HHO Dry Cell Testing #2

[HHO4gas]

Your cell looks a lot like the EBN cells and mine. I'm get mmw efficiency of 4 to 5.7 depending on the temperature. What is your cell like? I'm using 5N4 arrangement of 5 neutral plates and 4 cells. What is your spacing and what did you use for gaskets. PVC shower pan liner works well but EDPM does not. It is conductive and wastes power. What are you using for a power supply? A steady 12v from a battery will not perform as well as an alternator. Are you letting the cell warm up?

Bob

[vshart]

CAN YOU PLEASE FOLOW THE SAME NAME FOR YOUR VIDEOS BECOSE ITS REALLY HARD TO LOCAT THE NEXT ONE I.E. HHO Dry Cell Testing #1 #2#3 ETC. THANKS ALOT KIP UP THE GOOD WORK!!!

[delvis11]

can you tell me or give me the formula for getting mmw? this is what i was told volts x amps x 60sec. / 3600

is that correct?

thank you

[PeteDog444]

12.13volts x 18amps= 218 watts

500 mil liters divided by 19.7 seconds= 25.38liter/persecond x 60 seconds= 1522.8mil litter/per min.

1522.8 divided by 218 watts= 6.98 MMW(mil liters/min/watt)

[delvis11]

thanks alot.

can you also tell me how to calculate % of Efficiently.

[PeteDog444]

That is waaaay more complicated and waaaaay over my head but I did see a video that has a link to a an Excel file that can calculate Efficiency. If I can find the video I will post a the link later. It is nice to know how efficient your cell is. The first time I figure out mine I was shocked, %78.

[delvis11]

that is cool 78%. if you could find that link i would be grateful. i want to use it in the rest of my video's after i measure production.

[HHO4gas]

If your volume is 500ml here is a quick formula. (30,000/V/I/seconds)

30000/12.13/18/19.7=6.878mmw

[crazychickenhead]

After your suggestion about the conductivity of the pvc gaskets, I just ordered a sheet of 3/32" 60 durometer neoprene. I can't wait to see how this works out.

[captainwho1]

This will give 1.9 V per electrolytic gap, which is good. Reduce your plate area by 4.5 sq in. by painting (Corona Dope or epoxy ?) a square 1.5 by 1.5 around top and bottom holes. This should also help reduce the current leakage greatly (along with your slit tubes) while allowing maximum flow. Then just increase your electrolyte concentration so you get about 20.5 amps when fully warmed up. If you're exposed plate area is 20.5 sq in., this will give 4 sq in. per amp. I will try similar.

[PeteDog444]

I'm working on insulating the holes. I am curious to see how well Corona Dope or epoxy would work. If it works well please let me know and I will try it.

[captainwho1]

Will do. I'm trying to decide if I will build one like yours (I'd call it a Tero Renta series cell with flow through) or a series cell consisting of concentric tubes (kind of like a bob boyce only circular). Another way to insulate the holes and at the same time experiment with different plate areas would be to use a 3 layer sandwich design for the gaskets: 2 outer 0.5 mm, one inner 3 mm. The outers could be sealed bonded to plates and extend around holes.

[captainwho1]

petedog, first off thanks for sharing. I think your exposed plate area is about 36 sq in. minus gasket area for about 25 sq in. Correct ? Here's some thoughts. It seems your current density is very low. Bob Boyce says to shoot for 4 sq in. per amp or .25 amp per sq in.. Also I think your plate spacing should be more like 3 mm., 1/16 in. is pretty close. To keep it simple for car, design for 13.2 V for now. Wire it for 29 plates with 6 neutrals so will be 7 series cell paralleled 4times.

[hoosierinva]

Any trouble with overheating?

[PeteDog444]

As I tweak the cell for more efficiency it produces less heat. Most the heat comes from over driving the cell. I am looking into some way of cooling it for longer and higher voltages.

[ick5521]

Hi PeteDog this project is really good and you went to great detail to explain what you did. Thank you for the great information. 1 question pls. Why wouldn't you want to increase the voltage on ac side? That could give you several thousand volts or even several hundred? is there a better design for plates that would not cause an arc with that much voltage? I guess my thought is higher voltage = higher output and more current draw

[PeteDog444]

2.0 to 2.2 volts is the most efficient voltage between each plate. 2.2 volts X 31 cells = 82.2 volts. The first plate is a positive and one negative on the last plate and. The rest are all neutrals. I will use a 800watt inverter into a variac. Rectify the the AC 49 volts into 68 volts DC to dive the cell in my car.I have experimented with HVDC and it does not work better then what I'm using.

[SmartScarecrow]

your recent modifications seem to have worked ... your efficiency is improving ... suspect that there is another 1 mmw in there somewhere if you can squeeze it a little harder ...

great looking aparatus and good experimental procedures ...

[PeteDog444]

I recently tried using 35volts DC with one lead in the center and two positives on the ends. It produced 1.5 liter per/min with 294 watts in for 5.1MMW. There may still be some more efficiency still in it to ring out. Perhaps with a higher electrolyte concentration.