
Lead to "better" organized crime? Organized crime groups (even low level street gangs) ALREADY have weapons like those -- even in places where those weapons are illegal. If you have enough money, you can almost get your hands on anything you want. For a street gang that makes its money selling drugs, a few thousand dollars is nothing. For organized crime, it may as well be pennies.
NoCutCard612 11 months ago
@NoCutCard612 Just makes it harder for legitimate people to own firearms.
Basically if America would take care of it's poverty levels, which should be pretty easier considering we're the richest country in the world (how about take all the employment back from 3rd world countries?), then we probably wouldn't have the crime problem.
But no. Let's keep all those fat old white guys rich and let them keep sending our kids to war so they can keep making more money.
sk8tafrnk 11 months ago
@sk8tafrnk
I try to tell people that gun control laws mean nothing to people care nothing about the law, which means these laws are useless. They just can't seem to get it. They seem to think that if more laws are passed, the "bad guys" will suddenly find themselves in a bind when it comes to acquiring weapons.
The key to the drug related crime problem is to simply end the war on drugs" which has proven itself ineffective in keeping drugs off the street.
NoCutCard612 11 months ago
@NoCutCard612 Well look at alcohol. During prohibition, people were drinking MORE. If there's a logical legal way to acquire alcohol, people likely choose that way because they don't want to get arrested. If you make it completely illegal for everyone it makes it socially acceptable to bootleg.
I'm definitely not against required gun education classes to own firearms and what not. Our government always just tries to put out fires instead of taking away the fuel, unfortunately.
sk8tafrnk 11 months ago
@MrSemmes1 A .22 Magnum will penetrate police body armor. It's really only good for slow handgun rounds. And an AK fires 7.62 or 5.45 ammo - intermediate power. High power is something like .30-06 or 7mm Mag.
GARN3240 11 months ago
@GARN3240 That is bullshit and and old passed rumor. Level 2 body armor will stop ANY rimfire round.
SpartanCombativesGrp 11 months ago
@MrSemmes1 Do you know why Norinco firearms were banned in the US...Because three Norinco representatives tried to sell full auto type 56's illegally to undercover agents. I guarantee you that they and probably a few other major company's are still selling brand new autos to gangbangers, only now they just make those sales 10 minutes across the border.
Law abiding citizens are the only ones who CAN'T get full autos because laws only apply to those who choose to follow them.
carter050591 11 months ago
@carter050591 "Law abiding citizens are the only ones who CAN'T get full autos because laws only apply to those who choose to follow them." Now if only every anti gun idiot would understand that!!!
Ninety9Soulz 11 months ago
@pancho0022
Im proud that montana says fuck you to federal gun laws. nobody would take our guns!
shishiromura 11 months ago